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Chamber of Commerce Launches $100 Million Campaign to Protect Wall Street's Power at Our Expense
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Perhaps the greatest public deception surrounding today's financial meltdown is the notion that it is unique -- a once-in-a-lifetime crisis that reflects bad luck rather than any fundamental problem with the U.S. banking system's sway in global politics.
The truth is that throughout the 1980s, the major money center banks were in much the same situation they find themselves in today.
But the U.S. Chamber of Commerce plans to spend $100 million on a lobbying push to tell you the otherwise. It's a very careful strategy designed to ensure that Wall Street maintains the power to hijack the economy and demand epic bailouts from ordinary citizens as a reward for its own greed.
The name may sound like a coalition of your friendly neighborhood small-business proprietors, but in truth, the CoC is the world's most powerful lobbying machine for the corporate executive class.
Between 1998 and 2009, the CoC's campaign contributions dwarfed those of every other interest group in the United States -- over $447 million, more than double the next closest political influence peddler, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. If you add up the total contributions of Exxon Mobil, tobacco giant Altria (formerly known as Philip Morris) and GE, you won't even get close to what the CoC spends on congressional favors.
"The Chamber," as the group ominously refers to itself, opposes key issues like universal health care, expanded unionization, efforts to curb global warming and even pay restrictions for the CEOs of bailed-out banks. Their new lobby assault is an attack on regulation and any other attempt to control the economic wrecking crew in the U.S. banking sector.
"Our biggest worry is the issue with the Congress and then the follow-on regulations," CoC President and CEO Thomas Donohue said in a recent Fox News interview. "We supported the TARP funds, we supported issues to clear up the issues on General Motors, because this is a most extraordinary time. But now it is a moment to say 'OK, we've gone there, let's stop.' "
Donohue's argument is simple. With the economy on the verge of collapse, the government needs to funnel trillions of dollars to failed businesses just this one time, and then leave corporate execs to their own devices once the storm passes. Of course, Donohue's story is also a complete lie. Big bank bailouts have happened before, and without radical changes to the government's oversight of the financial sector, they will happen again.
In 1982, JPMorgan, Bank of America and Citibank were all facing financial ruin. They had made billions in expensive, high-interest loans to developing nations in Latin America, and the nations simply could not afford to repay them. These loans accounted for more than double the amount of money that the banks had set aside as a cushion against losses, according to FDIC data. Accounting for the loans accurately would have meant filing for bankruptcy.
"They were a lot like subprime mortgage loans," says William Black, a senior bank regulator from the 1980s, who now teaches law and economics at the University of Missouri at Kansas City. "They were never very good loans to begin with, so the borrowing never made a whole lot of sense."
But compliant U.S. regulators didn't make the banks record losses on the loans that were never going to be paid back. Between 1982 and 1987, no major money center bank realized any loss on a loan to a nation in Latin America. As the crisis dragged on, the International Monetary Fund eventually stepped in, amid heavy negotiations between foreign governments, the banks and the U.S. Treasury Department.
"The banks were permanently in conversation with IMF or the Treasury, it was part of the game," says Luiz Carlos Bresser-Pereira, who served as finance minister for Brazil during the height of the debt crisis. "The debtors had to negotiate with this coalition."
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 2, 2009 12:50 AM
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They have, over the years depleted, diminished and destroyed the very foundations of a fair and free society. From labor law to the environment to out sourcing our future the Chamber of Commerce has been working in the back ground to make sure the average guy gets squat and the country suffers while the rich and super rich CEOs and oligarch families get special treatment.
Their influence can not be overstated ... just look at the reported political contributions ... Behind all the deals, underneath the thousands of pages of legislation, throughout the Halls of Congress and the White House their money and power are exercised for the craven monied elite at the expense of everything and everybody including the national interest.
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» Squat
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» Naomi Klein put it all in "The Shock Doctrine" - here we go again. Molotov cocktails, anyone?
