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Gap Kids: New Frontiers in Child Abuse
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But let's try to look at this dispassionately -- not as a human rights issue but as a PR disaster, ranking right up there with the 1982 discovery of cyanide in Tylenol capsules. Think of this as a case study in a corporate Crisis Communication course: How is The Gap handling the problem, and could it do better?
This is not the first time The Gap has been caught using child labor, but CEO Martha Hansen went on the air to state that the situation was "completely unacceptable" and that the company would "act swiftly." Two problems here: One, she failed to detail the actions. It would have been nice, for example, if she had announced that some of the top-producing child slaves would be reassigned to manage Gap outlets in American malls, and that the under-performers would be adopted by Angelina Jolie.
The other, more serious, problem is that she got defensive about child labor. This is the mistake Kathie Lee Gifford made in 1996. When accused of using child labor in Honduras to manufacture her Kathie Lee line of clothing, Gifford broke into tears on TV. Maybe Hansen meant to cover herself by saying that The Gap would not "ever, ever condone any child laborer making our garments" rather than saying the company does not condone child labor itself. We already knew, from the rubber pipes and oily cloths, that The Gap does not condone much from its child laborers.
Hansen underestimated the potential support for a full-throated defense of child labor. More and more American children are tried and punished as adults today. And the ubiquitous conservative pundit William Kristol will surely be enthusiastic, considering his recent -- though possibly facetious -- statement that "whenever I hear anything described as a heartless assault on our children, I tend to think it's a good idea."
The core of the argument, though, is that anyone who opposes child labor has not witnessed its opposite, which is child unemployment and idleness.
Hansen claims to be a mother herself, but I wonder how often she has returned home from a hard day in the C-suites to find her unemployed offspring Magic Marker-ing the walls and crushing the Froot Loops into the carpet. This is what jobless children do: They rub Crazy Glue into their siblings' hair; they spill apple juice onto your keyboard. Believe me, I see this kind of wantonly destructive behavior every day. Vandalism is a way of life for unemployed children, and they do not know the meaning of remorse.
In fact, corporate America should go further and make a strong statement against the sickening culture of dependency that has grown up around childhood. Why are jobless children so criminally inclined? Because they know that whatever damage they inflict, the Froot Loops will just keep coming. The Gap should portray its child-staffed factories as part of a far-seeing welfare-to-work program, which will eventually be extended to American children as well.
To appeal to American parents, our own child factories should be run more like Montessori schools, where the children are already encouraged to regard every one of their demented activities as "work." If they're going to pile up blocks and knock them down all day, then why not sew on buttons and bring home a little cash? But even American families will have to brace themselves for the inevitable cost cutting measures. First the cookies and milk may have to go, then, as in India, the toilets and beds. Wal-Mart has already pioneered the price-cutting defense of human rights abuses, and The Gap should follow suit.
The company can of course expect some lingering opposition. Just as there are vegetarians and pacifists, there will always be some men, for example, who would rather wear skirts than blue jeans impregnated with the excrement and tears of ten-year-olds. Well, let them shop at American Apparel or some other "sweat-free" vendor, and if they can't find anything there, let them wear dhotis. In a nation that cannot bring itself to extend child health insurance (SCHIP) to all children in need, child-made clothes make a fine fashion statement. And why not accessorize your denim jacket with a scarf derived from one of those oily cloths stuffed in weeping workers' mouths?
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Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Nov 2, 2007 4:37 AM
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Irony and Satire are such good tools in the hands of a good writer that it hurts to see them handled like a sledge hammer. The issue at hand is grave enough to use such a finer pen to comunicate it.
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Posted by: charlief on Nov 2, 2007 4:49 AM
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And the comment about the CEO's own children marking the walls and crushing froot loops into the carpet, WTF? Then there's: "I see this kind of wantonly destructive behavior every day. Vandalism is a way of life for unemployed children, and they do not know the meaning of remorse." What!? Can't we be serious here? This story shouldn't have been hijacked with sarcastic [or whatever it was] writing about under-achieving rich American kids - we hear enough about them every day. Hell, there's even one occupying the Presidency.
What is the point of these comments? Really. It's not like this subject isn't new - it's been practiced by many of the major name brands in the world using so-called EPZ's - for many years. And yet the fact it's still being practiced by the likes of GAP should shock most of us, not be an excuse for a frivolous, misdirected piece by one of the left's most respected writers [in the US anyhow].
I'm really saddened by this piece.
