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The Crisis Hasn't Hit Everywhere: 10 States Weathering the Economic Storm
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The economies of 10 states are outperforming the US economy as a whole, according to a just-released study by the Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government, an independent research group in Albany, NY, which analyzes state and local government.
The two biggest reasons, say the authors of the report, are that most of these states have economies that benefited through much of 2008 from high and rising oil and natural gas prices, and their real estate markets have not suffered the bust to the extent seen elsewhere.
"As for lessons for other states, they're not too easy to emulate," says Donald Boyd, co-author of the report. "Have a lot of oil, and don't run your real estate prices up into the stratosphere."
Mr. Boyd and other analysts say that the ten states (Alaska, Wyoming, Louisiana, Nebraska, Texas, Iowa, New Mexico, Utah, Oklahoma, and South Dakota) did not enjoy the real estate boom seen in places like California, Arizona, and Nevada - and therefore have not gone bust to the same degree.
That's because banks did not practice what Bob Denk of the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) calls the "grotesque deterioration of lending standards" which fueled housing demand and produced rapid price increases.
"There was a lot of wacky lending practices everywhere, and so it's just a matter of degree how overheated any of these markets got," says Mr. Denk.
Markets on both coasts started with "the noble goal of trying to extend home ownership to those who might not qualify under stricter rules" he says. Whereas in 2001, only about one percent of the nation's housing loans were in the sub prime category, the national average now is 5.5 percent. Nevada is now at 12.5 percent after dropping back from 13 percent. California and Arizona are in the 8 percent range, Denk says.
Less boom means less bust
"I don't think there is a great mystery here," says David Merriman, professor of public administration at the University of Illinois at Chicago. "These are states that had less boom and so have less bust. They are relatively favored by industrial composition."
Where jobs are stable, housing remains more stable as well, point out other economists. A lower cost of living makes a difference too.
"Insurance, fuel, food, recreation are all examples of categories where we enjoy lower costs compared to other larger markets outside of the Midwest," says Doug Burnett of Burnett Realty in Des Moines, Iowa. "That is more attractive to employers that need workers, and it is a factor when someone is making decisions about staying put or moving away."
Burnett says it will not shock most people to learn that the middle of the county tends to be more conservative in everything from their investments to their clothing purchases -- and buying homes is no different.
"Since there is relatively little experience with the 'boom' housing other markets have experienced there is not an expectation to have to participate in out of sight housing prices," Burnett says. "There has been a relative run up in our market; but in our market we tend to experience and expect three to four percent appreciation per year over any reasonable time frame of, say, three to five years. Not real sexy but it is comforting."
Diversification is a key
Susan Ramsey, senior vice president for the Greater Des Moines Partnership, says the city's and state's decade-long quest to become more diversified has also helped. The state learned its lesson after an oil boom there from 1978 to 1986, she says, and it has been preparing for just this kind of recent economic scenario.
There are now 75 top insurance firms domiciled in Des Moines and an emerging wind and ethanol industry. A heavy investment in infrastructure has provided a kind of investment momentum that inspires consumer confidence as well, she says. Some $2.5 billion in investment has meant lots of cranes in the sky in the state capital.
"Iowans don't rattle easily," Ms. Ramsey says. "People have pulled in their belts, but there's not shorter lines in restaurants, or movies, or retail stores. There continues to be a basic confidence in the marketplace."
Jill Harrison of the Greater Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce also says that Oklahoma learned its lessons after going through the oil bust of the 1980s.
"Everything we have done since then has been careful and calculated," she says, "so that we would survive in a time just like today."
Economists say that when people are employed they pay taxes and spend money on goods and services.
"They buy houses and pay property taxes and tend to stay put and buy more goods and services to fix up their homes, all of which means more revenue for the state in sales and property taxes," says Burnett, the realtor in Des Moines.
"In this context, when we say 'build it and they will come,' we mean build jobs," he says. "Cities and states that make job creation a priority will find the partners and stakeholders that provide necessary infrastructure like housing and services. As demand for housing goes up, so go the prices."
