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The Looting of America: How Wall Street Fleeced Millions from Wisconsin Schools

Wall Street investment houses went after the $100 billion saved in school-district trust funds like Whitefish Bay's, and made a killing.
June 3, 2009  |  
 
 
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The following is an excerpt from Les Leopold's new book, "The Looting of America" (Chelsea Green, 2009).

The Hooking of Whitefish Bay

The great economic crash of 2008 tore right through Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin, population 13,500—though you’d never guess it from looking around town.

Located just a few miles north of Milwaukee, this golden village exudes the hopeful self-confidence of the early 1960s. Whitefish Bay’s stately mansions offer breathtaking views of Lake Michigan from cliffs that rise a hundred feet above the shoreline. As you head inland on its tree-lined streets, the houses slowly shrink back into sturdy, middle-class neighborhoods. The stores on Silver Spring Drive, its main shopping strip, have survived despite fierce competition from the nearby Bayshore Mall (a self-contained ultramodern shopping village with faux streets, a faux town square, and real condos). Whitefish Bay also supports an art deco movie theater that serves meals while you watch the show, and a top-notch supermarket, fish market, and bakery. Nothing is out of place—except you, if you happen to be brown or black. Whitefish Bay is 94 percent white and only 1 percent black. There’s a reason the town’s unfortunate moniker is White Folks Bay.

Yet this white-collar town voted for Obama—and has always voted for its schools, which are considered among the best in the state. Its residents’ deep pockets supply the school system with all the extras: In 2007, $700,000 in donations provided “opportunities, services and facilities for students.” The investment has paid off. An average of 94 percent of Whitefish Bay’s high school graduates go on to college immediately. And the school dropout rate is less than half of 1 percent.

The school district takes its fiscal responsibilities seriously. It has set up a trust fund to pay benefits, primarily health insurance, for retired school employees. When these benefits (called “Other Post-Employment Benefits” or OPEB) were originally negotiated, the expense was modest. But then health care costs exploded. What’s more, accounting rules now require that school districts amortize these costs and post them on their books as a liability each year. Whitefish Bay, like many other school districts, became worried about how to meet these liabilities.

Whitefish Bay is a town full of financially sophisticated residents, including its school managers. They sought to pump up the OPEB trust fund quickly so they could keep their promises to retirees. As responsible guardians of the town’s resources, they looked for the highest rate of return at a minimal risk to the fund’s principal. As Shaun Yde, the school district’s director of business services, put it, the goal was to “guarantee a secure future for our employees without increasing the burden on our taxpayers or decreasing the funds available to our students to fund their education.”

Meanwhile, Wall Street investment houses had set their sights on school-district trust funds like Whitefish Bay’s. They hoped to persuade districts to stop stashing this money—valued at well above $100 billion nationwide in 2006—in treasury bonds and federally insured certificates of deposit (CDs). Wall Street’s “innovative” securities could provide higher returns—not to mention more lucrative fees for the investment firms.

So an old-fashioned financial romance began: Supply (Wall Street’s hottest financial products) met Demand (school districts seeking to build up their OPEB trust funds). It looked like a perfect match.

In the Milwaukee area, Supply was represented by Stifel Nicolaus & Company, a venerable, 108-year-old financial firm, which promised to put “the welfare of clients and community first” as it pursued “excellence and a desire to exceed clients’ expectations . . .”

As a national firm based in St. Louis, Stifel Nicolaus was fortunate to be represented in Milwaukee by David W. Noack. According to the New York Times, “He had been advising Wisconsin school boards for two decades, helping them borrow for new gymnasiums and classrooms. His father had taught at an area high school for 47 years. All six of his children attended Milwaukee schools.” School boards repeatedly referred to him as their “financial advisor”—a label he never refuted.

In 2006, Mr. Noack, an avuncular, low-key salesman (he preferred to be called a banker), urged the Whitefish school board and others in Wisconsin to buy securities that offered higher returns than treasury notes but were just about as safe. He had recently attended a two-hour training session on these new financial products, so he was confident when he assured the officials that they were “safe double-A, triple-A-type investments.” None of the investments included subprime debt, he said. And the deal conformed to state statutes, so the district would be erring on the conservative side. In fact, Noack said, the risk was so low that there would have to be “15 Enrons” before the district would be affected. For the schools to lose their investment, “out of the top eight hundred companies in the world, one hundred would have to go under.”

As in many romances, one party seduces and the other is seduced. Noack certainly came across as a caring, considerate suitor. He started his sales drive by inviting area school administrators and board members to tea, “with food and beverage provided by Stifel Nicolaus,” making the gathering seem more like a PTA fund-raiser than a high-powered investment pitch. He merely wanted to introduce the local officials to these new “AA-AAA” investments, as the invitation pointed out.

In a series of video- and audiotapes recorded by the Kenosha school board—which later joined forces with Whitefish Bay and three other nearby school districts to invest with Noack—you could discern a pattern to his pitch. First he would stress the enormity of the financial problems the school districts faced in meeting their long-term retiree liabilities. For example, during a seventeen-minute spiel recorded on July 24, 2006, he reminded school board members that, based on Stifel’s actuarial computations, the district had an $80-million post-retiree liability. (In an “updated” Stifel study presented a year later, the estimate rose to $240 million.) In fact, Noack spent much more time describing the extent of the liability and how the district would have to account for it than he did explaining his proposed multimillion dollar investments and loans. Not to worry. He said that he had “spent the past four years” developing investment solutions for such liability problems.

Next Noack stressed that he was not about to take unacceptable risks with the schools’ money. His recommended investments were extremely conservative, his approach cautious. As he put it in the July meeting, “our program ... is using the trust to a certain degree [and] a small portion of the district’s contribution, investing the money, making the spread in double-A, triple-A investments and funding a little bit at a time over a long period of time ... and what we make is as risk-free as we can get. . . .”

He also nudged the school district along with a bit of peer-group pressure, describing how other Wisconsin districts were working with him on similar investments. There was power in numbers, he told them. By working together with other districts, they would “increase their purchasing power,” a phrase he repeated many times.

Noack made it seem as if the districts’ collective “purchasing power” had banks and investment houses lining up to compete for their business, offering them the lowest-cost loans and highest rates of return. He was soon going to be “bidding out” the districts’ packages and he was sure he was going to get them the best rates.

To take the edge off the enormity of the investment Noack was pushing, he ended his pitch by asking the school board to pass resolutions to “authorize but not obligate” its financial committee or officials to make the investment if and when the rates seemed favorable. He never asked the boards to make a final commitment then and there. Instead, he conveyed the sense that even after the vote, they weren’t committed to anything.

