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Shocking: 18 Years on and Exxon Still Won't Pay $2.5 Billion for Valdez Oil Spill
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The second painful blow was the high court's decision to not even hear our reasons why the award should be restored to the full $5 billion that a jury of peers decided was necessary to punish the corporate giant back in 1994.
While media pundits, lawyers, and scholars play the Supreme Court's decisions back and forth like a ping-pong ball, people in Cordova share a completely different perspective of this story. It's not about whether the Supreme Court should hear the case. To us, it's about justice and reparation -- making us whole, a promise Exxon made to the community five days after the spill. A promise that Exxon broke before the trial even started five years after the spill.
To us, it's about more than an oil spill, the world's largest oil corporation, and a small fishing community in Alaska. It's about America's failed legal system that inherently cannot dispense justice in the face of corporate globalization.
U.S. corporations have outgrown America's justice system. The system won't work for any community in America that is traumatized by disaster that triggers class action lawsuits -- hurricanes like Katrina, terrorist acts like 9/11, or oil spills like the Exxon Valdez. Yet sociologists warn such disasters will be a hallmark of the 21st century.
People in Cordova wonder how this happened and why our legal system no longer metes out justice. When did "punitive" stop meaning to punish? If the original punitive award of $5 billion was sufficient to change corporate behavior why was Exxon the last corporation to double hull its oil tankers to reduce risk of future spills rather than the first?
Why shouldn't Exxon be expected to pay to clean up its mess, pay penalties for breaking laws, compensate victims for losses, and pay punitive damages? This is what responsible corporations do -- and it's certainly what Americans expect.
The spilled oil -- somewhere between 11 to 38 million gallons (the figure is elusive because as we learned the hard way, the truth was one of the first casualties of the spill) -- created a big mess and broke a lot of federal laws. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Exxon paid $2.5 billion for its cleanup and another $1 billion for penalties. But, it might surprise people who live outside Alaska to learn that taxpayers, not Exxon, paid a majority of that bill. Exxon recouped most of its remaining expense from its insurance companies and from money it paid to settle damages for natural resources -- publicly-owned wildlife and lands.
Further, Exxon rewarded its primary cleanup contractor, formerly VECO, with a cost-plus contract that acted like steroids, bulking up this small-time oilfield service contractor into one of the biggest -- spending, pro-oil lobbyists in the state -- until its fall from grace this year under charges of federal bribery, conspiracy, and more. You may have heard of the ongoing FBI investigation that is sweeping Alaska's politicians -- from state legislators to congressional delegates -- into its widening net.
While that's another story, it serves to illustrate what our justice system deems "good corporate behavior" worthy of consideration to reduce its punitive award.
We ask all of you who share in the cost of this cleanup and the devastation of this spill: How could Exxon fool seemingly everyone into believing that the Sound is now clean, wildlife recovered, and fishing back to "normal"?
How could they fool everyone? Because the reality goes against the "good corporate behavior" meme Exxon has pushed for now nearly two decades in the courts, in the media, and in Congress.
This is our world, our reality: Three of Cordova's five fish processors (canneries) went bankrupt after the spill. The largest one never recovered, leaving the town with not enough capacity to buy and process large salmon returns like this year. Further, the town lost it's only locally owned and operated processor cooperative, leaving fishermen with fewer resources to leverage high grounds prices for their catch. The town tumbled from its ranking as one of the top ten seaports in the nation, based on harvest value, to 53rd after the delayed, spill-related pink salmon and herring population collapses in 1992 and 1993.
The salmon recovered; the herring did not. The herring fisheries are closed indefinitely. Fishermen who held $300,000 commercial fishing permits for salmon and/or herring fisheries at the time of the spill now own pieces of paper worth around 10 percent their former value -- that is, the fishers who did not go bankrupt, lose their permit in foreclosures, take a loss and sell out, die, or commit suicide. Fishermen who buy into the fisheries now pay less for the privilege and expect less in return, while the spill survivors deal with ever mounting debt on permits that the fisheries no longer supports -- and in many cases that exceeds their individual share of the punitive award at the full $5 billion.
This is our world, our "normal."
