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The Stimulus Swindle
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But here's the question: Why are we talking about "stimulus" only now? After all, most people have been hurting for quite a while. Paychecks have been stagnating, foreclosures have become commonplace, health care premiums continue their double-digit increases -- and up until recently, conservatives greeted such hardships with saccharine fantasy.
Following government reports showing a surge in income inequality, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson last year gushed that the economy is "as strong as I have seen it in any time." In the summer, as the housing crisis exploded, President Bush said the economy was "thriving." This month, as the Labor Department reported another drop in wages, Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.) said not to worry, her state is doing just great because "we have more people that are working longer hours, we have people that are working two jobs." And with word that there are now 195,000 homeless veterans nationwide, Bill O'Reilly insisted on Fox News that really, "there's not many [homeless veterans] out there."
Message: Nothing to see here. The economy is fabulous. Move along.
Lately, though, the rhetoric has switched. Paulson now says there is an "urgent need" for action, and President Bush is demanding a "stimulus" package from Congress.
And that gets us back to the critical question: Why the sudden shift? Because the group demanding help has changed.
Before, it was just commoners complaining -- regular homeowners, wage earners, troops coming home from Iraq, you know, the 99 percent of us who can't afford the thousand-dollar-a-plate political fundraisers.
But now Wall Street is panicking. In the last month, the financial industry's profit margins dropped thanks to mortgage defaults brought on by irresponsible lending. And when the corporate executives who underwrite campaigns start whining, politicians develop "stimulus" schemes using the blight of layoffs, foreclosures and wage cuts to justify tax cuts for those doing the laying off, foreclosing and wage cutting.
Specifically, most GOP presidential candidates are demanding corporate tax cuts as the "stimulus" to improve American competitiveness, ignoring a recent Treasury Department report noting that the United States already has among the lowest effective corporate tax rates in the developed world. Republicans like John McCain, fresh off a Merrill Lynch fundraiser, say we need not expand unemployment benefits and food stamps to help workers and give the economy a reliable Keynesian boost. No, they say we must hand over more cash to the same financial industry that just gave its executives $39 billion worth of year-end bonuses.
Leading figures of both parties seem eager to help limit the debate over "stimulus" and make the final package a corporate goodie bag. According to the Washington Post, Democratic Sen. Max Baucus (Mont.) asked economists affiliated with The Hamilton Project -- a Citigroup-backed think tank -- to testify to Congress at its initial hearings on a stimulus package. Labor economists, by contrast, were not invited.
You might think Citigroup's central role in creating the current financial crisis would disqualify it from influencing legislation addressing that crisis. But remember, Citigroup gives lavishly to Democratic politicians and pays Democratic financier Bob Rubin roughly $10 million a year as a top executive.
Not surprisingly, congressional Democrats appear poised to support a package stripped of increases in safety-net programs and comprised primarily of business tax cuts. This, even though experts agree the former would have an immediate economic impact and the latter will take at least six months to hit. As usual, We the People are told to wait patiently as moneyed interests claim their latest gift from Washington.
President Bush is undoubtedly pleased. He said he wanted "stimulus" built primarily on tax cuts and no new public investment -- more proof of his desire to win the Most Out of Touch President title from Herbert Hoover (at least Hoover proposed new infrastructure with the tax cuts he claimed would prevent the Great Depression).
Let's be clear: There's nothing inherently bad about Washington interacting with Big Business, and nothing conceptually wrong with "stimulus" as a concept. But as this recession intensifies, there's a big problem with politicians catering exclusively to Big Business and an even bigger problem with converting "stimulus" into yet another code word for "swindle."
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Posted by: Artkansas on Jan 25, 2008 9:07 AM
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» RE: Sutter :The Swindle : Another Trillion to Bail Out Banks ! ! !
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» $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS !
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Posted by: pb120669 on Jan 25, 2008 11:47 AM
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On what basis do you make this assertion? I think there is a long public record to suggest the the interaction to which you refer often literally translates into back-room deals, elimination of regulatory legislation, bribe, and the diversion of public tax revenues into the hands of a select few individuals -- incidentally, not the best and brightest our great nation has to offer.
