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The Battle Against Letting Wall Street Continue to Make a Killing on Derivatives

Protections for consumers and Wall Street's skullduggery are at stake in an obscure series of hearings going on in Congress right now.
October 21, 2009  |  
 
 
 
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Early in the morning, outside the House Financial Services Committee hearing room in the Rayburn office building last week, there were scruffy ex-homeless and other low-income folks, wearing their dreadlocks or sloppy jeans, mixed in with the pinstriped reps for the financial industry.

They all seemed to be lining up to see what $223 million in financial lobbying in the first six months of this year could buy in thwarting real reform on Capitol Hill. And they were hoping to get the few dozen of the public seats available inside the room, for a critical 10 a.m. hearing marking up a bill that was supposed to regulate the now-private market in complex "derivatives."

Those derivatives are nominally worth at least $450 trillion worldwide, with $555 billion in credit at risk in the U.S. banking industry. (Derivatives are forms of insurance or bets on underlying assets, such as now-toxic subprime mortgages, supposedly designed to manage risk.) No wonder Warren Buffett called them "financial weapons of mass destruction."

The derivatives bill is a cornerstone of the Obama administration's already-weakened reform plans that include a Consumer Financial Protection Agency facing a final vote this week.

On the Sunday talk shows, administration officials blasted Wall Street executives for paying big bonuses. But their rhetoric on pay hasn't been matched by a unified, strong effort to rein in unregulated derivatives trading, Hill sources say, such as the toxic "credit default swaps" AIG used to help sink the economy.

And with $15 billion in profits from derivatives trading in the first half of 2009, according to Treasury Department figures, it's still a major source of huge bonuses for investment bankers.

But instead, the administration has put its shrinking political capital behind saving the CFPA this week from the assaults of Republicans, the Chamber of Commerce and community bankers who claim, as usual, that it means job-killing over-regulation.

And it seems to have paid off: A sweeping amendment proposed by centrist Democrat Rep. Melissa Bean, D-Ill., to preempt tougher state enforcement seems, surprisingly, likely to fail.

Yet the administration's purportedly high-priority agency legislation is already much weaker on protecting consumers from fraudulent or confusing loans than originally proposed. In addition, nothing in the current slate of embattled reform measures under consideration directly address either the foreclosure crisis or the ongoing credit shortages that are still costing jobs and homes. Their goal, in theory, is just to prevent future abuses.

And by the time the derivatives bill was finalized last Thursday, that legislation also bore little resemblance to the original White House proposal in June to regulate most derivatives on public exchanges designed to create transparency .

"The whole bill essentially has so many loopholes for every rule, it not only puts us back where we were in August 2008, but the banks have eliminated what little [derivatives] regulation existed, so we'll arguably be in worse shape than before Lehman Bros. failed," says Michael Greenberger, the former director of trading and marketing for the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and a University of Maryland law professor.

So what the hell happened to the White House's apparently good intentions to regulate derivatives, and what does it all say about the likely fate of financial reform after the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression?

And what about those poor people turning out to see the mark-up: Were they a nascent sign of a growing populist revolt against banking CEOs who took $17.5 trillion in federal bailouts, loans and guarantees with no strings attached after wrecking the world economy?


Art Levine is a contributing editor of the Washington Monthly and a former fellow with the Progressive Policy Institute. He has also written for Mother Jones, the American Prospect, the New Republic, the Atlantic, Slate, Salon and numerous other publications. He is the author of 2005's PPI report, "Parity-Plus: A Third Way Approach to Fix America's Mental Health System," and he is currently researching a book on mental health issues. Levine also posts commentary at Art Levine Confidential
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We Are So Screwed ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 21, 2009 1:06 AM   
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You know, us, the bottom 99% of the population ... The Republicans are raving lunatics desirous of Armageddon. The corrupted Democrats are scared of their own shadows. Our political system is completely dysfunctional, broken beyond repair. Meanwhile America accelerates towards depression.

The so-called recovery is all manipulation of the stock market, ginning the financial statistics, Corporate Media Spin and huge US Government spending that can't continue much longer.

Even after tens of billions of Treasury and Federal Reserve largess, Bank of America and Citi Bank are still losing money. Four trillion dollars already lost and charged to tax payers and another 17 trillion dollars in guarantees and support destined to be siphoned into Wall Street pockets and thrown into the black hole they call the financial sector.

A Look at Your Likely Future

But don't stop fighting ... the future will be forged by the fighters ... Keep hounding Congress and the White House for progressive legislation ... Our future depends on our diligence ... Someone will be in charge after this thing they call an economy implodes ... it might as well be us !

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"C'mon back Suckers, the Wall Street Casino needs YOUR money!"
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 21, 2009 3:01 AM   
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WALL STREET PONZI SCHEME CONTINUES UNABATED

And the Obama Administration is top heavy with Goldman people who are not about to kill the Goldman hen that is laying golden eggs. Witness last week, where the S.E.C hired a former Goldman executive, Adam Storch, as the chief operating officer of its enforcement unit.

Far more ominous is the 600 trillion dollar derivative market in the shadows which has purposely been kept from public scrutiny by both the Clinton and Bush administrations but is now about to makes its belated appearance during the Obama administration ~ thanks to PBS's FRONTLINE / THE WARNING.

The must see story that veteran producer / director Michael Kirk (Inside the Meltdown, Breaking the Bank) reports in this Tuesday night's FRONTLINE is both riveting, illuminating and the perfect follow through for Michael Moore's Capitalism / A Love Story ~ for Michael never really gets his questions answered about Derivatives.

