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What Recession? As the Economy Crashed Around Them, 400 Richest Americans Lined Their Pockets with $30 Billion

Their combined wealth is more than enough to insure the uninsured for the next twenty years or more.
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It's great to know that during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the wealth of the 400 richest Americans, according to Forbes, actually increased by $30 billion. Well golly, that's only a 2 percent increase, much less than the double digit returns the wealthy had grown accustomed to. But a 2 percent increase is a whole lot more than losing 40 percent of your 401k. And $30 billion is enough to provide 500,000 school teacher jobs at $60k per year.

Collectively, those 400 have $1.57 trillion in wealth. It's hard to get your mind around a number like that. The way I do it is to imagine that we were still living during the great radical Eisenhower era of the 1950s when marginal income tax rates hit 91 percent. Taxes were high back in the 1950s because people understood that constraining wild extremes of wealth would make our country stronger and prevent another depression. (Well, what did those old fogies know?)

Had we kept those high progressive taxes in place, instead of removing them, especially during the Reagan era, the Forbes 400 might each be worth "only" $100 million instead of $3.9 billion each. So let's imagine that the rest of their wealth, about $1.53 trillion, were available for the public good.

What does $1.53 trillion buy?

It's more than enough to insure the uninsured for the next twenty years or more.

It's more than enough to create a Manhattan Project to solve global warming by developing renewable energy and a green, sustainable manufacturing sector.

And here's my favorite: It's more than enough to endow every public college and university in the country so that all of our children could gain access to higher education for free, forever!

Instead, we embarked on a grand experiment to see what would happen if we deregulated finance and changed the tax code so that millionaires could turn into billionaires. And even after that experiment failed in the most spectacular way, our system seems trapped into staying on the same deregulated path.

Instead of free higher education, health care and a sustainable economy, we got a fantasy finance boom and bust on Wall Street which crashed the real economy. We have our 400 billionaires, and we have 29 million unemployed and underemployed Americans. We have an infrastructure in shambles. We have an environment in crisis. We have a health care system that would make Rube Goldberg proud. And we have the worst income distribution since 1929.

I hazard to guess that each and every Forbes 400 member could get by with a net worth of $100 million. I don't think that would kill their entrepreneurial drive or harm our economy--in fact it would be a major boon to the economy to step back from the edge of such massive concentration of wealth. The real problem is getting there form here. A wealth tax that kicks in when you become worth more than $100 million would be a good start. The Eisenhower tax rate on adjustable gross income over $3 million a year would help as well.

And please let's not call it socialism, now that we've placed the entire financial sector on welfare to the tune of over $13 trillion in subsidies and guarantees. (By the way, the yearly budget outlays for means tested programs for low income citizens is about $350 billion per year. So Wall Street's welfare is about 37 times as large as welfare for poor.)

So if narrowing the income/wealth gap isn't socialism, what is it? It's the America that thrived in the 1950s and 1960s. It's the America that created a middle-class and vowed never to let the financial gamblers return us to another depression. It's an America that put its people to work and built an infrastructure that was the envy of the world.

Where's Dwight David Eisenhower when we need him?

 


Les Leopold is the executive director of the Labor Institute and Public Health Institute in New York, and author of The Looting of America: How Wall Street's Game of Fantasy Finance Destroyed Our Jobs, Pensions, and Prosperity—and What We Can Do About It (Chelsea Green, 2009).
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Lets see if Al Gore is on the list....
Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on Oct 1, 2009 2:58 PM   
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Am trying to see if Al Gore in on this list for the millions he borrowed from the government that he has invested in a 'green' car that will cost 100k at least to buy. Greed is on all sides of the political fence.

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» I don't know about Al Gore.... Posted by: lupuslefou

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Out-of-date Information
Posted by: Zernhelt on Oct 1, 2009 6:38 PM   
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You may want to be aware, the Forbes article you are citing was written in September of 2008. This year's Forbes 400 list says that a collective $300 billion in net worth was was lost this year rather than $30 billion gained.

