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Foreclosure Fiasco Continues: The Bush-Obama Strategy of Throwing Billions at Banks Doesn't Work
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It's not working. The Bush-Obama strategy of throwing trillions at the banks to solve the mortgage crisis is a huge bust. The financial moguls, while tickled pink to have $1.25 trillion in toxic assets covered by the feds, along with hundreds of billions in direct handouts, are not using that money to turn around the free fall in housing foreclosures.
As The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, "The Mortgage Bankers Association cut its forecast of home-mortgage lending this year by 27% amid deflating hopes for a boom in refinancing." The same association said that the total refinancing under the administration's much ballyhooed Home Affordable Refinance Program is "very low."
Aside from a tight mortgage market, the problem in preventing foreclosures has to do with homeowners losing their jobs. Here again the administration, continuing the Bush strategy, is working the wrong end of the problem. Although President Obama was wise enough to at least launch a job stimulus program, a far greater amount of federal funding benefits Wall Street as opposed to Main Street.
State and local governments have been forced into draconian budget cuts, firing workers who are among the most reliable in making their mortgage payments--when they have jobs. Yet the Obama administration won't spend even a small fraction of what it has wasted on the banks to cover state shortfalls.
California couldn't get the White House to guarantee $5.5 billion in short-term notes to avert severe cuts in state and local payrolls, from prison guards to schoolteachers. Compare that with the $50 billion already given to Citigroup, plus an astounding $300 billion to guarantee that institution's toxic assets. Citigroup benefits from being a bank "too big to fail," although through its irresponsible actions to get that large it did as much as any company to cause this mess.
How big a mess? According to the Federal Reserve's most recent report, seven straight quarters of declining household wealth have left Americans $14 trillion poorer. Many who thought they were middle class have now joined the ranks of the poor. Food banks are strapped and welfare rolls are dramatically on the rise, as the WSJ reports, with a 27 percent year-to-year increase in Oregon, 23 percent in South Carolina and 10 percent in California. And you have to be very poor to get on welfare, thanks to President Clinton's so-called welfare reform, which he signed into law before he ramped up the radical deregulation of the financial services industry, enabling our economic downturn.
Citigroup, the prime mover for ending the sensible restraints of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, is now a pathetic ward of the state. But back in the day President Clinton would tour the country with Citigroup founder Sandy Weill touting the wonderful work that Weill and other moguls were doing to invest in economically depressed communities. It wasn't really happening then, and now millions of folks in those communities have seen their houses snatched from them as if they were just pieces in a game of Monopoly that Clinton and his fat-cat buddy were playing.
Once Weill got the radical deregulation law he wanted, he issued a statement giving credit: "In particular, we congratulate President Clinton, Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, NEC [National Economic Council] Chairman Gene Sperling, Under Secretary of the Treasury Gary Gensler, Assistant Treasury Secretaries Linda Robertson and Greg Baer."
Summers is now Obama's top economic adviser, Sperling has been appointed legal counselor at Treasury, and Gensler, a former partner in Goldman Sachs, is head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which he once attempted to prevent from regulating derivatives when it was run by Brooksley Born. Robertson worked for Summers in pushing through the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which freed the derivatives market from adult supervision and contained the "Enron Loophole," permitting that company to go wild. Robertson then became the top Washington lobbyist for Enron and was recently appointed senior adviser to Fed Chair Ben S. Bernanke. Baer went to work as a corporate counsel for Bank of America, which announced his appointment with a press release crediting him with having "coordinated Treasury policy" during the Clinton years in getting Glass-Steagall repealed. As a result of deregulation, B of A too spiraled out of control and ended up as a beneficiary of the Treasury's welfare program.
Why was I so naive as to have expected this Democratic president to not do the bidding of the banks when the last president from that party joined the Republicans in giving the moguls everything they wanted? Please, Obama, prove me wrong.
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Posted by: Tony D on Jun 27, 2009 1:50 AM
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The question will be whether we can recover from this disaster. The banks now have more and cheaper money to engage in their legal Ponzi scheme. What a disgrace.
