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Michael Moore: 10 Steps Obama Should Take for the Future of GM
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I write this on the morning of the end of the once-mighty General Motors. By high noon, the President of the United States will have made it official: General Motors, as we know it, has been totaled.
As I sit here in GM's birthplace, Flint, Michigan, I am surrounded by friends and family who are filled with anxiety about what will happen to them and to the town. Forty percent of the homes and businesses in the city have been abandoned. Imagine what it would be like if you lived in a city where almost every other house is empty. What would be your state of mind?
It is with sad irony that the company which invented "planned obsolescence" -- the decision to build cars that would fall apart after a few years so that the customer would then have to buy a new one -- has now made itself obsolete. It refused to build automobiles that the public wanted, cars that got great gas mileage, were as safe as they could be, and were exceedingly comfortable to drive. Oh -- and that wouldn't start falling apart after two years. GM stubbornly fought environmental and safety regulations. Its executives arrogantly ignored the "inferior" Japanese and German cars, cars which would become the gold standard for automobile buyers. And it was hell-bent on punishing its unionized workforce, lopping off thousands of workers for no good reason other than to "improve" the short-term bottom line of the corporation. Beginning in the 1980s, when GM was posting record profits, it moved countless jobs to Mexico and elsewhere, thus destroying the lives of tens of thousands of hard-working Americans. The glaring stupidity of this policy was that, when they eliminated the income of so many middle class families, who did they think was going to be able to afford to buy their cars? History will record this blunder in the same way it now writes about the French building the Maginot Line or how the Romans cluelessly poisoned their own water system with lethal lead in its pipes.
So here we are at the deathbed of General Motors. The company's body not yet cold, and I find myself filled with -- dare I say it -- joy. It is not the joy of revenge against a corporation that ruined my hometown and brought misery, divorce, alcoholism, homelessness, physical and mental debilitation, and drug addiction to the people I grew up with. Nor do I, obviously, claim any joy in knowing that 21,000 more GM workers will be told that they, too, are without a job.
But you and I and the rest of America now own a car company! I know, I know -- who on earth wants to run a car company? Who among us wants $50 billion of our tax dollars thrown down the rat hole of still trying to save GM? Let's be clear about this: The only way to save GM is to kill GM. Saving our precious industrial infrastructure, though, is another matter and must be a top priority. If we allow the shutting down and tearing down of our auto plants, we will sorely wish we still had them when we realize that those factories could have built the alternative energy systems we now desperately need. And when we realize that the best way to transport ourselves is on light rail and bullet trains and cleaner buses, how will we do this if we've allowed our industrial capacity and its skilled workforce to disappear?
Thus, as GM is "reorganized" by the federal government and the bankruptcy court, here is the plan I am asking President Obama to implement for the good of the workers, the GM communities, and the nation as a whole. Twenty years ago when I made "Roger & Me," I tried to warn people about what was ahead for General Motors. Had the power structure and the punditocracy listened, maybe much of this could have been avoided. Based on my track record, I request an honest and sincere consideration of the following suggestions:
1. Just as President Roosevelt did after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the President must tell the nation that we are at war and we must immediately convert our auto factories to factories that build mass transit vehicles and alternative energy devices. Within months in Flint in 1942, GM halted all car production and immediately used the assembly lines to build planes, tanks and machine guns. The conversion took no time at all. Everyone pitched in. The fascists were defeated.
We are now in a different kind of war -- a war that we have conducted against the ecosystem and has been conducted by our very own corporate leaders. This current war has two fronts. One is headquartered in Detroit. The products built in the factories of GM, Ford and Chrysler are some of the greatest weapons of mass destruction responsible for global warming and the melting of our polar icecaps. The things we call "cars" may have been fun to drive, but they are like a million daggers into the heart of Mother Nature. To continue to build them would only lead to the ruin of our species and much of the planet.
The other front in this war is being waged by the oil companies against you and me. They are committed to fleecing us whenever they can, and they have been reckless stewards of the finite amount of oil that is located under the surface of the earth. They know they are sucking it bone dry. And like the lumber tycoons of the early 20th century who didn't give a damn about future generations as they tore down every forest they could get their hands on, these oil barons are not telling the public what they know to be true -- that there are only a few more decades of useable oil on this planet. And as the end days of oil approach us, get ready for some very desperate people willing to kill and be killed just to get their hands on a gallon can of gasoline.
President Obama, now that he has taken control of GM, needs to convert the factories to new and needed uses immediately.
2. Don't put another $30 billion into the coffers of GM to build cars. Instead, use that money to keep the current workforce -- and most of those who have been laid off -- employed so that they can build the new modes of 21st century transportation. Let them start the conversion work now.
3. Announce that we will have bullet trains criss-crossing this country in the next five years. Japan is celebrating the 45th anniversary of its first bullet train this year. Now they have dozens of them. Average speed: 165 mph. Average time a train is late: under 30 seconds. They have had these high speed trains for nearly five decades -- and we don't even have one! The fact that the technology already exists for us to go from New York to L.A. in 17 hours by train, and that we haven't used it, is criminal. Let's hire the unemployed to build the new high speed lines all over the country. Chicago to Detroit in less than two hours. Miami to DC in under 7 hours. Denver to Dallas in five and a half. This can be done and done now.
4. Initiate a program to put light rail mass transit lines in all our large and medium-sized cities. Build those trains in the GM factories. And hire local people everywhere to install and run this system.
5. For people in rural areas not served by the train lines, have the GM plants produce energy efficient clean buses.
6. For the time being, have some factories build hybrid or all-electric cars (and batteries). It will take a few years for people to get used to the new ways to transport ourselves, so if we're going to have automobiles, let's have kinder, gentler ones. We can be building these next month (do not believe anyone who tells you it will take years to retool the factories -- that simply isn't true).
