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Capitalism in an Apocalyptic Mood
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And panic there is. Even as it characterized Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke's deep cuts amounting to a 1.25 points off the prime rate in late January as a sign of panic, the Economist admitted that "there is no doubt that this is a frightening moment." The losses stemming from bad securities tied up with defaulted mortgage loans by "subprime" borrowers are now estimated to be in the range of about $400 billion. But as the Financial Times warned, "the big question is what else is out there" at a time that the global financial system "is wide open to a catastrophic failure." In the last few weeks, for instance, several Swiss, Japanese, and Korean banks have owned up to billions of dollars in subprime-related losses. The globalization of finance was, from the beginning, the cutting edge of the globalization process, and it was always an illusion to think that the subprime crisis could be confined to U.S. financial institutions, as some analysts had thought.
Some key movers and shakers sounded less panicky than resigned to some sort of apocalypse. At the global elite's annual week-long party at Davos in late January, George Soros sounded positively necrological, declaring to one and all that the world was witnessing "the end of an era." World Economic Forum host Klaus Schwab spoke of capitalism getting its just desserts, saying, "We have to pay for the sins of the past." He told the press, "It's not that the pendulum is now swinging back to Marxist socialism, but people are asking themselves, 'What are the boundaries of the capitalist system?' They think the market may not always be the best mechanism for providing solutions."
Ruined Reputations and Policy Failures
While some appear to have lost their nerve, others have seen the financial collapse diminish their stature.
As chairman of President Bush's Council of Economic Advisers in 2005, Ben Bernanke attributed the rise in U.S. housing prices to "strong economic fundamentals" instead of speculative activity. So is it any wonder why, as Federal Reserve chairman, he failed to anticipate the housing market's collapse stemming from the subprime mortgage crisis? His predecessor, Alan Greenspan, however, has suffered a bigger hit, moving from iconic status to villain in the eyes of some. They blame the bubble on his aggressively cutting the prime rate to get the United States out of recession in 2003 and restraining it at low levels for over a year. Others say he ignored warnings about aggressive and unscrupulous mortgage originators enticing "subprime" borrowers with mortgage deals they could never afford.
The scrutiny of Greenspan's record and the failure of Bernanke's rate cuts so far to reignite bank lending has raised serious doubts about the effectiveness of monetary policy in warding off a recession that is now seen as all but inevitable. Nor will fiscal policy or putting money into the hands of consumers do the trick, according to some weighty voices. The $156 billion stimulus package recently approved by the White House and Congress consists largely of tax rebates, and most of these, according to New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, will go to those who don't really need them. The tendency will thus be to save rather than spend the rebates in a period of uncertainty, defeating their purpose of stimulating the economy. The specter that now haunts the U.S. economy is Japan's experience of virtually zero annual growth and deflation despite a succession of stimulus packages after Tokyo's great housing bubble deflated in the late 1980s.
The Inevitable Bubble
Even with the finger-pointing in progress, many analysts remind us that if anything, the housing crisis should have been expected all along. The only question was when it would break. As progressive economist Dean Baker of the Center for Economic Policy Research noted in an analysis several years ago, "Like the stock bubble, the housing bubble will burst. Eventually, it must. When it does, the economy will be thrown into a severe recession, and tens of millions of homeowners, who never imagined that house prices could fall, likely will face serious hardship."
The subprime mortgage crisis was not a case of supply outrunning real demand. The "demand" was largely fabricated by speculative mania on the part of developers and financiers that wanted to make great profits from their access to foreign money that flooded the United States in the last decade. Big ticket mortgages were aggressively sold to millions who could not normally afford them by offering low "teaser" interest rates that would later be readjusted to jack up payments from the new homeowners. These assets were then "securitized" with other assets into complex derivative products called "collateralized debt obligations" (CDOs) by the mortgage originators working with different layers of middlemen who understated risk so as to offload them as quickly as possible to other banks and institutional investors. The shooting up of interest rates triggered a wave of defaults, and many of the big name banks and investors -- including Merrill Lynch, Citigroup, and Wells Fargo -- found themselves with billions of dollars worth of bad assets that had been given the green light by their risk assessment systems.
The Failure of Self-Regulation
The housing bubble is only the latest of some 100 financial crises that have swiftly followed one another ever since the lifting of Depression-era capital controls at the onset of the neoliberal era in the early 1980s. The calls now coming from some quarters for curbs on speculative capital have an air of deja vu. After the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997, in particular, there was a strong clamor for capital controls, for a "new global financial architecture." The more radical of these called for currency transactions taxes such as the famed Tobin Tax, which would have slowed down capital movements, or for the creation of some kind of global financial authority that would, among other things, regulate relations between northern creditors and indebted developing countries.
Global finance capital, however, resisted any return to state regulation. Nothing came of the proposals for Tobin taxes. The banks killed even a relatively weak "sovereign debt restructuring mechanism" akin to the U.S. Chapter Eleven to provide some maneuvering room to developing countries undergoing debt repayment problems, even though the proposal came from Ann Krueger, the conservative American deputy managing director of the IMF. Instead, finance capital promoted what came to be known as the Basel II process, described by political economist Robert Wade as steps toward global economic standardization that "maximize [global financial firms'] freedom of geographical and sectoral maneuver while setting collective constraints on their competitive strategies." The emphasis was on private sector self-surveillance and self-policing aimed at greater transparency of financial operations and new standards for capital. Despite the fact that it was finance capital from the industrialized countries that triggered the Asian crisis, the Basel process focused on making developing country financial institutions and processes transparent and standardized along the lines of what Wade calls the "Anglo-American" financial model.
Calls to regulate the proliferation of these new, sophisticated financial instruments, such as derivatives placed on the market by developed country financial institutions, went nowhere. Assessment and regulation of derivatives were left to market players who had access to sophisticated quantitative "risk assessment" models.
Focused on disciplining developing countries, the Basel II process accomplished so little in the way of self-regulation of global financial from the North that even Wall Street banker Robert Rubin, former secretary of treasury under President Clinton, warned in 2003 that "future financial crises are almost surely inevitable and could be even more severe."
