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The Robber Barons Are Back -- Hide Your Money!

The Dow's at 10,000, and the bankers are reaping huge bonuses, but the economy in which the rest of us live is a disaster.
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On Oct. 14, the Dow Jones Industrial Average barely passed the 10,000 mark for the first time in over a year.

That gave the "green shoots" crowd spasms of joy at the possibility of a recovery from the worst recession to hit America in seven decades. Of course, the last one eventually morphed into the Great Depression lasted at least a full decade, rewired our currency, led to world war, ruined countless lives and set a universal standard for societal implosions.

The fire this time? It's almost out, say a series of decorated financial experts within and without the mainstream.

But most of them blew the call on the implosion, and are still blowing it today. We are not in Paul Krugman's Great Recession, or the "deep and long recession" coined by the optimistic National Association for Business Economics. We're not even mired in Wikipedia's comparatively boring Financial Crisis of 2007-2009.

No, we're neck-deep in another Great Depression, which is unfurling into a devaluation nightmare of everything from our lives and currency to, given curve balls like catastrophic climate change and peak oil and water, our very existence.

"There are always unexpected disasters out there waiting to happen," Jeffrey Frankel, a Harvard economist and member of the National Bureau of Economic Research's Business Cycle Dating Committee, explained to AlterNet.

Frankel took pains to clarify that he's speaking for himself, not the nonprofit NBER, which is the largest economics research organization in the U.S. and usually gives the last word on when recessions begin and end -- or turn into depressions.

Frankel's public stance on such loaded terms can be costly. But another clarification Frankel offered added firepower to theory that the differences between recessions and depressions are as ideological as they are statistical.

"There is no standard definition of depression," Frankel said.

Like "socialism" and "democracy," an economic depression is terminology fueled by ideology. It can be colored in using whatever palette the powers that be decide to wield.

The last few economic depressions were concretized in hindsight, with the benefit of much analysis and more controversy.

The Long Depression of 1873-1896, depending on whom you ask, arguably lasted over two decades and set the table for the 20th century's Great Depression. Centuries later, it is still a matter of contention. Most notably, from neoconservative guru Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz, who argued in their influential, The Monetary History of the United States, that the Long Depression was "severe" but "shorter in length and far less severe than it has been generally judged."

In other words, even the so-called experts can't agree on what an economic depression really is, much less a deep and long Great Recession, even while they're trapped within one.

Logically, one can call the chaos we're now stuck in a depression, and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it. Score one for the linguistic and financial relativists.

But if you're on the lookout for more statistically convincing evidence, then chew on the raw data.

"The rule of thumb for a depression is unemployment over 10 percent," Thomas Palley, explained by phone to AlterNet. Palley is a Bernard L. Schwartz economic growth fellow at the New America Foundation, as well as the author of a recent Financial Times column, "A Second Great Depression is Still Possible." "If you look at the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics' official U3 number, then we're darn near close to it. If you count the discouraged who aren't looking for work, or part-timers, then we're already there."

The BLS' official unemployment rate is another clever example of economic and terminological manipulation. Its favored U3 does not count the U4, U5 or U6 contingent, which ranges from "discouraged workers" and "marginally attached workers" to part-timers, which is a very large hedge.

If they were all mashed into a more faithful rendering of the employment landscape, the resultant percentage would be closer to 20 percent than 10 percent. The economic recovery would be summarily stripped of its clothes.

"There's a very strong case for saying that we're already in a depression," Palley concluded. "Lawrence Summers, [Treasury Secretary] Timothy Geithner and the Federal Reserve have been much more subdued and even gloomy. I think something is registering."

Perhaps that could be the fault of the other categorical imperatives for economic depression, which are being fulfilled as you read.

They include not just surprising increases in unemployment but also decreases in credit availability and investment (check), rising bankruptcies and bank failures (done), cratering trade and commerce (sure), volatile fluctuations (yup) and currency devaluation. And trust me on that last one: You don't want to know. It's not pretty.

The only serious holdout in this nasty bit of game theory is duration, and that's a safety net. Because you have no choice but to wait a long while before you can confirm whether calling this mess the Great Recession was shifty legerdemain designed to keep the stock market alive, or prudent financial wisdom.

And the waiting, so far, sucks.

The scary part is that it could get much worse. According to legendary foreign correspondent Robert Fisk, up-and-coming BRIC nations like Brazil, Russia and China, as well as Middle East fossil-fuel peddlers who used to be our pals, have recently conspired to dominate oil outside of the dollar.

It's not just Middle East countries that have been considering a regional currency rethink: In September, seven South American nations, led by oil-rich Venezuela, announced their intent to create an international bank of their own, outside the reach of the United States and the International Monetary Fund.

Meanwhile, disastrously costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan haven't helped do anything other than suck trillions out of American taxpayer pockets. Even World Bank President Robert Zoellick, a former Goldman Sachs player and George W. Bush's appointed replacement for disgraced neocon Paul Wolfowitz, argued that the "United States would be mistaken to take for granted the dollar’s place as the world’s predominant reserve currency."

And that's just the trouble abroad. At home, Social Security could enter the red next year. We're still shedding a couple hundred thousand jobs a month. Commercial real estate loans are about to go belly up. Consumer credit keeps falling through the floor. Pensions are evaporating. Home prices are still tanking, and few expect the situation to seriously stabilize before 2020.

Bank of America argues that around 40 percent of junk bonds are set to default by 2013, throwing ever more billions down the black hole. Powerhouse states like California are possibly deteriorating into failed states. The economic terrorism watch list goes on (and on).

2013 and 2020 are years from now, of course, meaning that by the time we get there, we'll probably look back on this talk of a Great Recession and have a hearty laugh. Even the optimists, including Frankel, will probably feel let down.

