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Gas Pump Thievery: Who's Really Behind the Rising Prices at the Pumps?
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Like a Fourth of July crescendo of fireworks, our gasoline prices are rising higher and higher. While this is tough on consumers, we're assured by a covey of tongue-clucking industry analysts that nothing can be done about it, for it's simply the law of supply and demand in action -- so suck it up, and pay up.
But hold your BPExxonMobilShellChevron horses right there. Supply and demand? The supply of crude oil has risen this year to its highest level in nearly two decades, even while the demand for gasoline has dropped dramatically, having fallen this month to a 10-year low. Let's see -- supply up, demand down. That's a classic market formula for cheaper prices at the pump. Yet our prices have steadily moved up, rising by two-thirds since the beginning of the year (and by 60 cents a gallon in the past two months alone).
What's going on here is not the "magic of the marketplace," but some hocus-pocus by brand-name dealers. What might surprise you, though, is that the wheeler-dealers now jacking up our pump prices don't operate under the BPExxonMobilShellChevron brands -- but the logos of Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and other Wall Street traders that have been placing vast, unregulated, secretive bets on the future price of oil. They're playing an electronic casino game in a global "dark market" of exotic derivatives and credit swaps.
If this sounds vaguely familiar to you, it's because this is the same game that Wall Street played with subprime mortgages, leading to the present crash of our economy. And, yes, these are the exact same banksters that you and I are presently bailing out with our trillions of tax dollars.
Yet, there they go again. By pooling money from sheltered hedge funds, sovereign state funds, offshore accounts and other super-wealthy investors, speculators like Goldman and Morgan have quietly been buying trillions of dollars worth of oil derivatives -- which essentially are bets that oil prices will rise to a certain level by a certain date.
Unlike those investors who actually purchase contracts for future delivery of oil, there is no limit on how much money these gamblers can put into the oil market. Nor do they have to report to anyone how much they have bet, even though their massive infusion of money is totally and artificially distorting the real value of petroleum.
As CNBC television's top energy correspondent, Sharon Epperson, reported last month, "It's this money flow -- rather than the fundamental supply-demand data -- that's driving oil prices higher."
Why is this allowed? Because the Commodity Futures' Modernization Act of 2000 included a provision that was quietly tucked into the law by then-Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, specifically prohibiting any regulation of such commodity-based derivatives. Among the enthusiastic backers of this legalized thievery were Robert Rubin, the Wall Streeter who was Bill Clinton's treasury secretary, and his protege, Larry Summers, who is now Barack Obama's chief economic advisor.
This bipartisan cabal created a speculative mechanism that's presently sucking money out of your pocket with every gallon of gas you pump. Meanwhile, every dollar that Goldman, Morgan and the rest use to inflate oil prices is a dollar they are not investing in real economic activity that could create middle-class jobs.
Of course, Wall Street culprits are trying to keep their involvement hush-hush. When a McClatchy newspaper reporter approached Goldman Sachs about it, the response was terse: "Goldman Sachs declines to comment for your story."
As Woody Guthrie wrote in a song about outlaws: "Some'll rob you with a six-gun/Some with a fountain pen." It's time to regulate Wall Street's gas-pump thievery -- and to put a few of the perpetrators in jail.
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Posted by: trusetufree on Jun 25, 2009 3:03 AM
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with the banksters,it will take
mass-Iran like demostrations to stop
this people.It was them who got this economy we have now.
With the weak the economy stand today
this will be what will break the back
of the camel.
Fuck,wall streeters.Hang them!
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Posted by: Old Horse Being Put Out To Pasture on Jun 25, 2009 3:09 AM
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Why is it that no-one is ever crying bloody murder and conspiracy when oil prices go actually down?
So why not come out and say what the "fair price" at the pump would be and propose a cool plan to "set" that price? Would government-guaranteed fair prices be suitable? Of course, that would be like putting 110V to ground - the fritzy sound of a crashing economy is never far behind that kind of ham-fisted intervention (cf. the Great Depression for what happens when someone goes Hoover on the marketplace)
Now, how _exactly_ are those devious derivative generators influencing the current oil price? Maybe they are also creating unrest in Iran and general uncertainty in the pipeline wars? Come to think of it, with all those dollars freshly off the printing presses sloshing around, maybe it's just inflation finally picking up. At least _I_ would demand a premium for payment in dollars, seeing as just maybe tomorrow I can use them as cat litter or something.
