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Economic Fallout Has Spurred an Epidemic of Murder and Suicide That Has Gone Largely Unnoticed
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After David B. Kellermann, the chief financial officer of beleaguered mortgage giant Freddie Mac, tied a noose and hanged himself in the basement of his Vienna, Virginia, home, the New York Times made it a front-page story. The stresses of the job in economic tough times, its reporters implied, had driven him to this extreme act.
"Binghamton Shooter" Jiverly Wong also garnered front-page headlines nationwide and set off a cable news frenzy when, "bitter over job loss," he massacred 13 people at an immigration center in upstate New York. Similarly, coverage was brisk after Pittsburgh resident Richard Poplawski, "upset about recently losing a job," shot four local police officers, killing three of them.
But where was the front-page treatment when, in January, Betty Lipply, a 72-year-old resident of East Palestine, Ohio, "who feared she'd lose her home to foreclosure hanged herself to death" shortly after "receiving her second summons and foreclosure complaint from her mortgage lender"? And where was the up-to-the-minute cable news reporting on the two California dairy farmers who "killed themselves ... out of despair over finances, according to associates"?
Mass Murder, Mass Media, and Missing Stories
Last summer, in the pages of the Nation magazine, Barbara Ehrenreich called attention to people turning to "the suicide solution" in response to the burgeoning financial crisis. Months later, major news outlets started to examine the same phenomenon. Last fall, a TomDispatch report on suicides and a range of other extreme acts -- including self-inflicted injury, murder, arson, and armed self-defense -- in response to foreclosures, evictions, bankruptcies, and layoffs, was followed, months later, by mainstream media attention to the notion of "econo-cide" -- prompted, in large part, by a spate of familicides (murder/suicides in which both parents and their children die).
While it's impossible to know the myriad factors, including deeply personal ones, that contribute to people resorting to drastic measures, violent or otherwise, many press reports suggest that the global economic crisis has played no small part in a range of extreme acts.
An analysis by TomDispatch of national, regional, and local news reports in 2008 and early 2009 indicates that a silent, nationwide epidemic of drastic measures may be underway. News of such acts linked to economic woes -- from armed robberies to pay the rent to financially-motivated suicides -- has filtered out of cities and towns in no less than 30 states, many of which have seen multiple incidents. And since only a fraction of such acts ever receives media coverage, what is being reported, even if mostly in local newspapers, qualifies as startling.
For every Jiverly Wong, who garners days of cable-news coverage, there are untold despondent and desperate dairy farmers and retirees battered by the economy and at wits' end who respond by subjecting themselves, others, or property to violence and are hardly noticed. What follows is a sampling of such incidents, most reported locally, and organized by month -- no month lacked such reports -- since the beginning of this year.
January 2009
David Kelley lost his job in September 2008. As values plummeted on his Clairemont, California, home as well as the rental properties he owned, he reportedly became "overwhelmed by debt and depression." On January 5th, he shot himself. "He saw his good life and successful career slipping away," said his stepmother. "He couldn't see beyond the struggles he was having."
According to a police report, Manchester, Missouri, resident Frank Kavano, 66, who killed his wife and then himself, left a suicide note that mentioned "financial issues and difficulty in the marriage."
After losing a bet on a college football bowl game -- on top of losing his home to foreclosure -- Dante Vinci, age 48, reportedly stabbed a man to death outside a Reno, Nevada, sports bar.
February 2009
According to a news report, Gregory and Randolph Graham, third-generation car dealers from Ligonier, Pennsylvania, "watched helplessly over the past year as their business collapsed under the weight of the recession." One night, Gregory, 61, set fire to some of the cars at his dealership and "died of a heart attack next to the burning wreckage." Days later, Randolph, 51, "was found dead, slumped over the wheel of his car in what may have been a suicide."
When Otero County, New Mexico, sheriff's deputies tried to serve foreclosure papers on Miguel and Inga Gutierrez, the couple armed themselves and opened fire. After a 16-hour standoff, Miguel was found dead and Inga was taken into custody.
"Unemployed, awash in debt and hiding an October foreclosure from loved ones," 55-year-old Wayne "Mike" Anderson of Stratmoor Valley, Colorado, shot himself to death as a sheriff's deputy, ready to evict him, stood at his doorstep.
In Glyndon, Maryland, advertising executive Howard "Jack" Marks Jr., 63, killed himself after, his wife told the police, financial woes left him in danger of losing his business.
According to news reports, 53-year-old Jeffrey P. McKnight of Pataskala, Ohio, was "struggling financially and overwhelmed with caring for his elderly father" when he set his house ablaze and then killed his dad and himself.
Reportedly "upset over being unemployed and his financial status," George Vincent, 49, of Fort Meyers, Florida, drank copious amounts of beer, after which his wife called the police, telling them her husband was drunk, armed, and suicidal. When Vincent pulled a gun on responding officers, they opened fire, killing him, in what the state attorney's office deemed to be a case of suicide-by-cop.
March 2009
Lonnie Glasco walked into the San Diego, California, bus-maintenance depot where he worked as a mechanic and shot two fellow employees, one fatally, before police gunned him down. A friend said Glasco, 47, was "despondent over losing his wife and his home."
Michael McLendon, age 28 and "despondent over his inability to hold a job," fatally shot nine people in Samson, Alabama, and killed a 10th in a neighboring county.
