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The Boom Was a Bust for Ordinary People
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The economy, for example, has been expanding, at least until now, and growth is supposed to guarantee general well-being. As long as the gross domestic product grows, World Money Watch's Web site assures us, "so will business, jobs and personal income."
But hellooo, we've had brisk growth for the past few years, as the president has tirelessly reminded us, only without those promised increases in personal income, at least not for the poor and the middle class. According to a study just released by the Economic Policy Institute, real wages actually fell last year. Growth, some of the economists are conceding in perplexity, has been "decoupled" from widely shared prosperity.
I first began to sense this in the boom years of the late 1990s, when I was working in entry-level jobs for my book "Nickel and Dimed." While the stock market soared and fortunes were being made in the time it takes to say "IPO," my $6-to-$8-an-hour co-workers lunched on hot dog buns because that was all they could afford and, in some cases, fretted about whether they could find a safe place to sleep.
Growth is not the only economic indicator that has let us down. In the past five years, America's briskly rising productivity has been the envy of much of the world. But again, there's been no corresponding increase in most people's wages. It's not supposed to be this way, of course. Economists have long believed that some sort of occult process would intervene and adjust wages upward as people worked harder and more efficiently.
We like to attribute our high productivity to technological advances and better education. But a revealing 2001 study by the consulting firm McKinsey & Co. also credited America's productivity growth to "managerial ... innovations" and cited Wal-Mart as a model performer, meaning that our productivity also relies on fiendish schemes to extract more work for less pay. Yes, you can generate more output per apparent hour of work by falsifying time records, speeding up assembly lines, doubling workloads and cutting back on breaks. That may look good from the top, but at the middle and the bottom, it can feel a lot like pain.
And what about the unemployment rate? The old liberal certainty was that "full employment" would create a workers' paradise, with higher wages and enhanced bargaining power for the little guy and gal. But we've had nearly full employment, or at least an official unemployment rate of under 5 percent, for years now, without the predicted gains. What the old liberals weren't counting on was a depressed minimum wage, weak unions and a witch's brew of management strategies to hold wages and salaries down.
So thoroughly is the economy decoupled from ordinary experience that according to a CNN poll, 57 percent of Americans thought we were already in a recession a month ago. Economists may complain that this is only because the public is ignorant of the technical definition of a recession, which specifies at least two consecutive quarters of negative growth. But most of the public employs the more colloquial definition of a recession, which is hard times. And -- far removed from whatever happens on Wall Street, the Nikkei, Dax, or the curiously named FTSE -- most Americans have been living in their own personal recession for years.
I could see this when I was doing research for a book on white-collar unemployment in 2004. Although the economy was officially on an upturn, I met laid-off people who'd been searching for a job for more than a year and often ended up -- after selling their homes and borrowing from relatives -- taking low-wage work as big-box sales clerks or even janitors.
In the months ahead, we can expect the hard times to spread. Citigroup has announced plans to eliminate 21,000 jobs; investment banks in general will shed 40,000. The mortgage industry is in a meltdown; Business Wire predicts a 37 percent increase in the number of companies planning layoffs this year. This is what a stimulus package needs to address: the persistent and growing struggles of the middle class and the working class, which is increasingly conterminous with the working poor.
There are reasons for doing so other than compassion. The chronically poor and the battered middle class have become a tripwire in the American economy -- generating defaults on debts, depressed consumption and global market turmoil.
Consider how we got into the current credit crisis in the first place, through defaults on subprime mortgages. These went to plenty of affluent folks and have wreaked havoc in gated communities. But overall, subprime loans were designed for, and snapped up by, the poor. According to a recent study from United for a Fair Economy, 55 percent of subprime loans went to African Americans and 17 percent to whites. Among whites, they went far more frequently to low-income people than to the wealthy -- 39 percent compared with 24 percent. Hence the subprime industry's noble boasts about providing the opportunity for home ownership to people who might otherwise have been excluded from it.
