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Warren Buffett to Congress: Keep Taxing the Mega-Rich
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Buffett invoked the historical roots of the estate tax, established in 1916 during the Gilded Age to put a brake on anti-democratic concentrations of wealth and power. "Dynastic wealth, the enemy of meritocracy, is on the rise," Buffett told the panel. "Equality of opportunity has been on the decline. A progressive and meaningful estate tax is needed to curb the movement of a democracy toward plutocracy."
As a result of the 2001 Bush tax cut, the federal estate tax is being phased out and in 2010 will be completely repealed for one year. But the entire tax bill sunsets in 2011, and unless Congress takes action, the estate tax will return. The votes no longer exist for "permanent repeal," so a compromise lies ahead.
Wealthy individuals and tax cutters have always disliked the estate tax, which they labeled the "death tax." In the mid-1990s, a group of superrich families began funding organizing efforts to abolish the tax, culminating with the passage of the 2001 legislation.
For the last decade, conservative tax cutters working to abolish the tax have had the upper hand, beating up Democrats for supporting a tax that they alleged "destroy family farmers and small businesses." They put forward these farmers and small business owners as the public face of their campaign, even though research and investigative reporting have vanquished these charges. Tom Buis, president of the National Farmers Union, representing 250,000 farmers, complained, "Family farmers and ranchers are insulted by those who use farmers as the reason for eliminating estate taxes, when the real beneficiaries are the nation's multimillionaires."
After a decade of false accusations and innuendo, Wednesday's hearing was the first opportunity to set the record straight as to who pays the estate tax, how much revenue it generates and why we should retain it. Senate Finance Chair Max Baucus, D-Mont., a supporter of abolishing the tax, conceded that the "99 times out of a hundred, the tale is worse than the tax."
Republican Chairman Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, complained that "the death tax" was "fundamentally wrong." Buffett responded that use of the phase "death tax" was "intellectually dishonest" and "clever, Orwellian and dead wrong."
Buffett pointed out that tax cuts of the last decade have enabled the superrich, including himself, to get richer. "Tax-law changes have benefited this superrich group, including me, in a huge way. During that time the average American went exactly nowhere on the economic scale: He's been on a treadmill while the superrich have been on a spaceship."
Buffett noted that only one in 200 households in the United States pays the tax, and they are exclusively multimillionaires and billionaires. "Leona Helmsley's dog, Trouble, reportedly is inheriting $12 million," Buffett quipped. Without an estate tax, "Trouble could instead receive $22 million."
Abolishing the estate tax will cost over a $1 trillion in lost revenue over the next 15 years. This would shift debt further onto future generations and low- and middle-income taxpayers.
With massive budget deficits and Democrats in control of Congress, the conversation is changing from "Should we abolish the estate tax?" to "How should we responsibly reform it?"
"The estate tax is not going away," acknowledged Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., who has led the effort to eliminate the tax. Those who have historically voted for repeal, like Kyl and Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark., are now putting forward "virtual repeal" proposals intended to gut the law. But these proposals cost almost as much as repeal.
The fight comes down to how high the wealth exemption will rise and how low the rate will be reduced. Currently estates valued under $2 million pay no estate tax and this amount is scheduled to rise to $3.5 million in 2009. That year, the tax rate comes down to 45 percent.
Raising the wealth exemption reduces the number of estates that pay the tax. But this doesn't help the superrich families that have bankrolled the repeal movement. They care about the rate reduction and advocate for dropping the rate down to 35 percent and even 15 percent. But as Bill Gates Sr. wrote in Politico, "This would mean handing out hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the wealthiest five out of every 1,000 citizens."
Coalitions working to preserve the estate tax are now coalescing around a "revenue neutral" estate tax reform that retains revenue lost from raising wealth exemptions by instituting progressive rate structures on estates over $10 million and $20 million.
Warren Buffett has a few lessons for Congress on tax priorities for the coming years. He supports making the tax system more progressive. To underscore the unfairness of the tax system, he recently offered a $1 million reward to any member of the Forbes 400 who could prove that they pay a higher tax rate than their personal assistants and secretaries. So far, he has had no takers.
"Keep the estate tax and its $24 billion," Buffett proposed. "There are 23 million households in the United States with $20,000 or less of income. … Let's give those 23 million households a $1,000 annual credit. ... The cost of this would be less than getting rid of the tax on less than 12,000 estates."
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Posted by: marid on Nov 19, 2007 4:01 AM
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Posted by: williameon on Nov 19, 2007 4:15 AM
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The Wheels of the Machine with money.
Other wise it will stop.