After 46-year-old Springfield Township, Ohio, resident Michael Swiergosz's home went into "foreclosure and had been set for sheriff's sale," he barricaded himself inside "during a standoff with authorities that lasted three hours," before being arrested.
April 2009
In Warrenton, Virginia, police said that "domestic issues," likely compounded by "job-related stress," lay behind 39-year-old Bruce Curtin's decision to kill his wife and then himself.
Distraught in the face of eviction for failing to pay rent, Ginette Denize, 48, of Canarsie, Brooklyn, New York, turned on the gas burners of her stove, started banging on her landlord's door, and returned to her apartment. Police soon arrived and, when one of them reportedly tripped and fell in her kitchen, she allegedly "hovered with a knife over" him. The two other officers then opened fire, killing her. It was conjectured that the shooting might have been a case of suicide-by-cop.
Angered that someone else was living in the home he had lost to foreclosure, Derek C. Hightower, 24, of Bristol, Wisconsin, reportedly set a fire that "destroyed the garage, the house and three vehicles."
Michael Knudson's former girlfriend wondered whether he "somehow thought he was saving his mom and brother from the pain and loss of the foreclosure [of the family home] in some misguided way." Eviction was scheduled for April 7th. Days before, say authorities, the 39-year-old killed his mother and brother, buried them in "a shallow grave" nearby, and burned down their Hudson, Ohio, home.
Police reported that Mark I. Levy, a 59-year-old Bethesda, Maryland, resident, who had been a deputy assistant attorney general in the Clinton administration and "was about to lose his job because of the economy," died of "an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound."
Under investigation by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies for possibly "scamm[ing] clients out of millions in a side investment business he ran," Garden City, New York, resident William Parente, 59, "beat and asphyxiated his wife and daughters in a Maryland hotel room" before killing himself.
With talk of layoffs in the air and reportedly fearful of losing his job at California's Long Beach Memorial Medical Center, Mario Ramirez entered his workplace and shot two immediate supervisors before killing himself.
Reportedly $450,000 in debt, 34-year-old Middletown, Maryland, resident Christopher Wood shot and killed his wife and children before taking his own life.
At a home north of Frederick, Maryland, a man threatened to kill workers from a company that clears out recently foreclosed homes, prompting SWAT team members to be called in. Not far away, outside Baltimore, a man attempted to commit suicide while being evicted from his home.
In Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, a 27-year-old man, upset about losing his job, killed himself. A week later, another area man, who had threatened to kill himself "after recently losing his job," surrendered to authorities after a five-hour standoff.
In North Carolina, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department reported 10 "suicide threats or attempts" over the weekend of April 18th and 19th. Bill Cook, the director of the Mecklenburg County Mobile Crisis Team, told the press that economic woes had contributed to the spike.
May 2009
Faced with eviction, 33-year-old Motalekgose Mothuse Valela allegedly warned the property manager of his Dallas, Texas, apartment: "No one comes to my place without me being there, and I don't care who it is: the constable, the police or the sheriff… I will blow them all up and blow this place up," according to court documents. He reportedly also affixed a note to his door reading, "Bomb set on door, don't touch," resulting in a standoff with the Dallas police bomb squad and SWAT team which lasted several hours, before he eventually surrendered.
According to Indianapolis, Indiana, Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Sgt. Paul Thompson, 27-year-old Candance Macy lured her landlord to her residence "with the intent to kill him" in order to avoid eviction. Reportedly, Macy claimed that "she had lost a ring behind a stove in the kitchen and… she had asked him to retrieve it. When he stooped down to look for the ring, Macy allegedly stabbed him in the back at least four times and several more times on other parts of his body." He was reported to be in serious condition.
In Rhode Island, during an eviction proceeding, a Pawtucket Housing Authority employee found a "man lying in a bed with a knife sticking out of his neck, and quickly phoned police, reporting either a stabbing victim or possible deceased person." When police arrived and approached the man, he "suddenly sat up, with the knife hanging from his throat." The knife fell from his neck and the man began threatening the officers with it. "You will have to shoot me. I have nothing to live for," he told them. Eventually, they persuaded him to drop the knife.
After Allen Park, Michigan's Mark David Fussner, 44, refused to obey an eviction order and threatened to shoot court officers, the police were called in. As one of the officers approached, Fussner reportedly fired birdshot from a shotgun, wounding him. Other police on the scene returned fire and for the next two hours, the sound of gun shots reverberated through the neighborhood. Fussner was later found dead in his basement. It was unclear whether he died of a self-inflicted wound or was killed by the police.
A Silent (and Violent) Epidemic
While news reports indicate that extreme acts precipitated by economic disaster have occurred in at least 30 states, similar incidents have undoubtedly occurred in most, if not all, of the remaining 20 states. Suicides are normally under-reported in the press, while murders linked to the economic crisis may never be reported as such. Many extreme acts, in any case, go unnoticed by those not intimately affected.
There is, of course, no way to know which of these and similar acts might have occurred even if there had been no global economic meltdown. One thing is certain however: there will never be a full accounting of the lives ruined or lost under the pressure of economic disaster, nor will anyone ever raise a monument to the victims of foreclosure, job loss, and business failure, of busted pensions and dynamited 401(k)s.