I am a Survivor of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. I owned and fished a salmon drift permit in Prince William Sound until I sold out after the fish run collapses in the early 1990s. I have a stake in the Exxon Valdez litigation. But so, in a sense, does every American. Here's why.
No other country in the world has a legal system that is as adversarial, costly, formal and complex as the United States system. At its core the American legal process is an adversarial system that pits disputing parties against each other before an impartial judge. Justice is "a zero-sum game," meted out through punishment of the guilty to make the injured whole.
If the Exxon Valdez case is a harbinger of litigation to come, it does not bode well for people, civic society, or the environment. In this case, simply put, a giant corporation used its wealth to aggressively drive up legal expenses and to reduce, delay, and eliminate payment of awards to spill victims for more than 18 years and counting. By so doing, the giant corporation denied justice to thousands of people. In this case, the corporation is Exxon Mobil, but other giant corporations that do battle on class action turf wield similar weapons.
The forces of aggression released and sanctioned by the American judicial system are horrific -- no one leaves the field unscathed. Psychiatrist Larry Strasburger noted, "Although it may be that we have exchanged swords and cudgels for subpoenas and depositions, an aura of combat continues to hover about the judicial process, and combat produces casualties."
Psychologists found that adversarial litigation emotionally "arrests" disaster-scarred survivors, forcing them to keep the disaster trauma alive and present. This blocks the normal progression of recovery phases from a stress response and holds disaster-litigants hostage until case closure.
Further, litigation generates new trauma, so-called "Litigation Response Syndrome," with symptoms similar to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and General Anxiety Disorder. For disaster-litigants, this amounts to a double helping of stress. It scars even "successful" litigants-those who eventually prevail.
Sociologists Drs. Steve Picou and Duane Gill have studied the evolution of disaster trauma in Cordova since the spill. They report a third of the fisher-claimants in Cordova suffer from clinical depression, nearly 40 percent from PTSD, and 60 percent hold off-season jobs to make ends meet. This is now -- 18-plus years after the spill. Further, they found the stress level attributable to litigation in fisher and Alaska Native claimants is nearly as high as the initial level from the spill.
If American class action lawyers were medical doctors, they would be disbarred for violating the Hippocratic oath: "Do no more harm."
The American justice system is predicated on several underlying assumptions, most of which are not valid in adversarial litigation, as we in Cordova discovered.
Equal treatment under the law? Not possible when those with money use it to influence the laws and public perception, or manipulate courts of law to make punishment moot.
Impartial judges? Not possible when judges are human and often former corporate lawyers.
Decisions based on whole truth and facts? Not even close: Jurors receive only selective information from judges or court masters as gatekeepers, and facts are grossly distorted through corporate-sponsored "science."
Further, when cases extend into decades, unanticipated long-term injury to people and ecosystems often becomes evident along with science linking harm to the original disaster, as was the case with the Exxon Valdez spill. The mechanism to understand the delayed fish collapses in Prince William Sound was not proven until six years after the collapse -- well after the trial was over. Fishers and Alaska Natives were never compensated for this unanticipated, long-term harm.
Another gross oversight of the American judicial system is that it fails to respond to a very basic human dimension of litigation: process. It turns out the process of dispute resolution is a key determinant in "making people whole."
Studies show that the thing parties want most is a process that allows them to participate, seeks to merit their trust, and treats them with dignity and respect. It should not surprise any person that victims who are humans, too, care a great deal about how they are treated beyond the amount of money they may pay or receive and that accountability is important. Yet in class action litigation, individual litigants often feel violated by the very process they are given to make them whole.
Just as the aftermath of war is not simply peace, so too, the aftermath of a disaster, especially one with toxic exposures, is not simply money. But money is all that the adversarial system can deliver to some-at the expense of justice for all who were injured.
As we learned in Cordova, it is flat impossible to expect the American punitive justice system to "make anyone whole." Perhaps it is time for Americans to question whether the adversarial litigation system is really the best way to ascertain truth, insure fairness, and dispense justice.
If the goal of our justice system is to make people whole, then the process should focus on restoring harmony to injured parties and communities with retribution for harm agreed upon through a non-adversarial mediated process. In other words, we need a restorative justice system rather than a punitive one.