But the seduced are rarely passive. In this affair, several key board members helped the process along. On the Kenosha video­tapes, for example, one board member, Mark Hujik, a hulking, ex–Wall Street player who now owns a Wisconsin financial advisory service, repeatedly sealed the deals. The self-confident Hujik never asked a question he didn’t already know the answer to. He made sure everyone knew that he knew the ins and outs of finance. At a key meeting before Kenosha signed on to its first deal, he stressed that the tens of millions in loans the board would be taking out were “moral” but not “contractual” obligations on behalf of the town. He implied that if things went wrong, the town really wasn’t on the hook for $28.5 million in loans. (Unfortunately, he didn’t mention that the town could still be successfully sued and see its debt ratings plummet if it defaulted on its “moral” financial obligations. And when a town’s debt rating falls, it faces higher interest rates for all its other borrowing needs, assuming anyone will ever lend to it again.)

Together, Hujik and Noack wooed the parties with intimate bankerspeak that conveyed confidence and expertise. They whispered financial sweet nothings: LIBOR rates, basis points, spreads, mark to market, cost of issuance, static and managed investments, arbitrage, tranches, letters of credit, collateralization ratios, and standby-note purchase agreements. After a while the board members started using the same language. Words like “million” and “dollars” disappeared from their vocabulary; instead they referred familiarly to “twenty” and “thirty” (as in thirty million dollars). Perhaps the slang and technical lingo distracted the officials from the risky nature of their financial decisions. They whispered financial sweet nothings: LIBOR rates, basis points, spreads, mark to market, cost of issuance, static and managed investments, arbitrage, tranches, letters of credit, collateralization ratios, and standby-note purchase agreements. After a while the board members started using the same language. Words like “million” and “dollars” disappeared from their vocabulary; instead they referred familiarly to “twenty” and “thirty” (as in thirty million dollars).

Like any romance, at first everything seemed simple. There was so much trust. As one Kenosha board member said to more experienced members before a key authorization vote: “I’m not a financial person. So if you say it should be done, I will follow your lead.”

Listening to seven taped meetings, it’s hard not to notice the school officials’ consistent deference to Noack and their inability to ask him basic or troubling questions. No one wanted to seem dumb, though nearly all decidedly were not “financial persons.” The district officials never asked questions such as: “How will the rate of return compare to government-guaranteed securities?” Or, “If Wall Street goes into a slump, how much could we lose?” Unless you’re Woody Allen, you don’t talk about the prospect of breaking up at the beginning of a romance. When the votes were taken, no one dissented. Demand and Supply consummated their relationship.

To the Wisconsin school districts, the deal seemed safe. They would pool their money to increase their “purchasing power.” They would borrow more money (“leverage,” as the big boys call it) and invest it in something called a “synthetic CDO” for seven years. In a handout he gave to the boards on July 24, 2006, Noack illustrated how their trust fund for retirees’ benefits could accumulate almost $9 million in seven years by borrowing and investing $80 million. These CDOs would pay them over 1 percent more than what it would cost to borrow the money. The more the schools borrowed, the more they would make. It was practically free money. What was not to like?

The complexity of the deal alone should have given the investors pause. Their newly purchased “Floating Rate Credit Linked Secured Notes” were a lot more complicated than federally insured CDs or treasury notes. In fact they were more convoluted than anything any of them had ever bought or sold, individually or collectively. But Noack had done his job well by making the purchases seem straightforward and prudent.

According to court documents, by the time Noack was through, the five school districts had put up $37.3 million of their own funds (most of it raised through their towns’ general-obligation bonds) and borrowed $165 million more from Depfa, an aggressive Irish bank owned by a much larger German bank. The net investment after fees was $200 million. With that money, the school officials bought three different bondlike CDO financial instruments from the Royal Bank of Canada—Tribune Series 30, Sentinel Series 1, and Sentinel Series 2. With a little Wall Street magic, a big payoff seemed like a sure thing.

But what if Wall Street took a tumble and the value of the school boards’ investments fell below the value of their loans? The school officials didn’t even ask the question, but Noack already had the answer: “If we stick to all investment-grade companies, you still got to have ten percent . . . go under. You’re talking, I would assume, and I’m not an economist, but that’s a depression.”

The districts seemed oblivious to risk, even after securing disappointing returns on their first investments. There was a huge gap between the rates Noack had expected to lock in and what they finally got. The entire point of investing in CDOs was to get a rate of return that was substantially higher than what it would cost to borrow the money. The difference is called “the spread.” Every quarter of a year you were supposed to collect what you’d earned through the spread and reinvest it. Noack had predicted that the CDOs would yield the school districts about 1.5 percent above what it would cost to borrow the money. In the first purchase, Tribune Series 30 for $25 million, the spread was 1.02 percent. However, on the next CDO purchase, Sentinel 1 for $60 million, the spread was only 0.67 percent. In their final deal, Sentinel 2 for $115 million, the spread was 0.82 percent. The idea was that after the seven years the districts could redeem their CDOs, like bonds, and have enough money to pay off the Depfa loan as well as the general-obligation bonds taken out by the town. Of course, this assumed that the CDOs would be safe and sound for seven years.

Unfortunately the CDOs were not the secure investment Noack had thought they would be. According to the New York Times’ analysis:

If just 6 percent of the bonds ... went bad, the Wisconsin educators could lose all their money. If none of the bonds defaulted, the schools would receive about $1.8 million a year after paying off their own debt. By comparison, the CDO’s offered only a modestly better return than a $35 million investment in ultra-safe Treasury bonds, which would have paid about $1.5 million a year, with virtually no risk.

But this comparison missed the true alchemy of the deal, and its great attraction to the local school officials. Buying a safe treasury bond would have required the schools to put up $35 million from their general-obligation borrowing—money they would have to pay back and on which they would have to pay interest to the bondholders. In fact, if the districts had made such an investment, they would have had to pay more in interest than the treasury bonds would have yielded. That investment would make little sense.

The CDO deal was complex but it seemed to have enormous advantages: Not only would it supposedly produce $1.8 million a year in revenues, it would also pay for all the interest on the general-obligation bonds, as well as the debt itself, at the end of the seven years. That is, returns from the CDOs would cover the $165 million in loans from Depfa and the $35 million of collateral the schools put up through the general-obligation bonds. All in all, the deal was supposed to generate $1.8 million a year, free and clear. Now that’s fantasy finance.

Hujik certainly had bought into the dream. “Everyone knew New York guys were making tons of money on these kinds of deals,” he said. “It wasn’t implausible that we could make money, too.”

