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Target as Bad as Wal-Mart? You Decide
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Targets are spaciously laid out and full of attractive displays and promotions. While many people associate Wal-Mart with low-income, rural communities perhaps dominated by a prison or power plant, life-size photos throughout Target stores remind you that their customers are a lively, beautiful cast of multi-cultural hipsters.
"Their image is more upscale, more urban and sophisticated, sort of a wannabe Pottery Barn," said Victoria Cervantes, a hospital administrator and documentary-maker in Chicago who regularly shops at Target. "I'm not sure if their customers really are more upscale. But that's the image they're going for. They have a very good PR campaign."
In contrast to this image, however, critics say that in terms of wages and benefits, working conditions, sweatshop-style foreign suppliers, and effects on local retail communities, big box Target stores are very much like Wal-Mart, just in a prettier package.
Of more than 1,400 Target stores employing more than 300,000 people nationwide, not one has a union. Employees at various stores say an anti-union message and video is part of the new-employee orientation. At stores in the Twin Cities, where Target is headquartered, the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) union Local 789 has been trying for several years to help Target employees organize, with little luck.
"People ask what the difference between Wal-Mart and Target is," said UFCW organizer Bernie Hesse. "Nothing, except that Wal-Mart is six times bigger. The wages start at $7.25 to $7.50 an hour [at Target]. They'll say that's a competitive wage, but they can't say it's a living wage. We know a lot of their managers are telling people, 'If we find out you're involved in organizing a union you'll get fired.'"
Wal-Mart has about 3,800 stores nationwide and another 2,600 worldwide, employing about 1.6 million people. Target plans to open at least 600 more stores by 2010, for a total of about 2,000 in 47 states. Like Wal-Mart, a typical Target sells a wide range of consumer goods including clothing, household items, office supplies, toys, sports equipment, furniture, art, and electronics; and the stores often have photo laboratories and pharmacies. About 160 SuperTargets nationwide also sell "upscale" groceries, as the company's website describes them, and often contain banks, Starbucks, and Pizza Hut Express outlets. Total revenue was up 12.3 percent in 2005 - $52.6 billion compared to $46.8 billion in 2004.
Wage Slaves
A survey by the UFCW found that starting wages are similar in Targets and Wal-Marts -- possibly higher overall at Wal-Marts - and that Target benefits packages are often harder to qualify for and less comprehensive. (Target's media relations department refused to comment on its wages and benefits policies; individual wages and benefits policies are not included in their annual report.)
"We know that Target and Wal-Mart are constantly checking each other out and seeing how cheap they can get by," says a UFCW statement on the website Targetunion.org, urging Target employees around the country to post their wages.
A Target employee who asked that his name and store location be kept secret said he can barely make ends meet on his salary of $8.40 an hour.
"After three years, I have received less than $1 an hour in raises. I started at $7.65," said the worker, adding that he does love his job because of camaraderie with his co-workers. "We are never compensated and rarely even recognized for meeting our goals."
The starting wage he describes would put a single parent with two kids working full time at Target just slightly above the poverty line; someone with more children or working fewer hours would fall below the poverty line.
Compare that to Target CEO Robert Ulrich, who earned $23.1 million in 2005, according to Forbes, making him the second-highest paid CEO in the retail sector. That's more than 1300 times as much as the worker we spoke to.
Sweat on the Racks?
Meanwhile a glance at labels on a few racks of stylish $20 cardigans and capri pants shows that, like Wal-Mart and most major clothing retailers, Target itself sources its products in India, Indonesia, Guatemala, Mexico, Bangladesh, Kenya, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia and other low-wage, developing countries.
In October 2005 representatives of a Mexican labor federation protested outside a Bronx Target to call attention to alleged child labor and illegal worker lockouts at a Mexican factory that supplies the store's Halloween costumes.
"The way the global garment industry is, there are so few factories that respect workers' rights that there is no way Target gets its clothes from workplaces where workers' rights are being respected," said Allie Robbins, national organizer of the group United Students Against Sweatshops.
Race to the Bottom
Target doesn't differ from most major clothing vendors; you usually have to seek out small specialty companies to find union-made, American-made textiles. But as one of the country's major retailers, Target is an industry leader, fostering and profiting from the U.S.'s general culture of consumerism: We buy, buy, buy at ever lower prices in a market system sustained by very low-paid, non-union workforces in impoverished countries.
Even as American consumerism thrives, however, there is growing public awareness and critique of the problems it spawns. Wal-Mart is becoming a lightning rod for the public's increasing dissatisfaction and animosity. A recent study by the University of Massachusetts at Lowell showed that 63 percent of people would oppose a Wal-Mart opening in their community. Groups such as Wal-Mart Watch, several documentarians have harshly critiqued Wal-Mart's working conditions and its effects on communities and international labor standards.
But somehow, perhaps because of its relative small size compared to Wal-Mart, Target has largely avoided negative publicity.
In fact, it benefits from anti-Wal-Mart anger, a fact that isn't lost on company officials.
Media reports describe Target executives booing and hissing at a Wal-Mart logo during sales meetings and calling it the "evil empire." While communities often fight tooth and nail against new Wal-Marts, residents usually welcome Targets, as local governments offer the corporation generous tax breaks and subsidies to locate in their area.
