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Union Busting Ended My Love Affair with a Beer
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Over many years, I have developed an intimate relationship with the sweet, lager taste of Yuengling Black & Tan. After moving to the cutthroat world of Washington, D.C. politics, I found that Yuengling always comforted me with memories of my working class roots and the world of flannel hunting jackets, wedding receptions at union halls, 4th of July barbecues, and tailgate parties that represented my native Western Pennsylvania. I took pride in introducing my friends to this beauty of a beer—cheap, delicious, and made by union workers back home in Pennsylvania. Women had come and gone, dogs had died, but Yuengling had always been there for me - until now.
This past weekend when I discovered that Yuengling had illegally busted their union, I was emotionally devastated. I had just bought a case of Yuengling earlier that same day and had it sitting at home in the refrigerator waiting for me. What would I do? I was broke and couldn't possibly afford to buy another case of beer, but at the same time I couldn't possibly enjoy drinking a Yuengling knowing what they had done to their workers. So instead, I found myself at home, watching a baseball game on a Saturday night, and enjoying a nice, cold glass of milk as I struggled to deal with how Yuengling had betrayed not only its workers, but me.
Quickly I found my outrage shifting from beyond Yuengling to the lack of U.S. labor law protecting workers from such abusive, unfair practices. It turns out that the company had petitioned for a decertification election to kick the union out of the brewery when the contract of the union expired. Dick Yuengling, the owner of Yuengling Brewery, gathered all the workers and told them that "the writing was on the wall". He said that if they didn't vote to kick the union out, he would close the plant, and ship the work to a non-union facility in the South. The workers, scared of losing their job in a region with high unemployment, voted to ditch their union and save their jobs.
While threatening to close a plant if a union wins such an election is highly illegal, the Yuengling Company has been able to get away with due to the weakness of U.S. labor law. According to a study recently released by Kate Bronfenbrenner of Cornell University, employers threaten to close facilities in 57% of union elections if workers choose a union, despite the fact that this threat is carried out only 2% of the time. This is because under U.S. labor law the penalty for threatening to close plants or firing workers during a union election is that the boss merely has to post a piece of paper saying they broke the law.
As one longtime union organizer once put it to me "If the penalty for robbing a bank was you had to post a piece of paper saying you robbed a bank, we’d all be bank robbers!"
Under current U.S. Labor Law, employers can freely violate the law without serious penalty. As a result, workers are fired from their job in 34% of union elections and companies illegally threaten to close a facility in 57% of all union elections. In this economy, losing one's job is tantamount not just to losing more than just a job, but also to losing home to foreclosure and more gravely - one's health insurance. As a result of the ability of bosses to freely intimidate with such Gestapo-style tactics, 58% percent of workers indicate they would like to join a union, but only 8% of private sector employees are members of one out of the fear of what their bosses might do to them for trying to join a union.
The Employee Free Choice Act would give U.S. labor law real teeth - leveling heavy fines against employees who unlawfully intimidate or threaten workers. The Employee Free Choice Act would allow workers to join unions free of intimidation a process of majority sign where workers merely would have to get 50% of their co-workers to sign a card to be part of a union.
Currently, The biggest obstacle to the passing the Employee Free Choice Act is quite ironically the very Senator who represents the workers at Yuengling Brewing - "Democrat" Arlen Specter. Quite ironically, Arlen Specter, who had in previous years voted for the Employee Free Choice Act, has fallen victim to the same type of corporate intimidation and flipped his position to being against the Employee Free Choice Act. Its time that Arlen Specter show solidarity with the 20,000 workers that are fired every year for attempting to join a union. Arlen Specter needs to vote for the Employee Free Choice Act, which would protect the rights of workers to freely join unions that the overwhelming majority of his constituents favor especially the once unionized workers of a once dear friend - Yuengling.
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Posted by: RSR on Jun 17, 2009 4:11 PM
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Then Rolling Rock gets acquired and moved out of state!
