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The Fast Food Industry's 7 Most Heinous Concoctions
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This was AlterNet's 7th most popular article of 2009.
Although the organic movement has certainly started to influence how Americans think about their food, it is still no match for the American fast food industry, which continuously finds creative new ways of piling sugar, salt and fat on a plate and charging customers $4.99 for the privilege of eating it.
In recent years, in fact, some of America's favorite chains have gone above and beyond the call of duty and concocted thoroughly repellent dishes that make the Double Quarter Pounder look like a celery stick. These companies have offered Americans these revolting meals despite the fact that roughly one-third of the country is now obese, a deplorable state of affairs that accounting firm Pricewaterhouse Coopers estimates costs the U.S. health-care system $200 billion a year in wasted spending.
In this article, we'll name and shame the very worst offenders, whether they're 1,400-calorie hamburgers or 550-calorie cups of coffee. So let's get things rolling with …
No. 7 -- The Krispy Kreme Doughnut Sundae

Two years ago, the brain trust at Krispy Kreme decided to
When the sundae -- known affectionately as the Kool Kreme -- premiered
No. 6 -- Starbucks's Mocha Coconut Frappuccino Blended Coffee With Whipped Cream

At first glance, the Starbucks Mocha Coconut Frappuccino Blended Coffee with whipped cream doesn't seem to belong on this list. After all, its 550 calories and 22 grams of fat pale in comparison to some of the burgers and pizzas we'll encounter a little bit later. But then you remember that the Frappuccino is supposed to be a breakfast drink. As in, something you drink the first thing in the morning while you eat your cereal. And then you understand that if you're willing to consume one-fourth of your daily caloric intake before you even arrive to work, there's nothing to stop you from wolfing down a 1,200-carlorie KFC Double Down (see Item No. 2) for lunch and dinner.
No. 5 -- Cheeseburger Fries

These treats were apparently made for people who love eating cheeseburgers and fries but who don't want to go through the hassle of mashing them together into a fine paste. Cheeseburger fries gained national attention when the New York Times reported that they had become a mini-sensation in the Midwest. The fries, said the Times, were "made of a meat-and-cheese compound" that was "breaded, then deep fried and served with ketchup or barbecue sauce." The caloric intake for these beasts was 75 calories per fry, meaning that eating 10 of them would account for more than a third of your daily intake.
No. 4 -- The KFC Famous Bowl

KFC has a long and proud history of making Americans morbidly obese, but the company reached a new high in 2007 when it unleashed its Famous Bowl upon the world. The Bowl is really a variation on a classic American method of cooking that involves taking a bunch of unhealthy goo from different sources and then slopping them all into a bowl. In this particular example, KFC threw together mashed potatoes, corn, fried chicken, gravy and cheese to create a 720-calorie horror that contains 1 1/2 times your daily fat allowance. The thought of joylessly plowing through the Bowl's starchy potatoes, greasy gravy and processed cheese sounds about as soulless and monotonous as working in a puppy-slaughtering factory.
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If a liberal or progressive gets caught making biscuits and gravy, having a barbecue, or making cheesecake in the privacy of her own home, will she be kicked out the club?...Or only if she gets caught eating at a chain restaurant?
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 27, 2009 4:23 AM
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What will happen to the USA if the majority of people lose weight and start thinking???
If they dont want to be victims anymore and demand health care and good salaries and a quality life?
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Posted by: Lilly on Aug 27, 2009 5:14 AM
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BTW in one of Rita Mae Brown's foxhunting murder mystery novels, which often delve into Southern culture, the glazed doughnut-based ice cream hot fudge sundae is mentioned. Brown says it's a Southern thing. Wouldn't surprise me.
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Posted by: grmartin on Aug 27, 2009 5:30 AM
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On the other hand, people stupid enough to pay for and eat this crap perhaps get what they deserve. Its one way of reducing the moron population by natural selection.
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Aug 27, 2009 6:12 AM
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The food channel is entertainment, not informative. Somehow, watching people make healthy food while eating your Thick Burger and waiting to eat your Oreo Pizza is a "nice evening of relaxing at home." Ouch!
For healthy information related to the calories discussed in the article;
Adult man requires approx 2,000 calories per day to maintain healthy body weight (after he has lost the fast food eating habits and attained a healthy weight).
Adult female requires approximately 1,500 calories per day (as per above healthy weight).
A healthy diet (defined as healthy eating as a lifestyle--literally you life) breaks down to:
20-20% Protein (4 calories/gram)
15-30% Fats (9 calories/gram
55-50% Carbohydrates (4 calories/gram)
Alcohol (7 calories/gram)
To learn the number of calories you, at your present height and weight need to maintain your current rate Mayo Clinic Website Calorie Calculator.
To learn more about Calories and nutrition List of calories per gram and nutrient list. All of these tools are more difficult to use when sitting on the couch watching the commercials for KFC/Burger King/Rotten Ronnies, etc.
Thinking is required to eat healthy and save medical costs; more Americans (home of fast food) and others in nations with growing obesity rates need to think more and cease to mindlessly eat for "entertainment."
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Aug 27, 2009 6:51 AM
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One of the "questioners" in the audience was a doctor, whose name I do not recall, who announced to one and all that he had "Republican" suggestions to improve health care: first, tort "reform," i.e. capping damages and setting time limits on medical malpractice lawsuits, a stupid idea Congressman Boswell has fought in the House; secondly, personal responsibility.
Let me tell you, this guy pissed me off. First of all any doctor who says he is for tort "reform" is signaling, he is an incompetent. The state of California tried tort reform twenty odd years ago and premiums for physician's medical malpractice insurance still went up, it doesn't work. But the real problem is that the medical profession does a piss poor job of weeding out quacks. If doctors policed themselves rather than acting like the Mafia taking an oath of silence every time one of their fraternity screws up, tort reform might not even be an issue.
