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The GOP Fights to Keep Women in Poverty
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We've heard a little discussion about how the rigid new rules will affect what states can do in their administration of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) programs, but not at all on what they'll mean for the actual families receiving public assistance and struggling to achieve economic security.
For these families, the rules represent a narrowing of the best opportunity many have of moving, not just from welfare, but permanently out of poverty. Study after study has shown that when people receiving welfare have the chance to get an education -- whether it's earning a college degree, securing a GED or mastering the English language -- their family incomes and long-term prospects improve far more than those families who remain trapped in low-wage jobs. Yet dead-end low-wage positions without benefits or security are frequently the only jobs people pushed off the rolls without education and training are able to secure in this economy.
After moving from welfare while working on my college degree, I can testify to the positive impact that education has had in my own life. As co-director of Welfare Rights Initiative at Hunter College in New York, every day I see the tremendous results that college produces in the lives of students now receiving public assistance. It's challenging work juggling a serious course load, family responsibilities and the bureaucratic demands of the welfare system, but the powerful permanent effect on the lives of entire families is well worth it.
Yet under a mandate from Congress' Deficit Reduction Act -- passed last year -- HHS has acted to further restrict educational opportunity.
When welfare reform became law in 1996, the states were deliberately given flexibility to implement the new regulations. They could experiment with different policies; for example, they could designate categories of work to allow more time for successful educational programs. At least in part, the idea was that the best and most innovative policies to emerge from the state "laboratories" could become new models for a national program.
But the federal government has done little systematic evaluation of which state policies best succeed in moving families out of poverty. Instead, in the name of cracking down on fictitious welfare stereotypes, HHS has curtailed state flexibility and made it harder than ever for people receiving public assistance to get the education they need to attain long-term, family-sustaining jobs.
It's true that states and localities have not always used their flexibility to its best effect. At the City University of New York, we lost thousands of students receiving welfare as the city's Human Resources Administration, under the direction of Mayors Giuliani and then Bloomberg, refused to count class time, work-study and internships as an approved work activity.
No matter how dedicated students were, many found pursuing a degree to be incompatible with fulfilling a workfare assignment to pick up trash for 20 hours a week on the other side of town. While some managed to persevere, many students who were close to completing their degrees were instead forced to drop out and accept dead-end jobs. Given this situation, new federal regulations that did more to encourage states and localities to facilitate education and training would have been a welcome change. But of course, that's not what we got.
Instead, the rules are a more stringent application of the idea that a job -- any job -- is better than another day receiving public assistance. No matter that the time spent getting education and training can be a cost-effective public investment in human capital and an important foundation for economic expansion. It is HHS's goal to serve an ideological agenda rather than an economic one. How else can they explain limiting education and vocational training to an absolute 12-months in a lifetime and English as a Second Language programs to a few weeks -- hardly long enough to effectively learn a foreign language?
The objective of TANF should be to stabilize families and help them move from poverty to self-determining economic security. Substantial evidence indicates that motivated students can achieve their economic potential and bring their families, neighborhoods and communities with them up the economic ladder. As a result, it is a crushing blow to read these regulations and know they translate into American dreams denied.
The Welfare Rights Initiative and other groups, advocates, coalitions and stakeholders will be responding to HHS' open comment period with our own vision for revamped federal welfare regulations based on access to education and other strategies that have proven effective at moving families not just from welfare rolls, but permanently out of poverty. By this standard, the welfare regulations set out by the present administration as currently constructed are going to fail. In school students are encouraged to learn from past mistakes. We urge HHS to do the same.
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Posted by: voice on Jul 19, 2006 2:44 AM
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In the minds of these idealogues there is no such thing as social capital, that is to say, any long term investment in an individual and the concommitant benefits of this investment, social mobility, self esteem, etc are considered secondry to the more pressing need to herd 'welfare recipients' ie those who leech of the state, out into the market place forthwith.
Now in the caes of Ireland there was, due to political corruption and the diasterous economic policies of the 70's and 80's, a huge dependency on welfare because at the time there was no employment. It could be argued that some of these recipients had become 'dependent' on dependency if you like. However the past ten years has seen an economic boom of Biblical proportions, there are jobs a plenty and the number of people on welfare is around 4%.