The Concentration of Wealth is so great
That we are headed straight for
A
DEPRESSION.
This is what really scares him.
That his Schlock might go down.
That the corrupt system that spawned him will stop.
And he might have to go to work just like me and you.
The Rich Cor‘pirate’ system.
Of massive Conglomerates
Are merely appendages of the Super Rich.
Billionaires-R-Us!
Who Slash, Burn and Enslave the World
In the name of GREED.
Greed once again has reared its ugly head.
When you have all the money in the world
Anything can be done.
Rig the system.
Control all information.
Enslave the Poor.
The same old story.
Will it ever change?
Produce endless propaganda Stars
And
Stink Tank
Disinformation Agents
Who Spew?
Endless:
Repetitive, Hypnotic, Conditioned
BU__! SH__!
The Grand Delusion!
Paid-three-idiotic religious
Zio-Fascist
Propaganda!
There is only one answer.
Shut it down!
NOW!
Before it is too late?
Bring our Militia home from
Dead Eye Dick’s Oil War.
We need all the protection we can get right here!
From
The Dark Army.
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 19, 2007 4:42 AM
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Imagine you're in your Gulfstream, Boeing, whatever, and suddenely, there's no air traffic controllers. Of course you'll have you own, but they'll be so disorganized, ya be crashing all day long.
You're in your Bugatti, Lambs, or a Maybach, going over a set of bridges that haven't been checked, worked on, and maybe a few more that the Minneapolis Bridge fall down on a daily basis, as it is in most poor nations.
An of course, the most important asset of all, your money. How safe you money would be if no FDIC or SEC existied, hell, you'll have Enron, Tyco, and little known S&L Loan Crisis under Regan happening every day.
This is only a few of a bunch of thing that can make you guys lose sleep every night!
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 19, 2007 4:46 AM
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As you see, no billionaire is going to take his challenge, and he's only laying a million on the table, scraps for him and the rest of the bunch!
He's saying to his pals, "Put your money where your mouth is!"
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Posted by: BalPatil on Nov 19, 2007 4:50 AM
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" "Let us clear from the ground the metaphysical or general principles upon which, from time to time, laissez-faire has been founded. It is not true that individuals possess a prescriptive "natural liberty" in their economic activities. There is no compact conferring perpetual rights on those who Have or on those who Acquire. The world is not so governed from above that private and social interest always coincide. It is not so managed here below that in practice they coincide. It is not a correct deduction from the Principles of Economics that enlightened self-interest always operates in the public interest. Nor is it true that self-interest generally is enlightened; more often individuals acting separately to promote their own ends are ignorant or too weak to attain even these. Experience does not show that individuals, when they make up a social unit, are always less clear-sighted than when they act separately."
That is the politics and economics of social justice.
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Posted by: peacelf on Nov 19, 2007 7:54 AM
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Since corporations gained "personhood" (that is, equal rights to human citizens), it has used its institutional powers to organize itself into a profit-machine. More specifically, corporations earned the right to own property, free speech, petition government, and influence and donate to campaigns through its employees and lobbyists.
These extraordinary rights are only exacerbated by the fact that a corporation can outlive its employees and owners, so it amasses wealth beyond this generation to the next and the next and even the next. In other words, the corporation subverts the estate tax by passing wealth on through corporations.
Moreover, the corporation has no conscience. The corporation then is the evil instrument by which normally ethical and moral people can become amoral in their quest for profit. If the corporation were human, it would be a nihilistic, narcissistic, megalomaniacal, greedy, anti-social person who'll do anything to make a profit.
Simply put, if Warren Buffet really cared about stopping the power and abuse of power of the extremely wealthy, then he would tell Congress to return corporation's power back to the days prior to corporate personhood. Then he should give all of his money to the poor and go live in a monastery.
peace
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Nov 19, 2007 8:07 AM
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Without high taxes, how will the government be able to keep arresting a million pot smokers every year? Who will fund the War on Drugs?
Without enough money, how will we be able to pay cops to raid porn stores and prevent demonstrators from gathering together in groups of two or more?
Without high taxes, how will we subsidize zillionaire farmers? Where will American corporations get the welfare they so desperately need?
Without high taxes, how can we pay for surveillance cameras on every corner, illegal wiretaps, internet surveillance, biometric ID cards and the other essential elements of the American police state, I mean, Homeland Security?
Yes, let's give the government all the money it asks for. Maybe it will spend some of it on those highly effective social programs we all love, like those wonderful public schools that are doing such a grand job of turning out bright, literate, knowledgeable young Americans.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 19, 2007 10:13 AM
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Substitute "rich" for "investors" and we can see an American political dynamic as fundamental as voting.