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Posted by: progressive-life on Jun 17, 2009 5:52 PM
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Better to have a job without a union then have no job!
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 18, 2009 12:21 AM
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2. The union no longer being there has not hurt the workers. They still enjoy 100% medical coverage, and received raises in an economic environment where most union employees are taking cuts in both pay and benefits.
3. The only people who were hurt by this action are: The teamsters, who long ago, stopped defending the rights of workers, but still claim they do.
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» Wasn't Yuengling bluffing? Maybe the union shouldn't have folded.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 19, 2009 2:55 AM
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I think most of us when we think about unions, think first of Teamsters corruption and violence. Then the extremely abusive cops' and firefighters' unions. Then the UAW that helped destroy the domestic auto industry (although yes, that was mostly management's doing). Then, the mostly utterly useless teachers. After that, probably the abusive and goldbricking transit and tolltaker unions in so many places (huge backlash against them here in Boston lately - who else gets a pension after 23 years of service?!?). Lastly, AFSCME (sp?)... well they're not on anybody's list of those classic somewhat dangerous, grimy jobs that unions were created for.
If there are a few factory workers here and there who are still unionized... yes, I guess we tend to forget about them.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jun 19, 2009 5:00 AM
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Longtime scrutiny of alcohol companies will reveal that their money goes into advertising to workers, but little or none into charity.
The stereotype of the hard-drinking, cig-puffing Marlboro Man wannabe has destroyed families and worker financial independence, while it devastates the health of the wannabe.
I'm all for some Men's Lib from this destructive pattern. Spend the beer money on a future with some health, independence, and maybe a retirement--don't piss it into the sewer lines.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jun 19, 2009 5:00 AM
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And yet they keep talking about Family Values. This is not about Pro-Life and Family Values, it IS the exact opposite. It is about destroying the Family and using economics and corporate thuggery and economic welfare for the rich. This is what St. Reagan and the GOP are all about, deregulation and no regulation, no matter who is hurt or killed.
The two entities who keep the GOP in power, the Catholic Church(my religion) and the evangelical fundies(not all evangelicals) are at the very center of this huge power struggle. This IS not culture war it is totally about class warfare and their endless greed and corruption for power and wealth for the few, themselves.
That is why I keep saying there is nothing Pro-life or Family Values about this entire travesty.
This is akin to what is going on in Iran. The Religious leaders are against the people and hell bent on keeping there power/control over people. Here in America the very same struggle is and has been going on since Falwell and Pope John Paul II put Reagan into the WH over our most moral prez ever, Jimmy Carter. Mr. Carters only problem was that he was not vicious enough to tackle the power abusers conflated with the GOP, the party of hate.
In eastern Pa.(diocese of Scranton) the Catholic Church is attacking it's employees for asking for more wages. And I can guarantee that Catholic Church employees are paid well below the average wage earner in America. That was true in the days of my Catholic education and it is still true to this day.
It is of little wonder that the Church aligns so well with the GOP. This is all due to the rich and powerful's absolute belief in the Divine Right of Kings, the divine right of the rich and powerful, be they Big Business ideologues or Big Religious ideologues. There is no difference between them. There is no difference between the rich and powerful of the Big Business world or the rich and powerful of the Big Religions here in America.
It is a different story in Europe where Big Religion(the Catholic Church) has little power due to Europeans remembering that the Church was aligned with Hitler and his Nazis. That is why the pope his hierarchy is trying to gain power here in America. If he succeeds he will then attack Europe, once again. The GOP has promised the Church hierarchy the very same thing Hitler did, power. The Church will never rest until it has Catholicised the entire world, or destroyed it.
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Jun 19, 2009 6:04 AM
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I live in Milwaukee, I am going shopping today for that great beer.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jun 19, 2009 6:46 AM
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Well there was the crooked land deal that one of the leaders in my father's union brokered and cut into my dad's pension fund, but that is water under the bridge now.