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 27, 2009 5:07 AM
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The union workers did not kill the American Auto industry- the Unholy allience of Top brass of Oil & Auto, along with some Pocket politicians killed our mainstay manufacturing base. the Line worker would have assembled whatever came down the line- including light Rail Cabins, Mr Boneher. It was infuriating to hear this drunk ass MF'er claim there was no benefit to his constitutents to build high speed rail systems between West coast cities- Unless of course he was going to make sure the components were purchased from foreign makers and suppliers.
So Boomers, this Mother's Day & Father's Day take a lil' time out to stop by the graves of your ancestors - Thank them for all they built (the middle Class, this Superpower and the global Economy) and Apologize for having Lost it all on your Watch.As soon as you all got the big leather chairs and the corner offices in the '80's, you essentially spit on their graves and in your kids faces.'Boom' no longer refers to the explosive birth rate surrounding WW2, but the effects of their "me" ttitude while in power.Sad but it seems the 'Greatest Generation' gave birth to the Worst Generation.Isn't surprising that NOW Social Security and Medicare are considered the '3rd rail' and Wages and Bennies are unjustifiable 'Entitlements'.'Good to the last Drop' ah Boomers?
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» MI needs to give young minds a chance to invent so that Big Auto can be stopped.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Michigan Is Hopeless
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» Yeah. Let's hear it for the mangled, burnt human flesh industry that keeps Georgia going!
Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» Atlanta, Athens
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» So you would prefer more slavery and racism down south won't you?
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» I AM A TEXAN AND YOU NEED TO RETHINK YOUR STEREOTYPES, DUDE!
Posted by: joeocho88
» RE: texan pride
Posted by: riondluz
» No, the sunbelt is falling into hopelessness while MI is trying to get out of it, dumb fuck !
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» RE: MY FATHER WAS OUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRECINCT CHAIRMAN AND I VOTE DEMOCRATIC
Posted by: joeocho88
» MI Rep. Dingell kept mileage standards low- ruinous
Posted by: plantland
» what the F that has to do with anything
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» Hey guzzler boy, how much more shall we keep begging Saudi Arabia, Hugo, and drill-baby-drill ?
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» RE: Hey guzzler boy, how much more shall we keep begging Saudi Arabia, Hugo, and drill-baby-drill ?
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Apr 27, 2009 5:21 AM
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» there is no such thing as "Peak Oil"
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» You're fucking deluded. Peak oil is for real or we wouldn't be bugging Saudi Arabia or Iraq !
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Apr 27, 2009 5:32 AM
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"Markets on both coasts started with 'the noble goal of trying to extend home ownership to those who might not qualify under stricter rules' "
The goal only goal was to make a lot of money through fraud and deception. The wording of Denk's comment is carefully crafted to imply that the banks et al. who participated in the fraud were trying to help the poor. Not so.They just made bad loans and passed them on to gullible investors and an unsuspecting public.
They made loans to all sorts of people who "might not qualify" under prudent standards. Some of their victims just happened to be poor.
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» RE: "Noble Goal" My Ass!
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» RE: "Noble Goal" My Ass!
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Apr 27, 2009 6:05 AM
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Compelled unionism destroys jobs and eventually the economy of the State.
Right-to-work and worker freedom is the only moral choice.
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» add in population, land mass...
Posted by: ellie
» Iowa's a right to scab state
Posted by: sausage
» I love Iowa! What a great state!
Posted by: AJR Journal
» RE: My view from Milwaukee
Posted by: Cybershaman
» Organized Labor is Organized Crime!
Posted by: AJR Journal
» RE: Corporate Crime is now Organized.
Posted by: Cybershaman
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 27, 2009 6:31 AM
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Ann Coulter, nutcase that she may be, is right about one thing (even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while) when she says that illegal immigration amounts to a new form of U.S. slavery. "America," land of the free turned land of the fee, and home of the brave turned home of the slave (and slaver).
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» that slave labor is on the Privilege Coast Also
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» Yeah, but if Annie No-Fannie had to pay her slaves...
Posted by: sausage
» RE: I AM FROM TEXAS AND THIS IS NONSENSE
Posted by: joeocho88
» Your state of TX is in a rathole so shut your trap.
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» RE: I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN. TEXAS TRADITION IS YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT
Posted by: joeocho88
» RE: I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN. TEXAS TRADITION IS YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT
Posted by: Cybershaman
» Kinky Friedman
Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» There were 2 independents in that race from the results I found.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Your state of TX is in a rathole so shut your trap.
