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For U.S. Workers, Vacation Is Vanishing
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Not so in America. For us, August conjures up no particular feelings of anticipation or relief. If August means anything to us, it's heat. Not the European heat: the this-is-perfect-Speedo-weather type of heat; but rather the dreadfully familiar how-will-I-hide-my-sweat-stains-around-my-armpits-at-the-office heat.
The reason why August has so little meaning to American workers is because Americans don't take vacations any more. According to a Conference Board poll taken in May, 40% of Americans had no plans to take any sort of summer vacation this year -- the worst showing in the poll's 28 years.
Indeed vacation time has been slowly disappearing for American workers ever since the Reagan revolution, which ushered in a violent shift in corporate culture away from the paternalistic post-New Deal model towards the current stock-price-is-God model. According to Harvard economist Juliet Schor, in the 30 years before Reagan's presidency American workers were getting more and more vacation time; however, in the 1980s, that trend suddenly reversed. By the time Reagan left office, Americans got three-and-a-half fewer days off per year, on average.
And the trend has only worsened. By 2003, according to a Boston College study, 26% of America's workers took no vacation time at all. This year, as the Conference Board survey shows, that number looks set to continue rising. Why don't Americans take vacations? For one thing, fewer and fewer companies offer their workers paid time off. In 1998, 5% of America's companies didn't offer paid vacation; by 2003, the figure had risen to 13%. According to the government's Bureau of Labor Statistics, today a full quarter of American workers get no paid vacation time, while another 33% only get a week.
As middle America's workers continue to see their leisure time stripped away from them, guess where that time, that scarce resource, winds up? You can find the answer in a Forbes magazine article, Billionaires On Vacation, dated September 19 2002:
From the ski slopes of Aspen and Gstaad to the beaches of Mustique and the Hamptons, instead of staying at a resort many billionaires (and millionaires) prefer to own multiple homes around the world - partly because it's always nicer to sleep in your own bed and partly because, well, they can.
All of this might be infuriating, in a kind of white-collar, Wigan Pier sort of way, if it weren't for the fact that the designated victims in this drama - America's workers - are such willing collaborators in their own existential demise. According to a New York Times article, British workers get more than 50% more paid holiday per year than Americans, while the French and Italians get almost twice what the Americans get. The average American's response is neither admiration nor envy, but rather a kind of sick pride in their own wretchedness, combined with righteous contempt for their European worker counterparts, whom most Americans see as morally degenerate precisely because they have more leisure time, more job security, health benefits and other advantages.
It's like a classic case of East Bloc lumpen-spite: middle Americans would rather see the European system collapse than become beneficiaries themselves. If there is one favourite recurring propaganda fable Americans love to read about Europeans, it's the one about how Europe is decaying and its social system is on the verge of imploding; we Americans pray for that day to come, with even more fervour than we pray for the End of Days, because the very existence of these pampered workers makes us look like the suckers and slaves we really are. This is why you won't see Bono or Sir Bob Geldof rallying the bleeding-hearts anytime soon on behalf of America's workers. They're not in the least bit sympathetic. Better to stick with well-behaved victims like starving Africans.
The cultural propaganda that accompanied the Reagan revolution has been so hugely successful that America's workers internalised it too well, like those famously fanatical Soviet workers who literally worked themselves to death in order to help bring true communism that much closer. According to Expedia, American workers save their employees some $21 billion per year by not taking even the meagre vacation time they're allowed.
How can anyone possibly feel sympathy for a people this gullible and craven? The New York Times article on the vanishing vacation told one particularly grotesque story about American workers' own refusal to take vacations even when their companies offer it to them. Accounting giant PricewaterhouseCoopers has lately become so frustrated in its inability to force workers to take holiday time that it resorted to shutting down and locking out its 19,000 employees twice a year in order to force them to relax.
One can imagine PwC's parking lot the day after forced-vacation lockdown. It would look like the scene outside of the mall in George A. Romero's Dawn of the Dead: thousands of starched, dazed yuppies converging on the corporate grounds, clawing at the entrance, growling for the opportunity to just put in one more 70-hour work week.