And, we in Cordova offer some suggestions for rebuilding our American justice system.
First, post-disaster disputes could be minimized during preliminary planning and scoping of projects by negotiated, legally-binding agreements -- now that we are better informed of the ecological and human costs of disaster.
Second, financial incentives and rules could be created to encourage dispute resolution through non-adversarial negotiated settlements. Such techniques have proven successful even for disasters involving toxic exposure.
Third, incentives could be created to shorten litigation timelines by eliminating mechanisms that reward profits through stalling.
Fourth, if punitive damages are to be effectively applied, then they must be linked with corporate profits rather than compensatory damages and they should be shared not only among victims, but also among the injured communities to rebuild areas devastated by disaster.
In Cordova, we hope that it is just a matter of time before these suggestions or other similar ones are demanded by professionals, activists, and victims fed up with the American "injustice system."
We know that change will have to come from each of us, as there is little hope that the Supreme Court, or any other branch of the current judicial system, will take it upon itself to keep from doing more harm to those it was designed to protect.
This article was adapted from the forthcoming book Not One Drop: Promises, Betrayal, and Courage in the Wake of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill (Chelsea Green, 2008).
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Nov 5, 2007 3:07 AM
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gotta get this settled while gwb is still in the whitehouse!
just like loggers and coal companies: rape and pillage of communities is just another ongoing result of the selling of america. the land of the free corporate pass.
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» ...and voting Demon-crat changes the status quo...
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 5, 2007 3:21 AM
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 5, 2007 3:50 AM
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You can too, by putting leins on their property goods and land holdings till they cry uncle! Get a good hungry young Barrister, go talk to a Judge! AND STOP USING THEIR BLASTED OIL!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 5, 2007 4:27 AM
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Will the Bush Justice Department do the right thing and force them to pay? I don't have to answer that question for you, do I? But here is something you need to know, a Clinton Justice Department won't hold them accountable either. It's as simple as that.
So what to do? We have the power to put Exxon out of business! Don't buy there! Get the word out! If we wanted to, we could turn Exxon into Exxoff. All you have to do is, the next time you're runnin' low and you need a fill up, go to Citgo instead. I know! I know! Hugo Chaves is not a saint, but wouldn't you rather he get the money than those pampered Saudi Shieks who have been screwing their people For how many years?? And don't forget, a lot of them financed September 11, 2001.
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Tom Degan
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"The Rant" by Tom Degan
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» RE: DON'T BUY EXXON.......Agree.......but where do you or anyone think you are
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» Who owns Exxon, again? Where do the profits go?
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» Wellington, Barclays, Vanguard, State Street... the "usual suspects"
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» RE: Who owns Exxon, again? Where do the profits go?
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» THE PEOPLE OWN IT.
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» I'm sorry, too!
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» So what
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Posted by: Katou on Nov 5, 2007 4:41 AM
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» NO JUSTICE?????
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Posted by: packofwolves on Nov 5, 2007 4:54 AM
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» Something is amiss. Its called SANITY.
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» EXXON TURNED IT'S BACK???
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Posted by: PJAW on Nov 5, 2007 4:55 AM
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Much of what has gone wrong with America began with the election of the B-movie actor who declared, "government is not the solution, government is the problem". Once in office, he proved just what he had claimed, and his successors have gone on to do nothing but worsen the situation.
I really wish that I could believe that the people of Cordova will receive some measure of justice, but there's nothing to inspire such a belief. That's not a surrender, just an acknowlegement that we've been losing ground in the battle and now must fight even harder if we're to save any semblance of the dream that was described in our constitution.
It's said that a fish rots from the head, and nothing could be more descriptive of our current government. If you're not yet a part of the fight, join right now and push hard for impeachment of the theiving bastards we have running this country. And don't even think about relaxing once that's done, we really need to put some people in jail this time and remove them forever from government.
I really hope that the people of Cordova prevail, but that's their fight, you certainly have one in your own backyard that needs your attention. The only way you can lose for certain is to fail to engage in the battle. I hope everyone shares in my gratitude to the people of Cordova who are facing this monster and refuse to give in.