As for risk assessment of derivatives such as the "collaterized debt obligations" (CDOs) and "structured investment vehicles" (SIVs) -- the cutting edge of what the Financial Times has described as "the vastly increased complexity of hyperfinance" -- the process collapsed almost completely. The most sophisticated quantitative risk models were left in the dust. The sellers of securities priced risk by one rule only: underestimate the real risk and pass it on to the suckers down the line. In the end, it was difficult to distinguish what was fraudulent, what was poor judgment, what was plain foolish, and what was out of anybody's control. "The U.S. subprime mortgage market was marked by poor underwriting standards and 'some fraudulent practices,'" as one report on the conclusions of a recent meeting of the Group of Seven's Financial Stability Forum put it. "Investors didn't carry out sufficient due diligence when they bought mortgage-backed securities. Banks and other firms managed their financial risks poorly and failed to disclose to the public the dangers on and off their balance sheets. Credit-rating companies did an inadequate job of evaluating the risk of complex securities. And the financial institutions compensated their employees in ways that encouraged excessive risk-taking and insufficient regard to long-term risks."
The Specter of Overproduction
It is not surprising that the G-7 report sounded very much like the post-mortems of the Asian financial crisis and the dot.com bubble. One financial corporation chief writing in the Financial Times captured the basic problem running through these speculative manias, perhaps unwittingly, when he claimed that "there has been an increasing disconnection between the real and financial economies in the past few years. The real economy has grown ... but nothing like that of the financial economy, which grew even more rapidly -- until it imploded." What his statement does not tell us is that the disconnect between the real and the financial is not accidental, that the financial economy expanded precisely to make up for the stagnation of the real economy.
The stagnation of the real economy stems is related to the condition of overproduction or over-accumulation that has plagued the international economy since the mid-1970s. Stemming from global productive capacity outstripping global demand as a result of deep inequalities, this condition has eroded profitability in the industrial sector. One escape route from this crisis has been "financialization," or the channeling of investment toward financial speculation, where greater profits could be had. This was, however, illusory in the long run since, unlike industry, speculative finance boiled down to an effort to squeeze out more "value" from already created value instead of creating new value.
The disconnect between the real economy and the virtual economy of finance was evident in the dot.com bubble of the 1990s. With profits in the real economy stagnating, the smart money flocked to the financial sector. The workings of this virtual economy were exemplified by the rapid rise in the stock values of Internet firms that, like Amazon.com, had yet to turn a profit. The dot.com phenomenon probably extended the boom of the 1990s by about two years. "Never before in U.S. history," Robert Brenner wrote, "had the stock market played such a direct, and decisive, role in financing non-financial corporations, thereby powering the growth of capital expenditures and in this way the real economy. Never before had a US economic expansion become so dependent upon the stock market's ascent." But the divergence between momentary financial indicators like stock prices and real values could only proceed to a point before reality bit back and enforced a "correction." And the correction came savagely in the dot.com collapse of 2002, which wiped out $7 trillion in investor wealth.
A long recession was avoided, but only because another bubble, the housing bubble, took the place of the dot.com bubble. Here, Greenspan played a key role by cutting the prime rate to a 45-year low of one percent in June 2003, holding it there for a year, then raising it only gradually, in quarter-percentage-increments. As Dean Baker put it, "an unprecedented run-up in the stock market propelled the U.S. economy in the late nineties and now an unprecedented run-up in house prices is propelling the current recovery."
The result was that real estate prices rose by 50 percent in real terms, with the run-ups, according to Baker, being close to 80 percent in the key bubble areas of the West Coast, the East Coast north of Washington, DC, and Florida. Baker estimates that the run-up in house prices "created more than $5 trillion in real estate wealth compared to a scenario where prices follow their normal trend growth path. The wealth effect from house prices is conventionally estimated at five cents to the dollar, which means that annual consumption is approximately $250 billion (2 percent of gross domestic product [GDP]) higher than it would be in the absence of the housing bubble."
The China Factor
The housing bubble fueled U.S. growth, which was exceptional given the stagnation that has gripped most of the global economy in the last few years. During this period, the global economy has been marked by underinvestment and persistent tendencies toward stagnation in most key economic regions apart from the United States, China, India, and a few other places. Weak growth has marked most other regions, notably Japan, which was locked until very recently into a one percent GDP growth rate, and Europe, which grew annually by 1.45 percent in the last few years.
With stagnation in most other areas, the United States has pulled in some 70 percent of all global capital flows. A great deal of this has come from China. Indeed, what marks this current bubble period is the role of China as a source not only of goods for the U.S. market but also capital for speculation. The relationship between the United States and Chinese economies is what I have characterized elsewhere as chain-gang economics. On the one hand, China's economic growth has increasingly depended on the ability of American consumers to continue their debt-financed spending spree to absorb much of the output of China's production. On the other hand, this relationship depends on a massive financial reality: the dependence of U.S. consumption on China's lending the U.S. Treasury and private sector dollars from the reserves it accumulated from its yawning trade surplus with the United States: one trillion dollars so far, according to some estimates. Indeed, a great deal of the tremendous sums China -- and other Asian countries -- lent to American institutions went to finance middle-class spending on housing and other goods and services, prolonging the fragile U.S. economic growth but only by raising consumer indebtedness to dangerous, record heights.
The China-U.S. coupling has had major consequences for the global economy. The massive new productive capacity by American and other foreign investors moving to China has aggravated the persistent problem of overcapacity and overproduction. One indicator of persistent stagnation in the real economy is the aggregate annual global growth rate, which averaged 1.4 percent in the 1980s and 1.1 percent in the 1990s, compared to 3.5 percent in the 1960s and 2.4 percent in the 1970s. Moving to China to take advantage of low wages may shore up profit rates in the short term. But as it adds to overcapacity in a world where a rise in global purchasing power is constrained by growing inequalities, such capital flight erodes profits in the long term. And indeed, the profit rate of the largest 500 U.S. transnational corporations fell drastically from 4.9 percent from 1954-59, to 2.04 percent from 1960-69, to -5.30 percent from 1989-89, to -2.64 percent from 1990-92, and to -1.92 percent from 2000-2002. Behind these figures, notes Philip O'Hara, was the specter of overproduction: "Oversupply of commodities and inadequate demand are the principal corporate anomalies inhibiting performance in the global economy."