In fact, the scene where Dawn's heroes try to explain the zombies' behaviour applies all too well to the PwC workers. Replace the Swat heroes of Dawn with a pair security cops at PwC watching the dazed yuppies from their video monitors, and their dialogue fits perfectly: "What brings them here?" one asks, zooming in on the yuppies scratching at the office entrance's tinted glass doors. The answer would be the same as that of the film's hero: "Instinct. Memory. This was an important place in their lives."
And like Romero's zombies, America's workers won't stop scratching at their office doors, starving for more work, until someone finally opens them back up. Or until they break the doors down themselves, and resume their vile orgy of slavishness.
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Posted by: jreal on Sep 8, 2006 12:31 AM
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But the big kicker is that even though the nation is taking less vacation time, our nations hardest workers are making less than they were five years ago.
That should be a hard hitting point in the campaigns.
See my posts under "2006 Senate Elections Report"
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Posted by: Colin on Sep 8, 2006 1:16 AM
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Don't believe everything you read!
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Posted by: Bobsays on Sep 8, 2006 2:42 AM
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Something I discovered was this: hanging around North Americans has a corrosive influence on you and your life. Their pathetic nerosis affect your thinking. The solutions to most work related problems require creative solutions and the time to think about them. Yet, if you hang around a bunch of North American stress cases, you will never get the time or psychic peace to see your problems clearly.
I say abandon North America. Walk away from it. Take the money you have saved and get an air ticket. Leave. Americans always do well when they start businesses in other countries. Pick a country you like, and move there.
When you are on your deathbed, what will matter won't be your dutiful appearances at work at 9 am, it won't be all the stupid meetings you attended, it won't be your 'employee of the month' certificate, or your puffed up job title: it will be the experiences you will have had in life, the people you will have loved, the challenges you will have met, the shit that you disturbed, the amazing sex, and the lives you will have changed for the better (not vaporised in warfare like the typical American wants to do).
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Posted by: churchofone on Sep 8, 2006 3:41 AM
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Before I accepted this position, I told them that I already had a trip in the works; I took the time off unpaid. It's more important for me to have the mental break than it is to bring home the bucks.
My spouse also changed jobs and in negotiating his package, he was able to get 120 hours vacation AND 120 hours sick pay, in addition to the paid holidays. You can be sure that he will be using each and every one of those vacation days; unlike his past where he never used the PTO to which he was entitled. And if it means I take a week off unpaid every year - IT IS WORTH IT!
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Contract work pays well, but of course, the little perks which used to come with employment, like health insurance, paid holidays, paid vacation, retirement pensions and sick pay, have all become things of the past.
This situation is perfect for companies, they now have lower overheads, and if they want to reduce their work force, they only need give a contractor notice to leave at the end of the hour.
Why do we contract? We have to eat and pay for somewhere to live. I contract, and I did take 2 weeks unpaid leave in the summer to escape to Europe. I am lucky enough to have a boss who appreciates me enough to allow me to do this.
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Now, I looked throught he New York Times article, and it makes no mention of Americans having contempt for "morally degenerate" Europeans. I find it hard to believe that this is how most Americans truly see Europeans. Where did this tidbit come from?
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Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 8, 2006 6:44 AM
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dollar . I was in Europe just aftrer the Iraq Invasion and the Euro and dollar were roughly equal give or take a nickel or so . When I went back last year the Euro cost $1.30.
In fact one of the supposed REAL reasons for the Iraq Invasion was the idea that they would price their Oil in Euros
rather than dollars .
As a closing point let us not forget recent studies that point out there is MORE class Mobility in Europe than here in the US .
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Posted by: mendomama on Sep 8, 2006 9:08 AM
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Perhaps when considering those with 6 - digit incomes who refuse to take time off for fear of not being able to afford the new Hummer they just bought, this might be true. However, anyone that is struggling financially, or knows people that are, you know that the lack of vacation time has more to do with living paycheck to paycheck - trying to keep food on the table, a roof over their heads, and their old car running (forget healthcare for themselves or their children).
The reason my family hasn't had a vacation in several years is because we can't afford it - not because we're greedy, self-centered workaholics. Even if we could afford to take time off (which we can't), the concept of being able to actually go anywhere or do anything - and still keep the bills paid while we're gone - is what some would call a "pipe dream".