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Posted by: grosspointblank1986 on Jun 27, 2009 5:14 AM
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Why doesn't the Government give every legal American age 18 an older a $ 100,000 bailout.
Imagine what would happen to this country, Mortgages could be paid down then refinanced or just paid off.
Everyone is talking about homes that are underwater because families have mortgages that are bigger than the homes worth.
My Idea is that someone with a $200,000 Mortgage and a house now worth $100,000.
This idea would allow for the mortgage to realign.
Of course, If the family is a married couple, then each would get the $100,000 a piece there by completely freeing them to pay off their mortgage.
This would eliminate a lot of the so called toxic assets. It would also stimulate the economy by encouraging new home purchases by first time buyers, because the money could be used as a down payment or outright purchase of a distressed home.
If the mortgage is in good shape then the money could go to paying down credit card, other debts, Helping Students with college, or just spend on some big ticket items Cars, appliances, home repairs, Vacations.
I was just reading an article that states America has spent approx. 15 Trillion dollars for these bailouts since October 2008.
(That's 15,000,000,000,000)
So I went to census.gov & checked the population clock as of 6/19/09 it was at 306,707,275
so let's do the math:
15 Trillion divided by 306,707,275
equals $489,072.89 in bailout money spent per American.
Here I was only asking for $ 100,000.00
I guess I wasn't greedy enough....
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jun 27, 2009 5:38 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Jun 27, 2009 5:47 AM
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we didn't do our part for the 70% of this economy by not spending what we don't have!!! no thought was really given to the part of no job means no $$ to spend... and what to do while 'waiting for the job sector to return, which as you know, is always last in a recession to recover' (the drivel being fed to people right now)... how are people going to make it for a year or more as things quickly implode all around us???
btw... what are the banksters going to do with all the piled up foreclosed houses they can't give away, the new cars rusting in dealerships, name brands not selling but cheaper store brands doing better for food, people dying from not having the $$ to pay for drugs they depend on for life, malnutrition, homelessness and run out unemployment climbing, just for starters...
at least in the third world countries, most have access to resources of some sort, including a patch of dirt to plunk a tent and maybe a little food donated for kids... we don't even have that the way things are going...
frustrated on how all these economic failure are being dropped into the american people's laps as if it were all our fault for not holding up our 'end of the bargain'...
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 27, 2009 6:04 AM
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The American consumptor should take a note in their personal spending habits and maybe...just maybe...vote for people who will reflect the new, old value of capital conservation.
Ha. Isn't that a riot! Americans vote for credit card government spenders who reflect their own behaviors...
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Posted by: AAWeeble3 on Jun 27, 2009 6:18 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Jun 27, 2009 7:34 AM
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Pls. see MSM/NPR/PBS/hollywood for exactly what the are;an accomplice to the crimes.
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Posted by: archivistIII on Jun 27, 2009 8:50 AM
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WE WOULD SPEND IT!!!
WE WOULD GIVE IT TO BANKS!!!!
AND WE WOULD BE OUT OF DEBT!!!
WTF!!!!!!!
The money should have been funnled to us!!
Oh, but if you are on SS you get $250 extra this year!! Yay!
Oh yeah, I get $11 less a week in taxes deducted!! Yay!!
I'm still trying to figure out what to do with that $44; oh, yeah, gasoline.
Meanwhile I have defaulted on every debt except for my home and my spending has ground to a screaching halt. I'm about to cut off my internet, cell phone and I have not purchased a digital converter box so I will not be watching TV.
My hostility (towards government) and that of those around me grows stronger every day.
I think they want this all to crash, that is why they are letting California fail. If California defaults on thier bonds it will spread through the rest of the nation and they will blame us.
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Posted by: ralphzilla on Jun 27, 2009 9:47 AM
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So essentially they can talk a good talk, but have no real abilities to set policy. They have sold their souls to the ones that "brung ya" to the dance. They dance as they are told to dance.