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» Joseph Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize in part for exposing the IMF -
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» RE: Joseph Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize in part for exposing the IMF -
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 2, 2009 1:29 AM
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Our government was created by people who were concerned about social justice (even if the slavery question was put to one side).
Imagine a society in which personal security was universal. You would have secure possession of your primary residence. No one would be allowed to profit from damaging activities. A progressive land tax would mean that most of us would pay no taxes at all. We could barter our skills and grow some of our own food.
In other words, we could have a society in which the happiness of all, not the happiness of the few, was the priority.
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» RE: more than 90% would be better off in a more equal society
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» Are all "men" created equal? Sure, if you believe in "God", not reality.
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» RE: Are all "men" created equal? Sure, if you believe in "God", not reality.
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» RE: Are all "men" created equal? Sure, if you believe in "God", not reality.
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» RE: Our government was created by people who were concerned about social justice (even if the slaver
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» RE: Our government was created by people who were concerned about social justice (even if the slaver
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» confusingly we are both right and both wrong, wbblack
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» RE: confusingly we are both right and both wrong, wbblack
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 2, 2009 2:08 AM
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That's a fair statement for practically everything on the list of horrors compiled: bailout of bad loans, busting unions, bringing foreign govt to heel.
However "global warming" issues really have little to do with corporate profits. There is pressure on oil companies and coal mines regardless of socalled global warming.
Are we too dependent on foreign oil, and is coal safe regardless of the dangers or nondangers of global warming?
If the climate stays stable or even cools, two distinct possibilities outside of dubious climate models that predict uncertain five degree warming by the end of century, it will not be because of corporate lobbying or Mr. Donohue's bluster.
Sometimes it's just cold out there.
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» Fossil Fuel trolls are being forced into ever more convoluted arguments to sell their poison
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» RE: The Chamber Cant Control the Climate
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» RE: The Chamber Cant Control the Climate
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» More things you likely have in common:
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 2, 2009 2:19 AM
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According to his book, Perkins' function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with huge debts they could not hope to pay, these countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run. In this capacity Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an EHM as follows:
Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization. ~ wiki
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» RE: The IMF - World Bank? Read: " Confessions of an Economic Hitman " by John Perkins
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» RE: The IMF - World Bank? Read: " Confessions of an Economic Hitman " by John Perkins
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Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 2, 2009 2:22 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» I did, and the answer I arrived at was "NO"!
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Posted by: zrants on Jul 2, 2009 2:23 AM
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» RE: Interesting theories
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» RE: Interesting theories
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» More than a theory, Stiglitz documents and lays out the arguments for this conclussion
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» RE: Interesting theories
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 AM
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Double-dealing business owners, however, also understand that it's to their advantage to organize in their efforts to defeat worker organizing and unionization. That's why a majority of American businesses belong to their own union. It's called the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
The Chamber of Commerce has amassed a multi-million-dollar war chest to disseminate anti-labor propaganda and pay for lobbying Congress to defeat the Employee Free Choice Act--and they won.
Ironically, there are many officials inside the Federal Reserve who enthusiastically support the Employee Free Choice Act.
You'll find not one member of the US Chamber of Commerce who supports the Employee Free Choice Act.
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» RE: The US Chamber of Commerce is the enemy, not the Federal Reserve.
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» COC controls everything; Fed makes the nice crisp soon to be worthless bills in your wallet
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» CoC is one of the biggest lobbyists for illegal foreign labor.
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» Whoa there guitarbill.
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» RE: Whoa there guitarbill.
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» Here spot, here boy. Sit. Stay. Good dog.
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» RE: Here spot, here boy. Sit. Stay. Good dog.
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» You don't know f*ckall about the FRS, so shut up.
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» RE: You don't know f*ckall about the FRS, so shut up.
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» RE: You don't know f*ckall about the FRS, so shut up.
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» I will leave you with this GuitarTroll.
