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Hundreds of Thousands of Workers Will Lose Unemployment Benefits Soon
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WASHINGTON -- When a virulent disease is ravaging you like a cancer, you don't want a cacophony of voices promoting different or contradictory cures. Yet that is what we're starting to hear about the economic crisis, not only from a politically divided -- and pretty scared -- capital, but from within the Obama administration itself. In just the past few days, Vice President Joe Biden has said the young administration misread the depth of the recession -- an honest account, since most private economists did as well. Laura Tyson, an outside economic adviser to the White House, said it's wise to start preparing another stimulus package.
Then President Barack Obama made everything perfectly muddy when he said in an ABC News interview that the seriousness of the downturn and how to attack it is "something we wrestle with constantly." Yet in the next breath, he expressed concern about the burgeoning deficit. But if anyone's looking for some clear voices, there are 650,000 of them just waiting to be heard. That is roughly the number of long-term unemployed who will begin losing their jobless benefits in September, according to the National Employment Law Project. Remember, the recession didn't start last fall when the government bailed out AIG and the financial system froze. It began in December 2007 -- and 6.5 million jobs have been lost since then. Depending on which state and the sort of triggers that apply to benefits, hundreds of thousands of workers laid off early in the downturn are soon to be left without the basic sustenance of an unemployment check.
Meanwhile, the Labor Department says, the number of unemployed people out of work for 27 weeks or longer continues to grow, reaching 4.4 million last month. In June, three out of 10 jobless workers had been out of work for at least six months, according to the department's data. The stimulus package the president signed soon after taking office did provide extended benefits, and boosted weekly payments. But even that extension runs out on Dec. 26, and would not apply to all the unemployed. Does anyone really believe that a significant portion of the unemployed will have found new work by then? Hardly. Both private and government economists now predict that unemployment will continue to rise at least through the end of this year.
"We can't ignore this moment when all these folks are running out (of benefits)," says Maurice Emsellem of the National Employment Law Project.
"That needs to be a top priority, to help these workers." Let's stop kidding ourselves. In no contemporary economic crisis -- not even those that unfolded on the Republicans' watch -- has Congress left the unemployed completely in the lurch. So some sort of spending package -- call it stimulus, call it stopgap emergency aid, whatever works -- is going to have to be passed.
The unemployment emergency helps feed another crisis Congress is going to be forced to address: the state budget disasters unfolding around the country. So far, 42 states have cut budgets that already had been enacted for fiscal 2009, according to the National Governors Association. More and deeper cuts are expected next year.
Already states have laid off and furloughed workers -- including, in some states, the very workers who process unemployment claims. Generally speaking, states are required to balance their budgets each year, a mandate that forces them to pull money out of the economy through spending reductions and tax hikes, counteracting the federal government's efforts to juice things up. "That is what happened during the Great Depression, we had states working against what the federal government was doing," says Heidi Shierholz, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute. With red states and blue, Republican governors and Democrats, all struggling against the same relentless, recession-driven drops in tax revenue, an almost irresistible political coalition for more aid to states eventually will take shape. And with the fast-approaching September deadline for extending some unemployment benefits, there will likely emerge one of those must-pass measures that may or may not be called another stimulus bill.
Any hot air expended trying to stop it serves no purpose but to fuel political fires. Remember, that is the whole point of those now huffing and puffing most heartily. They don't want to figure a way out of this morass; they just want to figure out a way to unseat those now in office.
Marie Cocco's e-mail address is mariecocco(at)washpost.com.
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Posted by: adp3d on Jul 10, 2009 2:11 AM
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Now tell me Honkey, do you work for $6.20 an hour?
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Posted by: orda on Jul 10, 2009 5:04 AM
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 10, 2009 5:18 AM
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Posted by: Jasonix on Jul 10, 2009 5:21 AM
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 10, 2009 6:52 AM
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He's right that companies like Microsoft, though he presents no evidence to back up his assertion, hire H1B engineers from China and India over their American counterparts. But it is not because American won't do that kind of work but because the MBAs running the company pay the immigrants less.