There will be no memorial wall in Washington with names etched into black granite -- not for these people, neither the desperate who killed themselves, nor those who lashed out and murdered others. Who will remember the Knudsons in their shallow grave, or Christopher Wood's dead children? No statue will be raised on Wall Street to solemnly remind the former masters of the universe of the Main Street consequences of their financial manipulations. No equivalent of the Arlington National Cemetery will ever be laid out for the dead of this crisis or filled with headstones reading: "Beloved Mother, Killed by Capitalism" or "Devoted Husband and Father, Sacrificed in the Name of Greed."
Instead, the bodies will just continue to pile up. A daughter here. A father there. A family in a nearby neighborhood.
No one will ever know how many. And no one will record their names for posterity.
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Posted by: VeroniqueD on Jun 5, 2009 2:54 AM
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That doesn't mean that other countries' societies are successful. No country can call itself successful when it spawns massive debt, citizen suicides and has little or no care for the environment under which it exists; that brainwashes its population into believing that individual success is based on the accumulation of 'stuff'; that teaches its population to strive for wealth as if it is the purpose of life. If only the population were taught real self-reliance, if only, if only.
That ordinary and not-so-ordinary people are so caught by the trappings of capitalism that they can see no other reason for living and so kill themselves and others in their frustration at a system that promised the world and delivered nothing when it mattered is tragic in the extreme.
The same thing has happened before and is happening now in the UK, Australia and any other country that operates under this dreadful, unsustainable neo-capitalist ethos.
Look back at the economic collapses in the late 19th and the 20th centuries. Chart the number of suicides and murders in the middle of those collapses. We never appear to learn. And now the capitalistic juggernaut is virtually unstoppable unless and until it falls off the cliff to its death.
It is the appalling greed of those who claw their way upwards to try and stay afloat on the backs of those who are sinking under their weight; the ones who keep the capitalist machine whirring; the governments who are so caught up in it all that they have to bail out the wealthy, greedy corporations and wealthy, greedy individuals at the expense of the citizenry.
The banks are failing; the big manufacturers are failing, the combined corporate and government debt is burgeoning and some people are still walking away with immense pay-outs, paid by, ultimately, tax payers' funds.
No wonder people are angry; no wonder there are suicides when people are taught to gauge their individual worth on how much 'stuff' they have regardless of how much debt they have had to get into to fund the purchase of 'stuff'.
Oh dear - no answers except the death of capitalism and the growth of real global co-operation so that the haves and have-nots are on a more even playing field. So that economies are seen as a sub-set of the environment and not the other way around as most economists and governments seem to think.
It could be done but greed has to go and that is about to happen, yes?? I don't think so.
Sorry for the rant. It's the frustration, you see!! Any errors above are mine and mine alone.
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Posted by: almendoza2 on Jun 5, 2009 3:25 AM
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If this is a dog eat dog world! then as far as I'm concerned, If I get my grubby little paws on my check, first, My creditors will never see a penny of it!
All they can do is take what I have, and I have ....NOTHING!
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 5, 2009 4:33 AM
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These are sad stories, but without a broader picture they're scattered incidents that say very little about how people in the U.S. and elsewhere are dealing with the economic situation. Other factors are at play in these tales: the overwhelming of people thrown out of work or faced with foreclosure don't kill themselves, stab their landlords, or commit armed robbery.
What I want to know is what kind of family and community support networks these people had, and what are the key factors that are helping people get through the hard times. That's the kind of news we could use, now and for the future.
By way of contrast -- the killing of Dr. George Tiller was not an isolated incident. There's clearly a link (although it's exact nature isn't known yet) between anti-abortion rhetoric and strategy and his murder, even though (as is likely) the actual shooter was atypical, a loose cannon, and maybe a nutcase.
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Posted by: Mathew Trisencusean on Jun 5, 2009 4:31 AM
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All you have to fear is the Taliban obtaining nuclear weapons.
The fundementals of the economy are strong.
Good vs evil.
America is not or never will be a socialist country.
Saddam is trying to get a nuclear weapon.
Green shoots.
After nearly eight years of the occupation of a country of 32000000 people the Taliban have managed to kill nearly 700 U.S soldiers.
No wait, nearly a third of those soldiers killed themselves.
Al queda is a highly organised fighting machine.
The Taliban is going to attack an American city with a nuclear weapon.
Bull market.
What is the unemployment rate in Iraq?
Socialised losses.
You have nothing to fear except the evil doers.
Red and Blue balloon races.
Iran is funding the terroists.
Annual U.S deaths from gun violence?
2000000 Pakistani refugees.
The good war.
A smoking gun.
It is important that we move forward with the forwardness that Americans look forward to.
Innocence.
We cannot fight this war with one hand tied behind our backs.
Amnesia.
History.
Hope.
Change.
Protest.
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Posted by: maryyooch on Jun 5, 2009 4:51 AM
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Everyday, I drive past a 'tent city', which is situated under a highway overpass, right next to the food stamp office. My family and I came a breath away from living there, too. Most of the people who live there are the working poor who have lost their jobs but didn't have any savings or credit cards to max out. Some were middle class families, who after losing their jobs, burned through their savings and maxed out their credit cards. State Aid, you say? There is no State Aid to speak of anymore. A family of four would be eligible for $230/month, only if you work for the welfare department (cleaning, raking, etc) for 30 hours a week. How are you even going to live on $230/month?? A crack motel charges that for a week.