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Posted by: Leman on Nov 2, 2007 5:48 AM
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I'll go on a bit of an off-topic rant. I like heavy metal music (and many other styles as diverse as baroque, trance and Country Western - that's beside the point). I like its polished pop varieties like Def Leppard and Bon Jovi, it's heavier yet still shameless sell-out manifestations like Metallica and Slayer, its virtuoso drive-for-the-sake-of-drive pieces from Megadeth and I really love listening to unknown geniuses of Swedish black metal (no, it's not where they rap) on a local college radio station. Some of the pieces are delightfully complex and very advanced in terms of technique. But at some point you reach the threshold when a band is just throwing every trick in the bag in your face, trying to impress you with high-speed drumming, killer base roar, several guitars going on seemingly independent high-speed races and a "singer" pretending to be a rabid bear. This is when it becomes just annoying obnoxious noise.
I guess you can see where I am going with this. Witty writing is cool. Angry statements have their place. Sarcasm is great. And the author is clearly very good at all of the above. But take each of these to the extreme, throw it all together and you get another "masterpiece" from an obscure death metal label - a pile of annoying obnoxious noise, an incoherent mess of five peoples' virtuosity for the sake of making an impression.
Surprising, very surprising to hear to see such a thrash hit from this particular author.
I wonder what happened...
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I basically feel an angry numbness. Powerless to do much to change anything.
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Posted by: woodbee on Nov 2, 2007 7:10 AM
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They're also asking the guy that found this sweatshop to help them see if there are any more.
And maybe we could look at our own role in this. Do we really have to have that storage bin full of inexpensive clothes? I've always liked to have a lot of variety, but I don't look at buying them as a hobby like some people seem to do.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 2, 2007 7:34 AM
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There should be laws against child labor and parents who send their children into enslavement should be sterlized and forced to do the jobs they sent their children to do.
But we can not enforce laws in other countries/cultures.
BRING OUR MANUFACTURING BACK HOME. Let good old illegal aliens do it!
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Posted by: ksun77 on Nov 2, 2007 8:41 AM
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I am in favor of labelling in this country that rates: environmental status of the company, whether they pay a living wage, whether the product promotes sustainable future for the planet and our species, whether the packaging is appropriate, necessary and recyclable, how far the materials and products are shipped, and any number of critical data that will help consumers make bright choices about what they buy.
There are more ways to be capitalistic than some people think, and not all of them have to be so destructive.
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"I'm shocked---SHOCKED!"
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Posted by: DeAnander on Nov 2, 2007 1:35 PM
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it makes me want to puke. preferably on the plate glass. think I'll go take a few photos this weekend for my own blog, as the contrast between their fake humanitarianism and their actual practise is so more than usually sickening.
but hey folks, this is what you get when you sincerely believe in Ricardo's treacherous theory of Comparative Advantage.
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Posted by: newtype_alpha on Nov 2, 2007 4:07 PM
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The only thing you left out was the handwaving from professional pundits to the effect of "America loves low prices. If you get rid of child labor, consumers will feel the pinch!"
I can hear the spin from Wallstreet already: Surely we're all wise enough in the ways of economics to understand that those ten-year-old Indian kids are doing all the jobs that ten-year-old American kids just won't do; hell, our entire economy would collapse like like a Minnesota bridge without those sweatshops! Go ahead and turn your backs on child slavery, but just know that if you do, wages will stagnate, the housing bubble will burst, our country will end up trillions of dollars in debt and American money will be worth less than Canada's!
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Posted by: jaby on Nov 3, 2007 1:41 AM
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For good clothes made in a "fair practice" manner, try Fair Indigo or another such online retailer. There isn't tons of variety when it comes to fair-trade, organic, and/or hemp clothing, but neither is there much variety at the Gap.
Seriously, this couldn't have been anyone's first clue that the Gap sucks. Buy clothes elsewhere. Vote with your money, it is the only kind of voting that counts anymore.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 4, 2007 3:01 AM
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Plato preached to his minions in a society based on Slaves; Bush, Cheney, Friedman, Greenspan, Hagee, Rice (the roster is in millions (but still about 1% of the world, or 2% of the US) -- well, they preach to a country and among countries, based on Slavery. The delusion of the Demi-god is a requirement of office (in board-rooms and government).
And beware when they bring in British eminences to preach, that means they're worried and deferring to Mom. Germans, French, Swiss and Swedes? well they're useful for more practical concerns -- they don't preach too good.