"As bad as the recession of 2007-09 has been, it has been nowhere near as bad as the Great Depression, or the Long Depression," he explained. "Even though the labor market is still very bad, there are many signs that the economy hit bottom sometime during the summer. The advance estimate of third-quarter GDP that the Commerce Department will announce at the end of this month will almost certainly show positive growth. If that holds up, even though we will probably be in for a slow recovery, we have dodged the bullet of depression."

Wait for it.

"Of course," Frankel clarified, "this could all change, for example, if there were a new financial collapse or a hard landing for the dollar. A double-dip recession is a danger, because at the moment the demand expansion is coming from federal fiscal stimulus and firms' rebuilding of inventories, both of which will end in 2010."

The double-dip recession is another cute terminological choice. Isn't a recession that devolves backward to its worst state the same as a depression? Isn't revisiting a collapse that almost nuked the global marketplace confirmation of recovery's failure?

A double-dip, W-shaped recession isn't just a visual confirmation that the Bush administration's disaster capitalism succeeded in bleeding the New Deal dry. It's confirmation that the United States government, as Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul argued, is basically one massive toxic asset.

But at this stage of the so-called Great Recession, you can pick your poison from the "alphabet soup," Palley said. "It could be a W or even a L, or a W that ends with a L."

Just make sure you stop calling it a recession. That ship has sailed.

"I thought the financial markets were nuts two or three years ago, when they failed to reflect that there were any risks out there," Frankel said. "If we had continued to accumulate the budget surpluses that were bequeathed to the nation in January 2001, that would have put us in much better shape to deal with the recession of 2007-09, as well as with any rude shocks, as yet unknown, that may still be lying in wait out there."

What's out there is what will ultimately warrant the change in comfortable terminology. There are still securitized debts yet to be deleveraged, as our dystopian iteration of "pass the parcel" continues, according to Margaret Atwood, award-winning speculative fiction author, most recently of Year of the Flood, as well as debt historian behind Payback: Debt and the Shadow Side of Wealth.

"The music is played, and when it stops, someone gets to peel off a layer of the parcel," Atwood explained by phone during a tour supporting Year of the Flood, released in September. "At the end, someone gets to open it up. This is what happened with the mortgages, except that when the music stopped, the parcel was empty because it was based on toxic debt.

"There's nothing wrong with debt as a tool; in fact, we probably couldn't get along without it. But it's when you incur a debt that you cannot pay back that the ripple effects begin."

Those ripple effects began in late 2007, although it can be argued (as it always can) that our current recession started, as Frankel argued, once we started throwing away the nation's surplus. Either way, we're climbing up on four years of a deep, long, painful recession that most everyone is too afraid to call a depression, even when the evidence is before their bleary eyes.

Geithner says the U.S. is going to be on what amounts to indefinite life support. The Fed is vigorously hiding its dirty books from the public, while opening its vaults for pretty much any corrupt bank still standing, but especially Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase, whose $3.6 billion in earnings initially sent the Dow over 10,000 in October.

If you think that earnings report and the Federal Reserve's historical changes in borrowing aren't related, then I have a McMansion to sell you in Detroit.

Even as they rake in bloated profits and ride a 2009 stock rally propped up by government spending and intervention, banks are still refusing to pay back money they owe to the United States.

Bank of America is under investigation by the Justice Department. Presumed economic sages as different as the jocular doom prophet Marc Faber and activist investor Carl Icahn are arguing that collapse, disaster and chaos are on the docket.

But don't take my word for it, or theirs. Pop the champagne on a lame Dow Jones lap around 10,000 and keep telling yourself that it's going to be fine.

The human race has experienced this devaluation of empire many times before, and it has usually failed to wake up when it mattered most. The American people have lived on a steady diet of hyperreal debt securitization, excessive consumption and currency devaluation for decades now, and they've yet to snap out of their American Idol fantasy. (Or is that American Idle?)

When they finally do, they could find that the America they knew has come and gone, and that a new world economic order has sprung up around them in red shoots instead of green.

By the time their blurred eyes read U.K. economist Sir Nicholas Stern's 2006 report asserting that climate change will downsize the global economy by 20 percent more -- or perhaps wipe us out altogether, others worry -- they'll be ready to go right back to sleep.

This time, in the fetal position, aghast at the power of words to reshape reality.

Scott Thill runs the online mag Morphizm.com. His writing has appeared on Salon, XLR8R, All Music Guide, Wired and others.
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Excellent Economic Summary ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 19, 2009 12:21 AM   
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I would just like to emphasize one area ... that is: The Banks' Books.

The banks still have trillions of dollars of bad debt on their books ... enabled by weakening accounting rules to allow banks to value these assets at book value rather than market value.

Get ready for TARP ACT II when the banks announce they need another trillion or two or they will take the economy hostage and kill it.

Max Keiser – Face Off – “Is the Crisis Over?”

Check out the video ... it is well worth the ten minutes

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So much for a free market economy...
Posted by: Smiggsy on Oct 19, 2009 2:01 AM   
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This whole financial markets thing blows...i just cant think of anything technical or intelligent to say on the topic. I'm over it.

The whole system IS one giant corrupt ponzi scheme. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for letting 'them' get away with it.

Does anybody person earning from and connected with finance industry, stock market, banks etc have any credibiity left whatsoever in the eyes of the overall population?

If the whole world behaved like these bankers the world would be a giant mess of disruption anarchy and chaos.

Come to think of it...when does the next revolutiuon begin since anything short of one will do very little to restore any reality, honesty or integrity in the financial 'system'. It will be the ONLY way to get back and distribute the wealth which these greedy bankers are presently acquiring.