These people that are taking their lives are not cowards. It takes a lot of desperation and guts to end it all. And they see the rich everyday getting their bailouts when in reality, they don't need or deserve them. Where is the help for those of us that have worked all of our lives and are unemployed through no fault of our own? We need to bring back AFDC. If there was any kind of a safety net, I bet it would stop some of these tragic suicides.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 5, 2009 6:36 AM
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The government and the media only acknowledge deaths when it suits their purposes, not ours – and it is certainly not in their interest to show just how damaging has been the destruction caused by the looting of our economy by the media's Best Friends For Life, Wall Street financial instituions.
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Posted by: Farasien on Jun 5, 2009 7:10 AM
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Broke, unemployed and helpless + WINTER = desperate.
When the end of nice weather comes around this year, the reports are going to get really grim. In the UK, the cops are prepped for the 'summer of rage'. What do you think happens when those people now see sub-zero weather coming along?
How about a winter of violence? Stay tuned...
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 5, 2009 8:30 AM
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— William Colby, former Director of the CIA.
Furthermore:
Severely corrupt governments + corporations are why so many people are suffering!!! There are abundant resources on this planet for EVERYONE to have clean water, food, shelter, decent jobs, medical care, etc.!!!
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 5, 2009 8:35 AM
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It's nice to dream that the "captains of industry & finance" are really good people with high moral values, but they've proven themselves to be the exact opposite. Boy, have they ever.
It's nice to dream that our elected officials are working dilligently to set things aright while looking after our best interests, but we now know without a trace of doubt that they're really working hand in glove with corporate crooks.
It's nice to dream that our brand of capitalism is the greatest boon to mankind, ever, but that illusion has come unravelled as well.
So, what do you do when you wake up from a bad dream? Unless you're a fool, you re-enter the world of reality and make a new beginning, minus the dreams and illusions.
A new economic order is what's needed, and without the crooks who've wounded us so greviously. If we can't put them in prison, we can at least leave them behind, and relegate them to the status of a bad dream.
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Posted by: charles000 on Jun 5, 2009 9:21 AM
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In my neighborhood we have quite a number of older folks, many of them struggling with various medical difficulties, and I find myself edging toward this reality with each passing day.
I have no idea how I'm going to manage my life, in that I have very little savings left, social security is essentially non-existent, and certainly no pension plan to look forward to.
Speaking for me, at least, I'm already at a place in my own mind to opt out of life, voluntarily, while I still have some control over my faculties and physical mobility.
That is not what concerns me at this moment.
What does concern me are the countless millions who are already trapped in an impossible circumstance, and are at the edge of panic as they attempt to navigate their way through this morass of existence management.
It is at this juncture I would offer a question to the neocon lunatic fringe so-called "Christian" fundamentalists, who are anything but Christians in any sense of the word.
These are the folks who will murder doctors, rant and rave incessantly about abortion, spew hate speech at hospice workers, and those who may wish to take their own lives voluntarily to relieve themselves from a nightmare of disease and pain.
Where are you now? Hmmmmm???
I don't see any of these so-called "Christian" necon fundamentalist fanatics stepping up to the plate here . . .
Is it just me, or am I missing something?
Anyone???
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 5, 2009 9:58 AM
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I think that we have forgotten life is struggle. The media tells us all problems can be solved in 60 minutes and we can buy our cares away. That is illusion. Struggle is what causes soul growth. We are NOT our bank accounts, credit scores, job titles or any other externals.
Finally, committing suicide is letting the power-elite win. They could care less about the little guy, they think we exist for their benefit. They want to see us as disposable and conveniently go away when their use for use is through. Take that anger, organize and fight back!
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Posted by: joeocho88 on Jun 5, 2009 12:16 PM
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No Surprise.
First, they came for our cars with their environmental nonsense and junk science about GLOBAL WARMING - all of those old war protesters and Al Gore had to have a job somehow.
And they have repeatedly tried to confiscate our firearms BUT YOU ARE DEALING WITH AMERICANS,NOT SUBJECTS OF A KING OR QUEEN AND WE HAVE OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
Then they started going for our jobs because without jobs, you will not be able to afford anything else and you will lose your home, ability to buy food and vehicles and won't be able to pay what is owed on them either.
But they were unable to collapse this country's economy either.
They tried to go after our farmland, our infrastructure and they tried to taint our vaccines and medicines so our children would have autism. They tried to go after our educational system AND WANT TO STOP HOMESCHOOLING SO THEY CAN BRAINWASH OUR KIDS AND DUMB THEM DOWN SO THEY CAN BE RULED LIKE SERFS.
SO WHAT ARE A FEW SUICIDES AND MURDERS TO THEM.THEY JUST THINK WE ARE DUMB ANIMALS LIKE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER OR EVEN LEMMINGS...
And most of us ARE pretty STUPID since we keep electing the NEW WORLD ORDER SUPPORTERS TO OFFICE!
THINK,PEOPLE! PLEASE WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
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Posted by: maxsmart on Jun 5, 2009 12:16 PM
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No one wants to be taxed to help others because they are so afraid of becoming homeless themselves. Taxing cigarettes to fund elite childrens educations and teach those poor income addicts a lesson and drive people crazy forcing them to stop smoking just as their world is squeezing them more and more for their own good of course.
Plenty of money for wars, wars on terrorists and wars on drugs, Wars on sex offenders of all kinds, political ideological wars with giant campaign funds and media magic.