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Posted by: underledge on Nov 5, 2007 5:22 AM
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Posted by: Rune on Nov 5, 2007 6:25 AM
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So, you see, the system is working just as intended in this case. Too bad the fishing industry was larger and more capital intensive. They might have had a chance in hell.
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Posted by: Casey Burns on Nov 5, 2007 7:28 AM
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Our judicial system is in total failure, which is how they have been allowed to drag this out for so long. And will again with the next Tanker on the Rocks. And again. And again. And again.
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» Wait until they die. But Exxon is IMMORTAL.
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» HERE'S HOW
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» ready and willing, comrade!
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Nov 5, 2007 8:13 AM
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It's a crucial point, too, because the right has recently made a mantra out of "tort reform," trying to appeal to middle America's disdain for lawyers, in order to serve their own corporate agenda. For the left, it would a endlessly losing battle, I think, to fight this tactic by trying to defend the current legal system as fine... to say that nothing really needs done except a bit of tweaking. You can say that truthfully about Social Security, maybe, but about the legal system? That would be insane.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 5, 2007 8:30 AM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 5, 2007 8:39 AM
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Ala. Court Cuts $3.6B Verdict Vs. Exxon, Nov 1 2007
"In 2003, a Montgomery jury agreed with the state's arguments that Exxon Mobil intentionally underpaid, and it returned a verdict of $102.8 million in compensatory damages and $11.8 billion in punitive damages.
Circuit Judge Tracy McCooey cut the punitive damages to $3.5 billion, which dropped the total verdict to $3.6 billion. Even after the verdict was cut, it was still the largest in the country that year, according to the annual rankings by the National Law Journal and VerdictSearch.
In Thursday's decision, the majority of the Supreme Court said the state failed to prove fraud by Exxon Mobil and no punitive damages were due.
The court left compensatory damages for breach of contract and sent the case back to circuit court to determine what interest might be due the state on the $51.9 million.
The court split along party lines, with its eight Republican justices siding with the oil company and the court's the lone Democrat dissenting."
The Supreme Court has been loaded up with Bush appointees, thanks to the fraudulent 2000 election (in which, it must be noted, Ralph Nader played a key supporting role for G.W. Bush by working overtime to attack and split the Democratic vote.) The Supreme Court also played a key role in that selection with their 5-4 vote that handed the victory to G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
As far as the comments about "Don't Buy Exxon" - their profits go to the same cartel of investment funds and banks that owns all the other major international oil corporations, from Chevron to ConocoPhillips to BP to Shell, and Exxon itself markets its refined products through a maze of shell and holding companies with names like "Valero" - so it's pretty hard to know what you're buying.
Don't use fossil fuels, period. That's the real issue here. That and the new era of the robber baron - controlled Supreme Court.
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Posted by: willymack on Nov 5, 2007 8:56 AM
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» There's no such thing as "The Alaskan Oil Pipeline Fund"
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 5, 2007 9:01 AM
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Posted by: JSquercia on Nov 5, 2007 9:04 AM
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If I were a betting man my money would be on the Court ruling in Exxon's favor . This is the reason we MUST elect a Democrat to the Presidency because as was once said " the good that men do is interred with them while the evil lies on forever " . This describes the Supreme Court . We are retrurning to those days when the Rich used the Courts to stop any progressive efforts . The courts recently turned aside a 80 years of history regarding Corporations setting Minimum prices and said that this should now be decided on a case by case basis . This means as the Exxon case proves the little guy will be overmatched should he try to use the court system .
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Posted by: type22003 on Nov 5, 2007 11:15 AM
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 5, 2007 11:46 AM
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I am starting to see writing letters and organizing Democrats and peaceful protesting- as doing more harm than good-it gives people something to do to give them the illusion that they are doing something that will make any difference.
I think the smart people have already left America. I think it is down to get out or get your guns.
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Posted by: alleybear on Nov 5, 2007 12:16 PM
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This is the consequence of past decisions. I do not condemn these decisions, but, if you are unhappy, I encourage you to make new decisions.