Sifting the ashes of the financial meltdown, Kirk finds a lawyer named Brooksley Born, who, from her perch at the little-known Commodities Futures Trading Commission, tried to convince the country's key economic power players to do something which may have helped avert the financial crisis: regulate the increasingly high-risk financial instruments called "derivatives."

"They were totally opposed to it," Born says of the fierce resistance to regulation she met from Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, and the other members of President Clinton's "working group" ~ a highly influential and secretive body that determined the country's economic policy. In her first television interview, Born tells FRONTLINE that she was "puzzled" by the opposition she faced in Washington. "What was it that was in this market that had to be hidden?"

Excerpt: The Warning / On air and online October 20, 2009 at
www.pbs.org/frontline/warning

"Born's battle behind closed doors was epic," Kirk finds. The members of the President's Working Group vehemently opposed regulation ~ especially when proposed by a Washington outsider like Born.

Greenspan, Rubin and Summers ultimately prevailed on Congress to stop Born and limit future regulation of derivatives.


Hey, don't pay any attention to those Wall Street gangsters stealing from your 401K account and your pension fund, look over here, we've got another message from the dead Bin Laden and boy, is he mad!!

If we screw up AGAIN and really crash the economy, the next time we'll bomb Iran and all hell will break loose in the ME, giving us the excuse to declare martial law, until 'security' has been restored... which will be never.

How does it feel to be an economic slave to Wall Street Banksters?

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A Tangled Web Indeed
Posted by: gazooks on Oct 21, 2009 3:23 AM   
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As cited below by the ONLY reporting entity for OTC derivatives trading, to simply unwind the existing contracts with a notional value of about $600 trillion would cost $33 trillion. Guess who would pay for that.

Given that these contracts are MAJOR revenue for banks on a quarterly basis by way of 'premiums' paid by counterparties along with the origination and trading fees, have a average life-span of 5 years and are currently being created despite the public controversy, we are, as posted above, screwed.


Here's the latest stats (May) from the BIS on OTC derivatives;

OTC derivatives market activity in the second half of 2008

19 May 2009

The total notional amount of over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives contracts outstanding was $592.0 trillion at the end of December 2008, 13.4% lower than six months earlier. The decline is the first since collection of the data began in 1998. Credit market turmoil and the multilateral netting of contracts led to a contraction of 26.9% in outstanding credit default swaps (CDS). The second half of 2008 also saw the first significant decline of OTC derivatives contracts outstanding in the interest rate market (8.6%) and in the foreign exchange market (21%).

Despite the drop in amounts outstanding, movements of financial market prices in the second half of 2008 lifted gross market values 66.5%, to $33.9 trillion. Gross market values measure the cost of replacing all existing contracts and are thus a better measure of market risk than notional amounts outstanding.

The statistical release cites the following trends in the second half of 2008:

CDS volumes continued to contract
Commodity derivatives markets declined by two thirds
The market value of interest rate products almost doubled
Comprehensive explanatory notes in the release define the coverage of the statistics and the terms used in presenting them.

Any queries arising from these statistics can be directed to:

Carlos Mallo tel: +41 61 280 8256; e-mail: carlos.mallo@bis.org

Jacob Gyntelberg tel: +41 61 280 8891; e-mail: jacob.gyntelberg@bis.org

The BIS expects to release the OTC derivatives statistics for the first half of 2009 no later than 30 November 2009.

NO politician is willing to be held responsible for the costs of extricating American banks from this maze of 'risk averting' contracts. NO politician wants to be responsible for what happens if we do not kill this private market dead.

The global economy is inextricably dependent on these instruments for day to day functionality very much like a junkie is dependent on a supply of smack. Nobody can make this go away without a literal world of financial hurt resulting. Nobody can avoid an even more dire result if we do not unwind and abandon this dark market from hell.

Please send your cards and letters of thanks and congratulation directly to Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers and little Tim. Patriots ALL!

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What Good Are They?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 21, 2009 6:34 AM   
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Old fashioned derivatives, simple puts and calls, serve the purpose of managing risk. They originated with farmers trying to guarantee themselves a future price for a crop they are planting.

In contrast, the complicated derivatives that are at the root of the recent banking failure were designed to disguise risk rather than manage it. They are gambling instruments that, if allowed at all, should be offered at off-track betting sites where people know they will most likely lose. Banks should not be allowed to even get near them.

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WALL STREET RUINS NATIONS
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 21, 2009 6:49 AM   
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WEALTH + INCOME

“God Bless The Rich”
Please raise your glass of champagne to honor Reagan and Bush II

WEALTH
From 1980 to 2007
Top 1% got 35.4% of Total Wealth Increase
Bottom 60% got 11.2%

Nonhome Wealth
Top 1% got 42.5%of total increase
Bottom 60% got 5.6%

Reagan Tax Cuts—

60% for richest—
1980—top 1% got 20.5% of Wealth
1989---top 1% got 35.7% or Wealth for a 78.5% Increase

Clinton tax on richest and tax cuts for lowest income helped get a small change in direction
1992—top 1% got 37.2% of Wealth
2001---top 1% got 33.4% of Wealth

INCOME

From 1980 to 2007
Top 1% got 44.1% of Total Income Increase
Bottom 60% got 12.4%

2001-2008—1% got 491 B in Tax Breaks—annual income exceeded 1.5 million
and put 1% Income at highest percent of Total Income since 1928

Bottom 99% got $3.74 in debt for each $1 in tax cuts 2001-2006

In that time, equal protection and housing for the elderly was slashed 20% adjusted for inflation. Community Development Block Grant cut 32% and lack of health insurance was epidemic.