However and, this is my point, the needs of those who are left behind for whatever reason are not taken into account. In fact, the bogeyman of benefit fraud, because the new orthodoxy insists that all people in receipt of government money must be on the make, is used as a political tool to scare those who are in work into thinking that there is a minority of people out there who are living the highlife (on paltry sums of money) at their expense. These are the teeth of the so called Celtic Tiger.
The idealogy of this form of economic thinking is pretty straight forward and full of Darwinian overtones; if you are not working, and not working by their narrow definintion includes all students, then you are a burden to the rest of us.
I know there are further complications in the US, the whole issue of race is largely absent here, but with the influx of immigrants into Ireland there are ugly noises coming from certain quarters about 'economic refugess' and 'foreign welfare cheats' as if someone from sub-Saharn Africa who has somehow managed to get through the draconian immigrant system, a system designed to keep 'them' out, only wanted to get to this state to live the high life on welfare payments.
Anyhow, whatever way you look at it, this kind of thinking is not based on any real economic reality, it is part of a mindset which sees individuals as either economic parasites or economic producers, either way no one is a person , you are merely a debit or a credit. Progress?
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Posted by: mazel on Jul 19, 2006 4:36 AM
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The bottom line is that the people in power want us to be uneducated--it keeps them in their phoney-baloney jobs. They don't want a bunch of poor slobs getting lofty librul ideas in institutions of higher learning. That wouldn't suit their purposes at all.
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Posted by: BJT on Jul 19, 2006 5:48 AM
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Welfare is a false solution to the economic problems caused by government interference in commerce. Take away the income tax (which only goes into the pockets of the chairmen of a private bank called "Federal Reserve") and remove the government barriers and extortions that bar entry to entrepreneurship so more people can creat more jobs and salvage this horrible socialist economy. Moreover, America must return to a monetary system that cannot be arbitrarily inflated. Every time the government performs "deficit spending," the Fed causes inflation. This arbitrary inflation and Fed-controlled credit was what enabled the Fed to cause the Great Depression, to which all these income taxes and welfare programs are the supposed solution to.
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Posted by: dancerkc on Jul 19, 2006 6:30 AM
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There is talk of family needs, however, and I am wondering whether this reflects the author's contact with women, primarily, in terms of families rather than with men and their families, in education programs.
Is this an unconcious viewpoint which assumes women rather than men, again, because of more contact with women? I am not clear from the text of the article alone that this is really about women. The stated issues seem to apply to both genders. If this is about women, did the men and their needs just disappear?
What lies just beyond the radar screen? Perhaps more about the roles played by each gender? Still un-equal pay. Giving up on employment or education by either gender under which circumstances, and so forth. Maybe a comparison of effects based on gender.
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Posted by: nosylae on Jul 19, 2006 6:34 AM
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I see people who are fully capable of going out and getting good paying jobs with benefits, just sitting on their porches and getting drunk and smoking all day long.
While I do agree to some extent that the government wants to regulate the poor and keep them that way, these people, or at least my tenants in particular, only work hard at keeping their benefits. Oh, the stories I could tell. Not really welfare fraud, so to speak, but manipulating the system that doesn't really work for its intended use.
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Posted by: glorybe on Jul 19, 2006 10:19 AM
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The first step is to try to inform the free market fans of what a free market actually is. A free market is a market in which no government or other force can pass laws, rules, regulations or worst of all taxes. That is where the word free comes into play. And the regulation does not even have to actually exist. For example the simple fact that a law or suit or rule might be imposed effectively murders a free market.
Their next whine will not be followed by a nice cheese. They will whine that they speak of a relatively free market and that is nonsense. Try being a little bit pregnant. It is a 100% or nothing term. You simply can not be a little bit pregnant. Nor can a market be a bit free or a lot free. It is either free or it is not.
The sum of it all is that we have an entire little coven of pseudo intellectuals who babble and deduce from a so called doctrine that is entirely absurd. The proof rests in the simple fact that no nation or even tribe has ever, ever been stupid enough to allow a free market. Think about it. Why fight the wisdom of all societies across all ages?