But what this priggish physician said that really p.o.'d me was his personal responsibility pitch. I wanted to ask him if he knew what stocks were in his portfolio. If he has a diversified stock portfolio I'm sure he has holdings in Yum Brands, Inc, Pepsico, or Burger King. I know, much to my chagrin, that my little IRA holds stock in some of those outfits.
And here's the thing that sticks in my craw, at the very time in our history when the medical profession is hooting and hollering about a obesity epidemic the fast food choke-and-puke chains are in a nuclear-arms race to turn out bigger and better and more deadly heart attack pills!
People used to joke that doctors must own stock in fast food restaurants to drum up business. Well, you know what, for some physicians I don't think that's all that far from the truth.
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Posted by: Matamillion on Aug 27, 2009 6:52 AM
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Libs are the parents - thinking twice, not self destructive in nature, concerned, actually compassionate (instead of faking for the cameras), open to suggestion, not liable to commit acts of self destruction on a dare and constantly with the "tisk, tisk" because generally libs have to clean up after the cons who have recently puked fast food all over the new sofa.
Cons - Are the churlish, narcissistic, self serving, lying, thieving, pugnacious, probably on probation, beater wearing thugs that buy this stuff just to "show you" that Americans deserve every balloon catheterization we get! They are probably NOT your kid, but your mate's spawn from a previous marriage.
This is the steady diet of Homer Simpson smothered in sweet creamery butter!
The fact that India originally denied KFC a license on the grounds that their food was not nutritious enough for the public market should speak volumes! Not good enough for STARVING PEOPLE!
Dude! WTF?
See SuperSize Me. Read Fast Food Nation. Seriously!
God will not protect you from this "food". This is your FREE WILL climbing up your ass and building a house. It may be yummy now, but when you're pulling your oxygen mask off the kiss your grand kids...
I don't much care if cons are trying to prove a point by killing themselves, knock yourselves out, but they're bringing us all down and I resent having to pay for it. The cost of health care around super sizing is going to bankrupt this nation far sooner than the drug war and once again we sit here, thumbs up ass, going BLAH BLAH BLAH.
If you REALLY want to stop it, TAX IT.
One dollar for every 10¢ of supersizing.
Consider the REAL cost of producing a single poisonous cigarette and you get the picture. The profit far outweighs the cost even taxed to a fair-thee-well, but the net is a real killer and we use that tax to help dig smoking morons out of an early grave. And we keep cigarettes from children for what exactly?
I suppose taxing that corporate bile is considered liberal meddling in your right to shove any garbage in your mouth you like. After all, this is America, Land of the Home Free of the Brave!
So why can't you buy heroin from a vending machine?
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Posted by: swooshy on Aug 27, 2009 6:56 AM
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Europe has restrictions on fats and additives in food that US co's had to comply with. Here?? Here's what would happen...
I can hear the screams already. Taxing or regulating us is un American!!! To the ramparts!! Get the lobbyists!!
Why Can't we ruthlessly exploit the American People? It's the American Way!! So what if everyone else will pay for this in higher healthcare costs? WE are making money!! We help our friends in Big Agriculture and Big Medicine stay in business!! IT'S A WIN WIN WIN ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK!!
And where is that lapdog of a policitian to make this idea of regulating/taxing us GO AWAY???
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Posted by: mjglow on Aug 27, 2009 6:57 AM
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Same for every item on this list. Eating them every day, however, is a whole different ball game. There is a reason the recommended daily intake of calories is at 2000 (or 2500 for men).
For all you 'government wants to take over our lives' freaks out there...notice how I said recommended.
To the Vegans/vegetarians: The main culprit here is not meat. You can eat all the meat you want and still be healthy.
The main culprit is 'processed foods'. How many preservatives and other harmful additives are in those things?!
To everybody: And come on...Oreo pizza!?! That's just really unnecessary. Is it the same kind of crust as regular pizza?! eeeeeew.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Aug 27, 2009 7:15 AM
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There is no safe level for these artery-cloggers! They will kill you and there is no requirement that their use be disclosed to customers.
Read labels: "partially hydrogenated" soybean or other oils are altered in the laboratory and as deadly as an extra hundred pounds - or more so. Unfortunately, these deadly concoctions are exempt from any labeling requirement in restaurants - so virtually all restaurants use them in pastries and frying.
Beware!
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Aug 27, 2009 7:17 AM
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Personally I think they've improved in recent months. They no longer, for instance, conflate any and all meat-eating with factory meat production = destroying the environment, etc. etc. etc. (followed by the usual snarky comments from both sides). I've lamented that attitude in the past, which seemed to me an attitude of "Let's all eat cardboard and shit rainbows." So I guess I should say now that I've appreciated the more complex tone lately.
On the other hand, it's a little depressing to think that these are the "most popular" articles. Who eats at fast food chains? Poor people. Who is obese nowadays? Poor people. These articles can take on an attitude of superiority and class warfare very easily, if the authors aren't careful.
It's one thing to point out a problem, however entertainingly, but it's better to propose a way out.
When you focus on the fast food chains... what do you propose to DO constructively about them? Michael Pollan has pointed out for example how government policy currently tends to promote the growth of fast food chains in poor neighborhoods: it's easy to get a government loan to open a fast food franchise in a slum, because that has a good track record of success. But there are huge swaths in urban areas with no supermarket (even a bad one) for miles around.
And what has been the fate of Los Angeles' efforts to limit fast food in poor neighborhoods? I've read a bit about that from time to time, but don't know how that has turned out.