Double and tripling deployments for war, National Guards raided for optioanl wars not necessary for the antional defense.
No wonder there's so much suicide, we have drained the humanity out of society and replaced it with ideological fantasy!
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 PM
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If we had decent media (yeah, the Left media is woefully out of touch on this subject just like their MSM counter-craptastics) we might learn the real stories are behind people who have crossed that Rubicon.
The REAL story is that this is the direct result of Empire, an Empire of the owning class' making (be they of the nice-guy but fatally stupid variety like Obama or the mean-savage soulless spectre but fatally stupid variety like BushCo).
But the owning class owns the media (and the Left too, save for IndyMedia) and they don't want you to know these stories. THEY don't want you talking about what makes someone die inside to the point where they'll make the exterior match the interior. THEY want us to be "civil" and "polite" and "respectful" in our discourse, even while that silences and stifles the living half of ourselves and adds more unresolvable weight to the dead parts.
Until the owning-class is FORCED to acknowledge their policies and choices have KILLED people, their Empire will not fall. Every time a politician, be he Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Bush, Cheney, et al., votes or enacts a policy that results in the inner (or outer) death of another human being, they should be held accountable. Sovereign immunity is the hallmark of the owning-class' perpetuation of its Imperial power. Think about that a minute.
Until 'Merkuh can grow up to that reality and behave like grownups about their bastardized faux "democracy", people will continue to die. Period.
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Jun 5, 2009 2:02 PM
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Quite the contrary! The United $tates is vicious corp-rat fascist society. America has become AmeriKa, a war mongering beast that brings woe to the world... and treats it's citizens like toilet turds. This is why AmeriKa give welfare to banksters and Wall $treet $harks @ Goldman $achs. It is why AmeriKa has corp-rat health INSURANCE in lieu of health CARE.
Violence resulting from economic desperation, as noted in the above article, is not wide-lie covered in the main-$tream corp-rat controlled media. In lieu of news... we have pro-$ports on the front pages and talk hate radio preaching Reagan and Jeeezass!
The two basic themes of AmeriKa's propaganda newes $ystem (the alleged "liberal media") are (1) that Obama is the Anti-KKKrist and (2)... it is the duty of every fat ass AmeriKan consumer citizen to blind-lie $upport the ethno-racist dictates of Zionism. Yeah... Israel first! AmeriKa $econd. Newe Yawk Yankees third.
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Perhaps it's time to activate the 9mm rule.
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Posted by: zigy on Jun 5, 2009 3:13 PM
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Consider, why did Obama gut GM but he made the big bank bondholders whole? Who is he REALLY working for, the American people or Wall St?
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Posted by: Singe on Jun 6, 2009 1:49 AM
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Didn't see it mentioned up there so I thought I'd mention it down here.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 6, 2009 4:21 AM
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But to the middle class and poor who have not committed suicide yet-hang in there. Some good Christians will be at your door to help you, as soon as they finish their work at the abortion clinics.
And oh, pray to Jesass, I'm sure He will hear your plight and make the rich bankers give you some of their bailout money.
And oh, oh, go to church more and pray to God directly. If this bastard is not to busy creating havoc in the rest of the world maybe he will give you some bootstraps so you can lift yourself out of your misery.
And oh, oh, oh, don't forget to give to the church collection. Your priest (minister) needs money to lure children and/or more of your ilk, so they do not have to go through your plight. In return you get the promise of going to heaven---someday.
If any of this does not work, repeat the above.
Have faith, it always works...so I'm told.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 6, 2009 8:43 AM
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Help is WITH average Americans, when the stop paying for their own torment. That won't happen until they learn the history of the military industrial complex, of the CIA, and of the Operation MOCKINGBIRD, "Medium is the Message," media that keeps the average American living in a reality that is only virtual - created by that same media.
The average American might also look up the term "prole," and read Geroge Orwell.
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Posted by: plantland on Jun 9, 2009 8:33 AM
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empty homes need to go to people who need shelter.
Government does not seem to allow people with creative ideas to take decision making positions, so we have few creative ideas.
Perhaps some people struggling would be able to take someone who would otherwise need a halfway house into their home or apartment, to mentor and support them, and recieve support in return.
We need agencies to help people find compatible and safe housemates: local governemts give us speed cameras .
My state is spending 8 thousand a year on pre K for kids- stay at home mothers , who happen to need income, could do a better job at giving children chores, reading individually to them, and providing them with love.
People in state govenments seem to be all about who gets the big contracts, and who gets highly paid to supervise them in turn, adding expensive beaurocratic layers that leave people out- worse yet, increase txes to pay for the layers.
People can not afford the raises for the price of stamps, yet the post office advertises, as if people had an alternative post office .
I don't think Obama is focusing on the needs of the people, for he seems trying to satisfy the demands of those who favor increased immigration. If he understood the people's plight, that attitude would come off cold and calculating.
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Posted by: Sushi on Jun 9, 2009 10:09 AM
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Fortunately, he didn't do as much damage as he intended and he's going to be OK. (Or unfortunately, because now he's got even more medical bills and might lose his job, apartment and now we all have to worry that he might try it again.)
Back during the Great Depression, most people were pretty self sufficient and many were always poor, so it didn't matter much to their self esteem. Success was defined as moving up the ladder and improving their lives. Now we watch everything we worked and struggled for crumble, we ARE angry!
People can't shoot an international corporation, so they turn the gun on their own pain.