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» A GIANT Corrupt PONZI SCHEME? Posted by: Razional Thinker

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Robber Barons Never Left --> AMERICA = FASCISM
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 19, 2009 2:11 AM   
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As FDR said, Wall Street control of the Washington-MSM freak show has been a permanent feature of the false American experiment “ever since the days of Andrew Jackson” that defeated the international oligarchs from hijacking America and sent them packing. (see full quote below)

It was a temp victory since the banksters took their vengeance just a few years later in yet another artificially created depression or “financial panic” as they were then called.

Ben Bernanke admitted the private bank monopoly sham “Federal Reserve” Corp (not federal and without any reserves whatever) caused the Great Depression of 1929 in 2002 for his speech honoring Rockefeller stooge Milton Freidman:

“I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again.”
Federal Reserve Governor Ben Bernanke (Conference to Honor Milton Friedman, Rockefeller funded economic theorist. University of Chicago 2002)

Control the money and you control everything that matters. This is not some exotic notion folks. It’s practical reality.

Example: the Bolshevik so-called “revolution” was a coup bankrolled by robber barons out of New York, London and Hamburg Germany. “Communism” never existed but Fascism surely has. By far the most important planks of the “Communist Manifesto “ are 1) elite control of banking (all money) 2) elite control of the media (brainwash) 3) elite control of “education” (brainwash) . You can’t have control of the people through their money (1) without control of their minds (2 & 3) .

It’s that simple and that difficult.

A Fascist state masquerading as a democracy is what America has become. And it’s been that way for a long, long time. Keeping citizen sheep in the dark about the tyranny that rules them is extortion job one for criminal oligarchs and their Fascist machine.

Count on it.

You will rarely be fooled by the Washington-MSM circus if you do.



“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled KKK racist President Woodrow Wilson for the foisting of the privately rigged “Federal Reserve” Bank and American commitment into World War 1. 11/21/ l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950

In 1913, the money power of the country was taken away from the people. By constitutional privilege it belongs with the Congress, but it was given up in the Federal Reserve Act. The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. But yet it has the power to determine the direction and use of money in our economy. If we could take that power back and put the Federal Reserve under Treasury, we start to be in a position of being able to control monetary policy on behalf of the United States people. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (former Presidential candidate at Congress C-Span January 9th, 2009)

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We Have Money And You're ALL Indians
Posted by: Ishmael1 on Oct 19, 2009 2:29 AM   
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What we are witnessing is the transition from the Economics of Abundance to the Economics of Scarcity. An Alliance of the Worldwide Power Elite to ensure their own survival and control over a shrinking pool of resources. The wealth the banksters looted, whether real or illusory, is being used to lock up and control what's left of critical resources like oil, water, food, etc. Why do you think ALL industrialized economies are erecting draconian and thorough surveillance networks of their communications systems and militarizing their police forces?

It reminds me of the following exchange from "Three Days Of The Condor":

Higgins: It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. Maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now - then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!


Only substitute themselves for us. It's the "Last To Starve Syndrome" writ large.

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430 trillion dollars
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 19, 2009 2:36 AM   
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That was the last figure mentioned in the Alter net for world wide debt caused by the financial manipulations that led to the crash and bail outs of,guess who,the wealthiest people in the country.There was talk of some relief for home owners when the Washington crowd got nervous as the great unwashed were stirring.Of course it was all managed by the election of Barack Obama who was supposed to change it all.What did he do?Put Geitner and Bernake in charge so they could continue with business as usual.What a scam and it goes on till this day.Huge bonuses at AIG of all places.Wall street claiming record profits on what? Wall street produces nothing and manipulates what we all pay for everything.It's time to tear it all down and start from scratch.We can only come out better off with all those crooks out of the picture.Does anyone doubt that they all do everything for themselves and nothing for the people or the country?The bull is so biblical in it's presence that I am almost tempted to believe in magic.All we need is a fire and people dancing around it.They already praise it and worship money as their god.

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M A N I P U L A T I O N or the boom and bust cycle
Posted by: Suzon on Oct 19, 2009 3:19 AM   
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FDR's claim that "if it happens, it was planned" is a bit of an overstatement, but one with a terrifying amount of truth to it.

People ridicule the "sheeple" but the wealthy and the comfortable are the ones who don't have to bother to think things through.

Anyone who is hurting is far better motivated to come to grips with the situation. The biggest weakness of those of us calling for reform is the infighting. We must look at the goal and not who is promoting it.

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Oh goody...
Posted by: adp3d on Oct 19, 2009 4:10 AM   
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...the is over 10,000. The retailers will be hoping for a Christmas recovery. But guess what? With 20% underemployment Christmas will be a retail bust, stores will close, fueling unemployment for next year, leading to more foreclosings... People need to have jobs. This country is currently not providing them, public or private sector.

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Love of money is an illness
Posted by: weathered on Oct 19, 2009 4:21 AM   
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a defect cured only by charity.

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It should be perfectly obvious that the DJIA is being manipulated by the TARP money.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Oct 19, 2009 5:50 AM   
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What else can you do with a bazillion dollars?

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"You Little People are SO BORING!"
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 19, 2009 5:58 AM   
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Do you know how much it costs to staff and maintain a NYC penthouse, an Aspen ski lodge, an Aruba hideaway and that lovely Connecticut farm?

And how much it costs to have that personal jet and those chauffeured limos to take you to your castles?

Don't even ask me about the high price of Beluga Caviar and Dom Perignon Chanpagne--what, you expect us to consume domestic? Shudder.

Just because our ancestors helped set off 'BanK Panics' in 1853, 1873, 1893, 1907 and the really BIG ONE of 1929 and we set off the latest one doesn't mean we're a bunch of greedy pigs.

So stop bitching about losing your home, job and your 401K account to Wall Street gangsters.

You should feel gratified that your miserly contribution helped the wealthy elite live the lifestlye you only read about.

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Concentrated Wealth
Posted by: arieden on Oct 19, 2009 6:32 AM   
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With wealth being concentrated in fewer hands, is there even enough money available to be spent to keep our economy going?