7. Transform some of the empty GM factories to facilities that build windmills, solar panels and other means of alternate forms of energy. We need tens of millions of solar panels right now. And there is an eager and skilled workforce who can build them.
8. Provide tax incentives for those who travel by hybrid car or bus or train. Also, credits for those who convert their home to alternative energy.
9. To help pay for this, impose a two-dollar tax on every gallon of gasoline. This will get people to switch to more energy saving cars or to use the new rail lines and rail cars the former autoworkers have built for them.
Well, that's a start. Please, please, please don't save GM so that a smaller version of it will simply do nothing more than build Chevys or Cadillacs. This is not a long-term solution. Don't throw bad money into a company whose tailpipe is malfunctioning, causing a strange odor to fill the car.
100 years ago this year, the founders of General Motors convinced the world to give up their horses and saddles and buggy whips to try a new form of transportation. Now it is time for us to say goodbye to the internal combustion engine. It seemed to serve us well for so long. We enjoyed the car hops at the A&W. We made out in the front -- and the back -- seat. We watched movies on large outdoor screens, went to the races at NASCAR tracks across the country, and saw the Pacific Ocean for the first time through the window down Hwy. 1. And now it's over. It's a new day and a new century. The President -- and the UAW -- must seize this moment and create a big batch of lemonade from this very sour and sad lemon.
Yesterday, the last surviving person from the Titanic disaster passed away. She escaped certain death that night and went on to live another 97 years.
So can we survive our own Titanic in all the Flint Michigans of this country. 60% of GM is ours. I think we can do a better job.
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Posted by: CarlaWaters on Jun 1, 2009 8:22 AM
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"4. Initiate a program to put light rail mass transit lines in all our large and medium-sized cities. Build those trains in the GM factories. And hire local people everywhere to install and run this system. "
I hope Washington Metro gets extended to Dulles already so that our trip from Sterling to Arlington isn't so rough and back as well. Even with HOV and paying the toll on 267 just to cut down some of the traffic time, my husband and I can't stand the growing heavy traffic nor having to watch more gas guzzling SUVs on the highway !
"5. For people in rural areas not served by the train lines, have the GM plants produce energy efficient clean buses."
First make them available and stop forcing people to "fix" their timing to catch them. Forcing someone to wait another hour because they missed the last stop needs to STOP. How about 15 minute intervals instead of 30-60 minute wait times? And every time a buses misses its schedule, it should have no right to skip its stops which it often does.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 1, 2009 9:08 AM
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What dose this have to do with GM, well the rest of the automakers will suffer the same faith if there ways don't change asap. I'm not some green snob whom wants the latest roller skate with a lawnmower engine. I'm the guy you HATE because I'm hording my cash and buying used however American Car Culture must change and it doesn't start with only the car but the way we live and consume. This is not about the Earth becuase She can same herself, you need to rediscover the bus oh and ditch that Subdivision for some good ole American Ghetto (put some paint on that 3 bedroom flat) it will look good.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 1, 2009 9:22 AM
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He is completely correct that the right-wing, deregulation, globalization, free market ideology has arrogantly destroyed the once proud workers of the auto industry, and destroyed the entire industry itself. An ideology that Wall Street also followed, arrogantly driving the economy into the ground.
So who does the CEOs and FOX news pundits blame for the collapse? The 'high paid' workers. What garbage!
It's sickening to watch a media campaign against the auto workers. The lies about what the workers are paid, their pensions are too expensive, etc. Notice it's the same thinking, as Moore mentions, where in the prosperous 80s the CEOs needlessly squeezed out even more profit for themselves by eliminating American workers, their jobs, their communities, and shipped it all off to Mexico and other far away places. Now these same CEOs expect to get billions of tax dollars to keep doing the same?!?! Did I mention it was sickening?
An economy is created not by banks, not by foreign imports, and not by corporate accounting. There is only one thing that creates a healthy economy... jobs.
The fact that the US Government, still stuck in it's free market ideology like much of the Western world, refuses to change or have the guts to say to the CEOs and Wall Street that this is a FAILED economic philosophy, will only lengthen and worsen the poverty and misery of the American people.
We need an FDR. A real statesmen. A real leader who understands that America was great and prosperous back in those days. The days of thoughtful regulation and law for a competitive and healthy capitalism. The ideologies that created the free-for-all on Wall Street and the auto industry since the 80s has destroyed our economy.
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Posted by: Tweck9 on Jun 1, 2009 10:31 AM
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But I can't fault you for having great ideas. Keep up the good work, Mr. Moore.
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 1, 2009 10:32 AM
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So let GM fail, and lets slide Raser Technologies, a company that just turned a Hummer H3 into a plugin Hybrid getting 100MPG a few of the billion we were gonna give GM.
They just demonstrated it to Congress Raser Technologies Shows off 100 mpg hummer of Capitol Hill, yet the only place you're hearing about it is on the net.
This is of course a full TWO YEARS after a DIYer named John Goodwin converted a hummer to get 60 MPG biofueled hybrid in his freaking garage.
GM needs to be put down like the archaic dinosaur that it is and people like Raser and Goodwin need to take it's place. I'd happily give them the $25 billion already given to GM along with all of GM's facilities just to get some decent American Made sustainable transportation on the roads.
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Posted by: sausage on Jun 1, 2009 10:36 AM
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Posted by: thethinkingman on Jun 1, 2009 10:42 AM
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Put a huge tax on gas . . absolutely, the rest of us on the planet are paying well over $5 a gallon now. Catch up America.