400 taxpayers with highest income doubled income 2002-2006. Hear Wall Street roar as it crashed in 2007. Party time was over.

The richest 400 reported an average $214 million each in 2005 on federal income tax returns in 2005—up from $104 million in 2002. Doubled.

The 400 richest taxpayers paid only 18% of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2005—down from 30% in 1995—a 66% Tax Cut. Thanks Ron. Thanks George.

Many of the provisions of the 2001 and 2003 Tax Cuts are scheduled to expire at the end of 2010.

IF OBAMA AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS MAKE PERMANENT --THEY ARE GONE GONE GONE-FIRED

If made permanent, the top 1% of Households would receive nearly $1200 Billion in Tax Cuts from 2009 through 2018 per cbpp.org

Obama campaigned on eliminating them. Please note this promise.

The poorest 20% would get a magnanimous tax cut of $45 per year. Whoopee!

NET WORTH

2007-top 20% had 85%--bottom 80% had 15%
2007-nonhome worth—20% had 93% and 80% had 7%
2007-Income-20% got 60% and 80% got 40%

Oh! Such a Fair and Balanced Nation! So Christ-Like. Makes me so proud.

cswinney2@triad.rr.com
political historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush II administrations

Above from Holly Sklar co-author of “Raise The Floor: Wages and Policies That Work For All Of Us” hsklar@aol.com --Part from writings of Edward.Wolff@nyu.edu who is considered top authority on Wealth in America

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RAPE BY WALL STREET
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 21, 2009 6:59 AM   
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Rape of Middle class from 1980 to 2009

SOLUTIONS--
A. Remove Social Security Cap--Why should very rich pay 1/1000th and Middle Class pay 6.2%

B. Increase Dividend Tax from 15 to 28%. Capital vs Labor. Be Fair.
Coal Miner pays 28% and man sitting on butt pays 15% Labor is as important as capital.
Try doing without either.

C. Estate Tax Increase.

D. Increase Corp profit Tax.

E. Public Finance Elections.--Candidate cannot use any money except that given by the public.

F. Wall Street—Revert back to selling stock to raise funds for corporations to create jobs.

Eliminate the operations which are mere Gambling in a Rich Man’s Casino. Want to gamble go to Las Vegas.

G.Rebuild strong honest Unions.Labor must fight for a Fair share of profits.

Those suggestions will return us to the Democratic Philosophy of PAY YOUR WAY.

Go away from Republican philosophy of-- Spend and Borrow Let Kids Pay Tomorrow.

1945 to 1981--Each percentile increased in Wealth and Income almost evenly in percentage.

The GREAT MIDDLE CLASS ERA

Reagan big tax cuts of 60% (70 to 28) for Richest, 40% to Big Corporations -Dividend Rate Cut for Wall Street.

Tax Increases of biggest in history:

the Social Security Tax Increase--A Tax on elderly on 50% of Social Security Income--Five cent tax on Gas.

Bush Big Tax cuts for Very Rich.

RESULTS

from 1980 to 2007

Top 1% got 35.4% of Total Wealth Increase

Top 1% got 44.1% of Total Income Growth

In 2007 a not so pretty picture

NET WORTH

top 20% owned 85% of Total Wealth and bottom 80% owned 15%
Of nonhome wealth top 20% owned 93% and 80% owned 7%

top 20% got 60% of Total Income growth and 80% got 40%

It is a disaster for the future of the huge Middle Class.

A small few own the majority.

Will we ever get a Congress and President willing to do what is FAIR.

Redistribute the Income and Wealth.

I fear for our future.

clarence swinney
political historian
Lifeaholics of America
author-Lifeaholic--workaholic to lifeaholic success
author unpublished-All American Party-How Democrats created a Great Middle Class
and Conservatives are determined to destroy it.
GOD BLESS AMERICA

FACTS DESTROY REPUBLICANS

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Stop them NOW.........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 21, 2009 7:00 AM   
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"Derivatives are forms of insurance or bets on underlying assets, such as now-toxic subprime mortgages, supposedly designed to manage risk."

Derivatives are bets! And they are the main reason for the economic mess, NOT THE SO-CALLED TOXIC MORTGAGES!
These liars have everyone believing that is was the people who weren't qualified to buy those homes, NO! It was the gambling that those people were doing, without the benefit of any REAL MONEY, I repeat REAL MONEY backing up the bets along with financial bonuses that are to the moon, that have set off our (read: taxpayers) current economic crises!

If these greedy bastards aren't stopped NOW, we the taxpayers will continue to suffer again and again, and again! You people can continue to tout the "FREE MARKET" and how they will regulate themselves all you want to! That's about as smart as leaving 2 three year olds in a room with a loaded gun, and wondering why 1 if not both of the children are shot?!?! DUH! Frankly, I want rules, regulations, and someone INDEPENDENT looking over the shoulders of these people! I want people that are not connected with these bastards, and can't be influenced by their money (remember: Arthur Anderson/Enron)! Because believe me, another crisis is going to happen, and these jokers are only looking out for themselves! And once again, it will be the taxpayers on the line for their private casino games! And just in case people have forgotten, our Chinese Bankers are not going to bankroll US forever!

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KISS
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 21, 2009 7:07 AM   
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GOOD SIMPLE INFORMATION
GOOGLE
CLARENCE SWINNEY
+ DEMOCRATS
+ REPUBLICANS
+ CLINTON
+ REAGAN
+ CARTER
+ BUSH WAFFLES (IS HE NOT A LOON?)