What type of decisions? Not so much picking around the edges by targeting specific wrong-doing corporations, as much as decisions affecting the fundamental playing field that corporations have created over the years to their benefit.
So the first decision I encourage you to make is to objectively and dispassionately educate yourself on the playing field corporations have created. Once enough people have done that, then effective decisions can be made on how to transform that playing field to benefit more people than are currently benefitting. Right now, only the corporations know all the rules so they are the ones benefitting. Right now only the corporations fully know the leverage and pressure points in our political, judicial and economic tectonic plates, to make the earth shake in their favor.
Get busy! Get smart! Get effective!
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Posted by: Cathyc on Nov 5, 2007 2:02 PM
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Huh???
Its my understanding of the American Health System (and I have yet to see Michael Moore's SICKO) that doctors do harm their patients as a matter of routine!
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» RE: Do No Harm?
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Posted by: magcroft on Nov 5, 2007 3:26 PM
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» Exactly - To Not Be Held Accountable
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 5, 2007 4:18 PM
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When Exxon Mobil can spend $37 Billion of it's $38 Billion in profits last year buying back it's own stock we see the senseless waste of this resource and their obscene hypocrisy in crying broke or hardship after the disaster they created in Alaska..
There is much to all this but if we were to Nationalize of Oil Industry we would be able to cut costs by 30-40% create an economic boom across the board for every American and still have near if not more than $60 Billion per year every year for technological advancement and alternate energy source development as well as engine design and breakthroughs and perhaps even fusion...
Imagine $60 billion per year to technology and also infrastructure oil and transportation..infrastructure...
We must seek bold real solutions this is one that answers so many of our problems and might even evade wasteful stupid greed driven corporate fascist wars..
All the most successful or most internationally are state run oil entities which can still be and are traded as commodities as well..
Why are we straddled with this 19th Century robber baron system and design..?
Spread the word and idea that We The People should control and own and run the America oil Industry and cut out these ghoulish greed ridden middleman Texas Oil criminals robbing us blind..
This will be our future but only after millions if not billions die for what...oil..?
Stupid, as stupid as Bush and greed and hypocrisy always is..
Nationalize the American Oil industry...!
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» THEY ALREADY TRIED THAT.....
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» explain yourself
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» "Let's take their cash and invest it"
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» Big Oil has done enough theft. They might as well be divested.
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Posted by: Chloe2005 on Nov 5, 2007 5:44 PM
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» BUY LOCALLY
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» Ah, but you could afford it.
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Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Nov 5, 2007 6:42 PM
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Posted by: gellero on Nov 5, 2007 7:13 PM
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What did you get out of the Tobacco Settlement Scam ( Democratic sponsored)???.....NOTHING except higher prices for cigarettes..........disproportionally born by the underclass......Blacks & Hispanics........But this is what's known as PROGRESSIVE DOUBLETHINK.
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Posted by: slydad on Nov 5, 2007 7:30 PM
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It's health related.
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» Sorry, cracker!
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» Whatayaexpectfromatroll?
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Posted by: wisegalah on Nov 6, 2007 1:19 AM
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Disband the court system and introduce a system in which the truth can be established. The adversarial system is supported by the legal profession because is enables them to milk the system for every penny without regard for truth, principle or the slightest twinge of conscience.
What is needed is a new approach in which a prelimary hearing is held. In such a hearing all evidence is presented to an examining magistrate who has wide powers to call in defending and prosecuting lawyers, to examine defendants, and experts and witnesses.
At this stage lawyers can be prosecuted if they withhold or delay relevant information whether is be prejudicial to their side of the case or not.
Finally the examining magistrate presents all of the evidence to a higher court for determination.
Appeals will be granted only if new evidence is presented again to the examining magistrate for analysis.
In this way all court officials including the lawyers are to work in the service of the truth instead of working to subvert the truth in the service of their only object of loyalty the dollar.
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Posted by: higginslads on Nov 6, 2007 12:26 PM
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For those who are interested in doing something constructive about our current state of affairs, please call your representative and urge them to support Mr. Kucinich's bill. The Capitol switchboard is:
1-800-828-0498
1-800-862-5530
1-800-833-6354
Just ask the operator for your representative's office. If you don't know it, tell her/him where you live and she/he will look it up. Once transferred to your representative's office, politely tell the person who answers the phone that you urge your representative to support Kucinich's articles of impeachment against the vice president. You will probably be asked for your name and address.