This country has been essentially in secret government, big brother, big bank, big military mode since the 50's. Everything is decided behind closed doors and then implemented by stooges.
This latest bank giveaway- little guy be damned - is just another sad chapter of a once promising democracy gone horribly wrong.
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Posted by: zrants on Jun 27, 2009 4:17 PM
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I told him: Supporting Creative innovation does not mean repeating a failed policy. Creative innovation means replacing it with a better system.
The message we need to send to Congress is that trickle down doesn't work. Those theories got us into this mess. Try a different approach. You bailed out the banks. You bailed out Detroit. Now it is time to bail out the middle class consumer by re-instating the consumer protections laws and protections that were gutted during the past few administrations.
Z
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Posted by: poppaphil2007 on Jun 27, 2009 7:45 PM
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Someone with some balls help me out here, please.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 27, 2009 11:04 PM
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Next time you see a rich-ass fucker on the street, give him the finger and a kick in the butt... with a smile and a thank you for fucking over our country, dammit! It's the least they deserve.
1789.
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Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jun 28, 2009 2:33 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 28, 2009 2:47 AM
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Any more fucking comments about my hat?
Ian
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Posted by: grindermonkey on Jun 28, 2009 7:11 AM
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All a bank has to do is count, it's the math, stupid, and keep the rows and columns separate. All this can be performed at any ATM machine. Why is this job difficult? Why does it require public subsidies on this scale?
Because with the growing poverty more people are having to wear tighter jeans and even an invisible hand has difficulty the zippers.
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 AM
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Fiasco, by its definition is a complete, ludicrous failure. The continuing theft of our money, futures, and lives by the neocons has been a huge success, and will stop only if and when ordinary citizens decide to FIGHT them. Current events aren't all that encouraging, now, are they?
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jun 28, 2009 1:24 PM
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It's a National Disgrace and Obama's detachment from this daily tragedy is a disgrace and there are 8-9 million more to go..
This is Obama's Katrina X's a magnitude of 1,000 or more..
There is a simple solution that would save the vast majority of people from this trauma and the trauma of eviction..
Just reset these homes at their true current market value, what the bank can sell the house now for anyway and give these people our fellow Americans a fixed rate from 4.5-6% these folks are trying to pay many of them these balloon rates of 11-14% even more...
Why would these corrupt bankers of ours give these people a deal when Obama paid them up front..?
I can't tell you how much this abomination upsets me and the Obama administration is a sham and nothing more than a front for the Banksters that really run it...
From Goldman Sachs to The Bilderberg Group, AIG, Morgan Stanley...et al..that's who runs our country..
These banksers actually dare refer to "Moral Hazard.." can you imagine that swine speaking of what's moral...as if it would be immoral to keep American in the primary housing...
Obama is the Opiate of the Masses...a Judas Goat....and no man of the People, never was...!
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Posted by: KThomas on Jun 28, 2009 4:23 PM
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A large variety of properties and assets on the books are overvalued-- the house that was sold for $800K and sliced up into worldwide bond issues is really worth $450K-- but no one is willing to conduct write-downs before anyone else. The banks (etc) still claim those homes are worth $800K, and are trying to get away with it -- while the bailout money went-- where, to do what?
This is not a problem that can be solved by bailouts-- sure, they restore temporary confidence and provide operating capital,-- but they don't pay down the problem. You have to pull the inflated assets off the books.
The current solution seems like handling an addicted gambler about to be shot by his bookie another loan-- instead of paying his bookie off, he hands the bookie just enough not to get shot, then makes more bets.
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Posted by: cori on Jun 28, 2009 6:30 PM
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I am 60 years old and I have NEVER seen it this bad! Congress has become a useless entity whose only interest is taking bribes at the expense of the lives of the American people! What the hell does homeland security really mean anyway? What a farce! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. We don’t invest our young people, in education and we let our people starve and die in the gutter and die from lack of healthcare. You are immoral beasts! I promise you if this form of economic rape continues we will end up as a poor, sick nation. It a real horror show and you people have no conscience or morality.