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» You seem to be very happy with your lobotomy.
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» Did you read the article?
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Posted by: ProfBob on Jun 25, 2009 3:12 AM
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» BOB, JIM HIGHTOWER'S ARTICLE WAS ABOUT SPECULATORS. THE QUESTION GOT CHANGED.
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» The Declining US Dollar thing is BS. The crude oil/pump price spread has been at historic highs...
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Jun 25, 2009 4:27 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 25, 2009 5:21 AM
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Just as the Oil& NG recovered under Our property is really that of the US, so will be the land used for Wind and solar Farms.
Iraq has begun bidding on their Oil Fields after 30 yrs of national Ownership- as Rachel Maddow so aptly put it last night "Mission Accomplished?"
The majority of lands these corps use to get the 'wares' they sell are Ours, they are merely given leases which can be easily revoked. They have not only done No Favors for this privildge they have neglected and abused the property they were granted. these Corps need to be evicted and WE the People afforded the Right to operate in the Free market from the producer/supplier/vendor side of the table. Our Founders guaranteed the Ctiizens of this country that Right and freedom- no such concession was ever written in for those Family Crests we now call Logos.
"Inalienable Rights" include access to energy, food, shelter,education and healthcare,aka "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness", These private Corps, their speculating interlopers and a good number of so called Public Servants have violated the most fundemental edicts of this Country by prohibiting Easy access to these Resouces.They have caused access to be blocked due to uniformly inflated pricing and Barricaded 'We the People' from being able to provide them to our citizens as Competition in the market place.
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» American veteran? You're the reason gas prices are a phoney.
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Posted by: chrysalis124812 on Jun 25, 2009 6:35 AM
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Followed by the state park, and the national park. People, we are not helpless.
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Posted by: rchapin8391 on Jun 25, 2009 6:43 AM
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Posted by: Ranjit Kumar on Jun 25, 2009 7:05 AM
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Posted by: ahmlco on Jun 25, 2009 7:21 AM
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Banks invest in order to pay interest on accounts. Insurance companies invest to pay premiums. Brokerages invest to increase IRAs, 401Ks, and retirement accounts.
And personally, I think gas prices SHOULD be high. We need to move to more efficient vehicles and to vehicles powered by renewable sources. We spend billions of dollars every year to import oil. We need to reduce that deficit, reduce our dependance, and, in the process, keep THAT money for ourselves.
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Posted by: dover23 on Jun 25, 2009 8:16 AM
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Among the enthusiastic backers of this legalized thievery were Robert Rubin, the Wall Streeter who was Bill Clinton's treasury secretary, and his protege, Larry Summers, who is now Barack Obama's chief economic advisor.
Since Summers is backing the thieves and Obama is backing Summers, is Hightower pushing for impeachment?
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» How about pitchforks and torches on Wall Street and at your national bank branch.
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Posted by: KAvatar on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 AM
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Saudi Arabia /0.50
Malaysia /0.71
Qatar /1.14
UAE /1.70
USA /2.97
Bahrain /3.32
Lebanon /4.60
Canada /5.18
Czech Republic 5.27
Japan /5.32
Pakistan 5.36
South Africa 5.41
Nepal /5.73
India /5.77
SriLanka 6.64
New Zealand 7.05
Switzerland 7.52
Australia 7.64
Sweden /8.13
Singapore 8.23
Finland /9.45
Poland /9.64
Germany /9.68
UK /10.41
Holland /10.45
Italy /10.86
Denmark /10.95
Apparently it seems that US populous is enjoying relatively inexpensive Gas even after importing major chunk of - 60% ?? - it.
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» Euro countries keep prices artificially high via taxation
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Posted by: billwald on Jun 25, 2009 8:58 AM
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In the same way, the gas retailers should raise their gas prices until their net profit begins to fall. It doesn't have anything to with the wholesale price of petrol any more than the seat price in a movie depends upon the lease price for the reel of film.
Americans were buying lots of gas at $3/gal.