DEMOCRATS HAVE MUCH ON WHICH TO BOAST BUT REFUSE TO USE IT.
I died when Kerry let Bush say to his face :"You are just another Kennedy Tax & Spend Liberal"

Kerry-Edwards-Dean-Dnc etc had been sent my Rebuttal which would have destroyed Bush.

Sometimes I throw up my hands at D spokespersons.

There are many simple facts to present. No genius required.

O is being attacked on Spending-Debt-Deficits

Here are six easy numbers to recall and use to attack

1000-11,000
600--3600
1830-3600
23-33
138-1
$110,000,000
13

200 years to get 1000B of Debt.--20 years of 3 Conservatives and now 11,000.

Carter last year spent 600 now 3600 for 2009 fiscal.

Clinton last year spent 1830 now 3600.

20 years 3 Conservatives=23M Net new jobs=1,150,000 per year

12 years= carter+ clinton=33M Net new jobs=2,750,000 per year or twice as many per year.

138=reagan people charged with crimes--clinton (one) convicted of a felony

$110,000,000 General Accounting Office number for Newt expenditures on Hearings/Investigations trying to destroy Clinton

13 Hearings in Congress on what was known to be a normal legal borrow $200,000--buy 210 acres-cut roads-sell lots--McDougal had made small fortune doing it for decades--No crime.

Bush has so many bad things it takes pages--A Total Disaster for America.No way to spin it out of existence
the way Conservatives spent millions re-inventing Reagan average record. It worked.
Young people actually believe Reagan was a Great president. He has not one GREAT number. Not one.

clarence swinney
cswinney2@triad.rr.com

Available for a very exciting presentation THE ALL AMERICAN PARTY

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WALL STREET MAKING A KILLING? NOT SO FAST
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 21, 2009 7:34 AM   
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Wall Streets's actions are killing the rest of us. Everything we try to do in the best interest of the public is headed off at the pass by the lobbyists. Health care, banking and securuties regulation are both being fought with big bucks. I'm willing to bet that not a single person objecting to regulating deriviatives KNOWS what a derivative is.
They cannot give a definition. All the people involved in blocking what's best for the rest of us should pool their personal pennies including end of the year bonuses. Then they can all bet on a dead horse for all I care. The most important factor here gets very little attention, Banks are not gambling with the 'bank's' money. The money belongs to the public. K-Street does not represent the public, they act on causes and whoever pays the most money. They are currently holding us hostage along with our health insurance and savings. That's who's making a killing. ANNA

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How's that "change" working out for you?
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 21, 2009 8:02 AM   
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Just find a corner, put a cardboard sign around your neck that says "Will work for food" and hold your hat out to the motorists at the redlight and you'll get the kind of "change" Obama has brought.

If you work for a living and vote Demopublican, you get what you deserve...WAR, HOMELESSNESS AND UNEMPLOYMENT!

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Soup Kitchens Will Be Open 25/7
Posted by: melpol on Oct 21, 2009 8:20 AM   
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Accepting the fact that 15-20% unemployment will be the rule is a bitter pill to swallow. But there are no industries left in the nation to employ all Americans. The government cannot create miracles. Building massive soup kitchens and homeless shelters will supply some jobs. But all is not gloom, the good life will still be around for the more fortunate.

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For anyone that will listen!
Posted by: bh on Oct 21, 2009 8:30 AM   
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A friend of mine was a CEO for a mid-size Insurance company. As you can imagine he retired very well off. As we spoke yesterday he finally admitted that the stock market is a complete joke. It's fixed and a scheme. Yes, he admitted you can make some money during corrections but basically it's rigged to take your money. He does not have one cent in the market. And he could have millions if he so desired. He said that the regs have not been changed to protect the average guy. And Wall Street will be coming after your money again in a few years. This is coming from a guy that sits on the Board of Directors for several National recognized companies. From the horses mouth my friends. Be very aware, protect your assets!

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Wall street is enough of a casino!!! Leave these goddamn crap games to Las Vagas, where people
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 21, 2009 9:29 AM   
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at least know the house wins & they loose!!!

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In the absence of Bush/Obama paybacks/cronyism, there'd be no issue.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 21, 2009 9:49 AM   
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People make bets all the time, using all sorts of constructs, rational or not.

That'd be their business, succeed or fail, win or lose, with their and their partners money...except we've let our elected edge us even further into ownership of these inherently risky enterprises.

Why in the goddamn sam hill would anyone who really represents the people buy a "toxic asset"? Do you feed your children "toxic flakes" for breakfast?

They're broken, and it is a sad day to see the American taxpayer under assault to pay for so much (whatever your feelings on the "free stuff" issues of the day, the fact is that Obama is setting records that made his awful predecessor look like an amateur on overdrafting the citizens' checkbook), and then finance the bets of bad gamblers besdies.

The best place for the free market is the hell out of my taxes, thanks, and it would work just fine there, more or less.

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And there it is
Posted by: willymack on Oct 21, 2009 9:57 AM   
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Lesee if I got it straight:
1. The neocon crooks have almost all the money
2. They use part of the money to buy off politicians.
3.The politicians control the cops and "security" forces who are armed with guns, tasers, pepper spray, and other unpleasant devices which they employ whenever people gather to protest or otherwise get "uppity", so
4. The neocon crooks run the show, and can do anything they damn well please.
Am I right or am right?