So long as the money being taken from investors by taxes was used to provide public services, the dynamic was not invidious. It provided a balance--of sorts.
The GOP upped the anty by not only letting the rich keep their money, as was true in the Gilded Age, but by also now using the money taken in by taxes to provide services for the rich.
GOP has been the party of the rich for the last 100 years. Americans like to think of ourselves as rich. So the GOP gets the votes of the dupes as well as those whose interests they represent.
So long as we continue to elect the rich to political office because we admire riches, we shall see no change--even though things are way out of wack.
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» Of course, Buffet just donated the bulk of his fortune to charity... unlike you.
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» If the Government "steals" when it taxes the rich don't you steal too when you employ $6/hour labor?
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Posted by: Moe Snodgrass on Nov 19, 2007 11:21 AM
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But what if we elected a common man to office? I imagine myself in that role. Would I be tempted by power and money? Probably, to some degree. I have been tempted in the past.
So the problem goes beyond wealth to the matter of integrity. Unfortunately, integrity is a difficult quality to truly estimate. All we can do is to make an estimate based on past performance.
There are those candidates, such as Nader and Kucinich who, although not perfect, demonstrate a tangible record of altruism and integrity. So why do they never get the traction they need to become electable?
Because they don't know how to sell altruism and integrity. The Right and Religious Right has spent the last fifty years using PR and networking to sell the public and their shell game (and amassing millions upon millions of dollars) and they won, no contest. Doesn't matter that their agenda is contrary to the well-being of the masses that have been conned by them. They sold it to the masses while the left was asleep at the wheel.
While the left sat on its hands assuming that their (relative) altruism and integrity would be a no-brainer to the voters, the unlikely Reagan, , Ford, Bush and Rove have been selling the public on the term "tax and spend liberals." And guess what? They won again, no contest.
Anyone remember Nader's satire of Mastercard's "Priceless" ads from the 2000 campaign? He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to allowing them to be broadcastc. Very effective commercials but Nader wanted to run on the altruism and integrity ticket without having first sold it to the public. It seems to me that Kucinich is largely guilty of the same fault and even worse, he vows never to run as a Green or an Independent.
Everything is sales and PR. Job interview? Sales and PR. Looking for an attractive mate? Sales and PR.
We'll get a democrat in 2008 but unfortunately Hillary or Obama are a far cry from Nader or Kucinich. We need to resist resting on our "laurels" of altruism and integrity and do a lot more sales and and PR.
Hopefully it won't take us the fifty years that the Right has successfully invested and won. But then again it's already been close to tens years since Nader's 2000 run.
Here's to Sales and PR before it's too late! I hope it isn't all ready too late.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM
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I wonder if the Senator from Arkansas that is for permanent estate tax repeal is taking her marching orders from Wal-Mart heirs?? They surely will benefit from a repeal.
One last thing, I am pretty sure there was an offer, an offer of significant money (just like for a soldier that served with Dubya in Alabama) to find a small business or family farm (maybe just farm) that was lost do to the estate tax. No one ever claimed that offer because it hasn't happened. No the small business or family farm gets sold because the younger generation (heirs) don't want to carry on with the same business/farm.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Nov 19, 2007 11:51 AM
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I was very surprised at the readability of this book - I kind of expected it to be dry and difficult to wade through, but it's compelling.
I'm sure there are many diverse interpretations of the rise of economic equality from the 1920s through the 1960s and its reversal, but this one is very convincing. It makes quite a case for taxing the outrageously wealthy few in order to benefit the middle class majority and turns conventional economic wisdom upsidedown.
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» Sounds easier to read than Kuttner's The Squandering of America. It is good but very convoluted.
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» If it's parked offshore, zero.
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Posted by: wsx on Nov 22, 2007 8:02 AM
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How much taxes does warren buffet pay today? He could easily make himself a highly paid employee at any of his companies so he could pay more income taxes but he doesnt.
How much taxes does he pay on his investments. Very little because they are designed and held in a way to avoid taxes.
How much taxes will he pay when he dies. Almost nothing. He is going to give most to Gates and set up billion dollar trusts for the kids.
People buy large life insurance policies in this country in the amount of their projected death tax payments so they can pass their worth on to the heirs. Do you know how much Buffet makes on those insurance policies?
Debate the issue either way but Buffet isnt the Oracle of death tax policy.
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Posted by: williameon on Nov 19, 2007 4:15 AM
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The Wheels of the Machine with money.
Other wise it will stop.
The Concentration of Wealth is so great
That we are headed straight for
A
DEPRESSION.