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I want to know about the politics and economics behind what ends up on the supermarket shelves. I want to know about the politics, economics, and psychology that prompts many of us to use food as a tranquilizer. I'll read all the Michael Pollan (etc.) articles you dish out. But too many of these articles have a subtext that I don't like: "Eieeuw, icky gross! Fat people! Sugar! Fat! Bad, bad, bad!"
If you're going to eat a slice of oreo pizza, or double cheese sausage and pepperoni pizza, do it because you enjoy it. Chances are good that you won't get sick, and you won't overindulge. If you eat it because you're feeling depressed and hopeless, you might eat the whole damn pizza -- but you know what? It's not the pizza's fault.
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Posted by: pg on Aug 27, 2009 9:41 AM
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My weight has dropped from 200 to 189 and my blood pressure was 119/78 last night vs. 140/100 before I started in 13 days!
That said those "sick" photos you showed looked pretty tasty!
The last thing I ate before I started my new way of eating was a Carls Jr. $6.00 burger and it was great!
It would be more productive to teach people healthier ways eat and why rather than hack on and demonize the fast food industry.
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Aug 27, 2009 9:56 AM
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It is a cultural problem, not a food quality problem, principally. In a nation with a relatively new and undeveloped culinary culture, where food is consumed on the go, lacking ritual and social contact, where food is understood as an efficiency and not as a social bind, the value of bodily and social nourishment is not considered.
We all enjoy a piece of unhealthy, greasy something every once in a while, all over the world. America's problem will not be solved attacking the providers of crappy edibles. The problem is much deeper than that.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Aug 27, 2009 10:28 AM
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shouldn't breakfast BE about 1/4 of your daily caloric intake??
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 27, 2009 10:45 AM
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The information's out there, folks. Fast food seems to be an express train to an early grave. Preservatives and other chemicals in processed foods can be a danger if ingested in enough quantity, and for some, ANY quantity is dangerous. Aspartame is pure poison to me, for instance.
I never have frequented fast food joints. There's something inately repulsive about them, besides, my wife is a great cook, and I'm not too shabby, myself.
There's also the cost factor. It's almost certainly cheaper to use the supermarket cupons to buy fresh stuff, prepare your own meals, and freeze the leftovers for later.
As for the crap mentioned here: even if I was hungry, I'd shudder at the thought of eating it, besides, I just had some pickled octopus for breakfast. Yum!
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Posted by: On the Border on Aug 27, 2009 10:48 AM
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That's a real bummer, because I'd never heard of it before reading this article and it both looks and sounds pretty darn good.
I guess that's the downside to showing all this addictive food in an article of this sort. It is a superb commercial for half the products listed (for those that enjoy their fast-food decadence on occasion), while those that are just as horrified as the author is at the idea of a "1200-calorie greaseburger" were already there before they started reading.
Let's just call it an exercise in counterproductivity.
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Posted by: Babushka on Aug 27, 2009 11:44 AM
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A long time ago I tried to eat these foods and it took me a while to figure out why I felt stressed and unhealthy all of the time. Add mass consumption of coffee that sits in the maker all day to this list, as well. When I finally figured out that "you are what you eat", I discovered fresh and organic and really delicious. America is addicted to the mouth feel (this is an industry term, i.e., the processed food industry)of glop-- such as the Big Mac; grease, as in those "greasy little pepperonis" on pizza and "bloomin' onions" at Outback; sodium--you don't have to shake it on any more--it's already there; and high fructose corn sweetener as sugar--be sure to wash it all down with a 2 liter Pepsi. People who eat this crap have presumably never tasted a truffle or goat cheese or real sweet creamery butter or a grass-finished Nebraska steak. No wonder people are dying like flies from colon cancer and high blood pressure!
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Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on Aug 27, 2009 12:26 PM
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Lack of excercise, excessive sedentary activities and lotsa scrumdiddlyumpshus crap snackfoods.
We don't really question what we scarf down.
Look at those 7/11 microwave burritos.
Who the hell ever thought that this would pass for something your digestive system would ever be able to break down? ..sure beats the hell out of me.
Until the last century most diets were traditional and largely evolved from local agriculture and spices and livestock. In the last half century our eating habits have become not only extremely broad switching from different traditions (chinese for lunch and italian for dinner) but then comes the fast food concoctions that defy content description.
Have our digestive tracts ever truly evolved with our diets?
Americans having more that 'melting pot' culinary appetite we have more choices than most places. Some european countries have lots of overweight people... heavy meat and potato meals knocked back with large glasses of the local brew. But ours is from ingesting whatever satisfies the munchies.
Well, the Krispy Kreme sundae looks utterly suicidal (and I wouldn't having one right now)
The cheeseburger fries... could only be the product of researchers who smoke dope.
(Reminds of my favorite artery clogging chilicheese fries... gawd it's been years!)
The Monster Burger beckons .....must.....fight... urge!
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Posted by: Drclaw on Aug 27, 2009 12:45 PM
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Posted by: rational_moderate on Aug 27, 2009 1:47 PM
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It seems that many types of articles trigger a predictable response of "Why does Alternet print these kind of articles?", where the commenter has seem clearly defined, but narrow definition of what they think the purpose of Alternet is. Maybe this line of reasononing would have merit if this medium was a very limited resource like broadcast hours on a television station or even space on a printed newspaper. The reality is, however, that the marginal cost of having more articles posted to a web server and adding links is quite small. So, I say, the more the merrier, as long as it fits the loose guidelines of progressive free speech (albeit hard to define exactly). One of the things I love about Alternet is it's kind of wild and wooly expression of ideas from various viewpoints.
Taxation:
For those that want to tax junk food, get a grip! I'm in favor of sin taxes. But nutrition is complex and controversial enough that it would be hard to draw the line between healthy and unhealthy foods. I think what many states have now where they tax candy and soda is probably a good place to leave it.
