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Hightower: Starbucks' Bizarre Branding Strategy -- Hide Its Name, Pretend to Be 'Authentic' Local Coffee Shop
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There's a joke going around that Starbucks has so saturated the coffee market that it is now opening new Starbucks stores inside its old stores.
Well, not quite -- not yet -- but the corporate coffee colossus is presently trying to expand through an equally bizarre marketing strategy: By disowning its globally ubiquitous brand name.
With Starbucks' sales declining as more and more caffeine consumers reject the cookie-cutter corporate climate that the chain epitomizes, it is launching a new line of stores that disappears its name. There's no corporate signage on the new buildings, no logo stamped on every product inside and none of the generically bland ambience that makes one Starbucks just like the other 16,000 in the chain.
Instead, the new shops strive to be the anti-Starbucks, dressing up as funky neighborhood coffeehouses with a cool, local vibe. A sort of rustic, thrift-shop decor screens the corporate presence, and such additions as live music and poetry readings are meant to lend an aura of down-home authenticity.
The first of these faux local outlets opened last month in Seattle under the nom de commerce of "15th Avenue Coffee and Tea," taken from the name of its neighborhood. Future stores are also expected to appropriate the names of their neighborhoods all across the country in a corporate effort to convey a sense of belonging. The idea, as explained by the chain's senior vice president of global design, is to give each of the coffeehouses "a community personality."
What we have here, of course, is a willful attempt to commit consumer fraud. But it's such a goofy fraud that it's doomed to be an embarrassing failure.
Start with the fact that genuine neighborhood coffee shops genuinely have a "community personality." It's not something that can be faked or "given," much less replicated into a chain of 16,000 outlets. Indeed, one of the things you'll notice about a real community place is that its organizational chart rarely includes a "senior vice president of global design."
Corporate chains can't do "community," can't do "funky," can't do "cool," can't do "independent" -- because they're not. They're not any of those things.
In fact, Starbucks revealed just how inherently un-cool it is when it first began developing this absurdist chain of manufactured "authenticity." Since its entire corporate culture is rooted in the numbing homogeneity that one writer has dubbed "Generica," the company had no experience or expertise in authenticity. So, top executives surreptitiously deployed a gaggle of market researchers to snoop around a couple of popular local coffee houses in Seattle. Their mission: to find out what constitutes "community personality" -- and steal one.
Starbucks' snoops were not exactly subtle. Rather than entering the small shops inconspicuously, they would arrive as a group, crowding out real customers as they poked around and jotted notes in folders labeled, "Observation." Having gotten what they wanted, the whole gaggle would then depart, without even having had the courtesy of buying a single cup of coffee!
Starbucks is what it is. It can hide its name from us (at least for a while), but it can't hide its essence. The corporate nature will always out.
Instead of masquerading as a loveable independent, a more productive (and more honest) marketing strategy for Starbucks might have revealed itself at one of its branches near my home in Austin, Texas. This store sets side-by-side with that of another national chain, and the signs on the adjacent buildings make the two corporations appear to be functioning in symbiotic partnership: "Starbucks Coffee-Jiffy Lube."
I think there's a certain poetic integrity somewhere in that juxtaposition. Maybe the message is that either place will do a job on you.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 13, 2009 12:59 AM
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C'mon Jim you can do better than this ... Exxon is right in your neck of the woods.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 13, 2009 1:29 AM
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All that's left is to build a bunch of "Working Joe" droids to stand in front of each location every morning, sip coffee, BS about sports, and bitch about liberals and taxes.
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Posted by: ericthefool on Aug 13, 2009 1:38 AM
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I support local shops, local owners, and local businesses. Now that's COMMUNITY!
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Posted by: lkonstan on Aug 13, 2009 1:48 AM
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What, the "local" coffee store, privately owned and managed, plugged into the global supply chain, is so much better than Starbucks? We love "local" capitalists! We boo and hiss at multinational capitalists. Why exactly?