This is what really scares him.
That his Schlock might go down.
That the corrupt system that spawned him will stop.
And he might have to go to work just like me and you.
The Rich Cor‘pirate’ system.
Of massive Conglomerates
Are merely appendages of the Super Rich.
Billionaires-R-Us!
Who Slash, Burn and Enslave the World
In the name of GREED.
Greed once again has reared its ugly head.
When you have all the money in the world
Anything can be done.
Rig the system.
Control all information.
Enslave the Poor.
The same old story.
Will it ever change?
Produce endless propaganda Stars
And
Stink Tank
Disinformation Agents
Who Spew?
Endless:
Repetitive, Hypnotic, Conditioned
BU__! SH__!
The Grand Delusion!
Paid-three-idiotic religious
Zio-Fascist
Propaganda!
There is only one answer.
Shut it down!
NOW!
Before it is too late?
Bring our Militia home from
Dead Eye Dick’s Oil War.
We need all the protection we can get right here!
From
The Dark Army.
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 19, 2007 4:42 AM
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Imagine you're in your Gulfstream, Boeing, whatever, and suddenely, there's no air traffic controllers. Of course you'll have you own, but they'll be so disorganized, ya be crashing all day long.
You're in your Bugatti, Lambs, or a Maybach, going over a set of bridges that haven't been checked, worked on, and maybe a few more that the Minneapolis Bridge fall down on a daily basis, as it is in most poor nations.
An of course, the most important asset of all, your money. How safe you money would be if no FDIC or SEC existied, hell, you'll have Enron, Tyco, and little known S&L Loan Crisis under Regan happening every day.
This is only a few of a bunch of thing that can make you guys lose sleep every night!
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 19, 2007 4:46 AM
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As you see, no billionaire is going to take his challenge, and he's only laying a million on the table, scraps for him and the rest of the bunch!
He's saying to his pals, "Put your money where your mouth is!"
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Posted by: BalPatil on Nov 19, 2007 4:50 AM
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" "Let us clear from the ground the metaphysical or general principles upon which, from time to time, laissez-faire has been founded. It is not true that individuals possess a prescriptive "natural liberty" in their economic activities. There is no compact conferring perpetual rights on those who Have or on those who Acquire. The world is not so governed from above that private and social interest always coincide. It is not so managed here below that in practice they coincide. It is not a correct deduction from the Principles of Economics that enlightened self-interest always operates in the public interest. Nor is it true that self-interest generally is enlightened; more often individuals acting separately to promote their own ends are ignorant or too weak to attain even these. Experience does not show that individuals, when they make up a social unit, are always less clear-sighted than when they act separately."
That is the politics and economics of social justice.
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Posted by: peacelf on Nov 19, 2007 7:54 AM
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Since corporations gained "personhood" (that is, equal rights to human citizens), it has used its institutional powers to organize itself into a profit-machine. More specifically, corporations earned the right to own property, free speech, petition government, and influence and donate to campaigns through its employees and lobbyists.
These extraordinary rights are only exacerbated by the fact that a corporation can outlive its employees and owners, so it amasses wealth beyond this generation to the next and the next and even the next. In other words, the corporation subverts the estate tax by passing wealth on through corporations.
Moreover, the corporation has no conscience. The corporation then is the evil instrument by which normally ethical and moral people can become amoral in their quest for profit. If the corporation were human, it would be a nihilistic, narcissistic, megalomaniacal, greedy, anti-social person who'll do anything to make a profit.
Simply put, if Warren Buffet really cared about stopping the power and abuse of power of the extremely wealthy, then he would tell Congress to return corporation's power back to the days prior to corporate personhood. Then he should give all of his money to the poor and go live in a monastery.
peace
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Posted by: James W. Harris on Nov 19, 2007 8:07 AM
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Without high taxes, how will the government be able to keep arresting a million pot smokers every year? Who will fund the War on Drugs?
Without enough money, how will we be able to pay cops to raid porn stores and prevent demonstrators from gathering together in groups of two or more?
Without high taxes, how will we subsidize zillionaire farmers? Where will American corporations get the welfare they so desperately need?
Without high taxes, how can we pay for surveillance cameras on every corner, illegal wiretaps, internet surveillance, biometric ID cards and the other essential elements of the American police state, I mean, Homeland Security?
Yes, let's give the government all the money it asks for. Maybe it will spend some of it on those highly effective social programs we all love, like those wonderful public schools that are doing such a grand job of turning out bright, literate, knowledgeable young Americans.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 19, 2007 10:13 AM
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Substitute "rich" for "investors" and we can see an American political dynamic as fundamental as voting.