This system is driven by the same effects which reinforce it. And the reinforcement leads to ever greater increases in inequity and disenfranchisement. It will fail, eventually. Unfortunately, many of us will be taken down in the process.
Good, solid business practices result in companies that don't need "assistance" from the government. Useful and helpful businesses will prosper and be profitable if they are efficient and fill a need.
I don't think we need to go out of our way as progressives to defend "Big Business's" right to "interact" with the government.
I agree with most of the rest of your points though. One addition: of course, the "stimulus package" will be more corporate welfare. What is needed, and only a viable, regular folks third party can give it to us, is an Economic Recovery Package to avert the disasterous consequences of effects of the last 3 decades' "perfect storm" of deregulation, corporate welfare, and government sell-off of public infrastructure properties.
Do you think the Democrat Party will give it to you?
The Oil Wars are coming.
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Posted by: yellow on Jan 25, 2008 11:57 AM
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» RE: Too late! The deal has been done.
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» RE: Another Trillion to bail out the Money Center Banks !
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» $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS !
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» RE: Another Trillion to bail out the Money Center Banks !
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» more horsesh*t
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» pfft! facts can be used to prove anything
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» So what was your point?
Posted by: yellow
» what does a taxi driver know about economics?
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» RE: what does a taxi driver know about economics? Plenty if he has an MA degree in PoliSci.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 25, 2008 2:22 PM
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Where are the editorials and columns about the role of debt-based currrency and the viability of a privately owned and operated Federal Reserve?
The Panic of 2008 is all about debt-based currency and the role of the Federal Reserve in (not) regulating the financial system.
Who will ask the tough but necessary questions:
-Why shouldn't we fire the Fed? and,
-What is the role of debt-based money in the rapacious destruction of our environment?
The Libertariann Right have their position on these matters; Where are the Progressives and Liberals ?
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» $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS ! Not 15 !
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» RE: $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS ! Not 15 !
Posted by: yellow
» RE: Debt Based Fractional Banking ... Conspicuous Consumption, Planned Obsolescence and the MIC.
Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: The Swindle is the Tax Payer Bailout ...
Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: The Swindle is the Tax Payer Bailout ...
Posted by: yellow
» RE: The Swindle is the Tax Payer Bailout ...
Posted by: mmckinl
» yellow doesn't acknowledge the effect of the fed
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: The Real Swindle : Goverment paying interest on it's own money !
Posted by: mmckinl
» "The Fed has no business using its interest rate policy to prop up financial markets."
Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: "The Fed has no business using its interest rate policy to prop up financial markets."
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» RE: "The Fed has no business using its interest rate policy to prop up financial markets."
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» curiously, yellow doesn't acknowledge the role of the fed
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» RE: curiously, yellow doesn't acknowledge the role of the fed
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» RE: curiously, yellow doesn't acknowledge the role of the fed
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» i'm left agast that he can't see that
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 25, 2008 2:38 PM
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The problem was the lackof regulation and oversight in the lending industry and in the high finance world. Shoddy subprime loans were bought up by investment banks and sold on to other investors as securities packages.
The mortgage brokers and appraisers colluded at one end to jack up home prices in order to earn higher commissions (or even as part of predatory lending schemes aimed at property seizure).
Then the loans, held by the commercial banks, were sold on to other speculators (investment banks). Goldman Sachs stands out here because they then, after moving the securities packages, bet against them - thereby avoiding the fate of Citigroup and many others. (That's why the Goldman Sachs CEO is looking at a $70 million bonus this year).
The closest thing in recent history is the Savings and Loan scandle of the mid 1980s - and then, just as now, the government stepped in to bail out the speculators who took a bath.
As to why this hasn't been discussed by the leading candidates... see Opensecrets on Goldman Sach's political donations.