The military spends like there is a bottomless pit of money as revenues fall. Trillions are given to Wall Street who committed fraud and then blackmailed the world that is now in a depression as are we – people are in dire straights by the ten’s of thousands and this government makes Cuba look good.
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Posted by: K_for_Kansas on Jun 29, 2009 4:58 AM
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And also a quieting of that giant sucking sound as the financial institutions hoover up the rest of our future ...
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jun 29, 2009 6:20 PM
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Nixon always said U.S. citizens were about as intelligent as a typical 10-year-old child - and just as easy to fool under corporate MSM. With Washington in the pocket of the same felons that own and run the private bank monopoly (“Federal Reserve” Corp that is not federal and has zero reserves) in charge of the economy, it doesn’t take a crystal ball or a even a clue to know what this latest extortion scam is about.
How stupid can Americans be?
Just since 2000 after 2 stolen elections, an acknowledged 9/11 coverup with its phony “war on terror” and $14 trillion stolen – nobody has really organized or complained yet.
Now that is world-class idiocy.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 AM
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Don't fool yourself. The Romans borrowed money. Converting ounces of gold borrowed into todays dollars at 900 dollars an ounce I come up with these numbers. A wealthy Roman once borrowed $7,500,000 for a party. But it wasn't commercial banking. You can kinda think of it as a "big loan shark".
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 AM
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Savings and Loans had very different reserve requirements. They had to keep a bunch of money sitting in order to cover bad loans. A Savings and Loan could not make loans on anything other than real property. That translates as houses for ordinary people. Bankers could loan on houses but they ordinarily couldn't compete.
The republicans, the RNC, and Ronald Reagan set about to deregulate the Savings and Loans. They told them that they could just do anything that the bankers had always done. They didn't have to keep all of that reserve money in case of loan defaults. They could just go diddle it off. They could loan on boats and cars and do cash, signature, loans on the basis of credit history. They could just go do anything with their money that they wanted. They had given toasters for opening an account.
Deregulation led to excess. The Savings and Loan in Vernon, Texas stopped giving toasters for opening an account and chartered an airliner to Paris. Yes, this is real.
Moreover, the FSLIC and/or the FDIC guaranteed depositors accounts up to 100,000 dollars. Then they really discovered something. A bank or savings and loan could often be had for 2 1/2 million. But the deposits were usually greater than 20 million. Why sit and run this thing for the measley interest income? Steal the 20 million instead. So they would hire a genuine criminal to work as a manager or a loan officer. They would let him steal a little. Careful documentation would insure he could be caught by legitimate bank examiner. They promptly began the thieft of the depositors money.
They would steal 20, 50, 150, 250 million or more. The taxpayer through the FSLIC or the FDIC reimbursed the depositor. The government, the Reagan administration, turned a blind eye. They did this for a reason. The guys that stole this money became big Reagan supporters. This has been the basis for the big republican growth period for the last 20-30 years. It was stolen money.
Had the Savings and Loans been protected the current housing boom and bust most likely wouldn't have happened. In the first place the Savings and Loans were required by law to provide their own internal protection from going bust. In the second case they just didn't give money away. You had to show 10% down. They just never loaned more that 90% of appraised value.
THE BANKERS, THE RNC, AND RONALD REAGAN CAUSED THE CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS. Not even George Bush gets the blame. Although he did nothing to stop it. Obama inherited this. One of the eventual solutions might be to study the structure of the Savings and Loans and reinstate them.
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Posted by: Kachina on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 AM
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When we started thinking, Global Village and Corporations sent our JOBS overseas, that was the second biggest mistake from our Nations Leaders! BRING AMERICAN CORPORATIONS HOME OR PUT THEM ON TRAIL FOR TREASON!!Or, KICK THEM OUT OF AMERICA! THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS, in my opinion!
When we allowed Uncle Sam to spend our money as they saw fit, that was the third mistake! Every decision should be voted on by THE PEOPLE, now, because it is evident we CAN NOT TRUST OUR LEADERS TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES FOR US, literally!