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» NeoCon dirtbag GuitarShill Makes complete JackAss of himself (again)
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Posted by: carolcsme on Jul 2, 2009 2:41 AM
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Posted by: joebanana on Jul 2, 2009 2:51 AM
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» Does anyone see criminal intent in all this...
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 2, 2009 3:02 AM
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Torture is GOOD for You
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» RE: Obama's job
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» Baker's Dozen
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 2, 2009 3:22 AM
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No wonder Mark Warner came out against single payer health care and even wrote callous replies to those who asked him to support it. I wouldn't grieve for shitholes like Warner, Pelosi, Obama, etc ... if they lost their lives unlike JFK !!
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» RE: My evil Senator Mark Warner who I did not vote for proudly admired the CoC endorsing him last year.
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» One Big Plantation Just Bristlin With Guns
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» RE: One Big Plantation Just Bristlin With Guns
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Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 2, 2009 3:38 AM
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America: loathe it and leave it.
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» RE: Being an American...
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» RE: Being an American...
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» LMNOP - your drumbeat of cowardice sucks - change it, not leave it.
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» Cowardice? Fear of what?
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» You are absolutly right...
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» RE: You are absolutly right...
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Jul 2, 2009 3:42 AM
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» RE: Screwing themselves in the long run
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» They don't care about their companies or about the USA
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Posted by: Candleinheart on Jul 2, 2009 3:48 AM
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It has been researched that a country or government runs full course about every two hundred years. A researcher on this claimed there are 20 steps towards a demise. He concluded we are at number nineteen...Complacency and Apathy. Number Twenty? Anarchy and Revolution.I smell it in the wind, don't you?
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» RE: Haven't You Noticed Yet?
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» DON'T REELECT REPS WHO ARE NOT WORKING FOR YOU
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Posted by: GatoPreto on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 AM
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Can we agree that the IMF/World Bank scheme is a replay of the Fed ponzi on a larger scale?
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» RE: IMF austerity...
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 2, 2009 4:48 AM
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 2, 2009 5:30 AM
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...who cares right, it was those evil Republicans whom run Wall Street and the kidnapped the "real" Progressive Obama and replaced him with one of Karl Malone ligament sons to keep pushing the Third Term Of Bush.
I'll like my cake with no frosting
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» RE: I Will Like My Cake With No Frosting
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» I infer from you frequent reference to...
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» RE: I infer from your frequent reference to... mea culpa
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Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 AM
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Close her down.
Sell stocks can not resell except back to original owner
GAMBLERS
2000-2008---bet $4,000 and had $100 in pocket. Scam game.
1920-1930=Bet $4000 with 0 in pocket
Analogy is 40 X capital
Housing--local bank bundle mortgages--bad or worse--who cared--sell to Gamblers=sell around world to innocent buyers.
AIG employees--"We would take bets on anything"
Bernie Maddock cheap crook compared to Wall Street gamblers
this will get hit hard
fact check--who owns Wall street=HEBREWS
check it out.
who owns Hollywood=Hebrews
Who raided S&L's in 1980's to fund hostile takeovers=HEBREWS.
Who head government Financial offices=HEBREWS
name Greenspan familiar?
1920's=Wall street Gambling unrestricted
2000-2008=Wall Street Gamblers unrestricted
Great Depression II
prove me wrong, please
I want to be wrong.
so many Hebrew pals. but Facts are hard to disprove.
Were it Southern Baptists I would still report it.
cswinney2@triad.rr.com
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» RE: ICH MAN GAMBLING CASINO
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» RE: Damn
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jul 2, 2009 6:33 AM
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Small businesses are supporting an organization that is controlled by their competitors in big corporations. Practically every bill that the CofC supports helps big businesses to restrict competition and monopolize their industries.
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» RE: Why Do Small Businesses Pay CofC Dues?
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Posted by: etvaugha@mtu.edu on Jul 2, 2009 6:48 AM
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» Your lobotomy is working.
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» RE: Let's not forget who is really at fault here!