Labor is a company's most fungible expense. Lower wages equal higher profit margine which translate into higher stock prices that translate into more stock options for the MBAs running the company.
The same kind of thinking percolates on down through the US economy. I was this kind of thinking that motived the Rubashkins to actively recruit illegal immigrants for their Agriprocessors meat packing plant.
Simple, no?
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» No, MBAs who hire immigrants bad.
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Posted by: wtfo on Jul 10, 2009 8:04 AM
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It is interesting that I read this comment shortly after reading about what "meat-packing jobs" really are like in our current corporate-controlled food industry. Please read "Fast Food Nation" and then reconsider your comment.
Also, remember that all anyone can really strive for in employment these days is a decent pay for a decent day's work. Then, it sure would be nice to be treated as a valuable contributor to the success of the company and not just as a "business expense" or an "expense of production" - something to be minimized at all costs. The days of being able to choose employment from a reputable company that is genuinely considerate of the long-term economic, health, and quality of life needs of their employees are long gone. We are all just short-term mechanisms of production in the American economic system today.
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» Most Dangerous Industry in the U.S.
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» RE: e: A "Meat-Packing" Job May Not Be As Good A Job As You Think...
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 10, 2009 9:37 AM
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There are loads of programmers who would love to work, but they are the companies cannot agree on a living wage.
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Posted by: Unrepentant Heretic on Jul 10, 2009 10:15 AM
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During the last decades some 15 million jobs have been lost and some 17 million new jobs have been created. Only about 300,000 job losses can be attributed to outsourcing.
But the 15 million that lost their jobs have not be able to fill the new 17 million jobs, why?
There a two main reasons. They had no education or skills to begin with. And they refused to relocate and educate themselves to acquire these skills necessary to be employed in the 21th century.
I am willing to extend unemployment benefits for retraining but noway am I willing to pay for autoworkers that are laid off and refuse to reeducate themselves, demanding a job in the automotive sector, a dying industry.
The Scandinavian countries got it right. No unemployment benefit if you do not retrain.No unemployment benefit if you don't move to get an offered job.
The Scandinavian labor unions new that the only way to compete and keep your high wags was higher skilled workers. Swedish labor unions were ruthless to unprofitable corporations, if they could not pay the wage, they should be shut down. Wage security has always been more important in the Scandinavian countries than job security.
A Scandinavian labor union official would find it insulting to expect a low skilled work in a meat plant being paid $ 20 an hour when market wages was $ 6.20. They would have shut down that factory long time ago and would say to the worker unwilling to retrain, tough luck!
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Posted by: assrocket on Jul 11, 2009 10:26 AM
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Posted by: lindaamick on Jul 11, 2009 2:32 PM
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Please verify your facts.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 10, 2009 2:48 AM
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Extending unemployment benefits does inject cash into the system and goes to the worst problem of a recession: folks with no means to survive. Unemployment checks aren't great but if medicaid, food stamps and if necessary mortgage forbearance can be tossed in, people can make it to better times.
But just throwing money to states too cheap to tax the wealthy, corporations and those working professionals like doctors who are doing just fine(here come the Alternetter doctor lovers!) is absurd.
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Posted by: richholland on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 AM
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Now the communisme lost, trade unions are invisible.
The system that created the shit, cannot create something else.
Even the Nazis and the Stalin commies knew this fact.
Shouting the mantra OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA is not enough.
Think is it fair some families have billions and so many have nothing.
Of course Honkey, this crisis is related to the underpaid workers.
In Europe we pay livable wages sothat the shops can survive.
Middleclass can pay taxes... etc.
Our government quaranteed houseowners mortgages to $ 350.000
The banks were angry but the people are saved.
Start rethinking look at USA before 1980..
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Posted by: Sushi on Jul 10, 2009 4:50 AM
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They DON'T WANT anything Obama does to succeed, so they can point to the "failure" as a reason to vote Republicans back into office. Failure means hungry, desperate, scared and angry constituents, who will ignorantly buy into whatever they are told.