The succession of speculative manias in the United States has had the function of absorbing investment that did not find profitable returns in the real economy and thus not only artificially propping up the U.S. economy but also "holding up the world economy," as one IMF document put it. Thus, with the bursting of the housing bubble and the seizing up of credit in almost the whole financial sector, the threat of a global downturn is very real.
Decoupling Chain-Gang Economics?
In this regard, talk about a process of "decoupling" regional economies, especially the Asian economic region, from the United States has been without substance. True, most of the other economies in East and Southeast Asia have been pulled along by the Chinese locomotive. In the case of Japan, for instance, a decade-long stagnation was broken in 2003 by the country's first sustained recovery, fueled by exports to slake China's thirst for capital and technology-intensive goods. Exports shot up by a record 44 percent, or $60 billion. Indeed, China became the main destination for Asia's exports, accounting for 31 percent while Japan's share dropped from 20 to 10 percent. As one account in the Strait Times in 2004 pointed out, "In country-by-country profiles, China is now the overwhelming driver of export growth in Taiwan and the Philippines, and the majority buyer of products from Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, and Australia."
However, as research by C.P. Chandrasekhar and Jayati Ghosh and has underlined, China is indeed importing intermediate goods and parts from these countries but only to put them together mainly for export as finished goods to the United States and Europe, not for its domestic market. Thus, "if demand for Chinese exports from the United States and the EU slow down, as will be likely with a U.S. recession, this will not only affect Chinese manufacturing production, but also Chinese demand for imports from these Asian developing countries." Perhaps the more accurate image is that of a chain gang linking not only China and the United States but a host of other satellite economies whose fates are all tied up with the now-deflating balloon of debt-financed middle-class spending in the United States.
New Bubbles to the Rescue?
Do not overestimate the resiliency of capitalism. After the collapse of the dot.com boom and the housing boom, a third line of defense against stagnation owing to overcapacity may yet emerge. For instance, the U.S. government might pull the economy out of the jaws of recession through military spending. And, indeed, the military economy did play a role in bringing the United States out of the 2002 recession, with defense spending in 2003 accounting for 14 percent of GDP growth while representing only 4 percent of the overall U.S. GDP. According to estimates cited by Chalmers Johnson, defense-related expenditures will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history in 2008.
Stimulus could also come from the related "disaster capitalism complex" so well studied by Naomi Klein: the "full fledged new economy in home land security, privatized war and disaster reconstruction tasked with nothing less than building and running a privatized security state both at home and abroad." Klein says that, in fact, "the economic stimulus of this sweeping initiative proved enough to pick up the slack where globalization and the dot.com booms had left off. Just as the Internet had launched the dot.-com bubble, 9/11 launched the disaster capitalism bubble." This subsidiary bubble to the real-estate bubble appears to have been relatively unharmed so far by the collapse of the latter.
It is not easy to track the sums circulating in the disaster capitalism complex. But one indication of the sums involved is that InVision, a General Electric affiliate producing high-tech bomb-detection devises used in airports and other public spaces, received an astounding $15 billion in Homeland Security contracts between 2001 and 2006.
Whether or not "military Keynesianism" and the disaster capitalism complex can in fact fill the role played by financial bubbles is open to question. To feed them, at least during the Republican administrations, has meant reducing social expenditures. A Dean Baker study cited by Johnson found that after an initial demand stimulus, by about the sixth year, the effect of increased military spending turns negative. After 10 years of increased defense spending, there would be 464,000 fewer jobs than in a scenario of lower defense spending.
A more important limit to military Keynesianism and disaster capitalism is that the military engagements to which they are bound to lead are likely to create quagmires such as Iraq and Afghanistan. And these disasters could trigger a backlash both abroad and at home. Such a backlash would eventually erode the legitimacy of these enterprises, reduce their access to tax dollars, and erode their viability as sources of economic expansion in a contracting economy.
Yes, global capitalism may be resilient. But it looks like its options are increasingly limited. The forces making for the long-term stagnation of the global capitalist economy are now too heavy to be easily shaken off by the economic equivalent of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Feb 25, 2008 12:55 AM
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I shall explain: what we are seeing is not the refutation of capitalism, but the self-destruction of a non-conservative form of capitalism that has warped good concepts that once were integral to capitalism.
These true capitalist values are such: being solvent is king, build and create real wealth through hard work and enterprise, not through debt and lies, a person's character DOES matter, and should count when doing business deals, sobriety and honesty should be rewarded; profligacy and deceit punished.
The baby boomer form of capitalism, forged in the counter culture and its selfish generation, has refuted every one of those precepts. And that is what we are seeing blowing up before our eyes. It is making the dull company men of the 50s and early 60s look like gods in comparison to the charlatans who stalk Wallstreet these days.
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» the answer has always been justice
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Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 25, 2008 2:27 AM
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Japan is the prime example of a country that can't create enough debt. The Japanese population is stagnant and soon baby boomers will be retiring. With no population increase and boomers saving for retirement there is no net debt production, hence the economy stalls as money can't be created. Japan has the luxury of a trade surplus to mitigate some of these effects.
What we are seeing now is the predictable end of another debt spiral brought about the bursting of yet another bubble. The problem is not the speculation, but the debt that enables the speculation. When this debt becomes illiquid or uncollectable the money supply cascades at the same rate as the leverage used in the monetary system. If these bad debts are one off exposures the system adjusts, but in a systemic crisis the whole house of cards comes down and with it the lifebloood of the economy : money.
The whole world needs to initiate a credit based banking system whereby governments create their money based on the full faith and credit of the economy of the government and set standards for the level of interest charged based on the productivity of the use of the capital. The government could fully self fund and banks would have to compete for private savings for deposits. Interest rates would be higher but predisposed for productive rather than consumptive use. One of the prime contributors to our current malaise is that capital now flows into instruments of consumptive financial use causing the rapacious destruction of the environment and the virtual enslavement of the workforce through debt obligation.