The Wisconsin officials didn’t see that their quest for this pot of gold had created two insidious problems. First, town elders were now ensnarled in a series of complicated financial transactions that yielded considerable fees for bankers and brokers. The districts paid fees to issue their general-obligation bonds; they paid fees to service those payments; they paid fees to borrow the funds to buy their CDOs; they paid fees to buy their CDOs, and they paid fees to collect the loan payments and to distribute the CDO payments. Someone would be getting rich off all this, but it wasn’t the five Wisconsin school districts.

Second, when little fish try to swim with big fish, they better be prepared for risk—lots of it. No one on either side of the deal, at least on the local level, had read the fine print. They couldn’t have, since the detailed documents—the “drawdown prospectuses”—were delivered weeks after the securities were purchased. They wouldn’t have understood them anyway. In this romance between Supply and Demand, everyone was in over their heads. The “experts” in the room (on both sides) sounded cautious, confident, and knowledgeable. But in truth, Noack had no idea what he really was selling, and school district officials like Hujik and Yde had no idea what they really were buying. It is likely that both parties truly believed they were handling the equivalent of a mutual fund made up of highly rated corporate bonds. They weren’t.

It’s hard to blame the Wisconsinites for not understanding the transaction: They were dealing with one of the most complex derivatives ever designed—a synthetic collateralized debt obligation, which is a combination of two other derivatives: a collateralized debt obligation (CDO) and a credit default swap (CDS). This is the kind of security that Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke called “exotic and opaque.” Investment guru Warren Buffet called it a “financial weapon of mass destruction.” In other words, one of the most dazzling—and dangerous—illusions in all of fantasy finance.

As we’ll see, these investments were truly mysterious in their design and in their execution. One of the most “exotic” features was that these securities didn’t give the buyer ownership of anything tangible at all. The buyer received no stake in a corporation, as they would have with a stock or bond. Instead, the school districts, without realizing it, had become part of the trillion-dollar financial insurance industry. (It was not called insurance, however, since insurance is, by law, heavily regulated.) In fact, they had put up their millions, and had borrowed millions more, to insure $20 billion worth of debt held (or bet upon) by the Royal Bank of Canada. And that debt included some very nasty stuff: home equity loans, leases, residential mortgage loans, commercial mortgage loans, auto finance receivables, credit card receivables, and other debt obligations. Technically, Mr. Noack may have been correct when he said that the schools didn’t own any subprime debt. They didn’t own anything. Instead, they had agreed to insure junk debt. The revenue they hoped to receive each quarter was like receiving insurance premiums from the Royal Bank of Canada, which was covering its bets on the junk debt.

What’s more, although the synthetic CDOs had been rated AA, as Noack had touted, those ratings were bogus. The CDOs were drawn from a vast pool of junk debt that had been chopped up into slices based on risk. The top slices had the least risk and the bottom slices had the most risk. Unbeknownst to both Noack and the school districts, the districts’ $200 million of borrowed money was used to insure a slice near the bottom of the barrel! They would be on the hook for paying out claims if the default rate hit about 6 percent, a number it is fast approaching. Neither savvy Dave Noack, nor confident Mark Hujik, nor concerned Shawn Yde appeared to have any understanding of this frightening reality.

But the big fish—the CDO creators and peddlers at the top levels—knew what they were doing. The Canadian bank received $11.2 million in up-front fees. (That’s right, the bank was, in effect, buying insurance, yet the school districts were paying the bank up-front fees for the honor of insuring the bank’s junk debt.) The investment sales company took $1.2 million in commissions. We don’t know precisely how much Depfa got for the loans, but it was substantial.

Whitefish Bay and the other school districts got something substantial too: nearly all of the risk. The school districts are about to lose all of their initial $37.3 million. They will also lose another $165 million of the money they’d borrowed from Depfa. As soon as the default rate is reached, $200 million will go to pay insurance claims to the Royal Bank of Canada. And the schools still will owe the full $165-million Depfa loan, and they will still owe on the bonds they had issued to raise much of their $37.3 million in collateral. The risk of reaching total default currently is so high that Kenosha’s entire piece of the CDO investment ($35.6 million) was valued at only $925,000, as of January 29, 2009—a decline in value of $36,575,000. Now the school districts are paying hefty fees not just to bankers but also to lawyers, as they sue to unwind the deal and recover damages.

“This is something I’ll regret until the day I die,” said Shawn Yde of the Whitefish Bay schools.

He’s not alone. As National Public Radio and the New York Times reported in a joint article, “Wisconsin schools were not the only ones to jump into such complicated financial products. More than $1.2 trillion of CDOs have been sold to buyers of all kinds since 2005—including many cities and government agencies. . . .”

Did these public agencies deserve any protections? A prudent rule might be to forbid investment houses to peddle such risky securities within a thousand yards of a school district. But there are no rules, since these “exotic and opaque” financial securities are still entirely unregulated. (When the Kenosha Teachers Association discovered that the securities peddled to the school districts were identical to those that sunk AIG, it requested that the Federal Reserve remove them from the school districts just as they have done for AIG—an eminently fair and reasonable request in my opinion. See chapter 8 for more on AIG.)

Whitefish Bay, Kenosha, and the other three districts made missteps and miscalculations. They were naive. As Mark Hujik candidly said, they saw a pot of gold on Wall Street and wanted their piece. But they were had. We all were. We know that something has gone terribly wrong not just in Whitefish Bay but with our entire economy. There’s a connection between the junk that was peddled to the “Wisconsin Five” and the crash of the global financial system. In fact, if we can understand exactly what David Noack sold to Whitefish Bay and why, we will also understand how the economy collapsed, and what needs to change to prevent this from happening again.

Our trail will lead to an examination of financial booms and busts, including the Great Depression. And those of us with strong stomachs will also learn more than we ever wanted to know about CDOs, CDOs-squared, synthetic CDOs, and credit default swaps—those exotic instruments that swamped Whitefish Bay.

Along the way, we will see how bankers, traders, and salespeople pocketed hundreds of millions of dollars by selling risk all over the world as if it were a collection of predictable Swiss watches. And we’ll puzzle over why Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, and Ben Bernanke fought so hard to keep these dangerous financial instruments unregulated.

We’ll tackle the “logic” of free marketeers who claim that the meltdown is the fault of low-income homebuyers who got in over their heads. We’ll also marvel at how, in response to the financial meltdown, former treasury secretary Paulson and friends blew open the U.S. Treasury vault so that Wall Street could walk off with a trillion dollars . . . and counting.

And once we’ve put all the puzzle pieces together, we’ll use our new understanding to formulate reforms that might protect us from the fantasy-finance fiasco that is harming not just Wisconsin and the rest of America, but the whole world.

 

Les Leopold is the executive director of the Labor Institute and Public Health Institute in New York, and author of The Looting of America (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2009).
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Only in America
Posted by: DrBrian on Jun 3, 2009 12:13 AM   
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A poor young man from an ethnic minority snatches someone's purse and gets 5 years in the slammer. An ivy league educated, white Wall Street bankster rips off billions and gets billions more in bailout money, given to him by a once poor young man from an ethnic minority. Only in America.