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» Sorry to disabuse you of this error...
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» RE: Let's not forget who is really at fault here!
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Jul 2, 2009 7:42 AM
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Posted by: Stew on Jul 2, 2009 7:44 AM
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Greider's "Come Home America"
Klein's "Shock Doctrine"
We need to act (including civil actions; voting and disobedience) to promote localized economies. Local power grids, local food production, local finance - that being regional banks, and local development and applications of new technologies. this simple idea, dramatic in scope and application, will drive our future society. Oh, and join The Zeitgeist Movement.
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Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 2, 2009 7:53 AM
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Obama is Bush
Let the word go forth to correct the record (the lies that Obama told in order to get elected):
Obama is Bush
Let's put pressure on Obama the only way available to us - through the grapevine:
Obama is Bush
The more this line is repeated the tougher it gets for Obama to live a secret life as a neocon thug while playing the role of a progressive man of the people:
Obama is Bush
peace,
Paul
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» A little late to the party, aren't you?
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 2, 2009 8:18 AM
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1. Chamber of Crooks
2. Chamber of Thieves
3. Chamber of Assholes
Ok, now, it's YOUR turn. What catchy names can YOU come up with?
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» RE: Name game
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» RE: Name game
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» New World Orduer, same old crap
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Posted by: skepticgod on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 AM
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the folks in America who dont care about 9-11, the bailouts of the rich, the trillions of dollars spent on wars are the american people living in Mcmansions with stable incomes of more than 800 and 1000 a week, etc. Only the low-wage americans and those who are unemployed are really awake
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» RE: OUR ONLY HOPE OF CHANGE IN AMERICA IS THE POOR-CLASS !!
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» What planet are u on?
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» Actually, Chavez's base is the extreme poor
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» RE: OUR ONLY HOPE OF CHANGE IN AMERICA IS THE POOR-CLASS !!
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» RE: OUR ONLY HOPE OF CHANGE IN AMERICA IS THE POOR-CLASS !!
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 2, 2009 9:32 AM
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http://www.endthefed.us/
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Posted by: Birdland on Jul 2, 2009 10:25 AM
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» RE: WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?
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» RE: WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?
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» RE: WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?
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» RE: WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?
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» Because they can
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» It feels so good
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Posted by: chabuka on Jul 2, 2009 11:08 AM
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» RE: Will Obama have the courage of FDR
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» RE: Will Obama have the courage of FDR
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» One word for you, friend...
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Jul 2, 2009 11:44 AM
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Posted by: TheProphet on Jul 2, 2009 12:37 PM
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-- Bill Moyers
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» Excellent post - Moyers is a true American hero. n/m
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Posted by: zigy on Jul 2, 2009 2:32 PM
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» Your assertion is no big secret zigy - Paul Krugman has said as much, as have others
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Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 2, 2009 3:31 PM
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We cannot match COC's advertising budget but they can't match our ability to talk among ourselves. That is our sole advantage and we need to be smart about it.
We need to organize at the grassroots level to expose Obama as a fraud. We need to rebrand him as the neocon he has blossomed into.
We need to be single-minded about this because Obama has sold us out to the highest bidder while he cruises along on the progressive mandate that WE gave him.
peace,
Paul
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Yes, Obama IS Bush
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» Obama is not Bush but he is a disappointment
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» Their underlying agendas are remarkably similar - ridiculously similar
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» RE: The only tool we have to fight COC propaganda is popular dissent
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Jul 2, 2009 4:21 PM
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The enemy remains the same.
Now...what are we going to do about it?
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» News to me
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» Two basic truths: they can outspend us but we are the ones who vote
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Posted by: cori on Jul 2, 2009 6:39 PM
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 AM
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(2) I have a house in foreclosure. Bank of America noted I had not paid my flood insurance so they bought a lesser policy for over 800% more than I paid for my own policy. Wondering why they would pay such an inflated amount, I wrote letters and sent them to the IRS and to the TARP oversight committee in Congress and to my senator asking them to investigate BoA and the Insurance company for an answer.