Debt based fractional banking was enshrined by the Western Europeans to monetize their colonial empires through debt obligation. It is still being used in that way today by way of the neoliberal economic models that chain developing countries to ever more debt that is codified by the WTO , their courts, and enforced by the international banking cartel. To monetize this debt the developed world has even turned in on itself through the privatization of water agencies, subway tunnels, sewage systems and roads in the developed countries themselves !
The current problems exist, not because of capitalism, but because of who creates our money, the banks, who seek consumptive return, and the use of debt based fractional banking that can only prosper through the monetization of the environment and existing real improvements to create ever more debt.
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» RE: The Economy Can Only Expand with More Debt
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» More Crackernomics won't get to the Heart of the Matter.
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» RE: More Crackernomics/ Name calling, Sign of the lost argument ...
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» RE: More Crackernomics is the view of many Alternet users. It's NOT namecalling but true description
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» RE: More Crackernomics - more cheap name calling
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Posted by: g50 on Feb 25, 2008 2:31 AM
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The economy is built on perception, it is built on force, it is built on the international security system and the many allied nations from the Pacific rim to North America to the European Union.
Appropriate actions will be taken by policymakers, consumerism is not going anywhere, and nobody will be pulling against the grain.
Yes, it demands constant growth. But in a world where there are billions living on just a few dollars a day, there is plenty of room for growth.
Obituaries are premature. Skeptics are in a frenzy - as always. Perhaps there will be a slight and short downturn. And maybe even prior to the boost of the Obama presidency for this global system, the markets will decide to shed a little bit more of their junk in anticipation of the O-boom-a years.
But all of that will be as much a blip as Japan in the early 90s, the slight shakes at the beginning of this decade. There are just too many people with too much at stake to give up now.
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» RE: Nah .... That's what they said in '29 !
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» RE: Nah .... That's what they said in '29 !
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» RE: Nah .... That's what they said in '29 !
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» RE: Nah - you can't live in a bubble forever...
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» other wild cards
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» Resources, Anyone?
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Posted by: Swedish liberal on Feb 25, 2008 2:51 AM
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And of course it will not happen. Capitalism may be a flawed economic system byt the only one that is practically functional. All other economic models such as marxist socialism, mercantilism etc have been proven to be non functional. Marxist soclialism has proven to be incompatible with Human Rights. To convert to a socialist society you must suspend Human Rights as can be seen in Venezuela.
Capitalism has flaws such as it does not automaically redistribute wealth but if it is combine with democracy it does. I means that the model used in the Western World; North America and Western Europe, EU, is the preferred model.
Winston Churchill has said it perfectly:
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
and it can be said of capitalism as well:
It has been said that capitalism is the worst form of economic system except all the others that have been tried.
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» Ask yourself: would you trust Naomi Klein's alternative?
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» RE: What is the alternative?
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» RE: What is the alternative?
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Posted by: Suzon on Feb 25, 2008 4:15 AM
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It was perhaps an unconscious imperative for them to rachet up their pillaging about 30 years ago. What happened then to make this happen? That was about when banks destroyed the family farm and created agribusiness and the selling of sub-prime mortgages is a more recent manifestation.
They use fear to manipulate us but they themselves are fear-driven. If your wealth is based upon criminal acts, you'd be very stupid not to be afraid of retribution.
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» True: Most of the very rich did not earn their obscene wealth...
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Posted by: siamdave on Feb 25, 2008 4:22 AM
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» Human and Civil Rights are "insulting to [Muslim] values"?
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» Are you kidding?
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» you have twisted what oxheadone stated--he or she was talking about Western values, not human rights
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» Western values ARE Human Rights and Civil Liberties
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» human rights and civil liberties
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» RE: where is the evidence that Western values are human rights & civil liberties?
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» values are the things we live by, so exploitation of people and resources is a dominant value
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 25, 2008 5:35 AM
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The vast majority of people don't actually own their homes, the banks do! And if these "homeowners" fail to pay their "rent" on time, the real owners turf them out onto the street.
Like the old song goes... "I owe my soul to the company store"
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Posted by: otto on Feb 25, 2008 6:12 AM
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» I suggest people read Bello's book, Dilemnas of Domination. He bases his critique on the book
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Posted by: smendler on Feb 25, 2008 10:21 AM
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Posted by: audiodef on Feb 25, 2008 10:59 AM
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George Soros sounded positively necrological, declaring to one and all that the world was witnessing "the end of an era."
We are. People are starting to witness firsthand the true value of money: nothing. I hope this means that humanity will start getting priorities straight and work towards a society that is based on things that are REAL - not money. When you build complicated structures out of soap bubbles, it's all going to collapse and leave nothing of substance behind. So this is not "apocalyptic", but rather the logical (and expected) result of modern society's obsession with a false god. I would like to say we might learn a lesson, but history not only has things to teach us, it also tells us that people are slow learners and quickly forget what they've learned.
But I still hold out hope and want to give each and every one of my fellow humans the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by: Coleman on Feb 25, 2008 11:17 AM
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What's with all the neoliberal cheerleaders posting here? If I wanted to read Thomas Friedman I would have bought his book on Amazon. One optimistic poster even claims that there are no limits to economic growth, that the "economy is more than [stuff], it's ideas". And then something about the human race venturing into space after we use up Earth and leave it sizzling and lifeless. Sorry if I can't get with the program, but I don't know if I'll be able to afford that SpaceBus ticket to...where exactly?
And what about the favorite conversation-stopper of cheerleaders: "There Is No Alternative" or "What's your alternative?" Don't be afraid of this despairing attitude. Even if I don't know how to build a car that doesn't use internal combustion, is it improper and dangerous for me to suggest that there ought to be a car that doesn't use internal combustion? Maybe if enough people who thought that this ought to be the case got together and worked on it, they'd figure it out.
And shame on the author for suggesting something "new" in this financial crisis. These things occur with much regularity. It's long been the case that the "real" economy - the one that feeds, clothes, houses and educates people - isn't such a profitable place to be. So instead we've got to pour investment into consumer gadgets, false needs, high tech weaponry/surveillance, and the ever-expanding entertainment/marketing sector. And what about all those complicated debt securities whose blatant function is to transfer wealth to the top as every money manager takes his million dollar cut? Lets just call it what it is: unsustainable waste.