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What are we going to DO about it?
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 19, 2009 7:13 AM   
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I say we start by using Buy Nothing Day as the first step in a unified protest. Forget about dem vs rep, veggie vs carnivore, religious vs atheist and every other difference. If you believe the rich are stepping on the rest of us, vote with your wallet and show them we can take action!

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Wages Will Be Lowered
Posted by: melpol on Oct 19, 2009 7:32 AM   
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Illusions of an everlasting prosperity are over. No longer can the banks supply mortgages and credit cards to the poor. The U.S. has to accept a 15-20% unemployment rate. It will become an employers dream. A high wage will be rare with 100 applicants for every available job. The U.S. will still survive, but as a leaner and meaner nation.

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GET IT WHILE YOU CAN!
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 19, 2009 7:39 AM   
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A bonus that is. Thanks to the taxpayers, the banks are out of the woods. For the time being. And so it's time for the execs to cash in. It might be a while before the next big bonus. The banks have no reason to believe that they have to change their ways. There has been no effort to discipline anyone or to put rules in place that would help prevent future disasters. Why should they care? There have been no consequences to the Execs so far. While they calculate big bonuses they lay off employees and close branches. You could say that they're saving money, but in fact they're COLLECTING money for the sole purpose of generating cash for bonuses. The DOW is at 10,000 because people are being fired. Not the same as businesses being profitable. Nothing has been done to prevent another disaster. But as long as it's proftiable for a few, it will be allowed to happen, yet again. ANNA

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Theives
Posted by: jtweezo on Oct 19, 2009 7:48 AM   
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LOL, aint it the truth hide that money while you can!

RT
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Wanna know what I think?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 19, 2009 8:01 AM   
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Well, I'm gonna tell you anyway.
I think it's time to dump the cannibalistic form of capitalism that's eating us alive, and try some form of Socialism, which would include single-payer universal health care, universal education through college (for those qualified),and heavy REGULATION of any and all industries and businesses allowed to operate after the change.
This is basically what's happened in those countries which have leapt ahead of us in every catagory worth mentioning, and STILL managed to preserve their democracies.
All this crap about what a pain in the ass major reform would be here because of our "unique" complexity, etc., etc. is just that-CRAP. The crooks robbing us blind would get the pain in the ass, not US.
It's time for all os us who are capable of THOUGHT, and aware of REALITY to get on our Microsoft Word, compose a letter, find the fax numbers of our congresspeople, and senators, and flood their offices with letters demanding an end to predatory capitalism and crooked politics.
This nation is SICK, and unless radical change in favor of its people (for a change) is not forthcoming, it'll DIE.

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Government is corrupt
Posted by: lclark on Oct 19, 2009 8:21 AM   
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Both the Republicans and the Democrats have made us subject to the multinational financial cartel. They have destroyed our REAL basis of wealth by entering transnational trade treaties that have resulted in the export of our manufacturing base as well as destroying national sovreignty and making choices that would help citizens in the current economic situation.

Food cartels as well have destroyed family farms.

All that has concentrated wealth into the hands of the few.

Continual war profits the few as well, at the expense of citizens, and is responsible for the massive debt that has accumulated since the Iraq fiasco. Why do we have troops stationed all over the world, especially in places like Europe?

This so called "global economy" agenda has been about nothing but passing control of nation states to the privaleged.

The government simply lies. As the years go by and they produce statistics that infaltion is under control I have experienced my heating costs and groceries more than double.

In American history, when we have been in this situation, significant change has only occurred when 3rd party movements have become powerful enough to potentially unseat the current political gang that has become corrupt.

This problem will not be solved until food cartels are broken up, manufacturing is reestablished in this country, and we get out of transnational trade treaties that do not allow us to address the constraints they have placed on our economy, and we return control of printing money to public institutions.

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Nah, the stock market is ready to rock and roll.
Posted by: Laffing Garfield on Oct 19, 2009 8:56 AM   
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I didn't have to go to college to get rich. I'm gonna invest in the stock market and by the end of next year, I'll be calling for an end to capital gains tax. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !! MORE TAX CUTS ! MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!

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defect to credit unions
Posted by: lionsdenmother on Oct 19, 2009 9:06 AM   
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my bank just raised my credit card interest rate from 9 percent to 17 percent for no apparent reason , amoung some other changes they made recently that effect me negatively i plan to join a credit union bank they dont play the wall street casino i am told

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No growth
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 19, 2009 9:27 AM   
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Expected growth will come in the form of another financial bubble; there will be no real growth, only the sort of fake growth that is really just an accelerated concentration of money in the hands of the rich. Pyramid schemes are not growth.

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We're in a depression - but what to do?
Posted by: bflaska on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 AM   
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Thanks, Scott Thill, for a good look at this mess. Depression it is.

Please know we are in dangerous times. And you can't be passive if your very existence is threatened.

Danny Schechter
(http://www.newsdissector.com/blog)

Danny Schechter has taken on the Wall St Crime Scene for years now, and nonstop. He's wondering what we the people can do to express our outrage. He also just sent me this next article. Read here about the financial coup, then "How much longer will you remain passive?":

http://ampedstatus.com/

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Class Warfare
Posted by: Aredee on Oct 19, 2009 9:44 AM   
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Those who accuse the anti-corporatists of waging "class warfare" are ignoring the fact that class warfare, in its current incarnation, began with the Reagan era, and so far the working classes--blue collar, white collar, and pink collar--have been losing.

The big "if" is when working people will finally realize who their true adversary is, and not allow themselves to be led around by Limbaugh, Beck, Fox "News" and other mouthpieces for the corporate elite.

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Obama hasn't done squat about it!
Posted by: bh on Oct 19, 2009 9:50 AM   
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Obama is bought and paid for by Corporate America. Thought we were getting FDR, we got Bush 3.