Get those jobs out of third world sinkholes and bring them back to the USA.
The rest of his musings on alternative transport systems need to be resolved by innovation and the market.
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 1, 2009 10:50 AM
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I have a crappy ready to fall apart SUV I originally bought fiveish years ago before I became a married, environmentally conscious homeowning dad. It gets crappy gas mileage and I really would like to ditch it and get something that gets at least 30mpg if not a Prius. But that's a hard thing to do with the way lenders are lending these days.
And I'm going to tell you now that going back to the days of the $4-$5 a gallon gasoline will kill me. Between my own vehicle and my wife's we only just barely survived the first time without losing our house.
AND in case Mike hadn't noticed, since he's raking in the dough these days, when the price of gas went up the price of everything (except houses) went up.
As it stands I can't even sell my house to move closer to work, as was my original intent, because it's no longer worth what I owe on it and nobody's really buying houses these days.
There are no buses in my area that will drive the 40 miles to my work. There is a train but it will effectively double the length (timewise) of my commute each way, because I have to drive to the station, wait for it, get on the train and wait as it stops along the way before finally getting to the destination. Price wise it would be roughly the same as me driving to work each day at $5 a gallon - I checked when I first moved here. I have already spent 3 hour a day in a car stuck in traffic jams when my job moved to 60 miles away for six months. I'm all for clean renewable power, strict CAFE standards and the development of hybrid and plugin EV cars. But I'm not wasting 3 hours of my life every day just for 'feel good' nonsense that's going to hurt me more than help me.
Sorry Mike but your utopia isn't going to work for everybody. My case is a perfect example. Unless of course you'd like to buy my house so I can move closer to work.
Hell I'd rather have someone else drive and fall asleep on the way to work. But in the mean time while we're building all this extra infrastructure to support your rail trains - people and goods gotta move. Taxing every gallon of gas, will merely be a punishment on the middle class because we'll be the ones bearing the burden and all it's ripple effects.
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Posted by: truthteller on Jun 1, 2009 10:48 AM
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For almost 50 years, GM was the largest manufacturer of transit buses (GMC Motor Coach Div.) and Diesel-Electric locomotives (Electro-Motive Div. - or EMD) in the U. S. In-fact, GM used it's bus division as part of the National City Lines conspiracy (along with Standard Oil of CA and Firestone) in the 1930's and '40's to help put dozens of trolley companies out of business, replace them with inferior busses, and eventually compel people to buy cars.
So the chickens have come home to roost. The arrogance of GM and the rest of Detroit drove Baby-Boomers like me to reject their offerings 30+ years ago, since they never did build a decent small car. When I bought my first Japanese sub-compact back then, my American choices were: Chevy Vega, Ford Pinto, and AMC Gremlin. Chrysler didn't even offer a small car. No wonder I, and about half of my generation, took a walk elsewhere and never came back.
I disagree with Mr. Moore's plan in a couple of places. First, no other country with true, high-speed passenger rail has built it without already having an extensive and integrated network of conventional passenger trains, busses, trollies and subways, all operating in easy to use harmony with each other. Doesn't sound a thing like what we have here. We have to walk (or crawl in our case), before we can run with anything approaching what France or Japan has. Maglev is pie-in-the-sky, extremely energy intensive and not worth the cost, given the dire and looming circumstances we face.
Mike, there is enough work for anyone who wants it, for the rest of our lives, creating a decent conventional passenger rail network that makes flying under 300 miles unnecessary. That should be our first goal. That is the current thinking in Europe now - no domestic flights under 300 miles. These medium distance trains should feed into a vastly expanded national Amtrak system. Despite what it's critics say, Amtrak exists, has the infrastructure, trackage rights, and employee expertise to operate a national rail-passenger system, and the American people already own it.
Second, as much as I believe we need to use a gas tax to either force Americans out of their cars, or to use smaller cars, an immediate $2/gal. tax will hurt the very displaced workers that Mr. Moore champions. If a gas tax is imposed, there has to be a way to exempt low-income people, at least until the infrastructure makes it possible for them to not have to own a car. I think many of us agree that the suburban car culture that James Howard Kunstler calls "The Era of Happy Motoring" is over, but we need to figure out a way to re-compact our living arrangements to make the use of transit practical, without bankrupting working-class people who currently live too far away to use it.
This all must be tied together with plans to draw down World population and consumption to sustainable levels - under 2 Billion people consuming at a pre-Industrial Revolution rate. Otherwise, we will still crash most life on Earth.
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 1, 2009 10:58 AM
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Here's a suggestion (almost straight from Pickins):
Replace all transport trucks such as 18 wheelers, trash haulers, municipal vehicles with natural gas run vehicles. Make it both mandatory and government subsidized and get the infrastructure up across the nation. Not exactly the best solution (since you still gotta drill for it and it's not renewable) but you can't really run a big rig off of electricity just yet and goods gotta move or the whole nation shuts down.
Also, put up wind power generators -everywhere- there's a decent sustained wind. Put up solar power collectors -everywhere- there's decent sustained sunlight. Feed all that into the power grid and into people's houses as needed.
Help supposed the growth of community (especially urban) gardening to cut down the reliance on shipped foodstuffs - the backbone of our pollution problems.
Paint stuff white. Roadways. Rooftops. Anything exposed to sunlight yet not covered in solar panels. White reflects sunlight back up and with luck back out into space thus reducing warming.