Back to basics.
1) The current crisis is not a market distortion that will be smoothed out, these bubbles burst many times every generation. There's usually a massive government bailout to keep the funny money where it's at. This isn't some brave new world, this is the "perpetual present" of capitalism.
2) Real wages are declining even as we fill our houses with gadgets. Plasma screens get cheaper, quality food gets more expensive, sometimes prohibitively so if you live paycheck to paycheck like most people. How's that for market distortion?
3) There are limits to real growth. The natural world is instructive here. Every ecosystem is in decline as the search for profit exploits every possible resource. The cheerleaders tell us not to worry because we'll soon have renewable/recyclable everything. That's the "blind and unshakable faith in technology" bit from the Jameson quote. In response, ask them to name one case where industrial growth has proven sustainable. One!
How long do we live in this perpetual present before we transcend it? The answer is forever if we never even believe that it is possible to have an economy where we cooperate to sustain each other instead of competing over scraps to boost the wealth of society's elites. Most of us live in anxiety with a handful of broken promises, banking on a techno-fix that hasn't come and isn't coming. Most of us can sooner imagine a global apocalypse that some relatively mild shifts in the economy. Why is that?
The great re-regulation of our economy will happen, but the extent and, more importantly, the aim of that control is an open question, a political one. Tell your friends.
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Feb 25, 2008 12:02 PM
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Unfortunately, human beings don't seem willing or able to learn from the experiences of others. Otherwise, reading accounts of the stock market bubble of the 20s and the Great Depression of the 30s would have prevented the current debacle.
Look for another big war to come our way soon (within a decade), since the generation that remembers WWII is dying off too.
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Posted by: bettina9292 on Feb 25, 2008 1:29 PM
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In the Mortgage lending business, capacity and collateral are major tenants. Excellent credit individuals who desired to purchase 100% of their homes -were approved in far more numbers than persons who had mediocre fico scores and could not prove their incomes. This allowed these persons to afford much, much more home in square footage and fancier upscale abodes beyond the reasonable. For these deals everyone got something more with the increased speculation. The investors charged a premium rate from the git go called when a 1st lien for 80 or 90 or 95% was created and charged exponential rates for the 2nd lien of 20-5%. We are not not talking variable option arm rates that reset after 6 or 3 years.
The key risk issue here is being 100% in debt or close to it. The investors loved it. The banks or just sometimes (investors) charged points in the back to the mortgage broker for getting the highest interest rate possible and the front man charge a point or two on the front for the fee for doing business. Ad these things all up and there has to be a huge payout in the end. Remember a point or two on a compounded interest on a 400000.00 note is HUGE!!!
Now collateral. Not all appraisers are crooks. In fact, Most banks that are still around have black listed ones who don't pass muster. They are independently licensed and have pretty strenuous standards for reviews. If a bank didn't like an appraisal-they request a field review (a 2nd appraiser)Except for investment properties(where rental income is considered), home values are taken from prior comparative and recent sales. There is no accounting for any future market fluctuations and not much room for error and never an average price taken from 5 years on (for instance).
Now if you were to analyze a home like you would a stock there would be better risk analysis! But this would not serve the greediest at the top of this investment scheme. The get quick equity and hedge fund managers were speculating on those double digit 2nd mortgages of interest rates in the 10%-20%--where did you find that except in stock market bubbles!!When values started to stagnate, the easy money disappeared too. Let us make sure that the subprime mess- is a real mess because financial investors and banks are in the business of making big profits on mortgages. The pain is because they aren't making AS MUCH money so they are moving on to other marks...
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 25, 2008 3:03 PM
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Capitalism (coined by Marx) requires free, open markets in ideas and trade to exist. Ergo we do not have capitalism. Period. Full stop.
(Communism literally financed by “capitalist” robber barons was another fraud that never existed)
Fascism as the merger of corporate-state power with corporations in command surely does exist and rigs virtually everything from a Washington-MSM-"education" axis down to city governments.
Once you understand this and bogus institutions like an unconstitutional, privately gamed "Federal Reserve" Corporation that's not federal and never had reserves – the reality of a de facto Fascist system sham becomes quite clear.
Hence we get phony wars (“war on terror”- “war on drugs”) along with serial boom-bust bubbles fed into derivatives, subprime crime, stock market swindles, etc, etc. All schemes to enrich a de facto parasite ruling class and all on the public nickel.
Get a clue, folks. Round 3 coming up…
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Posted by: lukitas on Feb 25, 2008 5:33 PM
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While the fat cats have been working disaster capitalism since Ronnie and Maggie, the sheep have been led to the slaughter, and it is gonna hurt us sheep hard, and long.
A revolution is overdue. In the old sense: deposing the current leadership. And a bit of redistribution of wealth will be beneficial, even if the new load of leaders are just as big an ass as the old ones.
Humans like to take things when nobody is watching. This is what happened here: some few, some happy few, became very adept at sucking money out of all of our pockets. Finding ways of making it invisible. Debt, Interest, CDO, investment in debt, etc.
Now thieves need to be punished, and their ill-gotten gains should be rendered unto their victims. And we need to be watching. We need a financial system where money cannot be made out of thin air, and where people can make a decent living. We need a system that makes watching financial transactions easy, because somebody who is watched does not commit crimes. A cop on the corner keeps four streets safe.
Maybe the standard for money should be work-hours: you work 1 hour, you get 1 money. Everything costs the amount of work needed to make it (plus postage ;).
I know this is a pipe dream, but a revolution is overdue. I'll be interested to watch the proceedings.
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2. This implies a hybrid economy: individuals can be the best that they can be, but they have responsibilities to the community/nation. This translates into Amitai Etzioni's communitarianism and the good society concept;
3. I am a follower of Thads Bentulan aka Streetstrategist's (formerly of Businessworld) Hypwerwage Theory . It proposes that the minimum wage of lowest worker, the household helper in a developing country, should be at least $500/mo. with corresponding adjustments for other workers/staff. This is a redistribution of wealth from GOV'T (deductible as payroll taxes) and from the elite. However, businessmen should see long-term growth from significant consumer spending...