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» Oh! Well then it's ok! Posted by: lupuslefou
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Bet
Posted by: cbstogner on Oct 2, 2009 8:09 PM   
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The beted against the economy. They were smart. I am surprised that all the mortgage companies thought that home prices would keep rising. If they did, nobody could afford them!

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Please don't reject socialism
Posted by: DignityForAll on Oct 6, 2009 4:05 AM   
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Look at Europe, especially Scandinavia. Since WWII many of the influential European political parties have been explicitly Socialist.

Since the election, we are hearing more and more about socialism. This is fantastic! Progressive media should aim to educate people about the facts and powerful history of socialism in the US and the world.

1) Socialism can be easily combined with Democracy and Capitalism, as in Scandinavia.

2) There is a long tradition of Socialism in the US (see Thomas Paine, Eugene Debs, Helen Keller, MLK, even Nixon).

3) We live in a society, not just an economy.

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» VERY good point! Posted by: lupuslefou

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Keeping Our Wealth Safe.
Posted by: melpol on Oct 6, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Total household wealth in the U.S. is over 50 trillion, that is more than the net household worth of the rest of the world. It is not shocking that 400 rich American men are worth over 1 Trillion. It is also not surprising that we have over 5000 nuclear weapons ready to use against any nation that tries to take that wealth away.

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How to call this
Posted by: sawdust on Oct 6, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Is this what you might call the "Imbalance of Charade"?

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Wealthy Americans.........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 6, 2009 6:38 AM   
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"A wealth tax that kicks in when you become worth more than $100 million would be a good start. "

A few other ideas for raising money for the government that need to be looked into:

1)Cutting subsidies to Agri-business, especially if it's going to "gentlemen farmers" to keep them from planting on their land!

2)Cutting the Military-Industrial-Complex!

3)Cutting some of that $10 million per day given to Israel!

4)Cutting the tax loopholes for Corporations shipping jobs overseas!

5)Cutting subsidies to BIG OIL, PHARMA, & FINANCE!

I'm not opposed to the rich getting richer, but not at the expense of everyone by having the laws gutted or rewritten! Can we have some semblance of fairness for the average American! Can our soil, water, food, and air not be polluted and kill us and allow our killers to go around as though they are the masters of the universe!

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Rubbish! Non-Reality!
Posted by: AJR Journal on Oct 6, 2009 6:42 AM   
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275 of the Forbes 400 are self-made.
After they started the business, after they worked the long hours necessary to succeed, after they (undoubtedly) skirted disaster, after they managed ALL the risks involved, and after they FINALLY attained some sort of success, you want to STEAL 90% of what is legitimately theirs.
That is a sick, depraved, EVIL proposal.
These people (I am not one of them) do more good for this country than you and your ilk could ever imagine.
If you think it is SO easy, go do it yourself.
Show me.

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» Reductum ad absurdum Posted by: AJR Journal
» Shove it, pig. Posted by: leafsong1
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Isn't this a little bit late in coming?
Posted by: rwshea on Oct 6, 2009 7:03 AM   
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Look, I agree that the concentration of wealth in the hands of a very few elite is, at best, injurious to everyone not among the wealthy, but the rhetoric used here doesn't move me. Why, because I saw this happening waaaay back in the 80's and nobody gave a damn. Now, all of a sudden, we're supposed to be outraged? Uh, I don't think so.

In fact, I think the rhetoric used on both sides of this is bad for the conversation. Stoking everyone's base emotional reactions is not going to do anything other than further polarize the situation. I would question taking that tack. The population has been very effectively propagandized.

People have become been desensitized over a long period of time. As far as I can tell, the masses (what a word to use! We need a new taxonomy) will not make any moves until their lives become much more intolerable than they are now - that is, on the street and hungry and pissed. We're on our way, but not there yet. Not by a long shot.