Posted by: riondluz
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Posted by: sausage on Apr 27, 2009 7:37 AM
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Also Doug Burnett of Burnett Realty in Des Moines, Iowa was an organizer of the April 15 "tea bag" party at the Iowa State House.
"My name is Doug Burnett and, frankly, I'm mad as hell," said the Sherman Hill resident who started Burnett Reality about nine years ago and helped organize the citizens' protest in Des Moines. The Des Moines Register.com, April 16, 2009
But in this Christian Science Monitor story he says:"They buy houses and pay property taxes and tend to stay put and buy more goods and services to fix up their homes, all of which means more revenue for the state in sales and property taxes[.]"
What a bullshit artist.
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» what dose federal cash have to do with anything?
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» WTF???
Posted by: sausage
» RE: what dose federal cash have to do with anything?
Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» Thank you, slthrop.
Posted by: sausage
» RE: TEA PARTY WAS ABOUT TAXATION ( BAILOUT) WITHOUT REPRESENTATION (NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE MONEY)
Posted by: joeocho88
» Whole lotta Iowa farmers living off the federal farm bills.
Posted by: Sojourner
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Apr 27, 2009 8:10 AM
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Its freaking Cheep!
Oh yea we have things like the big cities such as world class theater and art galleries. Queer friendly, walkable streets, our bars stay open till 4 am and we have a lot of those too. A lot of local owned restaurants and pizza joints (yes this is the home of the chicken wing) and things like parks, libraries and a waterfront we don't really know what to do with. If you need to get cosmo well Toronto is in hour away and you are really hard up planes to NYC are always on tap (If Obama gets his way we should have high speed rail right at the end of his term in 2012, yes 2012).
Buffalo can get a lil more progressive, yes its a union town with (D)'s that run the show city wide and I don't like it myself but you guys should love it.
Did I mentioned that rent is cheep? What if I told you that you can get a mortgage for under $500 bucks in a 1500 sq ft home and it an't in tha ghetto either? Just look on Craiglist (and don't look for prostitutes becuase the cops can check IP addresses, i mean if you are going to dispose of the ladies you just of just pick up the local ALT paper and used a pre paid phone to do your dirt but thats a diffent story).
Now this might sound all sunshine and lollipops but the bad about Buffalo is the lack of jobs. You entrepreneurs out there (if any are still left) can set up shop dirt cheep here however if you start making money good ole taxes and energy cost might get to you but you progressives heart taxes so it shouldn't bother you do give up 40% to 70% of your earnings. You guys hate the SUV but a good 4x4 will keep you moving in the harshest of Buffalo winters. Yes it snows but we also clean that stuff up asap.
At the end of the day this article is great to point out what states continue to be "pro business" because progressives have a hard time understanding the concept of "making money" and a Small Business or a Multinational Corporation is going to find the place to set up shop with the lowest operating cost (i.e. Texas or Oklahoma) instead of going to Michigan or Chicago (Illinois is just there to make the rest of Chicagoland look good).
Buffalo itself it not a bad spot, you can even buy a house for a buck (yes from the City) but that might be in tha ghetto however you hard core progressive wouldn't mind and the hood here an't like Chicago or Detroit (most houses are not as metal bar up). With the extra space you can grow a garden, make some art or do what you progressives do best: blog and knit things.
plus: I know none of you are tripping over yourselfs to move to Oklahoma anytime soon
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» "Cheep" is what birds do.
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» just the facts
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» RE: So, should I move to Buff?
Posted by: DCostello2
» what do you want a Handyman Special or just a flat out habitual home for cheep
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Apr 27, 2009 10:12 AM
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i will say though, that even in oklahoma (having lived there from 97-07) real estate was still overpriced - especially compared to incomes...
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» RE: when you start with nothing...
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» RE:OKLAHOMA WAS A DUMPING GROUND FOR NATIVE AMERICANS ORIGINALLY
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Posted by: okfalcon on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM
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But our developers-cum-politicians were truly busy over-building these last 6-8 years. Hardly any land is not covered with roof-to-roof identical houses (you know the kind) near any city. It's been brutal on the fields, forests, and wildlife that once made this place great to live in & love.
