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Who Should Resist, and Who Will Become Serfs?
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America is devolving into a third-world nation. And if we do not immediately halt our elite's rapacious looting of the public treasury we will be left with trillions in debts, which can never be repaid, and widespread human misery which we will be helpless to ameliorate. Our anemic democracy will be replaced with a robust national police state. The elite will withdraw into heavily guarded gated communities where they will have access to security, goods and services that cannot be afforded by the rest of us. Tens of millions of people, brutally controlled, will live in perpetual poverty. This is the inevitable result of unchecked corporate capitalism. The stimulus and bailout plans are not about saving us. They are about saving them. We can resist, which means street protests, disruptions of the system and demonstrations, or become serfs.
We have been in a steady economic decline for decades. The Canadian political philosopher John Ralston Saul detailed this decline in his 1992 book "Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West." David Cay Johnston exposed the mirage and rot of American capitalism in "Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (and Stick You With the Bill)," and David C. Korten, in "When Corporations Rule the World" and "Agenda for a New Economy," laid out corporate malfeasance and abuse. But our universities and mass media, entranced by power and naively believing that global capitalism was an unstoppable force of nature, rarely asked the right questions or gave a prominent voice to those who did. Our elites hid their incompetence and loss of control behind an arrogant facade of specialized jargon and obscure economic theories.
The lies employed to camouflage the economic decline are legion. President Ronald Reagan included 1.5 million U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine service personnel with the civilian work force to magically reduce the nation's unemployment rate by 2 percent. President Bill Clinton decided that those who had given up looking for work, or those who wanted full-time jobs but could only find part-time employment, were no longer to be counted as unemployed. This trick disappeared some 5 million unemployed from the official unemployment rolls. If you work more than 21 hours a week -- most low-wage workers at places like Wal-Mart average 28 hours a week -- you are counted as employed, although your real wages put you below the poverty line. Our actual unemployment rate, when you include those who have stopped looking for work and those who can only find part-time jobs, is not 8.5 percent but 15 percent. A sixth of the country is now effectively unemployed. And we are shedding jobs at a faster rate than in the months after the 1929 crash.
The consumer price index, used by the government to measure inflation, is meaningless. To keep the official inflation figures low the government has been substituting basic products it once measured to check for inflation with ones that do not rise very much in price. This sleight of hand has kept the cost-of-living increases tied to the CPI artificially low. The New York Times' consumer reporter, W.P. Dunleavy, wrote that her groceries now cost $587 a month, up from $400 a year earlier. This is a 40 percent increase. California economist John Williams, who runs an organization called Shadow Statistics, contends that if Washington still used the CPI measurements applied back in the 1970s, inflation would be 10 percent.
The corporate state, and the political and intellectual class that served the corporate state, constructed a financial and political system based on illusions. Corporations engaged in pyramid lending that created fictitious assets. These fictitious assets became collateral for more bank lending. The elite skimmed off hundreds of millions in bonuses, commissions and salaries from this fictitious wealth. Politicians, who dutifully served corporate interests rather than those of citizens, were showered with campaign contributions and given lucrative jobs when they left office. Universities, knowing it was not good business to challenge corporatism, muted any voices of conscience while they went begging for corporate donations and grants. Deceptive loans and credit card debt fueled the binges of a consumer society and hid falling wages and the loss of manufacturing jobs.
The Obama administration, rather than chart a new course, is intent on re-inflating the bubble. The trillions of dollars of government funds being spent to sustain these corrupt corporations could have renovated our economy. We could have saved tens of millions of Americans from poverty. The government could have, as consumer activist Ralph Nader has pointed out, started 10 new banks with $35 billion each and a 10-to-1 leverage to open credit markets. Vast, unimaginable sums are being placed into these dirty corporate hands without oversight. And they will use this money as they always have -- to enrich themselves at our expense.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 7, 2009 12:48 AM
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.... a real social democracy where people are supported with free health care, a living wage, free education and lifetime unemployment benefits.
or
... a third world police state where corporations and the filthy rich receive government handouts while the population is controlled by threat of force, living in dire poverty or the fear of it ...