Sushi
"Why does the government have a "deficit", and I have "bad credit"?"
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Posted by: VeroniqueD on Jun 5, 2009 2:54 AM
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That doesn't mean that other countries' societies are successful. No country can call itself successful when it spawns massive debt, citizen suicides and has little or no care for the environment under which it exists; that brainwashes its population into believing that individual success is based on the accumulation of 'stuff'; that teaches its population to strive for wealth as if it is the purpose of life. If only the population were taught real self-reliance, if only, if only.
That ordinary and not-so-ordinary people are so caught by the trappings of capitalism that they can see no other reason for living and so kill themselves and others in their frustration at a system that promised the world and delivered nothing when it mattered is tragic in the extreme.
The same thing has happened before and is happening now in the UK, Australia and any other country that operates under this dreadful, unsustainable neo-capitalist ethos.
Look back at the economic collapses in the late 19th and the 20th centuries. Chart the number of suicides and murders in the middle of those collapses. We never appear to learn. And now the capitalistic juggernaut is virtually unstoppable unless and until it falls off the cliff to its death.
It is the appalling greed of those who claw their way upwards to try and stay afloat on the backs of those who are sinking under their weight; the ones who keep the capitalist machine whirring; the governments who are so caught up in it all that they have to bail out the wealthy, greedy corporations and wealthy, greedy individuals at the expense of the citizenry.
The banks are failing; the big manufacturers are failing, the combined corporate and government debt is burgeoning and some people are still walking away with immense pay-outs, paid by, ultimately, tax payers' funds.
No wonder people are angry; no wonder there are suicides when people are taught to gauge their individual worth on how much 'stuff' they have regardless of how much debt they have had to get into to fund the purchase of 'stuff'.
Oh dear - no answers except the death of capitalism and the growth of real global co-operation so that the haves and have-nots are on a more even playing field. So that economies are seen as a sub-set of the environment and not the other way around as most economists and governments seem to think.
It could be done but greed has to go and that is about to happen, yes?? I don't think so.
Sorry for the rant. It's the frustration, you see!! Any errors above are mine and mine alone.
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Posted by: almendoza2 on Jun 5, 2009 3:25 AM
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If this is a dog eat dog world! then as far as I'm concerned, If I get my grubby little paws on my check, first, My creditors will never see a penny of it!
All they can do is take what I have, and I have ....NOTHING!
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 5, 2009 4:33 AM
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These are sad stories, but without a broader picture they're scattered incidents that say very little about how people in the U.S. and elsewhere are dealing with the economic situation. Other factors are at play in these tales: the overwhelming of people thrown out of work or faced with foreclosure don't kill themselves, stab their landlords, or commit armed robbery.
What I want to know is what kind of family and community support networks these people had, and what are the key factors that are helping people get through the hard times. That's the kind of news we could use, now and for the future.
By way of contrast -- the killing of Dr. George Tiller was not an isolated incident. There's clearly a link (although it's exact nature isn't known yet) between anti-abortion rhetoric and strategy and his murder, even though (as is likely) the actual shooter was atypical, a loose cannon, and maybe a nutcase.
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Posted by: Mathew Trisencusean on Jun 5, 2009 4:31 AM
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All you have to fear is the Taliban obtaining nuclear weapons.
The fundementals of the economy are strong.
Good vs evil.
America is not or never will be a socialist country.
Saddam is trying to get a nuclear weapon.
Green shoots.
After nearly eight years of the occupation of a country of 32000000 people the Taliban have managed to kill nearly 700 U.S soldiers.
No wait, nearly a third of those soldiers killed themselves.
Al queda is a highly organised fighting machine.
The Taliban is going to attack an American city with a nuclear weapon.
Bull market.
What is the unemployment rate in Iraq?
Socialised losses.
You have nothing to fear except the evil doers.
Red and Blue balloon races.
Iran is funding the terroists.
Annual U.S deaths from gun violence?
2000000 Pakistani refugees.
The good war.
A smoking gun.
It is important that we move forward with the forwardness that Americans look forward to.
Innocence.
We cannot fight this war with one hand tied behind our backs.
Amnesia.
History.
Hope.
Change.
Protest.
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Posted by: maryyooch on Jun 5, 2009 4:51 AM
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Everyday, I drive past a 'tent city', which is situated under a highway overpass, right next to the food stamp office. My family and I came a breath away from living there, too. Most of the people who live there are the working poor who have lost their jobs but didn't have any savings or credit cards to max out. Some were middle class families, who after losing their jobs, burned through their savings and maxed out their credit cards. State Aid, you say? There is no State Aid to speak of anymore. A family of four would be eligible for $230/month, only if you work for the welfare department (cleaning, raking, etc) for 30 hours a week. How are you even going to live on $230/month?? A crack motel charges that for a week.
These people that are taking their lives are not cowards. It takes a lot of desperation and guts to end it all. And they see the rich everyday getting their bailouts when in reality, they don't need or deserve them. Where is the help for those of us that have worked all of our lives and are unemployed through no fault of our own? We need to bring back AFDC. If there was any kind of a safety net, I bet it would stop some of these tragic suicides.
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» You're right that suicide is courageous.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 5, 2009 6:36 AM
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The government and the media only acknowledge deaths when it suits their purposes, not ours – and it is certainly not in their interest to show just how damaging has been the destruction caused by the looting of our economy by the media's Best Friends For Life, Wall Street financial instituions.
