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The Looting of America: How Wall Street Fleeced Millions from Wisconsin Schools
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The following is an excerpt from Les Leopold's new book, "The Looting of America" (Chelsea Green, 2009).
The Hooking of Whitefish Bay
The great economic crash of 2008 tore right through Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin, population 13,500—though you’d never guess it from looking around town.
Located just a few miles north of Milwaukee, this golden village exudes the hopeful self-confidence of the early 1960s. Whitefish Bay’s stately mansions offer breathtaking views of Lake Michigan from cliffs that rise a hundred feet above the shoreline. As you head inland on its tree-lined streets, the houses slowly shrink back into sturdy, middle-class neighborhoods. The stores on Silver Spring Drive, its main shopping strip, have survived despite fierce competition from the nearby Bayshore Mall (a self-contained ultramodern shopping village with faux streets, a faux town square, and real condos). Whitefish Bay also supports an art deco movie theater that serves meals while you watch the show, and a top-notch supermarket, fish market, and bakery. Nothing is out of place—except you, if you happen to be brown or black. Whitefish Bay is 94 percent white and only 1 percent black. There’s a reason the town’s unfortunate moniker is White Folks Bay.
Yet this white-collar town voted for Obama—and has always voted for its schools, which are considered among the best in the state. Its residents’ deep pockets supply the school system with all the extras: In 2007, $700,000 in donations provided “opportunities, services and facilities for students.” The investment has paid off. An average of 94 percent of Whitefish Bay’s high school graduates go on to college immediately. And the school dropout rate is less than half of 1 percent.
The school district takes its fiscal responsibilities seriously. It has set up a trust fund to pay benefits, primarily health insurance, for retired school employees. When these benefits (called “Other Post-Employment Benefits” or OPEB) were originally negotiated, the expense was modest. But then health care costs exploded. What’s more, accounting rules now require that school districts amortize these costs and post them on their books as a liability each year. Whitefish Bay, like many other school districts, became worried about how to meet these liabilities.
Whitefish Bay is a town full of financially sophisticated residents, including its school managers. They sought to pump up the OPEB trust fund quickly so they could keep their promises to retirees. As responsible guardians of the town’s resources, they looked for the highest rate of return at a minimal risk to the fund’s principal. As Shaun Yde, the school district’s director of business services, put it, the goal was to “guarantee a secure future for our employees without increasing the burden on our taxpayers or decreasing the funds available to our students to fund their education.”
Meanwhile, Wall Street investment houses had set their sights on school-district trust funds like Whitefish Bay’s. They hoped to persuade districts to stop stashing this money—valued at well above $100 billion nationwide in 2006—in treasury bonds and federally insured certificates of deposit (CDs). Wall Street’s “innovative” securities could provide higher returns—not to mention more lucrative fees for the investment firms.
So an old-fashioned financial romance began: Supply (Wall Street’s hottest financial products) met Demand (school districts seeking to build up their OPEB trust funds). It looked like a perfect match.
In the Milwaukee area, Supply was represented by Stifel Nicolaus & Company, a venerable, 108-year-old financial firm, which promised to put “the welfare of clients and community first” as it pursued “excellence and a desire to exceed clients’ expectations . . .”
As a national firm based in St. Louis, Stifel Nicolaus was fortunate to be represented in Milwaukee by David W. Noack. According to the New York Times, “He had been advising Wisconsin school boards for two decades, helping them borrow for new gymnasiums and classrooms. His father had taught at an area high school for 47 years. All six of his children attended Milwaukee schools.” School boards repeatedly referred to him as their “financial advisor”—a label he never refuted.
In 2006, Mr. Noack, an avuncular, low-key salesman (he preferred to be called a banker), urged the Whitefish school board and others in Wisconsin to buy securities that offered higher returns than treasury notes but were just about as safe. He had recently attended a two-hour training session on these new financial products, so he was confident when he assured the officials that they were “safe double-A, triple-A-type investments.” None of the investments included subprime debt, he said. And the deal conformed to state statutes, so the district would be erring on the conservative side. In fact, Noack said, the risk was so low that there would have to be “15 Enrons” before the district would be affected. For the schools to lose their investment, “out of the top eight hundred companies in the world, one hundred would have to go under.”