Also, notice that mainstream media no longer does any meaningful journalism. They feed us pop culture "news" top billing, then give partial stories, slanted to "let you decide" when they've not told the entire truth.
Sushi
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» RE: States are refusing or hoarding stimulus money
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» Obama is basically a republican.
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 10, 2009 5:33 AM
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While the dismal economic storm is raging, the best the government can do without ruining free market initiatives is to merely throw out a lifeline to the disadvantaged folks. Or, if you will, provide a community shelter of sorts while the storm is blasting thru. Once the storm passes, people should be able to secure suitable work. This is what unemployment insurance was intended for. What the people need is time for things to blow over. Those 800 billion dollar stimulus deals is a huge waste of money, very expensive and inefficient, and will not bring the desired effect.
The extension of unemployment benefits, on the other hand, should be the only thing the government should provide, and it's so much cheaper.
it's funny that those who bitch about unemployment compensations and stimulus packages don't say a word regarding open expense accounts garnered by the Iraq/Afghan debacle. They say nothing about the cost of those conflicts, which run about 150 billion dollars every couple of months or so. Do some soul searching, folks.
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Posted by: fantasypoliticsusa on Jul 10, 2009 6:53 AM
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This is not a red state blue state issue as the writer wants you to think. Some states have turned down the stimulus money because after the money stops the state will be responsible to pick up the bill. They refuse the stimulus money because it is short sighted to take it. If they can't pay the bills now, what makes you think they can pay out more money when the stimulus money stops? It will mean more state taxes due this stimulus mess. More of a burden to those that do or can stay working.
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 10, 2009 7:04 AM
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The traditionally "work" meant doing something physical in nature. Movement and muscles were involved, the body sweated.
Today we call sitting at a desk, eating shit from the MBAs in the executive suite and bothering people over the phone "work."
So every time I hear of a gaggle of stock brokers or insurance agents being laid off, downsized or outsourced, not a tear drop falls.
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» Most of the unemployed workers I know are in construction.
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» hmm...I wrote "traditionally "work"...
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» RE: Will I shed any tears? you missed it!
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» It most certainly does
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» HAHAHA!
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» Starvation is the libertarian motivator, isn't it?
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Posted by: shine0854 on Jul 10, 2009 7:35 AM
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Posted by: wtfo on Jul 10, 2009 7:48 AM
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It is interesting that I read this comment shortly after reading about what "meat-packing jobs" really are like in our current corporate-controlled food industry. Please read "Fast Food Nation" and then reconsider your comment.
Also, remember that all anyone can really strive for in employment these days is a decent pay for a decent day's work. Then, it sure would be nice to be treated as a valuable contributor to the success of the company and not just as a "business expense" or an "expense of production" - something to be minimized at all costs. The days of being able to choose employment from a reputable company that is genuinely considerate of the long-term economic, health, and quality of life needs of their employees are long gone. We are all just short-term mechanisms of production in the American economic system today.
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» When packing plants were unionized...
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Posted by: Benn_Miller on Jul 10, 2009 8:17 AM
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Jul 10, 2009 8:56 AM
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Funny, it always seems to work.
Do not be fearful!
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jul 10, 2009 12:52 PM
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let him say that to my face or my wife's face. i've been unemployed for over a year and she since last autumn. this is her longest period of no job since 1977, mr. jerkwater, and in our 26 years together, we never went 6 months without work.
we've applied to some 1500 jobs in the past year or so online and off. i seem to have been relegated to 'old and in the way;' and get virtually no replies. amy gets an interview every couple of weeks, then goes to find herself surrounded by 20-30-somethings who have no idea how skilled, or hip, she is. now in our mid-50s, we were on the macintosh in the mid-1980s years befor windows even existed, doing DTP and then websites when these things were brand new, saved big media companies tens of millions by our consulting and software dev... 'buddy can you spare a dime?'is not exactly where we expected to be at this extremely capable age.