Judging millions of people, assuming they'd rather work all the time and get more money, as opposed to taking a few weeks off a year doesn't have the ring of truth with regards to most of the people I know. Did it ever occur to anyone that if many people were to take time off it would mean the loss of their homes, the shutting off of their utilities, or surviving on top ramen and peanut butter sandwiches? No. It must be that we're workaholics. And we hate Europeans for their leisure time (like the terrorists hate us for our freedom). Maybe some are like this, but I think that the majority of working men and women simply can't afford to take time off.
I can count on one hand how may people I know that are offered paid vacation time through their jobs. The only one that actually uses it is single with no kids, no house payment, and can actually afford to take the time off. As many people are aware (though they may not feel the effects personally), the number of those living in poverty is on the rise, the lower class is growing, while the middle class is dwindling away - and CEOs are living better than ever. It's not the workers....it's the economy, stupid!
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Posted by: 48crash on Sep 8, 2006 9:52 AM
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Hm, well that's only PART of the year. Personally we never take vacations in the summer because the summer is the nicest time of year here! So I suppose they would count me in that statistic, although we take a vacation EVERY winter.
A better statistic would be how many people were planning on taking a vacation anytime during the year.
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Posted by: helgerry on Sep 8, 2006 10:21 AM
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In the past 5 years, I've been all around Western Europe (except Switzerland) and bear in mind we don't spend all our money on holidays: we have a mortgage and a decent savings account (we go out to dinner at least once a month).
I enjoy visiting family and friends back in the States but moving back? Nee (as they say in dutch)... I do miss the Florida sunshine though...
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Posted by: picket on Sep 8, 2006 1:58 PM
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Six months in jail for dumpster theft. Everyone wants the US good life!!!!!!
http://lenta.ru/news/2006/09/05/trash/
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Posted by: JCR on Sep 8, 2006 2:29 PM
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I absolutely love articles like this wherein we are told how miserable we are (which we are I agree) only to post a menacing paragraph or two threatening to impeach Bush, boycott corporate America or initiate some other "action" that we have absolutely no intention of carrying out. There are still countries on earth where people take to the streets with fire and conviction - we are not one of those countries. Unfortunately the US has not fallen far enough to motivate us to get off our lazy, fat asses and actually do something. I wonder how many of us have made the connection between being overworked and greatly increased rates of diabetes, heart disease and depression? From the looks of it, I sincerely doubt many have. Let's face it - the US is in terminal decline and we have gotten exactly what we deserve . . .
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Posted by: Wish on Sep 8, 2006 3:21 PM
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Life is not only about working.
Oh, and yet again it is so easy to blame and point fingers at others. The Europeans.
Look at yourself. Take responsibility for your own life, for your own actions.
I work parttime, 4 days a week, and still get 22.4 vacationsdays a year (I get some bonusdays for working at the company for a number of years).
Vacation, days off...you don't know what you're missing.
No wonder you're blazingly mad as a society....
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Posted by: quirkygamer on Sep 8, 2006 4:36 PM
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The year passed, and I got an extra paycheck. I went to human resources (I'd rather visit a gynocologist) and asked when I could take my week off. I was informed that I was never guaranteed a week off, just a week of extra pay.
Last year, I found myself in a similar situation and quit a job so I could spend a single week in Europe. I haven't had more than a weekend off since.
My anxiety had reached a new high and I'm chronically depressed. Unlike most Americans, I cannot comfort myself with TV, fast food, or shopping at Wal-Mart.
I want out.
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Sep 8, 2006 6:39 PM
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Another reason has to do with the fundamentally capitalist structure of the US, a capitalist structure which only in the least amount possible, values the life of its workers. Europe had the advantage of not being repulsed by that thing called "socialism" (dirty word to Americans) and of the Marshall Plan, where we basically implemented policies that our own plutocratic congress, senate, house, etc. were too callous to give a try.
As an aside, I recently took a part-time job as an hourly employee for a corporation and was shocked (!) to hear a fellow employee tell me "you get a half and hour for each 8 hr shift you work." As someone used to taking an hour and a half for lunch (I work for myself f/t), I in no way understood how that measly 30min could accomadate me getting in my car, going somewhere, sitting to eat/talk, and coming back and getting re-acclimated to work. C'est la vie dans les etats-unis! Can you say "Merde!"?