And why were so many Americans poor enough to turn to subprime mortgages and other dodgy credit schemes? The chief reasons are low wages and job insecurity. Chronically low wages afflict about 25 to 30 percent of the population -- more than twice the 12 percent the federal government counts as "poor." And even earnings in the six-figure range can be canceled overnight when an employer downsizes or outsources, leaving a family without income or health insurance.
For years now, we've had a solution, or at least a substitute, for low wages and unreliable jobs: easy credit. Payday loans, rent-to-buy furniture and exorbitant credit card interest rates for the poor were just the beginning. In its May cover story on "The Poverty Business," BusinessWeek documented the stampede to lend money to the people who could least afford to pay the interest on it: Buy your dream home! Refinance your house! Financiamos a todos! It wasn't just the bottom-feeders that joined the unseemly frenzy to lend to the poor; big companies, such as Wells Fargo and Countrywide Financial, plunged right in. But somehow, no one bothered to figure out where the poor were going to get the money to pay for all the money they were borrowing.
When personal finances are squeezed hard enough, you have the possibility of a genuine recession. People buy less, so growth declines to the point where even the economic overclass has to sit up and take notice. We saw the beginnings of that in the last Christmas season, which even Wal-Mart survived only through perilously deep discounting.
Not that we hadn't been warned. A century ago, Henry Ford realized that his company would only prosper if his own workers earned enough to buy Fords. But, like Wal-Mart, too many of our employers today haven't figured out that their cruelly low wages would eventually curtail their own growth and profits.
Government intervention, whether short-term or long-term, needs to get to the heart of this problem by offering a hand to the poor and the unemployed. Until the House capitulated to Bush two weeks ago, Democrats seemed to be standing solidly behind a stimulus package that would include an increase in food-stamp allotments and an extension of unemployment benefits, both of which are screamingly obvious measures. Current unemployment benefits last just 26 weeks in most states and end up covering only a third of people who are laid off. Food stamps are in even shabbier shape, with an allotment amounting to about $1 per meal. Nothing could be more stimulating than putting money in the hands of those who will spend it quickly.
But you can't jump-start a car that lacks a working battery. We need less titillating talk about "stimulus" and more commitment to some fundamental repairs -- higher wages, a real safety net and a return to progressive taxation among them. The challenge isn't just to prop up stock prices but to rebuild an economy in which everyone shares the good times -- and no one is consigned to a permanent recession.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 5, 2008 2:40 AM
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Otherwise, giving it to a food bank is a good idea.
The article mentions "full employment." What a joke. Lose your 50k a year job and get a part- time burger-flipping gig at the McPlasticFoods and you are still employed. When your unemployment checks run out (or if you just give up and quit looking), you are no longer unemployed.
Saw a place a month ago where they were building a new WalMart and put a small, one time ad in the local paper for a couple hundred jobs. Ten thousand people showed up! And we aren't that far away from they call full employment.
Same with the inflation stats. Supposedly prices rose about 2% last year. Words fail me. Yeah, prices on computers and big screen TVs are down - how many of those do you plan to buy this year?
The things you actually buy? Through the ROOF!
Milk, Meat, Bread, Gas - skyrocketing. So they like to talk about the "core rate" - excludes food and energy. Don't you wish you could "exclude food and energy?"
Now they are gonna be factoring in falling home prices to tell us how wonderful the inflation picture is. Social security recipients? Some of em (they all got a lousy 2% cost of living increase this year) are gonna get mighty hungry. People poor enough to need food stamps? A lot of em already are.
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Posted by: gazooks on Feb 5, 2008 2:44 AM
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Why? Because every time a dollar is created, if there's no corresponding value actually created for it in the economy, it dilutes the value of every other dollar in existence.