Fast forward to today. The organization I work for just became 100% union free (one factory out of dozens of locations was union). The only people who can say that things were better before the union was "busted" were the people who no longer have jobs with the company.
Who are those people who lost their jobs? The guy who got paid $18 an hour to work 2 hours out of his 8 hour day when a mess needed to be cleaned up. The five guys who got paid to cover breaks, each of whom only worked about 3 hours out of the day. The 3 security guards who took turns pressing a button to let the trucks in. These and other jobs that existed only as relics of the union days when people got paid to stand around and drink coffee.
It is always a sad thing to see people get let go from a job but the simple fact is that this particular factory could operate without these individuals. The workers actually earn more now because their union dues are gone. Their benefits are just as good, if not better now without the union. They get baseline pay raises in addition to merit increases. The relationship between workers and management is no longer so poisonous.
They also enjoy the benefits of working in a meritocracy. Upward mobility exists. A man who started out running a piece of machinery on the production line 7 years ago is a plant manager in Tennessee now. A man who was a forklift driver 5 years ago became a logistics manager in Maine. A woman who checked trucks in and entered data for a living 5 years ago is a manager in IS/IT. This doesn't happen when you work for a union shop.
Yes, unions can be good. Sometimes they are just unnecessary. I'm not sure which is the case here with Yeungling.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 19, 2009 7:01 AM
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Once they are fired their only recourse is to hire legal counsel out of pocket, if they feel their termination was unjustified.
And as this economy continues its slide into the Third World, CEO's are busily outsourcing even even white-collar, cubicle-mole positions to India.
Poor little rugged-individualists.
Join or parish, cubicle-moles. You're nothing but fungible labor anyway.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 19, 2009 8:23 AM
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p.s. It would have been perfectly o.k. to drink the case you already had. It was bought and paid for, the company already made the profit. So you could have enjoyed it guilt free, knowing that you no longer intend to purchase them in the future.
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Posted by: Joeraider on Jun 19, 2009 8:40 AM
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Posted by: orftc on Jun 19, 2009 10:06 AM
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A union isn't some distant entity that represents your cause in exchange for dues, like the ACLU, and it isn't a service provider, like an insurance company.
It's YOU working together with your coworkers to make sure you have a voice at work and in government. In the best of cases, it's also a way for YOU to help improve your wider community by actually engaging in community-building.
People have forgotten this. All the propaganda we're fed about go-it-on-your-own, self-made billionaires and crap like that is part of the problem. It's eaten away at our unions from both the outside and the inside. Even so, it's ultimately our own responsibility to decide whether we give a crap about our co-workers and whether we see common cause with them.
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Posted by: biff777 on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 AM
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I'm still waiting for my stock options, after being TOLD to sign a piece of paper promising full employment and stock options after 9 months. This was after flat out firing of the temps at Amazon after the Microsoft loss of their battle with subcontractors/temps.
Thank you General Employment in Seattle for helping in the problem then...NOT.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 19, 2009 3:37 PM
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*applause**
thank you!
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 19, 2009 8:38 PM
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I learned to hate Coors when they turned on Ward Churchill. Ward is not particularly subtle. As an American indian Ward is just righteously pissed that the white man has been telling him what and how to think for generations. I grew up with the Kiowa. I tend to believe that the Indian deserves to be able to speak his mind with complete freedom. Coors seems to believe that only Coors has the right to speak his mind freely. He uses his money to achieve that.
He won't use mine.
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Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 20, 2009 8:01 AM
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The troubles at Yungeling seem like small change compare to what Coors brewing is all about.
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Posted by: Makaainana on Jun 22, 2009 9:57 AM
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The answer to the employer is we will come to work. We will do a good job, and we will join a union.
There should have been a big union publicity push.
I wonder if the union failed the workers more than the owners?