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b kenneth mcgee author: eyes shut tight
Posted by: rfgtile on Oct 21, 2009 12:53 PM   
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It is only a matter of time until the bank lobby tries to get congress to pass a law making people who are in credit card default designataed as indentured servants. They will not keep these folks, of course..they bill bundle them as derivatives and sell them to the agriculture and service industires. SHAZAMM.......the illegal alien problem is solvedl, they all go home and the unions are busted! Should be a breeze in the Senate Finance Committee!

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Blowing Bubbles Is A Complete Waste Of Time - It Contributes NOTHING
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 21, 2009 1:12 PM   
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Investment Banks (Normally Now Refered to as Casinos) and Governments (Normally Refered To as Cock Sucking Idiots) have totally lost the idea of what Money was invented For...

They think it was invented so that they can maintain their PLEASURES

But it wasn't.

Money has ONE Purpose

It is to Motivate People To Do Useful Work and To Easily Exchange Their Valuable Work Between Each Other

You Idiots Are Going To Be Replaced

Tony

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AlVeerhoff
Posted by: Aveerhoff on Oct 21, 2009 6:51 PM   
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Maybe Mr. Levine doesn't know about the line-standers at Congressional committee hearings. The lobbyists pay people to stand in line for them so they don't have to waste their time. When the committee room opens, the line-standers take their pay and the pin-stripers take their seats inside.

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line-standers
Posted by: subby on Oct 23, 2009 7:07 AM   
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Seriously, the line stander thing is a stretch. Did you actually ASK any of the "scruffy" "down-and-outers" what they were doing there?

I know someone who was a line-stander for YEARS. It's actually an OK-paying job, if you can stand the boredom. Being a line stander is more-or-less the job you get when you're not in shape enough to be a bicycle messenger.

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Posted by: TeganT on Nov 20, 2009 12:19 PM   
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Insightful article, Art. You bring up great points and draw light to issues that need to be discussed.

Have you read William Brodsky's take on OTC derivatives?

http://cboenews.com/9-29-2009/index.php

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We Are So Screwed ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 21, 2009 1:06 AM   
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You know, us, the bottom 99% of the population ... The Republicans are raving lunatics desirous of Armageddon. The corrupted Democrats are scared of their own shadows. Our political system is completely dysfunctional, broken beyond repair. Meanwhile America accelerates towards depression.

The so-called recovery is all manipulation of the stock market, ginning the financial statistics, Corporate Media Spin and huge US Government spending that can't continue much longer.

Even after tens of billions of Treasury and Federal Reserve largess, Bank of America and Citi Bank are still losing money. Four trillion dollars already lost and charged to tax payers and another 17 trillion dollars in guarantees and support destined to be siphoned into Wall Street pockets and thrown into the black hole they call the financial sector.

A Look at Your Likely Future

But don't stop fighting ... the future will be forged by the fighters ... Keep hounding Congress and the White House for progressive legislation ... Our future depends on our diligence ... Someone will be in charge after this thing they call an economy implodes ... it might as well be us !

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"C'mon back Suckers, the Wall Street Casino needs YOUR money!"
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 21, 2009 3:01 AM   
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WALL STREET PONZI SCHEME CONTINUES UNABATED

And the Obama Administration is top heavy with Goldman people who are not about to kill the Goldman hen that is laying golden eggs. Witness last week, where the S.E.C hired a former Goldman executive, Adam Storch, as the chief operating officer of its enforcement unit.

Far more ominous is the 600 trillion dollar derivative market in the shadows which has purposely been kept from public scrutiny by both the Clinton and Bush administrations but is now about to makes its belated appearance during the Obama administration ~ thanks to PBS's FRONTLINE / THE WARNING.

The must see story that veteran producer / director Michael Kirk (Inside the Meltdown, Breaking the Bank) reports in this Tuesday night's FRONTLINE is both riveting, illuminating and the perfect follow through for Michael Moore's Capitalism / A Love Story ~ for Michael never really gets his questions answered about Derivatives.

Sifting the ashes of the financial meltdown, Kirk finds a lawyer named Brooksley Born, who, from her perch at the little-known Commodities Futures Trading Commission, tried to convince the country's key economic power players to do something which may have helped avert the financial crisis: regulate the increasingly high-risk financial instruments called "derivatives."

"They were totally opposed to it," Born says of the fierce resistance to regulation she met from Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, and the other members of President Clinton's "working group" ~ a highly influential and secretive body that determined the country's economic policy. In her first television interview, Born tells FRONTLINE that she was "puzzled" by the opposition she faced in Washington. "What was it that was in this market that had to be hidden?"

Excerpt: The Warning / On air and online October 20, 2009 at
www.pbs.org/frontline/warning

"Born's battle behind closed doors was epic," Kirk finds. The members of the President's Working Group vehemently opposed regulation ~ especially when proposed by a Washington outsider like Born.

Greenspan, Rubin and Summers ultimately prevailed on Congress to stop Born and limit future regulation of derivatives.


Hey, don't pay any attention to those Wall Street gangsters stealing from your 401K account and your pension fund, look over here, we've got another message from the dead Bin Laden and boy, is he mad!!

If we screw up AGAIN and really crash the economy, the next time we'll bomb Iran and all hell will break loose in the ME, giving us the excuse to declare martial law, until 'security' has been restored... which will be never.

How does it feel to be an economic slave to Wall Street Banksters?

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A Tangled Web Indeed
Posted by: gazooks on Oct 21, 2009 3:23 AM   
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As cited below by the ONLY reporting entity for OTC derivatives trading, to simply unwind the existing contracts with a notional value of about $600 trillion would cost $33 trillion. Guess who would pay for that.