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Watch FRONTLINE tomorrow at 9pm
Posted by: Sushi on Oct 19, 2009 10:33 AM   
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Called "The Warning". It should give us all we need to know to begin pressure for backing out of WTO and put tarriffs back. Please! America is in great danger! We need to know before we can act. Watch tomorrow's Frontline on PBS at 9 pm.

Sushi
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Bread and circuses
Posted by: wormfarmer on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 AM   
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As long as the unwashed masses are distracted we are going to be in the position of being manipulated. This population has been down this road repeatedly, been promised that the days of financial manipulation will NEVER happen again, no, no, never, never, never, never, and we fall victim to the same crap over and over again. What a bunch of rubes.
I agree that we should have a, "Buy nothing day", just to see what impact the populace has in regard to the economy.
This has gone on far too long, and yes, we are part of the problem. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the behavior of our social destiny.

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Let's Restore America's Middle Class...
Posted by: yellow on Oct 19, 2009 2:54 PM   
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Restoring the middle class everywhere is political project because eliminating it was one. It was the GOP and their running up deficits with tax cuts for the rich and effective tax increases on the middle class that helped to destroy the middle class. Deficits forced government and the middle class into debt to survive. It was the GOP, not the Democrats or the middle class, who wanted to run up debts for spending projects without paying for them.

Conservatives have always inveighed against large deficits and the national debt it created. In fact, the GOP in the US has been the biggest creator of such debt and deficits. Reagan himself ran up a $3 trillion national debt which exceeded all the debt collectively accumulated since the beginning of our Republic. Most of this was on military programs like Star Wars in order to outspend the Russians into "systemic collapse." As it turns out, the Russians weren't even trying to keep pace with the US militarily and collapsed due to Afghanistan, falling oil export revenues due to price declines, corruption and poor economic management. Most of US got debt and a weak dollar. We also got nothing for the politics of the last 30 years.

I say reverse course and bring back the living (union) wage, the social safety net, regulation on the financial sector and government stimulus of the economy that works for full employment and not just the military. High levels of military spending are inflationary because it doesn't balance increases in overall spending with similar increases in output of consumer goods and services. Furthermore, non-military spending is more labor intensive and a better stimulus for the economy in general. Such a plan will better restore the middle class here and abroad. We need the political will to push for its enactment.

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I haven't.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Oct 19, 2009 2:58 PM   
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I haven't had a full time job.

Ever.

In my life.

I look for one every day.

I'm 22 years old.

I graduated college with a B.A. a year ago.

I've worked numerous part time jobs in the past.

I now work as a substitute teacher.

As a sub, I work perhaps 1 day a week, maybe two.

I live with my mother-in-law.


BEHOLD!!!!!

THE GREAT GREEN SHOOTS OF RECOVERY!!!!!!!!!!!!

HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE'S ON THE ROAD TO RECOVERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the words of Stan Marsh on South Park,

"Dude, that's pretty fucked up, right there."

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The Magical President
Posted by: travelertoo on Oct 19, 2009 9:02 PM   
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Bush should be known as the magical president. When the twin towers were hit Bush DISAPPEARED. The Iraq nuclear missiles DISAPPEARED. The CIA tapes of interrigation DISAPPEARED. Bush was nowhere to be found when 'shotgun Dick' disclosed that Valerie Plame was a (covert) CIA agent which was classified information. When our embassy in Serbia burned Bush DISAPPEARED. Bush's Robber Baron presidency has made our money DISAPPEAR. With Voodoo Economics Georgie has made most of our jobs DISAPPEAR. But what would happen if Bush really disappeared? Can you imagine 'Deadeye Dick' with his finger on the nuclear trigger? If that were to happen everyone might just DISAPPEAR!!!!!!! When he wanted to put all the Social Security money in the stock market, Barney Frank said that Wall Street needed to be re-regulated. Bush replied by disappearing. He did manage to APPEAR just long enough to lobby for and sign into law CORPORATE WELFARE for the international banks. Goodbye Goofball Georgie, have fun in Texass.

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Balloon Boys are Back to take the rest of your money
Posted by: kettleblack on Oct 19, 2009 10:41 PM   
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They are artificially pumping up the DOW, sucking in all the investors that they didn't snare in the first go-around. Nothing has been fixed. They just put in money that was borrowed from China. Financial smoke and mirrors. No new jobs created. None on the horizon.
When this one pops, look out!
It ain't gonna be pretty.

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The Dow is up because...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 AM   
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...it is being pumped up by the bailout money and the "fast traders." (google it if you need to).

They are pumping it up so the little guy will put his share in, thinking, "WOW, it's safe again and I can make a few bucks."

Meanwhile, the dodo forgot the last time he tried to time the market he got killed, as the fast traders swooped in to take it away.

Most people advise the little guy to stay out of this cesspool, and find other ways to "invest" your money.

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Excellent Economic Summary ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 19, 2009 12:21 AM   
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I would just like to emphasize one area ... that is: The Banks' Books.

The banks still have trillions of dollars of bad debt on their books ... enabled by weakening accounting rules to allow banks to value these assets at book value rather than market value.

Get ready for TARP ACT II when the banks announce they need another trillion or two or they will take the economy hostage and kill it.

Max Keiser – Face Off – “Is the Crisis Over?”

Check out the video ... it is well worth the ten minutes

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So much for a free market economy...
Posted by: Smiggsy on Oct 19, 2009 2:01 AM   
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This whole financial markets thing blows...i just cant think of anything technical or intelligent to say on the topic. I'm over it.

The whole system IS one giant corrupt ponzi scheme. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for letting 'them' get away with it.

Does anybody person earning from and connected with finance industry, stock market, banks etc have any credibiity left whatsoever in the eyes of the overall population?

If the whole world behaved like these bankers the world would be a giant mess of disruption anarchy and chaos.