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Socialism, in a nutshell, is...
Posted by: Tim Brown on Oct 6, 2009 8:07 AM   
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...spending our tax dollars on ourselves.

Everybody grumbles about paying taxes, but think of it this way: if you were throwing a neighborhood party and everyone chipped in some money to buy the supplies you could get a better deal for those supplies than if everybody bought something on their own.

So, let's throw a tax party where all that money that we chipped in is spent on new jobs, education, healthcare, etc. Then we'd all be better off than we are now, trapped in a political system that is driven private money the goal of which is to enrich those who supply that money to our politicians, to keep them in power.

First thing we need to do is spend some of our money on public campaign financing and eliminate the bribery that put us in this mess.

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They made far more than thirty billion
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 6, 2009 8:15 AM   
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even if they lost thirty billion; wealth is relative. A thousand dollars is a lot of money if only one guy in town has that much. Even such a small sum can command a lot of power in such a situation. If you have a billion dollars and everybody else has ten thousand and the economy forces you to loose three hundred million and everybody else to lose nine thousand, you just became many times richer than you were before you lost three hundred million dollars. It is the disparity of wealth which measures the actual wealthiness of the rich, not absolute figures.

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Take Action
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 6, 2009 8:22 AM   
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We should reach out to everyone on "the other side" including those in the tea party protest and ask them to join in supporting Buy Nothing Day. It is a safe form of collective action that could show the power-elite that we are capable of putting differences aside and acting in our own best interest. Who knows, it could even lead to further cooperative efforts.

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Gore is far more concered about farting cows causing global warming than about real problems like
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 6, 2009 8:50 AM   
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these Robber Barons destroying our entire economy!

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400 own more than 150,000,000
Posted by: BenL8 on Oct 6, 2009 8:54 AM   
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That's half the U.S. population, 150 million, they own less than the Forbes 400. I posted an essay at http://benL8.blogspot.com, right at the top. According to the Federal Reserve report, Currents and Undercurrents, 2006, and subsequent Survey of Consumer Finance reports, half the population own only 2.5% of the national net worth, less than $1.5 trillion. Leopold does an important public service. I hope to read his book. TooMuch.org, Inequality.org, ExtremeInequality.org, United for a Fair Economy, and National Jobs for All Coalition, njfac.org all promote sane restructuring of the economy, as do Jeff Madrick, Ravi Batra, Dean Baker, and many other economists. Don't you think it would be a better world if your neighbor owned about $150,000 of net worth? He doesn't, half own on average $25,000 of net worth. It's entirely possible with simple rule changes to spread prosperity, without destroying fairness of reward for work. High marginal income tax rates would be a beginning.

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Eat shit and die, spammer
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM   
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Unfettered Capitalism
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 6, 2009 2:00 PM   
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Thank you dignityforall for "We live in a society, not just an economy".

The emptiness so many people feel, I think, is a direct result of unfettered capitalism positioned as acceptable and desirable by the government-run mainstream media.

I try to get involved locally in doing something good for the protection of my immediate environment and animals as I see injustices occur.

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Point of no return.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Oct 6, 2009 6:12 PM   
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I was reading an article on google news the other day, something about how New York state places higher taxes on the rich "at their own peril."

In other words, if the rich residents of New York don't want to pay such higher taxes (which amount to essentially nothing anyway), they'd just pack up their bags and move to an area with lower taxes.

Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached a point of no return. There's no going back to the days of good old Ike Eisenhower, when these ass wipes were taxed at 91%.

Let me state that again...

THERE IS NO GOING BACK TO THE 90% TAX RATES OF EISENHOWER!

Why? Simple. Because the rich have grown accustomed to their spoiled, and needlessly extravagant lifestyle, and they'll do ANYTHING to keep it.

Billionaires have no interest in becoming millionaires, and millionaires have no interest in becoming upper-middle class citizens.

If they don't like our system, they'll move to a city, county, state, country, planet that gives them lower taxes. They'll move to Hong Kong. They'll move to Singapore. They'll move to Mexico. Something. ANYTHING they can do to get away from paying their fair share.