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Posted by: Farasien on Jun 1, 2009 11:00 AM
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The USA, as an empire, is in its death throes. If you look back in history at the Romans, the Phoneticians, the Egyptians and others, they all went through a cycle. It starts with discovery and a sense of destiny, progresses to expansion, plateaus, then decline and death. The declination is slow at first, the inverse of the civilization's rise, but accelerates and eventually falls with a resounding crash. Back in the day, GM said "what's best for GM is best for America!", essentially tying its fate to the USA. Unfortunately, through many of the mechanisms we invented, we are headed the same course as GM. The difference is, there is no even larger and richer entity standing by to help put us on life support when we finally hit bottom.
The end of an empire is marked more by the character of a people rather than the health of its checkbook, and I don't know if you've looked around much lately, but the people who have the capacity to initiate the change we need to divert this ship from its date with the iceberg are AWOL. We lack the will to even turn off celebrity news, much less institute- or rather, demand our supposedly elected officials institute to save anything. I;ve been saying for a while now that until the vast majority of Americans are starving in the streets, nothing can or will change. The powerbrokers in this country learned the lessons of Cesar when he called for his blood and circuses all too well, and are playing us all like fiddles. I wish I had your optimism, but I understand history too well. I am of the younger end of the X generation. I have many friends of the so-called Y generation and from all I've seen, we typify the people who exist just before the great fall of a large civilization- apathetic, overly-entitled, easily distracted and drunk off the success our forebears brought us at the cost of their own lives. From everything I've seen over my life, our course is and will remain the dead center of the iceberg and nothing short of a world-wide catastrophe or a few decades of privation and decline will change it.
Here's to hoping I'm wrong...
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Posted by: Wells on Jun 1, 2009 12:13 PM
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GM should divest of Pontiac, Saturn, Chevrolet, Buick and Cadillac. These car companies should receive public assistance to continue manufacturing and marketing with the proviso that plug-in hybrid models are offered and promoted.
Plug-in hybrids should use NiMh battery packs. They have sufficient storage capacity and are road tested to last 100,000+ miles. There is no need to delay for Lithium-ion battery packs which are as yet unproven. The NiMh extra weight when mounted on the frame lowers vehicle center-of-gravity, improving stability and handling, perfect for top-heavy, roll-prone SUVs and any car.
GMC may place that brand name on trucks and vans only. They may market those models at the restructured 'car' company dealers. GM's trucks and vans also must produce and promote plug-in hybrid models.
GM may produce one more fleet product: low-floor, hybrid drivetrain, paratransit vans. These public transit vehicles are long overdue for low-floor models. Seniors and the disabled need these vehicles to have simpler, less strenuous boarding. GM and Ford may compete for this market.
The Plug-in hybrid drivetrain offers safety features that are impossible to achieve in standard drivetrain. Plug-in hybrids are an intregal part of a modernized and more energy efficient utility grid that can store surplus energy generated overnight and add supply during peak late afternoon hours. Households with a plug-in hybrid gain the means survive an emergency grid failure and with rooftop photovoltiac solar panel systems, indefinitely. It is in the public interest to produce plug-in hybrids.
Neither GM nor Chrysler intend to produce practical hybrids because they'll last years longer and drive 50% or 200,000+ more miles before needing replacement. Even then their resale value is higher than cars with standard drivetrains.
Michael Moore is correct. The problem is GM. Light rail systems however have more potential to reduce traffic and car-dependency than electrified high-speed rail systems. We need to reduce our very need for long-distance travel and transport via flight, car, truck, shipping and trains. Light rail systems can do more to help inner-city neighborhoods and commercial environs become places we don't want to flee, in our cars, planes and trains. There is a lot of work to do in this regard.
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Posted by: chomsky on Jun 1, 2009 12:50 PM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 1, 2009 1:30 PM
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Canadian employees & unions have been treated like dogs by both American unions & car companies.
I can't *wait* for Canadians to figure out that we can take being abused... or take the fallout & create a sustainable, useful car industry
made in Canada for Canadians.
we've taken enough abuses.
Our economy has been destroyed over 30+ years
Our ecology has been eroded...
& the last vestiges of union rights have been whittled down by concessions that were only negotiated to 'drive home the union busting' while the car executives in the US already *knew* they were closing down...
they wanted to know how low we could go in desperation.
we'll, we're fucked now... time to stop pretending that American car companies would rather turn us into Mexico, Saipan or Puerto Rico than treat us as equals.
TIME TO MAKE OUR OWN CAR COMPANIES!
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Posted by: ellie on Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM
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one reason cited above is the high cost of groceries... how about going back to american grown seasonal food or a garden of your own now the weather is nice... you will live without strawberries for christmas, trust me!!!
most trucking companies contracted transportation bids last summer when we were choking on gas prices... looks like this will be in the cards again as we get closer to the promised $70.00 per barrel demanded by OPEC, so if it's too expensive to ship by truck, don't unless it's by rail... cut OPEC off...
there is no way I'm going to get into those miniature (like the 2 seaters seen around here once and a while) electric econo boxes with several tons of steel aiming for me (conventional cars and trucks)...
outlaw the gasoline machine and dig up the asphalt that paved over all the electric trolley lines and add to them, then outlaw gas powered machines by area as the lines come on line... in the last century, entire towns moved to be closer to interstate exits, so turn the interstates into rail lines...
the big 3 idiots can quickly re-tool and begin production of mass transit quickly (in the US)... if you live too far for a train or trolley line, get rid your home somehow for a place near a line... either bike or walk to the stop...
no more school buses... bike or walk... neighborhood schools again...
electric utility company execs should be forced to buy un-used power from solar and wind power and become public utilities again, not profit makers...