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Posted by: RSR on Jun 17, 2009 4:11 PM
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Then Rolling Rock gets acquired and moved out of state!
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Posted by: progressive-life on Jun 17, 2009 5:52 PM
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Better to have a job without a union then have no job!
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 18, 2009 12:21 AM
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2. The union no longer being there has not hurt the workers. They still enjoy 100% medical coverage, and received raises in an economic environment where most union employees are taking cuts in both pay and benefits.
3. The only people who were hurt by this action are: The teamsters, who long ago, stopped defending the rights of workers, but still claim they do.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 19, 2009 2:55 AM
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I think most of us when we think about unions, think first of Teamsters corruption and violence. Then the extremely abusive cops' and firefighters' unions. Then the UAW that helped destroy the domestic auto industry (although yes, that was mostly management's doing). Then, the mostly utterly useless teachers. After that, probably the abusive and goldbricking transit and tolltaker unions in so many places (huge backlash against them here in Boston lately - who else gets a pension after 23 years of service?!?). Lastly, AFSCME (sp?)... well they're not on anybody's list of those classic somewhat dangerous, grimy jobs that unions were created for.
If there are a few factory workers here and there who are still unionized... yes, I guess we tend to forget about them.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jun 19, 2009 5:00 AM
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Longtime scrutiny of alcohol companies will reveal that their money goes into advertising to workers, but little or none into charity.
The stereotype of the hard-drinking, cig-puffing Marlboro Man wannabe has destroyed families and worker financial independence, while it devastates the health of the wannabe.
I'm all for some Men's Lib from this destructive pattern. Spend the beer money on a future with some health, independence, and maybe a retirement--don't piss it into the sewer lines.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jun 19, 2009 5:00 AM
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And yet they keep talking about Family Values. This is not about Pro-Life and Family Values, it IS the exact opposite. It is about destroying the Family and using economics and corporate thuggery and economic welfare for the rich. This is what St. Reagan and the GOP are all about, deregulation and no regulation, no matter who is hurt or killed.
The two entities who keep the GOP in power, the Catholic Church(my religion) and the evangelical fundies(not all evangelicals) are at the very center of this huge power struggle. This IS not culture war it is totally about class warfare and their endless greed and corruption for power and wealth for the few, themselves.
That is why I keep saying there is nothing Pro-life or Family Values about this entire travesty.
This is akin to what is going on in Iran. The Religious leaders are against the people and hell bent on keeping there power/control over people. Here in America the very same struggle is and has been going on since Falwell and Pope John Paul II put Reagan into the WH over our most moral prez ever, Jimmy Carter. Mr. Carters only problem was that he was not vicious enough to tackle the power abusers conflated with the GOP, the party of hate.
In eastern Pa.(diocese of Scranton) the Catholic Church is attacking it's employees for asking for more wages. And I can guarantee that Catholic Church employees are paid well below the average wage earner in America. That was true in the days of my Catholic education and it is still true to this day.
It is of little wonder that the Church aligns so well with the GOP. This is all due to the rich and powerful's absolute belief in the Divine Right of Kings, the divine right of the rich and powerful, be they Big Business ideologues or Big Religious ideologues. There is no difference between them. There is no difference between the rich and powerful of the Big Business world or the rich and powerful of the Big Religions here in America.
It is a different story in Europe where Big Religion(the Catholic Church) has little power due to Europeans remembering that the Church was aligned with Hitler and his Nazis. That is why the pope his hierarchy is trying to gain power here in America. If he succeeds he will then attack Europe, once again. The GOP has promised the Church hierarchy the very same thing Hitler did, power. The Church will never rest until it has Catholicised the entire world, or destroyed it.
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Jun 19, 2009 6:04 AM
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I live in Milwaukee, I am going shopping today for that great beer.
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Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jun 19, 2009 6:46 AM
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Well there was the crooked land deal that one of the leaders in my father's union brokered and cut into my dad's pension fund, but that is water under the bridge now.