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Posted by: AdamDunny on Jun 5, 2009 7:02 AM
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Posted by: Farasien on Jun 5, 2009 7:10 AM
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Broke, unemployed and helpless + WINTER = desperate.
When the end of nice weather comes around this year, the reports are going to get really grim. In the UK, the cops are prepped for the 'summer of rage'. What do you think happens when those people now see sub-zero weather coming along?
How about a winter of violence? Stay tuned...
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 5, 2009 8:30 AM
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— William Colby, former Director of the CIA.
Furthermore:
Severely corrupt governments + corporations are why so many people are suffering!!! There are abundant resources on this planet for EVERYONE to have clean water, food, shelter, decent jobs, medical care, etc.!!!
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 5, 2009 8:35 AM
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It's nice to dream that the "captains of industry & finance" are really good people with high moral values, but they've proven themselves to be the exact opposite. Boy, have they ever.
It's nice to dream that our elected officials are working dilligently to set things aright while looking after our best interests, but we now know without a trace of doubt that they're really working hand in glove with corporate crooks.
It's nice to dream that our brand of capitalism is the greatest boon to mankind, ever, but that illusion has come unravelled as well.
So, what do you do when you wake up from a bad dream? Unless you're a fool, you re-enter the world of reality and make a new beginning, minus the dreams and illusions.
A new economic order is what's needed, and without the crooks who've wounded us so greviously. If we can't put them in prison, we can at least leave them behind, and relegate them to the status of a bad dream.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 5, 2009 9:03 AM
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Posted by: sirios on Jun 5, 2009 9:18 AM
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Posted by: charles000 on Jun 5, 2009 9:21 AM
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In my neighborhood we have quite a number of older folks, many of them struggling with various medical difficulties, and I find myself edging toward this reality with each passing day.
I have no idea how I'm going to manage my life, in that I have very little savings left, social security is essentially non-existent, and certainly no pension plan to look forward to.
Speaking for me, at least, I'm already at a place in my own mind to opt out of life, voluntarily, while I still have some control over my faculties and physical mobility.
That is not what concerns me at this moment.
What does concern me are the countless millions who are already trapped in an impossible circumstance, and are at the edge of panic as they attempt to navigate their way through this morass of existence management.
It is at this juncture I would offer a question to the neocon lunatic fringe so-called "Christian" fundamentalists, who are anything but Christians in any sense of the word.
These are the folks who will murder doctors, rant and rave incessantly about abortion, spew hate speech at hospice workers, and those who may wish to take their own lives voluntarily to relieve themselves from a nightmare of disease and pain.
Where are you now? Hmmmmm???
I don't see any of these so-called "Christian" necon fundamentalist fanatics stepping up to the plate here . . .
Is it just me, or am I missing something?
Anyone???
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 5, 2009 9:58 AM
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I think that we have forgotten life is struggle. The media tells us all problems can be solved in 60 minutes and we can buy our cares away. That is illusion. Struggle is what causes soul growth. We are NOT our bank accounts, credit scores, job titles or any other externals.
Finally, committing suicide is letting the power-elite win. They could care less about the little guy, they think we exist for their benefit. They want to see us as disposable and conveniently go away when their use for use is through. Take that anger, organize and fight back!
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Posted by: joeocho88 on Jun 5, 2009 12:16 PM
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No Surprise.
First, they came for our cars with their environmental nonsense and junk science about GLOBAL WARMING - all of those old war protesters and Al Gore had to have a job somehow.
And they have repeatedly tried to confiscate our firearms BUT YOU ARE DEALING WITH AMERICANS,NOT SUBJECTS OF A KING OR QUEEN AND WE HAVE OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
Then they started going for our jobs because without jobs, you will not be able to afford anything else and you will lose your home, ability to buy food and vehicles and won't be able to pay what is owed on them either.
But they were unable to collapse this country's economy either.
They tried to go after our farmland, our infrastructure and they tried to taint our vaccines and medicines so our children would have autism. They tried to go after our educational system AND WANT TO STOP HOMESCHOOLING SO THEY CAN BRAINWASH OUR KIDS AND DUMB THEM DOWN SO THEY CAN BE RULED LIKE SERFS.
SO WHAT ARE A FEW SUICIDES AND MURDERS TO THEM.THEY JUST THINK WE ARE DUMB ANIMALS LIKE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER OR EVEN LEMMINGS...
And most of us ARE pretty STUPID since we keep electing the NEW WORLD ORDER SUPPORTERS TO OFFICE!
THINK,PEOPLE! PLEASE WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
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Posted by: maxsmart on Jun 5, 2009 12:16 PM
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No one wants to be taxed to help others because they are so afraid of becoming homeless themselves. Taxing cigarettes to fund elite childrens educations and teach those poor income addicts a lesson and drive people crazy forcing them to stop smoking just as their world is squeezing them more and more for their own good of course.
Plenty of money for wars, wars on terrorists and wars on drugs, Wars on sex offenders of all kinds, political ideological wars with giant campaign funds and media magic.
Double and tripling deployments for war, National Guards raided for optioanl wars not necessary for the antional defense.
No wonder there's so much suicide, we have drained the humanity out of society and replaced it with ideological fantasy!