That is what happened last fall in West St. Paul, Minn., where a new Target reaped $731,000 in local tax breaks, while 30 miles away, Ham Lake was fighting Wal-Mart's efforts to open a superstore. The Target in downtown Minneapolis received $68 million in public subsidies, according to the Star Tribune newspaper. In Chicago in 2004, a city-wide coalition formed to oppose two proposed Wal-Marts and the fight roiled the city council for months. Meanwhile at least three new Target stores have been built in the metro area in the last several years.
Target definitely works hard on its image. Last summer it became the first company to sponsor an entire issue of The New Yorker, with 17 pages of ads. With a 2005 advertising budget of $1.028 billion, it regularly takes out full page ads in major daily papers and magazines, promoting the company's products, and sophisticated image as well as its charity work. The company's website says that 96 percent of Americans recognize the Target logo, "more than the Swoosh or Apple." Unlike Wal-Mart's low-budget, cluttered decor, Target sports artsy, larger-than-life photos of everything from cleaning products to desserts to women in lingerie. It is the exclusive marketer of specialty items such as the Roots "retro-futurism" official gear for the 2006 Winter Olympics. Target's website notes that its average consumer has a median household income of $55,000, and 43 percent have completed college.
"It's like they're trying to be Marshall Fields or something," said Chicago high school student Stephanie Evans, shopping for a bikini for spring break. "But it's really the same things as at Wal-Mart, just at higher prices."
The first Target discount store opened in Roseville, Minnesota, a suburb of St. Paul, in 1962. It was run by the Dayton Company, which originated in 1902 with a retail store called Goodfellows owned by George Dayton in Minneapolis. Along with the discount stores, Target Corp. runs Target Financial Services, which manages the Target REDcard credit card.
Target: We Train the FBI
Perhaps Target's oddest singularity is the fact that it boasts one of the nation's top forensics labs at its company headquarters. A product of its efforts to stop shoplifting and property destruction at its stores, its mastery of surveillance and investigative technology and strategy is now eagerly subscribed to by law enforcement agencies nationwide, including the FBI. The company provides training for police and federal agents on investigation and prevention of everything from arson and robbery to smuggling.
Target does more proportionately for the community in the form of community grants and charity than Wal-Mart does, and spends considerably less boating about it. According to the company website, which says Target donates more than $2 million a week to local and national non-profit organizations. The company gives grants of $1,000 to $3,000 to community organizations, and shoppers can donate 1 percent of Target REDcard charges to a local school. The website says more than $154 million has been donated to schools since 1997. The company also runs Target House, a luxury residential facility in Memphis where families can stay while their seriously ill children are treated at a nearby medical center.
In comparison, Wal-Mart, with revenue of $288 billion in 2005, donated $200 million (or 7/100ths of a percent) to charities and organizations in 2005, according to its web site.
While many customers and employees praise Target's charity efforts, critics counter that the company would have more positive impact on communities by providing living wage, stable jobs to local residents.
Following the general trend in retail and the U.S. job market as a whole, Target relies on part-time workers. This schedule may work well for some students and retired people, but it contributes to a dearth of full-time, fully benefitted, stable employment - especially in communities reeling from the store's impact on small local businesses.
"If I needed a full time job I couldn't afford to work here," said "Rosa" a 57-year-old who works part time at a St. Paul Target near her house. (Her name has been changed because she fears retribution.) "It starts at $7.50 an hour and you only get a 50-cent raise once a year. So how long will it take you to even get to $10 an hour! You can't live on that."
Diversity Dilemma
Target's website says diversity is a core value for employees and customers. It says Target is above national averages in employing minorities, both in the overall workforce (21 percent) and managerial positions (38 percent).
But that may depend on the store. Hesse said that some of the many Somalis refugees employed in the Twin Cities stores complain about cultural insensitivity and discrimination.
"Entry level management people just don't know how to handle it, they seem to be insensitive to immigrant workers," said Hesse. "In one store, there's a lot of friction between managers and Somali workers. They hire these young white boys as managers, and then they run a crew of Somalis with a very condescending attitude."
An African-American employee at the flagship Roseville, Minn. store (who asked that her name not be used for fear of retribution), said she feels as if she constantly suffers racial discrimination. She said there are no black supervisors on the overnight shift she works. "There are a lot of Somalis working on the overnight shift, but no Somali team leader." She said she is tired of young white "team leaders" repeatedly telling her to work faster or do things differently.
"It's the same conversation over and over," said the middle-aged woman. "They treat us like we're kids. And they'll approach you in front of other crew members, not in the office or somewhere private."
She thinks she was unfairly given a document from management saying she needed to increase her work speed.
"I feel like I was discriminated against because I'm black," she said. "I talked to white co-workers who I was working side by side with, and I could see I was working just as fast as them. I asked them if they had to sign the paper [from management] saying they were too slow and they did not. The majority who got the "guidance" slips were Somali or African-American like myself."
Beat the Clock
Workers generally complain about a pressurized and patronizing work atmosphere where they are constantly pressed to work harder and faster and at the same time to act cheery and invested in the store's success. The company's website boasts that workers will respond with "cheetah-like" speed within 60 seconds to customer calls on the red phones throughout the store.
Rosa said employees are constantly exhorted to get shoppers to sign up for Target REDcards; some stores have weekly quotas. "They'll have little employee promotions, it's so ridiculous, you'll get candy or a liter of pop if you get two people to sign up," she said.
She said the store is generally understaffed and workers are expected to do numerous jobs at the same time.
