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U.S. Falls to No. 15 in Average Worker Income
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Sometime back it broadened statistically (for comparison purposes) the definition of the average workers in its member nations while trying to examine relative tax burdens. The result was "monumental," reckons Jacob Kirkegaard, an economist at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. The OECD ranked the after-tax income of the average worker in the United States as 15th among its member nations. The richest middle class, if measured in terms of the purchasing power of their income, was Britain.
That ranking would surprise most Americans, who likely consider their nation the most prosperous in the world.
In one fell swoop, OECD statisticians lowered the estimated income of the average American worker by more than 10 percent and raised average incomes of other rich nations by as much as 30 percent, notes Mr. Kirkegaard.
It may well be that the comparative US standard of living is slipping. The price of oil has risen more dramatically in the United States than in other nations because of the dollar's large devaluation.
The reason for the drop is also statistical. In the past, the OECD had been using a proxy for the middle class based on the "average production worker." This concept focused on full-time workers in the relatively declining manufacturing sector, which tends to be unionized in the US and better paid on average. The OECD's new measure is based on the "average worker," which captures all sorts of private-sector jobs including mining, utilities, construction, retail, hotel/restaurants, financial services, real estate, and other areas.
So this new system ought to provide a fairer comparison.
But 15th place?
Not likely, figures David Grubb, an OECD economist in Paris. He points out that the US and Canada included in the statistics that it sent to Paris the wages of nonsupervisory workers, and not those of higher paid supervisory workers and salaried professionals. When that statistical difference is corrected, the rank of the American middle class would move up from 15th. How far is uncertain.
In the newest OECD Economic Outlook, the average annual wage in the total economy of the US was $45,563 for 2005. That's exceeded only by Luxembourg, a wealthy banking duchy, with $50,634. Britain, Ireland, and Australia, are not far behind the US with incomes above $40,000.
The problem is that this is a measure of total wages, not just the middle class, and it includes the richest Americans whose incomes have risen enormously in recent years. Outside of Hungary, the US has the most extreme income inequality in the OECD.
Kirkegaard figures middle- and lower-income Americans are being squeezed by the flood of money going to the superwealthy. Democrats in Congress have the same view, and their tax proposals would shift the tax burden up the income ladder.
After the early 1990s, the incomes of "very well-off Americans increased much faster than those of both the middle class and the poor," figures Gary Burtless, an expert at the Brookings Institution in Washington. For example, top corporate officers got pay increases of 9.5 percent a year in the 1990s, on top of high levels to start with.
This doesn't mean that Middle America incomes have been entirely flat. An analysis by Terry Fitzgerald, an economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, concludes that a "broad swath of Middle America experienced notable hourly wage gains" since 1975. In other words, children can still assume they have a better living standard, on average, than their parents did. [Editor's note: The original version misidentified the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis economist.]
To reach that conclusion, Mr. Fitzgerald had to disentangle a "confusing web of data." Two data series on individual hourly wage rates showed little, or even negative, growth over the past 30 years. But labor income for the entire national economy was shown to have grown 39 percent in that time span.
To square this apparent contradiction, Fitzgerald applied to the two wage series a broader price index (personal consumption expenditures), which covers the basket of final goods and services that people consume each year. The new result: Average hourly earnings rose 10 percent, rather than declining 4 percent, from 1975 to 2005. Median hourly wages also rose 20 percent rather than 12 percent. Then he factored fringe benefits into the wage calculation, since they have become increasingly expensive and "contribute to workers' well-being."
That combination accounted for 28 percent of the 39 percent growth of total labor income. "This does not contradict the claim that wage inequality increased over this period - it did," writes Fitzgerald in a bank publication. In other words, the rich are still getting proportionately richer.
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It has only gotten worse in the years since.
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Any recent gains in US median income have chiefly gone to the top 1%. Most of the (remaining) middle class people I know are struggling harder every year to make ends meet, but this reality rarely makes it onto the MSM, which prefers to gasp in awe at the high-flying antics of the super-rich.
My heating oil costs are going up about 40% this winter, and outside of a very few brief news articles, I don't hear anyone in the MSM talking about the dire impact this will have -- certainly I'm not hearing anything about it from Washington.
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These local guys grumble about how hard things are getting, yet they still wave the flag and "s'port the prz'dent" at every opportunity.
The media and a dumbed-down education system: who ever managed a combination like this could be so toxic to a country's citizenry.
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My last job paid the highest gross pay of any job I've ever had (electrical engineer) and yet my disposable income fell dramatically. Now I've resigned that job and my COBRA is $765/mo for 2 people. Fuel costs are about to take off again, meaning heating, transportation, and therefore cost of goods will also rise.
The only aphorism that really applies to this situation starts out "The rich get richer, the poor....
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Wanna know how we're really doing? Look to the most vulnerable members of our society. If they're not at least minimally able to feed and shelter themselves, there's a problem. (They, in this case equals me.) costs have risen so much that vast numbers of the disabled, retired and the poor with children exist on the charity of the lower middle classes--since THEY are the ones who give to foodbanks, who take in their poorer relatives, who give a damn.
The wealthy go to the Cancer Society Balls--where the money is funneled into wealthy institutions so that researchers can have bigger grants. Yes, we need research, but THEY need people to research on, and we're dying off too fast to be of help to them. (Google my screen name without the numbers.) I could 'buy' extra years, if I could afford to spend 3 weeks in a city less than 125 miles away to participate in a clinical trial. Cost of trial are covered...I'd need shelter, food and transportation. The local 'extended stay hotels' where most of the temporarily radioactive in the studies (which work!!) reside? Weekly costs for two of the three needed weeks, shelter alone, is more than my Social Security check.