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Posted by: goatini on Jul 19, 2006 11:16 AM
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wow, way to use the Ann Coulter playbook.
next time, try posting a cogent comment, instead of trying to bash factual reports of gender inequity with lies. unless, of course, your agenda consists of attempting to float lies as fact.
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Posted by: Elendil33 on Jul 19, 2006 12:17 PM
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Of course, this can backfire in that people will survive, no matter what they have to do. If they have to turn to crime, then they will as the survival instinct trumps "do the right thing" every time.
That's just one reason. A second reason is that single mothers are single - they're not supposed to be (according to the sick, xtian right wing mentality) therefore they are to be punished for making the "wrong choice".
The Xtian right wants to bring us all back the 1950's, when mom stayed at home, dad worked, and the daughter was terrified of being called a "slut" at school if she dared act on her natural inclinations. It's too bad the right isn't willing to raise the minimum wage enough to make their little pipe dream a reality.
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Posted by: coldeye on Jul 19, 2006 1:19 PM
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That such an event can happen is perfectly conceivable. That it happens on a casual or predictable basis is a prediction that I doubt.
Nevertheless, if someone can direct me to such studies I would be happy to examine the methodology and results.
More typically, families that include educated parents, married or not, and encourge reading at home, will engender motivated students at home. The greatest predictor of success in school remains family income, regardless of racial or national background. There are secondary factors like cultural bias towards learning(Jews, certain Asian populations) that likewise may cause success in school despite poverty(prior to WWII, most US Jews lived in what today would be considered poverty, as did Asian families.).
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Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 19, 2006 2:35 PM
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And there are people who think feminism has no place in the modern world...
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Posted by: voice on Jul 19, 2006 2:44 AM
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In the minds of these idealogues there is no such thing as social capital, that is to say, any long term investment in an individual and the concommitant benefits of this investment, social mobility, self esteem, etc are considered secondry to the more pressing need to herd 'welfare recipients' ie those who leech of the state, out into the market place forthwith.
Now in the caes of Ireland there was, due to political corruption and the diasterous economic policies of the 70's and 80's, a huge dependency on welfare because at the time there was no employment. It could be argued that some of these recipients had become 'dependent' on dependency if you like. However the past ten years has seen an economic boom of Biblical proportions, there are jobs a plenty and the number of people on welfare is around 4%.
However and, this is my point, the needs of those who are left behind for whatever reason are not taken into account. In fact, the bogeyman of benefit fraud, because the new orthodoxy insists that all people in receipt of government money must be on the make, is used as a political tool to scare those who are in work into thinking that there is a minority of people out there who are living the highlife (on paltry sums of money) at their expense. These are the teeth of the so called Celtic Tiger.
The idealogy of this form of economic thinking is pretty straight forward and full of Darwinian overtones; if you are not working, and not working by their narrow definintion includes all students, then you are a burden to the rest of us.
I know there are further complications in the US, the whole issue of race is largely absent here, but with the influx of immigrants into Ireland there are ugly noises coming from certain quarters about 'economic refugess' and 'foreign welfare cheats' as if someone from sub-Saharn Africa who has somehow managed to get through the draconian immigrant system, a system designed to keep 'them' out, only wanted to get to this state to live the high life on welfare payments.
Anyhow, whatever way you look at it, this kind of thinking is not based on any real economic reality, it is part of a mindset which sees individuals as either economic parasites or economic producers, either way no one is a person , you are merely a debit or a credit. Progress?
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Posted by: mazel on Jul 19, 2006 4:36 AM
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The bottom line is that the people in power want us to be uneducated--it keeps them in their phoney-baloney jobs. They don't want a bunch of poor slobs getting lofty librul ideas in institutions of higher learning. That wouldn't suit their purposes at all.
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Posted by: BJT on Jul 19, 2006 5:48 AM
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Welfare is a false solution to the economic problems caused by government interference in commerce. Take away the income tax (which only goes into the pockets of the chairmen of a private bank called "Federal Reserve") and remove the government barriers and extortions that bar entry to entrepreneurship so more people can creat more jobs and salvage this horrible socialist economy. Moreover, America must return to a monetary system that cannot be arbitrarily inflated. Every time the government performs "deficit spending," the Fed causes inflation. This arbitrary inflation and Fed-controlled credit was what enabled the Fed to cause the Great Depression, to which all these income taxes and welfare programs are the supposed solution to.