Come to think of it...when does the next revolutiuon begin since anything short of one will do very little to restore any reality, honesty or integrity in the financial 'system'. It will be the ONLY way to get back and distribute the wealth which these greedy bankers are presently acquiring.

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Robber Barons Never Left --> AMERICA = FASCISM
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 19, 2009 2:11 AM   
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As FDR said, Wall Street control of the Washington-MSM freak show has been a permanent feature of the false American experiment “ever since the days of Andrew Jackson” that defeated the international oligarchs from hijacking America and sent them packing. (see full quote below)

It was a temp victory since the banksters took their vengeance just a few years later in yet another artificially created depression or “financial panic” as they were then called.

Ben Bernanke admitted the private bank monopoly sham “Federal Reserve” Corp (not federal and without any reserves whatever) caused the Great Depression of 1929 in 2002 for his speech honoring Rockefeller stooge Milton Freidman:

“I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again.”
Federal Reserve Governor Ben Bernanke (Conference to Honor Milton Friedman, Rockefeller funded economic theorist. University of Chicago 2002)

Control the money and you control everything that matters. This is not some exotic notion folks. It’s practical reality.

Example: the Bolshevik so-called “revolution” was a coup bankrolled by robber barons out of New York, London and Hamburg Germany. “Communism” never existed but Fascism surely has. By far the most important planks of the “Communist Manifesto “ are 1) elite control of banking (all money) 2) elite control of the media (brainwash) 3) elite control of “education” (brainwash) . You can’t have control of the people through their money (1) without control of their minds (2 & 3) .

It’s that simple and that difficult.

A Fascist state masquerading as a democracy is what America has become. And it’s been that way for a long, long time. Keeping citizen sheep in the dark about the tyranny that rules them is extortion job one for criminal oligarchs and their Fascist machine.

Count on it.

You will rarely be fooled by the Washington-MSM circus if you do.



“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled KKK racist President Woodrow Wilson for the foisting of the privately rigged “Federal Reserve” Bank and American commitment into World War 1. 11/21/ l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950

In 1913, the money power of the country was taken away from the people. By constitutional privilege it belongs with the Congress, but it was given up in the Federal Reserve Act. The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. But yet it has the power to determine the direction and use of money in our economy. If we could take that power back and put the Federal Reserve under Treasury, we start to be in a position of being able to control monetary policy on behalf of the United States people. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (former Presidential candidate at Congress C-Span January 9th, 2009)

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We Have Money And You're ALL Indians
Posted by: Ishmael1 on Oct 19, 2009 2:29 AM   
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What we are witnessing is the transition from the Economics of Abundance to the Economics of Scarcity. An Alliance of the Worldwide Power Elite to ensure their own survival and control over a shrinking pool of resources. The wealth the banksters looted, whether real or illusory, is being used to lock up and control what's left of critical resources like oil, water, food, etc. Why do you think ALL industrialized economies are erecting draconian and thorough surveillance networks of their communications systems and militarizing their police forces?

It reminds me of the following exchange from "Three Days Of The Condor":

Higgins: It's simple economics. Today it's oil, right? In ten or fifteen years, food. Plutonium. Maybe even sooner. Now, what do you think the people are gonna want us to do then?
Joe Turner: Ask them?
Higgins: Not now - then! Ask 'em when they're running out. Ask 'em when there's no heat in their homes and they're cold. Ask 'em when their engines stop. Ask 'em when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. You wanna know something? They won't want us to ask 'em. They'll just want us to get it for 'em!


Only substitute themselves for us. It's the "Last To Starve Syndrome" writ large.

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430 trillion dollars
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 19, 2009 2:36 AM   
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That was the last figure mentioned in the Alter net for world wide debt caused by the financial manipulations that led to the crash and bail outs of,guess who,the wealthiest people in the country.There was talk of some relief for home owners when the Washington crowd got nervous as the great unwashed were stirring.Of course it was all managed by the election of Barack Obama who was supposed to change it all.What did he do?Put Geitner and Bernake in charge so they could continue with business as usual.What a scam and it goes on till this day.Huge bonuses at AIG of all places.Wall street claiming record profits on what? Wall street produces nothing and manipulates what we all pay for everything.It's time to tear it all down and start from scratch.We can only come out better off with all those crooks out of the picture.Does anyone doubt that they all do everything for themselves and nothing for the people or the country?The bull is so biblical in it's presence that I am almost tempted to believe in magic.All we need is a fire and people dancing around it.They already praise it and worship money as their god.

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M A N I P U L A T I O N or the boom and bust cycle
Posted by: Suzon on Oct 19, 2009 3:19 AM   
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FDR's claim that "if it happens, it was planned" is a bit of an overstatement, but one with a terrifying amount of truth to it.

People ridicule the "sheeple" but the wealthy and the comfortable are the ones who don't have to bother to think things through.

Anyone who is hurting is far better motivated to come to grips with the situation. The biggest weakness of those of us calling for reform is the infighting. We must look at the goal and not who is promoting it.

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Oh goody...
Posted by: adp3d on Oct 19, 2009 4:10 AM   
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...the is over 10,000. The retailers will be hoping for a Christmas recovery. But guess what? With 20% underemployment Christmas will be a retail bust, stores will close, fueling unemployment for next year, leading to more foreclosings... People need to have jobs. This country is currently not providing them, public or private sector.

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Love of money is an illness
Posted by: weathered on Oct 19, 2009 4:21 AM   
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a defect cured only by charity.

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It should be perfectly obvious that the DJIA is being manipulated by the TARP money.
Posted by: grindermonkey on Oct 19, 2009 5:50 AM   
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What else can you do with a bazillion dollars?

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"You Little People are SO BORING!"
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 19, 2009 5:58 AM   
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Do you know how much it costs to staff and maintain a NYC penthouse, an Aspen ski lodge, an Aruba hideaway and that lovely Connecticut farm?