"You're running around, feeling like you're being pulled in every direction," she said. "There's never enough people on the sales floor. You're getting calls to come up to the cash register, to do pulls [of merchandise] in the back room, to deal with returns at guest services, all at once. And the whole time you're constantly picking up and folding stuff, getting things off the floor. At my age it's a really hard day, on your feet the whole time on these linoleum floors. I'm aching when I get home. I have to take Ibuprofen just to be able to sleep."
John Hayden had a similar experience working in a Target distribution center near his home in Oconomowoc, Wisc. After quitting his Target job in 2002, he was diagnosed with a hernia which he blames on lifting up to 700 boxes a day.
"It was hard work," said Hayden, who was in his late 50s at the time. "We never produced enough to keep the middle managers happy. I think they plan it that way - they always want more."
Could it Be Different?
In today's market, could retail really be any different? Fair labor advocates think so. Hesse notes that in several unionized grocery stores in the Twin Cities, hourly wages hover around $13 to $17 an hour, roughly double Target's. Now SuperTarget's sale of groceries threatens the survival of union grocery stores.
Even other major big box retailers have managed to pay significantly higher wages and achieve higher employee retention. The prices at Costco Wholesale Corp., the nation's fifth largest retailer, are competitive with those at Target and Wal-Mart, but it pays full-time employees an average of around $16 an hour along with generous health benefits.
Costco pulls this off by offering fewer brands of each item, keeping infrastructure costs low and forgoing advertising; and the company also benefits financially from low employee turnover. Labor advocates also note that The Container Store is known for decent wages and good working conditions.
"We've turned into a nation of consumers, not citizens," said Hesse. "We need to make retailers and employers bring back the old social contract where if you work hard and give them full time, they have to treat you with some degree of dignity and pay you enough that you don't need to worry about your basic needs all the time."
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Posted by: CounterCorp on May 1, 2006 4:35 AM
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What's irritating is the very premise of the article, which relies on a tired and distorting device of modern American journalism: the "false binary" question. We're all too familiar with the false binary (e.g., "GMO Food: Miracle Technology or Environmental Timebomb?") as it used with increasing frequency to frame most current television news stories, much of the stuff on NPR, and a lot of print articles, including this one.
To ask, "Is Target As Bad As Wal-Mart?" is essentially to ask which one is worse -- or, in other words, "Target: Wal-Mart's Better Rival or Its Evil Twin?"
That might work on local TV news, but that is not really the question (or the issue), nor should we really be concerned with the answer. The fact is, both are bad, as is the vast majority of modern corporate retailing. To get into a fine-grained discussion over which is marginally better or worse is to miss the much larger and salient point, which is that we must boycott and ultimately dismantle big box corporate retailing as a model for distributing (and, by extension, producing) goods in our society.
Asking whether Target or Wal-Mart is worse is like asking whether Coke or Pepsi is better for your health. One may have marginally more sugar or preservatives, but that's not the point: All corporate-produced, empty calorie soft drinks are bad for people's health. Who cares which company makes them the slightly less bad one?
Lydersen's article ends with another (albeit implied) false binary, which is the last subhead in bold: "Could It Be Different?" The implied binary is, of course, could it be different or must it stay the same? (i.e., is there no other way to sell things to people?). That's such a ridiculously offensive question that it should not even be posed. Would Lydersen and the crack Alternot editorial team really have us believe that there's no other way to sell products at the retail level?
Instead of wasting the readers' time with paragraph after paragraph of stuff we either already know or at least suspect (or should) -- interspersed with insipid questions that insult our intelligence -- they should be elaborating on exactly what the alternative models are. The brief mentions of unionized grocery stores and Costco begin to head in that direction, only for the article to promptly end.
Asking and then answering a question that few readers could possibly have entertained is hardly a service to one's audience. That kind of navel-gazing, tail-chasing, time-wasting fluff may satisfy the Beltway mandarins who read the Washington Post, but we expect better.
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 1, 2006 5:21 AM
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Of course this article is nothing but overclass propaganda. The overclass, in this article, is trying to put the focus on some particular evildoer and trying to build the impression that the problem with American labor market is just one or two employers. Focus your attention on one or two suspects and pay no attention to the overclass manipulations going on behind the curtain.
One of the strategies behind the overclass manipulation of America through propaganda is the creation of a PseudoLeft that distracts American leftism from a true Left agenda. This all started decades ago, when the plutocrats founded the large nonprofit foundations. This really started about 100 years ago, with the first and biggest plutocrat of them all, Rockefeller, who started the Rockefeller Foundation> From wikipedia:
The overt is to give us the philathropic view of the foundations as promoters of humanitarian causes and ideals,while the second is used to channel funds to clandentine causes which further American Foreign Policy, of course it looks even better if they are seen as being funded by a charitable organisation. Prior to founding the Rockefeller Foundation Ivy Lee (public relations consultant) adviced JD Rockefeller to use the foundation not only to evade income tax but to also use it as tool to influence academic circles through research grants. By way of funding academic studies into sociology and other research projects
Then Henry Ford and the CIA and the FBI got into the propaganda biz a few decades later using the Ford Foundation to subvert leftism.
From James Petra's article on ratical.org:
One of the Ford Foundation's first Cold War projects was the establishment of a publishing house, Inter-cultural Publications, and the publication of a magazine Perspectives in Europe in four languages. The Ford Foundation's purpose according to Bissell was not "so much to defeat the leftist intellectuals in dialectical combat (sic) as to lure them away from their positions"
Bisell went from the CIA to the Ford Foundation.