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Posted by: DaBear on Jun 5, 2009 12:41 PM
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If we had decent media (yeah, the Left media is woefully out of touch on this subject just like their MSM counter-craptastics) we might learn the real stories are behind people who have crossed that Rubicon.
The REAL story is that this is the direct result of Empire, an Empire of the owning class' making (be they of the nice-guy but fatally stupid variety like Obama or the mean-savage soulless spectre but fatally stupid variety like BushCo).
But the owning class owns the media (and the Left too, save for IndyMedia) and they don't want you to know these stories. THEY don't want you talking about what makes someone die inside to the point where they'll make the exterior match the interior. THEY want us to be "civil" and "polite" and "respectful" in our discourse, even while that silences and stifles the living half of ourselves and adds more unresolvable weight to the dead parts.
Until the owning-class is FORCED to acknowledge their policies and choices have KILLED people, their Empire will not fall. Every time a politician, be he Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Bush, Cheney, et al., votes or enacts a policy that results in the inner (or outer) death of another human being, they should be held accountable. Sovereign immunity is the hallmark of the owning-class' perpetuation of its Imperial power. Think about that a minute.
Until 'Merkuh can grow up to that reality and behave like grownups about their bastardized faux "democracy", people will continue to die. Period.
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Posted by: GUY FOX on Jun 5, 2009 2:02 PM
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Quite the contrary! The United $tates is vicious corp-rat fascist society. America has become AmeriKa, a war mongering beast that brings woe to the world... and treats it's citizens like toilet turds. This is why AmeriKa give welfare to banksters and Wall $treet $harks @ Goldman $achs. It is why AmeriKa has corp-rat health INSURANCE in lieu of health CARE.
Violence resulting from economic desperation, as noted in the above article, is not wide-lie covered in the main-$tream corp-rat controlled media. In lieu of news... we have pro-$ports on the front pages and talk hate radio preaching Reagan and Jeeezass!
The two basic themes of AmeriKa's propaganda newes $ystem (the alleged "liberal media") are (1) that Obama is the Anti-KKKrist and (2)... it is the duty of every fat ass AmeriKan consumer citizen to blind-lie $upport the ethno-racist dictates of Zionism. Yeah... Israel first! AmeriKa $econd. Newe Yawk Yankees third.
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Posted by: Triton on Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM
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Perhaps it's time to activate the 9mm rule.
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Posted by: zigy on Jun 5, 2009 3:13 PM
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Consider, why did Obama gut GM but he made the big bank bondholders whole? Who is he REALLY working for, the American people or Wall St?
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Posted by: Singe on Jun 6, 2009 1:49 AM
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Didn't see it mentioned up there so I thought I'd mention it down here.
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Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 6, 2009 4:21 AM
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But to the middle class and poor who have not committed suicide yet-hang in there. Some good Christians will be at your door to help you, as soon as they finish their work at the abortion clinics.
And oh, pray to Jesass, I'm sure He will hear your plight and make the rich bankers give you some of their bailout money.
And oh, oh, go to church more and pray to God directly. If this bastard is not to busy creating havoc in the rest of the world maybe he will give you some bootstraps so you can lift yourself out of your misery.
And oh, oh, oh, don't forget to give to the church collection. Your priest (minister) needs money to lure children and/or more of your ilk, so they do not have to go through your plight. In return you get the promise of going to heaven---someday.
If any of this does not work, repeat the above.
Have faith, it always works...so I'm told.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 6, 2009 8:43 AM
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Help is WITH average Americans, when the stop paying for their own torment. That won't happen until they learn the history of the military industrial complex, of the CIA, and of the Operation MOCKINGBIRD, "Medium is the Message," media that keeps the average American living in a reality that is only virtual - created by that same media.
The average American might also look up the term "prole," and read Geroge Orwell.
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Jun 6, 2009 8:44 AM
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Posted by: plantland on Jun 9, 2009 8:33 AM
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empty homes need to go to people who need shelter.
Government does not seem to allow people with creative ideas to take decision making positions, so we have few creative ideas.
Perhaps some people struggling would be able to take someone who would otherwise need a halfway house into their home or apartment, to mentor and support them, and recieve support in return.
We need agencies to help people find compatible and safe housemates: local governemts give us speed cameras .
My state is spending 8 thousand a year on pre K for kids- stay at home mothers , who happen to need income, could do a better job at giving children chores, reading individually to them, and providing them with love.
People in state govenments seem to be all about who gets the big contracts, and who gets highly paid to supervise them in turn, adding expensive beaurocratic layers that leave people out- worse yet, increase txes to pay for the layers.
People can not afford the raises for the price of stamps, yet the post office advertises, as if people had an alternative post office .
I don't think Obama is focusing on the needs of the people, for he seems trying to satisfy the demands of those who favor increased immigration. If he understood the people's plight, that attitude would come off cold and calculating.
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Posted by: Sushi on Jun 9, 2009 10:09 AM
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Fortunately, he didn't do as much damage as he intended and he's going to be OK. (Or unfortunately, because now he's got even more medical bills and might lose his job, apartment and now we all have to worry that he might try it again.)
Back during the Great Depression, most people were pretty self sufficient and many were always poor, so it didn't matter much to their self esteem. Success was defined as moving up the ladder and improving their lives. Now we watch everything we worked and struggled for crumble, we ARE angry!
People can't shoot an international corporation, so they turn the gun on their own pain.
Sushi
"Why does the government have a "deficit", and I have "bad credit"?"
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