Like cigarettes:
Enough with these ridiculous analogies to cigarettes. Not only can junk food be consumed on rare occasion with negligible impact (unlike cigarettes that coat lungs with crap), but I'm not worried about involuntary second hand consumption of junk food.
Personally, I have a diet which some might consider puritanical: I cook almost all my meals at home from basic healthy ingredients. I essentially never eat junk food. However I'm not a vegetarian, because I believe a moderate consumption of some animal products (from good sources) can enrich a diet.
I'm a nutrition graduate student, so I've studied more than the average person about nutrition and think about it (including from a public health perspective) more than the average person.
I'm really concerned about the terrible lifestyle choices of many Americans, but I believe in personal freedoms where they don't infringe on other people (which again disqualifies smoking "rights").
Public Health Care:
Where it gets complicated, however, is when taxpayer money gets used to pay for healthcare. Then all of a sudden, the cost of one's bad lifestyle choices is a burden on other people. But even in this case, it's a scary idea to start limiting people's freedoms for that reason.
The advantages of a public health plan (such as single payer) are great enough that I think I could live with paying for other people's bad habits.
But it's enough of an issue that I'd also like more free-market healthcare reform ideas to be studied and discussed (and no this has nothing to do with what the right-wing echo chamber is bellowing about).
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I've got to admit, that giant burger above the title looked darn good!
When all is said and done, too much is made of what we eat. When the journalist (probably as expert as anyone on the subject of food) Michael Pollan was asked to recommend what to eat, he basically responded: Eat food; not too much; mostly plants, not too much meat. I would add to Pollin's advice to remember our Paleolithic ancestors. The agricultural revolution occurred a mere 10-12 thousand years ago; this is when the staple grains like rice and wheat became a large part of our diet. Prior to this event humans and pre-humans ate mostly vegetables, fruits, nuts, and some very lean meat. It is by and large common sense to get as much of the refined carbohydrates out of one's diet as possible. They are not a normal part of a human diet and, while they may not be doing rampant harm, over a life time they may contribute to certain morbidities such as heart disease and high blood pressure. Other "unnatural" things such as high fructose corn syrup, aspertame (thanks Don Rumsfield) are probably best strictly limited in consumption until a better understanding of their effects on our bodies are understood. Again, the article was mediocre (albeit at times very funny; e.g. the burger-fries concoction!) but the comments are great.
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Aug 27, 2009 3:04 PM
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Not because it repulsed me, but because I'm scarfing on a pepperoni pizza with a 7Up and some jalepeno-cheddar dipping sauce!
So Good!
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Posted by: james108 on Aug 27, 2009 3:30 PM
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I don't know how this relates to demonizing fast food in general, but showing the worst possible fast food to eat doesn't change my choice to pick out something I actually like. I agree that most of these things would be poor choices, and all of them very poor choices to overdo...
Most places offer salads these days too, and everybody should know by now that Ranch is packed with fat and sugar if that's what they're avoiding. I'm for taxing people more that make risky choices, but I won't demonize someone who overeats more than somebody who skis or does risky sports. Both have their risks and costs in health dollars we all share the burden of.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 27, 2009 4:45 PM
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By comparison, a slice of commercially prepared pumpkin pie with whipped cream on top has 393 calories and 126 calories of fat.
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George, 15, saw this and said, "This is a sign that our civilization is ending."
Pizza Hut Chocolate Dunkers! Paying money to hurt your own body! Masochism! Insanity!
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 27, 2009 6:59 PM
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Posted by: rwaldo on Aug 27, 2009 7:40 PM
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And just to play devil's advocate for the megacorp fast food joints, what about small restaurants that serves "challenge" portions - finish our two-pound bacon cheeseburger and get a free t-shirt and your photo on the wall! That's not evil, that's local color!
Mmmmmmm... two-pound bacon cheeseburger....
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Aug 28, 2009 7:56 AM
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If you want to eat cheeseburger fries, oreo cookie pizza's and donut sundae's by all means be my guest. It's not my heart you're killing.
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Posted by: MJ Fields on Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM
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Let me repeat that.
PASTA served in a bowl made of BREAD! I wouldn't know where to begin calculating the calories and carbs. Dr. Atkins has got to be spinning in his grave.
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I am all for government WARNING us about the evils of the food industry, but it is still your decision to make for yourself. Stay out of my life otherwise. Truth in labeling, yes, but really, do you think the people that would even venture close the foods mentioned in this article would actually want of be able to read the label?
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Posted by: raiders757 on Aug 28, 2009 6:18 PM
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Where is the calorie information coming from? I've read that it can be as low as 600, and not what was reported here. Of course, I am more willing to buy into the higher number. We're talking about two fried chicken breasts with cheese and bacon. There is no way it can only be 600 calories.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 30, 2009 8:23 AM
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we roared in laughter when we caught sight of a commercial from Sonic:
DEEP-FRIED MAC & CHEESE BALLS
we couldn't decide if it was a sign of stupidity or final proof of the contempt & loathing American business has for its customers...
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Posted by: Monkeychop on Sep 1, 2009 9:54 AM
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It's about moderation. You don't have to clean your plate. Listen to your body. When you're full -- stop eating.
Gotta go, need to do a Krispy Creme run....
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Posted by: dumdumboy on Sep 1, 2009 1:23 PM
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There seems to be an anology between this type of "food" and Republican policies. In both, nobody who loves 'em seems to care about the consequences of theur action, or inaction, as the case may be. One would think that, post-Katrina, everyone would understand that it simply isn't true that government isn't the solution but, rather, the problem. But people are still enthralled by the idea that their lives will be just as easy and carefree by not paying taxes,as well as by deregulation even as their roads crumble, their bridges collapse and their houses are foreclosed.