THe vast monies the overclass poured into these nonprofit foundations are what is used to subvert leftism by diverting leftists from the causes and ideas that would hurt the overclass. What are the overclass trying to distract us from? Populist Leftist economics is what they want to distract us from. In Europe, populist leftist economics rules. The Europeans force ALL employers to behave. They focus on the big picture--the minimum wage in Europe is about 10 dollars an hour! Universal healthcare for everyone--paid for by taxes, independent of employers. And most European countries mandate a max of 40 hours a week or even less.
You think they got where they are now by focusing their attention on one or two big employers?
The articles that you read on Alternet and other Leftist sites are actually PseudoLeft articles that borne out of the PseudoLeft political culture created by these large nonprofit foundations. This started decades ago, and is carried on now without even knowing how or why things are the way they are today. This is the Cargo Cult effect that creates the PseudoLeft cultural momentum that we see on the front page of Alternet today. All these articles on Alternet, Salon, DKOS, DU, Mother Jones, etc. are for the most part, distractions from our real causes. They are less harmful to the overclass than populist leftist economics.
This is not conspiracy. This is strategy.
Pay no attention to the overclass behind the curtain!
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Posted by: NDnative on May 1, 2006 5:45 AM
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Also, Target gave 70% of its donation to Republicans in 2004 alone and will probably give an even greater percentage to the GOP this year.
Target may be next to my state of ND but to tell the difference between Walmart and Target is as easy as telling the difference between the humans and the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm !
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Posted by: eileenflmng on May 1, 2006 5:59 AM
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Only 'we the people' can change our spending habits-
we the people have it in our power to shop or not to shop;
to spend; to save; to give it away...
'We the people' are stuck with the government/tax laws we have until we wake up and rise up/itifada and actively work v for change and that means we must vote and hold leaders accountable.
In Washington DC from May 17-20 TIKKUN [Hebrew for heal, repair and transform the world] will be having it's 2nd Conference for Spiritual Progressives and a Teach-In to Congress about;
"Seeking a New Bottom Line in the Western world so that institutions get judged efficient, rational or productive not only to the extent that they maximize money or power, but also to the extent that they maximize love and caring, kindness and generosity, ethically and ecologically sensitive behavior, and enhance our capacities to respond to other human beings as manifestations of the sacred and inherently valuable and to be respected."-Rabbi Michael Lerner
If you have had enough of complaining and want to do something then attend the conference and be a part of the solution.
DETAILS: http://www.tikkun.org/
Eye witness report on the first Spiritual Progressives Conference is on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Chapter 2: The Revolution has started now...
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Posted by: WyrdSister on May 1, 2006 6:33 AM
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I have applied for a few different positions within the coroporation from an individual store location to corporate headquarters and have been rejected due to the result of my "personality test". But, even if I had passed, I would refuse the manidory drug testing anyway.
For those of you in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area you will understand the reference to Target taking a page out of the Carlson Marketing Book of Brainwashing. One of the requirements to being a "good" employee is being a Corporate Cheerleader.
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Target does tend to throw a bunch of people at a problem, tell them little, and see who shakes out as Team Leader material, but what Target expects from Team Members is no different from any other well-managed operation. Target actually backs up these people with a consistent, review process, reasonable promotion possibilities, and fairly clear chains of command - things other companies only talk about...
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Posted by: balderkitty on May 1, 2006 9:45 AM
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Further, Target's Labor & Human Rights record is equivalent to Wal*Mart. Like Wal*Mart, a Target pharmacist refused to fill an emergency contraception prescription, and the "national headquarters of Target has not responded to three PPFA attempts to clarify its policy on pharmacist refusals.". Further, their employee policy is every bit as bad as Wal*Mart's.
If at all possible, I recommend all Alternet readers boycott both Wal*Mart and Target in favor of CostCo. Out of $222,303 in political donations, CostCo donates 99% ($220,303) to the Democrats and $2,000 (1%) to the GOP.
Costco's progressive employment policies reveals an employee-friendly corporation that deserves support.
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Posted by: jen52 on May 1, 2006 11:11 AM
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And, yes, employees need to be cross-trained so they can move throughout the store as needed if others call in sick or need to take breaks. And yes, we all get paid like crap, with the possible exception of our store manager. And we have contests for how many store-specific promotions we sell, but no one really cares. We just try to keep the managers happy and corporate off our backs.
The point is that low wages are a reality we all need to look at - and it's not just Target and Wal-Mart. Retail doesn't pay enough for people to live off. Period.
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Posted by: rclord on May 1, 2006 12:17 PM
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This store also had a lot of things you can buy at Walmart or any convenience store: video games, trashy books, cheap stationery.
Target may have a more "upscale" image, but it's only just that: an illusion. Their products are just as shoddy as Walmart's.
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Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on May 1, 2006 1:08 PM
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I don't see how you could complain about having to be on your feet all day, either, since I've yet to go into a Target and see anyone working from a chair. Sitting is what your lunch break is for in that type of environment.
I guess what I'm saying is that a good part, but not all, of the employee stories here are things that could be the problem of that one store. STORE management is supposed to do incentives; those are seldom done on the corporate level. This is why store managers and dept leaders have budgets and petty cash. If they don't use them, take it up with them- but that doesn't mean that the company is the twin sister of Wal-mart. Also, the woman complaining that the prize for signing someone up was only some candy or a soda? You get something for even ONE discount card signup? You're doing better than the Vicky's Secret girls, I'll tell you that, and they have to meet thier application numbers or get FIRED after about 3 misses. So, once again, stop the bitching.