I just did this. It's the first time I had ever called my representative (Rodney Frelinghuysen in NJ). It was easy and I felt better after doing it.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 9, 2007 10:41 AM
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seriously. I'm already horrified reading the title without the emotion-laiden HeadsUp.
but then, did we *ever* think they'd pay?
really?
I mean, I'm sure they've spent nearly the same amount keeping the Busheviks in power...
Try scanning through the pages of GreenPeace.
just say'n.
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Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 10, 2007 1:14 PM
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Also please review all comments and rate them I think rating skewed by a couple of late adding commenters who take the pro Exxon point of view like galero for example.
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Posted by: haohao on Nov 10, 2007 6:41 PM
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WoW Powerleveling
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 12, 2007 12:26 AM
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What are we to do now? Put a clear majority of democrats in both houses of congress and then demand the impeachment of all of the republican supreme court judges. Even Roosevelt didn't achieve that. After all they want this to happen before George the second goes out of office. After we throw out the supreme court, we just nationalize Exxon-Mobil. Then we can finish cleaning up their mess with their money.
And there shall be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Posted by: KaptainSpiffy on Nov 5, 2007 3:07 AM
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gotta get this settled while gwb is still in the whitehouse!
just like loggers and coal companies: rape and pillage of communities is just another ongoing result of the selling of america. the land of the free corporate pass.
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 5, 2007 3:21 AM
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 5, 2007 3:50 AM
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You can too, by putting leins on their property goods and land holdings till they cry uncle! Get a good hungry young Barrister, go talk to a Judge! AND STOP USING THEIR BLASTED OIL!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 5, 2007 4:27 AM
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Will the Bush Justice Department do the right thing and force them to pay? I don't have to answer that question for you, do I? But here is something you need to know, a Clinton Justice Department won't hold them accountable either. It's as simple as that.
So what to do? We have the power to put Exxon out of business! Don't buy there! Get the word out! If we wanted to, we could turn Exxon into Exxoff. All you have to do is, the next time you're runnin' low and you need a fill up, go to Citgo instead. I know! I know! Hugo Chaves is not a saint, but wouldn't you rather he get the money than those pampered Saudi Shieks who have been screwing their people For how many years?? And don't forget, a lot of them financed September 11, 2001.
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» Who owns Exxon, again? Where do the profits go?
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» THE PEOPLE OWN IT.
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Posted by: Katou on Nov 5, 2007 4:41 AM
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Posted by: packofwolves on Nov 5, 2007 4:54 AM
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Posted by: PJAW on Nov 5, 2007 4:55 AM
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Much of what has gone wrong with America began with the election of the B-movie actor who declared, "government is not the solution, government is the problem". Once in office, he proved just what he had claimed, and his successors have gone on to do nothing but worsen the situation.
I really wish that I could believe that the people of Cordova will receive some measure of justice, but there's nothing to inspire such a belief. That's not a surrender, just an acknowlegement that we've been losing ground in the battle and now must fight even harder if we're to save any semblance of the dream that was described in our constitution.
It's said that a fish rots from the head, and nothing could be more descriptive of our current government. If you're not yet a part of the fight, join right now and push hard for impeachment of the theiving bastards we have running this country. And don't even think about relaxing once that's done, we really need to put some people in jail this time and remove them forever from government.
I really hope that the people of Cordova prevail, but that's their fight, you certainly have one in your own backyard that needs your attention. The only way you can lose for certain is to fail to engage in the battle. I hope everyone shares in my gratitude to the people of Cordova who are facing this monster and refuse to give in.
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Posted by: underledge on Nov 5, 2007 5:22 AM
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Posted by: Rune on Nov 5, 2007 6:25 AM
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So, you see, the system is working just as intended in this case. Too bad the fishing industry was larger and more capital intensive. They might have had a chance in hell.
