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The Geithner-Summers Plan: Even Worse Than We Thought
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Two weeks ago, I posted an article showing how the Geithner-Summers banking plan could potentially and unnecessarily transfer hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth from taxpayers to banks. The same basic arithmetic was later described by Joseph Stiglitz in the New York Times (April 1) and by Peyton Young in the Financial Times (April 1). In fact, the situation is even potentially more disastrous than we wrote. Insiders can easily game the system created by Geithner and Summers to cost up to a trillion dollars or more to the taxpayers.
Here's how. Consider a toxic asset held by Citibank with a face value of $1 million, but with zero probability of any payout and therefore with a zero market value. An outside bidder would not pay anything for such an asset. All of the previous articles consider the case of true outside bidders.
Suppose, however, that Citibank itself sets up a Citibank Public-Private Investment Fund (CPPIF) under the Geithner-Summers plan. The CPPIF will bid the full face value of $1 million for the worthless asset, because it can borrow $850K from the FDIC, and get $75K from the Treasury, to make the purchase! Citibank will only have to put in $75K of the total.
Citibank thereby receives $1 million for the worthless asset, while the CPPIF ends up with an utterly worthless asset against $850K in debt to the FDIC. The CPPIF therefore quietly declares bankruptcy, while Citibank walks away with a cool $1 million. Citibank's net profit on the transaction is $925K (remember that the bank invested $75K in the CPPIF) and the taxpayers lose $925K. Since the total of toxic assets in the banking system exceeds $1 trillion, and perhaps reaches $2-3 trillion, the amount of potential rip-off in the Geithner-Summers plan is unconscionably large.
The earlier criticisms of the Geithner-Summers plan showed that even outside bidders generally have the incentive to bid far too much for the toxic assets, since they too get a free ride from the government loans. But once we acknowledge the insider-bidding route, the potential to game the plan at the cost of the taxpayers becomes extraordinary. And the gaming of the system doesn't have to be as crude as Citibank setting up its own CPPIF. There are lots of ways that it can do this indirectly, for example, buying assets of other banks which in turn buy Citi's assets. Or other stakeholders in Citi, such as groups of bondholders and shareholders, could do the same.
Several news stories suggest some grounding for these fears. Both Business Week and the Financial Times report that the banks themselves might be invited to bid for the toxic assets, which would seem to set up just the scam outline above. What is incredible is that lack of the most minimal transparency so far about the rules, risks, and procedures of this trillion-dollar plan. Also incredible is the apparent lack of any oversight by Congress, reinforcing the sense that the fix is in or that at best we are all sitting ducks.
The sad part of all this is that there are now several much better ideas circulating among experts, but none of these seems to get the time of day from the Treasury. The best ideas are forms of corporate reorganization, in which a bank weighed down with toxic assets is divided into two banks -- a "good bank" and a "bad bank" -- with the bad bank left holding the toxic assets and the long-term debts, while owning the equity of the good bank. If the bad assets pay off better than is now feared, the bondholders get repaid and the current bank shares keep their value. If the bad assets in fact default heavily as is now expected, the bondholders and shareholders lose their investments. The key point of the good bank -- bad bank plans is an orderly process to restore healthy banking functions (in the good bank) while divvying up the losses in a fair way among the banks' existing claimants. The taxpayer is not needed for that, except to cover the insured part of the banks' existing liabilities, specifically the banks' deposits and perhaps other short-term liabilities that are key to financial market liquidity.
Cynics believe that the Geithner-Summers Plan is exactly what it seems: a naked grab of taxpayer money for Wall Street interests. Geithner and Summers argue that it's the least bad approach to a messy situation, in which we need to restore banking functions but don't have any perfect ways to do that. If they are serious about their justification, let them come forward to confront their critics and to explain to the American people why the other proposals are not being pursued.
Let them explain the hidden and not-so-hidden risks to the American taxpayer of the plan that they have put forward. Let them explain why they are so intent on saving the banks' bondholders, even the long-term unsecured creditors who clearly knew they were taking market risks in buying Citibank bonds. Let them work with their critics to fashion a less risky and less costly plan. So far Geithner and Summers tell us that their plan is the only option, but without a word of further explanation as to why.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 8, 2009 12:06 AM
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Geithner and Summers are exposed to be what they are, bag men for the Wall Street Crowd.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 8, 2009 2:50 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 8, 2009 3:11 AM
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Their plan is certainly a banker's dream. I agree it will be a massive disaster for the nation, the world, and the Democratic Party. :(
But I rather suspect the Obama team honest-to-God believe they are doing the right thing to save the old, broken system. Like most Democratic politicians today, they are way the hell to the right of the American people.