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Lloyd's of London got away with it first when they recruited 34,000 women and foreigners as "Names"
Posted by: Suzon on Jun 3, 2009 2:28 AM   
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and then pushed into their syndicates all the bad debt they knew was on its way from asbestosis claims. Like this school board, the investors were led to believe that nothing could go wrong.

It's called lying, cheating and stealing and the English courts let Lloyd's get away with bankrupting the people they misled because "Lloyd's makes money for the country".

Although the evidence of fraud is abundantly clear (see TimeEurope's special edition in February 2000), no criminal prosecution can take place as the Fraud Act 2006 now protects fraudsters because it requires proof of intent to defraud. All crooks are presumed to be innocent even if fraud has undoubtedly taken place.

Plea-bargaining is NOT going to be introduced. Hardly a surprise given that people on this side of the Atlantic still don't have any of the rights in the first ten amendments to the US Constitution.

Unfortunately, only one investor has been able to bring Lloyd's to its knees but the settlement (Lloyd's paid out millions) means that nothing can be revealed.

Swine flu is less worrying than the combination of lawyers and bankers.

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It Is Everywhere
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 3, 2009 2:50 AM   
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From banking and insurance and nearly everywhere else, fraud and illusion have trapped the American citizens because they are told, over and over again, that greed is good. As the late Junior Wells would say: "everybody's gettin' some, why not me?"

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The Rape of America
Posted by: marid on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 AM   
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As the powers that be keep us occupied on imagined and trumped up dangers abroad, they quietly have bought our Democracy and are busily gutting our country.

The Politicians and Criminals go hand in hand and the American people are being robbed. This story is just another of the daily onslaught of the evils of the money lenders. Close Wall Street down, it serves no real purpose. Regulate the hell out of all financial plans and instruments, these rich bastards cannot be trusted, just open your eyes. Most regulations are a response to a real danger or a criminal action, not me and my buddies trying to stick it to business and finance.

Last and most important all these people need to be investigated for criminal actions, if such an action is proved their entire accumulation of wealth should be confiscated as restitution. The Corpse, Merchants of Death, and the Money Lords have been tearing our country apart for years. Their supporters prove all too often to be misguided dolts who don't even understand the points in question. Eisenhower warned us. Close Wall Street, teh concentration of wealth in a smaller and smaller portion of our society is producing the royalty and aristocratic controlled govt. that Americans are supposed to abhore.

Campaign finance reform and term limits must come now to oust the politicians who prostitute themselves to the Powers of Greed to procure enough money to stay in office. Your, my and our countries real needs seldom, if ever, come into play. But I am stumped, How do we get rid of the Vermin already in office, do you think they will vote themselves out of office? Whoa to America.

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For some greed is a selfish choice
Posted by: weathered on Jun 3, 2009 4:04 AM   
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for others its in their DNA.

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Domestic terorrism
Posted by: joebanana on Jun 3, 2009 5:01 AM   
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If people can get locked up for smoking a harmless plant, these guys need to be beheaded, publicly.

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Hit 'em where it hurts.
Posted by: DrBrian on Jun 3, 2009 5:36 AM   
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JoeBanana's comment makes me think. It would be better to confiscate their ill-gotten gains and use them for programs that benefit the masses, especially the poor. To the banksters, that would be a more severe punishment than decapitation, and to me, a more just one.

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The real problem here is Fed policy
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jun 3, 2009 5:59 AM   
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Economic illiterates never consider who's ox gets gored with a zero interest rate policy. the Fed drops interest rates below the rate of inflation to prop up the dead beats. It never occurs to them that investors have to get returns that compensate for RISK.

Pension funds and others are now forced into extremely risky investments for pathetic returns, and now they lose their shirts. Well DUH! What did you expect?

If we have to have a central bank, let them manage the banks, and not the economy. Their meddling only produces disaster.

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rgd
Posted by: rgd on Jun 3, 2009 6:25 AM   
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Remember the dot-com crash? Before it all came down, the New Rich spent money like there was no tomorrow. They made millions on paper with nothing tangible. (except ink) That should of taught them something about how money works. It didn't and now more people are learning the lesson about money the really hard way.

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the school board did this to themselves and others
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Jun 3, 2009 6:50 AM   
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My friend lives in Whitefish Bay. She's a senior citizen struggling to pay bills and now she is waiting for the notices that her school and property taxes are going up to pay for this boondoggle. Like many other oldsters throughout this country, and I also am one of them, we cannot continue to pay ever-increasing school and property taxes while our incomes stay the same. Since most states are in trouble--this really is a depression, not a recession--we are footing the bills left behind by thieves. Why aren't these people in jail?

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As far as I'm concrned
Posted by: east bay on Jun 3, 2009 7:21 AM   
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The school board was a bunch of retards. Not one dissenter. Like city councils, they don't really give a shit because it's not their money. There are tons of examples of these school boards and city councils throwing our money out the window. Did they take their personal savings and invest it in this shyster's scheme. No.

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Mafia...........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 3, 2009 7:24 AM   
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I'm sure that Don Corleone would be able to take a few notes from these people! Only in America where the corporate oligarchy has so firmly entrenched themselves among the politicians can these people get away, and be free to steal more!

As these people have so many Americans diverted by fluff and infotainment the few that have been minding the store have not just been ridiculed but called unpatriotic!

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The Golden Rule
Posted by: thisizrob on Jun 3, 2009 7:55 AM   
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He who has the gold makes the rules. A definite perversion of the original. What has been done IS the way of the enemy. satan offered Eve something that she already had but he made it look like she did not already have it. In reading through this sad saga above, THAT is exactly what was going on. satan's comment about God with holding from them that which was their "right" to have was nothing more than lies upon lies. this is the same thing that these sharks have done for those poor school executives.
Greed will always bring sorrow to those who practice it. The Bible stated in Proverbs that, "He that is greedy for gain, troubleth his whole household", well, a truer word was never spoken and this whole sad mess proves the point. Been there, done that and lost my money and reputation. It is a sad way to learn, but as my seventh grade teacher taught us over 50 years ago, "A fool and his money will soon be parted" and " He who filches from me my good name, robs me of that, which not enriches him, but leaves me poor indeed."

I was fooled by the GMT (Get Moving today) fiasco back in the year when the second space shuttle came to grief. I and a number of others who were also fooled lost our money. I guess, he who learns not from the folly of others is sure to make the same mistakes. No, I haven't had the money to do it again, I was wiped out and can sympathize with those school people. It is a very hard lesson that takes years to rebuild. I wish them well.