Additionally, the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank charges interest on each of those dollars it "loans" to the government for it's debt. The government issues the statistics that are intended to convince you and the markets that there's corresponding value in purported "economic growth", and IF those numbers are not quite what they seem, we lose value in what we're paid for our work, while we pay ever more for everything we buy over time. The methodology employed by the government is ever evolving in it's supposed attempt to accurately gauge economic growth and value, trouble is as we've recently seen, these little multi billion dollar injections of "stimuli" are coming right out of our pockets and going right into the pockets of the central bankers. By the time the "stimuli" trickles down to us, we've already lost much more value than we've gained.
So, if you are not at the head of the economic pecking order benefiting by the profligate creation of money, or receiving a "cost of living" increase that compensates for the continual monetary inflation, you lose. It is quite literally a form of "stealth" taxation that hurts the middle class perpetually, and relentlessly crushes the poor.
Small wonder then that as the ease of use of monetary inflation increases by our governmental monetary wizardry by "growing" the economy by "injection", the American consumer has been enticed to borrow into "wealth" the same way that our economic managers have. Debt addiction and the crash of bankruptcy is the inevitable end for both consumer and government.
As long as government and central banking have the exclusive power to control the value of money, it's fundamental that they will be corrupted to abuse the exclusive power through manipulation, always have always will.
It's precisely why there's a bull market in the only alternative to this corrupt fiat currency, the monetary metals that have intrinsic value. In the history of economy, they always have and they always will.
Our government has spent many billions of our dollars to convince us that that's not the case, aggressively intervenes in manipulating markets, and like everything else that the government does, it lies to protect the good game for it's patron banks and reinforce it's social controls.
The accommodation to private central banking was designed and coerced into being by those same bankers in a similar way to the current regulatory laws being written by the lobbyists for the business interests under regulation.
Simultaneously, consumer bankruptcy laws were being rewritten by predator banker lobbyists and despite the outrageous inequity of it, it now stands as law.
Whomever campaigns for president must be forced to address this continually expansive, self corrupting and criminal theft from American citizens and recognize it for the national emergency that it is.
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Posted by: BeyondBeliefs on Feb 5, 2008 3:44 AM
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I would rather see this economy collapse than to see HALF of OUR Time, Labor, Money, Lives, and our children, USED by this EVIL economy to LIE, POISON, CORRUPT, INVADE, MURDER AND ROB our Planet of it's Life.
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Posted by: DaBear on Feb 5, 2008 9:14 AM
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ITA. The HORROR we all face is that this is like asking an OCD to stop being OCD. When the ultra-rich ruling elite obesessively masturbate, because they're scared shitless (mostly of the middling disgruntled masses who are becoming homeless everyday), the only spolution they are capable of is, masturbate some more.
We need adults not children in Congress, on Wall Street, in Corporate Boardrooms. But that's like wishing for rain in the Sahara. We need a revolution, armed if necessary because the rich aren't going to stop masturbating and they'll kill the rest of us to keep masturbating.
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How do I know this? For some reason I find myself on a mailing list which resulted in receiving a RMBS couse offer led by Ann Rutledge. Information is here: www.euromoneytraining.com
Download the course agenda, and note the Course Background section verbiage such as:
"..in the recent past, the U.S. subprime mortgage sector sunk into a credit crisis of unprecedented proportion."
"What went wrong and how to profit from the current situation?"
Long and short of it is that the US, and increasingly the global, economy is dependent on trying to create money out of nothing, profiting from losses, and doing no real work at all.
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Posted by: sre on Feb 5, 2008 10:37 AM
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All this means that wages are going down in comparison to prices. I actually make less than I did when I graduated from high school more than 40 years ago. To say that I'm disappointed is an understatement.
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"But we've had nearly full employment, or at least an official unemployment rate of under 5 percent, for years now, without the predicted gains."
Just as the Power Elite has defined a robust economy to ignore most of the population, they have also cooked the books when it comes to unemployment figures.
From what I've read, years ago, before the most recent administrations, the military was not included in the 'employed' catagory, but they are now. That additional two million-or-so kicks down the 'official' rate almost one percent all by itself. Also, the millions of discouraged unemployed who either have given up looking or those who are not searching through 'official' government agencies are not counted, again, improving the 'official' figure. Estimates are that if the unemployment rate were calculated as it was in the 60's or 70's, the actual rate would be closer to 10 percent, or perhaps higher.