It just seems implausible that Obama would run for President on a platform of change and then openly start looting the country the minute he got in office, fooling every economist, historian, journalist, sociologist, and political scientist in the world.
That sounds more like a bad comic book than reality. It is in fact a conspiracy meme.
(Conspiracy theorists are forever telling us there's a blatant takeover going on...but that only they can see it. This is why we love them.)
I'm guessing Obama's belief in discredited economic theories is sincere. Let's not forget, he hails from the University of Chicago--a great university, but one with a certifiably insane Economics Department.
I realize my speculations on Obama's thinking help us not a whit, and that the horrible irony remains--the Democrats are going to deal our nation the final blow. But I agree with Liberal Rapture, who says Obama is trying to be the Gorbachov of our failed system.
If you factor in Republican election fraud and theft, we will almost certainly have a Republican in the White House in 2012, assuming we still have a civil government. Serves the progs right for smearing Hillary.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Apr 8, 2009 3:21 AM
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"Geithner and Summers are proposing to use government loans to finance investors to buy toxic assets. This is fine."
That's quite a statement.
Rockefeller and Kissinger cronies Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, etc, created this global meltdown by nixing the Glass Steagall Act and creating the "Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000" opening the doors for kleptocrats to gut America blind through derivatives gambling. Why are more sweetheart "government loans" as de facto kickbacks to BushCo and Obama Wall Street charlatans just "fine" by Jeffrey Sacks?
http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=node/10838
Sacks seem to assume we exist under "free market democracy" gone south for a quick, bad winter. This is a grotesque caricature of truth. A subprime fiasco is the tip of a meltdown where derivatives debt stands at over $1,100 TRILLION dollars (Bank of International Settlements). That is more than 10 times an entire global asset base and GDP.
$1,100 TRILLION dollar plus toxic bubbles don’t just happen. A bubble this big was fully promoted by Alan Greenspan at the private Ponzi trap "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) with Ben Bernanke. Greenspan has gone on record promoting derivatives. The bubble was pumped and dumped with the full aid and comfort of an entire Washington-MSM establishment.
Does this smack of "democracy" or what it looks like: Fascism)?
Toxic "assets" are not "assets" at all. They are worse than worthless evidence of massive monopoly Wall Street profit rigging. To bailout meltdown Wall Street felons through their cronies on the public nickel is not "fine" but insanity.
The idea of a "good bank" and "bad bank" is bad theater over a criminal toxic dump site. We know the "assets" are worthless. That's the reason the banksters are in panic as they continue to extort the American public. (They already virtually own Washington, Obama and his Wall Street shark cabinet).
Toxic "assets" should be written off. Period. The "Federal Reserve" Corp should be abolished. Period. The big 5 banks behind the criminal meltdown should be put into receivership by "The Prompt Corrective Action Law" now on the books. The reason for subprime infection should be nixed by direct aid to homeowners. "To Big To Fail" money power should be killed with all hooks into a Washington-MSM circus.
Permanently.
“Well, first of all, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency, and that means, basically, that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take.”
Alan Greenspan (former "Fed" Chairman PBS 9/2/07)
“What we have found over the years in the marketplace is that derivatives have been an extraordinarily useful vehicle to transfer risk from those who shouldn’t be taking it to those who are willing to and are capable of doing so…We think it would be a mistake to more deeply regulate.”
Alan Greenspan (“Fed” chairman, Senate Banking Committee 2003)
"In 1913, the money power of the country was taken away from the people. By constitutional privilege it belongs with the Congress, but it was given up in the Federal Reserve Act. The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. But yet it has the power to determine the direction and use of money in our economy. If we could take that power back and put the Federal Reserve under Treasury, we start to be in a position of being able to control monetary policy on behalf of the United States people."
Congressman Dennis Kucinich (at Congress January 9th, 2009)
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Posted by: whoopingcrone on Apr 8, 2009 4:27 AM
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Short story at www.aaronsw.com/weblog/russiascam.htm
Longer version at www.archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/2006w06/msg00188
In the end it may not cost us taxpayers all that much, though.
One of his current cohorts, Nancy Zimmerman, has already re-paid the U.S. govt $1.5 million for her part in the swindle.
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458505/posts.htm
Sorry I couldn't get the links to work.
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let them all drown... no more $$ ever...
hey Jennifer, agree with the credit union thing... have never banked with a bank, always a cu... never got stiffed, never had a problem that couldn't be easily fixed... enjoy ownership in YOUR financial institution!!!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Apr 8, 2009 7:45 AM
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Why is it that they've got the wolf guarding the henhouse - even as they see the blood & feathers all around it's mouth!!!! Time to get the pitchforks!!!