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Jun 1, 2009 7:23 PM
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Nationalizing the auto industry seemed to be a priority for Obama.. Unfortunately, I'll pass on Government motors. Ford is still safe and if Fiat finalizes the deal with Chrysler thats an alternative. I'd rather seem GM and the UAw go away - it's all they deserve!
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 2, 2009 6:09 AM
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Other than the $2 per gallon tax on gas which would be a bullet to the back of the head of the remaining middle class in this country, I agree with all his suggestions.
No, that doesn't taste good.
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Posted by: peppylapew on Jun 2, 2009 6:50 AM
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In feudal society, only the nobility and its muscle had horses. Everybody else walked. Let's not go back there.
A major component of US economic productivity is the mobility of its workforce. In the United States, west of Manhattan, mass transit, if it even existed, would force people to waste hours on their commute.
Rather than resort to regressive taxation, as Mr Moore suggests, or regressive mass transportation solutions, let's use this crisis to reinvent urban transit. Let's synthesize the advantages of light rail (fuel efficiency, clean electric propulsion, safety, and speed) with those of private cars (flexibility, convenience, and personal security).
It's called "personal rapid transit" and, conceptually, it's been around a while. The start-up costs would be high, but for a nation that can afford to throw $12t down a rat hole on Wall Street, it is financially doable. With a Moonshot-style crash program piggybacking on work already done, we could start the build-out in five years.
One great thing about PRT is its adaptability: a compact rail system for private cars would be relatively inexpensive to install on existing ROW and in terms of noise pollution, relatively unobtrusive, so it could be routed almost anywhere. Since the grid would be electric, our fleet could make a quantum leap away from "fossil" fuels; batteries can be recharged after one's car merges onto the ultralight rail system, overcoming the limitation on range imposed by current battery technology.
New technologies + new infrastructure = lots of new productive jobs. Plus, playing to its strengths in high-technology design and manufacturing, the US would in short order possess a leading-edge export industry that, for once, doesn't involve death/dismemberment.
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Posted by: lorenzodimedici1 on Jun 5, 2009 6:07 AM
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The central fact is that it takes buyers to complete sales. Those buyers each made individual decisions on what to buy. Most of them took out loans to help pursue their "lifestyle", although many were interested in the utilitarian aspects of their chosen vehicle. Many former GM buyers (myself included) switched away after experiencing the planned obsolescence and maintenance problems.
The auto industry development took decades that overlapped with, and was integral to, US industrial and economic development.
There is no panacea for the present problems but there is a clear over-capacity.
Moore's throw-away lines about past employment trends don't stand up to scrutiny. There was no logical expectation for a continued GM workforce that grew over 500,000. The technical progress and income growth that coincided with the US development were pointing toward greater shifts to capital and away from labor so many of those hundreds of thousands were essentially short-term positions. GM bought off the UAW by promising greater rewards and then got stung when their business model was exposed for being less adaptable than the rest of the economy. They built in a huge fixed-cost base that was an invitation to event risk.
I am sad for the residents of Flint and other factory towns, and wish them the best as they relocate and retrain for new lives. Uncle Sugar will only help some of them.
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Posted by: SicfkOfBush on Jun 5, 2009 2:42 PM
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What might be worth considering would be battery-powered vehicles capable of hitching onto a rail line of sorts with a computer-entered code to enact exit drop off at a selected point then run on battery over a local area . On the rail line, the battery could be recharged as well as at home, the office, at a shopping center, etc. Over long distances the driver could read, work on some paper work, even sleep, use a computer, watch television, or whatever. Add a bed and a trip from New York to Chicago or Cleveland could be made in relative comfort and probably more cheaply. And, you still have all the needed flexibility.
The "rail lines" would cost a small fraction of an expressway and require the taking a small fraction of land. Again, the key point is flexiblility.
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Posted by: CarlaWaters on Jun 1, 2009 8:22 AM
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"4. Initiate a program to put light rail mass transit lines in all our large and medium-sized cities. Build those trains in the GM factories. And hire local people everywhere to install and run this system. "
I hope Washington Metro gets extended to Dulles already so that our trip from Sterling to Arlington isn't so rough and back as well. Even with HOV and paying the toll on 267 just to cut down some of the traffic time, my husband and I can't stand the growing heavy traffic nor having to watch more gas guzzling SUVs on the highway !
"5. For people in rural areas not served by the train lines, have the GM plants produce energy efficient clean buses."
First make them available and stop forcing people to "fix" their timing to catch them. Forcing someone to wait another hour because they missed the last stop needs to STOP. How about 15 minute intervals instead of 30-60 minute wait times? And every time a buses misses its schedule, it should have no right to skip its stops which it often does.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 1, 2009 9:08 AM
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What dose this have to do with GM, well the rest of the automakers will suffer the same faith if there ways don't change asap. I'm not some green snob whom wants the latest roller skate with a lawnmower engine. I'm the guy you HATE because I'm hording my cash and buying used however American Car Culture must change and it doesn't start with only the car but the way we live and consume. This is not about the Earth becuase She can same herself, you need to rediscover the bus oh and ditch that Subdivision for some good ole American Ghetto (put some paint on that 3 bedroom flat) it will look good.
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 1, 2009 9:22 AM
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He is completely correct that the right-wing, deregulation, globalization, free market ideology has arrogantly destroyed the once proud workers of the auto industry, and destroyed the entire industry itself. An ideology that Wall Street also followed, arrogantly driving the economy into the ground.
So who does the CEOs and FOX news pundits blame for the collapse? The 'high paid' workers. What garbage!