I just wish everyone who was pissed off about these things wrote and complained to various agencies, Congress, Letters to the editor etc. Posting here is fine way to relieve your frustration but accomplishes nothing else.
Let's start hitting them where they have to answer questions !!
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Jul 3, 2009 12:47 PM
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We must stop eating factory-farm foodlike substances.
We must stop eating prepackaged food.
We must get off the petroleum teat now, not later.
We must stop buying things manufactured by dollar-a-week labor.
We must pay down our credit cards, so as to choke off that river of interest.
There are perhaps 50 to 100 similar things we should do, but above all, WE MUST MANDATE 100% PUBLIC FINANCING FOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS. We also must put spending limits on those campaigns so that regular Americans can run for office.
We must cut the financial link between the Greed Culture and the folks who ostensibly work as our Hired Help. We should not expect the Help to bite the hand that feeds them, since they have all prospered under the current system.
There are all kinds of excuses for keeping the Status Quo, but they are merely excuses, no matter how convincing they sound. If we cannot take back our elections, we will never get our government out of the clutches of the C-O-C.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 2, 2009 12:50 AM
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They have, over the years depleted, diminished and destroyed the very foundations of a fair and free society. From labor law to the environment to out sourcing our future the Chamber of Commerce has been working in the back ground to make sure the average guy gets squat and the country suffers while the rich and super rich CEOs and oligarch families get special treatment.
Their influence can not be overstated ... just look at the reported political contributions ... Behind all the deals, underneath the thousands of pages of legislation, throughout the Halls of Congress and the White House their money and power are exercised for the craven monied elite at the expense of everything and everybody including the national interest.
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» Naomi Klein put it all in "The Shock Doctrine" - here we go again. Molotov cocktails, anyone?
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» Joseph Stiglitz won the Nobel Prize in part for exposing the IMF -
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Posted by: Suzon on Jul 2, 2009 1:29 AM
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Our government was created by people who were concerned about social justice (even if the slavery question was put to one side).
Imagine a society in which personal security was universal. You would have secure possession of your primary residence. No one would be allowed to profit from damaging activities. A progressive land tax would mean that most of us would pay no taxes at all. We could barter our skills and grow some of our own food.
In other words, we could have a society in which the happiness of all, not the happiness of the few, was the priority.
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» Are all "men" created equal? Sure, if you believe in "God", not reality.
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» confusingly we are both right and both wrong, wbblack
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jul 2, 2009 2:08 AM
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That's a fair statement for practically everything on the list of horrors compiled: bailout of bad loans, busting unions, bringing foreign govt to heel.
However "global warming" issues really have little to do with corporate profits. There is pressure on oil companies and coal mines regardless of socalled global warming.
Are we too dependent on foreign oil, and is coal safe regardless of the dangers or nondangers of global warming?
If the climate stays stable or even cools, two distinct possibilities outside of dubious climate models that predict uncertain five degree warming by the end of century, it will not be because of corporate lobbying or Mr. Donohue's bluster.
Sometimes it's just cold out there.
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» More things you likely have in common:
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 2, 2009 2:19 AM
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According to his book, Perkins' function was to convince the political and financial leadership of underdeveloped countries to accept enormous development loans from institutions like the World Bank and USAID. Saddled with huge debts they could not hope to pay, these countries were forced to acquiesce to political pressure from the United States on a variety of issues. Perkins argues in his book that developing nations were effectively neutralized politically, had their wealth gaps driven wider and economies crippled in the long run. In this capacity Perkins recounts his meetings with some prominent individuals, including Graham Greene and Omar Torrijos. Perkins describes the role of an EHM as follows:
Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet's natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization. ~ wiki
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» RE: The IMF - World Bank? Read: " Confessions of an Economic Hitman " by John Perkins
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Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jul 2, 2009 2:22 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» I did, and the answer I arrived at was "NO"!