So long as the money being taken from investors by taxes was used to provide public services, the dynamic was not invidious. It provided a balance--of sorts.
The GOP upped the anty by not only letting the rich keep their money, as was true in the Gilded Age, but by also now using the money taken in by taxes to provide services for the rich.
GOP has been the party of the rich for the last 100 years. Americans like to think of ourselves as rich. So the GOP gets the votes of the dupes as well as those whose interests they represent.
So long as we continue to elect the rich to political office because we admire riches, we shall see no change--even though things are way out of wack.
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Posted by: HeroicLife on Nov 19, 2007 10:40 AM
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» Of course, Buffet just donated the bulk of his fortune to charity... unlike you.
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» If the Government "steals" when it taxes the rich don't you steal too when you employ $6/hour labor?
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Posted by: Moe Snodgrass on Nov 19, 2007 11:21 AM
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But what if we elected a common man to office? I imagine myself in that role. Would I be tempted by power and money? Probably, to some degree. I have been tempted in the past.
So the problem goes beyond wealth to the matter of integrity. Unfortunately, integrity is a difficult quality to truly estimate. All we can do is to make an estimate based on past performance.
There are those candidates, such as Nader and Kucinich who, although not perfect, demonstrate a tangible record of altruism and integrity. So why do they never get the traction they need to become electable?
Because they don't know how to sell altruism and integrity. The Right and Religious Right has spent the last fifty years using PR and networking to sell the public and their shell game (and amassing millions upon millions of dollars) and they won, no contest. Doesn't matter that their agenda is contrary to the well-being of the masses that have been conned by them. They sold it to the masses while the left was asleep at the wheel.
While the left sat on its hands assuming that their (relative) altruism and integrity would be a no-brainer to the voters, the unlikely Reagan, , Ford, Bush and Rove have been selling the public on the term "tax and spend liberals." And guess what? They won again, no contest.
Anyone remember Nader's satire of Mastercard's "Priceless" ads from the 2000 campaign? He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to allowing them to be broadcastc. Very effective commercials but Nader wanted to run on the altruism and integrity ticket without having first sold it to the public. It seems to me that Kucinich is largely guilty of the same fault and even worse, he vows never to run as a Green or an Independent.
Everything is sales and PR. Job interview? Sales and PR. Looking for an attractive mate? Sales and PR.
We'll get a democrat in 2008 but unfortunately Hillary or Obama are a far cry from Nader or Kucinich. We need to resist resting on our "laurels" of altruism and integrity and do a lot more sales and and PR.
Hopefully it won't take us the fifty years that the Right has successfully invested and won. But then again it's already been close to tens years since Nader's 2000 run.
Here's to Sales and PR before it's too late! I hope it isn't all ready too late.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM
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I wonder if the Senator from Arkansas that is for permanent estate tax repeal is taking her marching orders from Wal-Mart heirs?? They surely will benefit from a repeal.
One last thing, I am pretty sure there was an offer, an offer of significant money (just like for a soldier that served with Dubya in Alabama) to find a small business or family farm (maybe just farm) that was lost do to the estate tax. No one ever claimed that offer because it hasn't happened. No the small business or family farm gets sold because the younger generation (heirs) don't want to carry on with the same business/farm.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Nov 19, 2007 11:51 AM
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I was very surprised at the readability of this book - I kind of expected it to be dry and difficult to wade through, but it's compelling.
I'm sure there are many diverse interpretations of the rise of economic equality from the 1920s through the 1960s and its reversal, but this one is very convincing. It makes quite a case for taxing the outrageously wealthy few in order to benefit the middle class majority and turns conventional economic wisdom upsidedown.
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» Sounds easier to read than Kuttner's The Squandering of America. It is good but very convoluted.
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» If it's parked offshore, zero.
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» forget taxing the rich: pay the damn poor
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» I'm all for this plan. Redistribution would be unneeded if we distributed justly in the first place.
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Posted by: wsx on Nov 22, 2007 8:02 AM
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How much taxes does warren buffet pay today? He could easily make himself a highly paid employee at any of his companies so he could pay more income taxes but he doesnt.
How much taxes does he pay on his investments. Very little because they are designed and held in a way to avoid taxes.
How much taxes will he pay when he dies. Almost nothing. He is going to give most to Gates and set up billion dollar trusts for the kids.
People buy large life insurance policies in this country in the amount of their projected death tax payments so they can pass their worth on to the heirs. Do you know how much Buffet makes on those insurance policies?
Debate the issue either way but Buffet isnt the Oracle of death tax policy.
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