Hillary Clinton (D-NY) $639,540
Jon S. Corzine (D-NJ) $583,870
George W. Bush (R) $528,049
Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) $458,440
Barack Obama (D-IL) $437,478
John Kerry (D-MA) $352,750
Bill Bradley (D) $323,550
Christopher J. Dodd (D-CT) $262,816
John Edwards (D) $224,400
Jack Ryan (R-IL) $218,161
Mitt Romney (R) $199,075
Rick A. Lazio (R-NY) $194,300
John McCain (R-AZ) $191,070
Alfonse M. D'Amato (R-NY) $189,150
Evan Bayh (D-IN) $161,650
Tom Daschle (D-SD) $158,500
Bill Clinton (D) $140,659
Robert Menendez (D-NJ) $138,250
Arlen Specter (R-PA) $133,850
Nita M. Lowey (D-NY) $129,790
covering all the bets...
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» RE: The Goldman Sachs swindle - bait and switch!
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» Goldman's a big player in precious metals
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» It is impossible to lie about inflation. Also most price increases are just more corporate gouging.
Posted by: yellow
» you make this up as you go, don't you?
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» You guys are the ones that make things up. Like the psuedo history of the FED you keep pushing.
Posted by: yellow
» your problem lies here
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» RE: your problem lies here
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» as far as 'you guys' and 'libertarians'
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Posted by: socialpsych on Jan 26, 2008 4:27 AM
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Posted by: ronheri on Jan 26, 2008 5:34 AM
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Jan 26, 2008 6:32 AM
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Besides, the economy needs stimulation NOW, not in June when these checks will finally start reaching large numbers of people. By then, we'll probably already be deeper into this recession than we already are.
Incidentally, do you think Bush got permission from China to borrow this money from them? ;-) Where else is he going to get it?
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 26, 2008 9:08 AM
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Posted by: barbs on Jan 26, 2008 10:28 AM
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and oh, yes, we'll have to borrow the money to send you because our government's coffers are empty.
but don't worry we'll just add it to the trillions of dollars in debt we already have..
gee, thanks...my grandchildren will appreciate it immensely.
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Posted by: billwald on Jan 26, 2008 10:40 AM
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It isn't just a rich/poor thing. Working people who have lived under their income and saved (invested) the difference will do OK and will be able to buy real estate when the crash comes. Big enough crash and maybe I will be able to move back into Seattle for my remaining years.
That being said, nothing short of a shooting revolution like the Russian and French revolutions will ever stop the transfer of assets from the working class to our owners.
The Revolution will be made much more diffcult because our owners have gotten much smarter. We don't know who they are because they now live a stye that blends in. From a distance, Bill Gates could have bought his suits at Penny's. In the old days our owners dressed formally.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jan 26, 2008 12:33 PM
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We used to call that investing in our future and we had it right . I believe many of our greatest works came about through Roosevelt's investing in America .
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Posted by: john henry on Jan 26, 2008 12:57 PM
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Posted by: carl baydala on Jan 26, 2008 4:36 PM
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Robert Scheer, in an article in Truthdig. Posted January 23, 2008.and posted elsewhere on this site states
"..It was smart of the top Democrats to cut presidential candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich out of that South Carolina debate, where they lamely attempted to deal with the dire consequences of the banking meltdown without confronting the banks. They made all the proper concerned noises about millions of folks losing their retirement savings and homes, but none was willing to say what Kucinich would have said: Bankers are crooks who will steal from the public unless the government holds them accountable."
I provide the about quote to show that Cleveland mayors have a history of fighting for the rights of their constituents and doing the right thing. Cleveland mayors appear to be men who stand out, and are capable of doing the right thing when it counts.
They do not mince words and take decisive and appropriate action. Hence, I provide you with this short Bloomberg video which is less than 5 minutes long. This is how the current mayor of Cleveland is handling the thousands of foreclosures in his city brought on by the questionable lending practices of the bankers.
How else are you going to fix a corrupt and inefficent system if the stewards of the financial system will not do it. Simple, you take them to court:
Here is a sample video of someone fighting back against the subprime fiasco ( Bloomberg.com 1/14/08 )
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jan 27, 2008 6:34 PM
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Oh I forgot - they need more tax breaks. The first ones just were not obscene or irresponsible enough.