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» More than a theory, Stiglitz documents and lays out the arguments for this conclussion
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 AM
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Double-dealing business owners, however, also understand that it's to their advantage to organize in their efforts to defeat worker organizing and unionization. That's why a majority of American businesses belong to their own union. It's called the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
The Chamber of Commerce has amassed a multi-million-dollar war chest to disseminate anti-labor propaganda and pay for lobbying Congress to defeat the Employee Free Choice Act--and they won.
Ironically, there are many officials inside the Federal Reserve who enthusiastically support the Employee Free Choice Act.
You'll find not one member of the US Chamber of Commerce who supports the Employee Free Choice Act.
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» COC controls everything; Fed makes the nice crisp soon to be worthless bills in your wallet
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» CoC is one of the biggest lobbyists for illegal foreign labor.
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» Whoa there guitarbill.
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» Here spot, here boy. Sit. Stay. Good dog.
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» You don't know f*ckall about the FRS, so shut up.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 2, 2009 3:22 AM
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No wonder Mark Warner came out against single payer health care and even wrote callous replies to those who asked him to support it. I wouldn't grieve for shitholes like Warner, Pelosi, Obama, etc ... if they lost their lives unlike JFK !!
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Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 2, 2009 3:38 AM
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America: loathe it and leave it.
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» LMNOP - your drumbeat of cowardice sucks - change it, not leave it.
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» Cowardice? Fear of what?
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» You are absolutly right...
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Posted by: Candleinheart on Jul 2, 2009 3:48 AM
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It has been researched that a country or government runs full course about every two hundred years. A researcher on this claimed there are 20 steps towards a demise. He concluded we are at number nineteen...Complacency and Apathy. Number Twenty? Anarchy and Revolution.I smell it in the wind, don't you?
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» DON'T REELECT REPS WHO ARE NOT WORKING FOR YOU
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Posted by: GatoPreto on Jul 2, 2009 4:24 AM
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Can we agree that the IMF/World Bank scheme is a replay of the Fed ponzi on a larger scale?
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jul 2, 2009 5:30 AM
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...who cares right, it was those evil Republicans whom run Wall Street and the kidnapped the "real" Progressive Obama and replaced him with one of Karl Malone ligament sons to keep pushing the Third Term Of Bush.
I'll like my cake with no frosting
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» I infer from you frequent reference to...
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» RE: I infer from your frequent reference to... mea culpa
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Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 AM
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Close her down.
Sell stocks can not resell except back to original owner
GAMBLERS
2000-2008---bet $4,000 and had $100 in pocket. Scam game.
1920-1930=Bet $4000 with 0 in pocket
Analogy is 40 X capital
Housing--local bank bundle mortgages--bad or worse--who cared--sell to Gamblers=sell around world to innocent buyers.
AIG employees--"We would take bets on anything"
Bernie Maddock cheap crook compared to Wall Street gamblers
this will get hit hard
fact check--who owns Wall street=HEBREWS
check it out.
who owns Hollywood=Hebrews
Who raided S&L's in 1980's to fund hostile takeovers=HEBREWS.
Who head government Financial offices=HEBREWS
name Greenspan familiar?
1920's=Wall street Gambling unrestricted
2000-2008=Wall Street Gamblers unrestricted
Great Depression II
prove me wrong, please
I want to be wrong.
so many Hebrew pals. but Facts are hard to disprove.
Were it Southern Baptists I would still report it.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jul 2, 2009 6:33 AM
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Small businesses are supporting an organization that is controlled by their competitors in big corporations. Practically every bill that the CofC supports helps big businesses to restrict competition and monopolize their industries.
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» Your lobotomy is working.
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Posted by: Stew on Jul 2, 2009 7:44 AM
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Greider's "Come Home America"
Klein's "Shock Doctrine"
We need to act (including civil actions; voting and disobedience) to promote localized economies. Local power grids, local food production, local finance - that being regional banks, and local development and applications of new technologies. this simple idea, dramatic in scope and application, will drive our future society. Oh, and join The Zeitgeist Movement.