I am so angry at what our Corporate and Government Leaders are doing to America(n's), I could scream! I am a Mother of Two and Grandmother of Five and it terrifies me to think of what my Grand-children are going to have to do to survive in this world!! That's if NOTHING happens on December 21st 2012!
I KNOW 9/11 was an inside job. I KNOW it in my GUT! Bush and Gang started the takeover of America long before that date, but now, for the most wealthy people in America to rip off TRILLIONS, from their own brothers and sisters??? OMG! May they rot in hades for the sins they have committed against us all...
President Obama was our hope to change it all. My hope is slowly dying....too much damage has been done...
For all those that are suffering today...may God Save You because it is clear, Uncle Sam WILL NOT!
WE THE PEOPLE, are a dying race. AMERICA is dying. The Powers that Be are chipping away our rights, freedom's, financial security, homes, education, medical rights and worst of all, Life On Earth, to the point FEW want to live on this planet, anymore. It is not a blessing to be born, anymore, it is a blessing to die and get the freak off this planet. We are born into servitude beyond our wildest dreams, for life, now.
Only the Strong will survive and the sharks are in an eating frenzy, and we are their Food!
Kachina
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Posted by: audrey on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 PM
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Now with 2 million more foreclosures slated to hit the market before the end of the year, I am wondering what our illustrious leader plans next.
But I guess what amazes me most is the complacency of the American people. If people are not aware that Obama is working for the bankers and not the people by now, they never will be. When many more people are homeless and starving, it just might be too late.
I have much respect for the Iranian people who were willing to stand up by the millions to make a statement about the corruption in their country.
The American banking system is behind the collapse of the world economy and we do nothing!
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Posted by: SimpleHomeLoanModifications on Jul 15, 2009 4:15 PM
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Simple Home Loan Modifications
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Posted by: Tony D on Jun 27, 2009 1:50 AM
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The question will be whether we can recover from this disaster. The banks now have more and cheaper money to engage in their legal Ponzi scheme. What a disgrace.
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Posted by: grosspointblank1986 on Jun 27, 2009 5:14 AM
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Why doesn't the Government give every legal American age 18 an older a $ 100,000 bailout.
Imagine what would happen to this country, Mortgages could be paid down then refinanced or just paid off.
Everyone is talking about homes that are underwater because families have mortgages that are bigger than the homes worth.
My Idea is that someone with a $200,000 Mortgage and a house now worth $100,000.
This idea would allow for the mortgage to realign.
Of course, If the family is a married couple, then each would get the $100,000 a piece there by completely freeing them to pay off their mortgage.
This would eliminate a lot of the so called toxic assets. It would also stimulate the economy by encouraging new home purchases by first time buyers, because the money could be used as a down payment or outright purchase of a distressed home.
If the mortgage is in good shape then the money could go to paying down credit card, other debts, Helping Students with college, or just spend on some big ticket items Cars, appliances, home repairs, Vacations.
I was just reading an article that states America has spent approx. 15 Trillion dollars for these bailouts since October 2008.
(That's 15,000,000,000,000)
So I went to census.gov & checked the population clock as of 6/19/09 it was at 306,707,275
so let's do the math:
15 Trillion divided by 306,707,275
equals $489,072.89 in bailout money spent per American.
Here I was only asking for $ 100,000.00
I guess I wasn't greedy enough....
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jun 27, 2009 5:38 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Jun 27, 2009 5:47 AM
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we didn't do our part for the 70% of this economy by not spending what we don't have!!! no thought was really given to the part of no job means no $$ to spend... and what to do while 'waiting for the job sector to return, which as you know, is always last in a recession to recover' (the drivel being fed to people right now)... how are people going to make it for a year or more as things quickly implode all around us???
btw... what are the banksters going to do with all the piled up foreclosed houses they can't give away, the new cars rusting in dealerships, name brands not selling but cheaper store brands doing better for food, people dying from not having the $$ to pay for drugs they depend on for life, malnutrition, homelessness and run out unemployment climbing, just for starters...
at least in the third world countries, most have access to resources of some sort, including a patch of dirt to plunk a tent and maybe a little food donated for kids... we don't even have that the way things are going...
frustrated on how all these economic failure are being dropped into the american people's laps as if it were all our fault for not holding up our 'end of the bargain'...