Mebbe the next article like this will address how clogging the arteries, cutting-down blood circulation, affects the brain's functions.
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Posted by: anscfoster on Sep 2, 2009 11:41 AM
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GROW UP.
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Posted by: j_cha on Sep 8, 2009 1:44 PM
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I don't think it ever will be.
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Be safe, be anorexic. People sympathize with you if your anorexic - no one hates the anorexic but a whole lot of you ethically superior types here sure do hate fat people.
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Let me tell you, this guy pissed me off. First of all any doctor who says he is for tort "reform" is signaling, he is an incompetent. The state of California tried tort reform twenty odd years ago and premiums for physician's medical malpractice insurance still went up, it doesn't work. But the real problem is that the medical profession does a piss poor job of weeding out quacks. If doctors policed mobile phones mobile manuals rf remote control four channel rf remote control melrose place s01e03 grand melrose place s01e03 subs seropol5 themselves rather than acting like the Mafia taking an oath of silence every time one of their fraternity screws up, tort reform might not even be an issue.
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REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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If a liberal or progressive gets caught making biscuits and gravy, having a barbecue, or making cheesecake in the privacy of her own home, will she be kicked out the club?...Or only if she gets caught eating at a chain restaurant?
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 27, 2009 4:23 AM
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What will happen to the USA if the majority of people lose weight and start thinking???
If they dont want to be victims anymore and demand health care and good salaries and a quality life?
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Posted by: Lilly on Aug 27, 2009 5:14 AM
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BTW in one of Rita Mae Brown's foxhunting murder mystery novels, which often delve into Southern culture, the glazed doughnut-based ice cream hot fudge sundae is mentioned. Brown says it's a Southern thing. Wouldn't surprise me.
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Posted by: grmartin on Aug 27, 2009 5:30 AM
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On the other hand, people stupid enough to pay for and eat this crap perhaps get what they deserve. Its one way of reducing the moron population by natural selection.
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Posted by: Prairie Waif on Aug 27, 2009 6:12 AM
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The food channel is entertainment, not informative. Somehow, watching people make healthy food while eating your Thick Burger and waiting to eat your Oreo Pizza is a "nice evening of relaxing at home." Ouch!
For healthy information related to the calories discussed in the article;
Adult man requires approx 2,000 calories per day to maintain healthy body weight (after he has lost the fast food eating habits and attained a healthy weight).
Adult female requires approximately 1,500 calories per day (as per above healthy weight).
A healthy diet (defined as healthy eating as a lifestyle--literally you life) breaks down to:
20-20% Protein (4 calories/gram)
15-30% Fats (9 calories/gram
55-50% Carbohydrates (4 calories/gram)
Alcohol (7 calories/gram)
To learn the number of calories you, at your present height and weight need to maintain your current rate Mayo Clinic Website Calorie Calculator.
To learn more about Calories and nutrition List of calories per gram and nutrient list. All of these tools are more difficult to use when sitting on the couch watching the commercials for KFC/Burger King/Rotten Ronnies, etc.
Thinking is required to eat healthy and save medical costs; more Americans (home of fast food) and others in nations with growing obesity rates need to think more and cease to mindlessly eat for "entertainment."
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Aug 27, 2009 6:51 AM
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One of the "questioners" in the audience was a doctor, whose name I do not recall, who announced to one and all that he had "Republican" suggestions to improve health care: first, tort "reform," i.e. capping damages and setting time limits on medical malpractice lawsuits, a stupid idea Congressman Boswell has fought in the House; secondly, personal responsibility.
Let me tell you, this guy pissed me off. First of all any doctor who says he is for tort "reform" is signaling, he is an incompetent. The state of California tried tort reform twenty odd years ago and premiums for physician's medical malpractice insurance still went up, it doesn't work. But the real problem is that the medical profession does a piss poor job of weeding out quacks. If doctors policed themselves rather than acting like the Mafia taking an oath of silence every time one of their fraternity screws up, tort reform might not even be an issue.
But what this priggish physician said that really p.o.'d me was his personal responsibility pitch. I wanted to ask him if he knew what stocks were in his portfolio. If he has a diversified stock portfolio I'm sure he has holdings in Yum Brands, Inc, Pepsico, or Burger King. I know, much to my chagrin, that my little IRA holds stock in some of those outfits.
And here's the thing that sticks in my craw, at the very time in our history when the medical profession is hooting and hollering about a obesity epidemic the fast food choke-and-puke chains are in a nuclear-arms race to turn out bigger and better and more deadly heart attack pills!
People used to joke that doctors must own stock in fast food restaurants to drum up business. Well, you know what, for some physicians I don't think that's all that far from the truth.
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Posted by: Matamillion on Aug 27, 2009 6:52 AM
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Libs are the parents - thinking twice, not self destructive in nature, concerned, actually compassionate (instead of faking for the cameras), open to suggestion, not liable to commit acts of self destruction on a dare and constantly with the "tisk, tisk" because generally libs have to clean up after the cons who have recently puked fast food all over the new sofa.
Cons - Are the churlish, narcissistic, self serving, lying, thieving, pugnacious, probably on probation, beater wearing thugs that buy this stuff just to "show you" that Americans deserve every balloon catheterization we get! They are probably NOT your kid, but your mate's spawn from a previous marriage.
This is the steady diet of Homer Simpson smothered in sweet creamery butter!
The fact that India originally denied KFC a license on the grounds that their food was not nutritious enough for the public market should speak volumes! Not good enough for STARVING PEOPLE!
Dude! WTF?
See SuperSize Me. Read Fast Food Nation. Seriously!
God will not protect you from this "food". This is your FREE WILL climbing up your ass and building a house. It may be yummy now, but when you're pulling your oxygen mask off the kiss your grand kids...