Given that these contracts are MAJOR revenue for banks on a quarterly basis by way of 'premiums' paid by counterparties along with the origination and trading fees, have a average life-span of 5 years and are currently being created despite the public controversy, we are, as posted above, screwed.


Here's the latest stats (May) from the BIS on OTC derivatives;

OTC derivatives market activity in the second half of 2008

19 May 2009

The total notional amount of over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives contracts outstanding was $592.0 trillion at the end of December 2008, 13.4% lower than six months earlier. The decline is the first since collection of the data began in 1998. Credit market turmoil and the multilateral netting of contracts led to a contraction of 26.9% in outstanding credit default swaps (CDS). The second half of 2008 also saw the first significant decline of OTC derivatives contracts outstanding in the interest rate market (8.6%) and in the foreign exchange market (21%).

Despite the drop in amounts outstanding, movements of financial market prices in the second half of 2008 lifted gross market values 66.5%, to $33.9 trillion. Gross market values measure the cost of replacing all existing contracts and are thus a better measure of market risk than notional amounts outstanding.

The statistical release cites the following trends in the second half of 2008:

CDS volumes continued to contract
Commodity derivatives markets declined by two thirds
The market value of interest rate products almost doubled
Comprehensive explanatory notes in the release define the coverage of the statistics and the terms used in presenting them.

Any queries arising from these statistics can be directed to:

Carlos Mallo tel: +41 61 280 8256; e-mail: carlos.mallo@bis.org

Jacob Gyntelberg tel: +41 61 280 8891; e-mail: jacob.gyntelberg@bis.org

The BIS expects to release the OTC derivatives statistics for the first half of 2009 no later than 30 November 2009.

NO politician is willing to be held responsible for the costs of extricating American banks from this maze of 'risk averting' contracts. NO politician wants to be responsible for what happens if we do not kill this private market dead.

The global economy is inextricably dependent on these instruments for day to day functionality very much like a junkie is dependent on a supply of smack. Nobody can make this go away without a literal world of financial hurt resulting. Nobody can avoid an even more dire result if we do not unwind and abandon this dark market from hell.

Please send your cards and letters of thanks and congratulation directly to Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers and little Tim. Patriots ALL!

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What Good Are They?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 21, 2009 6:34 AM   
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Old fashioned derivatives, simple puts and calls, serve the purpose of managing risk. They originated with farmers trying to guarantee themselves a future price for a crop they are planting.

In contrast, the complicated derivatives that are at the root of the recent banking failure were designed to disguise risk rather than manage it. They are gambling instruments that, if allowed at all, should be offered at off-track betting sites where people know they will most likely lose. Banks should not be allowed to even get near them.

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WALL STREET RUINS NATIONS
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 21, 2009 6:49 AM   
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WEALTH + INCOME

“God Bless The Rich”
Please raise your glass of champagne to honor Reagan and Bush II

WEALTH
From 1980 to 2007
Top 1% got 35.4% of Total Wealth Increase
Bottom 60% got 11.2%

Nonhome Wealth
Top 1% got 42.5%of total increase
Bottom 60% got 5.6%

Reagan Tax Cuts—

60% for richest—
1980—top 1% got 20.5% of Wealth
1989---top 1% got 35.7% or Wealth for a 78.5% Increase

Clinton tax on richest and tax cuts for lowest income helped get a small change in direction
1992—top 1% got 37.2% of Wealth
2001---top 1% got 33.4% of Wealth

INCOME

From 1980 to 2007
Top 1% got 44.1% of Total Income Increase
Bottom 60% got 12.4%

2001-2008—1% got 491 B in Tax Breaks—annual income exceeded 1.5 million
and put 1% Income at highest percent of Total Income since 1928

Bottom 99% got $3.74 in debt for each $1 in tax cuts 2001-2006

In that time, equal protection and housing for the elderly was slashed 20% adjusted for inflation. Community Development Block Grant cut 32% and lack of health insurance was epidemic.

400 taxpayers with highest income doubled income 2002-2006. Hear Wall Street roar as it crashed in 2007. Party time was over.

The richest 400 reported an average $214 million each in 2005 on federal income tax returns in 2005—up from $104 million in 2002. Doubled.

The 400 richest taxpayers paid only 18% of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2005—down from 30% in 1995—a 66% Tax Cut. Thanks Ron. Thanks George.

Many of the provisions of the 2001 and 2003 Tax Cuts are scheduled to expire at the end of 2010.

IF OBAMA AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS MAKE PERMANENT --THEY ARE GONE GONE GONE-FIRED

If made permanent, the top 1% of Households would receive nearly $1200 Billion in Tax Cuts from 2009 through 2018 per cbpp.org

Obama campaigned on eliminating them. Please note this promise.

The poorest 20% would get a magnanimous tax cut of $45 per year. Whoopee!

NET WORTH

2007-top 20% had 85%--bottom 80% had 15%
2007-nonhome worth—20% had 93% and 80% had 7%
2007-Income-20% got 60% and 80% got 40%

Oh! Such a Fair and Balanced Nation! So Christ-Like. Makes me so proud.

cswinney2@triad.rr.com
political historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush II administrations

Above from Holly Sklar co-author of “Raise The Floor: Wages and Policies That Work For All Of Us” hsklar@aol.com --Part from writings of Edward.Wolff@nyu.edu who is considered top authority on Wealth in America

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RAPE BY WALL STREET
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 21, 2009 6:59 AM   
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Rape of Middle class from 1980 to 2009

SOLUTIONS--
A. Remove Social Security Cap--Why should very rich pay 1/1000th and Middle Class pay 6.2%

B. Increase Dividend Tax from 15 to 28%. Capital vs Labor. Be Fair.
Coal Miner pays 28% and man sitting on butt pays 15% Labor is as important as capital.
Try doing without either.