Some of these articles are very adept at cherry-picking things that can easily be fixed at the store, or even the department, level. People are incompetent, and that's that. I'm not seeing much proof here that transgressions are institutionalized like they are at Wal-Bitch. I'm seeing regional and local probs.
As far as big companies are concerned, us progressives sitting here saying that mom-n-pops will save us all really need a reality check. MNPs don't pay well overall- if you're looking for $15 an hour in a local boutique, good luck with that. They often don't offer benefits. Vacatoin time can be pretty rare, considering how many people are on staff. The business is way more vulnerable to the personal foibles of management, too (trust me, a nasty owner can kill a business, even if you're working your ass off and people like you). We need to get out of this mindset of small=perfect. That's not the case, and society has progressed past this whether we like it or not. We have to fine-tune what we have in the present, not fall prey to useless reactionary thought patterns. That was then, this is now.
Let's talk about change, but keep it realistic at the same time!
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Posted by: finalcut on May 1, 2006 1:34 PM
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Well, this one and the "Tikkut" comment above that talked about how we are a nation of consumers as opposed to citizens.
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Posted by: polyquat50 on May 1, 2006 2:20 PM
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The problem in the USA isn't the employers, it's the antiquated labor laws and the culture of exploitation.
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Posted by: anothername on May 1, 2006 4:27 PM
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As the downtown Minneapolis Target store was opening, Best Buy was working with politicians in a city south of Minneapolis to declare eminent domain and move out businesses so Best Buy could build a large, rambling office complex for itself.
The Dairy Queen headquarters, also just south of Minneapolis also is in a rambling office park where squat buildings rise only slightly above the sea of parking spaces.
Wages at Mom and Pop stores may not be high, if there are even non-family jobs available, but in terms of opportunity, fewer box stores offer more opportunities for individuals to create and run their own businesses in competition.
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Posted by: antiapathy on May 2, 2006 6:59 AM
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I have no idea what the solution is (that Tikkun thing sounds like a start), but the problem is our culture. Until the masses start to questions their preconceptions that property and profit are to be revered over community and environment, we will continue to spiral toward the drain.
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Posted by: astraea on May 2, 2006 8:52 AM
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If we passed a Constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right of American workers to join a collective bargaining unit, we'd all have a lot more power to determine the nature of work in general. Geez...I mean, there are more of us low-wage workers than there are managers & CEO's...can't we get together and demand change?
Here's a start: 4 weeks vacation per year, minimum. A minimum wage of at least $10/hour. Guaranteed one hour lunch break. No overtime without overtime pay. Paid maternity or paternity leave of 6 weeks.
These are things that other countries do for their workers. Why can't we?
We have to ask for what we want.
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"You're running around, feeling like you're being pulled in every direction," she said. "There's never enough people on the sales floor. You're getting calls to come up to the cash register, to do pulls [of merchandise] in the back room, to deal with returns at guest services, all at once. And the whole time you're constantly picking up and folding stuff, getting things off the floor. At my age it's a really hard day, on your feet the whole time on these linoleum floors. I'm aching when I get home. I have to take Ibuprofen just to be able to sleep."
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Retail is hard work. It is physically demanding. You will have to put up with rude guests, people who think you're a high school drop-out and can't find anything better. People who talk down to you. Other team members who don't pull their weight. Bosses who want more from you because they need more. If it's not for you, don't do it! I thrive on this environment, I can't imagine sitting behind a desk all day.
And remember, every business' goal is to make more money. You just notice it when you're the one spending the money. So don't pick on retailers. If you work, you are there to make your company money, no matter what line of work you're in. We all make choices. If you don't like retail, don't work in it. If you don't like mass merchandisers, don't shop them.
And finally, there is no comparison between Target and Wal-Mart. So what if we sell similar merchandise? Take the clothing, for instance. Target has famous designers like Issac Mizrahi, Mossimo, Liz Lange, Tara Jarmon. Yeah, you'll a pay a few dollars more. But the difference in quality is well worth it. And the atmosphere. Who doesn't love wide open aisles, clean floors and pleasantly arranged displays? If you'd rather maneuver around pallets dropped in the middle of the aisles, be my guest. But keep in mind that we have created this. We have fostered the growth of the super stores, the mega centers. If you don't want to be a part of it, you don't have to be.
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Posted by: CRAIGGERRY on May 8, 2006 7:01 AM
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This story about Target is all about the Unions griping.
regarding Insurance: Target and Walmart both offer their associates that want it a catatrsophic insurance plan called Starbridge. Many of the employees are teenagers (who are invincible) and don't want insurance, and house wives who have better insurance through their full-time working spouses.
Mom & Pop stores buy from China too. they get the least expensive goods to sell to their customers, so those of you who think you are not buying from developing countries when you patronize these mom & pop stores should ask mom & pop where exactly do their goods come from.
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Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association wrote.
"Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud
sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during our
spring recognition event.
We received the following reply
from the local TARGET management: " Veterans do not meet our
area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action
groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education."
So I'm thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and
veterans in general, do not meet their donation criteria,
then something is really wrong at this TARGET store.
As a follow-up, I E-mailed the TARGET U.S. Corporate
Headquarters and their response was the same. That 's their
national policy.
Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow
the Marines to collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their
stores. And during the recent Iraq deployment, they would
not allow families of employees who were called up for
active duty to continue their insurance coverage while
they were on military service. Then as I dig further,
TARGET is a French-owned corporation.
Now, I'm thinking again. If TARGET cannot support American
Vet erans, then why should my family and I support their
stores by spending our hard earned American dollars!