Starbucks can do "quirky" or "funky" or "authentic" or whatever because these are merely stylistic markers of distinction, ways people make themselves feel cool, and have absolutely zero political relevance.
I have great respect for people who don't care where they get their coffee, but are working their asses off trying to stop specific destructive corporate practices, trying to set up anticapitalist alternative institutions in the present, even trying to reform existing systems within narrowly mainstream constraints.
I have no respect for hipsters who think that by getting their coffee from "local" coffee shops -- and by spending their time worrying about whether their "local" shop is a clandestine Starbucks -- they're doing anything remotely political or relevant.
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Posted by: sthomper on Aug 13, 2009 2:01 AM
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but just who makes the long lines at starbucks in morning? foreigners? anti-community types?
the local coffee shops i have been to often get a small sliver of the community. and the coffee cost about the same which i assume was the fairtrading beans.
i just look for cheaper coffee altogether with free internet. starbucks can call itself what they want. they have been dishonest with me about serving decaf. i have started avoiding them altogether - not because they are a corporation though.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 13, 2009 2:12 AM
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Posted by: victoriahokulani on Aug 13, 2009 3:01 AM
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Aug 13, 2009 3:09 AM
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Posted by: Celtic Tiger on Aug 13, 2009 3:20 AM
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Either way, you can do better. Take on some other "corporation".
Starbuck's will or will not fail. Corporations are not all evil, and just because a business is small or "local", doesn't make it "authentic"...whatever that might be...or less exploitive of workers, better quality, etc.
Just check out your local insurance agent, broker or "financial advisor".
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Posted by: marxalot on Aug 13, 2009 3:30 AM
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Aug 13, 2009 4:21 AM
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2. Society's addiction to fast food and its conditioned behavior of giving up taking even a few minutes to whip one's own healthy breakfast every morning. While I don't buy into the Republican version of "personal responsibility", society will have to put its foot down and ask themselves what the hell they're gaining by wasting more petro dollars traveling to a lousy coffee store to buy chemical laden trash in a cup for $5 plus health dollars.
I wouldn't mind having a coffee with someone on a special occasion such as a business meeting or even going out on a date but when I see almost everyone holding an expensive cup of coffee on their way to work, and yes some of them have their stomachs bulging, I have to shake my head in shame feeling sorry that we're not only the victims of unfettered disaster capitalism but also society's conditioned habits of grabbing those silly dilly quickies. No thanks for coffee or fast food. I'll get through another long day just fine without it. :)
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Posted by: GPFrank on Aug 13, 2009 4:26 AM
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changed the words of folks songs a little so they could sing them in church.
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Posted by: thornwolf on Aug 13, 2009 4:46 AM
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Starbucks is all about Starbucks and not at all about coffee. The question is, do you want a Starbucks experience or a good cup of coffee?
Now Starbucks wants to pose as a coffee shop and not a Starbucks! This self-contradictory campaign will kill off the brand. R.I.P.
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Posted by: Lilly on Aug 13, 2009 6:08 AM
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Posted by: Terrytom on Aug 13, 2009 6:09 AM
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He said it was a good idea to have a person on staff whose sole job was to criticize ideas. Townsend said that the only way that person could be fired was for being too polite.
At the time there were cut-rate rent a car companies cutting into their business. So Townsend proposed that they Avis start a cut-rate company to compete with those companies and actually against their own premium line. He said the man shot down the idea at once saying, “I don’t know what you call it but we Polacks call that pissing in the soup.”
Somebody should send a copy of the book to Starbucks CEO.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 13, 2009 6:43 AM
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Poor Starbucks, I hardly knew ye*.
That's more than most folks in the world live on...even in the countries that have lent us money to support Bush(billions to defense contractors) and Obama (TRILLIONS to his crony bankers) largesses.