So here we are. And with a package apparently to "help" those couples making "up to $178K" or thereabouts and singles making up to $78K or so. BUT this package does not increase the heating oil help allowance at all. It's obscene. Does not help those who make very little money - so what if they don't pay taxes - you try paying taxes on a $20K income. We will spend tax dollars on couples who make $178K but we are not increasing the heating oil allowance to help those who truly have needs.
Please, people - write to your Senator and tell him or her that this is just wrong. I for one would give my check so someone could have heating for the winter - it's obviously someone a lot less fortunate than me - maybe someone with diabetes, who got laid off, or something like that. Senate.gov - needs to hear from all of us who believe this is such an insensitive waste of taxpayer money to fund this and not fund anything that really has meaning and morals. Please write. If they don't hear from you they will keep on going with this amoral and indefensible plan.
They desperately need to hear from outraged taxpayers like us.
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Posted by: stina723 on Jan 28, 2008 9:40 AM
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Posted by: rjs on Jan 30, 2008 11:11 PM
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No cost of living increase - Answer, work more.
Food cost increases - Answer, work more.
Gasoline through the roof - Answer, work more.
No health care - Answer, work more.
Lost my home - Answer, work more.
The government supports the average person working 24/7. In fact, everyone in the house should be doing it. If the dog could work, the government would want it doing so.
This is how F...okay, mucked up this country is.
It is a "SIN" for a woman to stay home with the youngsters growing up. We shouldn't have good paying jobs with a single person in the home working. We are supposed to be working 3 Walmart jobs. Not just the husband, but the wife. 6 jobs total working 24/7.
I cannot believe that this is considered respectable. It is criminal. Longer hours, or two or three jobs.. This is just insanity and the elected officials do little to nothing while they rob the public blind.
I'm working three jobs, I'm not making it - Answer - Work more.
--rjs
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Posted by: Artkansas on Jan 25, 2008 9:07 AM
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Posted by: Sutter on Jan 25, 2008 10:18 AM
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» $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS !
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Posted by: pb120669 on Jan 25, 2008 11:47 AM
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On what basis do you make this assertion? I think there is a long public record to suggest the the interaction to which you refer often literally translates into back-room deals, elimination of regulatory legislation, bribe, and the diversion of public tax revenues into the hands of a select few individuals -- incidentally, not the best and brightest our great nation has to offer.
This system is driven by the same effects which reinforce it. And the reinforcement leads to ever greater increases in inequity and disenfranchisement. It will fail, eventually. Unfortunately, many of us will be taken down in the process.
Good, solid business practices result in companies that don't need "assistance" from the government. Useful and helpful businesses will prosper and be profitable if they are efficient and fill a need.
I don't think we need to go out of our way as progressives to defend "Big Business's" right to "interact" with the government.
I agree with most of the rest of your points though. One addition: of course, the "stimulus package" will be more corporate welfare. What is needed, and only a viable, regular folks third party can give it to us, is an Economic Recovery Package to avert the disasterous consequences of effects of the last 3 decades' "perfect storm" of deregulation, corporate welfare, and government sell-off of public infrastructure properties.
Do you think the Democrat Party will give it to you?
The Oil Wars are coming.
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Posted by: yellow on Jan 25, 2008 11:57 AM
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» RE: Too late! The deal has been done.
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» RE: Another Trillion to bail out the Money Center Banks !
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» $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS !
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» RE: Another Trillion to bail out the Money Center Banks !
Posted by: yellow
» more horsesh*t
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» pfft! facts can be used to prove anything
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» So what was your point?
Posted by: yellow
» what does a taxi driver know about economics?
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: what does a taxi driver know about economics? Plenty if he has an MA degree in PoliSci.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 25, 2008 2:22 PM
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Where are the editorials and columns about the role of debt-based currrency and the viability of a privately owned and operated Federal Reserve?
The Panic of 2008 is all about debt-based currency and the role of the Federal Reserve in (not) regulating the financial system.
Who will ask the tough but necessary questions:
-Why shouldn't we fire the Fed? and,
-What is the role of debt-based money in the rapacious destruction of our environment?
The Libertariann Right have their position on these matters; Where are the Progressives and Liberals ?
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» $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS ! Not 15 !