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Posted by: Xynyx on Jul 10, 2009 1:02 PM
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jul 10, 2009 1:35 PM
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bush took office, as a hahaha 'conservative' who then almost tripled the national debt to just under $12 trillion. to this add the new $12 trillion and we're looking at $23+ trillion... none as yet are talking about bankruptcy, but when a debt can't conceivably be paid and default looms; to my knowledge, it's bankruptcy, eh? couch and occlude the numbers all they want; it won't change a thing.
so while the financial criminals who schemed this whole disaster rightly assumed they'd get their mansions and aston-martins 'bailed out' by their corporate-communist buddies the obamabush... a bare pittance has been given to the struggling and suffering.
btw... to the contrary, both krugman and stiglitz, among others, including ourselves, did see that the unemployment figures obama's folks thought the bottom weren't going to be anywhere close to the abyss we are now seeing. even the 'stimulus' package wound up giving virtually nothing to anyone but the comfortable ('tax breaks'), the bulk of the rest of the stimulus going to long-range pet projects like the electronic health record surveillance project and the high-speed trains we should've built decades ago... SBA got diddley-squat and that was where most all of it should've gone!
now obama's going to go back to congress to seek the sum and do better projects he should've sought in february? against an entrenched, hostile, limbaugh-GOP and dems who are identical to their GOP fellows? fat chance.
but if the country has tens of millions of unemployed getting no unemplloyment checks this winter... we'll see how the one-party system takes to mass food riots and a guilotine on wall street and on the DC mall...
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Posted by: WYGunston on Jul 10, 2009 3:01 PM
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And stop BITCHING IF YOU REMAIN IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. ANYONE BITCHING HERE TODAY WHO DOES NOT JOIN THE GREEN PARTY IS JUST YELLING AND COMPLAINING IN VAIN WITH YOUR USUAL FAKE Liberal/Progressive WHINE(ING). STOP IT BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME TIRING LISTENING TO YOU FAKE Liberal/Progressives who actually thought Obama or that the Demnocratic Party---also a party of the military-corporate state was gonna bring any real "change." You so-called Liberals/Progressives have become very pathetic!
The Democratic Party is not an ally of Liberals and Progressives so get into some reality.
Obama is not a Liberal/Progressive but the newest face on the fading of the American Empire.
Obama's healthcare plan can be equated with a euthansia plan and the sooner you knuckleheads face this harsh reality the better off you will be. Get your heads out of your butts! Face facts folks--Obama and Biden are war mongers who back the military-corporatist state and most Democrats in the U.S. House and Senate are conservatives, and not liberals or progressives.
Until the next time, I am sure all of you will keep busy in those Democratic Party delusions and yes the illusion that Obama is such a "great leader."
Obama being an "environmentalist" is like saying the Mafia never killed anyone.
Obama is not trustworthy and you dolts keep thinking he will achieve substantial changes in the failed political system.
Don't you people realize that the America is a FAILED STATE NOW? That any other country would be under the control of the IMF and World Bank right now? Wake Up because America has Failed and you still want those who allowed it to fail to Fix It for Ya! Man, you people are DUMB!
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Jul 10, 2009 10:35 PM
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This country sold out our industrial base during the last thirty years for a police state, a war economy and tens of trillions of dollars of debt. This economic system will have to go bankrupt and possibly Balkanize before it gets fixed. Deal with it because there is no way that unemployment checks or another stimulus package will come close to fixing a mess that took 30 years to create.
It will take at least a decade of hard work, a lot of luck and probably a die off to fix these problems.
Put another way, when you are stupid, you suffer and 90% of all suffering is based on stupidity. Welcome to the suffering mode.
Jay Lindberg
Author of Drug War Economics: The Machine Behind the Madness. Send me an email address and I will send it to you as a PDF file. It's Free.
When you understand how and why we got into the War on Drugs, you will understand how dysfunctional and corrupt this government really is. At that point the solutions will become crystal clear.
The more I learn about this government, the more I appreciate the French Revolution.