*never saw the point in waiting on expensive coffee
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 13, 2009 6:48 AM
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Maybe it's because I am 55 and turning into an old fuddy-duddy, but being a farmer and used to economizing, I just can't understand this Starbucks thing. My parents always taught me to be careful with how I spent my money, and they would have been apalled at buying something like the "gourmet" coffee of Starbucks.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Aug 13, 2009 7:52 AM
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But Starbucks has a good reputation for treating staff well. I've never had a job there - yet! - but many of us hourly wage slaves hear things like this and take notice. Famously, Starbucks has (or had?) a good health insurance plan that even part-timers can sign up for at low cost. Is this incorrect? Has it changed? How come it's never mentioned in articles like these? Seems pertinent, especially considering current events?
Although I rarely go there, and agree this "local" camouflage campaign sounds silly, I never quite understand all the mysterious animosity toward Starbucks. Didn't AlterNet have an article about this just a week or so ago? Why pick on Starbucks, what exactly is soooo bad about them as opposed to other chains? I don't get it.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Aug 13, 2009 8:09 AM
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Not to mention fewer people going to work (unemployment) means fewer coffee-sipping commuters.
Starbucks has to play Stealth Monopoly in order to kill any local competition. If this strategy works, look for Walmart to follow suit.
The Great American Copy Cat Game.
Who's Next?
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Posted by: Natural Grocers on Aug 13, 2009 8:15 AM
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Ah, wouldn't that have been a more worthwhile subject for your condiserable mental energies right now, rather than Starbucks acknowledging the limits of their comfortable homogeneity....
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Posted by: mnstra on Aug 13, 2009 9:49 AM
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I HOPE THEY KEEP THE BRAND ALIVE.
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Posted by: americansheep on Aug 13, 2009 10:25 AM
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Posted by: mtc on Aug 13, 2009 10:34 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 13, 2009 10:48 AM
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I also love the fresh-ground coffee I make at home.
Starbucks is a handy place when I'm away from the house and want some coffee. So is Mc Donald's or a gas station with a food store.
If Strabucks gets too big, it'll collapse under its own weight. That's one of the few true things about market forces.
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Posted by: Nexus on Aug 13, 2009 11:49 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Aug 13, 2009 1:39 PM
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If the coffee sucks...
It's Starbucks!
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Posted by: Beck on Aug 13, 2009 2:24 PM
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Posted by: shaman0979 on Aug 13, 2009 3:36 PM
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Tip: Nobody is stared for your particular business. Go buy a bag of Folgers and brew it at home.
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Posted by: Michael_S_Smith on Aug 13, 2009 5:03 PM
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Aug 13, 2009 6:01 PM
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The difference from all you suckers is I haven't been buying the Fear of Germs trip which was foisted on the world by the ultimate corporation, the Propa & Ganda Co. (founded 1847, 50 years before famous and beloved Dr. Goebbels was born in the beauty of the lilies across the sea). I don't care if there's saliva fresh from a Pakistani just off the plane. It is a matter of immune factors (fresh air and exercise). Besides, if you just drink a finger now and then, you won't overdose on the tasty creamers, sugar etc.
Bonus news: if you find more french fries than is healthy to eat, sit in the park and train pigeons to peck them right from the hand. The key is: hold two french fries at a time, gripping each very tightly so the bird can get only a tiny amount with each peck. That way you can SPY ON THE BIRDS and watch a lot of peckage without harming the health of any one pigeon excessively. And take a sip of free $2 coffee every minute or two.
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Posted by: Brianwrit on Aug 26, 2009 11:07 AM
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Hightower's piece is the first part of a more complete observation of how message control is changing perceived reality... a practice that is now as widespread as from embedding troops to manufacturing protests to greening car companies.
Now I'm waiting fro Hightower to write part two!
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Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 13, 2009 12:59 AM
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C'mon Jim you can do better than this ... Exxon is right in your neck of the woods.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 13, 2009 1:29 AM
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All that's left is to build a bunch of "Working Joe" droids to stand in front of each location every morning, sip coffee, BS about sports, and bitch about liberals and taxes.
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Posted by: ericthefool on Aug 13, 2009 1:38 AM
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I support local shops, local owners, and local businesses. Now that's COMMUNITY!