And how much it costs to have that personal jet and those chauffeured limos to take you to your castles?

Don't even ask me about the high price of Beluga Caviar and Dom Perignon Chanpagne--what, you expect us to consume domestic? Shudder.

Just because our ancestors helped set off 'BanK Panics' in 1853, 1873, 1893, 1907 and the really BIG ONE of 1929 and we set off the latest one doesn't mean we're a bunch of greedy pigs.

So stop bitching about losing your home, job and your 401K account to Wall Street gangsters.

You should feel gratified that your miserly contribution helped the wealthy elite live the lifestlye you only read about.

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Concentrated Wealth
Posted by: arieden on Oct 19, 2009 6:32 AM   
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With wealth being concentrated in fewer hands, is there even enough money available to be spent to keep our economy going?

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What are we going to DO about it?
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 19, 2009 7:13 AM   
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I say we start by using Buy Nothing Day as the first step in a unified protest. Forget about dem vs rep, veggie vs carnivore, religious vs atheist and every other difference. If you believe the rich are stepping on the rest of us, vote with your wallet and show them we can take action!

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Wages Will Be Lowered
Posted by: melpol on Oct 19, 2009 7:32 AM   
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Illusions of an everlasting prosperity are over. No longer can the banks supply mortgages and credit cards to the poor. The U.S. has to accept a 15-20% unemployment rate. It will become an employers dream. A high wage will be rare with 100 applicants for every available job. The U.S. will still survive, but as a leaner and meaner nation.

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GET IT WHILE YOU CAN!
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 19, 2009 7:39 AM   
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A bonus that is. Thanks to the taxpayers, the banks are out of the woods. For the time being. And so it's time for the execs to cash in. It might be a while before the next big bonus. The banks have no reason to believe that they have to change their ways. There has been no effort to discipline anyone or to put rules in place that would help prevent future disasters. Why should they care? There have been no consequences to the Execs so far. While they calculate big bonuses they lay off employees and close branches. You could say that they're saving money, but in fact they're COLLECTING money for the sole purpose of generating cash for bonuses. The DOW is at 10,000 because people are being fired. Not the same as businesses being profitable. Nothing has been done to prevent another disaster. But as long as it's proftiable for a few, it will be allowed to happen, yet again. ANNA

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Theives
Posted by: jtweezo on Oct 19, 2009 7:48 AM   
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LOL, aint it the truth hide that money while you can!

RT
Ultimate Anonymity

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Wanna know what I think?
Posted by: willymack on Oct 19, 2009 8:01 AM   
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Well, I'm gonna tell you anyway.
I think it's time to dump the cannibalistic form of capitalism that's eating us alive, and try some form of Socialism, which would include single-payer universal health care, universal education through college (for those qualified),and heavy REGULATION of any and all industries and businesses allowed to operate after the change.
This is basically what's happened in those countries which have leapt ahead of us in every catagory worth mentioning, and STILL managed to preserve their democracies.
All this crap about what a pain in the ass major reform would be here because of our "unique" complexity, etc., etc. is just that-CRAP. The crooks robbing us blind would get the pain in the ass, not US.
It's time for all os us who are capable of THOUGHT, and aware of REALITY to get on our Microsoft Word, compose a letter, find the fax numbers of our congresspeople, and senators, and flood their offices with letters demanding an end to predatory capitalism and crooked politics.
This nation is SICK, and unless radical change in favor of its people (for a change) is not forthcoming, it'll DIE.

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Government is corrupt
Posted by: lclark on Oct 19, 2009 8:21 AM   
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Both the Republicans and the Democrats have made us subject to the multinational financial cartel. They have destroyed our REAL basis of wealth by entering transnational trade treaties that have resulted in the export of our manufacturing base as well as destroying national sovreignty and making choices that would help citizens in the current economic situation.

Food cartels as well have destroyed family farms.

All that has concentrated wealth into the hands of the few.

Continual war profits the few as well, at the expense of citizens, and is responsible for the massive debt that has accumulated since the Iraq fiasco. Why do we have troops stationed all over the world, especially in places like Europe?

This so called "global economy" agenda has been about nothing but passing control of nation states to the privaleged.

The government simply lies. As the years go by and they produce statistics that infaltion is under control I have experienced my heating costs and groceries more than double.

In American history, when we have been in this situation, significant change has only occurred when 3rd party movements have become powerful enough to potentially unseat the current political gang that has become corrupt.

This problem will not be solved until food cartels are broken up, manufacturing is reestablished in this country, and we get out of transnational trade treaties that do not allow us to address the constraints they have placed on our economy, and we return control of printing money to public institutions.

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Nah, the stock market is ready to rock and roll.
Posted by: Laffing Garfield on Oct 19, 2009 8:56 AM   
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I didn't have to go to college to get rich. I'm gonna invest in the stock market and by the end of next year, I'll be calling for an end to capital gains tax. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !! MORE TAX CUTS ! MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!

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defect to credit unions
Posted by: lionsdenmother on Oct 19, 2009 9:06 AM   
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my bank just raised my credit card interest rate from 9 percent to 17 percent for no apparent reason , amoung some other changes they made recently that effect me negatively i plan to join a credit union bank they dont play the wall street casino i am told

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No growth
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 19, 2009 9:27 AM   
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Expected growth will come in the form of another financial bubble; there will be no real growth, only the sort of fake growth that is really just an accelerated concentration of money in the hands of the rich. Pyramid schemes are not growth.

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We're in a depression - but what to do?
Posted by: bflaska on Oct 19, 2009 9:41 AM   
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Thanks, Scott Thill, for a good look at this mess. Depression it is.

Please know we are in dangerous times. And you can't be passive if your very existence is threatened.