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Posted by: gunxclimber on Jul 11, 2009 6:31 PM
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Posted by: weslen1 on Jul 12, 2009 10:46 AM
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(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and wellbeing of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
To this day, when a disaster strikes, anywhere in the world, the United States is the first one there to offer assistance and to help in any way possible. Yet, when the most recent disasters occurred here at home, our government was MIA. And now that so many millions of jobs have been lost on Republican watch, their solution is to cut benefits for the unemployed, cut free school lunch programs to motivate hungry children, to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They pray for another 9/11 on a much grander scale to “Save the Republican Party”, they pray for the destruction of millions of people’s lives and call themselves the party of “morals”. Give me a break. They accuse the unemployed of being out of work “because they don’t understand the need to work or even why there is a need to work”. When it comes to helping Americans who are in trouble, our government is AWOL.
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Posted by: Jonalist on Jul 13, 2009 8:32 AM
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Posted by: Jonalist on Jul 13, 2009 4:16 PM
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I have never been a Political figure, nor have I ever desired being a Political figure. I am a author.
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Posted by: Knot_Rich on Jul 15, 2009 1:58 PM
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Think American folks, those foreigh workers aren't here supporting your local economy, they're not paying the taxes that build your roads and schools, or pay for your local police and fire protection. They're not buying GM or Ford cars keeping American workers working. Think about it. The next job sent overseas could be yours. And what will you do when there are no jobs around and your unemployment runs out.
I see it every day. It's happening NOW.
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Posted by: adp3d on Jul 10, 2009 2:11 AM
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Now tell me Honkey, do you work for $6.20 an hour?
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Posted by: orda on Jul 10, 2009 5:04 AM
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 10, 2009 5:18 AM
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» RE: "...hire engineers, computer programs and PhDs from Asia ..."
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Posted by: Jasonix on Jul 10, 2009 5:21 AM
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» RE: Was this meant to be a joke?
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 10, 2009 6:52 AM
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He's right that companies like Microsoft, though he presents no evidence to back up his assertion, hire H1B engineers from China and India over their American counterparts. But it is not because American won't do that kind of work but because the MBAs running the company pay the immigrants less.
Labor is a company's most fungible expense. Lower wages equal higher profit margine which translate into higher stock prices that translate into more stock options for the MBAs running the company.
The same kind of thinking percolates on down through the US economy. I was this kind of thinking that motived the Rubashkins to actively recruit illegal immigrants for their Agriprocessors meat packing plant.
Simple, no?
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» No, MBAs who hire immigrants bad.
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» RE: Actually the asshole has a point...
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Posted by: wtfo on Jul 10, 2009 8:04 AM
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It is interesting that I read this comment shortly after reading about what "meat-packing jobs" really are like in our current corporate-controlled food industry. Please read "Fast Food Nation" and then reconsider your comment.
Also, remember that all anyone can really strive for in employment these days is a decent pay for a decent day's work. Then, it sure would be nice to be treated as a valuable contributor to the success of the company and not just as a "business expense" or an "expense of production" - something to be minimized at all costs. The days of being able to choose employment from a reputable company that is genuinely considerate of the long-term economic, health, and quality of life needs of their employees are long gone. We are all just short-term mechanisms of production in the American economic system today.
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» Most Dangerous Industry in the U.S.
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» RE: e: A "Meat-Packing" Job May Not Be As Good A Job As You Think...
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 10, 2009 9:37 AM
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There are loads of programmers who would love to work, but they are the companies cannot agree on a living wage.
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Posted by: Unrepentant Heretic on Jul 10, 2009 10:15 AM
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During the last decades some 15 million jobs have been lost and some 17 million new jobs have been created. Only about 300,000 job losses can be attributed to outsourcing.
But the 15 million that lost their jobs have not be able to fill the new 17 million jobs, why?
There a two main reasons. They had no education or skills to begin with. And they refused to relocate and educate themselves to acquire these skills necessary to be employed in the 21th century.