4. There are many examples. Check out Gawad Kalinga on how communities can be revived. In their case, nearly 1,500 of them...
The solution is not economics per se, but culture, ethics, and spirituality influencing the economy.
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There is mereley a profound trans-formation occurring at the moment, and the outlines of a new capitalist order (differing only in image) are beginning to be seen.
1. Generational transfer of wealth to the younger. Inheritance of property and wealth is a big issue.
2. The form is now not so much the Factory (that's been moved to the 3rd world mostly) to the "information' and 'knowledge' base -- from producers to consumers.
3. The formation of new alliances larger than the particular State (notice the tighter rapport amongst the English-speaking countries -- especially seen in the cultural sphere now). New elites modeled on Gentry, Aristocracy, Nobility, Monarchy-- 'Princes', 'Princesses', 'Courtly-ness' galore. Federalism is a neat trick and can always elevate and in-corporate more expanded sub-units -- into Space if necessary!
4. A new proletarian expansion. Those humans formerly employed in factories and corporations increasingly thrown out into surviving by their own means of production (new field-workers!) such as pc's, laptops, cell-phones, etc while Capitalists retain the means of the means of production (the telecoms, the electric companies, the water companies) the 'Platform' they call it upon which the field-workers must rely to produce their own crops (internet businesses, blogs, etc). So owner-ship of the means of the means of production is the newer form of Capitalism. More expanded and global, perhaps, but Capitalism just the same. This is why the Bushes and the sophisticated owners of the worlds productive capacities are merely staying silent, smiling knowingly and watching the hoopla go on. The metaphysicians and religionists of all stripes are positively Ecstatic with developments. Anti-humanism is back in the saddle again with the slight inter-lude after its vanquishment in the 19th century. Plato's inventions of pure spirit and the Good as Such are once again ascendant.
The options of Capitalism are positively rosy; those of the vastly expanding pool of the multitudes of humanity? Not so much. The same 400 year old forms remain the same; it's only that they're being drained and re-filled with newer content of ever decreasing quality. Orange juice producers know it as Re-Constitution. It's still a matter of convincing everyone that the promised is within reach but still ever-so far from grasping. THAT promise may have not panned out, but just listen to this one....
Hither-to all groupings of society that have attained to the label "Civilization" have been based upon the servitude and slavery of the majority of humanity. But humans develop and are developing. Here, indeed, is the crucial area where the metaphysicians and the capitalists are really sweating about options. More and more they are needing the Military, the Police and Surveillance to keep the System profitable.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Feb 25, 2008 12:55 AM
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I shall explain: what we are seeing is not the refutation of capitalism, but the self-destruction of a non-conservative form of capitalism that has warped good concepts that once were integral to capitalism.
These true capitalist values are such: being solvent is king, build and create real wealth through hard work and enterprise, not through debt and lies, a person's character DOES matter, and should count when doing business deals, sobriety and honesty should be rewarded; profligacy and deceit punished.
The baby boomer form of capitalism, forged in the counter culture and its selfish generation, has refuted every one of those precepts. And that is what we are seeing blowing up before our eyes. It is making the dull company men of the 50s and early 60s look like gods in comparison to the charlatans who stalk Wallstreet these days.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 25, 2008 2:27 AM
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Japan is the prime example of a country that can't create enough debt. The Japanese population is stagnant and soon baby boomers will be retiring. With no population increase and boomers saving for retirement there is no net debt production, hence the economy stalls as money can't be created. Japan has the luxury of a trade surplus to mitigate some of these effects.
What we are seeing now is the predictable end of another debt spiral brought about the bursting of yet another bubble. The problem is not the speculation, but the debt that enables the speculation. When this debt becomes illiquid or uncollectable the money supply cascades at the same rate as the leverage used in the monetary system. If these bad debts are one off exposures the system adjusts, but in a systemic crisis the whole house of cards comes down and with it the lifebloood of the economy : money.
The whole world needs to initiate a credit based banking system whereby governments create their money based on the full faith and credit of the economy of the government and set standards for the level of interest charged based on the productivity of the use of the capital. The government could fully self fund and banks would have to compete for private savings for deposits. Interest rates would be higher but predisposed for productive rather than consumptive use. One of the prime contributors to our current malaise is that capital now flows into instruments of consumptive financial use causing the rapacious destruction of the environment and the virtual enslavement of the workforce through debt obligation.
Debt based fractional banking was enshrined by the Western Europeans to monetize their colonial empires through debt obligation. It is still being used in that way today by way of the neoliberal economic models that chain developing countries to ever more debt that is codified by the WTO , their courts, and enforced by the international banking cartel. To monetize this debt the developed world has even turned in on itself through the privatization of water agencies, subway tunnels, sewage systems and roads in the developed countries themselves !
The current problems exist, not because of capitalism, but because of who creates our money, the banks, who seek consumptive return, and the use of debt based fractional banking that can only prosper through the monetization of the environment and existing real improvements to create ever more debt.
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Posted by: g50 on Feb 25, 2008 2:31 AM
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The economy is built on perception, it is built on force, it is built on the international security system and the many allied nations from the Pacific rim to North America to the European Union.
Appropriate actions will be taken by policymakers, consumerism is not going anywhere, and nobody will be pulling against the grain.
Yes, it demands constant growth. But in a world where there are billions living on just a few dollars a day, there is plenty of room for growth.
Obituaries are premature. Skeptics are in a frenzy - as always. Perhaps there will be a slight and short downturn. And maybe even prior to the boost of the Obama presidency for this global system, the markets will decide to shed a little bit more of their junk in anticipation of the O-boom-a years.
But all of that will be as much a blip as Japan in the early 90s, the slight shakes at the beginning of this decade. There are just too many people with too much at stake to give up now.
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Posted by: Swedish liberal on Feb 25, 2008 2:51 AM
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And of course it will not happen. Capitalism may be a flawed economic system byt the only one that is practically functional. All other economic models such as marxist socialism, mercantilism etc have been proven to be non functional. Marxist soclialism has proven to be incompatible with Human Rights. To convert to a socialist society you must suspend Human Rights as can be seen in Venezuela.