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America
Posted by: AdamDunny on Jun 3, 2009 7:57 AM   
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Yup, thats how it goes. The rich get richer and the poor, they just get stepped on!

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Made to Talk
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 3, 2009 8:08 AM   
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In my opinion the aforementioned Rubin ,Greenspan and Bernanke should be forced to explain why they fought the efforts of Brooksy Born to Regulate Derivatives .
And while we are at it we should include Paulson ,Gethner and the CEO's of Goldman Sachs and the the bond rating agencies .
If we have to use harsh interrogation techniques on them SO BE IT .
I believe that we had an Investigation after the 29 crash that was headed by a former NY
DA whose name I believe was Pecora . We need that RIGHT NOW but perhaps more importantly we must re regulate the Financial Services Industry because as of now they could very well be doing the same thing with our bailout money

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There's a Connection.....
Posted by: riondluz on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 AM   
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"There's a connection between the global junk that was peddled to the "Wisconsin Five" and the crash of financial system."

From a previous thread/poster:
by richg74 (650636) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @11:14AM (#28158393) Homepage
The problem is that the quant's model is in its self an input to the reality

"There's plenty of blame to go around. The managements, who should have known better, were bedazzled by the dollar signs floating out of their economic perpetual-motion machine. The quants knew the math, and their hubris led them to think that nothing else was needed. And the investors, while proving the truth of P.T. Barnum's Law of Applied Economics, forgot that there ain't no free lunch."

And:
by RichMan (8097) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @09:21AM (#28157693)
The problem with economics is that is probably more a sociological study than a idealized science.
"Economics talks of supply and demand and perfect markets. Yet we all know the advertising and social herd behavior affect purchases much more than any real needs or demands."

Also, From another website:
| The Psychology of Collection and Hoarding In Games |
| from the who-has-the-most-nerdoints dept. |
| posted by Soulskill on Sunday May 31, @13:17 (Games) |
| http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/31/1633236 |
"... how the compulsion to hoard
and accumulate objects, as well as the desire to accomplish entirely
abstract goals, has become part of the modern gaming mindset. "The Obsessive Compulsive Foundation explains that in compulsive hoarders:
'Acquiring is often associated with positive emotions, such as pleasure and excitement, motivating individuals who experience these emotions while acquiring to keep acquiring, despite negative consequences.'"

So, maybe the MOTU are primarily gamblers who treat their lives like a game. And the connecting threads from Wall Street to the heart/hinter land may be reflected in new studies (see the science channel) related to networks of both the social and techno varieties.

What i've gleaned from everyone's inputs is that it (greed|self-interest, general behavior) can be overlaid upon these studies mapping social networks and grids and the assertion that physical space is relative to its members.

It goes on to describe how people live in either small or large worlds based on their ability to get/move information. Small-world individuals are more travelled, better educated, wealthier; or have access to those who are.

They live in a small-world because they can easily 'reach out and touch someone 1/2 a world away.
Large-world inhabitants can barely get a letter to the next town over, have fewer resources at their disposal and are more limited in their reach.

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They could have given everyone $40,000
Posted by: luther6 on Jun 3, 2009 9:00 AM   
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That's right. With the so-called bailout giveaway, they could have given every man, woman and child in the United States $40,000. THAT would have been a stimulus package. This is business as usual where (almost) every man, woman and child in the United States gets screwed.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Jun 3, 2009 10:28 AM   
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I feel bad for this district who collectively tried to do the right thing and their government was no where to be found to protect them. There are some who think that governments only function is to protect America if it were to come under attack but their are others who believe in addition that thieves and crooks should also be a top priority. But instead the criminals are given all means of escape from responsibility and our citizens are condemned to the results of others actions to mislead, defraud, lie or steal.
Does it never occur to the districts out there they should never put a penney of their communities money into something that is not guaranteed or at least as close as one could come to it. Government bonds and notes are the safest investment tool for them and for us unless you consider bank CD's where if the bank goes under you will still be paid. If the government goes under and cannot pay out on the bonds and notes it will not really matter at that point anymore and bigger concerns will be imminent.
Do not put a dime of your collective money or a nickle of your personal money into anything other then government backed securities unless you like to feed the habits of those low life criminals which make up Wall Street. And if you decide at some point in the future to again put any of your hard earned money into this den of thieves I just hope that you remember the next time you lose your money to them that someone said,"I told you so". Chump.

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Well, at least...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM   
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...we managed to keep their grubby little hands off of our Social Security money. Think about how much more of a mess we would be in if Moveon.org had not started the hue and cry over the attempts to privitize it.

We'd better hold firm while the Obama Adm. tries to do the same thing. Just wait. They will.

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Schweinhunt
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM   
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Swine!

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Par for the course
Posted by: ElRoi on Jun 3, 2009 10:56 AM   
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I find it sad, yet funny that people are still surprised to see what depths people will sink to when greed is involved. Ultimately, greed will be humankind's undoing.

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What is the New Administration Doing to Re-Regulate...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 3, 2009 11:09 AM   
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Wall Street, besides giving them trillions of our money? They keep talking about it, but nothing happens.

Which seems to be their M.O., unless it serves their corporate sponsors.

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We're Toast
Posted by: robertsgt40 on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM   
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For those that don't understand the connection between Greenspan, Rubin Summers, Reich, Paulson and Geithner you will be forever lost in the fog. There is a common thread that binds them way past any concern for the wellbeing of the United States. Until the Fed is dimembered and an honest monetary system put in place, we will be enslaved to the moneychangers forever. History does repeat.

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We need something different
Posted by: willymack on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM   
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Immediately, if not sooner. By now, anyone who hasn't concluded that Wall Street isn't thoroughly crooked, amoral, and heartless, has probably just emerged from a Rip Van Winkle type nap. Our Pillars of the Community aren't any different than cutpurses or sneak thieves, except for the scale of their theft, yet we continue to enshrine and worship them. The THINKING, or lack thereof is at the root of our problems. Our entire body politic has been infected with the virus of pathological greed, what with corporate ripoffs and the outrageous buying off of people elected to protect us from these criminals. The system is rotten to the core and cannot endure much longer in its present form. Capitalism, at least as it exists here is pure poison to everyone but the elite few. I watched "Mr Smith goes to Washington" with a young Jimmy Stewart, and directed by Frank Capra, last night. The film was made in 1939, and was about the very same problems we're experiencing right now. In the movie, the hero prevailed through the sheer force of his moral strength. The story is supposed to be uplifting. It brought a lump to my throat, but for the wrong reason. I wish I didn't feel so goddam sad, knowing there'll probably NEVER be a miracle like that here, EVER.