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Posted by: Casey Burns on Nov 5, 2007 7:28 AM
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Our judicial system is in total failure, which is how they have been allowed to drag this out for so long. And will again with the next Tanker on the Rocks. And again. And again. And again.
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Posted by: war_on_tara on Nov 5, 2007 8:13 AM
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It's a crucial point, too, because the right has recently made a mantra out of "tort reform," trying to appeal to middle America's disdain for lawyers, in order to serve their own corporate agenda. For the left, it would a endlessly losing battle, I think, to fight this tactic by trying to defend the current legal system as fine... to say that nothing really needs done except a bit of tweaking. You can say that truthfully about Social Security, maybe, but about the legal system? That would be insane.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 5, 2007 8:30 AM
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Nov 5, 2007 8:39 AM
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Ala. Court Cuts $3.6B Verdict Vs. Exxon, Nov 1 2007
"In 2003, a Montgomery jury agreed with the state's arguments that Exxon Mobil intentionally underpaid, and it returned a verdict of $102.8 million in compensatory damages and $11.8 billion in punitive damages.
Circuit Judge Tracy McCooey cut the punitive damages to $3.5 billion, which dropped the total verdict to $3.6 billion. Even after the verdict was cut, it was still the largest in the country that year, according to the annual rankings by the National Law Journal and VerdictSearch.
In Thursday's decision, the majority of the Supreme Court said the state failed to prove fraud by Exxon Mobil and no punitive damages were due.
The court left compensatory damages for breach of contract and sent the case back to circuit court to determine what interest might be due the state on the $51.9 million.
The court split along party lines, with its eight Republican justices siding with the oil company and the court's the lone Democrat dissenting."
The Supreme Court has been loaded up with Bush appointees, thanks to the fraudulent 2000 election (in which, it must be noted, Ralph Nader played a key supporting role for G.W. Bush by working overtime to attack and split the Democratic vote.) The Supreme Court also played a key role in that selection with their 5-4 vote that handed the victory to G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
As far as the comments about "Don't Buy Exxon" - their profits go to the same cartel of investment funds and banks that owns all the other major international oil corporations, from Chevron to ConocoPhillips to BP to Shell, and Exxon itself markets its refined products through a maze of shell and holding companies with names like "Valero" - so it's pretty hard to know what you're buying.
Don't use fossil fuels, period. That's the real issue here. That and the new era of the robber baron - controlled Supreme Court.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Nov 5, 2007 9:04 AM
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If I were a betting man my money would be on the Court ruling in Exxon's favor . This is the reason we MUST elect a Democrat to the Presidency because as was once said " the good that men do is interred with them while the evil lies on forever " . This describes the Supreme Court . We are retrurning to those days when the Rich used the Courts to stop any progressive efforts . The courts recently turned aside a 80 years of history regarding Corporations setting Minimum prices and said that this should now be decided on a case by case basis . This means as the Exxon case proves the little guy will be overmatched should he try to use the court system .
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 5, 2007 11:46 AM
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I am starting to see writing letters and organizing Democrats and peaceful protesting- as doing more harm than good-it gives people something to do to give them the illusion that they are doing something that will make any difference.
I think the smart people have already left America. I think it is down to get out or get your guns.
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Posted by: alleybear on Nov 5, 2007 12:16 PM
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This is the consequence of past decisions. I do not condemn these decisions, but, if you are unhappy, I encourage you to make new decisions.
What type of decisions? Not so much picking around the edges by targeting specific wrong-doing corporations, as much as decisions affecting the fundamental playing field that corporations have created over the years to their benefit.
So the first decision I encourage you to make is to objectively and dispassionately educate yourself on the playing field corporations have created. Once enough people have done that, then effective decisions can be made on how to transform that playing field to benefit more people than are currently benefitting. Right now, only the corporations know all the rules so they are the ones benefitting. Right now only the corporations fully know the leverage and pressure points in our political, judicial and economic tectonic plates, to make the earth shake in their favor.
Get busy! Get smart! Get effective!
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Posted by: Cathyc on Nov 5, 2007 2:02 PM
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Huh???
Its my understanding of the American Health System (and I have yet to see Michael Moore's SICKO) that doctors do harm their patients as a matter of routine!