C. Estate Tax Increase.

D. Increase Corp profit Tax.

E. Public Finance Elections.--Candidate cannot use any money except that given by the public.

F. Wall Street—Revert back to selling stock to raise funds for corporations to create jobs.

Eliminate the operations which are mere Gambling in a Rich Man’s Casino. Want to gamble go to Las Vegas.

G.Rebuild strong honest Unions.Labor must fight for a Fair share of profits.

Those suggestions will return us to the Democratic Philosophy of PAY YOUR WAY.

Go away from Republican philosophy of-- Spend and Borrow Let Kids Pay Tomorrow.

1945 to 1981--Each percentile increased in Wealth and Income almost evenly in percentage.

The GREAT MIDDLE CLASS ERA

Reagan big tax cuts of 60% (70 to 28) for Richest, 40% to Big Corporations -Dividend Rate Cut for Wall Street.

Tax Increases of biggest in history:

the Social Security Tax Increase--A Tax on elderly on 50% of Social Security Income--Five cent tax on Gas.

Bush Big Tax cuts for Very Rich.

RESULTS

from 1980 to 2007

Top 1% got 35.4% of Total Wealth Increase

Top 1% got 44.1% of Total Income Growth

In 2007 a not so pretty picture

NET WORTH

top 20% owned 85% of Total Wealth and bottom 80% owned 15%
Of nonhome wealth top 20% owned 93% and 80% owned 7%

top 20% got 60% of Total Income growth and 80% got 40%

It is a disaster for the future of the huge Middle Class.

A small few own the majority.

Will we ever get a Congress and President willing to do what is FAIR.

Redistribute the Income and Wealth.

I fear for our future.

clarence swinney
political historian
Lifeaholics of America
author-Lifeaholic--workaholic to lifeaholic success
author unpublished-All American Party-How Democrats created a Great Middle Class
and Conservatives are determined to destroy it.
GOD BLESS AMERICA

FACTS DESTROY REPUBLICANS

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Stop them NOW.........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 21, 2009 7:00 AM   
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"Derivatives are forms of insurance or bets on underlying assets, such as now-toxic subprime mortgages, supposedly designed to manage risk."

Derivatives are bets! And they are the main reason for the economic mess, NOT THE SO-CALLED TOXIC MORTGAGES!
These liars have everyone believing that is was the people who weren't qualified to buy those homes, NO! It was the gambling that those people were doing, without the benefit of any REAL MONEY, I repeat REAL MONEY backing up the bets along with financial bonuses that are to the moon, that have set off our (read: taxpayers) current economic crises!

If these greedy bastards aren't stopped NOW, we the taxpayers will continue to suffer again and again, and again! You people can continue to tout the "FREE MARKET" and how they will regulate themselves all you want to! That's about as smart as leaving 2 three year olds in a room with a loaded gun, and wondering why 1 if not both of the children are shot?!?! DUH! Frankly, I want rules, regulations, and someone INDEPENDENT looking over the shoulders of these people! I want people that are not connected with these bastards, and can't be influenced by their money (remember: Arthur Anderson/Enron)! Because believe me, another crisis is going to happen, and these jokers are only looking out for themselves! And once again, it will be the taxpayers on the line for their private casino games! And just in case people have forgotten, our Chinese Bankers are not going to bankroll US forever!

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KISS
Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Oct 21, 2009 7:07 AM   
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GOOD SIMPLE INFORMATION
GOOGLE
CLARENCE SWINNEY
+ DEMOCRATS
+ REPUBLICANS
+ CLINTON
+ REAGAN
+ CARTER
+ BUSH WAFFLES (IS HE NOT A LOON?)

DEMOCRATS HAVE MUCH ON WHICH TO BOAST BUT REFUSE TO USE IT.
I died when Kerry let Bush say to his face :"You are just another Kennedy Tax & Spend Liberal"

Kerry-Edwards-Dean-Dnc etc had been sent my Rebuttal which would have destroyed Bush.

Sometimes I throw up my hands at D spokespersons.

There are many simple facts to present. No genius required.

O is being attacked on Spending-Debt-Deficits

Here are six easy numbers to recall and use to attack

1000-11,000
600--3600
1830-3600
23-33
138-1
$110,000,000
13

200 years to get 1000B of Debt.--20 years of 3 Conservatives and now 11,000.

Carter last year spent 600 now 3600 for 2009 fiscal.

Clinton last year spent 1830 now 3600.

20 years 3 Conservatives=23M Net new jobs=1,150,000 per year

12 years= carter+ clinton=33M Net new jobs=2,750,000 per year or twice as many per year.

138=reagan people charged with crimes--clinton (one) convicted of a felony

$110,000,000 General Accounting Office number for Newt expenditures on Hearings/Investigations trying to destroy Clinton

13 Hearings in Congress on what was known to be a normal legal borrow $200,000--buy 210 acres-cut roads-sell lots--McDougal had made small fortune doing it for decades--No crime.