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 27, 2009 6:04 AM
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The American consumptor should take a note in their personal spending habits and maybe...just maybe...vote for people who will reflect the new, old value of capital conservation.
Ha. Isn't that a riot! Americans vote for credit card government spenders who reflect their own behaviors...
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Posted by: AAWeeble3 on Jun 27, 2009 6:18 AM
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RT
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Posted by: rafaeltoral on Jun 27, 2009 6:31 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Jun 27, 2009 7:34 AM
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Pls. see MSM/NPR/PBS/hollywood for exactly what the are;an accomplice to the crimes.
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Posted by: archivistIII on Jun 27, 2009 8:50 AM
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WE WOULD SPEND IT!!!
WE WOULD GIVE IT TO BANKS!!!!
AND WE WOULD BE OUT OF DEBT!!!
WTF!!!!!!!
The money should have been funnled to us!!
Oh, but if you are on SS you get $250 extra this year!! Yay!
Oh yeah, I get $11 less a week in taxes deducted!! Yay!!
I'm still trying to figure out what to do with that $44; oh, yeah, gasoline.
Meanwhile I have defaulted on every debt except for my home and my spending has ground to a screaching halt. I'm about to cut off my internet, cell phone and I have not purchased a digital converter box so I will not be watching TV.
My hostility (towards government) and that of those around me grows stronger every day.
I think they want this all to crash, that is why they are letting California fail. If California defaults on thier bonds it will spread through the rest of the nation and they will blame us.
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Posted by: ralphzilla on Jun 27, 2009 9:47 AM
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So essentially they can talk a good talk, but have no real abilities to set policy. They have sold their souls to the ones that "brung ya" to the dance. They dance as they are told to dance.
This country has been essentially in secret government, big brother, big bank, big military mode since the 50's. Everything is decided behind closed doors and then implemented by stooges.
This latest bank giveaway- little guy be damned - is just another sad chapter of a once promising democracy gone horribly wrong.
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Posted by: zrants on Jun 27, 2009 4:17 PM
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I told him: Supporting Creative innovation does not mean repeating a failed policy. Creative innovation means replacing it with a better system.
The message we need to send to Congress is that trickle down doesn't work. Those theories got us into this mess. Try a different approach. You bailed out the banks. You bailed out Detroit. Now it is time to bail out the middle class consumer by re-instating the consumer protections laws and protections that were gutted during the past few administrations.
Z
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Posted by: poppaphil2007 on Jun 27, 2009 7:45 PM
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Someone with some balls help me out here, please.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 27, 2009 11:04 PM
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Next time you see a rich-ass fucker on the street, give him the finger and a kick in the butt... with a smile and a thank you for fucking over our country, dammit! It's the least they deserve.
1789.
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Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jun 28, 2009 2:33 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 28, 2009 2:47 AM
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Any more fucking comments about my hat?
Ian
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Posted by: grindermonkey on Jun 28, 2009 7:11 AM
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All a bank has to do is count, it's the math, stupid, and keep the rows and columns separate. All this can be performed at any ATM machine. Why is this job difficult? Why does it require public subsidies on this scale?
Because with the growing poverty more people are having to wear tighter jeans and even an invisible hand has difficulty the zippers.
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 AM
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Fiasco, by its definition is a complete, ludicrous failure. The continuing theft of our money, futures, and lives by the neocons has been a huge success, and will stop only if and when ordinary citizens decide to FIGHT them. Current events aren't all that encouraging, now, are they?
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Jun 28, 2009 1:24 PM
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It's a National Disgrace and Obama's detachment from this daily tragedy is a disgrace and there are 8-9 million more to go..