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 25, 2009 9:17 AM
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The oil giants were a little bit more timid then, since they knew there was a possibility of anti-trust lawsuits, so they came up with a phony OPEC "embargo", orchestrated from Houston, of course. (Remember Poppie bush?)
The embargo scam might have been a little more plausible if it weren't for the fact that there were several tankers laying-to offshore, waiting to offload crude, purchased at the OLD price.
The oil bigwigs laughed stuff like this off by explaining ordinary people were too dim-witted to understand the complexities of market forces, etc., etc.
They don't even bother with lame explanations, nowadays. They just rip us off at will, and if you don't like it, lump it. They've bought off enough of our fearless "leaders" to be invincible, and their theft is as in-your-face outrageous as ever I have seen in my entire life. In otherwords, they OWN us, now.
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Posted by: thekidde on Jun 25, 2009 9:48 AM
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Posted by: whealeydj on Jun 25, 2009 10:35 AM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 25, 2009 12:08 PM
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Lets start by refreshing our memories. Firstly currencies fluctuate daily. It is smarter to talk ranges rather than specifics. When Clinton left office the Euro was trading in a range of about 86 to 89 cents per each. By the time Bush left office the Euro was trading from a 1.32 to 1.36 per each. I think I remember as high as 1.42. The Euro is one of the worlds strong currencies.
Using these numbers and best case and worst senarios I get the following. Best case says that the dollar dropped 48 percent. The worst case shows that the dollar dropped by 58%. If you think that the dollar didn't drop by half, you are probably fooling yourself.
Do you think that OPEC is going to take the same number of reduced value dollars for a barrel of oil? They will and do want a doubled number of dollars to offset the halved value of the dollar. Do you want to find who the culprit might be? Just look for who might stand to gain from a cheaper dollar.
What if you were buying dollars? Would you want them to be cheap of expensive? Who would be buying dollars? Do U. S. multinationals buy dollars when they re-patriate monies made in the world market? Do they bring in Euros and deposit them in U.S. banks? Are the U. S. based oil companies really multinationals? Will Exxon-Mobil profit from a cheap dollar?
I'm not sure you need me any more. I think you have at least seen the monitarist side of things. There are other factors.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 25, 2009 12:12 PM
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And I 100% agree!
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 25, 2009 12:39 PM
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Obama has a real problem. Perhaps it is best seen as a dilemna. These selfsame criminal bankers will be selling the government bonds Obama must have to pull us out of the recession/depression we are already in. They may have caused it but the bankers are already into us for so much that it appears that we must have them to save ourselves.
Note that when Bill Clinton announced that he was preparing a plan to pay off the national debt, there was a Wall Street response. Alan Greenspan admitted that he knew he had to stop him. If the debt were paid off Wall Street would loose its grip on the federal government.
This is in the for what its worth department. Do you know what Obama did to pay off his college debt when he graduated from Columbia? He worked as a bond salesman in New York city. Yes, he knows.
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» The Federal Reserve Cartel was unconstitutionally estab'd. to codify corporatist control our govt
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» Go take your meds!! The FED has nothing to do with oil prices
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» Cult Marxist LOONY claims "Fed has nothing to do with oil prices" (L.O.L)
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Posted by: Geonomist on Jun 25, 2009 12:48 PM
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Posted by: inverse_agonist on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM
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Supply is up, demand is down due to everyone being broke. Oil prices remain high because people are betting on future oil price increases.
Well, I'd imagine that lots of money is being bet on oil price increases because oil prices are bound to increase sharply. While it's true that oil production remains high, it's also true that oil wells are being rapidly depleted. The amount of energy needed to produce the oil we're producing now is more than the energy needed to produce the oil we produced "two decades" ago. The energy costs of oil production will continue to increase, no matter what investors do.
There may be short term ups and downs in response to economic growth/decline, international politics, or whatever, but the long-term trend in oil/gas prices is upwards. That cannot be changed.
It would be in our best interest as a society to prepare for a lower-energy future with a less luxurious lifestyle, but instead we'll ignore this problem to the limits of cognitive dissonance.
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Posted by: trusetufree on Jun 25, 2009 3:03 AM
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with the banksters,it will take
mass-Iran like demostrations to stop
this people.It was them who got this economy we have now.
With the weak the economy stand today
this will be what will break the back
of the camel.