The politicians here are nearly nuts, though, or maybe just nuts. And the people who elected them, I guess the same. They're coping with our rising unemployment by arranging tax cuts for rich folks. They're coping with state short-falls by trying to get rid of grocery taxes. They're trying to get rid of the state department of education (and all standards of education). These, and many more insane radical right ideas are being voted in. If we get a republican governor in 2010, say a prayer for us.
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» WE ARE CURSED WITH THE SAME THING IN TEXAS
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Posted by: reg373 on Apr 27, 2009 11:34 AM
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» RE: IS THIS FAULTY LOGIC?
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» RE: FDR lives...
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Posted by: willymack on Apr 27, 2009 5:04 PM
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Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 27, 2009 8:30 PM
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I don't blame the journalists that nobody knows what the short-term future will bring. But I am amazed at how little that alters business-as-usual. Keep cranking out the BS whether the economy is up or down? Treading water is learned in Journalism 101?
In my California city, there's a war going on in the streets. That's nothing new. We have gotten so used to it that it's only now when the levels are new that we notice "the crisis"?
Because nothing was done about it when the economy was full of jobs, we are reduced now to praying to survive? Yes, the rot is growing, but it is rot that has been with us for a long, long time now. Funny how our politicians don't put together PR pieces to describe the rot for journalists. It's not that hard for journalists to locate. You can just follow your nose.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 27, 2009 11:30 PM
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Posted by: okcsteve on Apr 28, 2009 2:53 PM
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a.> All this greatness has been achieved by addition by subtraction....
and
b.> These "patriots" are sucking dry other states by getting their companies to locate to their states, and doing so all the while chanting "USA USA" when they should be shanting "CSA CSA" (competing states of america...that is, competing to see who can supress their population the most so as to give big business the best deals and move wealth upwards!)
I live in Oklahoma City, and I see this very clearly .... if this is not addressed, '10 and beyond will be an absolute disaster. Count on it.
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» RE: TERRIBLE ARTICLE!!!!
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Posted by: m_doles on Apr 30, 2009 7:05 PM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 27, 2009 5:07 AM
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The union workers did not kill the American Auto industry- the Unholy allience of Top brass of Oil & Auto, along with some Pocket politicians killed our mainstay manufacturing base. the Line worker would have assembled whatever came down the line- including light Rail Cabins, Mr Boneher. It was infuriating to hear this drunk ass MF'er claim there was no benefit to his constitutents to build high speed rail systems between West coast cities- Unless of course he was going to make sure the components were purchased from foreign makers and suppliers.
So Boomers, this Mother's Day & Father's Day take a lil' time out to stop by the graves of your ancestors - Thank them for all they built (the middle Class, this Superpower and the global Economy) and Apologize for having Lost it all on your Watch.As soon as you all got the big leather chairs and the corner offices in the '80's, you essentially spit on their graves and in your kids faces.'Boom' no longer refers to the explosive birth rate surrounding WW2, but the effects of their "me" ttitude while in power.Sad but it seems the 'Greatest Generation' gave birth to the Worst Generation.Isn't surprising that NOW Social Security and Medicare are considered the '3rd rail' and Wages and Bennies are unjustifiable 'Entitlements'.'Good to the last Drop' ah Boomers?
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» MI needs to give young minds a chance to invent so that Big Auto can be stopped.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» Michigan Is Hopeless
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» Yeah. Let's hear it for the mangled, burnt human flesh industry that keeps Georgia going!
Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» Atlanta, Athens
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» So you would prefer more slavery and racism down south won't you?
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» I AM A TEXAN AND YOU NEED TO RETHINK YOUR STEREOTYPES, DUDE!
Posted by: joeocho88
» RE: texan pride
Posted by: riondluz
» No, the sunbelt is falling into hopelessness while MI is trying to get out of it, dumb fuck !
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» RE: MY FATHER WAS OUR DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRECINCT CHAIRMAN AND I VOTE DEMOCRATIC
Posted by: joeocho88
» MI Rep. Dingell kept mileage standards low- ruinous
Posted by: plantland
» what the F that has to do with anything
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» Hey guzzler boy, how much more shall we keep begging Saudi Arabia, Hugo, and drill-baby-drill ?
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» RE: Hey guzzler boy, how much more shall we keep begging Saudi Arabia, Hugo, and drill-baby-drill ?