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» RE: $200 BILLIONS TO BAIL OUT THE BOND INSURERS ! Not 15 !
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» RE: Debt Based Fractional Banking ... Conspicuous Consumption, Planned Obsolescence and the MIC.
Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: The Swindle is the Tax Payer Bailout ...
Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: The Swindle is the Tax Payer Bailout ...
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» RE: The Swindle is the Tax Payer Bailout ...
Posted by: mmckinl
» yellow doesn't acknowledge the effect of the fed
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: The Real Swindle : Goverment paying interest on it's own money !
Posted by: mmckinl
» "The Fed has no business using its interest rate policy to prop up financial markets."
Posted by: mmckinl
» RE: "The Fed has no business using its interest rate policy to prop up financial markets."
Posted by: yellow
» RE: "The Fed has no business using its interest rate policy to prop up financial markets."
Posted by: mmckinl
» curiously, yellow doesn't acknowledge the role of the fed
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» RE: curiously, yellow doesn't acknowledge the role of the fed
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» RE: curiously, yellow doesn't acknowledge the role of the fed
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» i'm left agast that he can't see that
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 25, 2008 2:38 PM
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The problem was the lackof regulation and oversight in the lending industry and in the high finance world. Shoddy subprime loans were bought up by investment banks and sold on to other investors as securities packages.
The mortgage brokers and appraisers colluded at one end to jack up home prices in order to earn higher commissions (or even as part of predatory lending schemes aimed at property seizure).
Then the loans, held by the commercial banks, were sold on to other speculators (investment banks). Goldman Sachs stands out here because they then, after moving the securities packages, bet against them - thereby avoiding the fate of Citigroup and many others. (That's why the Goldman Sachs CEO is looking at a $70 million bonus this year).
The closest thing in recent history is the Savings and Loan scandle of the mid 1980s - and then, just as now, the government stepped in to bail out the speculators who took a bath.
As to why this hasn't been discussed by the leading candidates... see Opensecrets on Goldman Sach's political donations.
Hillary Clinton (D-NY) $639,540
Jon S. Corzine (D-NJ) $583,870
George W. Bush (R) $528,049
Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) $458,440
Barack Obama (D-IL) $437,478
John Kerry (D-MA) $352,750
Bill Bradley (D) $323,550
Christopher J. Dodd (D-CT) $262,816
John Edwards (D) $224,400
Jack Ryan (R-IL) $218,161
Mitt Romney (R) $199,075
Rick A. Lazio (R-NY) $194,300
John McCain (R-AZ) $191,070
Alfonse M. D'Amato (R-NY) $189,150
Evan Bayh (D-IN) $161,650
Tom Daschle (D-SD) $158,500
Bill Clinton (D) $140,659
Robert Menendez (D-NJ) $138,250
Arlen Specter (R-PA) $133,850
Nita M. Lowey (D-NY) $129,790
covering all the bets...
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» RE: The Goldman Sachs swindle - bait and switch!
Posted by: tkwilson
» Goldman's a big player in precious metals
Posted by: ReallyBearish
» It is impossible to lie about inflation. Also most price increases are just more corporate gouging.
Posted by: yellow
» you make this up as you go, don't you?
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» You guys are the ones that make things up. Like the psuedo history of the FED you keep pushing.
Posted by: yellow
» your problem lies here
Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» RE: your problem lies here
Posted by: yellow
» as far as 'you guys' and 'libertarians'
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Posted by: socialpsych on Jan 26, 2008 4:27 AM
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Posted by: ronheri on Jan 26, 2008 5:34 AM
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Jan 26, 2008 6:32 AM
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Besides, the economy needs stimulation NOW, not in June when these checks will finally start reaching large numbers of people. By then, we'll probably already be deeper into this recession than we already are.
Incidentally, do you think Bush got permission from China to borrow this money from them? ;-) Where else is he going to get it?
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 26, 2008 9:08 AM
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Posted by: barbs on Jan 26, 2008 10:28 AM
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and oh, yes, we'll have to borrow the money to send you because our government's coffers are empty.
but don't worry we'll just add it to the trillions of dollars in debt we already have..
gee, thanks...my grandchildren will appreciate it immensely.