It's sickening to watch a media campaign against the auto workers. The lies about what the workers are paid, their pensions are too expensive, etc. Notice it's the same thinking, as Moore mentions, where in the prosperous 80s the CEOs needlessly squeezed out even more profit for themselves by eliminating American workers, their jobs, their communities, and shipped it all off to Mexico and other far away places. Now these same CEOs expect to get billions of tax dollars to keep doing the same?!?! Did I mention it was sickening?
An economy is created not by banks, not by foreign imports, and not by corporate accounting. There is only one thing that creates a healthy economy... jobs.
The fact that the US Government, still stuck in it's free market ideology like much of the Western world, refuses to change or have the guts to say to the CEOs and Wall Street that this is a FAILED economic philosophy, will only lengthen and worsen the poverty and misery of the American people.
We need an FDR. A real statesmen. A real leader who understands that America was great and prosperous back in those days. The days of thoughtful regulation and law for a competitive and healthy capitalism. The ideologies that created the free-for-all on Wall Street and the auto industry since the 80s has destroyed our economy.
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Posted by: Tweck9 on Jun 1, 2009 10:31 AM
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But I can't fault you for having great ideas. Keep up the good work, Mr. Moore.
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 1, 2009 10:32 AM
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So let GM fail, and lets slide Raser Technologies, a company that just turned a Hummer H3 into a plugin Hybrid getting 100MPG a few of the billion we were gonna give GM.
They just demonstrated it to Congress Raser Technologies Shows off 100 mpg hummer of Capitol Hill, yet the only place you're hearing about it is on the net.
This is of course a full TWO YEARS after a DIYer named John Goodwin converted a hummer to get 60 MPG biofueled hybrid in his freaking garage.
GM needs to be put down like the archaic dinosaur that it is and people like Raser and Goodwin need to take it's place. I'd happily give them the $25 billion already given to GM along with all of GM's facilities just to get some decent American Made sustainable transportation on the roads.
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Posted by: thethinkingman on Jun 1, 2009 10:42 AM
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Put a huge tax on gas . . absolutely, the rest of us on the planet are paying well over $5 a gallon now. Catch up America.
Get those jobs out of third world sinkholes and bring them back to the USA.
The rest of his musings on alternative transport systems need to be resolved by innovation and the market.
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 1, 2009 10:50 AM
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I have a crappy ready to fall apart SUV I originally bought fiveish years ago before I became a married, environmentally conscious homeowning dad. It gets crappy gas mileage and I really would like to ditch it and get something that gets at least 30mpg if not a Prius. But that's a hard thing to do with the way lenders are lending these days.
And I'm going to tell you now that going back to the days of the $4-$5 a gallon gasoline will kill me. Between my own vehicle and my wife's we only just barely survived the first time without losing our house.
AND in case Mike hadn't noticed, since he's raking in the dough these days, when the price of gas went up the price of everything (except houses) went up.
As it stands I can't even sell my house to move closer to work, as was my original intent, because it's no longer worth what I owe on it and nobody's really buying houses these days.
There are no buses in my area that will drive the 40 miles to my work. There is a train but it will effectively double the length (timewise) of my commute each way, because I have to drive to the station, wait for it, get on the train and wait as it stops along the way before finally getting to the destination. Price wise it would be roughly the same as me driving to work each day at $5 a gallon - I checked when I first moved here. I have already spent 3 hour a day in a car stuck in traffic jams when my job moved to 60 miles away for six months. I'm all for clean renewable power, strict CAFE standards and the development of hybrid and plugin EV cars. But I'm not wasting 3 hours of my life every day just for 'feel good' nonsense that's going to hurt me more than help me.
Sorry Mike but your utopia isn't going to work for everybody. My case is a perfect example. Unless of course you'd like to buy my house so I can move closer to work.
Hell I'd rather have someone else drive and fall asleep on the way to work. But in the mean time while we're building all this extra infrastructure to support your rail trains - people and goods gotta move. Taxing every gallon of gas, will merely be a punishment on the middle class because we'll be the ones bearing the burden and all it's ripple effects.
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Posted by: truthteller on Jun 1, 2009 10:48 AM
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For almost 50 years, GM was the largest manufacturer of transit buses (GMC Motor Coach Div.) and Diesel-Electric locomotives (Electro-Motive Div. - or EMD) in the U. S. In-fact, GM used it's bus division as part of the National City Lines conspiracy (along with Standard Oil of CA and Firestone) in the 1930's and '40's to help put dozens of trolley companies out of business, replace them with inferior busses, and eventually compel people to buy cars.
So the chickens have come home to roost. The arrogance of GM and the rest of Detroit drove Baby-Boomers like me to reject their offerings 30+ years ago, since they never did build a decent small car. When I bought my first Japanese sub-compact back then, my American choices were: Chevy Vega, Ford Pinto, and AMC Gremlin. Chrysler didn't even offer a small car. No wonder I, and about half of my generation, took a walk elsewhere and never came back.
I disagree with Mr. Moore's plan in a couple of places. First, no other country with true, high-speed passenger rail has built it without already having an extensive and integrated network of conventional passenger trains, busses, trollies and subways, all operating in easy to use harmony with each other. Doesn't sound a thing like what we have here. We have to walk (or crawl in our case), before we can run with anything approaching what France or Japan has. Maglev is pie-in-the-sky, extremely energy intensive and not worth the cost, given the dire and looming circumstances we face.
Mike, there is enough work for anyone who wants it, for the rest of our lives, creating a decent conventional passenger rail network that makes flying under 300 miles unnecessary. That should be our first goal. That is the current thinking in Europe now - no domestic flights under 300 miles. These medium distance trains should feed into a vastly expanded national Amtrak system. Despite what it's critics say, Amtrak exists, has the infrastructure, trackage rights, and employee expertise to operate a national rail-passenger system, and the American people already own it.