Just as the boss-class wasn't willingly giving an 8hr day (which we workers had to agitate for), so they'll never give any more than they have to. Consequently, workers will be worked to death because employers know that one, most Americans don't fathom that this isn't "natural," and two, because there's always someone else (sometimes a migrant worker, sometimes someone who's desperate, it varies of course) who'll do the job.
I envy Europe, but if you're paying attention you'll notice that we know live in a globalized world where nations are competing with each other. In order for the EU to remain "competitive," it's going to have to give it's workers more of the shit which means less benefits and opportunities for relaxation (this has already begun and the problem is, as it is in the US, in certain jobs magnified in Europe by migrant workers who though not soley to blame don't help the situation for ALL workers). What to do???
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Posted by: bouyant on Sep 8, 2006 8:54 PM
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Without workers united, corporate America rules the world. Every worker in the US should be in a union. Every worker in the WORLD should be in a union.
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It's always the same b.s. excuse: because of globalization we have to work harder to compete with countries like China or India (and now the former Eastern European block). I suspect it's part of a deliberate plan by the corporate/financial elite in the US/UK to progressively bring Europe down to the level of America... In other words to bring this brutal, dog-eat-dog, american capitalist model to "those socialist european societies". I never miss a chance to warn my fellow european workers about that. Beware! There is a global plan being unfolded (at least the French seem determined to resist it)! It's not just another conspiracy theory...
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Posted by: YogiBear on Sep 9, 2006 5:26 AM
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My best friend is a sales manager and he fits this profile to a T. He accrues vacation time and it goes unused, and furthermore, he works every day of the week, though he's the only one to do so and it isn't required. He is convinced that if he doesn't do the work, everything will fall apart.
And you know what? He may be right. That's because companies know they can get away with doing less, hiring fewer people, or at lower rates, becuase they know their workers will fill those gaps and keep things going. It's intentional, and abusive, because people like my friend who burn the candle at both ends will burn themselves out. And once they are burned out, they will be discarded for the next guy who the companies will abuse in much the same way.
Then, the burnout is screwed. He'll be seen as damaged goods in that industry, and/or he'll be unable to muster the drive needed for that kind of work in the future.
But I think it's a mistake to think that the reason this is happeneing is because there's somthing wrong with American workers' psyche. Gotta dig deeper than that. Blaming this on ourselves is just what these corporate types would like. This an endemic, institutional problem with American business. We are supposedly a Christian nation, but morality is utterly absent in our corporate culture. Our suppsoedly moral overlords use workers like cattle, and send them to the slaughter when they are all used up.
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Posted by: sacha_arilad on Sep 9, 2006 4:04 AM
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And you guys voted him in to run a second term? And Cheney? And Rumsfeld?
Wow, you guys are real suckers for corporate America aren´t you?
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Posted by: sacha_arilad on Sep 9, 2006 7:45 AM
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And you guys voted him in to run a second term? And Cheney? And Rumsfeld?
Wow, you guys are real suckers for corporate America aren´t you?
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Posted by: Falang on Sep 9, 2006 8:54 AM
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I am working for a company in Canada who is paying full benefits, we are unionized and we have only two subcontractor companies working for us. Now those two companies are from USA and they charge high price for there IT service contract. Few years back my company accept to pay those high prices because the job was done but now the prices increase for those contracts but the job is not done, in fact we had to hire two people to work with them to make sure the job we pay for is done. One of those company have overwork no vacation stress worker and the other one put out of work their employees and hired them as contractor. For the 2 cases since they don’t treat their workers good the job is not done right and now they specialized themselves on how to give reasons for the job not done. For one of the two contract the death sentence is already there when the day the contract is finish you can kiss your job goodbye and the other one is on death row. To replace those contract my company will hire full paid benefit workers to do the job because in the last 6 years they have done so with other contractors and the cost are 40% down and profit 20% up.