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The Music Man came to town, teamed up with the Pied
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM   
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Piper of Hamlin, passed out rose colored glasses and led everyone down the primrose path. History repeats itself over and over. I'll bet that 99% of bankers, stockbrokers, insurance sales persons and lawyers are republicans. Republicans have no empathy and someone with no empathy is boarder line if not out right sociopathic. Physically violent sociopaths usually windup in maximum security prisons while economically violent sociopaths wind up on Fox News as experts.

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Reforms are long overdue
Posted by: reg373 on Jun 3, 2009 2:07 PM   
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And the mega-banks have to be stabilized, they are too interconnected in the financial system we are all dependent on. After they are well, they should be broken up into smaller pieces so this cannot happen again - -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

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Look at the bigger picture
Posted by: phindrup on Jun 3, 2009 6:14 PM   
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This is an example of how ‘the powers that be’ high on their sense of entitlement treat fellow Americans. Perhaps you will now understand why and how the US is universally hated throughout the world.

When others have what Americans think they have a greater entitlement too, how do you imagine those countries, those people, are treated?

You support Israel, which exhibits this trait writ large, you label those who oppose your collective greed as ‘terrorists’ and have historically supported despots who are willing to see their countries gutted by the US, just so as they get a cut.

Take a long look at the world and see the disastrous results of US 'leadership' across the globe and perhaps you will understand why there are so many of us who cannot wait to see the demise of the US.

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the bold and beautiful
Posted by: remo on Jun 3, 2009 10:47 PM   
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Has anyone read 'the conspirators' by Al Martin??
ISBN 0-9710042-0-X

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so what else's new
Posted by: sicntired on Jun 3, 2009 11:08 PM   
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First it was GWB and his bailout with NO consessions.Next,Obama leaves geitner in charge and guess what?He protects his buddies and his ass and the American people are left hoping for some mortgage relief that never appears.The American taxpayer has been mortgaged for the next three generations for sure and that's if everything goes right.Lest I point out that the GM bailout led to bankruptcy exactly where everyone knew it was going.$1M dollars for each job saved?If that makes sense in any reality you know of please pass on the information to the rest of us.The elite(yes Obama,that means you)will always do whatever they think they can get away with to protect their way of life.Which is looking down on the rest of us with such phoney empathy.Something they know of only from a dictionary.When are people going to wake up to the fac t that no one will look out for you but you?When your ass starts to burn,that's the feds sticking it to you once again.

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Deluded hypocritical fool am I
Posted by: zigy on Jun 4, 2009 1:01 PM   
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Bill Maer(sp?) suggested the surest (or only) way to stop these Wall St. jackels would be to quickly try and then publicly execute one or two (someone,but heaven forfend, not I might suggest Paulson,Greenspan, Phil Graham, Larry Summers, and Bob Rubin). OK, so I can't count, so what? The charge: Grand theft America,Treason, by way of RICO.

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be patient
Posted by: grkjr on Jun 4, 2009 8:00 PM   
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just wait and see.... the whole of congress will be voted back into their seats in the coming elections and what you cry so hard for will pass and the next step in this newly created democracy, that has grown out of the mighty middle class of yesteryear, will simply cry for their piece of the action.. thus very few regulations, more bailout.. but not to worry we have "change" in the air.. just listen to those who we elect. What we it take, how far must we fall. before we take responsibility for voting the way we vote...

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Only in America
Posted by: DrBrian on Jun 3, 2009 12:13 AM   
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A poor young man from an ethnic minority snatches someone's purse and gets 5 years in the slammer. An ivy league educated, white Wall Street bankster rips off billions and gets billions more in bailout money, given to him by a once poor young man from an ethnic minority. Only in America.

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Lloyd's of London got away with it first when they recruited 34,000 women and foreigners as "Names"
Posted by: Suzon on Jun 3, 2009 2:28 AM   
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and then pushed into their syndicates all the bad debt they knew was on its way from asbestosis claims. Like this school board, the investors were led to believe that nothing could go wrong.

It's called lying, cheating and stealing and the English courts let Lloyd's get away with bankrupting the people they misled because "Lloyd's makes money for the country".

Although the evidence of fraud is abundantly clear (see TimeEurope's special edition in February 2000), no criminal prosecution can take place as the Fraud Act 2006 now protects fraudsters because it requires proof of intent to defraud. All crooks are presumed to be innocent even if fraud has undoubtedly taken place.

Plea-bargaining is NOT going to be introduced. Hardly a surprise given that people on this side of the Atlantic still don't have any of the rights in the first ten amendments to the US Constitution.

Unfortunately, only one investor has been able to bring Lloyd's to its knees but the settlement (Lloyd's paid out millions) means that nothing can be revealed.

Swine flu is less worrying than the combination of lawyers and bankers.

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It Is Everywhere
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Jun 3, 2009 2:50 AM   
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From banking and insurance and nearly everywhere else, fraud and illusion have trapped the American citizens because they are told, over and over again, that greed is good. As the late Junior Wells would say: "everybody's gettin' some, why not me?"

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The Rape of America
Posted by: marid on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 AM   
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As the powers that be keep us occupied on imagined and trumped up dangers abroad, they quietly have bought our Democracy and are busily gutting our country.

The Politicians and Criminals go hand in hand and the American people are being robbed. This story is just another of the daily onslaught of the evils of the money lenders. Close Wall Street down, it serves no real purpose. Regulate the hell out of all financial plans and instruments, these rich bastards cannot be trusted, just open your eyes. Most regulations are a response to a real danger or a criminal action, not me and my buddies trying to stick it to business and finance.

Last and most important all these people need to be investigated for criminal actions, if such an action is proved their entire accumulation of wealth should be confiscated as restitution. The Corpse, Merchants of Death, and the Money Lords have been tearing our country apart for years. Their supporters prove all too often to be misguided dolts who don't even understand the points in question. Eisenhower warned us. Close Wall Street, teh concentration of wealth in a smaller and smaller portion of our society is producing the royalty and aristocratic controlled govt. that Americans are supposed to abhore.

Campaign finance reform and term limits must come now to oust the politicians who prostitute themselves to the Powers of Greed to procure enough money to stay in office. Your, my and our countries real needs seldom, if ever, come into play. But I am stumped, How do we get rid of the Vermin already in office, do you think they will vote themselves out of office? Whoa to America.

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For some greed is a selfish choice
Posted by: weathered on Jun 3, 2009 4:04 AM   
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for others its in their DNA.

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Domestic terorrism
Posted by: joebanana on Jun 3, 2009 5:01 AM   
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If people can get locked up for smoking a harmless plant, these guys need to be beheaded, publicly.