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Nov 5, 2007 4:18 PM
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When Exxon Mobil can spend $37 Billion of it's $38 Billion in profits last year buying back it's own stock we see the senseless waste of this resource and their obscene hypocrisy in crying broke or hardship after the disaster they created in Alaska..
There is much to all this but if we were to Nationalize of Oil Industry we would be able to cut costs by 30-40% create an economic boom across the board for every American and still have near if not more than $60 Billion per year every year for technological advancement and alternate energy source development as well as engine design and breakthroughs and perhaps even fusion...
Imagine $60 billion per year to technology and also infrastructure oil and transportation..infrastructure...
We must seek bold real solutions this is one that answers so many of our problems and might even evade wasteful stupid greed driven corporate fascist wars..
All the most successful or most internationally are state run oil entities which can still be and are traded as commodities as well..
Why are we straddled with this 19th Century robber baron system and design..?
Spread the word and idea that We The People should control and own and run the America oil Industry and cut out these ghoulish greed ridden middleman Texas Oil criminals robbing us blind..
This will be our future but only after millions if not billions die for what...oil..?
Stupid, as stupid as Bush and greed and hypocrisy always is..
Nationalize the American Oil industry...!
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Posted by: gellero on Nov 5, 2007 7:13 PM
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What did you get out of the Tobacco Settlement Scam ( Democratic sponsored)???.....NOTHING except higher prices for cigarettes..........disproportionally born by the underclass......Blacks & Hispanics........But this is what's known as PROGRESSIVE DOUBLETHINK.
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It's health related.
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Posted by: thelostsailor on Nov 6, 2007 12:13 AM
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Where are the jedi.....
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Posted by: wisegalah on Nov 6, 2007 1:19 AM
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Disband the court system and introduce a system in which the truth can be established. The adversarial system is supported by the legal profession because is enables them to milk the system for every penny without regard for truth, principle or the slightest twinge of conscience.
What is needed is a new approach in which a prelimary hearing is held. In such a hearing all evidence is presented to an examining magistrate who has wide powers to call in defending and prosecuting lawyers, to examine defendants, and experts and witnesses.
At this stage lawyers can be prosecuted if they withhold or delay relevant information whether is be prejudicial to their side of the case or not.
Finally the examining magistrate presents all of the evidence to a higher court for determination.
Appeals will be granted only if new evidence is presented again to the examining magistrate for analysis.
In this way all court officials including the lawyers are to work in the service of the truth instead of working to subvert the truth in the service of their only object of loyalty the dollar.
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Posted by: higginslads on Nov 6, 2007 12:26 PM
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For those who are interested in doing something constructive about our current state of affairs, please call your representative and urge them to support Mr. Kucinich's bill. The Capitol switchboard is:
1-800-828-0498
1-800-862-5530
1-800-833-6354
Just ask the operator for your representative's office. If you don't know it, tell her/him where you live and she/he will look it up. Once transferred to your representative's office, politely tell the person who answers the phone that you urge your representative to support Kucinich's articles of impeachment against the vice president. You will probably be asked for your name and address.
I just did this. It's the first time I had ever called my representative (Rodney Frelinghuysen in NJ). It was easy and I felt better after doing it.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 9, 2007 10:41 AM
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seriously. I'm already horrified reading the title without the emotion-laiden HeadsUp.
but then, did we *ever* think they'd pay?
really?
I mean, I'm sure they've spent nearly the same amount keeping the Busheviks in power...
Try scanning through the pages of GreenPeace.
just say'n.
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Posted by: whealeydj on Nov 10, 2007 1:14 PM
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Also please review all comments and rate them I think rating skewed by a couple of late adding commenters who take the pro Exxon point of view like galero for example.
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Posted by: haohao on Nov 10, 2007 6:41 PM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 12, 2007 12:26 AM
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What are we to do now? Put a clear majority of democrats in both houses of congress and then demand the impeachment of all of the republican supreme court judges. Even Roosevelt didn't achieve that. After all they want this to happen before George the second goes out of office. After we throw out the supreme court, we just nationalize Exxon-Mobil. Then we can finish cleaning up their mess with their money.
And there shall be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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