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Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 2, 2009 7:53 AM
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Obama is Bush
Let the word go forth to correct the record (the lies that Obama told in order to get elected):
Obama is Bush
Let's put pressure on Obama the only way available to us - through the grapevine:
Obama is Bush
The more this line is repeated the tougher it gets for Obama to live a secret life as a neocon thug while playing the role of a progressive man of the people:
Obama is Bush
peace,
Paul
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» A little late to the party, aren't you?
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Posted by: willymack on Jul 2, 2009 8:18 AM
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1. Chamber of Crooks
2. Chamber of Thieves
3. Chamber of Assholes
Ok, now, it's YOUR turn. What catchy names can YOU come up with?
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» New World Orduer, same old crap
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Posted by: skepticgod on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 AM
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the folks in America who dont care about 9-11, the bailouts of the rich, the trillions of dollars spent on wars are the american people living in Mcmansions with stable incomes of more than 800 and 1000 a week, etc. Only the low-wage americans and those who are unemployed are really awake
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» RE: OUR ONLY HOPE OF CHANGE IN AMERICA IS THE POOR-CLASS !!
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» What planet are u on?
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» Actually, Chavez's base is the extreme poor
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» RE: OUR ONLY HOPE OF CHANGE IN AMERICA IS THE POOR-CLASS !!
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 2, 2009 9:32 AM
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http://www.endthefed.us/
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» Because they can
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» It feels so good
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» One word for you, friend...
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Posted by: TheProphet on Jul 2, 2009 12:37 PM
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-- Bill Moyers
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» Your assertion is no big secret zigy - Paul Krugman has said as much, as have others
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Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 2, 2009 3:31 PM
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We cannot match COC's advertising budget but they can't match our ability to talk among ourselves. That is our sole advantage and we need to be smart about it.
We need to organize at the grassroots level to expose Obama as a fraud. We need to rebrand him as the neocon he has blossomed into.
We need to be single-minded about this because Obama has sold us out to the highest bidder while he cruises along on the progressive mandate that WE gave him.
peace,
Paul
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Yes, Obama IS Bush
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» Their underlying agendas are remarkably similar - ridiculously similar
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Jul 2, 2009 4:21 PM
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The enemy remains the same.
Now...what are we going to do about it?
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» Two basic truths: they can outspend us but we are the ones who vote
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 AM
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(2) I have a house in foreclosure. Bank of America noted I had not paid my flood insurance so they bought a lesser policy for over 800% more than I paid for my own policy. Wondering why they would pay such an inflated amount, I wrote letters and sent them to the IRS and to the TARP oversight committee in Congress and to my senator asking them to investigate BoA and the Insurance company for an answer.
I just wish everyone who was pissed off about these things wrote and complained to various agencies, Congress, Letters to the editor etc. Posting here is fine way to relieve your frustration but accomplishes nothing else.
Let's start hitting them where they have to answer questions !!
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Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Jul 3, 2009 12:47 PM
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We must stop eating factory-farm foodlike substances.
We must stop eating prepackaged food.
We must get off the petroleum teat now, not later.
We must stop buying things manufactured by dollar-a-week labor.
We must pay down our credit cards, so as to choke off that river of interest.
There are perhaps 50 to 100 similar things we should do, but above all, WE MUST MANDATE 100% PUBLIC FINANCING FOR POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS. We also must put spending limits on those campaigns so that regular Americans can run for office.
We must cut the financial link between the Greed Culture and the folks who ostensibly work as our Hired Help. We should not expect the Help to bite the hand that feeds them, since they have all prospered under the current system.
There are all kinds of excuses for keeping the Status Quo, but they are merely excuses, no matter how convincing they sound. If we cannot take back our elections, we will never get our government out of the clutches of the C-O-C.
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