And, have their profits sent to France.
Without the American Vets, where would France be today?
"They, most likely would be speaking German and trading in Deutsch Marks"
Sincerely,
Dick Forrey
Veterans Helping Veterans
What do you think?
Sincerely,
Wal-Mart Supporter
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Correction: he was PAID $23 million. Whether he earned it or not is another question.
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Posted by: lightwave22 on Sep 27, 2006 5:56 AM
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This is what we call the market system. We can complain about it as much as we want, but unless we find a better workable solution, thing will continue the way they are. What are the alternatives? Perhaps a heavier handed government. Perhaps socialism? Americans (and I) are typically not fond of either of these ideas.
For the record, I am not a fan of Walmart or the negative impacts of the market system, but I am a true believer in the market system itself. Perhaps it is "the worst, except for all others". See my article, "Is Wal-Mart Really to Blame" for more.
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What's irritating is the very premise of the article, which relies on a tired and distorting device of modern American journalism: the "false binary" question. We're all too familiar with the false binary (e.g., "GMO Food: Miracle Technology or Environmental Timebomb?") as it used with increasing frequency to frame most current television news stories, much of the stuff on NPR, and a lot of print articles, including this one.
To ask, "Is Target As Bad As Wal-Mart?" is essentially to ask which one is worse -- or, in other words, "Target: Wal-Mart's Better Rival or Its Evil Twin?"
That might work on local TV news, but that is not really the question (or the issue), nor should we really be concerned with the answer. The fact is, both are bad, as is the vast majority of modern corporate retailing. To get into a fine-grained discussion over which is marginally better or worse is to miss the much larger and salient point, which is that we must boycott and ultimately dismantle big box corporate retailing as a model for distributing (and, by extension, producing) goods in our society.
Asking whether Target or Wal-Mart is worse is like asking whether Coke or Pepsi is better for your health. One may have marginally more sugar or preservatives, but that's not the point: All corporate-produced, empty calorie soft drinks are bad for people's health. Who cares which company makes them the slightly less bad one?
Lydersen's article ends with another (albeit implied) false binary, which is the last subhead in bold: "Could It Be Different?" The implied binary is, of course, could it be different or must it stay the same? (i.e., is there no other way to sell things to people?). That's such a ridiculously offensive question that it should not even be posed. Would Lydersen and the crack Alternot editorial team really have us believe that there's no other way to sell products at the retail level?
Instead of wasting the readers' time with paragraph after paragraph of stuff we either already know or at least suspect (or should) -- interspersed with insipid questions that insult our intelligence -- they should be elaborating on exactly what the alternative models are. The brief mentions of unionized grocery stores and Costco begin to head in that direction, only for the article to promptly end.
Asking and then answering a question that few readers could possibly have entertained is hardly a service to one's audience. That kind of navel-gazing, tail-chasing, time-wasting fluff may satisfy the Beltway mandarins who read the Washington Post, but we expect better.
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Posted by: cry0fan on May 1, 2006 5:21 AM
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Of course this article is nothing but overclass propaganda. The overclass, in this article, is trying to put the focus on some particular evildoer and trying to build the impression that the problem with American labor market is just one or two employers. Focus your attention on one or two suspects and pay no attention to the overclass manipulations going on behind the curtain.
One of the strategies behind the overclass manipulation of America through propaganda is the creation of a PseudoLeft that distracts American leftism from a true Left agenda. This all started decades ago, when the plutocrats founded the large nonprofit foundations. This really started about 100 years ago, with the first and biggest plutocrat of them all, Rockefeller, who started the Rockefeller Foundation> From wikipedia:
The overt is to give us the philathropic view of the foundations as promoters of humanitarian causes and ideals,while the second is used to channel funds to clandentine causes which further American Foreign Policy, of course it looks even better if they are seen as being funded by a charitable organisation. Prior to founding the Rockefeller Foundation Ivy Lee (public relations consultant) adviced JD Rockefeller to use the foundation not only to evade income tax but to also use it as tool to influence academic circles through research grants. By way of funding academic studies into sociology and other research projects
Then Henry Ford and the CIA and the FBI got into the propaganda biz a few decades later using the Ford Foundation to subvert leftism.
From James Petra's article on ratical.org:
One of the Ford Foundation's first Cold War projects was the establishment of a publishing house, Inter-cultural Publications, and the publication of a magazine Perspectives in Europe in four languages. The Ford Foundation's purpose according to Bissell was not "so much to defeat the leftist intellectuals in dialectical combat (sic) as to lure them away from their positions"
Bisell went from the CIA to the Ford Foundation.
THe vast monies the overclass poured into these nonprofit foundations are what is used to subvert leftism by diverting leftists from the causes and ideas that would hurt the overclass. What are the overclass trying to distract us from? Populist Leftist economics is what they want to distract us from. In Europe, populist leftist economics rules. The Europeans force ALL employers to behave. They focus on the big picture--the minimum wage in Europe is about 10 dollars an hour! Universal healthcare for everyone--paid for by taxes, independent of employers. And most European countries mandate a max of 40 hours a week or even less.
You think they got where they are now by focusing their attention on one or two big employers?
The articles that you read on Alternet and other Leftist sites are actually PseudoLeft articles that borne out of the PseudoLeft political culture created by these large nonprofit foundations. This started decades ago, and is carried on now without even knowing how or why things are the way they are today. This is the Cargo Cult effect that creates the PseudoLeft cultural momentum that we see on the front page of Alternet today. All these articles on Alternet, Salon, DKOS, DU, Mother Jones, etc. are for the most part, distractions from our real causes. They are less harmful to the overclass than populist leftist economics.