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Posted by: DrBrian on Jun 3, 2009 12:13 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 3, 2009 2:28 AM
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It's called lying, cheating and stealing and the English courts let Lloyd's get away with bankrupting the people they misled because "Lloyd's makes money for the country".
Although the evidence of fraud is abundantly clear (see TimeEurope's special edition in February 2000), no criminal prosecution can take place as the Fraud Act 2006 now protects fraudsters because it requires proof of intent to defraud. All crooks are presumed to be innocent even if fraud has undoubtedly taken place.
Plea-bargaining is NOT going to be introduced. Hardly a surprise given that people on this side of the Atlantic still don't have any of the rights in the first ten amendments to the US Constitution.
Unfortunately, only one investor has been able to bring Lloyd's to its knees but the settlement (Lloyd's paid out millions) means that nothing can be revealed.
Swine flu is less worrying than the combination of lawyers and bankers.
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Posted by: marid on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 AM
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The Politicians and Criminals go hand in hand and the American people are being robbed. This story is just another of the daily onslaught of the evils of the money lenders. Close Wall Street down, it serves no real purpose. Regulate the hell out of all financial plans and instruments, these rich bastards cannot be trusted, just open your eyes. Most regulations are a response to a real danger or a criminal action, not me and my buddies trying to stick it to business and finance.
Last and most important all these people need to be investigated for criminal actions, if such an action is proved their entire accumulation of wealth should be confiscated as restitution. The Corpse, Merchants of Death, and the Money Lords have been tearing our country apart for years. Their supporters prove all too often to be misguided dolts who don't even understand the points in question. Eisenhower warned us. Close Wall Street, teh concentration of wealth in a smaller and smaller portion of our society is producing the royalty and aristocratic controlled govt. that Americans are supposed to abhore.
Campaign finance reform and term limits must come now to oust the politicians who prostitute themselves to the Powers of Greed to procure enough money to stay in office. Your, my and our countries real needs seldom, if ever, come into play. But I am stumped, How do we get rid of the Vermin already in office, do you think they will vote themselves out of office? Whoa to America.
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jun 3, 2009 5:59 AM
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Pension funds and others are now forced into extremely risky investments for pathetic returns, and now they lose their shirts. Well DUH! What did you expect?
If we have to have a central bank, let them manage the banks, and not the economy. Their meddling only produces disaster.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 3, 2009 7:24 AM
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As these people have so many Americans diverted by fluff and infotainment the few that have been minding the store have not just been ridiculed but called unpatriotic!
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Posted by: thisizrob on Jun 3, 2009 7:55 AM
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Greed will always bring sorrow to those who practice it. The Bible stated in Proverbs that, "He that is greedy for gain, troubleth his whole household", well, a truer word was never spoken and this whole sad mess proves the point. Been there, done that and lost my money and reputation. It is a sad way to learn, but as my seventh grade teacher taught us over 50 years ago, "A fool and his money will soon be parted" and " He who filches from me my good name, robs me of that, which not enriches him, but leaves me poor indeed."
I was fooled by the GMT (Get Moving today) fiasco back in the year when the second space shuttle came to grief. I and a number of others who were also fooled lost our money. I guess, he who learns not from the folly of others is sure to make the same mistakes. No, I haven't had the money to do it again, I was wiped out and can sympathize with those school people. It is a very hard lesson that takes years to rebuild. I wish them well.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 3, 2009 8:08 AM
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And while we are at it we should include Paulson ,Gethner and the CEO's of Goldman Sachs and the the bond rating agencies .
If we have to use harsh interrogation techniques on them SO BE IT .