If anybody wants an anecdotal feel for the actual unemployment rate, just spend the middle of a workday in a Home Depot or similar consumer building supply company and see all of the working-age men wandering about. Back a couple of decades ago, these places would have been ghost towns, except for independent contractors early in the morning and a few older retirees in the middle of the day. (Oh, and if anybody wants to get a feel for how our "almost recession" economy is affecting real people lately, check out Big Box stores' parking lots now. They're half-empty.)
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boom" is based on statistical fraud. There was no "boom"-- only inflation. We've been in a "recession" since the middle of last year. Bush can't imagine it away.
Increasing the money supply without producing anything is a formula for disaster. You want to "vote" and make it count? Buy precious metals. That's a vote against the financial scam Washington is trying to lay upon us.
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Posted by: blogfrog on Feb 5, 2008 2:16 PM
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Would a psychiatrist refer to those diagnosed as suffering a psychotic break express it now as experiencing a "decoupling from reality" event? In this brave new world of "denial spin" happy talk babble that appears true.
It seems that we are not about confronting realities anymore and that it is far more efficacious just to create an "alternate reality" through redefining of terms and re-orienting basic understanding...in short...lie like rugs and deny deny deny.
At the heart of this "American mess" lies a generation (Baby Boomers) that never grew up, refuses to confront the issues, and considers a hybrid Escalade as "going green."
I am going out and get a copy of "Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" and get a good look at what's coming.
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IN OFFICE....( "AMERICA JUST LOVES THE HELL OUT OF OLD MAN REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS")RMEMEBER THOSE GOOD REAGEAN YEARS.....NEITHER DO I
I THINK THEY,LL KEEP THE WHOLE ECONOMIC TOWER
OF BABEL PROPED UP UNTIL THE ELECTIONS OVER THEN
THEYLL STILL BE TRYING TO TAX CUT AND FREE TRADE US OUT OF THE CORNER THEY PAINTED US INTO......LOOK FORWARD TO THE 2008 FOOL EMPLOYMENT ACT
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“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.” - Thomas Pynchon
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Feb 8, 2008 11:44 AM
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On the other hand, I see a need to address some recurring superstitions posted in the Comments:
1. A. "As long as government and central banking have the exclusive power to control the value of money, (etc)"
And: B. "Buy precious metals.(etc)"
It is easy to blame monetary systems, but the fact is that we have had good times and bad with essentially the same system. The "X" factor is not a monetary system, since any form of money is nothing but artifice and represents nothing more than "I don't trust you". The difference factor is the greed -- what now seems the panic -- of the Investor Class, and their ongoing effort to corrupt or manipulate whatever can be found to keep the Niagra of Wealthy-fare flowing to the top 0.01%; the Greed Elite.
2. "Bean counters aren't corporate leaders for that very reason. They DO count the beans. The top guys who make ridiculous salaries don't like that."
The poster has forgotten what happened when the engineers and stylists were replaced by bean counters in the executive cadres of the Big Three automakers. That process took time, but was relatively complete by the end of the 1960s. After that, profits were increasingly funneled to investors, and The Street placed highest value on how much money was thus siphoned off, even if the value and future strength of the company was siphoned with it. Like embezzlers and addicts, the bean counters took "just a little taste"...
...promising that they'd turn it all around...um...tomorrow...yeah...tomorrow, for sure.
The Big Three began to lag behind their competitors in modernization, and concentrated on slogans to push increasingly crude, shoddy designs, even as they saw that the American Auto Industry was becoming a footnote and a punchline. As long as the philosophy is to take value, rather than build value, you are in the clutches of bean counters -- be they accountants or Wall Street Enablers -- and you will feed the cancer that grows in our Greed Culture.