This is Obama's Katrina X's a magnitude of 1,000 or more..
There is a simple solution that would save the vast majority of people from this trauma and the trauma of eviction..
Just reset these homes at their true current market value, what the bank can sell the house now for anyway and give these people our fellow Americans a fixed rate from 4.5-6% these folks are trying to pay many of them these balloon rates of 11-14% even more...
Why would these corrupt bankers of ours give these people a deal when Obama paid them up front..?
I can't tell you how much this abomination upsets me and the Obama administration is a sham and nothing more than a front for the Banksters that really run it...
From Goldman Sachs to The Bilderberg Group, AIG, Morgan Stanley...et al..that's who runs our country..
These banksers actually dare refer to "Moral Hazard.." can you imagine that swine speaking of what's moral...as if it would be immoral to keep American in the primary housing...
Obama is the Opiate of the Masses...a Judas Goat....and no man of the People, never was...!
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Posted by: KThomas on Jun 28, 2009 4:23 PM
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A large variety of properties and assets on the books are overvalued-- the house that was sold for $800K and sliced up into worldwide bond issues is really worth $450K-- but no one is willing to conduct write-downs before anyone else. The banks (etc) still claim those homes are worth $800K, and are trying to get away with it -- while the bailout money went-- where, to do what?
This is not a problem that can be solved by bailouts-- sure, they restore temporary confidence and provide operating capital,-- but they don't pay down the problem. You have to pull the inflated assets off the books.
The current solution seems like handling an addicted gambler about to be shot by his bookie another loan-- instead of paying his bookie off, he hands the bookie just enough not to get shot, then makes more bets.
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Posted by: cori on Jun 28, 2009 6:30 PM
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I am 60 years old and I have NEVER seen it this bad! Congress has become a useless entity whose only interest is taking bribes at the expense of the lives of the American people! What the hell does homeland security really mean anyway? What a farce! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. We don’t invest our young people, in education and we let our people starve and die in the gutter and die from lack of healthcare. You are immoral beasts! I promise you if this form of economic rape continues we will end up as a poor, sick nation. It a real horror show and you people have no conscience or morality.
The military spends like there is a bottomless pit of money as revenues fall. Trillions are given to Wall Street who committed fraud and then blackmailed the world that is now in a depression as are we – people are in dire straights by the ten’s of thousands and this government makes Cuba look good.
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Posted by: K_for_Kansas on Jun 29, 2009 4:58 AM
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And also a quieting of that giant sucking sound as the financial institutions hoover up the rest of our future ...
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jun 29, 2009 6:20 PM
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Nixon always said U.S. citizens were about as intelligent as a typical 10-year-old child - and just as easy to fool under corporate MSM. With Washington in the pocket of the same felons that own and run the private bank monopoly (“Federal Reserve” Corp that is not federal and has zero reserves) in charge of the economy, it doesn’t take a crystal ball or a even a clue to know what this latest extortion scam is about.
How stupid can Americans be?
Just since 2000 after 2 stolen elections, an acknowledged 9/11 coverup with its phony “war on terror” and $14 trillion stolen – nobody has really organized or complained yet.
Now that is world-class idiocy.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 AM
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Don't fool yourself. The Romans borrowed money. Converting ounces of gold borrowed into todays dollars at 900 dollars an ounce I come up with these numbers. A wealthy Roman once borrowed $7,500,000 for a party. But it wasn't commercial banking. You can kinda think of it as a "big loan shark".
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 30, 2009 12:44 AM
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Savings and Loans had very different reserve requirements. They had to keep a bunch of money sitting in order to cover bad loans. A Savings and Loan could not make loans on anything other than real property. That translates as houses for ordinary people. Bankers could loan on houses but they ordinarily couldn't compete.