I don't much care if cons are trying to prove a point by killing themselves, knock yourselves out, but they're bringing us all down and I resent having to pay for it. The cost of health care around super sizing is going to bankrupt this nation far sooner than the drug war and once again we sit here, thumbs up ass, going BLAH BLAH BLAH.
If you REALLY want to stop it, TAX IT.
One dollar for every 10¢ of supersizing.
Consider the REAL cost of producing a single poisonous cigarette and you get the picture. The profit far outweighs the cost even taxed to a fair-thee-well, but the net is a real killer and we use that tax to help dig smoking morons out of an early grave. And we keep cigarettes from children for what exactly?
I suppose taxing that corporate bile is considered liberal meddling in your right to shove any garbage in your mouth you like. After all, this is America, Land of the Home Free of the Brave!
So why can't you buy heroin from a vending machine?
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Posted by: swooshy on Aug 27, 2009 6:56 AM
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Europe has restrictions on fats and additives in food that US co's had to comply with. Here?? Here's what would happen...
I can hear the screams already. Taxing or regulating us is un American!!! To the ramparts!! Get the lobbyists!!
Why Can't we ruthlessly exploit the American People? It's the American Way!! So what if everyone else will pay for this in higher healthcare costs? WE are making money!! We help our friends in Big Agriculture and Big Medicine stay in business!! IT'S A WIN WIN WIN ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK!!
And where is that lapdog of a policitian to make this idea of regulating/taxing us GO AWAY???
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Posted by: mjglow on Aug 27, 2009 6:57 AM
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Same for every item on this list. Eating them every day, however, is a whole different ball game. There is a reason the recommended daily intake of calories is at 2000 (or 2500 for men).
For all you 'government wants to take over our lives' freaks out there...notice how I said recommended.
To the Vegans/vegetarians: The main culprit here is not meat. You can eat all the meat you want and still be healthy.
The main culprit is 'processed foods'. How many preservatives and other harmful additives are in those things?!
To everybody: And come on...Oreo pizza!?! That's just really unnecessary. Is it the same kind of crust as regular pizza?! eeeeeew.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Aug 27, 2009 7:15 AM
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There is no safe level for these artery-cloggers! They will kill you and there is no requirement that their use be disclosed to customers.
Read labels: "partially hydrogenated" soybean or other oils are altered in the laboratory and as deadly as an extra hundred pounds - or more so. Unfortunately, these deadly concoctions are exempt from any labeling requirement in restaurants - so virtually all restaurants use them in pastries and frying.
Beware!
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Aug 27, 2009 7:17 AM
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Personally I think they've improved in recent months. They no longer, for instance, conflate any and all meat-eating with factory meat production = destroying the environment, etc. etc. etc. (followed by the usual snarky comments from both sides). I've lamented that attitude in the past, which seemed to me an attitude of "Let's all eat cardboard and shit rainbows." So I guess I should say now that I've appreciated the more complex tone lately.
On the other hand, it's a little depressing to think that these are the "most popular" articles. Who eats at fast food chains? Poor people. Who is obese nowadays? Poor people. These articles can take on an attitude of superiority and class warfare very easily, if the authors aren't careful.
It's one thing to point out a problem, however entertainingly, but it's better to propose a way out.
When you focus on the fast food chains... what do you propose to DO constructively about them? Michael Pollan has pointed out for example how government policy currently tends to promote the growth of fast food chains in poor neighborhoods: it's easy to get a government loan to open a fast food franchise in a slum, because that has a good track record of success. But there are huge swaths in urban areas with no supermarket (even a bad one) for miles around.
And what has been the fate of Los Angeles' efforts to limit fast food in poor neighborhoods? I've read a bit about that from time to time, but don't know how that has turned out.
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Posted by: hagwind on Aug 27, 2009 9:22 AM
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I want to know about the politics and economics behind what ends up on the supermarket shelves. I want to know about the politics, economics, and psychology that prompts many of us to use food as a tranquilizer. I'll read all the Michael Pollan (etc.) articles you dish out. But too many of these articles have a subtext that I don't like: "Eieeuw, icky gross! Fat people! Sugar! Fat! Bad, bad, bad!"
If you're going to eat a slice of oreo pizza, or double cheese sausage and pepperoni pizza, do it because you enjoy it. Chances are good that you won't get sick, and you won't overindulge. If you eat it because you're feeling depressed and hopeless, you might eat the whole damn pizza -- but you know what? It's not the pizza's fault.
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Posted by: pg on Aug 27, 2009 9:41 AM
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My weight has dropped from 200 to 189 and my blood pressure was 119/78 last night vs. 140/100 before I started in 13 days!
That said those "sick" photos you showed looked pretty tasty!
The last thing I ate before I started my new way of eating was a Carls Jr. $6.00 burger and it was great!
It would be more productive to teach people healthier ways eat and why rather than hack on and demonize the fast food industry.
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Posted by: Ahimsa on Aug 27, 2009 9:56 AM
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It is a cultural problem, not a food quality problem, principally. In a nation with a relatively new and undeveloped culinary culture, where food is consumed on the go, lacking ritual and social contact, where food is understood as an efficiency and not as a social bind, the value of bodily and social nourishment is not considered.
We all enjoy a piece of unhealthy, greasy something every once in a while, all over the world. America's problem will not be solved attacking the providers of crappy edibles. The problem is much deeper than that.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Aug 27, 2009 10:28 AM
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shouldn't breakfast BE about 1/4 of your daily caloric intake??
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 27, 2009 10:45 AM
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The information's out there, folks. Fast food seems to be an express train to an early grave. Preservatives and other chemicals in processed foods can be a danger if ingested in enough quantity, and for some, ANY quantity is dangerous. Aspartame is pure poison to me, for instance.