I need to run for Congress. With THEIR medical and retirement coverage, maybe I could manage to pay my bills and still eat AND have gasoline to get to the doctor...and, yeah, I do volunteer work (as much as I can) since I can't hold those 2 full time jobs I used to work.
When the elderly, the ill and poor children are the fulcrum upon which the balance of the economy is maintained, that economy is about to break.
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It appears they didn't do this so it would appear that we are even lower on the list...even if the supervisory workers were included.
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"One is the loneliest number..."
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It has only gotten worse in the years since.
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Any recent gains in US median income have chiefly gone to the top 1%. Most of the (remaining) middle class people I know are struggling harder every year to make ends meet, but this reality rarely makes it onto the MSM, which prefers to gasp in awe at the high-flying antics of the super-rich.
My heating oil costs are going up about 40% this winter, and outside of a very few brief news articles, I don't hear anyone in the MSM talking about the dire impact this will have -- certainly I'm not hearing anything about it from Washington.
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Let's see how far the US falls after taking that into consideration.
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These local guys grumble about how hard things are getting, yet they still wave the flag and "s'port the prz'dent" at every opportunity.
The media and a dumbed-down education system: who ever managed a combination like this could be so toxic to a country's citizenry.
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My last job paid the highest gross pay of any job I've ever had (electrical engineer) and yet my disposable income fell dramatically. Now I've resigned that job and my COBRA is $765/mo for 2 people. Fuel costs are about to take off again, meaning heating, transportation, and therefore cost of goods will also rise.
The only aphorism that really applies to this situation starts out "The rich get richer, the poor....
Everybody can finish that phrase.
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"They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective toward which all their deceit is directed is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection." ~Henry Wallace, former V.P. of the United States
Franklin D. Roosevelt said he didn't "want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of (World War II);" Harry Truman equated war profiteering with Treason, and Dwight D. Eisenhower warned that the military/industrial complex had the potential to "endanger our liberties and democratic processes."
"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." ~Alan Greenspan, September 16, 2007
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." ~Upton Sinclair
"The modern Conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy -- that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." ~John Kenneth Galbraith
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WARNING: Due to presidential executive orders and signing statements, and provisions passed by the previous Republican-controlled Congress, the National Security Agency may have read this posting, as well as and any other private correspondence of mine, and may listen to my private phone conversations without warrant, warning, or notice, and certainly without probable cause. They may also arrest me without telling me of any charges against me, even transport me outside the United States, and hold me secretly and indefinitely in an undisclosed location without notifying my wife or relatives, and deny me access to an attorney. They may take my property under the executive order of July 17, 2007, never to be returned. They may torture me without fear of penalty or repercussions to them for their actions. They may do all these things to me, or to you, with little or no judicial or legislative oversight. This danger became ever more apparent, and ominous, on Sept. 19, 2007, when the U.S. Senate failed to reinstate habeas corpus as an inalienable right of American citizens. I/We have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current president and vice-president, and voting to remove all rubber-stamp Republicans and neocons from office, as well as other elected officials acting only in their own interests instead of those of the People and the Constitution, be they occupying local, state, or national positions of authority.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Nov 15, 2007 10:27 AM
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Unfortunately for the powers that be, the financial crisis in the markets is not going to happen slowly.
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Posted by: aka_bozo on Nov 15, 2007 11:01 AM
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Thanks.
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Posted by: carcinoid112 on Nov 15, 2007 11:50 AM
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Wanna know how we're really doing? Look to the most vulnerable members of our society. If they're not at least minimally able to feed and shelter themselves, there's a problem. (They, in this case equals me.) costs have risen so much that vast numbers of the disabled, retired and the poor with children exist on the charity of the lower middle classes--since THEY are the ones who give to foodbanks, who take in their poorer relatives, who give a damn.
The wealthy go to the Cancer Society Balls--where the money is funneled into wealthy institutions so that researchers can have bigger grants. Yes, we need research, but THEY need people to research on, and we're dying off too fast to be of help to them. (Google my screen name without the numbers.) I could 'buy' extra years, if I could afford to spend 3 weeks in a city less than 125 miles away to participate in a clinical trial. Cost of trial are covered...I'd need shelter, food and transportation. The local 'extended stay hotels' where most of the temporarily radioactive in the studies (which work!!) reside? Weekly costs for two of the three needed weeks, shelter alone, is more than my Social Security check.
I need to run for Congress. With THEIR medical and retirement coverage, maybe I could manage to pay my bills and still eat AND have gasoline to get to the doctor...and, yeah, I do volunteer work (as much as I can) since I can't hold those 2 full time jobs I used to work.
When the elderly, the ill and poor children are the fulcrum upon which the balance of the economy is maintained, that economy is about to break.
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» You want to solve real social problems while simultaniously shrinking the economy...strange indeed!!
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Posted by: rtmyth on Nov 15, 2007 2:37 PM
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Posted by: frank69 on Nov 16, 2007 5:24 AM
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Posted by: drblack on Nov 16, 2007 9:56 AM
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It appears they didn't do this so it would appear that we are even lower on the list...even if the supervisory workers were included.
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Posted by: Ivann on Nov 16, 2007 10:49 AM
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