When I say full benefit I mean very good pay, 37.5 hours a week, over the 37.5 hours you are paid 150% of your salary for every hours of overtime and 200% if you have to work on weekend, 2 weeks vacation the first year and going up every year (I have 6 weeks of paid vacation after 19 years of service), 10 days of sick paid leave every year, 2 fully paid days for personal reason, 20 days fully paid holidays, life insurance paid 50% by my company, health insurance that cover everything that is not paid by the government like glasses, dentist and medicine, salary insurance who pay my salary if I am sick over the 10 days, cell phone, VoIP phone and 10 Mb internet access + cable at home free. On top of that I have a expense account to pay for meals, hotels and everything when I have to go out of town and since I work for a high tech company with need some formation and courses to stay on top and the company is paying for everything and the courses are done on working hours not at night or on weekend.
Can you believe that even if they pay those benefit I don’t hear shareholder complain because with are making money and a lot of it, profit up 20% and cost down 40% on the last 5 years.
Your corporate culture is bs I work for a company who make good profit by treating his employees good so we are proud of our company and every minute we work is to make that company better and more profitable.
On top of that last year when I took my 6 weeks of vacation in a row to make a trip in Asia my boss told me to enjoy my vacation because he said that I earn every minutes of because of my good work.
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Posted by: Maryanne on Sep 9, 2006 2:36 PM
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Several years later, we took a 10 day charter trip to the Canary Islands- total cost $350. This included round trip air fare from home, flights to the three main islands as well as one to North Africa, a luxury hotel (with swimming pool and all the works), three gourmet meals a day, including wine, all sighseeing costs- and souvenirs!
Can't do that today. Arthur Frommer's books talked about "Europe on $5.00 a day". Now you would be lucky to get away with $100 a day. Even traveling by car to a national park is expensive. Now you are being nickled and dimed at the parks for much less service (thanks to government cut backs) and the increased cost in gasoline. If you have a family, and can support this on one paycheck, you are indeed fortunate. There are so many required expenses now that didn't exist then, and they all take chunks out of one's income. So how can anyone think of taking a vacation away from home these days when there are so many demands on the money being earned.
So glad I went when I did. Couldn't do the same today. Did you ever check the price of a 2 week trip to Europe now?
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2. Anti-acids
3. Sleep Aids/Stay Awake Pills/Diet Aids
Nuf said
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I agree though that our culture of work work work, little time off is toxic as hell.
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2. Don't spend money on electronics when a simple X-Box or PS2 will suffice.
3. Put all your electronics and non-DC appliances on surge protectors. Switch them all off before you leave for work.
4. Your kid is more likely to get into a university by transferring 30 community-college level credits than by acing the SAT. That's because c.c. credits equal an academic career.
4b: If you really, really, REALLY want them to graduate, now's the time to teach them how to read and write. Plagiarism kills. Math and science tutors are easy to find.
5. New cars are like old cars: you rarely get your money's worth with them. Why pay more?
Voila! You'll find you suddenly have a bit more cash at the end of every paycheck to feed your family with.
Now do something productive and go join a union.
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But the big kicker is that even though the nation is taking less vacation time, our nations hardest workers are making less than they were five years ago.
That should be a hard hitting point in the campaigns.
See my posts under "2006 Senate Elections Report"
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Don't believe everything you read!
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Something I discovered was this: hanging around North Americans has a corrosive influence on you and your life. Their pathetic nerosis affect your thinking. The solutions to most work related problems require creative solutions and the time to think about them. Yet, if you hang around a bunch of North American stress cases, you will never get the time or psychic peace to see your problems clearly.
I say abandon North America. Walk away from it. Take the money you have saved and get an air ticket. Leave. Americans always do well when they start businesses in other countries. Pick a country you like, and move there.
When you are on your deathbed, what will matter won't be your dutiful appearances at work at 9 am, it won't be all the stupid meetings you attended, it won't be your 'employee of the month' certificate, or your puffed up job title: it will be the experiences you will have had in life, the people you will have loved, the challenges you will have met, the shit that you disturbed, the amazing sex, and the lives you will have changed for the better (not vaporised in warfare like the typical American wants to do).
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Before I accepted this position, I told them that I already had a trip in the works; I took the time off unpaid. It's more important for me to have the mental break than it is to bring home the bucks.
My spouse also changed jobs and in negotiating his package, he was able to get 120 hours vacation AND 120 hours sick pay, in addition to the paid holidays. You can be sure that he will be using each and every one of those vacation days; unlike his past where he never used the PTO to which he was entitled. And if it means I take a week off unpaid every year - IT IS WORTH IT!