Bush has so many bad things it takes pages--A Total Disaster for America.No way to spin it out of existence
the way Conservatives spent millions re-inventing Reagan average record. It worked.
Young people actually believe Reagan was a Great president. He has not one GREAT number. Not one.

clarence swinney
cswinney2@triad.rr.com

Available for a very exciting presentation THE ALL AMERICAN PARTY

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WALL STREET MAKING A KILLING? NOT SO FAST
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 21, 2009 7:34 AM   
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Wall Streets's actions are killing the rest of us. Everything we try to do in the best interest of the public is headed off at the pass by the lobbyists. Health care, banking and securuties regulation are both being fought with big bucks. I'm willing to bet that not a single person objecting to regulating deriviatives KNOWS what a derivative is.
They cannot give a definition. All the people involved in blocking what's best for the rest of us should pool their personal pennies including end of the year bonuses. Then they can all bet on a dead horse for all I care. The most important factor here gets very little attention, Banks are not gambling with the 'bank's' money. The money belongs to the public. K-Street does not represent the public, they act on causes and whoever pays the most money. They are currently holding us hostage along with our health insurance and savings. That's who's making a killing. ANNA

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How's that "change" working out for you?
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 21, 2009 8:02 AM   
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Just find a corner, put a cardboard sign around your neck that says "Will work for food" and hold your hat out to the motorists at the redlight and you'll get the kind of "change" Obama has brought.

If you work for a living and vote Demopublican, you get what you deserve...WAR, HOMELESSNESS AND UNEMPLOYMENT!

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Soup Kitchens Will Be Open 25/7
Posted by: melpol on Oct 21, 2009 8:20 AM   
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Accepting the fact that 15-20% unemployment will be the rule is a bitter pill to swallow. But there are no industries left in the nation to employ all Americans. The government cannot create miracles. Building massive soup kitchens and homeless shelters will supply some jobs. But all is not gloom, the good life will still be around for the more fortunate.

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For anyone that will listen!
Posted by: bh on Oct 21, 2009 8:30 AM   
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A friend of mine was a CEO for a mid-size Insurance company. As you can imagine he retired very well off. As we spoke yesterday he finally admitted that the stock market is a complete joke. It's fixed and a scheme. Yes, he admitted you can make some money during corrections but basically it's rigged to take your money. He does not have one cent in the market. And he could have millions if he so desired. He said that the regs have not been changed to protect the average guy. And Wall Street will be coming after your money again in a few years. This is coming from a guy that sits on the Board of Directors for several National recognized companies. From the horses mouth my friends. Be very aware, protect your assets!

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Wall street is enough of a casino!!! Leave these goddamn crap games to Las Vagas, where people
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 21, 2009 9:29 AM   
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at least know the house wins & they loose!!!

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In the absence of Bush/Obama paybacks/cronyism, there'd be no issue.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 21, 2009 9:49 AM   
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People make bets all the time, using all sorts of constructs, rational or not.

That'd be their business, succeed or fail, win or lose, with their and their partners money...except we've let our elected edge us even further into ownership of these inherently risky enterprises.

Why in the goddamn sam hill would anyone who really represents the people buy a "toxic asset"? Do you feed your children "toxic flakes" for breakfast?

They're broken, and it is a sad day to see the American taxpayer under assault to pay for so much (whatever your feelings on the "free stuff" issues of the day, the fact is that Obama is setting records that made his awful predecessor look like an amateur on overdrafting the citizens' checkbook), and then finance the bets of bad gamblers besdies.

The best place for the free market is the hell out of my taxes, thanks, and it would work just fine there, more or less.

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And there it is
Posted by: willymack on Oct 21, 2009 9:57 AM   
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Lesee if I got it straight:
1. The neocon crooks have almost all the money
2. They use part of the money to buy off politicians.
3.The politicians control the cops and "security" forces who are armed with guns, tasers, pepper spray, and other unpleasant devices which they employ whenever people gather to protest or otherwise get "uppity", so
4. The neocon crooks run the show, and can do anything they damn well please.
Am I right or am right?

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b kenneth mcgee author: eyes shut tight
Posted by: rfgtile on Oct 21, 2009 12:53 PM   
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It is only a matter of time until the bank lobby tries to get congress to pass a law making people who are in credit card default designataed as indentured servants. They will not keep these folks, of course..they bill bundle them as derivatives and sell them to the agriculture and service industires. SHAZAMM.......the illegal alien problem is solvedl, they all go home and the unions are busted! Should be a breeze in the Senate Finance Committee!

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Blowing Bubbles Is A Complete Waste Of Time - It Contributes NOTHING
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 21, 2009 1:12 PM   
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Investment Banks (Normally Now Refered to as Casinos) and Governments (Normally Refered To as Cock Sucking Idiots) have totally lost the idea of what Money was invented For...

They think it was invented so that they can maintain their PLEASURES

But it wasn't.

Money has ONE Purpose

It is to Motivate People To Do Useful Work and To Easily Exchange Their Valuable Work Between Each Other

You Idiots Are Going To Be Replaced

Tony

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AlVeerhoff
Posted by: Aveerhoff on Oct 21, 2009 6:51 PM   
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Maybe Mr. Levine doesn't know about the line-standers at Congressional committee hearings. The lobbyists pay people to stand in line for them so they don't have to waste their time. When the committee room opens, the line-standers take their pay and the pin-stripers take their seats inside.

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line-standers
Posted by: subby on Oct 23, 2009 7:07 AM   
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Seriously, the line stander thing is a stretch. Did you actually ASK any of the "scruffy" "down-and-outers" what they were doing there?

I know someone who was a line-stander for YEARS. It's actually an OK-paying job, if you can stand the boredom. Being a line stander is more-or-less the job you get when you're not in shape enough to be a bicycle messenger.

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Posted by: TeganT on Nov 20, 2009 12:19 PM   
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Insightful article, Art. You bring up great points and draw light to issues that need to be discussed.

Have you read William Brodsky's take on OTC derivatives?

http://cboenews.com/9-29-2009/index.php

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