I still have some hope that the United States could impose a series of very draconian measures on the rich, but it may essentially involve stripping them of certain rights of citizenship.

In other words...

- If you make more than x amount of dollars a year, you're not allowed to put your money in non-taxable overseas banks.

- If you make more than x amount of dollars a year, you're going to be charged that 90% tax margin, or more.

- If you make more than x amount of dollars a year, you're not allowed to own more than one house, and you're restricted on its size.


Then again, perhaps instead of focusing so intensely on TAXING the rich, we could simply tax the businesses, and heavily regulate them, saying...

- They HAVE to do xyz measure, they HAVE to impose pay caps of $300,000 for highest paid employees.

- They HAVE to forbid stock options.

- They CANNOT serve on the board of directors for other companies.

- The CEOs and directors CANNOT run for public office.

Rich people have no idea how well off they are compared to the rest of us. Or perhaps they do. And that's why they're so unwilling to give it up. They get their lobbyists to brainwash congress, AND the common people as well.

I was infuriated when I saw Capitalism: A Love Story, and there was the clip of Michelle Obama's quote about how they should share their piece of the pie, and then it cut to Glen Beck whining "BUT I WANT ALL MY PIE!"

Blue collar conservatives see that and they think that that means THEY'LL have to shell out and share their pie TOO. No. They don't clue in that Glen Beck has a LOT MORE pie to GIVE than they do.

The system is broken.
I believe I also heard that all but TWO of our senators are millionaires, and a high percentage of our congress members are millionaires.

How does that suit the interests of the common, working class people?

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And?
Posted by: dayahka on Oct 6, 2009 6:19 PM   
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And you're surprised? Angered? Disturbed? What?

Look, let's look at the situation plainly. Clearly and unambiguously, democracy and universal rights were and are a total farce. The purpose of espousing "democracy" was to enlarge the pool of serfs aspiring to wealth of their own so that the truly wealthy could expand their own wealth. Now, as the age of oil departs, the so-called middle class is dead, serfs will once again be the vast majority, feudalism will be the economic system both in myth and practice, and the rich lords, Like Lord Gates, Lord Summers, Lord Geithner, Lord Limbaugh, or Lord (Oh, Lord!) McCain will be in a position to rule their little domains. Get used to it. This is reality.

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Stop Corporate Welfare for Life Insurance Companies
Posted by: PolitiComm on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 AM   
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I agree 100% with Les Leopold. We used to have a progressive income tax in this country. The problem I see right now is that Warren Buffett is trying to pass the estate tax off as the most progressive tax in the United States. Here's the deal with the estate tax: Most family business owners will never have to pay it and government services won't benefit that much because the estate tax accounts for less than 2% of the federal budget.

So why are folks like Warren Buffett making such a big deal out of it? Because Warren Buffett's company owns several insurance companies. Insurance companies spend millions of dollars a year to lobby for the estate tax so they can market estate tax avoidance schemes to small business owners.

Small, family owned businesses are the heart and soul of this country. I know from experience that most small business owners will never pull down huge profits. The vast majority of them spend more than 90% of their revenue just to pay employees and put any profit they might earn back into the business (usually to hire more employees). The estate tax just forces small business owners to put money that could be going to hiring more employees toward life insurance premiums.

Its long past time that Congress stopped supporting life insurance companies and corporate CEOs like Warren Buffett over hard working family business owners.

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In fact, I think
Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:15 AM   
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In fact, I think the rhetoric used on both sides of this is bad for the conversation. Stoking everyone's base emotional reactions is not going to do anything other than further polarize the situation. I would question taking that tack. The population has been very effectively propagandized.

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Lets see if Al Gore is on the list....
Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on Oct 1, 2009 2:58 PM   
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Am trying to see if Al Gore in on this list for the millions he borrowed from the government that he has invested in a 'green' car that will cost 100k at least to buy. Greed is on all sides of the political fence.