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Contract work pays well, but of course, the little perks which used to come with employment, like health insurance, paid holidays, paid vacation, retirement pensions and sick pay, have all become things of the past.
This situation is perfect for companies, they now have lower overheads, and if they want to reduce their work force, they only need give a contractor notice to leave at the end of the hour.
Why do we contract? We have to eat and pay for somewhere to live. I contract, and I did take 2 weeks unpaid leave in the summer to escape to Europe. I am lucky enough to have a boss who appreciates me enough to allow me to do this.
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Now, I looked throught he New York Times article, and it makes no mention of Americans having contempt for "morally degenerate" Europeans. I find it hard to believe that this is how most Americans truly see Europeans. Where did this tidbit come from?
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Posted by: JSquercia on Sep 8, 2006 6:44 AM
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dollar . I was in Europe just aftrer the Iraq Invasion and the Euro and dollar were roughly equal give or take a nickel or so . When I went back last year the Euro cost $1.30.
In fact one of the supposed REAL reasons for the Iraq Invasion was the idea that they would price their Oil in Euros
rather than dollars .
As a closing point let us not forget recent studies that point out there is MORE class Mobility in Europe than here in the US .
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Perhaps when considering those with 6 - digit incomes who refuse to take time off for fear of not being able to afford the new Hummer they just bought, this might be true. However, anyone that is struggling financially, or knows people that are, you know that the lack of vacation time has more to do with living paycheck to paycheck - trying to keep food on the table, a roof over their heads, and their old car running (forget healthcare for themselves or their children).
The reason my family hasn't had a vacation in several years is because we can't afford it - not because we're greedy, self-centered workaholics. Even if we could afford to take time off (which we can't), the concept of being able to actually go anywhere or do anything - and still keep the bills paid while we're gone - is what some would call a "pipe dream".
Judging millions of people, assuming they'd rather work all the time and get more money, as opposed to taking a few weeks off a year doesn't have the ring of truth with regards to most of the people I know. Did it ever occur to anyone that if many people were to take time off it would mean the loss of their homes, the shutting off of their utilities, or surviving on top ramen and peanut butter sandwiches? No. It must be that we're workaholics. And we hate Europeans for their leisure time (like the terrorists hate us for our freedom). Maybe some are like this, but I think that the majority of working men and women simply can't afford to take time off.
I can count on one hand how may people I know that are offered paid vacation time through their jobs. The only one that actually uses it is single with no kids, no house payment, and can actually afford to take the time off. As many people are aware (though they may not feel the effects personally), the number of those living in poverty is on the rise, the lower class is growing, while the middle class is dwindling away - and CEOs are living better than ever. It's not the workers....it's the economy, stupid!
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Hm, well that's only PART of the year. Personally we never take vacations in the summer because the summer is the nicest time of year here! So I suppose they would count me in that statistic, although we take a vacation EVERY winter.
A better statistic would be how many people were planning on taking a vacation anytime during the year.
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Posted by: helgerry on Sep 8, 2006 10:21 AM
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In the past 5 years, I've been all around Western Europe (except Switzerland) and bear in mind we don't spend all our money on holidays: we have a mortgage and a decent savings account (we go out to dinner at least once a month).
I enjoy visiting family and friends back in the States but moving back? Nee (as they say in dutch)... I do miss the Florida sunshine though...
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Six months in jail for dumpster theft. Everyone wants the US good life!!!!!!
http://lenta.ru/news/2006/09/05/trash/
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I absolutely love articles like this wherein we are told how miserable we are (which we are I agree) only to post a menacing paragraph or two threatening to impeach Bush, boycott corporate America or initiate some other "action" that we have absolutely no intention of carrying out. There are still countries on earth where people take to the streets with fire and conviction - we are not one of those countries. Unfortunately the US has not fallen far enough to motivate us to get off our lazy, fat asses and actually do something. I wonder how many of us have made the connection between being overworked and greatly increased rates of diabetes, heart disease and depression? From the looks of it, I sincerely doubt many have. Let's face it - the US is in terminal decline and we have gotten exactly what we deserve . . .
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Posted by: Wish on Sep 8, 2006 3:21 PM
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Life is not only about working.
Oh, and yet again it is so easy to blame and point fingers at others. The Europeans.