Capitalism has flaws such as it does not automaically redistribute wealth but if it is combine with democracy it does. I means that the model used in the Western World; North America and Western Europe, EU, is the preferred model.
Winston Churchill has said it perfectly:
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
and it can be said of capitalism as well:
It has been said that capitalism is the worst form of economic system except all the others that have been tried.
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Posted by: Suzon on Feb 25, 2008 4:15 AM
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It was perhaps an unconscious imperative for them to rachet up their pillaging about 30 years ago. What happened then to make this happen? That was about when banks destroyed the family farm and created agribusiness and the selling of sub-prime mortgages is a more recent manifestation.
They use fear to manipulate us but they themselves are fear-driven. If your wealth is based upon criminal acts, you'd be very stupid not to be afraid of retribution.
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» values are the things we live by, so exploitation of people and resources is a dominant value
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Posted by: Cathyc on Feb 25, 2008 5:35 AM
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The vast majority of people don't actually own their homes, the banks do! And if these "homeowners" fail to pay their "rent" on time, the real owners turf them out onto the street.
Like the old song goes... "I owe my soul to the company store"
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Posted by: audiodef on Feb 25, 2008 10:59 AM
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George Soros sounded positively necrological, declaring to one and all that the world was witnessing "the end of an era."
We are. People are starting to witness firsthand the true value of money: nothing. I hope this means that humanity will start getting priorities straight and work towards a society that is based on things that are REAL - not money. When you build complicated structures out of soap bubbles, it's all going to collapse and leave nothing of substance behind. So this is not "apocalyptic", but rather the logical (and expected) result of modern society's obsession with a false god. I would like to say we might learn a lesson, but history not only has things to teach us, it also tells us that people are slow learners and quickly forget what they've learned.
But I still hold out hope and want to give each and every one of my fellow humans the benefit of the doubt.
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Posted by: Coleman on Feb 25, 2008 11:17 AM
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What's with all the neoliberal cheerleaders posting here? If I wanted to read Thomas Friedman I would have bought his book on Amazon. One optimistic poster even claims that there are no limits to economic growth, that the "economy is more than [stuff], it's ideas". And then something about the human race venturing into space after we use up Earth and leave it sizzling and lifeless. Sorry if I can't get with the program, but I don't know if I'll be able to afford that SpaceBus ticket to...where exactly?
And what about the favorite conversation-stopper of cheerleaders: "There Is No Alternative" or "What's your alternative?" Don't be afraid of this despairing attitude. Even if I don't know how to build a car that doesn't use internal combustion, is it improper and dangerous for me to suggest that there ought to be a car that doesn't use internal combustion? Maybe if enough people who thought that this ought to be the case got together and worked on it, they'd figure it out.
And shame on the author for suggesting something "new" in this financial crisis. These things occur with much regularity. It's long been the case that the "real" economy - the one that feeds, clothes, houses and educates people - isn't such a profitable place to be. So instead we've got to pour investment into consumer gadgets, false needs, high tech weaponry/surveillance, and the ever-expanding entertainment/marketing sector. And what about all those complicated debt securities whose blatant function is to transfer wealth to the top as every money manager takes his million dollar cut? Lets just call it what it is: unsustainable waste.
Back to basics.
1) The current crisis is not a market distortion that will be smoothed out, these bubbles burst many times every generation. There's usually a massive government bailout to keep the funny money where it's at. This isn't some brave new world, this is the "perpetual present" of capitalism.
2) Real wages are declining even as we fill our houses with gadgets. Plasma screens get cheaper, quality food gets more expensive, sometimes prohibitively so if you live paycheck to paycheck like most people. How's that for market distortion?
3) There are limits to real growth. The natural world is instructive here. Every ecosystem is in decline as the search for profit exploits every possible resource. The cheerleaders tell us not to worry because we'll soon have renewable/recyclable everything. That's the "blind and unshakable faith in technology" bit from the Jameson quote. In response, ask them to name one case where industrial growth has proven sustainable. One!
How long do we live in this perpetual present before we transcend it? The answer is forever if we never even believe that it is possible to have an economy where we cooperate to sustain each other instead of competing over scraps to boost the wealth of society's elites. Most of us live in anxiety with a handful of broken promises, banking on a techno-fix that hasn't come and isn't coming. Most of us can sooner imagine a global apocalypse that some relatively mild shifts in the economy. Why is that?
The great re-regulation of our economy will happen, but the extent and, more importantly, the aim of that control is an open question, a political one. Tell your friends.
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Posted by: bcgirl125 on Feb 25, 2008 12:02 PM
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Unfortunately, human beings don't seem willing or able to learn from the experiences of others. Otherwise, reading accounts of the stock market bubble of the 20s and the Great Depression of the 30s would have prevented the current debacle.
Look for another big war to come our way soon (within a decade), since the generation that remembers WWII is dying off too.
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Posted by: bettina9292 on Feb 25, 2008 1:29 PM
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In the Mortgage lending business, capacity and collateral are major tenants. Excellent credit individuals who desired to purchase 100% of their homes -were approved in far more numbers than persons who had mediocre fico scores and could not prove their incomes. This allowed these persons to afford much, much more home in square footage and fancier upscale abodes beyond the reasonable. For these deals everyone got something more with the increased speculation. The investors charged a premium rate from the git go called when a 1st lien for 80 or 90 or 95% was created and charged exponential rates for the 2nd lien of 20-5%. We are not not talking variable option arm rates that reset after 6 or 3 years.
The key risk issue here is being 100% in debt or close to it. The investors loved it. The banks or just sometimes (investors) charged points in the back to the mortgage broker for getting the highest interest rate possible and the front man charge a point or two on the front for the fee for doing business. Ad these things all up and there has to be a huge payout in the end. Remember a point or two on a compounded interest on a 400000.00 note is HUGE!!!