The Gap? Clothes, Furniture, Fruits and Vegetables, Toys, Gas, Cars, TV's, Cell-phones, Ipods.... everything we consume has invisible threads that inevitably lead us to the same places and times. At this end, we're 'the blessed', at that end they're 'the condemned'; at this end we're the good; at that end they're the bad; at this end we are Virtue; at that end they are Selfishness; at this end we're Ayn; and that end they are Rand; at this end we are Spirit; at that end they are Flesh; at this end we are Pure; at that end they are Impure; at this end we are Health; at their end they are Disease; at this end we are Master; at that end they are Slave; at this end we are Steward; at that end they are Ship.
Who but the Elect and the Demi-gods can decide what each of us IS and what each of us can become or even where each of us came from?
This Class of Meta-physicians, Logicians, Mystics and Ascetics wants to Rule, has ruled and continues to rule. They self-identify as Masters (think about the various meanings of that word!); and Masters need Slaves (in their multiple forms of existence). No political system is able to Identify them - they are self-identified; least of all democracy! they have problems even with Monarchy!. But "conserving" what is, is ok by them -- by any means necessary. This hierarchy of slaves has worked reasonably well up to now, and most slaves are doing ok thank you! why rock the boat (us)?
And as society 'grows' in Extension, it also "grows' in Depth. As the Master becomes 'purer', the Slave too becomes 'purer'
When one of this Class utters the word "Freedom", he (or she) refers to the exact anti-thesis of this word to that other Class.
All through History, it's been actual flesh and blood real humans who have concocted and developed these theories and are darn good at it, one must say!. Democratic living now! we get to choose what 'master' (once again, check out a Thesaurus or a Dictionary for various interesting meanings) we want, for how long, and on what terms!!! Send those who believe themselves to be demi-gods back to their cloisters and cells and their luscious abodes to mutter and cackle and talk to themselves or others of their Class.
Among the many "life-styles" to lead these days is the democratic one. When one of their Class speaks, consider carefully what you hear; slavery as the basis of our society.
Let the Gap give account for it's "business model" (master as model!). I, for one, am past vomiting; I'm experiencing dry-heaves and stomach muscle soreness. How 'bout you? How're you doing? The 'tone' of the MSM and most of the Corporate Media in general is soothing, reverent, thank-ful, humble, and pious. They 'care' SO much! Thus Spake Zarathustra! But why? for whom? Why now? Where? They got the tone down pat, lots of practice! Democratic questions for the preachers of slavery.
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Posted by: sadashivan on Nov 14, 2007 10:33 PM
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Nearly 80% of garment and home furnishing exporters get production done through sub-contractors (fabricators). For exporters having own unit in urban cities is presently not viable due to lack of sufficient finance, incompetent production capacity, labor issues and expensive affair. Most exporters of urban cities outsource their production from small unorganized stitching and embroidery, button-hole (kaj) units located in either unauthorized or poor residential areas of the cities. For illiterate or semi-literate sub-contractors such places are convenient and cheaper to operate. Such areas are beneficial to avoid government attention, escape labor laws and other benefits too to cut cost of production.
A packed garment or home furnishing piece in the rack of a store of an importing country goes from many hands and stages from raw cotton, polyester or other fiber to finished and packing stage. If Garment export units are located in rural villages from where the workers migrate, would be of more help to them towards earning and avoiding children from child labor. Rather would help generating jobs in more areas of manufacturing accessories like; button, laces, threads, machine accessories, hand embroidery and etc;. Child labor (child labor and society)elimination depends on improving living standard of the parents. Avoiding contractors or subcontractors is minimizing extra cost would fetch more benefits to direct buyers and the garment workers. Finally, a unit with all manufacturing facility in rural village from weaving to packed shipment would fetch minimum 25% cost reduction.
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» somewhat true but then you couldn't afford to buy the clothes in the first place
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» I think it was one-sided because there's kind of only one side
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» In a few words- supply chain integrity
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» like with children's toys and dog food, right?
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» OK, I was afraid of that, the link doesn't work so I emailed the publisher to send me a text copy.
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» you can stop it when it does, if you are aware it is being used
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Posted by: El Hombre Malo on Nov 2, 2007 4:37 AM
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Irony and Satire are such good tools in the hands of a good writer that it hurts to see them handled like a sledge hammer. The issue at hand is grave enough to use such a finer pen to comunicate it.
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Posted by: charlief on Nov 2, 2007 4:49 AM
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And the comment about the CEO's own children marking the walls and crushing froot loops into the carpet, WTF? Then there's: "I see this kind of wantonly destructive behavior every day. Vandalism is a way of life for unemployed children, and they do not know the meaning of remorse." What!? Can't we be serious here? This story shouldn't have been hijacked with sarcastic [or whatever it was] writing about under-achieving rich American kids - we hear enough about them every day. Hell, there's even one occupying the Presidency.