Look at yourself. Take responsibility for your own life, for your own actions.
I work parttime, 4 days a week, and still get 22.4 vacationsdays a year (I get some bonusdays for working at the company for a number of years).
Vacation, days off...you don't know what you're missing.
No wonder you're blazingly mad as a society....
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The year passed, and I got an extra paycheck. I went to human resources (I'd rather visit a gynocologist) and asked when I could take my week off. I was informed that I was never guaranteed a week off, just a week of extra pay.
Last year, I found myself in a similar situation and quit a job so I could spend a single week in Europe. I haven't had more than a weekend off since.
My anxiety had reached a new high and I'm chronically depressed. Unlike most Americans, I cannot comfort myself with TV, fast food, or shopping at Wal-Mart.
I want out.
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Another reason has to do with the fundamentally capitalist structure of the US, a capitalist structure which only in the least amount possible, values the life of its workers. Europe had the advantage of not being repulsed by that thing called "socialism" (dirty word to Americans) and of the Marshall Plan, where we basically implemented policies that our own plutocratic congress, senate, house, etc. were too callous to give a try.
As an aside, I recently took a part-time job as an hourly employee for a corporation and was shocked (!) to hear a fellow employee tell me "you get a half and hour for each 8 hr shift you work." As someone used to taking an hour and a half for lunch (I work for myself f/t), I in no way understood how that measly 30min could accomadate me getting in my car, going somewhere, sitting to eat/talk, and coming back and getting re-acclimated to work. C'est la vie dans les etats-unis! Can you say "Merde!"?
Just as the boss-class wasn't willingly giving an 8hr day (which we workers had to agitate for), so they'll never give any more than they have to. Consequently, workers will be worked to death because employers know that one, most Americans don't fathom that this isn't "natural," and two, because there's always someone else (sometimes a migrant worker, sometimes someone who's desperate, it varies of course) who'll do the job.
I envy Europe, but if you're paying attention you'll notice that we know live in a globalized world where nations are competing with each other. In order for the EU to remain "competitive," it's going to have to give it's workers more of the shit which means less benefits and opportunities for relaxation (this has already begun and the problem is, as it is in the US, in certain jobs magnified in Europe by migrant workers who though not soley to blame don't help the situation for ALL workers). What to do???
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Without workers united, corporate America rules the world. Every worker in the US should be in a union. Every worker in the WORLD should be in a union.
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It's always the same b.s. excuse: because of globalization we have to work harder to compete with countries like China or India (and now the former Eastern European block). I suspect it's part of a deliberate plan by the corporate/financial elite in the US/UK to progressively bring Europe down to the level of America... In other words to bring this brutal, dog-eat-dog, american capitalist model to "those socialist european societies". I never miss a chance to warn my fellow european workers about that. Beware! There is a global plan being unfolded (at least the French seem determined to resist it)! It's not just another conspiracy theory...
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My best friend is a sales manager and he fits this profile to a T. He accrues vacation time and it goes unused, and furthermore, he works every day of the week, though he's the only one to do so and it isn't required. He is convinced that if he doesn't do the work, everything will fall apart.
And you know what? He may be right. That's because companies know they can get away with doing less, hiring fewer people, or at lower rates, becuase they know their workers will fill those gaps and keep things going. It's intentional, and abusive, because people like my friend who burn the candle at both ends will burn themselves out. And once they are burned out, they will be discarded for the next guy who the companies will abuse in much the same way.
Then, the burnout is screwed. He'll be seen as damaged goods in that industry, and/or he'll be unable to muster the drive needed for that kind of work in the future.
But I think it's a mistake to think that the reason this is happeneing is because there's somthing wrong with American workers' psyche. Gotta dig deeper than that. Blaming this on ourselves is just what these corporate types would like. This an endemic, institutional problem with American business. We are supposedly a Christian nation, but morality is utterly absent in our corporate culture. Our suppsoedly moral overlords use workers like cattle, and send them to the slaughter when they are all used up.
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And you guys voted him in to run a second term? And Cheney? And Rumsfeld?
Wow, you guys are real suckers for corporate America aren´t you?
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And you guys voted him in to run a second term? And Cheney? And Rumsfeld?
Wow, you guys are real suckers for corporate America aren´t you?