This is not conspiracy. This is strategy.
Pay no attention to the overclass behind the curtain!
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Also, Target gave 70% of its donation to Republicans in 2004 alone and will probably give an even greater percentage to the GOP this year.
Target may be next to my state of ND but to tell the difference between Walmart and Target is as easy as telling the difference between the humans and the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm !
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Posted by: eileenflmng on May 1, 2006 5:59 AM
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Only 'we the people' can change our spending habits-
we the people have it in our power to shop or not to shop;
to spend; to save; to give it away...
'We the people' are stuck with the government/tax laws we have until we wake up and rise up/itifada and actively work v for change and that means we must vote and hold leaders accountable.
In Washington DC from May 17-20 TIKKUN [Hebrew for heal, repair and transform the world] will be having it's 2nd Conference for Spiritual Progressives and a Teach-In to Congress about;
"Seeking a New Bottom Line in the Western world so that institutions get judged efficient, rational or productive not only to the extent that they maximize money or power, but also to the extent that they maximize love and caring, kindness and generosity, ethically and ecologically sensitive behavior, and enhance our capacities to respond to other human beings as manifestations of the sacred and inherently valuable and to be respected."-Rabbi Michael Lerner
If you have had enough of complaining and want to do something then attend the conference and be a part of the solution.
DETAILS: http://www.tikkun.org/
Eye witness report on the first Spiritual Progressives Conference is on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Chapter 2: The Revolution has started now...
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Posted by: WyrdSister on May 1, 2006 6:33 AM
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I have applied for a few different positions within the coroporation from an individual store location to corporate headquarters and have been rejected due to the result of my "personality test". But, even if I had passed, I would refuse the manidory drug testing anyway.
For those of you in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area you will understand the reference to Target taking a page out of the Carlson Marketing Book of Brainwashing. One of the requirements to being a "good" employee is being a Corporate Cheerleader.
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Target does tend to throw a bunch of people at a problem, tell them little, and see who shakes out as Team Leader material, but what Target expects from Team Members is no different from any other well-managed operation. Target actually backs up these people with a consistent, review process, reasonable promotion possibilities, and fairly clear chains of command - things other companies only talk about...
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Posted by: balderkitty on May 1, 2006 9:45 AM
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Further, Target's Labor & Human Rights record is equivalent to Wal*Mart. Like Wal*Mart, a Target pharmacist refused to fill an emergency contraception prescription, and the "national headquarters of Target has not responded to three PPFA attempts to clarify its policy on pharmacist refusals.". Further, their employee policy is every bit as bad as Wal*Mart's.
If at all possible, I recommend all Alternet readers boycott both Wal*Mart and Target in favor of CostCo. Out of $222,303 in political donations, CostCo donates 99% ($220,303) to the Democrats and $2,000 (1%) to the GOP.
Costco's progressive employment policies reveals an employee-friendly corporation that deserves support.
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And, yes, employees need to be cross-trained so they can move throughout the store as needed if others call in sick or need to take breaks. And yes, we all get paid like crap, with the possible exception of our store manager. And we have contests for how many store-specific promotions we sell, but no one really cares. We just try to keep the managers happy and corporate off our backs.
The point is that low wages are a reality we all need to look at - and it's not just Target and Wal-Mart. Retail doesn't pay enough for people to live off. Period.
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Posted by: rclord on May 1, 2006 12:17 PM
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This store also had a lot of things you can buy at Walmart or any convenience store: video games, trashy books, cheap stationery.
Target may have a more "upscale" image, but it's only just that: an illusion. Their products are just as shoddy as Walmart's.
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I don't see how you could complain about having to be on your feet all day, either, since I've yet to go into a Target and see anyone working from a chair. Sitting is what your lunch break is for in that type of environment.
I guess what I'm saying is that a good part, but not all, of the employee stories here are things that could be the problem of that one store. STORE management is supposed to do incentives; those are seldom done on the corporate level. This is why store managers and dept leaders have budgets and petty cash. If they don't use them, take it up with them- but that doesn't mean that the company is the twin sister of Wal-mart. Also, the woman complaining that the prize for signing someone up was only some candy or a soda? You get something for even ONE discount card signup? You're doing better than the Vicky's Secret girls, I'll tell you that, and they have to meet thier application numbers or get FIRED after about 3 misses. So, once again, stop the bitching.
Some of these articles are very adept at cherry-picking things that can easily be fixed at the store, or even the department, level. People are incompetent, and that's that. I'm not seeing much proof here that transgressions are institutionalized like they are at Wal-Bitch. I'm seeing regional and local probs.
As far as big companies are concerned, us progressives sitting here saying that mom-n-pops will save us all really need a reality check. MNPs don't pay well overall- if you're looking for $15 an hour in a local boutique, good luck with that. They often don't offer benefits. Vacatoin time can be pretty rare, considering how many people are on staff. The business is way more vulnerable to the personal foibles of management, too (trust me, a nasty owner can kill a business, even if you're working your ass off and people like you). We need to get out of this mindset of small=perfect. That's not the case, and society has progressed past this whether we like it or not. We have to fine-tune what we have in the present, not fall prey to useless reactionary thought patterns. That was then, this is now.
Let's talk about change, but keep it realistic at the same time!
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Well, this one and the "Tikkut" comment above that talked about how we are a nation of consumers as opposed to citizens.