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Posted by: rastaman on Apr 8, 2009 8:03 AM
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this psychopath, like all psychopaths, are hell bent on destruction and decay and they don't care who they hurt in the process of submitting to their insurmountable greed.
the fact that this tapeworm takes time to criticize the same cabal members (for he would be neck deep in the same corruption if he could be) is more of a statement of sour grapes that he isn't being included than it is about fixing the economy or doing what's correct.
this traitor's allegiance isn't to democracy or even to this country, but rather to furthering his zionist agenda, greed and making points for himself.
ALL of these treasonous idiot's heads should roll down the capitol hill steps.
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"Among the firms that paid Summers large amounts in speaking fees include J.P. Morgan Chase. That bank offered the former Harvard president and Treasury Secretary $67,500 for a February 1, 2008 engagement.
It has received $25 billion in government bailout funds.
Citigroup, which has received $50 billion in taxpayer help, paid Summers $45,000 for a speech in March 2008 and another $54,000 for a speech that May.
Goldman Sachs, which has received $10 million in bailout funds, paid Summers $135,000 for a speech on April 16, 2008 and another $67,500 for a speech on June 18, 2008.
Summers also received about $5.2 million over the past year in salary from the major hedge fund D.E. Shaw."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/03
/summers-received-hundreds_n_183058.html
summers is being paid off, bribed.
it's a way for organizations with a lot of power and money to funnel cash to individuals with a lot of influence in government.
a serious reassessment of obama should be in the minds of all who voted for him.
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Posted by: Aquinas on Apr 8, 2009 2:31 PM
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How dumb are we supposed to be anyway? I guess we're still in the process finding out.
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Read the full article:
http://www.asalbuchi.com.ar/2009/01/the-problem-with-obama/
AND, view this economic video explanation to us, the U.S.:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/596.html
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 9, 2009 6:02 PM
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So, when's the revolution kicking up?
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 8, 2009 12:06 AM
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Geithner and Summers are exposed to be what they are, bag men for the Wall Street Crowd.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 8, 2009 3:11 AM
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Their plan is certainly a banker's dream. I agree it will be a massive disaster for the nation, the world, and the Democratic Party. :(
But I rather suspect the Obama team honest-to-God believe they are doing the right thing to save the old, broken system. Like most Democratic politicians today, they are way the hell to the right of the American people.
It just seems implausible that Obama would run for President on a platform of change and then openly start looting the country the minute he got in office, fooling every economist, historian, journalist, sociologist, and political scientist in the world.
That sounds more like a bad comic book than reality. It is in fact a conspiracy meme.
(Conspiracy theorists are forever telling us there's a blatant takeover going on...but that only they can see it. This is why we love them.)
I'm guessing Obama's belief in discredited economic theories is sincere. Let's not forget, he hails from the University of Chicago--a great university, but one with a certifiably insane Economics Department.
I realize my speculations on Obama's thinking help us not a whit, and that the horrible irony remains--the Democrats are going to deal our nation the final blow. But I agree with Liberal Rapture, who says Obama is trying to be the Gorbachov of our failed system.
If you factor in Republican election fraud and theft, we will almost certainly have a Republican in the White House in 2012, assuming we still have a civil government. Serves the progs right for smearing Hillary.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Apr 8, 2009 3:21 AM
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"Geithner and Summers are proposing to use government loans to finance investors to buy toxic assets. This is fine."
That's quite a statement.
Rockefeller and Kissinger cronies Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, etc, created this global meltdown by nixing the Glass Steagall Act and creating the "Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000" opening the doors for kleptocrats to gut America blind through derivatives gambling. Why are more sweetheart "government loans" as de facto kickbacks to BushCo and Obama Wall Street charlatans just "fine" by Jeffrey Sacks?
http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=node/10838
Sacks seem to assume we exist under "free market democracy" gone south for a quick, bad winter. This is a grotesque caricature of truth. A subprime fiasco is the tip of a meltdown where derivatives debt stands at over $1,100 TRILLION dollars (Bank of International Settlements). That is more than 10 times an entire global asset base and GDP.
$1,100 TRILLION dollar plus toxic bubbles don’t just happen. A bubble this big was fully promoted by Alan Greenspan at the private Ponzi trap "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) with Ben Bernanke. Greenspan has gone on record promoting derivatives. The bubble was pumped and dumped with the full aid and comfort of an entire Washington-MSM establishment.
Does this smack of "democracy" or what it looks like: Fascism)?
Toxic "assets" are not "assets" at all. They are worse than worthless evidence of massive monopoly Wall Street profit rigging. To bailout meltdown Wall Street felons through their cronies on the public nickel is not "fine" but insanity.