3. "We need adults not children in Congress, on Wall Street, in Corporate Boardrooms. But that's like wishing for rain in the Sahara. We need a revolution, armed if necessary because the rich aren't going to stop....(etc)"
We do need real adults in Con-Grease; adults with courage like Kucinich. However, violent revolution is unlikely to help us. The unhappy fact of revolution is that you don't get to pick your revolutionary: Who succeeds in that game is a matter of political darwinism and pre-existing advantages on a profoundly nonlevel playing field. Never forget: There's always Blackwater -- urban-warfare trained -- to help the next dictator "restore order".
4. "Noam Chomsky responded to a question that addressed this very issue [....] by saying that the wealthy have figured out a way to decouple worker well-being from their profits, by pursuing things like speculative investing, which is really like gambling, with no relationship to real production or consumption. Speculative investing is limited to those who can financially afford to do it, and by doing it the wealthy can continue to make money while ignoring or harming the poor, doesn't matter if the rest of the population buys products or not. The fact that the wealthy pursue anti-worker, anti-poor policies even though they could, via speculative investing, continue to augment their wealth without directly harming the poor...(etc) "
Absolutely! Why have a one-sided class war, when a total war, on all fronts is so much more lucrative? If the poverty-ward slide of our middle class can be hastened in all quarters, there will eventually be fewer educated serfs to challenge the emerging class of princes and princesses.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Feb 5, 2008 2:40 AM
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Otherwise, giving it to a food bank is a good idea.
The article mentions "full employment." What a joke. Lose your 50k a year job and get a part- time burger-flipping gig at the McPlasticFoods and you are still employed. When your unemployment checks run out (or if you just give up and quit looking), you are no longer unemployed.
Saw a place a month ago where they were building a new WalMart and put a small, one time ad in the local paper for a couple hundred jobs. Ten thousand people showed up! And we aren't that far away from they call full employment.
Same with the inflation stats. Supposedly prices rose about 2% last year. Words fail me. Yeah, prices on computers and big screen TVs are down - how many of those do you plan to buy this year?
The things you actually buy? Through the ROOF!
Milk, Meat, Bread, Gas - skyrocketing. So they like to talk about the "core rate" - excludes food and energy. Don't you wish you could "exclude food and energy?"
Now they are gonna be factoring in falling home prices to tell us how wonderful the inflation picture is. Social security recipients? Some of em (they all got a lousy 2% cost of living increase this year) are gonna get mighty hungry. People poor enough to need food stamps? A lot of em already are.
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Posted by: gazooks on Feb 5, 2008 2:44 AM
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Why? Because every time a dollar is created, if there's no corresponding value actually created for it in the economy, it dilutes the value of every other dollar in existence.
Additionally, the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank charges interest on each of those dollars it "loans" to the government for it's debt. The government issues the statistics that are intended to convince you and the markets that there's corresponding value in purported "economic growth", and IF those numbers are not quite what they seem, we lose value in what we're paid for our work, while we pay ever more for everything we buy over time. The methodology employed by the government is ever evolving in it's supposed attempt to accurately gauge economic growth and value, trouble is as we've recently seen, these little multi billion dollar injections of "stimuli" are coming right out of our pockets and going right into the pockets of the central bankers. By the time the "stimuli" trickles down to us, we've already lost much more value than we've gained.
So, if you are not at the head of the economic pecking order benefiting by the profligate creation of money, or receiving a "cost of living" increase that compensates for the continual monetary inflation, you lose. It is quite literally a form of "stealth" taxation that hurts the middle class perpetually, and relentlessly crushes the poor.
Small wonder then that as the ease of use of monetary inflation increases by our governmental monetary wizardry by "growing" the economy by "injection", the American consumer has been enticed to borrow into "wealth" the same way that our economic managers have. Debt addiction and the crash of bankruptcy is the inevitable end for both consumer and government.
As long as government and central banking have the exclusive power to control the value of money, it's fundamental that they will be corrupted to abuse the exclusive power through manipulation, always have always will.