Fuck,wall streeters.Hang them!
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Posted by: Old Horse Being Put Out To Pasture on Jun 25, 2009 3:09 AM
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Why is it that no-one is ever crying bloody murder and conspiracy when oil prices go actually down?
So why not come out and say what the "fair price" at the pump would be and propose a cool plan to "set" that price? Would government-guaranteed fair prices be suitable? Of course, that would be like putting 110V to ground - the fritzy sound of a crashing economy is never far behind that kind of ham-fisted intervention (cf. the Great Depression for what happens when someone goes Hoover on the marketplace)
Now, how _exactly_ are those devious derivative generators influencing the current oil price? Maybe they are also creating unrest in Iran and general uncertainty in the pipeline wars? Come to think of it, with all those dollars freshly off the printing presses sloshing around, maybe it's just inflation finally picking up. At least _I_ would demand a premium for payment in dollars, seeing as just maybe tomorrow I can use them as cat litter or something.
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» You seem to be very happy with your lobotomy.
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» RE: Not again the oil prices conspiracy confabulation
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» Did you read the article?
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» BOB, JIM HIGHTOWER'S ARTICLE WAS ABOUT SPECULATORS. THE QUESTION GOT CHANGED.
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» The Declining US Dollar thing is BS. The crude oil/pump price spread has been at historic highs...
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 25, 2009 5:21 AM
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Just as the Oil& NG recovered under Our property is really that of the US, so will be the land used for Wind and solar Farms.
Iraq has begun bidding on their Oil Fields after 30 yrs of national Ownership- as Rachel Maddow so aptly put it last night "Mission Accomplished?"
The majority of lands these corps use to get the 'wares' they sell are Ours, they are merely given leases which can be easily revoked. They have not only done No Favors for this privildge they have neglected and abused the property they were granted. these Corps need to be evicted and WE the People afforded the Right to operate in the Free market from the producer/supplier/vendor side of the table. Our Founders guaranteed the Ctiizens of this country that Right and freedom- no such concession was ever written in for those Family Crests we now call Logos.
"Inalienable Rights" include access to energy, food, shelter,education and healthcare,aka "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness", These private Corps, their speculating interlopers and a good number of so called Public Servants have violated the most fundemental edicts of this Country by prohibiting Easy access to these Resouces.They have caused access to be blocked due to uniformly inflated pricing and Barricaded 'We the People' from being able to provide them to our citizens as Competition in the market place.
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» American veteran? You're the reason gas prices are a phoney.
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» Thank you Ranjit. AV is a mental case and has been a Joe the Plumber Obamabot.
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Posted by: chrysalis124812 on Jun 25, 2009 6:35 AM
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Followed by the state park, and the national park. People, we are not helpless.
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Posted by: ahmlco on Jun 25, 2009 7:21 AM
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Banks invest in order to pay interest on accounts. Insurance companies invest to pay premiums. Brokerages invest to increase IRAs, 401Ks, and retirement accounts.
And personally, I think gas prices SHOULD be high. We need to move to more efficient vehicles and to vehicles powered by renewable sources. We spend billions of dollars every year to import oil. We need to reduce that deficit, reduce our dependance, and, in the process, keep THAT money for ourselves.
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Posted by: dover23 on Jun 25, 2009 8:16 AM
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Among the enthusiastic backers of this legalized thievery were Robert Rubin, the Wall Streeter who was Bill Clinton's treasury secretary, and his protege, Larry Summers, who is now Barack Obama's chief economic advisor.
Since Summers is backing the thieves and Obama is backing Summers, is Hightower pushing for impeachment?
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» How about pitchforks and torches on Wall Street and at your national bank branch.
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Posted by: KAvatar on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 AM
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Saudi Arabia /0.50
Malaysia /0.71
Qatar /1.14
UAE /1.70
USA /2.97
Bahrain /3.32
Lebanon /4.60
Canada /5.18
Czech Republic 5.27
Japan /5.32
Pakistan 5.36
South Africa 5.41
Nepal /5.73
India /5.77
SriLanka 6.64
New Zealand 7.05
Switzerland 7.52
Australia 7.64
Sweden /8.13
Singapore 8.23
Finland /9.45
Poland /9.64
Germany /9.68
UK /10.41
Holland /10.45
Italy /10.86
Denmark /10.95
Apparently it seems that US populous is enjoying relatively inexpensive Gas even after importing major chunk of - 60% ?? - it.