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» RE: Welfare itself keeps people poor.
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» BJT, you do not understand markets
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Posted by: dancerkc on Jul 19, 2006 6:30 AM
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There is talk of family needs, however, and I am wondering whether this reflects the author's contact with women, primarily, in terms of families rather than with men and their families, in education programs.
Is this an unconcious viewpoint which assumes women rather than men, again, because of more contact with women? I am not clear from the text of the article alone that this is really about women. The stated issues seem to apply to both genders. If this is about women, did the men and their needs just disappear?
What lies just beyond the radar screen? Perhaps more about the roles played by each gender? Still un-equal pay. Giving up on employment or education by either gender under which circumstances, and so forth. Maybe a comparison of effects based on gender.
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Posted by: nosylae on Jul 19, 2006 6:34 AM
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I see people who are fully capable of going out and getting good paying jobs with benefits, just sitting on their porches and getting drunk and smoking all day long.
While I do agree to some extent that the government wants to regulate the poor and keep them that way, these people, or at least my tenants in particular, only work hard at keeping their benefits. Oh, the stories I could tell. Not really welfare fraud, so to speak, but manipulating the system that doesn't really work for its intended use.
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» RE: welfare or daycare
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» RE: welfare?
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» You can't afford a kid then don't make one.
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» Well I Can Comment
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» Listen Up
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Posted by: glorybe on Jul 19, 2006 10:19 AM
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The first step is to try to inform the free market fans of what a free market actually is. A free market is a market in which no government or other force can pass laws, rules, regulations or worst of all taxes. That is where the word free comes into play. And the regulation does not even have to actually exist. For example the simple fact that a law or suit or rule might be imposed effectively murders a free market.
Their next whine will not be followed by a nice cheese. They will whine that they speak of a relatively free market and that is nonsense. Try being a little bit pregnant. It is a 100% or nothing term. You simply can not be a little bit pregnant. Nor can a market be a bit free or a lot free. It is either free or it is not.
The sum of it all is that we have an entire little coven of pseudo intellectuals who babble and deduce from a so called doctrine that is entirely absurd. The proof rests in the simple fact that no nation or even tribe has ever, ever been stupid enough to allow a free market. Think about it. Why fight the wisdom of all societies across all ages?
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Posted by: goatini on Jul 19, 2006 11:16 AM
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wow, way to use the Ann Coulter playbook.
next time, try posting a cogent comment, instead of trying to bash factual reports of gender inequity with lies. unless, of course, your agenda consists of attempting to float lies as fact.
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Posted by: Elendil33 on Jul 19, 2006 12:17 PM
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Of course, this can backfire in that people will survive, no matter what they have to do. If they have to turn to crime, then they will as the survival instinct trumps "do the right thing" every time.
That's just one reason. A second reason is that single mothers are single - they're not supposed to be (according to the sick, xtian right wing mentality) therefore they are to be punished for making the "wrong choice".
The Xtian right wants to bring us all back the 1950's, when mom stayed at home, dad worked, and the daughter was terrified of being called a "slut" at school if she dared act on her natural inclinations. It's too bad the right isn't willing to raise the minimum wage enough to make their little pipe dream a reality.
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Posted by: coldeye on Jul 19, 2006 1:19 PM
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That such an event can happen is perfectly conceivable. That it happens on a casual or predictable basis is a prediction that I doubt.
Nevertheless, if someone can direct me to such studies I would be happy to examine the methodology and results.
More typically, families that include educated parents, married or not, and encourge reading at home, will engender motivated students at home. The greatest predictor of success in school remains family income, regardless of racial or national background. There are secondary factors like cultural bias towards learning(Jews, certain Asian populations) that likewise may cause success in school despite poverty(prior to WWII, most US Jews lived in what today would be considered poverty, as did Asian families.).
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Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 19, 2006 2:35 PM
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Jul 20, 2006 4:46 PM
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And there are people who think feminism has no place in the modern world...
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