I believe that we had an Investigation after the 29 crash that was headed by a former NY
DA whose name I believe was Pecora . We need that RIGHT NOW but perhaps more importantly we must re regulate the Financial Services Industry because as of now they could very well be doing the same thing with our bailout money
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Posted by: riondluz on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 AM
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From a previous thread/poster:
by richg74 (650636) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @11:14AM (#28158393) Homepage
The problem is that the quant's model is in its self an input to the reality
"There's plenty of blame to go around. The managements, who should have known better, were bedazzled by the dollar signs floating out of their economic perpetual-motion machine. The quants knew the math, and their hubris led them to think that nothing else was needed. And the investors, while proving the truth of P.T. Barnum's Law of Applied Economics, forgot that there ain't no free lunch."
And:
by RichMan (8097) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @09:21AM (#28157693)
The problem with economics is that is probably more a sociological study than a idealized science.
"Economics talks of supply and demand and perfect markets. Yet we all know the advertising and social herd behavior affect purchases much more than any real needs or demands."
Also, From another website:
| The Psychology of Collection and Hoarding In Games |
| from the who-has-the-most-nerdoints dept. |
| posted by Soulskill on Sunday May 31, @13:17 (Games) |
| http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/31/1633236 |
"... how the compulsion to hoard
and accumulate objects, as well as the desire to accomplish entirely
abstract goals, has become part of the modern gaming mindset. "The Obsessive Compulsive Foundation explains that in compulsive hoarders:
'Acquiring is often associated with positive emotions, such as pleasure and excitement, motivating individuals who experience these emotions while acquiring to keep acquiring, despite negative consequences.'"
So, maybe the MOTU are primarily gamblers who treat their lives like a game. And the connecting threads from Wall Street to the heart/hinter land may be reflected in new studies (see the science channel) related to networks of both the social and techno varieties.
What i've gleaned from everyone's inputs is that it (greed|self-interest, general behavior) can be overlaid upon these studies mapping social networks and grids and the assertion that physical space is relative to its members.
It goes on to describe how people live in either small or large worlds based on their ability to get/move information. Small-world individuals are more travelled, better educated, wealthier; or have access to those who are.
They live in a small-world because they can easily 'reach out and touch someone 1/2 a world away.
Large-world inhabitants can barely get a letter to the next town over, have fewer resources at their disposal and are more limited in their reach.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Jun 3, 2009 10:28 AM
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Does it never occur to the districts out there they should never put a penney of their communities money into something that is not guaranteed or at least as close as one could come to it. Government bonds and notes are the safest investment tool for them and for us unless you consider bank CD's where if the bank goes under you will still be paid. If the government goes under and cannot pay out on the bonds and notes it will not really matter at that point anymore and bigger concerns will be imminent.
Do not put a dime of your collective money or a nickle of your personal money into anything other then government backed securities unless you like to feed the habits of those low life criminals which make up Wall Street. And if you decide at some point in the future to again put any of your hard earned money into this den of thieves I just hope that you remember the next time you lose your money to them that someone said,"I told you so". Chump.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM
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We'd better hold firm while the Obama Adm. tries to do the same thing. Just wait. They will.
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Which seems to be their M.O., unless it serves their corporate sponsors.
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Posted by: phindrup on Jun 3, 2009 6:14 PM
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When others have what Americans think they have a greater entitlement too, how do you imagine those countries, those people, are treated?
You support Israel, which exhibits this trait writ large, you label those who oppose your collective greed as ‘terrorists’ and have historically supported despots who are willing to see their countries gutted by the US, just so as they get a cut.
Take a long look at the world and see the disastrous results of US 'leadership' across the globe and perhaps you will understand why there are so many of us who cannot wait to see the demise of the US.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 3, 2009 2:28 AM
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It's called lying, cheating and stealing and the English courts let Lloyd's get away with bankrupting the people they misled because "Lloyd's makes money for the country".
Although the evidence of fraud is abundantly clear (see TimeEurope's special edition in February 2000), no criminal prosecution can take place as the Fraud Act 2006 now protects fraudsters because it requires proof of intent to defraud. All crooks are presumed to be innocent even if fraud has undoubtedly taken place.