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Posted by: lkonstan on Aug 13, 2009 1:48 AM
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What, the "local" coffee store, privately owned and managed, plugged into the global supply chain, is so much better than Starbucks? We love "local" capitalists! We boo and hiss at multinational capitalists. Why exactly?
Starbucks can do "quirky" or "funky" or "authentic" or whatever because these are merely stylistic markers of distinction, ways people make themselves feel cool, and have absolutely zero political relevance.
I have great respect for people who don't care where they get their coffee, but are working their asses off trying to stop specific destructive corporate practices, trying to set up anticapitalist alternative institutions in the present, even trying to reform existing systems within narrowly mainstream constraints.
I have no respect for hipsters who think that by getting their coffee from "local" coffee shops -- and by spending their time worrying about whether their "local" shop is a clandestine Starbucks -- they're doing anything remotely political or relevant.
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Posted by: sthomper on Aug 13, 2009 2:01 AM
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but just who makes the long lines at starbucks in morning? foreigners? anti-community types?
the local coffee shops i have been to often get a small sliver of the community. and the coffee cost about the same which i assume was the fairtrading beans.
i just look for cheaper coffee altogether with free internet. starbucks can call itself what they want. they have been dishonest with me about serving decaf. i have started avoiding them altogether - not because they are a corporation though.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 13, 2009 2:12 AM
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Posted by: victoriahokulani on Aug 13, 2009 3:01 AM
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Posted by: Celtic Tiger on Aug 13, 2009 3:20 AM
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Either way, you can do better. Take on some other "corporation".
Starbuck's will or will not fail. Corporations are not all evil, and just because a business is small or "local", doesn't make it "authentic"...whatever that might be...or less exploitive of workers, better quality, etc.
Just check out your local insurance agent, broker or "financial advisor".
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Aug 13, 2009 4:21 AM
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2. Society's addiction to fast food and its conditioned behavior of giving up taking even a few minutes to whip one's own healthy breakfast every morning. While I don't buy into the Republican version of "personal responsibility", society will have to put its foot down and ask themselves what the hell they're gaining by wasting more petro dollars traveling to a lousy coffee store to buy chemical laden trash in a cup for $5 plus health dollars.
I wouldn't mind having a coffee with someone on a special occasion such as a business meeting or even going out on a date but when I see almost everyone holding an expensive cup of coffee on their way to work, and yes some of them have their stomachs bulging, I have to shake my head in shame feeling sorry that we're not only the victims of unfettered disaster capitalism but also society's conditioned habits of grabbing those silly dilly quickies. No thanks for coffee or fast food. I'll get through another long day just fine without it. :)
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Posted by: GPFrank on Aug 13, 2009 4:26 AM
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changed the words of folks songs a little so they could sing them in church.
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Posted by: thornwolf on Aug 13, 2009 4:46 AM
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Starbucks is all about Starbucks and not at all about coffee. The question is, do you want a Starbucks experience or a good cup of coffee?
Now Starbucks wants to pose as a coffee shop and not a Starbucks! This self-contradictory campaign will kill off the brand. R.I.P.
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Posted by: Lilly on Aug 13, 2009 6:08 AM
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Posted by: Terrytom on Aug 13, 2009 6:09 AM
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He said it was a good idea to have a person on staff whose sole job was to criticize ideas. Townsend said that the only way that person could be fired was for being too polite.
At the time there were cut-rate rent a car companies cutting into their business. So Townsend proposed that they Avis start a cut-rate company to compete with those companies and actually against their own premium line. He said the man shot down the idea at once saying, “I don’t know what you call it but we Polacks call that pissing in the soup.”
Somebody should send a copy of the book to Starbucks CEO.
Terrytom
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 13, 2009 6:43 AM
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Poor Starbucks, I hardly knew ye*.
That's more than most folks in the world live on...even in the countries that have lent us money to support Bush(billions to defense contractors) and Obama (TRILLIONS to his crony bankers) largesses.