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Out-of-date Information
Posted by: Zernhelt on Oct 1, 2009 6:38 PM   
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You may want to be aware, the Forbes article you are citing was written in September of 2008. This year's Forbes 400 list says that a collective $300 billion in net worth was was lost this year rather than $30 billion gained.

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Bet
Posted by: cbstogner on Oct 2, 2009 8:09 PM   
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The beted against the economy. They were smart. I am surprised that all the mortgage companies thought that home prices would keep rising. If they did, nobody could afford them!

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Please don't reject socialism
Posted by: DignityForAll on Oct 6, 2009 4:05 AM   
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Look at Europe, especially Scandinavia. Since WWII many of the influential European political parties have been explicitly Socialist.

Since the election, we are hearing more and more about socialism. This is fantastic! Progressive media should aim to educate people about the facts and powerful history of socialism in the US and the world.

1) Socialism can be easily combined with Democracy and Capitalism, as in Scandinavia.

2) There is a long tradition of Socialism in the US (see Thomas Paine, Eugene Debs, Helen Keller, MLK, even Nixon).

3) We live in a society, not just an economy.

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Keeping Our Wealth Safe.
Posted by: melpol on Oct 6, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Total household wealth in the U.S. is over 50 trillion, that is more than the net household worth of the rest of the world. It is not shocking that 400 rich American men are worth over 1 Trillion. It is also not surprising that we have over 5000 nuclear weapons ready to use against any nation that tries to take that wealth away.

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How to call this
Posted by: sawdust on Oct 6, 2009 4:51 AM   
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Is this what you might call the "Imbalance of Charade"?

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Wealthy Americans.........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 6, 2009 6:38 AM   
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"A wealth tax that kicks in when you become worth more than $100 million would be a good start. "

A few other ideas for raising money for the government that need to be looked into:

1)Cutting subsidies to Agri-business, especially if it's going to "gentlemen farmers" to keep them from planting on their land!

2)Cutting the Military-Industrial-Complex!

3)Cutting some of that $10 million per day given to Israel!

4)Cutting the tax loopholes for Corporations shipping jobs overseas!

5)Cutting subsidies to BIG OIL, PHARMA, & FINANCE!

I'm not opposed to the rich getting richer, but not at the expense of everyone by having the laws gutted or rewritten! Can we have some semblance of fairness for the average American! Can our soil, water, food, and air not be polluted and kill us and allow our killers to go around as though they are the masters of the universe!

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Rubbish! Non-Reality!
Posted by: AJR Journal on Oct 6, 2009 6:42 AM   
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275 of the Forbes 400 are self-made.
After they started the business, after they worked the long hours necessary to succeed, after they (undoubtedly) skirted disaster, after they managed ALL the risks involved, and after they FINALLY attained some sort of success, you want to STEAL 90% of what is legitimately theirs.
That is a sick, depraved, EVIL proposal.
These people (I am not one of them) do more good for this country than you and your ilk could ever imagine.
If you think it is SO easy, go do it yourself.
Show me.

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» Self-made Posted by: willymack
» RE: ubbish! Non-Reality! Posted by: ronfar@hotmail.com
» Reductum ad absurdum Posted by: AJR Journal
» Shove it, pig. Posted by: leafsong1
» Will you always be SO stupid? Posted by: AJR Journal

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Isn't this a little bit late in coming?
Posted by: rwshea on Oct 6, 2009 7:03 AM   
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Look, I agree that the concentration of wealth in the hands of a very few elite is, at best, injurious to everyone not among the wealthy, but the rhetoric used here doesn't move me. Why, because I saw this happening waaaay back in the 80's and nobody gave a damn. Now, all of a sudden, we're supposed to be outraged? Uh, I don't think so.

In fact, I think the rhetoric used on both sides of this is bad for the conversation. Stoking everyone's base emotional reactions is not going to do anything other than further polarize the situation. I would question taking that tack. The population has been very effectively propagandized.