Now collateral. Not all appraisers are crooks. In fact, Most banks that are still around have black listed ones who don't pass muster. They are independently licensed and have pretty strenuous standards for reviews. If a bank didn't like an appraisal-they request a field review (a 2nd appraiser)Except for investment properties(where rental income is considered), home values are taken from prior comparative and recent sales. There is no accounting for any future market fluctuations and not much room for error and never an average price taken from 5 years on (for instance).
Now if you were to analyze a home like you would a stock there would be better risk analysis! But this would not serve the greediest at the top of this investment scheme. The get quick equity and hedge fund managers were speculating on those double digit 2nd mortgages of interest rates in the 10%-20%--where did you find that except in stock market bubbles!!When values started to stagnate, the easy money disappeared too. Let us make sure that the subprime mess- is a real mess because financial investors and banks are in the business of making big profits on mortgages. The pain is because they aren't making AS MUCH money so they are moving on to other marks...
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Feb 25, 2008 3:03 PM
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Capitalism (coined by Marx) requires free, open markets in ideas and trade to exist. Ergo we do not have capitalism. Period. Full stop.
(Communism literally financed by “capitalist” robber barons was another fraud that never existed)
Fascism as the merger of corporate-state power with corporations in command surely does exist and rigs virtually everything from a Washington-MSM-"education" axis down to city governments.
Once you understand this and bogus institutions like an unconstitutional, privately gamed "Federal Reserve" Corporation that's not federal and never had reserves – the reality of a de facto Fascist system sham becomes quite clear.
Hence we get phony wars (“war on terror”- “war on drugs”) along with serial boom-bust bubbles fed into derivatives, subprime crime, stock market swindles, etc, etc. All schemes to enrich a de facto parasite ruling class and all on the public nickel.
Get a clue, folks. Round 3 coming up…
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Posted by: lukitas on Feb 25, 2008 5:33 PM
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While the fat cats have been working disaster capitalism since Ronnie and Maggie, the sheep have been led to the slaughter, and it is gonna hurt us sheep hard, and long.
A revolution is overdue. In the old sense: deposing the current leadership. And a bit of redistribution of wealth will be beneficial, even if the new load of leaders are just as big an ass as the old ones.
Humans like to take things when nobody is watching. This is what happened here: some few, some happy few, became very adept at sucking money out of all of our pockets. Finding ways of making it invisible. Debt, Interest, CDO, investment in debt, etc.
Now thieves need to be punished, and their ill-gotten gains should be rendered unto their victims. And we need to be watching. We need a financial system where money cannot be made out of thin air, and where people can make a decent living. We need a system that makes watching financial transactions easy, because somebody who is watched does not commit crimes. A cop on the corner keeps four streets safe.
Maybe the standard for money should be work-hours: you work 1 hour, you get 1 money. Everything costs the amount of work needed to make it (plus postage ;).
I know this is a pipe dream, but a revolution is overdue. I'll be interested to watch the proceedings.
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Posted by: RV on Feb 25, 2008 8:38 PM
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2. This implies a hybrid economy: individuals can be the best that they can be, but they have responsibilities to the community/nation. This translates into Amitai Etzioni's communitarianism and the good society concept;
3. I am a follower of Thads Bentulan aka Streetstrategist's (formerly of Businessworld) Hypwerwage Theory . It proposes that the minimum wage of lowest worker, the household helper in a developing country, should be at least $500/mo. with corresponding adjustments for other workers/staff. This is a redistribution of wealth from GOV'T (deductible as payroll taxes) and from the elite. However, businessmen should see long-term growth from significant consumer spending...
4. There are many examples. Check out Gawad Kalinga on how communities can be revived. In their case, nearly 1,500 of them...
The solution is not economics per se, but culture, ethics, and spirituality influencing the economy.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 25, 2008 11:27 PM
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Posted by: wdednam2002 on Feb 29, 2008 2:32 AM
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Posted by: talkville on Feb 29, 2008 3:26 AM
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There is mereley a profound trans-formation occurring at the moment, and the outlines of a new capitalist order (differing only in image) are beginning to be seen.
1. Generational transfer of wealth to the younger. Inheritance of property and wealth is a big issue.
2. The form is now not so much the Factory (that's been moved to the 3rd world mostly) to the "information' and 'knowledge' base -- from producers to consumers.
3. The formation of new alliances larger than the particular State (notice the tighter rapport amongst the English-speaking countries -- especially seen in the cultural sphere now). New elites modeled on Gentry, Aristocracy, Nobility, Monarchy-- 'Princes', 'Princesses', 'Courtly-ness' galore. Federalism is a neat trick and can always elevate and in-corporate more expanded sub-units -- into Space if necessary!
4. A new proletarian expansion. Those humans formerly employed in factories and corporations increasingly thrown out into surviving by their own means of production (new field-workers!) such as pc's, laptops, cell-phones, etc while Capitalists retain the means of the means of production (the telecoms, the electric companies, the water companies) the 'Platform' they call it upon which the field-workers must rely to produce their own crops (internet businesses, blogs, etc). So owner-ship of the means of the means of production is the newer form of Capitalism. More expanded and global, perhaps, but Capitalism just the same. This is why the Bushes and the sophisticated owners of the worlds productive capacities are merely staying silent, smiling knowingly and watching the hoopla go on. The metaphysicians and religionists of all stripes are positively Ecstatic with developments. Anti-humanism is back in the saddle again with the slight inter-lude after its vanquishment in the 19th century. Plato's inventions of pure spirit and the Good as Such are once again ascendant.
The options of Capitalism are positively rosy; those of the vastly expanding pool of the multitudes of humanity? Not so much. The same 400 year old forms remain the same; it's only that they're being drained and re-filled with newer content of ever decreasing quality. Orange juice producers know it as Re-Constitution. It's still a matter of convincing everyone that the promised is within reach but still ever-so far from grasping. THAT promise may have not panned out, but just listen to this one....
Hither-to all groupings of society that have attained to the label "Civilization" have been based upon the servitude and slavery of the majority of humanity. But humans develop and are developing. Here, indeed, is the crucial area where the metaphysicians and the capitalists are really sweating about options. More and more they are needing the Military, the Police and Surveillance to keep the System profitable.
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