What is the point of these comments? Really. It's not like this subject isn't new - it's been practiced by many of the major name brands in the world using so-called EPZ's - for many years. And yet the fact it's still being practiced by the likes of GAP should shock most of us, not be an excuse for a frivolous, misdirected piece by one of the left's most respected writers [in the US anyhow].
I'm really saddened by this piece.
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» Are you saddened by the kids in India as well? Wonder what the Fishers think...
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Posted by: Leman on Nov 2, 2007 5:48 AM
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I'll go on a bit of an off-topic rant. I like heavy metal music (and many other styles as diverse as baroque, trance and Country Western - that's beside the point). I like its polished pop varieties like Def Leppard and Bon Jovi, it's heavier yet still shameless sell-out manifestations like Metallica and Slayer, its virtuoso drive-for-the-sake-of-drive pieces from Megadeth and I really love listening to unknown geniuses of Swedish black metal (no, it's not where they rap) on a local college radio station. Some of the pieces are delightfully complex and very advanced in terms of technique. But at some point you reach the threshold when a band is just throwing every trick in the bag in your face, trying to impress you with high-speed drumming, killer base roar, several guitars going on seemingly independent high-speed races and a "singer" pretending to be a rabid bear. This is when it becomes just annoying obnoxious noise.
I guess you can see where I am going with this. Witty writing is cool. Angry statements have their place. Sarcasm is great. And the author is clearly very good at all of the above. But take each of these to the extreme, throw it all together and you get another "masterpiece" from an obscure death metal label - a pile of annoying obnoxious noise, an incoherent mess of five peoples' virtuosity for the sake of making an impression.
Surprising, very surprising to hear to see such a thrash hit from this particular author.
I wonder what happened...
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Nov 2, 2007 6:57 AM
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I basically feel an angry numbness. Powerless to do much to change anything.
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Posted by: woodbee on Nov 2, 2007 7:10 AM
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They're also asking the guy that found this sweatshop to help them see if there are any more.
And maybe we could look at our own role in this. Do we really have to have that storage bin full of inexpensive clothes? I've always liked to have a lot of variety, but I don't look at buying them as a hobby like some people seem to do.
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Posted by: veggiegrrrl on Nov 2, 2007 7:34 AM
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There should be laws against child labor and parents who send their children into enslavement should be sterlized and forced to do the jobs they sent their children to do.
But we can not enforce laws in other countries/cultures.
BRING OUR MANUFACTURING BACK HOME. Let good old illegal aliens do it!
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Posted by: ksun77 on Nov 2, 2007 8:41 AM
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I am in favor of labelling in this country that rates: environmental status of the company, whether they pay a living wage, whether the product promotes sustainable future for the planet and our species, whether the packaging is appropriate, necessary and recyclable, how far the materials and products are shipped, and any number of critical data that will help consumers make bright choices about what they buy.
There are more ways to be capitalistic than some people think, and not all of them have to be so destructive.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 2, 2007 8:42 AM
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"I'm shocked---SHOCKED!"
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Posted by: DeAnander on Nov 2, 2007 1:35 PM
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it makes me want to puke. preferably on the plate glass. think I'll go take a few photos this weekend for my own blog, as the contrast between their fake humanitarianism and their actual practise is so more than usually sickening.
but hey folks, this is what you get when you sincerely believe in Ricardo's treacherous theory of Comparative Advantage.
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Posted by: newtype_alpha on Nov 2, 2007 4:07 PM
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The only thing you left out was the handwaving from professional pundits to the effect of "America loves low prices. If you get rid of child labor, consumers will feel the pinch!"
I can hear the spin from Wallstreet already: Surely we're all wise enough in the ways of economics to understand that those ten-year-old Indian kids are doing all the jobs that ten-year-old American kids just won't do; hell, our entire economy would collapse like like a Minnesota bridge without those sweatshops! Go ahead and turn your backs on child slavery, but just know that if you do, wages will stagnate, the housing bubble will burst, our country will end up trillions of dollars in debt and American money will be worth less than Canada's!
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Posted by: jaby on Nov 3, 2007 1:41 AM
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For good clothes made in a "fair practice" manner, try Fair Indigo or another such online retailer. There isn't tons of variety when it comes to fair-trade, organic, and/or hemp clothing, but neither is there much variety at the Gap.