Second, as much as I believe we need to use a gas tax to either force Americans out of their cars, or to use smaller cars, an immediate $2/gal. tax will hurt the very displaced workers that Mr. Moore champions. If a gas tax is imposed, there has to be a way to exempt low-income people, at least until the infrastructure makes it possible for them to not have to own a car. I think many of us agree that the suburban car culture that James Howard Kunstler calls "The Era of Happy Motoring" is over, but we need to figure out a way to re-compact our living arrangements to make the use of transit practical, without bankrupting working-class people who currently live too far away to use it.
This all must be tied together with plans to draw down World population and consumption to sustainable levels - under 2 Billion people consuming at a pre-Industrial Revolution rate. Otherwise, we will still crash most life on Earth.
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 1, 2009 10:58 AM
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Here's a suggestion (almost straight from Pickins):
Replace all transport trucks such as 18 wheelers, trash haulers, municipal vehicles with natural gas run vehicles. Make it both mandatory and government subsidized and get the infrastructure up across the nation. Not exactly the best solution (since you still gotta drill for it and it's not renewable) but you can't really run a big rig off of electricity just yet and goods gotta move or the whole nation shuts down.
Also, put up wind power generators -everywhere- there's a decent sustained wind. Put up solar power collectors -everywhere- there's decent sustained sunlight. Feed all that into the power grid and into people's houses as needed.
Help supposed the growth of community (especially urban) gardening to cut down the reliance on shipped foodstuffs - the backbone of our pollution problems.
Paint stuff white. Roadways. Rooftops. Anything exposed to sunlight yet not covered in solar panels. White reflects sunlight back up and with luck back out into space thus reducing warming.
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Posted by: Farasien on Jun 1, 2009 11:00 AM
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The USA, as an empire, is in its death throes. If you look back in history at the Romans, the Phoneticians, the Egyptians and others, they all went through a cycle. It starts with discovery and a sense of destiny, progresses to expansion, plateaus, then decline and death. The declination is slow at first, the inverse of the civilization's rise, but accelerates and eventually falls with a resounding crash. Back in the day, GM said "what's best for GM is best for America!", essentially tying its fate to the USA. Unfortunately, through many of the mechanisms we invented, we are headed the same course as GM. The difference is, there is no even larger and richer entity standing by to help put us on life support when we finally hit bottom.
The end of an empire is marked more by the character of a people rather than the health of its checkbook, and I don't know if you've looked around much lately, but the people who have the capacity to initiate the change we need to divert this ship from its date with the iceberg are AWOL. We lack the will to even turn off celebrity news, much less institute- or rather, demand our supposedly elected officials institute to save anything. I;ve been saying for a while now that until the vast majority of Americans are starving in the streets, nothing can or will change. The powerbrokers in this country learned the lessons of Cesar when he called for his blood and circuses all too well, and are playing us all like fiddles. I wish I had your optimism, but I understand history too well. I am of the younger end of the X generation. I have many friends of the so-called Y generation and from all I've seen, we typify the people who exist just before the great fall of a large civilization- apathetic, overly-entitled, easily distracted and drunk off the success our forebears brought us at the cost of their own lives. From everything I've seen over my life, our course is and will remain the dead center of the iceberg and nothing short of a world-wide catastrophe or a few decades of privation and decline will change it.
Here's to hoping I'm wrong...
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Posted by: Wells on Jun 1, 2009 12:13 PM
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GM should divest of Pontiac, Saturn, Chevrolet, Buick and Cadillac. These car companies should receive public assistance to continue manufacturing and marketing with the proviso that plug-in hybrid models are offered and promoted.
Plug-in hybrids should use NiMh battery packs. They have sufficient storage capacity and are road tested to last 100,000+ miles. There is no need to delay for Lithium-ion battery packs which are as yet unproven. The NiMh extra weight when mounted on the frame lowers vehicle center-of-gravity, improving stability and handling, perfect for top-heavy, roll-prone SUVs and any car.
GMC may place that brand name on trucks and vans only. They may market those models at the restructured 'car' company dealers. GM's trucks and vans also must produce and promote plug-in hybrid models.
GM may produce one more fleet product: low-floor, hybrid drivetrain, paratransit vans. These public transit vehicles are long overdue for low-floor models. Seniors and the disabled need these vehicles to have simpler, less strenuous boarding. GM and Ford may compete for this market.
The Plug-in hybrid drivetrain offers safety features that are impossible to achieve in standard drivetrain. Plug-in hybrids are an intregal part of a modernized and more energy efficient utility grid that can store surplus energy generated overnight and add supply during peak late afternoon hours. Households with a plug-in hybrid gain the means survive an emergency grid failure and with rooftop photovoltiac solar panel systems, indefinitely. It is in the public interest to produce plug-in hybrids.
Neither GM nor Chrysler intend to produce practical hybrids because they'll last years longer and drive 50% or 200,000+ more miles before needing replacement. Even then their resale value is higher than cars with standard drivetrains.
Michael Moore is correct. The problem is GM. Light rail systems however have more potential to reduce traffic and car-dependency than electrified high-speed rail systems. We need to reduce our very need for long-distance travel and transport via flight, car, truck, shipping and trains. Light rail systems can do more to help inner-city neighborhoods and commercial environs become places we don't want to flee, in our cars, planes and trains. There is a lot of work to do in this regard.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 1, 2009 1:30 PM
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Canadian employees & unions have been treated like dogs by both American unions & car companies.