I am willing to extend unemployment benefits for retraining but noway am I willing to pay for autoworkers that are laid off and refuse to reeducate themselves, demanding a job in the automotive sector, a dying industry.
The Scandinavian countries got it right. No unemployment benefit if you do not retrain.No unemployment benefit if you don't move to get an offered job.
The Scandinavian labor unions new that the only way to compete and keep your high wags was higher skilled workers. Swedish labor unions were ruthless to unprofitable corporations, if they could not pay the wage, they should be shut down. Wage security has always been more important in the Scandinavian countries than job security.
A Scandinavian labor union official would find it insulting to expect a low skilled work in a meat plant being paid $ 20 an hour when market wages was $ 6.20. They would have shut down that factory long time ago and would say to the worker unwilling to retrain, tough luck!
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Posted by: assrocket on Jul 11, 2009 10:26 AM
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Posted by: lindaamick on Jul 11, 2009 2:32 PM
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Please verify your facts.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 10, 2009 2:48 AM
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Extending unemployment benefits does inject cash into the system and goes to the worst problem of a recession: folks with no means to survive. Unemployment checks aren't great but if medicaid, food stamps and if necessary mortgage forbearance can be tossed in, people can make it to better times.
But just throwing money to states too cheap to tax the wealthy, corporations and those working professionals like doctors who are doing just fine(here come the Alternetter doctor lovers!) is absurd.
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» Built to fail.
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Posted by: richholland on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 AM
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Now the communisme lost, trade unions are invisible.
The system that created the shit, cannot create something else.
Even the Nazis and the Stalin commies knew this fact.
Shouting the mantra OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA is not enough.
Think is it fair some families have billions and so many have nothing.
Of course Honkey, this crisis is related to the underpaid workers.
In Europe we pay livable wages sothat the shops can survive.
Middleclass can pay taxes... etc.
Our government quaranteed houseowners mortgages to $ 350.000
The banks were angry but the people are saved.
Start rethinking look at USA before 1980..
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Posted by: Sushi on Jul 10, 2009 4:50 AM
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They DON'T WANT anything Obama does to succeed, so they can point to the "failure" as a reason to vote Republicans back into office. Failure means hungry, desperate, scared and angry constituents, who will ignorantly buy into whatever they are told.
Also, notice that mainstream media no longer does any meaningful journalism. They feed us pop culture "news" top billing, then give partial stories, slanted to "let you decide" when they've not told the entire truth.
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» RE: States are refusing or hoarding stimulus money
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» Obama is basically a republican.
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 10, 2009 5:33 AM
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While the dismal economic storm is raging, the best the government can do without ruining free market initiatives is to merely throw out a lifeline to the disadvantaged folks. Or, if you will, provide a community shelter of sorts while the storm is blasting thru. Once the storm passes, people should be able to secure suitable work. This is what unemployment insurance was intended for. What the people need is time for things to blow over. Those 800 billion dollar stimulus deals is a huge waste of money, very expensive and inefficient, and will not bring the desired effect.
The extension of unemployment benefits, on the other hand, should be the only thing the government should provide, and it's so much cheaper.
it's funny that those who bitch about unemployment compensations and stimulus packages don't say a word regarding open expense accounts garnered by the Iraq/Afghan debacle. They say nothing about the cost of those conflicts, which run about 150 billion dollars every couple of months or so. Do some soul searching, folks.
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Posted by: fantasypoliticsusa on Jul 10, 2009 6:53 AM
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This is not a red state blue state issue as the writer wants you to think. Some states have turned down the stimulus money because after the money stops the state will be responsible to pick up the bill. They refuse the stimulus money because it is short sighted to take it. If they can't pay the bills now, what makes you think they can pay out more money when the stimulus money stops? It will mean more state taxes due this stimulus mess. More of a burden to those that do or can stay working.
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Posted by: sausage on Jul 10, 2009 7:04 AM
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The traditionally "work" meant doing something physical in nature. Movement and muscles were involved, the body sweated.
Today we call sitting at a desk, eating shit from the MBAs in the executive suite and bothering people over the phone "work."