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Posted by: billwald on Jun 25, 2009 8:58 AM
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In the same way, the gas retailers should raise their gas prices until their net profit begins to fall. It doesn't have anything to with the wholesale price of petrol any more than the seat price in a movie depends upon the lease price for the reel of film.
Americans were buying lots of gas at $3/gal.
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 25, 2009 9:17 AM
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The oil giants were a little bit more timid then, since they knew there was a possibility of anti-trust lawsuits, so they came up with a phony OPEC "embargo", orchestrated from Houston, of course. (Remember Poppie bush?)
The embargo scam might have been a little more plausible if it weren't for the fact that there were several tankers laying-to offshore, waiting to offload crude, purchased at the OLD price.
The oil bigwigs laughed stuff like this off by explaining ordinary people were too dim-witted to understand the complexities of market forces, etc., etc.
They don't even bother with lame explanations, nowadays. They just rip us off at will, and if you don't like it, lump it. They've bought off enough of our fearless "leaders" to be invincible, and their theft is as in-your-face outrageous as ever I have seen in my entire life. In otherwords, they OWN us, now.
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Posted by: whealeydj on Jun 25, 2009 10:35 AM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 25, 2009 12:08 PM
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Lets start by refreshing our memories. Firstly currencies fluctuate daily. It is smarter to talk ranges rather than specifics. When Clinton left office the Euro was trading in a range of about 86 to 89 cents per each. By the time Bush left office the Euro was trading from a 1.32 to 1.36 per each. I think I remember as high as 1.42. The Euro is one of the worlds strong currencies.
Using these numbers and best case and worst senarios I get the following. Best case says that the dollar dropped 48 percent. The worst case shows that the dollar dropped by 58%. If you think that the dollar didn't drop by half, you are probably fooling yourself.
Do you think that OPEC is going to take the same number of reduced value dollars for a barrel of oil? They will and do want a doubled number of dollars to offset the halved value of the dollar. Do you want to find who the culprit might be? Just look for who might stand to gain from a cheaper dollar.
What if you were buying dollars? Would you want them to be cheap of expensive? Who would be buying dollars? Do U. S. multinationals buy dollars when they re-patriate monies made in the world market? Do they bring in Euros and deposit them in U.S. banks? Are the U. S. based oil companies really multinationals? Will Exxon-Mobil profit from a cheap dollar?
I'm not sure you need me any more. I think you have at least seen the monitarist side of things. There are other factors.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 25, 2009 12:12 PM
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And I 100% agree!
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 25, 2009 12:39 PM
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Obama has a real problem. Perhaps it is best seen as a dilemna. These selfsame criminal bankers will be selling the government bonds Obama must have to pull us out of the recession/depression we are already in. They may have caused it but the bankers are already into us for so much that it appears that we must have them to save ourselves.
Note that when Bill Clinton announced that he was preparing a plan to pay off the national debt, there was a Wall Street response. Alan Greenspan admitted that he knew he had to stop him. If the debt were paid off Wall Street would loose its grip on the federal government.
This is in the for what its worth department. Do you know what Obama did to pay off his college debt when he graduated from Columbia? He worked as a bond salesman in New York city. Yes, he knows.
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Posted by: Geonomist on Jun 25, 2009 12:48 PM
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Posted by: inverse_agonist on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM
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Supply is up, demand is down due to everyone being broke. Oil prices remain high because people are betting on future oil price increases.
Well, I'd imagine that lots of money is being bet on oil price increases because oil prices are bound to increase sharply. While it's true that oil production remains high, it's also true that oil wells are being rapidly depleted. The amount of energy needed to produce the oil we're producing now is more than the energy needed to produce the oil we produced "two decades" ago. The energy costs of oil production will continue to increase, no matter what investors do.
There may be short term ups and downs in response to economic growth/decline, international politics, or whatever, but the long-term trend in oil/gas prices is upwards. That cannot be changed.
It would be in our best interest as a society to prepare for a lower-energy future with a less luxurious lifestyle, but instead we'll ignore this problem to the limits of cognitive dissonance.
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