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Apr 27, 2009 5:21 AM
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» there is no such thing as "Peak Oil"
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» You're fucking deluded. Peak oil is for real or we wouldn't be bugging Saudi Arabia or Iraq !
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
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Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Apr 27, 2009 5:32 AM
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"Markets on both coasts started with 'the noble goal of trying to extend home ownership to those who might not qualify under stricter rules' "
The goal only goal was to make a lot of money through fraud and deception. The wording of Denk's comment is carefully crafted to imply that the banks et al. who participated in the fraud were trying to help the poor. Not so.They just made bad loans and passed them on to gullible investors and an unsuspecting public.
They made loans to all sorts of people who "might not qualify" under prudent standards. Some of their victims just happened to be poor.
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» RE: "Noble Goal" My Ass!
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» RE: "Noble Goal" My Ass!
Posted by: Cybershaman
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Apr 27, 2009 6:05 AM
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Compelled unionism destroys jobs and eventually the economy of the State.
Right-to-work and worker freedom is the only moral choice.
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» add in population, land mass...
Posted by: ellie
» Iowa's a right to scab state
Posted by: sausage
» I love Iowa! What a great state!
Posted by: AJR Journal
» RE: My view from Milwaukee
Posted by: Cybershaman
» Organized Labor is Organized Crime!
Posted by: AJR Journal
» RE: Corporate Crime is now Organized.
Posted by: Cybershaman
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Apr 27, 2009 6:31 AM
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Ann Coulter, nutcase that she may be, is right about one thing (even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while) when she says that illegal immigration amounts to a new form of U.S. slavery. "America," land of the free turned land of the fee, and home of the brave turned home of the slave (and slaver).
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» that slave labor is on the Privilege Coast Also
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» Yeah, but if Annie No-Fannie had to pay her slaves...
Posted by: sausage
» RE: I AM FROM TEXAS AND THIS IS NONSENSE
Posted by: joeocho88
» Your state of TX is in a rathole so shut your trap.
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT
» RE: I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN. TEXAS TRADITION IS YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT
Posted by: joeocho88
» RE: I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN. TEXAS TRADITION IS YELLOW DOG DEMOCRAT
Posted by: Cybershaman
» Kinky Friedman
Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» There were 2 independents in that race from the results I found.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» RE: Your state of TX is in a rathole so shut your trap.
Posted by: riondluz
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Posted by: sausage on Apr 27, 2009 7:37 AM
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Also Doug Burnett of Burnett Realty in Des Moines, Iowa was an organizer of the April 15 "tea bag" party at the Iowa State House.
"My name is Doug Burnett and, frankly, I'm mad as hell," said the Sherman Hill resident who started Burnett Reality about nine years ago and helped organize the citizens' protest in Des Moines. The Des Moines Register.com, April 16, 2009
But in this Christian Science Monitor story he says:"They buy houses and pay property taxes and tend to stay put and buy more goods and services to fix up their homes, all of which means more revenue for the state in sales and property taxes[.]"
What a bullshit artist.
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» what dose federal cash have to do with anything?
Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars
» WTF???
Posted by: sausage
» RE: what dose federal cash have to do with anything?
Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» Thank you, slthrop.
Posted by: sausage
» RE: TEA PARTY WAS ABOUT TAXATION ( BAILOUT) WITHOUT REPRESENTATION (NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE MONEY)
Posted by: joeocho88
» Whole lotta Iowa farmers living off the federal farm bills.
Posted by: Sojourner
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Apr 27, 2009 8:10 AM
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Its freaking Cheep!
Oh yea we have things like the big cities such as world class theater and art galleries. Queer friendly, walkable streets, our bars stay open till 4 am and we have a lot of those too. A lot of local owned restaurants and pizza joints (yes this is the home of the chicken wing) and things like parks, libraries and a waterfront we don't really know what to do with. If you need to get cosmo well Toronto is in hour away and you are really hard up planes to NYC are always on tap (If Obama gets his way we should have high speed rail right at the end of his term in 2012, yes 2012).
Buffalo can get a lil more progressive, yes its a union town with (D)'s that run the show city wide and I don't like it myself but you guys should love it.