The idea of a "good bank" and "bad bank" is bad theater over a criminal toxic dump site. We know the "assets" are worthless. That's the reason the banksters are in panic as they continue to extort the American public. (They already virtually own Washington, Obama and his Wall Street shark cabinet).
Toxic "assets" should be written off. Period. The "Federal Reserve" Corp should be abolished. Period. The big 5 banks behind the criminal meltdown should be put into receivership by "The Prompt Corrective Action Law" now on the books. The reason for subprime infection should be nixed by direct aid to homeowners. "To Big To Fail" money power should be killed with all hooks into a Washington-MSM circus.
Permanently.
“Well, first of all, the Federal Reserve is an independent agency, and that means, basically, that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take.”
Alan Greenspan (former "Fed" Chairman PBS 9/2/07)
“What we have found over the years in the marketplace is that derivatives have been an extraordinarily useful vehicle to transfer risk from those who shouldn’t be taking it to those who are willing to and are capable of doing so…We think it would be a mistake to more deeply regulate.”
Alan Greenspan (“Fed” chairman, Senate Banking Committee 2003)
"In 1913, the money power of the country was taken away from the people. By constitutional privilege it belongs with the Congress, but it was given up in the Federal Reserve Act. The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. But yet it has the power to determine the direction and use of money in our economy. If we could take that power back and put the Federal Reserve under Treasury, we start to be in a position of being able to control monetary policy on behalf of the United States people."
Congressman Dennis Kucinich (at Congress January 9th, 2009)
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Posted by: whoopingcrone on Apr 8, 2009 4:27 AM
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Short story at www.aaronsw.com/weblog/russiascam.htm
Longer version at www.archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/pen-l/2006w06/msg00188
In the end it may not cost us taxpayers all that much, though.
One of his current cohorts, Nancy Zimmerman, has already re-paid the U.S. govt $1.5 million for her part in the swindle.
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458505/posts.htm
Sorry I couldn't get the links to work.
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Posted by: ellie on Apr 8, 2009 6:26 AM
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let them all drown... no more $$ ever...
hey Jennifer, agree with the credit union thing... have never banked with a bank, always a cu... never got stiffed, never had a problem that couldn't be easily fixed... enjoy ownership in YOUR financial institution!!!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Apr 8, 2009 7:45 AM
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Why is it that they've got the wolf guarding the henhouse - even as they see the blood & feathers all around it's mouth!!!! Time to get the pitchforks!!!
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Posted by: rastaman on Apr 8, 2009 8:03 AM
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this psychopath, like all psychopaths, are hell bent on destruction and decay and they don't care who they hurt in the process of submitting to their insurmountable greed.
the fact that this tapeworm takes time to criticize the same cabal members (for he would be neck deep in the same corruption if he could be) is more of a statement of sour grapes that he isn't being included than it is about fixing the economy or doing what's correct.
this traitor's allegiance isn't to democracy or even to this country, but rather to furthering his zionist agenda, greed and making points for himself.
ALL of these treasonous idiot's heads should roll down the capitol hill steps.
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Posted by: masthead on Apr 8, 2009 8:47 AM
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"Among the firms that paid Summers large amounts in speaking fees include J.P. Morgan Chase. That bank offered the former Harvard president and Treasury Secretary $67,500 for a February 1, 2008 engagement.
It has received $25 billion in government bailout funds.
Citigroup, which has received $50 billion in taxpayer help, paid Summers $45,000 for a speech in March 2008 and another $54,000 for a speech that May.
Goldman Sachs, which has received $10 million in bailout funds, paid Summers $135,000 for a speech on April 16, 2008 and another $67,500 for a speech on June 18, 2008.
Summers also received about $5.2 million over the past year in salary from the major hedge fund D.E. Shaw."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/03
/summers-received-hundreds_n_183058.html
summers is being paid off, bribed.
it's a way for organizations with a lot of power and money to funnel cash to individuals with a lot of influence in government.
a serious reassessment of obama should be in the minds of all who voted for him.
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Posted by: Aquinas
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Posted by: Aquinas on Apr 8, 2009 2:31 PM
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How dumb are we supposed to be anyway? I guess we're still in the process finding out.
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Apr 8, 2009 7:55 PM
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Posted by: TarryFaster on Apr 9, 2009 5:08 PM
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Read the full article:
http://www.asalbuchi.com.ar/2009/01/the-problem-with-obama/
AND, view this economic video explanation to us, the U.S.:
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/596.html
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Posted by: DaBear on Apr 9, 2009 6:02 PM
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So, when's the revolution kicking up?
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Posted by: Don't Panic on Apr 9, 2009 8:07 PM
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Posted by: grkjr on Apr 10, 2009 9:53 AM
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