I never have frequented fast food joints. There's something inately repulsive about them, besides, my wife is a great cook, and I'm not too shabby, myself.
There's also the cost factor. It's almost certainly cheaper to use the supermarket cupons to buy fresh stuff, prepare your own meals, and freeze the leftovers for later.
As for the crap mentioned here: even if I was hungry, I'd shudder at the thought of eating it, besides, I just had some pickled octopus for breakfast. Yum!
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Posted by: On the Border on Aug 27, 2009 10:48 AM
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That's a real bummer, because I'd never heard of it before reading this article and it both looks and sounds pretty darn good.
I guess that's the downside to showing all this addictive food in an article of this sort. It is a superb commercial for half the products listed (for those that enjoy their fast-food decadence on occasion), while those that are just as horrified as the author is at the idea of a "1200-calorie greaseburger" were already there before they started reading.
Let's just call it an exercise in counterproductivity.
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Posted by: Babushka on Aug 27, 2009 11:44 AM
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A long time ago I tried to eat these foods and it took me a while to figure out why I felt stressed and unhealthy all of the time. Add mass consumption of coffee that sits in the maker all day to this list, as well. When I finally figured out that "you are what you eat", I discovered fresh and organic and really delicious. America is addicted to the mouth feel (this is an industry term, i.e., the processed food industry)of glop-- such as the Big Mac; grease, as in those "greasy little pepperonis" on pizza and "bloomin' onions" at Outback; sodium--you don't have to shake it on any more--it's already there; and high fructose corn sweetener as sugar--be sure to wash it all down with a 2 liter Pepsi. People who eat this crap have presumably never tasted a truffle or goat cheese or real sweet creamery butter or a grass-finished Nebraska steak. No wonder people are dying like flies from colon cancer and high blood pressure!
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Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on Aug 27, 2009 12:26 PM
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Lack of excercise, excessive sedentary activities and lotsa scrumdiddlyumpshus crap snackfoods.
We don't really question what we scarf down.
Look at those 7/11 microwave burritos.
Who the hell ever thought that this would pass for something your digestive system would ever be able to break down? ..sure beats the hell out of me.
Until the last century most diets were traditional and largely evolved from local agriculture and spices and livestock. In the last half century our eating habits have become not only extremely broad switching from different traditions (chinese for lunch and italian for dinner) but then comes the fast food concoctions that defy content description.
Have our digestive tracts ever truly evolved with our diets?
Americans having more that 'melting pot' culinary appetite we have more choices than most places. Some european countries have lots of overweight people... heavy meat and potato meals knocked back with large glasses of the local brew. But ours is from ingesting whatever satisfies the munchies.
Well, the Krispy Kreme sundae looks utterly suicidal (and I wouldn't having one right now)
The cheeseburger fries... could only be the product of researchers who smoke dope.
(Reminds of my favorite artery clogging chilicheese fries... gawd it's been years!)
The Monster Burger beckons .....must.....fight... urge!
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Posted by: Drclaw on Aug 27, 2009 12:45 PM
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Caveat eator!
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Posted by: rational_moderate on Aug 27, 2009 1:47 PM
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It seems that many types of articles trigger a predictable response of "Why does Alternet print these kind of articles?", where the commenter has seem clearly defined, but narrow definition of what they think the purpose of Alternet is. Maybe this line of reasononing would have merit if this medium was a very limited resource like broadcast hours on a television station or even space on a printed newspaper. The reality is, however, that the marginal cost of having more articles posted to a web server and adding links is quite small. So, I say, the more the merrier, as long as it fits the loose guidelines of progressive free speech (albeit hard to define exactly). One of the things I love about Alternet is it's kind of wild and wooly expression of ideas from various viewpoints.
Taxation:
For those that want to tax junk food, get a grip! I'm in favor of sin taxes. But nutrition is complex and controversial enough that it would be hard to draw the line between healthy and unhealthy foods. I think what many states have now where they tax candy and soda is probably a good place to leave it.
Like cigarettes:
Enough with these ridiculous analogies to cigarettes. Not only can junk food be consumed on rare occasion with negligible impact (unlike cigarettes that coat lungs with crap), but I'm not worried about involuntary second hand consumption of junk food.
Personally, I have a diet which some might consider puritanical: I cook almost all my meals at home from basic healthy ingredients. I essentially never eat junk food. However I'm not a vegetarian, because I believe a moderate consumption of some animal products (from good sources) can enrich a diet.
I'm a nutrition graduate student, so I've studied more than the average person about nutrition and think about it (including from a public health perspective) more than the average person.
I'm really concerned about the terrible lifestyle choices of many Americans, but I believe in personal freedoms where they don't infringe on other people (which again disqualifies smoking "rights").
Public Health Care:
Where it gets complicated, however, is when taxpayer money gets used to pay for healthcare. Then all of a sudden, the cost of one's bad lifestyle choices is a burden on other people. But even in this case, it's a scary idea to start limiting people's freedoms for that reason.
The advantages of a public health plan (such as single payer) are great enough that I think I could live with paying for other people's bad habits.
But it's enough of an issue that I'd also like more free-market healthcare reform ideas to be studied and discussed (and no this has nothing to do with what the right-wing echo chamber is bellowing about).
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Posted by: zigy on Aug 27, 2009 3:04 PM
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I've got to admit, that giant burger above the title looked darn good!