The republicans, the RNC, and Ronald Reagan set about to deregulate the Savings and Loans. They told them that they could just do anything that the bankers had always done. They didn't have to keep all of that reserve money in case of loan defaults. They could just go diddle it off. They could loan on boats and cars and do cash, signature, loans on the basis of credit history. They could just go do anything with their money that they wanted. They had given toasters for opening an account.
Deregulation led to excess. The Savings and Loan in Vernon, Texas stopped giving toasters for opening an account and chartered an airliner to Paris. Yes, this is real.
Moreover, the FSLIC and/or the FDIC guaranteed depositors accounts up to 100,000 dollars. Then they really discovered something. A bank or savings and loan could often be had for 2 1/2 million. But the deposits were usually greater than 20 million. Why sit and run this thing for the measley interest income? Steal the 20 million instead. So they would hire a genuine criminal to work as a manager or a loan officer. They would let him steal a little. Careful documentation would insure he could be caught by legitimate bank examiner. They promptly began the thieft of the depositors money.
They would steal 20, 50, 150, 250 million or more. The taxpayer through the FSLIC or the FDIC reimbursed the depositor. The government, the Reagan administration, turned a blind eye. They did this for a reason. The guys that stole this money became big Reagan supporters. This has been the basis for the big republican growth period for the last 20-30 years. It was stolen money.
Had the Savings and Loans been protected the current housing boom and bust most likely wouldn't have happened. In the first place the Savings and Loans were required by law to provide their own internal protection from going bust. In the second case they just didn't give money away. You had to show 10% down. They just never loaned more that 90% of appraised value.
THE BANKERS, THE RNC, AND RONALD REAGAN CAUSED THE CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS. Not even George Bush gets the blame. Although he did nothing to stop it. Obama inherited this. One of the eventual solutions might be to study the structure of the Savings and Loans and reinstate them.
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Posted by: Kachina on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 AM
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When we started thinking, Global Village and Corporations sent our JOBS overseas, that was the second biggest mistake from our Nations Leaders! BRING AMERICAN CORPORATIONS HOME OR PUT THEM ON TRAIL FOR TREASON!!Or, KICK THEM OUT OF AMERICA! THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS, in my opinion!
When we allowed Uncle Sam to spend our money as they saw fit, that was the third mistake! Every decision should be voted on by THE PEOPLE, now, because it is evident we CAN NOT TRUST OUR LEADERS TO MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES FOR US, literally!
I am so angry at what our Corporate and Government Leaders are doing to America(n's), I could scream! I am a Mother of Two and Grandmother of Five and it terrifies me to think of what my Grand-children are going to have to do to survive in this world!! That's if NOTHING happens on December 21st 2012!
I KNOW 9/11 was an inside job. I KNOW it in my GUT! Bush and Gang started the takeover of America long before that date, but now, for the most wealthy people in America to rip off TRILLIONS, from their own brothers and sisters??? OMG! May they rot in hades for the sins they have committed against us all...
President Obama was our hope to change it all. My hope is slowly dying....too much damage has been done...
For all those that are suffering today...may God Save You because it is clear, Uncle Sam WILL NOT!
WE THE PEOPLE, are a dying race. AMERICA is dying. The Powers that Be are chipping away our rights, freedom's, financial security, homes, education, medical rights and worst of all, Life On Earth, to the point FEW want to live on this planet, anymore. It is not a blessing to be born, anymore, it is a blessing to die and get the freak off this planet. We are born into servitude beyond our wildest dreams, for life, now.
Only the Strong will survive and the sharks are in an eating frenzy, and we are their Food!
Kachina
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Posted by: audrey on Jul 7, 2009 1:54 PM
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Now with 2 million more foreclosures slated to hit the market before the end of the year, I am wondering what our illustrious leader plans next.
But I guess what amazes me most is the complacency of the American people. If people are not aware that Obama is working for the bankers and not the people by now, they never will be. When many more people are homeless and starving, it just might be too late.
I have much respect for the Iranian people who were willing to stand up by the millions to make a statement about the corruption in their country.
The American banking system is behind the collapse of the world economy and we do nothing!
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Simple Home Loan Modifications
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