Seriously, this couldn't have been anyone's first clue that the Gap sucks. Buy clothes elsewhere. Vote with your money, it is the only kind of voting that counts anymore.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 4, 2007 3:01 AM
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Plato preached to his minions in a society based on Slaves; Bush, Cheney, Friedman, Greenspan, Hagee, Rice (the roster is in millions (but still about 1% of the world, or 2% of the US) -- well, they preach to a country and among countries, based on Slavery. The delusion of the Demi-god is a requirement of office (in board-rooms and government).
And beware when they bring in British eminences to preach, that means they're worried and deferring to Mom. Germans, French, Swiss and Swedes? well they're useful for more practical concerns -- they don't preach too good.
The Gap? Clothes, Furniture, Fruits and Vegetables, Toys, Gas, Cars, TV's, Cell-phones, Ipods.... everything we consume has invisible threads that inevitably lead us to the same places and times. At this end, we're 'the blessed', at that end they're 'the condemned'; at this end we're the good; at that end they're the bad; at this end we are Virtue; at that end they are Selfishness; at this end we're Ayn; and that end they are Rand; at this end we are Spirit; at that end they are Flesh; at this end we are Pure; at that end they are Impure; at this end we are Health; at their end they are Disease; at this end we are Master; at that end they are Slave; at this end we are Steward; at that end they are Ship.
Who but the Elect and the Demi-gods can decide what each of us IS and what each of us can become or even where each of us came from?
This Class of Meta-physicians, Logicians, Mystics and Ascetics wants to Rule, has ruled and continues to rule. They self-identify as Masters (think about the various meanings of that word!); and Masters need Slaves (in their multiple forms of existence). No political system is able to Identify them - they are self-identified; least of all democracy! they have problems even with Monarchy!. But "conserving" what is, is ok by them -- by any means necessary. This hierarchy of slaves has worked reasonably well up to now, and most slaves are doing ok thank you! why rock the boat (us)?
And as society 'grows' in Extension, it also "grows' in Depth. As the Master becomes 'purer', the Slave too becomes 'purer'
When one of this Class utters the word "Freedom", he (or she) refers to the exact anti-thesis of this word to that other Class.
All through History, it's been actual flesh and blood real humans who have concocted and developed these theories and are darn good at it, one must say!. Democratic living now! we get to choose what 'master' (once again, check out a Thesaurus or a Dictionary for various interesting meanings) we want, for how long, and on what terms!!! Send those who believe themselves to be demi-gods back to their cloisters and cells and their luscious abodes to mutter and cackle and talk to themselves or others of their Class.
Among the many "life-styles" to lead these days is the democratic one. When one of their Class speaks, consider carefully what you hear; slavery as the basis of our society.
Let the Gap give account for it's "business model" (master as model!). I, for one, am past vomiting; I'm experiencing dry-heaves and stomach muscle soreness. How 'bout you? How're you doing? The 'tone' of the MSM and most of the Corporate Media in general is soothing, reverent, thank-ful, humble, and pious. They 'care' SO much! Thus Spake Zarathustra! But why? for whom? Why now? Where? They got the tone down pat, lots of practice! Democratic questions for the preachers of slavery.
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Posted by: tsukiyomi07 on Nov 3, 2007 10:31 PM
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Posted by: sadashivan on Nov 12, 2007 11:53 PM
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Posted by: sadashivan on Nov 14, 2007 10:33 PM
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Nearly 80% of garment and home furnishing exporters get production done through sub-contractors (fabricators). For exporters having own unit in urban cities is presently not viable due to lack of sufficient finance, incompetent production capacity, labor issues and expensive affair. Most exporters of urban cities outsource their production from small unorganized stitching and embroidery, button-hole (kaj) units located in either unauthorized or poor residential areas of the cities. For illiterate or semi-literate sub-contractors such places are convenient and cheaper to operate. Such areas are beneficial to avoid government attention, escape labor laws and other benefits too to cut cost of production.
A packed garment or home furnishing piece in the rack of a store of an importing country goes from many hands and stages from raw cotton, polyester or other fiber to finished and packing stage. If Garment export units are located in rural villages from where the workers migrate, would be of more help to them towards earning and avoiding children from child labor. Rather would help generating jobs in more areas of manufacturing accessories like; button, laces, threads, machine accessories, hand embroidery and etc;. Child labor (child labor and society)elimination depends on improving living standard of the parents. Avoiding contractors or subcontractors is minimizing extra cost would fetch more benefits to direct buyers and the garment workers. Finally, a unit with all manufacturing facility in rural village from weaving to packed shipment would fetch minimum 25% cost reduction.
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