Fast forward to today. The organization I work for just became 100% union free (one factory out of dozens of locations was union). The only people who can say that things were better before the union was "busted" were the people who no longer have jobs with the company.
Who are those people who lost their jobs? The guy who got paid $18 an hour to work 2 hours out of his 8 hour day when a mess needed to be cleaned up. The five guys who got paid to cover breaks, each of whom only worked about 3 hours out of the day. The 3 security guards who took turns pressing a button to let the trucks in. These and other jobs that existed only as relics of the union days when people got paid to stand around and drink coffee.
It is always a sad thing to see people get let go from a job but the simple fact is that this particular factory could operate without these individuals. The workers actually earn more now because their union dues are gone. Their benefits are just as good, if not better now without the union. They get baseline pay raises in addition to merit increases. The relationship between workers and management is no longer so poisonous.
They also enjoy the benefits of working in a meritocracy. Upward mobility exists. A man who started out running a piece of machinery on the production line 7 years ago is a plant manager in Tennessee now. A man who was a forklift driver 5 years ago became a logistics manager in Maine. A woman who checked trucks in and entered data for a living 5 years ago is a manager in IS/IT. This doesn't happen when you work for a union shop.
Yes, unions can be good. Sometimes they are just unnecessary. I'm not sure which is the case here with Yeungling.
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» Anecdotes without documentation = bullshit
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 19, 2009 7:01 AM
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Once they are fired their only recourse is to hire legal counsel out of pocket, if they feel their termination was unjustified.
And as this economy continues its slide into the Third World, CEO's are busily outsourcing even even white-collar, cubicle-mole positions to India.
Poor little rugged-individualists.
Join or parish, cubicle-moles. You're nothing but fungible labor anyway.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 19, 2009 8:23 AM
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p.s. It would have been perfectly o.k. to drink the case you already had. It was bought and paid for, the company already made the profit. So you could have enjoyed it guilt free, knowing that you no longer intend to purchase them in the future.
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Posted by: Joeraider on Jun 19, 2009 8:40 AM
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Posted by: orftc on Jun 19, 2009 10:06 AM
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A union isn't some distant entity that represents your cause in exchange for dues, like the ACLU, and it isn't a service provider, like an insurance company.
It's YOU working together with your coworkers to make sure you have a voice at work and in government. In the best of cases, it's also a way for YOU to help improve your wider community by actually engaging in community-building.
People have forgotten this. All the propaganda we're fed about go-it-on-your-own, self-made billionaires and crap like that is part of the problem. It's eaten away at our unions from both the outside and the inside. Even so, it's ultimately our own responsibility to decide whether we give a crap about our co-workers and whether we see common cause with them.
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Posted by: biff777 on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 AM
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I'm still waiting for my stock options, after being TOLD to sign a piece of paper promising full employment and stock options after 9 months. This was after flat out firing of the temps at Amazon after the Microsoft loss of their battle with subcontractors/temps.
Thank you General Employment in Seattle for helping in the problem then...NOT.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 19, 2009 3:37 PM
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*applause**
thank you!
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jun 19, 2009 8:38 PM
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I learned to hate Coors when they turned on Ward Churchill. Ward is not particularly subtle. As an American indian Ward is just righteously pissed that the white man has been telling him what and how to think for generations. I grew up with the Kiowa. I tend to believe that the Indian deserves to be able to speak his mind with complete freedom. Coors seems to believe that only Coors has the right to speak his mind freely. He uses his money to achieve that.
He won't use mine.
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Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 20, 2009 8:01 AM
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The troubles at Yungeling seem like small change compare to what Coors brewing is all about.
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Posted by: Makaainana on Jun 22, 2009 9:57 AM
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The answer to the employer is we will come to work. We will do a good job, and we will join a union.
There should have been a big union publicity push.
I wonder if the union failed the workers more than the owners?
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