So every time I hear of a gaggle of stock brokers or insurance agents being laid off, downsized or outsourced, not a tear drop falls.
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» hmm...I wrote "traditionally "work"...
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It is interesting that I read this comment shortly after reading about what "meat-packing jobs" really are like in our current corporate-controlled food industry. Please read "Fast Food Nation" and then reconsider your comment.
Also, remember that all anyone can really strive for in employment these days is a decent pay for a decent day's work. Then, it sure would be nice to be treated as a valuable contributor to the success of the company and not just as a "business expense" or an "expense of production" - something to be minimized at all costs. The days of being able to choose employment from a reputable company that is genuinely considerate of the long-term economic, health, and quality of life needs of their employees are long gone. We are all just short-term mechanisms of production in the American economic system today.
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» When packing plants were unionized...
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Jul 10, 2009 8:56 AM
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Funny, it always seems to work.
Do not be fearful!
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jul 10, 2009 12:52 PM
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let him say that to my face or my wife's face. i've been unemployed for over a year and she since last autumn. this is her longest period of no job since 1977, mr. jerkwater, and in our 26 years together, we never went 6 months without work.
we've applied to some 1500 jobs in the past year or so online and off. i seem to have been relegated to 'old and in the way;' and get virtually no replies. amy gets an interview every couple of weeks, then goes to find herself surrounded by 20-30-somethings who have no idea how skilled, or hip, she is. now in our mid-50s, we were on the macintosh in the mid-1980s years befor windows even existed, doing DTP and then websites when these things were brand new, saved big media companies tens of millions by our consulting and software dev... 'buddy can you spare a dime?'is not exactly where we expected to be at this extremely capable age.
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Posted by: Xynyx on Jul 10, 2009 1:02 PM
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jul 10, 2009 1:35 PM
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bush took office, as a hahaha 'conservative' who then almost tripled the national debt to just under $12 trillion. to this add the new $12 trillion and we're looking at $23+ trillion... none as yet are talking about bankruptcy, but when a debt can't conceivably be paid and default looms; to my knowledge, it's bankruptcy, eh? couch and occlude the numbers all they want; it won't change a thing.
so while the financial criminals who schemed this whole disaster rightly assumed they'd get their mansions and aston-martins 'bailed out' by their corporate-communist buddies the obamabush... a bare pittance has been given to the struggling and suffering.
btw... to the contrary, both krugman and stiglitz, among others, including ourselves, did see that the unemployment figures obama's folks thought the bottom weren't going to be anywhere close to the abyss we are now seeing. even the 'stimulus' package wound up giving virtually nothing to anyone but the comfortable ('tax breaks'), the bulk of the rest of the stimulus going to long-range pet projects like the electronic health record surveillance project and the high-speed trains we should've built decades ago... SBA got diddley-squat and that was where most all of it should've gone!
now obama's going to go back to congress to seek the sum and do better projects he should've sought in february? against an entrenched, hostile, limbaugh-GOP and dems who are identical to their GOP fellows? fat chance.
but if the country has tens of millions of unemployed getting no unemplloyment checks this winter... we'll see how the one-party system takes to mass food riots and a guilotine on wall street and on the DC mall...
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» Plus $30 Trillion in Unfunded Social Security Obligations.
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Posted by: WYGunston on Jul 10, 2009 3:01 PM
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And stop BITCHING IF YOU REMAIN IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. ANYONE BITCHING HERE TODAY WHO DOES NOT JOIN THE GREEN PARTY IS JUST YELLING AND COMPLAINING IN VAIN WITH YOUR USUAL FAKE Liberal/Progressive WHINE(ING). STOP IT BECAUSE IT HAS BECOME TIRING LISTENING TO YOU FAKE Liberal/Progressives who actually thought Obama or that the Demnocratic Party---also a party of the military-corporate state was gonna bring any real "change." You so-called Liberals/Progressives have become very pathetic!
The Democratic Party is not an ally of Liberals and Progressives so get into some reality.