People have become been desensitized over a long period of time. As far as I can tell, the masses (what a word to use! We need a new taxonomy) will not make any moves until their lives become much more intolerable than they are now - that is, on the street and hungry and pissed. We're on our way, but not there yet. Not by a long shot.

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Socialism, in a nutshell, is...
Posted by: Tim Brown on Oct 6, 2009 8:07 AM   
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...spending our tax dollars on ourselves.

Everybody grumbles about paying taxes, but think of it this way: if you were throwing a neighborhood party and everyone chipped in some money to buy the supplies you could get a better deal for those supplies than if everybody bought something on their own.

So, let's throw a tax party where all that money that we chipped in is spent on new jobs, education, healthcare, etc. Then we'd all be better off than we are now, trapped in a political system that is driven private money the goal of which is to enrich those who supply that money to our politicians, to keep them in power.

First thing we need to do is spend some of our money on public campaign financing and eliminate the bribery that put us in this mess.

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They made far more than thirty billion
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 6, 2009 8:15 AM   
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even if they lost thirty billion; wealth is relative. A thousand dollars is a lot of money if only one guy in town has that much. Even such a small sum can command a lot of power in such a situation. If you have a billion dollars and everybody else has ten thousand and the economy forces you to loose three hundred million and everybody else to lose nine thousand, you just became many times richer than you were before you lost three hundred million dollars. It is the disparity of wealth which measures the actual wealthiness of the rich, not absolute figures.

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Take Action
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 6, 2009 8:22 AM   
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We should reach out to everyone on "the other side" including those in the tea party protest and ask them to join in supporting Buy Nothing Day. It is a safe form of collective action that could show the power-elite that we are capable of putting differences aside and acting in our own best interest. Who knows, it could even lead to further cooperative efforts.

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Gore is far more concered about farting cows causing global warming than about real problems like
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 6, 2009 8:50 AM   
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these Robber Barons destroying our entire economy!

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400 own more than 150,000,000
Posted by: BenL8 on Oct 6, 2009 8:54 AM   
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That's half the U.S. population, 150 million, they own less than the Forbes 400. I posted an essay at http://benL8.blogspot.com, right at the top. According to the Federal Reserve report, Currents and Undercurrents, 2006, and subsequent Survey of Consumer Finance reports, half the population own only 2.5% of the national net worth, less than $1.5 trillion. Leopold does an important public service. I hope to read his book. TooMuch.org, Inequality.org, ExtremeInequality.org, United for a Fair Economy, and National Jobs for All Coalition, njfac.org all promote sane restructuring of the economy, as do Jeff Madrick, Ravi Batra, Dean Baker, and many other economists. Don't you think it would be a better world if your neighbor owned about $150,000 of net worth? He doesn't, half own on average $25,000 of net worth. It's entirely possible with simple rule changes to spread prosperity, without destroying fairness of reward for work. High marginal income tax rates would be a beginning.

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Eat shit and die, spammer
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 6, 2009 2:45 PM   
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Unfettered Capitalism
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 6, 2009 2:00 PM   
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Thank you dignityforall for "We live in a society, not just an economy".

The emptiness so many people feel, I think, is a direct result of unfettered capitalism positioned as acceptable and desirable by the government-run mainstream media.

I try to get involved locally in doing something good for the protection of my immediate environment and animals as I see injustices occur.

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Point of no return.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford on Oct 6, 2009 6:12 PM   
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I was reading an article on google news the other day, something about how New York state places higher taxes on the rich "at their own peril."

In other words, if the rich residents of New York don't want to pay such higher taxes (which amount to essentially nothing anyway), they'd just pack up their bags and move to an area with lower taxes.

Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached a point of no return. There's no going back to the days of good old Ike Eisenhower, when these ass wipes were taxed at 91%.

Let me state that again...

THERE IS NO GOING BACK TO THE 90% TAX RATES OF EISENHOWER!