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Hit 'em where it hurts.
Posted by: DrBrian on Jun 3, 2009 5:36 AM   
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JoeBanana's comment makes me think. It would be better to confiscate their ill-gotten gains and use them for programs that benefit the masses, especially the poor. To the banksters, that would be a more severe punishment than decapitation, and to me, a more just one.

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The real problem here is Fed policy
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jun 3, 2009 5:59 AM   
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Economic illiterates never consider who's ox gets gored with a zero interest rate policy. the Fed drops interest rates below the rate of inflation to prop up the dead beats. It never occurs to them that investors have to get returns that compensate for RISK.

Pension funds and others are now forced into extremely risky investments for pathetic returns, and now they lose their shirts. Well DUH! What did you expect?

If we have to have a central bank, let them manage the banks, and not the economy. Their meddling only produces disaster.

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Posted by: rgd on Jun 3, 2009 6:25 AM   
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Remember the dot-com crash? Before it all came down, the New Rich spent money like there was no tomorrow. They made millions on paper with nothing tangible. (except ink) That should of taught them something about how money works. It didn't and now more people are learning the lesson about money the really hard way.

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the school board did this to themselves and others
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Jun 3, 2009 6:50 AM   
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My friend lives in Whitefish Bay. She's a senior citizen struggling to pay bills and now she is waiting for the notices that her school and property taxes are going up to pay for this boondoggle. Like many other oldsters throughout this country, and I also am one of them, we cannot continue to pay ever-increasing school and property taxes while our incomes stay the same. Since most states are in trouble--this really is a depression, not a recession--we are footing the bills left behind by thieves. Why aren't these people in jail?

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As far as I'm concrned
Posted by: east bay on Jun 3, 2009 7:21 AM   
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The school board was a bunch of retards. Not one dissenter. Like city councils, they don't really give a shit because it's not their money. There are tons of examples of these school boards and city councils throwing our money out the window. Did they take their personal savings and invest it in this shyster's scheme. No.

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Mafia...........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 3, 2009 7:24 AM   
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I'm sure that Don Corleone would be able to take a few notes from these people! Only in America where the corporate oligarchy has so firmly entrenched themselves among the politicians can these people get away, and be free to steal more!

As these people have so many Americans diverted by fluff and infotainment the few that have been minding the store have not just been ridiculed but called unpatriotic!

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The Golden Rule
Posted by: thisizrob on Jun 3, 2009 7:55 AM   
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He who has the gold makes the rules. A definite perversion of the original. What has been done IS the way of the enemy. satan offered Eve something that she already had but he made it look like she did not already have it. In reading through this sad saga above, THAT is exactly what was going on. satan's comment about God with holding from them that which was their "right" to have was nothing more than lies upon lies. this is the same thing that these sharks have done for those poor school executives.
Greed will always bring sorrow to those who practice it. The Bible stated in Proverbs that, "He that is greedy for gain, troubleth his whole household", well, a truer word was never spoken and this whole sad mess proves the point. Been there, done that and lost my money and reputation. It is a sad way to learn, but as my seventh grade teacher taught us over 50 years ago, "A fool and his money will soon be parted" and " He who filches from me my good name, robs me of that, which not enriches him, but leaves me poor indeed."

I was fooled by the GMT (Get Moving today) fiasco back in the year when the second space shuttle came to grief. I and a number of others who were also fooled lost our money. I guess, he who learns not from the folly of others is sure to make the same mistakes. No, I haven't had the money to do it again, I was wiped out and can sympathize with those school people. It is a very hard lesson that takes years to rebuild. I wish them well.

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America
Posted by: AdamDunny on Jun 3, 2009 7:57 AM   
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Yup, thats how it goes. The rich get richer and the poor, they just get stepped on!

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Made to Talk
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 3, 2009 8:08 AM   
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In my opinion the aforementioned Rubin ,Greenspan and Bernanke should be forced to explain why they fought the efforts of Brooksy Born to Regulate Derivatives .
And while we are at it we should include Paulson ,Gethner and the CEO's of Goldman Sachs and the the bond rating agencies .
If we have to use harsh interrogation techniques on them SO BE IT .
I believe that we had an Investigation after the 29 crash that was headed by a former NY
DA whose name I believe was Pecora . We need that RIGHT NOW but perhaps more importantly we must re regulate the Financial Services Industry because as of now they could very well be doing the same thing with our bailout money

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There's a Connection.....
Posted by: riondluz on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 AM   
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"There's a connection between the global junk that was peddled to the "Wisconsin Five" and the crash of financial system."

From a previous thread/poster:
by richg74 (650636) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @11:14AM (#28158393) Homepage
The problem is that the quant's model is in its self an input to the reality

"There's plenty of blame to go around. The managements, who should have known better, were bedazzled by the dollar signs floating out of their economic perpetual-motion machine. The quants knew the math, and their hubris led them to think that nothing else was needed. And the investors, while proving the truth of P.T. Barnum's Law of Applied Economics, forgot that there ain't no free lunch."

And:
by RichMan (8097) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @09:21AM (#28157693)
The problem with economics is that is probably more a sociological study than a idealized science.
"Economics talks of supply and demand and perfect markets. Yet we all know the advertising and social herd behavior affect purchases much more than any real needs or demands."

Also, From another website:
| The Psychology of Collection and Hoarding In Games |
| from the who-has-the-most-nerdoints dept. |
| posted by Soulskill on Sunday May 31, @13:17 (Games) |
| http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/31/1633236 |
"... how the compulsion to hoard
and accumulate objects, as well as the desire to accomplish entirely
abstract goals, has become part of the modern gaming mindset. "The Obsessive Compulsive Foundation explains that in compulsive hoarders:
'Acquiring is often associated with positive emotions, such as pleasure and excitement, motivating individuals who experience these emotions while acquiring to keep acquiring, despite negative consequences.'"

So, maybe the MOTU are primarily gamblers who treat their lives like a game. And the connecting threads from Wall Street to the heart/hinter land may be reflected in new studies (see the science channel) related to networks of both the social and techno varieties.

What i've gleaned from everyone's inputs is that it (greed|self-interest, general behavior) can be overlaid upon these studies mapping social networks and grids and the assertion that physical space is relative to its members.

It goes on to describe how people live in either small or large worlds based on their ability to get/move information. Small-world individuals are more travelled, better educated, wealthier; or have access to those who are.

They live in a small-world because they can easily 'reach out and touch someone 1/2 a world away.
Large-world inhabitants can barely get a letter to the next town over, have fewer resources at their disposal and are more limited in their reach.