Danny Schechter
(http://www.newsdissector.com/blog)

Danny Schechter has taken on the Wall St Crime Scene for years now, and nonstop. He's wondering what we the people can do to express our outrage. He also just sent me this next article. Read here about the financial coup, then "How much longer will you remain passive?":

http://ampedstatus.com/

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Class Warfare
Posted by: Aredee on Oct 19, 2009 9:44 AM   
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Those who accuse the anti-corporatists of waging "class warfare" are ignoring the fact that class warfare, in its current incarnation, began with the Reagan era, and so far the working classes--blue collar, white collar, and pink collar--have been losing.

The big "if" is when working people will finally realize who their true adversary is, and not allow themselves to be led around by Limbaugh, Beck, Fox "News" and other mouthpieces for the corporate elite.

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Obama hasn't done squat about it!
Posted by: bh on Oct 19, 2009 9:50 AM   
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Obama is bought and paid for by Corporate America. Thought we were getting FDR, we got Bush 3.

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Watch FRONTLINE tomorrow at 9pm
Posted by: Sushi on Oct 19, 2009 10:33 AM   
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Called "The Warning". It should give us all we need to know to begin pressure for backing out of WTO and put tarriffs back. Please! America is in great danger! We need to know before we can act. Watch tomorrow's Frontline on PBS at 9 pm.

Sushi
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Bread and circuses
Posted by: wormfarmer on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 AM   
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As long as the unwashed masses are distracted we are going to be in the position of being manipulated. This population has been down this road repeatedly, been promised that the days of financial manipulation will NEVER happen again, no, no, never, never, never, never, and we fall victim to the same crap over and over again. What a bunch of rubes.
I agree that we should have a, "Buy nothing day", just to see what impact the populace has in regard to the economy.
This has gone on far too long, and yes, we are part of the problem. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the behavior of our social destiny.

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Let's Restore America's Middle Class...
Posted by: yellow on Oct 19, 2009 2:54 PM   
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Restoring the middle class everywhere is political project because eliminating it was one. It was the GOP and their running up deficits with tax cuts for the rich and effective tax increases on the middle class that helped to destroy the middle class. Deficits forced government and the middle class into debt to survive. It was the GOP, not the Democrats or the middle class, who wanted to run up debts for spending projects without paying for them.

Conservatives have always inveighed against large deficits and the national debt it created. In fact, the GOP in the US has been the biggest creator of such debt and deficits. Reagan himself ran up a $3 trillion national debt which exceeded all the debt collectively accumulated since the beginning of our Republic. Most of this was on military programs like Star Wars in order to outspend the Russians into "systemic collapse." As it turns out, the Russians weren't even trying to keep pace with the US militarily and collapsed due to Afghanistan, falling oil export revenues due to price declines, corruption and poor economic management. Most of US got debt and a weak dollar. We also got nothing for the politics of the last 30 years.

I say reverse course and bring back the living (union) wage, the social safety net, regulation on the financial sector and government stimulus of the economy that works for full employment and not just the military. High levels of military spending are inflationary because it doesn't balance increases in overall spending with similar increases in output of consumer goods and services. Furthermore, non-military spending is more labor intensive and a better stimulus for the economy in general. Such a plan will better restore the middle class here and abroad. We need the political will to push for its enactment.

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I haven't.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Oct 19, 2009 2:58 PM   
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I haven't had a full time job.

Ever.

In my life.

I look for one every day.

I'm 22 years old.

I graduated college with a B.A. a year ago.

I've worked numerous part time jobs in the past.

I now work as a substitute teacher.

As a sub, I work perhaps 1 day a week, maybe two.

I live with my mother-in-law.


BEHOLD!!!!!

THE GREAT GREEN SHOOTS OF RECOVERY!!!!!!!!!!!!

HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE'S ON THE ROAD TO RECOVERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In the words of Stan Marsh on South Park,

"Dude, that's pretty fucked up, right there."

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» oh... and... Posted by: Rusty Shackleford

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The Magical President
Posted by: travelertoo on Oct 19, 2009 9:02 PM   
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Bush should be known as the magical president. When the twin towers were hit Bush DISAPPEARED. The Iraq nuclear missiles DISAPPEARED. The CIA tapes of interrigation DISAPPEARED. Bush was nowhere to be found when 'shotgun Dick' disclosed that Valerie Plame was a (covert) CIA agent which was classified information. When our embassy in Serbia burned Bush DISAPPEARED. Bush's Robber Baron presidency has made our money DISAPPEAR. With Voodoo Economics Georgie has made most of our jobs DISAPPEAR. But what would happen if Bush really disappeared? Can you imagine 'Deadeye Dick' with his finger on the nuclear trigger? If that were to happen everyone might just DISAPPEAR!!!!!!! When he wanted to put all the Social Security money in the stock market, Barney Frank said that Wall Street needed to be re-regulated. Bush replied by disappearing. He did manage to APPEAR just long enough to lobby for and sign into law CORPORATE WELFARE for the international banks. Goodbye Goofball Georgie, have fun in Texass.

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Balloon Boys are Back to take the rest of your money
Posted by: kettleblack on Oct 19, 2009 10:41 PM   
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They are artificially pumping up the DOW, sucking in all the investors that they didn't snare in the first go-around. Nothing has been fixed. They just put in money that was borrowed from China. Financial smoke and mirrors. No new jobs created. None on the horizon.
When this one pops, look out!
It ain't gonna be pretty.

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The Dow is up because...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 AM   
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...it is being pumped up by the bailout money and the "fast traders." (google it if you need to).

They are pumping it up so the little guy will put his share in, thinking, "WOW, it's safe again and I can make a few bucks."

Meanwhile, the dodo forgot the last time he tried to time the market he got killed, as the fast traders swooped in to take it away.

Most people advise the little guy to stay out of this cesspool, and find other ways to "invest" your money.

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