Did I mentioned that rent is cheep? What if I told you that you can get a mortgage for under $500 bucks in a 1500 sq ft home and it an't in tha ghetto either? Just look on Craiglist (and don't look for prostitutes becuase the cops can check IP addresses, i mean if you are going to dispose of the ladies you just of just pick up the local ALT paper and used a pre paid phone to do your dirt but thats a diffent story).
Now this might sound all sunshine and lollipops but the bad about Buffalo is the lack of jobs. You entrepreneurs out there (if any are still left) can set up shop dirt cheep here however if you start making money good ole taxes and energy cost might get to you but you progressives heart taxes so it shouldn't bother you do give up 40% to 70% of your earnings. You guys hate the SUV but a good 4x4 will keep you moving in the harshest of Buffalo winters. Yes it snows but we also clean that stuff up asap.
At the end of the day this article is great to point out what states continue to be "pro business" because progressives have a hard time understanding the concept of "making money" and a Small Business or a Multinational Corporation is going to find the place to set up shop with the lowest operating cost (i.e. Texas or Oklahoma) instead of going to Michigan or Chicago (Illinois is just there to make the rest of Chicagoland look good).
Buffalo itself it not a bad spot, you can even buy a house for a buck (yes from the City) but that might be in tha ghetto however you hard core progressive wouldn't mind and the hood here an't like Chicago or Detroit (most houses are not as metal bar up). With the extra space you can grow a garden, make some art or do what you progressives do best: blog and knit things.
plus: I know none of you are tripping over yourselfs to move to Oklahoma anytime soon
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» "Cheep" is what birds do.
Posted by: sausage
» just the facts
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» RE: So, should I move to Buff?
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» what do you want a Handyman Special or just a flat out habitual home for cheep
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Apr 27, 2009 10:12 AM
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i will say though, that even in oklahoma (having lived there from 97-07) real estate was still overpriced - especially compared to incomes...
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» RE:OKLAHOMA WAS A DUMPING GROUND FOR NATIVE AMERICANS ORIGINALLY
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Posted by: okfalcon on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM
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But our developers-cum-politicians were truly busy over-building these last 6-8 years. Hardly any land is not covered with roof-to-roof identical houses (you know the kind) near any city. It's been brutal on the fields, forests, and wildlife that once made this place great to live in & love.
The politicians here are nearly nuts, though, or maybe just nuts. And the people who elected them, I guess the same. They're coping with our rising unemployment by arranging tax cuts for rich folks. They're coping with state short-falls by trying to get rid of grocery taxes. They're trying to get rid of the state department of education (and all standards of education). These, and many more insane radical right ideas are being voted in. If we get a republican governor in 2010, say a prayer for us.
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» WE ARE CURSED WITH THE SAME THING IN TEXAS
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Posted by: reg373 on Apr 27, 2009 11:34 AM
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» RE: IS THIS FAULTY LOGIC?
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Posted by: willymack on Apr 27, 2009 5:04 PM
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Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 27, 2009 8:30 PM
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I don't blame the journalists that nobody knows what the short-term future will bring. But I am amazed at how little that alters business-as-usual. Keep cranking out the BS whether the economy is up or down? Treading water is learned in Journalism 101?
In my California city, there's a war going on in the streets. That's nothing new. We have gotten so used to it that it's only now when the levels are new that we notice "the crisis"?
Because nothing was done about it when the economy was full of jobs, we are reduced now to praying to survive? Yes, the rot is growing, but it is rot that has been with us for a long, long time now. Funny how our politicians don't put together PR pieces to describe the rot for journalists. It's not that hard for journalists to locate. You can just follow your nose.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 27, 2009 11:30 PM
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Posted by: okcsteve on Apr 28, 2009 2:53 PM
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a.> All this greatness has been achieved by addition by subtraction....
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b.> These "patriots" are sucking dry other states by getting their companies to locate to their states, and doing so all the while chanting "USA USA" when they should be shanting "CSA CSA" (competing states of america...that is, competing to see who can supress their population the most so as to give big business the best deals and move wealth upwards!)
I live in Oklahoma City, and I see this very clearly .... if this is not addressed, '10 and beyond will be an absolute disaster. Count on it.
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» RE: TERRIBLE ARTICLE!!!!
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Posted by: m_doles on Apr 30, 2009 7:05 PM
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