It's precisely why there's a bull market in the only alternative to this corrupt fiat currency, the monetary metals that have intrinsic value. In the history of economy, they always have and they always will.
Our government has spent many billions of our dollars to convince us that that's not the case, aggressively intervenes in manipulating markets, and like everything else that the government does, it lies to protect the good game for it's patron banks and reinforce it's social controls.
The accommodation to private central banking was designed and coerced into being by those same bankers in a similar way to the current regulatory laws being written by the lobbyists for the business interests under regulation.
Simultaneously, consumer bankruptcy laws were being rewritten by predator banker lobbyists and despite the outrageous inequity of it, it now stands as law.
Whomever campaigns for president must be forced to address this continually expansive, self corrupting and criminal theft from American citizens and recognize it for the national emergency that it is.
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I would rather see this economy collapse than to see HALF of OUR Time, Labor, Money, Lives, and our children, USED by this EVIL economy to LIE, POISON, CORRUPT, INVADE, MURDER AND ROB our Planet of it's Life.
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ITA. The HORROR we all face is that this is like asking an OCD to stop being OCD. When the ultra-rich ruling elite obesessively masturbate, because they're scared shitless (mostly of the middling disgruntled masses who are becoming homeless everyday), the only spolution they are capable of is, masturbate some more.
We need adults not children in Congress, on Wall Street, in Corporate Boardrooms. But that's like wishing for rain in the Sahara. We need a revolution, armed if necessary because the rich aren't going to stop masturbating and they'll kill the rest of us to keep masturbating.
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How do I know this? For some reason I find myself on a mailing list which resulted in receiving a RMBS couse offer led by Ann Rutledge. Information is here: www.euromoneytraining.com
Download the course agenda, and note the Course Background section verbiage such as:
"..in the recent past, the U.S. subprime mortgage sector sunk into a credit crisis of unprecedented proportion."
"What went wrong and how to profit from the current situation?"
Long and short of it is that the US, and increasingly the global, economy is dependent on trying to create money out of nothing, profiting from losses, and doing no real work at all.
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Posted by: sre on Feb 5, 2008 10:37 AM
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All this means that wages are going down in comparison to prices. I actually make less than I did when I graduated from high school more than 40 years ago. To say that I'm disappointed is an understatement.
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"But we've had nearly full employment, or at least an official unemployment rate of under 5 percent, for years now, without the predicted gains."
Just as the Power Elite has defined a robust economy to ignore most of the population, they have also cooked the books when it comes to unemployment figures.
From what I've read, years ago, before the most recent administrations, the military was not included in the 'employed' catagory, but they are now. That additional two million-or-so kicks down the 'official' rate almost one percent all by itself. Also, the millions of discouraged unemployed who either have given up looking or those who are not searching through 'official' government agencies are not counted, again, improving the 'official' figure. Estimates are that if the unemployment rate were calculated as it was in the 60's or 70's, the actual rate would be closer to 10 percent, or perhaps higher.
If anybody wants an anecdotal feel for the actual unemployment rate, just spend the middle of a workday in a Home Depot or similar consumer building supply company and see all of the working-age men wandering about. Back a couple of decades ago, these places would have been ghost towns, except for independent contractors early in the morning and a few older retirees in the middle of the day. (Oh, and if anybody wants to get a feel for how our "almost recession" economy is affecting real people lately, check out Big Box stores' parking lots now. They're half-empty.)
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boom" is based on statistical fraud. There was no "boom"-- only inflation. We've been in a "recession" since the middle of last year. Bush can't imagine it away.
Increasing the money supply without producing anything is a formula for disaster. You want to "vote" and make it count? Buy precious metals. That's a vote against the financial scam Washington is trying to lay upon us.
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Would a psychiatrist refer to those diagnosed as suffering a psychotic break express it now as experiencing a "decoupling from reality" event? In this brave new world of "denial spin" happy talk babble that appears true.
It seems that we are not about confronting realities anymore and that it is far more efficacious just to create an "alternate reality" through redefining of terms and re-orienting basic understanding...in short...lie like rugs and deny deny deny.