Plea-bargaining is NOT going to be introduced. Hardly a surprise given that people on this side of the Atlantic still don't have any of the rights in the first ten amendments to the US Constitution.
Unfortunately, only one investor has been able to bring Lloyd's to its knees but the settlement (Lloyd's paid out millions) means that nothing can be revealed.
Swine flu is less worrying than the combination of lawyers and bankers.
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Posted by: marid on Jun 3, 2009 4:00 AM
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The Politicians and Criminals go hand in hand and the American people are being robbed. This story is just another of the daily onslaught of the evils of the money lenders. Close Wall Street down, it serves no real purpose. Regulate the hell out of all financial plans and instruments, these rich bastards cannot be trusted, just open your eyes. Most regulations are a response to a real danger or a criminal action, not me and my buddies trying to stick it to business and finance.
Last and most important all these people need to be investigated for criminal actions, if such an action is proved their entire accumulation of wealth should be confiscated as restitution. The Corpse, Merchants of Death, and the Money Lords have been tearing our country apart for years. Their supporters prove all too often to be misguided dolts who don't even understand the points in question. Eisenhower warned us. Close Wall Street, teh concentration of wealth in a smaller and smaller portion of our society is producing the royalty and aristocratic controlled govt. that Americans are supposed to abhore.
Campaign finance reform and term limits must come now to oust the politicians who prostitute themselves to the Powers of Greed to procure enough money to stay in office. Your, my and our countries real needs seldom, if ever, come into play. But I am stumped, How do we get rid of the Vermin already in office, do you think they will vote themselves out of office? Whoa to America.
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Pension funds and others are now forced into extremely risky investments for pathetic returns, and now they lose their shirts. Well DUH! What did you expect?
If we have to have a central bank, let them manage the banks, and not the economy. Their meddling only produces disaster.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jun 3, 2009 7:24 AM
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As these people have so many Americans diverted by fluff and infotainment the few that have been minding the store have not just been ridiculed but called unpatriotic!
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Posted by: thisizrob on Jun 3, 2009 7:55 AM
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Greed will always bring sorrow to those who practice it. The Bible stated in Proverbs that, "He that is greedy for gain, troubleth his whole household", well, a truer word was never spoken and this whole sad mess proves the point. Been there, done that and lost my money and reputation. It is a sad way to learn, but as my seventh grade teacher taught us over 50 years ago, "A fool and his money will soon be parted" and " He who filches from me my good name, robs me of that, which not enriches him, but leaves me poor indeed."
I was fooled by the GMT (Get Moving today) fiasco back in the year when the second space shuttle came to grief. I and a number of others who were also fooled lost our money. I guess, he who learns not from the folly of others is sure to make the same mistakes. No, I haven't had the money to do it again, I was wiped out and can sympathize with those school people. It is a very hard lesson that takes years to rebuild. I wish them well.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 3, 2009 8:08 AM
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And while we are at it we should include Paulson ,Gethner and the CEO's of Goldman Sachs and the the bond rating agencies .
If we have to use harsh interrogation techniques on them SO BE IT .
I believe that we had an Investigation after the 29 crash that was headed by a former NY
DA whose name I believe was Pecora . We need that RIGHT NOW but perhaps more importantly we must re regulate the Financial Services Industry because as of now they could very well be doing the same thing with our bailout money
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Posted by: riondluz on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 AM
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From a previous thread/poster:
by richg74 (650636) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @11:14AM (#28158393) Homepage
The problem is that the quant's model is in its self an input to the reality
"There's plenty of blame to go around. The managements, who should have known better, were bedazzled by the dollar signs floating out of their economic perpetual-motion machine. The quants knew the math, and their hubris led them to think that nothing else was needed. And the investors, while proving the truth of P.T. Barnum's Law of Applied Economics, forgot that there ain't no free lunch."