Why? Simple. Because the rich have grown accustomed to their spoiled, and needlessly extravagant lifestyle, and they'll do ANYTHING to keep it.

Billionaires have no interest in becoming millionaires, and millionaires have no interest in becoming upper-middle class citizens.

If they don't like our system, they'll move to a city, county, state, country, planet that gives them lower taxes. They'll move to Hong Kong. They'll move to Singapore. They'll move to Mexico. Something. ANYTHING they can do to get away from paying their fair share.

I still have some hope that the United States could impose a series of very draconian measures on the rich, but it may essentially involve stripping them of certain rights of citizenship.

In other words...

- If you make more than x amount of dollars a year, you're not allowed to put your money in non-taxable overseas banks.

- If you make more than x amount of dollars a year, you're going to be charged that 90% tax margin, or more.

- If you make more than x amount of dollars a year, you're not allowed to own more than one house, and you're restricted on its size.


Then again, perhaps instead of focusing so intensely on TAXING the rich, we could simply tax the businesses, and heavily regulate them, saying...

- They HAVE to do xyz measure, they HAVE to impose pay caps of $300,000 for highest paid employees.

- They HAVE to forbid stock options.

- They CANNOT serve on the board of directors for other companies.

- The CEOs and directors CANNOT run for public office.

Rich people have no idea how well off they are compared to the rest of us. Or perhaps they do. And that's why they're so unwilling to give it up. They get their lobbyists to brainwash congress, AND the common people as well.

I was infuriated when I saw Capitalism: A Love Story, and there was the clip of Michelle Obama's quote about how they should share their piece of the pie, and then it cut to Glen Beck whining "BUT I WANT ALL MY PIE!"

Blue collar conservatives see that and they think that that means THEY'LL have to shell out and share their pie TOO. No. They don't clue in that Glen Beck has a LOT MORE pie to GIVE than they do.

The system is broken.
I believe I also heard that all but TWO of our senators are millionaires, and a high percentage of our congress members are millionaires.

How does that suit the interests of the common, working class people?

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And?
Posted by: dayahka on Oct 6, 2009 6:19 PM   
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And you're surprised? Angered? Disturbed? What?

Look, let's look at the situation plainly. Clearly and unambiguously, democracy and universal rights were and are a total farce. The purpose of espousing "democracy" was to enlarge the pool of serfs aspiring to wealth of their own so that the truly wealthy could expand their own wealth. Now, as the age of oil departs, the so-called middle class is dead, serfs will once again be the vast majority, feudalism will be the economic system both in myth and practice, and the rich lords, Like Lord Gates, Lord Summers, Lord Geithner, Lord Limbaugh, or Lord (Oh, Lord!) McCain will be in a position to rule their little domains. Get used to it. This is reality.

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Stop Corporate Welfare for Life Insurance Companies
Posted by: PolitiComm on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 AM   
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I agree 100% with Les Leopold. We used to have a progressive income tax in this country. The problem I see right now is that Warren Buffett is trying to pass the estate tax off as the most progressive tax in the United States. Here's the deal with the estate tax: Most family business owners will never have to pay it and government services won't benefit that much because the estate tax accounts for less than 2% of the federal budget.

So why are folks like Warren Buffett making such a big deal out of it? Because Warren Buffett's company owns several insurance companies. Insurance companies spend millions of dollars a year to lobby for the estate tax so they can market estate tax avoidance schemes to small business owners.

Small, family owned businesses are the heart and soul of this country. I know from experience that most small business owners will never pull down huge profits. The vast majority of them spend more than 90% of their revenue just to pay employees and put any profit they might earn back into the business (usually to hire more employees). The estate tax just forces small business owners to put money that could be going to hiring more employees toward life insurance premiums.

Its long past time that Congress stopped supporting life insurance companies and corporate CEOs like Warren Buffett over hard working family business owners.

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In fact, I think
Posted by: fredtowson on Oct 16, 2009 10:15 AM   
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