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Posted by: Falang on Sep 9, 2006 8:54 AM
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I am working for a company in Canada who is paying full benefits, we are unionized and we have only two subcontractor companies working for us. Now those two companies are from USA and they charge high price for there IT service contract. Few years back my company accept to pay those high prices because the job was done but now the prices increase for those contracts but the job is not done, in fact we had to hire two people to work with them to make sure the job we pay for is done. One of those company have overwork no vacation stress worker and the other one put out of work their employees and hired them as contractor. For the 2 cases since they don’t treat their workers good the job is not done right and now they specialized themselves on how to give reasons for the job not done. For one of the two contract the death sentence is already there when the day the contract is finish you can kiss your job goodbye and the other one is on death row. To replace those contract my company will hire full paid benefit workers to do the job because in the last 6 years they have done so with other contractors and the cost are 40% down and profit 20% up.
When I say full benefit I mean very good pay, 37.5 hours a week, over the 37.5 hours you are paid 150% of your salary for every hours of overtime and 200% if you have to work on weekend, 2 weeks vacation the first year and going up every year (I have 6 weeks of paid vacation after 19 years of service), 10 days of sick paid leave every year, 2 fully paid days for personal reason, 20 days fully paid holidays, life insurance paid 50% by my company, health insurance that cover everything that is not paid by the government like glasses, dentist and medicine, salary insurance who pay my salary if I am sick over the 10 days, cell phone, VoIP phone and 10 Mb internet access + cable at home free. On top of that I have a expense account to pay for meals, hotels and everything when I have to go out of town and since I work for a high tech company with need some formation and courses to stay on top and the company is paying for everything and the courses are done on working hours not at night or on weekend.
Can you believe that even if they pay those benefit I don’t hear shareholder complain because with are making money and a lot of it, profit up 20% and cost down 40% on the last 5 years.
Your corporate culture is bs I work for a company who make good profit by treating his employees good so we are proud of our company and every minute we work is to make that company better and more profitable.
On top of that last year when I took my 6 weeks of vacation in a row to make a trip in Asia my boss told me to enjoy my vacation because he said that I earn every minutes of because of my good work.
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Posted by: Maryanne on Sep 9, 2006 2:36 PM
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Several years later, we took a 10 day charter trip to the Canary Islands- total cost $350. This included round trip air fare from home, flights to the three main islands as well as one to North Africa, a luxury hotel (with swimming pool and all the works), three gourmet meals a day, including wine, all sighseeing costs- and souvenirs!
Can't do that today. Arthur Frommer's books talked about "Europe on $5.00 a day". Now you would be lucky to get away with $100 a day. Even traveling by car to a national park is expensive. Now you are being nickled and dimed at the parks for much less service (thanks to government cut backs) and the increased cost in gasoline. If you have a family, and can support this on one paycheck, you are indeed fortunate. There are so many required expenses now that didn't exist then, and they all take chunks out of one's income. So how can anyone think of taking a vacation away from home these days when there are so many demands on the money being earned.
So glad I went when I did. Couldn't do the same today. Did you ever check the price of a 2 week trip to Europe now?
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Posted by: oriondarkwood on Sep 13, 2006 12:05 PM
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2. Anti-acids
3. Sleep Aids/Stay Awake Pills/Diet Aids
Nuf said
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Posted by: spanky on Sep 13, 2006 4:55 PM
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I agree though that our culture of work work work, little time off is toxic as hell.
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Posted by: sivoneall on Sep 16, 2006 5:10 AM
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Siv O'Neall, France
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Sep 16, 2006 4:47 PM
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2. Don't spend money on electronics when a simple X-Box or PS2 will suffice.
3. Put all your electronics and non-DC appliances on surge protectors. Switch them all off before you leave for work.
4. Your kid is more likely to get into a university by transferring 30 community-college level credits than by acing the SAT. That's because c.c. credits equal an academic career.
4b: If you really, really, REALLY want them to graduate, now's the time to teach them how to read and write. Plagiarism kills. Math and science tutors are easy to find.
5. New cars are like old cars: you rarely get your money's worth with them. Why pay more?
Voila! You'll find you suddenly have a bit more cash at the end of every paycheck to feed your family with.
Now do something productive and go join a union.
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