And:
by RichMan (8097) Alter Relationship on Sunday May 31, @09:21AM (#28157693)
The problem with economics is that is probably more a sociological study than a idealized science.
"Economics talks of supply and demand and perfect markets. Yet we all know the advertising and social herd behavior affect purchases much more than any real needs or demands."
Also, From another website:
| The Psychology of Collection and Hoarding In Games |
| from the who-has-the-most-nerdoints dept. |
| posted by Soulskill on Sunday May 31, @13:17 (Games) |
| http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/31/1633236 |
"... how the compulsion to hoard
and accumulate objects, as well as the desire to accomplish entirely
abstract goals, has become part of the modern gaming mindset. "The Obsessive Compulsive Foundation explains that in compulsive hoarders:
'Acquiring is often associated with positive emotions, such as pleasure and excitement, motivating individuals who experience these emotions while acquiring to keep acquiring, despite negative consequences.'"
So, maybe the MOTU are primarily gamblers who treat their lives like a game. And the connecting threads from Wall Street to the heart/hinter land may be reflected in new studies (see the science channel) related to networks of both the social and techno varieties.
What i've gleaned from everyone's inputs is that it (greed|self-interest, general behavior) can be overlaid upon these studies mapping social networks and grids and the assertion that physical space is relative to its members.
It goes on to describe how people live in either small or large worlds based on their ability to get/move information. Small-world individuals are more travelled, better educated, wealthier; or have access to those who are.
They live in a small-world because they can easily 'reach out and touch someone 1/2 a world away.
Large-world inhabitants can barely get a letter to the next town over, have fewer resources at their disposal and are more limited in their reach.
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Posted by: luther6 on Jun 3, 2009 9:00 AM
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» RE: They could have given everyone $40,000
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» $40,000 - that was a satirical op-ed in the WaPo, not a serious proposition
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» Not satire. Reality
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» RE: They could have given everyone $40,000
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Jun 3, 2009 10:28 AM
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Does it never occur to the districts out there they should never put a penney of their communities money into something that is not guaranteed or at least as close as one could come to it. Government bonds and notes are the safest investment tool for them and for us unless you consider bank CD's where if the bank goes under you will still be paid. If the government goes under and cannot pay out on the bonds and notes it will not really matter at that point anymore and bigger concerns will be imminent.
Do not put a dime of your collective money or a nickle of your personal money into anything other then government backed securities unless you like to feed the habits of those low life criminals which make up Wall Street. And if you decide at some point in the future to again put any of your hard earned money into this den of thieves I just hope that you remember the next time you lose your money to them that someone said,"I told you so". Chump.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM
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We'd better hold firm while the Obama Adm. tries to do the same thing. Just wait. They will.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 3, 2009 10:39 AM
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Posted by: ElRoi on Jun 3, 2009 10:56 AM
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jun 3, 2009 11:09 AM
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Which seems to be their M.O., unless it serves their corporate sponsors.
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» The crunch is coming. The program to subsidize the sale of the bad assets ain't working.
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Posted by: robertsgt40 on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM
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Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 PM
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Posted by: reg373 on Jun 3, 2009 2:07 PM
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Posted by: phindrup on Jun 3, 2009 6:14 PM
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When others have what Americans think they have a greater entitlement too, how do you imagine those countries, those people, are treated?
You support Israel, which exhibits this trait writ large, you label those who oppose your collective greed as ‘terrorists’ and have historically supported despots who are willing to see their countries gutted by the US, just so as they get a cut.
Take a long look at the world and see the disastrous results of US 'leadership' across the globe and perhaps you will understand why there are so many of us who cannot wait to see the demise of the US.
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Posted by: remo on Jun 3, 2009 10:47 PM
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ISBN 0-9710042-0-X
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Posted by: sicntired on Jun 3, 2009 11:08 PM
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Posted by: zigy on Jun 4, 2009 1:01 PM
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Posted by: grkjr on Jun 4, 2009 8:00 PM
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