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Posted by: billwald on Jan 26, 2008 10:40 AM
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It isn't just a rich/poor thing. Working people who have lived under their income and saved (invested) the difference will do OK and will be able to buy real estate when the crash comes. Big enough crash and maybe I will be able to move back into Seattle for my remaining years.
That being said, nothing short of a shooting revolution like the Russian and French revolutions will ever stop the transfer of assets from the working class to our owners.
The Revolution will be made much more diffcult because our owners have gotten much smarter. We don't know who they are because they now live a stye that blends in. From a distance, Bill Gates could have bought his suits at Penny's. In the old days our owners dressed formally.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jan 26, 2008 12:33 PM
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We used to call that investing in our future and we had it right . I believe many of our greatest works came about through Roosevelt's investing in America .
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Posted by: john henry on Jan 26, 2008 12:57 PM
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Posted by: carl baydala on Jan 26, 2008 4:36 PM
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Robert Scheer, in an article in Truthdig. Posted January 23, 2008.and posted elsewhere on this site states
"..It was smart of the top Democrats to cut presidential candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich out of that South Carolina debate, where they lamely attempted to deal with the dire consequences of the banking meltdown without confronting the banks. They made all the proper concerned noises about millions of folks losing their retirement savings and homes, but none was willing to say what Kucinich would have said: Bankers are crooks who will steal from the public unless the government holds them accountable."
I provide the about quote to show that Cleveland mayors have a history of fighting for the rights of their constituents and doing the right thing. Cleveland mayors appear to be men who stand out, and are capable of doing the right thing when it counts.
They do not mince words and take decisive and appropriate action. Hence, I provide you with this short Bloomberg video which is less than 5 minutes long. This is how the current mayor of Cleveland is handling the thousands of foreclosures in his city brought on by the questionable lending practices of the bankers.
How else are you going to fix a corrupt and inefficent system if the stewards of the financial system will not do it. Simple, you take them to court:
Here is a sample video of someone fighting back against the subprime fiasco ( Bloomberg.com 1/14/08 )
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Posted by: CommonDreamer on Jan 27, 2008 6:34 PM
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Oh I forgot - they need more tax breaks. The first ones just were not obscene or irresponsible enough.
So here we are. And with a package apparently to "help" those couples making "up to $178K" or thereabouts and singles making up to $78K or so. BUT this package does not increase the heating oil help allowance at all. It's obscene. Does not help those who make very little money - so what if they don't pay taxes - you try paying taxes on a $20K income. We will spend tax dollars on couples who make $178K but we are not increasing the heating oil allowance to help those who truly have needs.
Please, people - write to your Senator and tell him or her that this is just wrong. I for one would give my check so someone could have heating for the winter - it's obviously someone a lot less fortunate than me - maybe someone with diabetes, who got laid off, or something like that. Senate.gov - needs to hear from all of us who believe this is such an insensitive waste of taxpayer money to fund this and not fund anything that really has meaning and morals. Please write. If they don't hear from you they will keep on going with this amoral and indefensible plan.
They desperately need to hear from outraged taxpayers like us.
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Posted by: stina723 on Jan 28, 2008 9:40 AM
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Posted by: rjs on Jan 30, 2008 11:11 PM
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No cost of living increase - Answer, work more.
Food cost increases - Answer, work more.
Gasoline through the roof - Answer, work more.
No health care - Answer, work more.
Lost my home - Answer, work more.
The government supports the average person working 24/7. In fact, everyone in the house should be doing it. If the dog could work, the government would want it doing so.
This is how F...okay, mucked up this country is.
It is a "SIN" for a woman to stay home with the youngsters growing up. We shouldn't have good paying jobs with a single person in the home working. We are supposed to be working 3 Walmart jobs. Not just the husband, but the wife. 6 jobs total working 24/7.
I cannot believe that this is considered respectable. It is criminal. Longer hours, or two or three jobs.. This is just insanity and the elected officials do little to nothing while they rob the public blind.
I'm working three jobs, I'm not making it - Answer - Work more.
--rjs
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