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The problem in the USA isn't the employers, it's the antiquated labor laws and the culture of exploitation.
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As the downtown Minneapolis Target store was opening, Best Buy was working with politicians in a city south of Minneapolis to declare eminent domain and move out businesses so Best Buy could build a large, rambling office complex for itself.
The Dairy Queen headquarters, also just south of Minneapolis also is in a rambling office park where squat buildings rise only slightly above the sea of parking spaces.
Wages at Mom and Pop stores may not be high, if there are even non-family jobs available, but in terms of opportunity, fewer box stores offer more opportunities for individuals to create and run their own businesses in competition.
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Posted by: antiapathy on May 2, 2006 6:59 AM
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I have no idea what the solution is (that Tikkun thing sounds like a start), but the problem is our culture. Until the masses start to questions their preconceptions that property and profit are to be revered over community and environment, we will continue to spiral toward the drain.
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If we passed a Constitutional amendment guaranteeing the right of American workers to join a collective bargaining unit, we'd all have a lot more power to determine the nature of work in general. Geez...I mean, there are more of us low-wage workers than there are managers & CEO's...can't we get together and demand change?
Here's a start: 4 weeks vacation per year, minimum. A minimum wage of at least $10/hour. Guaranteed one hour lunch break. No overtime without overtime pay. Paid maternity or paternity leave of 6 weeks.
These are things that other countries do for their workers. Why can't we?
We have to ask for what we want.
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"You're running around, feeling like you're being pulled in every direction," she said. "There's never enough people on the sales floor. You're getting calls to come up to the cash register, to do pulls [of merchandise] in the back room, to deal with returns at guest services, all at once. And the whole time you're constantly picking up and folding stuff, getting things off the floor. At my age it's a really hard day, on your feet the whole time on these linoleum floors. I'm aching when I get home. I have to take Ibuprofen just to be able to sleep."
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Posted by: hnkirk on May 6, 2006 12:09 PM
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Retail is hard work. It is physically demanding. You will have to put up with rude guests, people who think you're a high school drop-out and can't find anything better. People who talk down to you. Other team members who don't pull their weight. Bosses who want more from you because they need more. If it's not for you, don't do it! I thrive on this environment, I can't imagine sitting behind a desk all day.
And remember, every business' goal is to make more money. You just notice it when you're the one spending the money. So don't pick on retailers. If you work, you are there to make your company money, no matter what line of work you're in. We all make choices. If you don't like retail, don't work in it. If you don't like mass merchandisers, don't shop them.
And finally, there is no comparison between Target and Wal-Mart. So what if we sell similar merchandise? Take the clothing, for instance. Target has famous designers like Issac Mizrahi, Mossimo, Liz Lange, Tara Jarmon. Yeah, you'll a pay a few dollars more. But the difference in quality is well worth it. And the atmosphere. Who doesn't love wide open aisles, clean floors and pleasantly arranged displays? If you'd rather maneuver around pallets dropped in the middle of the aisles, be my guest. But keep in mind that we have created this. We have fostered the growth of the super stores, the mega centers. If you don't want to be a part of it, you don't have to be.
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Posted by: CRAIGGERRY on May 8, 2006 7:01 AM
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This story about Target is all about the Unions griping.
regarding Insurance: Target and Walmart both offer their associates that want it a catatrsophic insurance plan called Starbridge. Many of the employees are teenagers (who are invincible) and don't want insurance, and house wives who have better insurance through their full-time working spouses.
Mom & Pop stores buy from China too. they get the least expensive goods to sell to their customers, so those of you who think you are not buying from developing countries when you patronize these mom & pop stores should ask mom & pop where exactly do their goods come from.
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Posted by: Alterviews on May 9, 2006 7:05 AM
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Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association wrote.
"Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud
sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during our
spring recognition event.
We received the following reply
from the local TARGET management: " Veterans do not meet our
area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action
groups, gay & lesbian causes, and education."
So I'm thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and
veterans in general, do not meet their donation criteria,
then something is really wrong at this TARGET store.
As a follow-up, I E-mailed the TARGET U.S. Corporate
Headquarters and their response was the same. That 's their
national policy.
Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow
the Marines to collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their
stores. And during the recent Iraq deployment, they would
not allow families of employees who were called up for
active duty to continue their insurance coverage while
they were on military service. Then as I dig further,
TARGET is a French-owned corporation.
Now, I'm thinking again. If TARGET cannot support American
Vet erans, then why should my family and I support their
stores by spending our hard earned American dollars!
And, have their profits sent to France.
Without the American Vets, where would France be today?
"They, most likely would be speaking German and trading in Deutsch Marks"
Sincerely,
Dick Forrey
Veterans Helping Veterans
What do you think?
Sincerely,
Wal-Mart Supporter
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Posted by: hnkirk on May 11, 2006 4:48 PM
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Posted by: LetsBeFair on Sep 7, 2006 3:25 AM
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Correction: he was PAID $23 million. Whether he earned it or not is another question.
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Posted by: lightwave22 on Sep 27, 2006 5:56 AM
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This is what we call the market system. We can complain about it as much as we want, but unless we find a better workable solution, thing will continue the way they are. What are the alternatives? Perhaps a heavier handed government. Perhaps socialism? Americans (and I) are typically not fond of either of these ideas.
For the record, I am not a fan of Walmart or the negative impacts of the market system, but I am a true believer in the market system itself. Perhaps it is "the worst, except for all others". See my article, "Is Wal-Mart Really to Blame" for more.
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