When all is said and done, too much is made of what we eat. When the journalist (probably as expert as anyone on the subject of food) Michael Pollan was asked to recommend what to eat, he basically responded: Eat food; not too much; mostly plants, not too much meat. I would add to Pollin's advice to remember our Paleolithic ancestors. The agricultural revolution occurred a mere 10-12 thousand years ago; this is when the staple grains like rice and wheat became a large part of our diet. Prior to this event humans and pre-humans ate mostly vegetables, fruits, nuts, and some very lean meat. It is by and large common sense to get as much of the refined carbohydrates out of one's diet as possible. They are not a normal part of a human diet and, while they may not be doing rampant harm, over a life time they may contribute to certain morbidities such as heart disease and high blood pressure. Other "unnatural" things such as high fructose corn syrup, aspertame (thanks Don Rumsfield) are probably best strictly limited in consumption until a better understanding of their effects on our bodies are understood. Again, the article was mediocre (albeit at times very funny; e.g. the burger-fries concoction!) but the comments are great.
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Aug 27, 2009 3:04 PM
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Not because it repulsed me, but because I'm scarfing on a pepperoni pizza with a 7Up and some jalepeno-cheddar dipping sauce!
So Good!
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Posted by: james108 on Aug 27, 2009 3:30 PM
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I don't know how this relates to demonizing fast food in general, but showing the worst possible fast food to eat doesn't change my choice to pick out something I actually like. I agree that most of these things would be poor choices, and all of them very poor choices to overdo...
Most places offer salads these days too, and everybody should know by now that Ranch is packed with fat and sugar if that's what they're avoiding. I'm for taxing people more that make risky choices, but I won't demonize someone who overeats more than somebody who skis or does risky sports. Both have their risks and costs in health dollars we all share the burden of.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 27, 2009 4:45 PM
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By comparison, a slice of commercially prepared pumpkin pie with whipped cream on top has 393 calories and 126 calories of fat.
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http://tinyurl.com/ksvkkk
George, 15, saw this and said, "This is a sign that our civilization is ending."
Pizza Hut Chocolate Dunkers! Paying money to hurt your own body! Masochism! Insanity!
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Oops.
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Posted by: rwaldo on Aug 27, 2009 7:40 PM
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And just to play devil's advocate for the megacorp fast food joints, what about small restaurants that serves "challenge" portions - finish our two-pound bacon cheeseburger and get a free t-shirt and your photo on the wall! That's not evil, that's local color!
Mmmmmmm... two-pound bacon cheeseburger....
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Aug 28, 2009 7:56 AM
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If you want to eat cheeseburger fries, oreo cookie pizza's and donut sundae's by all means be my guest. It's not my heart you're killing.
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Posted by: MJ Fields on Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM
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Let me repeat that.
PASTA served in a bowl made of BREAD! I wouldn't know where to begin calculating the calories and carbs. Dr. Atkins has got to be spinning in his grave.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Aug 28, 2009 4:58 PM
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I am all for government WARNING us about the evils of the food industry, but it is still your decision to make for yourself. Stay out of my life otherwise. Truth in labeling, yes, but really, do you think the people that would even venture close the foods mentioned in this article would actually want of be able to read the label?
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Posted by: raiders757 on Aug 28, 2009 6:18 PM
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Where is the calorie information coming from? I've read that it can be as low as 600, and not what was reported here. Of course, I am more willing to buy into the higher number. We're talking about two fried chicken breasts with cheese and bacon. There is no way it can only be 600 calories.
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Posted by: PJAW on Aug 29, 2009 5:22 AM
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Posted by: Carol Burns on Aug 29, 2009 6:32 AM
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Posted by: Fempatriot on Aug 29, 2009 11:23 PM
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 30, 2009 2:28 AM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 30, 2009 8:23 AM
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we roared in laughter when we caught sight of a commercial from Sonic:
DEEP-FRIED MAC & CHEESE BALLS
we couldn't decide if it was a sign of stupidity or final proof of the contempt & loathing American business has for its customers...
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Posted by: New American on Aug 30, 2009 3:18 PM
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Posted by: bobdown on Aug 30, 2009 9:18 PM
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Posted by: Monkeychop on Sep 1, 2009 9:54 AM
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It's about moderation. You don't have to clean your plate. Listen to your body. When you're full -- stop eating.
Gotta go, need to do a Krispy Creme run....
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Posted by: dumdumboy on Sep 1, 2009 1:23 PM
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There seems to be an anology between this type of "food" and Republican policies. In both, nobody who loves 'em seems to care about the consequences of theur action, or inaction, as the case may be. One would think that, post-Katrina, everyone would understand that it simply isn't true that government isn't the solution but, rather, the problem. But people are still enthralled by the idea that their lives will be just as easy and carefree by not paying taxes,as well as by deregulation even as their roads crumble, their bridges collapse and their houses are foreclosed.
Mebbe the next article like this will address how clogging the arteries, cutting-down blood circulation, affects the brain's functions.
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Posted by: anscfoster on Sep 2, 2009 11:41 AM
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GROW UP.
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Posted by: j_cha on Sep 8, 2009 1:44 PM
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I don't think it ever will be.
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Posted by: 2snak on Sep 8, 2009 11:08 PM
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Be safe, be anorexic. People sympathize with you if your anorexic - no one hates the anorexic but a whole lot of you ethically superior types here sure do hate fat people.
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Posted by: teon6 on Sep 19, 2009 2:39 PM
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Let me tell you, this guy pissed me off. First of all any doctor who says he is for tort "reform" is signaling, he is an incompetent. The state of California tried tort reform twenty odd years ago and premiums for physician's medical malpractice insurance still went up, it doesn't work. But the real problem is that the medical profession does a piss poor job of weeding out quacks. If doctors policed mobile phones mobile manuals rf remote control four channel rf remote control melrose place s01e03 grand melrose place s01e03 subs seropol5 themselves rather than acting like the Mafia taking an oath of silence every time one of their fraternity screws up, tort reform might not even be an issue.
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