At the heart of this "American mess" lies a generation (Baby Boomers) that never grew up, refuses to confront the issues, and considers a hybrid Escalade as "going green."
I am going out and get a copy of "Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" and get a good look at what's coming.
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IN OFFICE....( "AMERICA JUST LOVES THE HELL OUT OF OLD MAN REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS")RMEMEBER THOSE GOOD REAGEAN YEARS.....NEITHER DO I
I THINK THEY,LL KEEP THE WHOLE ECONOMIC TOWER
OF BABEL PROPED UP UNTIL THE ELECTIONS OVER THEN
THEYLL STILL BE TRYING TO TAX CUT AND FREE TRADE US OUT OF THE CORNER THEY PAINTED US INTO......LOOK FORWARD TO THE 2008 FOOL EMPLOYMENT ACT
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“If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about the answers.” - Thomas Pynchon
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Feb 8, 2008 11:44 AM
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On the other hand, I see a need to address some recurring superstitions posted in the Comments:
1. A. "As long as government and central banking have the exclusive power to control the value of money, (etc)"
And: B. "Buy precious metals.(etc)"
It is easy to blame monetary systems, but the fact is that we have had good times and bad with essentially the same system. The "X" factor is not a monetary system, since any form of money is nothing but artifice and represents nothing more than "I don't trust you". The difference factor is the greed -- what now seems the panic -- of the Investor Class, and their ongoing effort to corrupt or manipulate whatever can be found to keep the Niagra of Wealthy-fare flowing to the top 0.01%; the Greed Elite.
2. "Bean counters aren't corporate leaders for that very reason. They DO count the beans. The top guys who make ridiculous salaries don't like that."
The poster has forgotten what happened when the engineers and stylists were replaced by bean counters in the executive cadres of the Big Three automakers. That process took time, but was relatively complete by the end of the 1960s. After that, profits were increasingly funneled to investors, and The Street placed highest value on how much money was thus siphoned off, even if the value and future strength of the company was siphoned with it. Like embezzlers and addicts, the bean counters took "just a little taste"...
...promising that they'd turn it all around...um...tomorrow...yeah...tomorrow, for sure.
The Big Three began to lag behind their competitors in modernization, and concentrated on slogans to push increasingly crude, shoddy designs, even as they saw that the American Auto Industry was becoming a footnote and a punchline. As long as the philosophy is to take value, rather than build value, you are in the clutches of bean counters -- be they accountants or Wall Street Enablers -- and you will feed the cancer that grows in our Greed Culture.
3. "We need adults not children in Congress, on Wall Street, in Corporate Boardrooms. But that's like wishing for rain in the Sahara. We need a revolution, armed if necessary because the rich aren't going to stop....(etc)"
We do need real adults in Con-Grease; adults with courage like Kucinich. However, violent revolution is unlikely to help us. The unhappy fact of revolution is that you don't get to pick your revolutionary: Who succeeds in that game is a matter of political darwinism and pre-existing advantages on a profoundly nonlevel playing field. Never forget: There's always Blackwater -- urban-warfare trained -- to help the next dictator "restore order".
4. "Noam Chomsky responded to a question that addressed this very issue [....] by saying that the wealthy have figured out a way to decouple worker well-being from their profits, by pursuing things like speculative investing, which is really like gambling, with no relationship to real production or consumption. Speculative investing is limited to those who can financially afford to do it, and by doing it the wealthy can continue to make money while ignoring or harming the poor, doesn't matter if the rest of the population buys products or not. The fact that the wealthy pursue anti-worker, anti-poor policies even though they could, via speculative investing, continue to augment their wealth without directly harming the poor...(etc) "
Absolutely! Why have a one-sided class war, when a total war, on all fronts is so much more lucrative? If the poverty-ward slide of our middle class can be hastened in all quarters, there will eventually be fewer educated serfs to challenge the emerging class of princes and princesses.
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