*never saw the point in waiting on expensive coffee
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 13, 2009 6:48 AM
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Maybe it's because I am 55 and turning into an old fuddy-duddy, but being a farmer and used to economizing, I just can't understand this Starbucks thing. My parents always taught me to be careful with how I spent my money, and they would have been apalled at buying something like the "gourmet" coffee of Starbucks.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Aug 13, 2009 7:52 AM
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But Starbucks has a good reputation for treating staff well. I've never had a job there - yet! - but many of us hourly wage slaves hear things like this and take notice. Famously, Starbucks has (or had?) a good health insurance plan that even part-timers can sign up for at low cost. Is this incorrect? Has it changed? How come it's never mentioned in articles like these? Seems pertinent, especially considering current events?
Although I rarely go there, and agree this "local" camouflage campaign sounds silly, I never quite understand all the mysterious animosity toward Starbucks. Didn't AlterNet have an article about this just a week or so ago? Why pick on Starbucks, what exactly is soooo bad about them as opposed to other chains? I don't get it.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Aug 13, 2009 8:09 AM
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Not to mention fewer people going to work (unemployment) means fewer coffee-sipping commuters.
Starbucks has to play Stealth Monopoly in order to kill any local competition. If this strategy works, look for Walmart to follow suit.
The Great American Copy Cat Game.
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Posted by: Natural Grocers on Aug 13, 2009 8:15 AM
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Ah, wouldn't that have been a more worthwhile subject for your condiserable mental energies right now, rather than Starbucks acknowledging the limits of their comfortable homogeneity....
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Posted by: mnstra on Aug 13, 2009 9:49 AM
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I HOPE THEY KEEP THE BRAND ALIVE.
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Posted by: americansheep on Aug 13, 2009 10:25 AM
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Posted by: mtc on Aug 13, 2009 10:34 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 13, 2009 10:48 AM
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I also love the fresh-ground coffee I make at home.
Starbucks is a handy place when I'm away from the house and want some coffee. So is Mc Donald's or a gas station with a food store.
If Strabucks gets too big, it'll collapse under its own weight. That's one of the few true things about market forces.
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Posted by: Nexus on Aug 13, 2009 11:49 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Aug 13, 2009 1:39 PM
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If the coffee sucks...
It's Starbucks!
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Posted by: Beck on Aug 13, 2009 2:24 PM
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Posted by: shaman0979 on Aug 13, 2009 3:36 PM
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Tip: Nobody is stared for your particular business. Go buy a bag of Folgers and brew it at home.
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Posted by: Michael_S_Smith on Aug 13, 2009 5:03 PM
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Aug 13, 2009 6:01 PM
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The difference from all you suckers is I haven't been buying the Fear of Germs trip which was foisted on the world by the ultimate corporation, the Propa & Ganda Co. (founded 1847, 50 years before famous and beloved Dr. Goebbels was born in the beauty of the lilies across the sea). I don't care if there's saliva fresh from a Pakistani just off the plane. It is a matter of immune factors (fresh air and exercise). Besides, if you just drink a finger now and then, you won't overdose on the tasty creamers, sugar etc.
Bonus news: if you find more french fries than is healthy to eat, sit in the park and train pigeons to peck them right from the hand. The key is: hold two french fries at a time, gripping each very tightly so the bird can get only a tiny amount with each peck. That way you can SPY ON THE BIRDS and watch a lot of peckage without harming the health of any one pigeon excessively. And take a sip of free $2 coffee every minute or two.
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Posted by: osd on Aug 13, 2009 7:06 PM
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Posted by: Ted Voth Jr on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 PM
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Posted by: regimeoftruth on Aug 15, 2009 8:42 AM
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Posted by: Hankbrilliant on Aug 15, 2009 11:39 PM
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Aug 16, 2009 8:07 PM
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Posted by: boay on Aug 18, 2009 6:47 PM
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Posted by: Brianwrit on Aug 26, 2009 11:07 AM
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Hightower's piece is the first part of a more complete observation of how message control is changing perceived reality... a practice that is now as widespread as from embedding troops to manufacturing protests to greening car companies.
Now I'm waiting fro Hightower to write part two!
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