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They could have given everyone $40,000
Posted by: luther6 on Jun 3, 2009 9:00 AM   
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That's right. With the so-called bailout giveaway, they could have given every man, woman and child in the United States $40,000. THAT would have been a stimulus package. This is business as usual where (almost) every man, woman and child in the United States gets screwed.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Jun 3, 2009 10:28 AM   
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I feel bad for this district who collectively tried to do the right thing and their government was no where to be found to protect them. There are some who think that governments only function is to protect America if it were to come under attack but their are others who believe in addition that thieves and crooks should also be a top priority. But instead the criminals are given all means of escape from responsibility and our citizens are condemned to the results of others actions to mislead, defraud, lie or steal.
Does it never occur to the districts out there they should never put a penney of their communities money into something that is not guaranteed or at least as close as one could come to it. Government bonds and notes are the safest investment tool for them and for us unless you consider bank CD's where if the bank goes under you will still be paid. If the government goes under and cannot pay out on the bonds and notes it will not really matter at that point anymore and bigger concerns will be imminent.
Do not put a dime of your collective money or a nickle of your personal money into anything other then government backed securities unless you like to feed the habits of those low life criminals which make up Wall Street. And if you decide at some point in the future to again put any of your hard earned money into this den of thieves I just hope that you remember the next time you lose your money to them that someone said,"I told you so". Chump.

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Well, at least...
Posted by: Cybershaman on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM   
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...we managed to keep their grubby little hands off of our Social Security money. Think about how much more of a mess we would be in if Moveon.org had not started the hue and cry over the attempts to privitize it.

We'd better hold firm while the Obama Adm. tries to do the same thing. Just wait. They will.

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Schweinhunt
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM   
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Swine!

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Par for the course
Posted by: ElRoi on Jun 3, 2009 10:56 AM   
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I find it sad, yet funny that people are still surprised to see what depths people will sink to when greed is involved. Ultimately, greed will be humankind's undoing.

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What is the New Administration Doing to Re-Regulate...
Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 3, 2009 11:09 AM   
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Wall Street, besides giving them trillions of our money? They keep talking about it, but nothing happens.

Which seems to be their M.O., unless it serves their corporate sponsors.

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We're Toast
Posted by: robertsgt40 on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM   
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For those that don't understand the connection between Greenspan, Rubin Summers, Reich, Paulson and Geithner you will be forever lost in the fog. There is a common thread that binds them way past any concern for the wellbeing of the United States. Until the Fed is dimembered and an honest monetary system put in place, we will be enslaved to the moneychangers forever. History does repeat.

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We need something different
Posted by: willymack on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM   
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Immediately, if not sooner. By now, anyone who hasn't concluded that Wall Street isn't thoroughly crooked, amoral, and heartless, has probably just emerged from a Rip Van Winkle type nap. Our Pillars of the Community aren't any different than cutpurses or sneak thieves, except for the scale of their theft, yet we continue to enshrine and worship them. The THINKING, or lack thereof is at the root of our problems. Our entire body politic has been infected with the virus of pathological greed, what with corporate ripoffs and the outrageous buying off of people elected to protect us from these criminals. The system is rotten to the core and cannot endure much longer in its present form. Capitalism, at least as it exists here is pure poison to everyone but the elite few. I watched "Mr Smith goes to Washington" with a young Jimmy Stewart, and directed by Frank Capra, last night. The film was made in 1939, and was about the very same problems we're experiencing right now. In the movie, the hero prevailed through the sheer force of his moral strength. The story is supposed to be uplifting. It brought a lump to my throat, but for the wrong reason. I wish I didn't feel so goddam sad, knowing there'll probably NEVER be a miracle like that here, EVER.

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The Music Man came to town, teamed up with the Pied
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM   
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Piper of Hamlin, passed out rose colored glasses and led everyone down the primrose path. History repeats itself over and over. I'll bet that 99% of bankers, stockbrokers, insurance sales persons and lawyers are republicans. Republicans have no empathy and someone with no empathy is boarder line if not out right sociopathic. Physically violent sociopaths usually windup in maximum security prisons while economically violent sociopaths wind up on Fox News as experts.

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Reforms are long overdue
Posted by: reg373 on Jun 3, 2009 2:07 PM   
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And the mega-banks have to be stabilized, they are too interconnected in the financial system we are all dependent on. After they are well, they should be broken up into smaller pieces so this cannot happen again - -- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

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Look at the bigger picture
Posted by: phindrup on Jun 3, 2009 6:14 PM   
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This is an example of how ‘the powers that be’ high on their sense of entitlement treat fellow Americans. Perhaps you will now understand why and how the US is universally hated throughout the world.

When others have what Americans think they have a greater entitlement too, how do you imagine those countries, those people, are treated?

You support Israel, which exhibits this trait writ large, you label those who oppose your collective greed as ‘terrorists’ and have historically supported despots who are willing to see their countries gutted by the US, just so as they get a cut.

Take a long look at the world and see the disastrous results of US 'leadership' across the globe and perhaps you will understand why there are so many of us who cannot wait to see the demise of the US.

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the bold and beautiful
Posted by: remo on Jun 3, 2009 10:47 PM   
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Has anyone read 'the conspirators' by Al Martin??
ISBN 0-9710042-0-X

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so what else's new
Posted by: sicntired on Jun 3, 2009 11:08 PM   
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First it was GWB and his bailout with NO consessions.Next,Obama leaves geitner in charge and guess what?He protects his buddies and his ass and the American people are left hoping for some mortgage relief that never appears.The American taxpayer has been mortgaged for the next three generations for sure and that's if everything goes right.Lest I point out that the GM bailout led to bankruptcy exactly where everyone knew it was going.$1M dollars for each job saved?If that makes sense in any reality you know of please pass on the information to the rest of us.The elite(yes Obama,that means you)will always do whatever they think they can get away with to protect their way of life.Which is looking down on the rest of us with such phoney empathy.Something they know of only from a dictionary.When are people going to wake up to the fac t that no one will look out for you but you?When your ass starts to burn,that's the feds sticking it to you once again.

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Deluded hypocritical fool am I
Posted by: zigy on Jun 4, 2009 1:01 PM   
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Bill Maer(sp?) suggested the surest (or only) way to stop these Wall St. jackels would be to quickly try and then publicly execute one or two (someone,but heaven forfend, not I might suggest Paulson,Greenspan, Phil Graham, Larry Summers, and Bob Rubin). OK, so I can't count, so what? The charge: Grand theft America,Treason, by way of RICO.

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be patient
Posted by: grkjr on Jun 4, 2009 8:00 PM   
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just wait and see.... the whole of congress will be voted back into their seats in the coming elections and what you cry so hard for will pass and the next step in this newly created democracy, that has grown out of the mighty middle class of yesteryear, will simply cry for their piece of the action.. thus very few regulations, more bailout.. but not to worry we have "change" in the air.. just listen to those who we elect. What we it take, how far must we fall. before we take responsibility for voting the way we vote...

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