Obama is not a Liberal/Progressive but the newest face on the fading of the American Empire.
Obama's healthcare plan can be equated with a euthansia plan and the sooner you knuckleheads face this harsh reality the better off you will be. Get your heads out of your butts! Face facts folks--Obama and Biden are war mongers who back the military-corporatist state and most Democrats in the U.S. House and Senate are conservatives, and not liberals or progressives.
Until the next time, I am sure all of you will keep busy in those Democratic Party delusions and yes the illusion that Obama is such a "great leader."
Obama being an "environmentalist" is like saying the Mafia never killed anyone.
Obama is not trustworthy and you dolts keep thinking he will achieve substantial changes in the failed political system.
Don't you people realize that the America is a FAILED STATE NOW? That any other country would be under the control of the IMF and World Bank right now? Wake Up because America has Failed and you still want those who allowed it to fail to Fix It for Ya! Man, you people are DUMB!
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Jul 10, 2009 10:35 PM
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This country sold out our industrial base during the last thirty years for a police state, a war economy and tens of trillions of dollars of debt. This economic system will have to go bankrupt and possibly Balkanize before it gets fixed. Deal with it because there is no way that unemployment checks or another stimulus package will come close to fixing a mess that took 30 years to create.
It will take at least a decade of hard work, a lot of luck and probably a die off to fix these problems.
Put another way, when you are stupid, you suffer and 90% of all suffering is based on stupidity. Welcome to the suffering mode.
Jay Lindberg
Author of Drug War Economics: The Machine Behind the Madness. Send me an email address and I will send it to you as a PDF file. It's Free.
When you understand how and why we got into the War on Drugs, you will understand how dysfunctional and corrupt this government really is. At that point the solutions will become crystal clear.
The more I learn about this government, the more I appreciate the French Revolution.
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Posted by: gunxclimber on Jul 11, 2009 6:31 PM
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Posted by: weslen1 on Jul 12, 2009 10:46 AM
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(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and wellbeing of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
To this day, when a disaster strikes, anywhere in the world, the United States is the first one there to offer assistance and to help in any way possible. Yet, when the most recent disasters occurred here at home, our government was MIA. And now that so many millions of jobs have been lost on Republican watch, their solution is to cut benefits for the unemployed, cut free school lunch programs to motivate hungry children, to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They pray for another 9/11 on a much grander scale to “Save the Republican Party”, they pray for the destruction of millions of people’s lives and call themselves the party of “morals”. Give me a break. They accuse the unemployed of being out of work “because they don’t understand the need to work or even why there is a need to work”. When it comes to helping Americans who are in trouble, our government is AWOL.
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Posted by: Jonalist on Jul 13, 2009 8:32 AM
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The Foundation is a Project Plan I devised a year ago which is to Convert Automobiles. Jobs range from manufacturing jobs to reclaimation of Consumer Vehicles, No Consumer is left Behind Clause. The name of The Foundation is "The Electric Vehicle Free Conversion Foundation (EVFCF)". My Blog "Windows Live Spaces" has a articvle that may interest you, "You Need That Electric Vehicle Don't You". Another Windows Live Blog has two articles that would interest you "Someone On My Doorstep" (January 30), "Introducing The Electric Vehicle Free Conversion Foundation (EVFCF)" (January 31). On MySpace Blog I have a article entitled "Are Electric Vehicles For You?". I am a member of The Picken's Plan and I support My Project Plan Updates there. One article I wrote on The Picken's Plan is entitled "Alternative Energy Solutions Supports New Objectives".
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I have never been a Political figure, nor have I ever desired being a Political figure. I am a author.
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Posted by: Knot_Rich on Jul 15, 2009 1:58 PM
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Think American folks, those foreigh workers aren't here supporting your local economy, they're not paying the taxes that build your roads and schools, or pay for your local police and fire protection. They're not buying GM or Ford cars keeping American workers working. Think about it. The next job sent overseas could be yours. And what will you do when there are no jobs around and your unemployment runs out.
I see it every day. It's happening NOW.
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