I can't *wait* for Canadians to figure out that we can take being abused... or take the fallout & create a sustainable, useful car industry
made in Canada for Canadians.
we've taken enough abuses.
Our economy has been destroyed over 30+ years
Our ecology has been eroded...
& the last vestiges of union rights have been whittled down by concessions that were only negotiated to 'drive home the union busting' while the car executives in the US already *knew* they were closing down...
they wanted to know how low we could go in desperation.
we'll, we're fucked now... time to stop pretending that American car companies would rather turn us into Mexico, Saipan or Puerto Rico than treat us as equals.
TIME TO MAKE OUR OWN CAR COMPANIES!
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Posted by: ellie on Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM
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one reason cited above is the high cost of groceries... how about going back to american grown seasonal food or a garden of your own now the weather is nice... you will live without strawberries for christmas, trust me!!!
most trucking companies contracted transportation bids last summer when we were choking on gas prices... looks like this will be in the cards again as we get closer to the promised $70.00 per barrel demanded by OPEC, so if it's too expensive to ship by truck, don't unless it's by rail... cut OPEC off...
there is no way I'm going to get into those miniature (like the 2 seaters seen around here once and a while) electric econo boxes with several tons of steel aiming for me (conventional cars and trucks)...
outlaw the gasoline machine and dig up the asphalt that paved over all the electric trolley lines and add to them, then outlaw gas powered machines by area as the lines come on line... in the last century, entire towns moved to be closer to interstate exits, so turn the interstates into rail lines...
the big 3 idiots can quickly re-tool and begin production of mass transit quickly (in the US)... if you live too far for a train or trolley line, get rid your home somehow for a place near a line... either bike or walk to the stop...
no more school buses... bike or walk... neighborhood schools again...
electric utility company execs should be forced to buy un-used power from solar and wind power and become public utilities again, not profit makers...
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Jun 1, 2009 7:23 PM
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Nationalizing the auto industry seemed to be a priority for Obama.. Unfortunately, I'll pass on Government motors. Ford is still safe and if Fiat finalizes the deal with Chrysler thats an alternative. I'd rather seem GM and the UAw go away - it's all they deserve!
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Posted by: rickiey on Jun 2, 2009 6:09 AM
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Other than the $2 per gallon tax on gas which would be a bullet to the back of the head of the remaining middle class in this country, I agree with all his suggestions.
No, that doesn't taste good.
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Posted by: peppylapew on Jun 2, 2009 6:50 AM
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In feudal society, only the nobility and its muscle had horses. Everybody else walked. Let's not go back there.
A major component of US economic productivity is the mobility of its workforce. In the United States, west of Manhattan, mass transit, if it even existed, would force people to waste hours on their commute.
Rather than resort to regressive taxation, as Mr Moore suggests, or regressive mass transportation solutions, let's use this crisis to reinvent urban transit. Let's synthesize the advantages of light rail (fuel efficiency, clean electric propulsion, safety, and speed) with those of private cars (flexibility, convenience, and personal security).
It's called "personal rapid transit" and, conceptually, it's been around a while. The start-up costs would be high, but for a nation that can afford to throw $12t down a rat hole on Wall Street, it is financially doable. With a Moonshot-style crash program piggybacking on work already done, we could start the build-out in five years.
One great thing about PRT is its adaptability: a compact rail system for private cars would be relatively inexpensive to install on existing ROW and in terms of noise pollution, relatively unobtrusive, so it could be routed almost anywhere. Since the grid would be electric, our fleet could make a quantum leap away from "fossil" fuels; batteries can be recharged after one's car merges onto the ultralight rail system, overcoming the limitation on range imposed by current battery technology.
New technologies + new infrastructure = lots of new productive jobs. Plus, playing to its strengths in high-technology design and manufacturing, the US would in short order possess a leading-edge export industry that, for once, doesn't involve death/dismemberment.
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Posted by: lorenzodimedici1 on Jun 5, 2009 6:07 AM
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The central fact is that it takes buyers to complete sales. Those buyers each made individual decisions on what to buy. Most of them took out loans to help pursue their "lifestyle", although many were interested in the utilitarian aspects of their chosen vehicle. Many former GM buyers (myself included) switched away after experiencing the planned obsolescence and maintenance problems.
The auto industry development took decades that overlapped with, and was integral to, US industrial and economic development.
There is no panacea for the present problems but there is a clear over-capacity.
Moore's throw-away lines about past employment trends don't stand up to scrutiny. There was no logical expectation for a continued GM workforce that grew over 500,000. The technical progress and income growth that coincided with the US development were pointing toward greater shifts to capital and away from labor so many of those hundreds of thousands were essentially short-term positions. GM bought off the UAW by promising greater rewards and then got stung when their business model was exposed for being less adaptable than the rest of the economy. They built in a huge fixed-cost base that was an invitation to event risk.
I am sad for the residents of Flint and other factory towns, and wish them the best as they relocate and retrain for new lives. Uncle Sugar will only help some of them.
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Posted by: SicfkOfBush on Jun 5, 2009 2:42 PM
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What might be worth considering would be battery-powered vehicles capable of hitching onto a rail line of sorts with a computer-entered code to enact exit drop off at a selected point then run on battery over a local area . On the rail line, the battery could be recharged as well as at home, the office, at a shopping center, etc. Over long distances the driver could read, work on some paper work, even sleep, use a computer, watch television, or whatever. Add a bed and a trip from New York to Chicago or Cleveland could be made in relative comfort and probably more cheaply. And, you still have all the needed flexibility.
The "rail lines" would cost a small fraction of an expressway and require the taking a small fraction of land. Again, the key point is flexiblility.
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