Obama's course is the latter choice, bailing out Wall Street Bankers and Bond holders while the middle class, the working poor, the poor and the destitute get program cuts ...
The answer .... Banking as a public utility whereby the people benefit from the creation of currency and credit. Without the power to create our own credit and currency we are always at the mercy of the bankers who do ... and who have before, through fraud, greed and incompetence brought us to this desperate place we now find ourselves in.
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» RE: Hedges Nails It ...
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» RE: Hedges Nails It ...
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» RE: Hedges Nails It ...Support your local unions in the days to come
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 7, 2009 1:13 AM
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It challenges my general expectation, a la John Michael Greer, that in the collapse of modern societies due to ecological constraints and gross economic mismanagement a fascist stage would precede feudalism.
But I guess we could have both for a while, like a third world fascism instead of the fancy first world kind that we saw in Italy and Germany.
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» RE: I particularly liked this quote from Ralph Nader.
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» RE: I particularly liked this quote from Ralph Nader.
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» Corporate capitalism IS fascism
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» In that case you have to create a typology of fascisms in order to differentiate them.
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» RE: It's not fascism at all
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» RE: It's not fascism at all// Then I guess capitalism trumped Hitler's Germany since
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» Marx Made Note Of This In The Communist Manifesto
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» And this is exactly the problem with the NEW WAY FORWARD
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» YES it is FASCISM by pedigree & definition
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» Yes I know this, so please drop the lecturing attitude.
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» RE: Yes I know this, so please drop the lecturing attitude.
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» RE: Yes I know this, so please drop the lecturing attitude.
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» RE: Yes I know this, so please drop the lecturing attitude.
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» Fascism would serve these corporations
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» American fascism is 'Vichy' squared
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Posted by: heid on Apr 7, 2009 2:19 AM
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The people must take power back into their own hands. The only way to do it is to do it. Start a new monetary system - based on labor. Take over all facilities of all corporations. Take back the ill-gotten profits and property of those who have gamed the system.
Start a new system.
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» RE: Cancel the banks, the car companies...
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 7, 2009 2:31 AM
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Excuse me, but isn't this what just happened? You mean, it's all going to happen AGAIN?
Curse the Democrats for flipping the nomination to the wrong guy.
Xe
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» Hilary would have been no different (NT)
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Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Apr 7, 2009 3:29 AM
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» Dumbed down on purpose
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» I agree - kind of
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» Agreed
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» One thing Chomsky did get right, "Manufacturing Consent"
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» RE: The ignoramuses in this country brought this on themselves
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» RE: The ignoramuses in this country brought this on themselves
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» RE: The ignoramuses in this country brought this on themselves
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 7, 2009 3:33 AM
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Either WE persuade this administration to abrubtly and dramatically change course and embrace some of the very disciplines discussed in the above posts or
WE live in a state of "pitful, incomprehensible demoralization" ?
WE know us, the latter is Not an option.
This is the part in my little insignificant screenplay where I back away from the keyboard and just show up at Jeff Zucker's office or Gillbrand's, or Clinton's.....
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» Conservatives with guns will fight this war for us.
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Posted by: Bluecat464 on Apr 7, 2009 4:54 AM
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Mass demonstrations are no deterrance to them, they know how to deal with that; we need to get off our backsides and start to take real, concerted action that directly confronts and destabilises these criminals who have carried out the biggest heist in history.
I remember in my younger days reading a book by Saul Alinsky, and one of his gems was that you never do what is expected of you, and you do what is familiar to those who are your allies, and you do what is outside the experience of those you oppose. Another gem - perhaps it was someone else - is that laughter is one of the greatest weapons - surely we can find ways to effectively overturn this economic system that is threatening so much misery worldwide.
LETS GET PRACTICAL PEOPLE - THE TIME FOR TYPING IS OVER.
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» unfortunately, it has gone too far for that
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» RE: unfortunately, it has gone too far for that
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» I hear ya, Bluecat!
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» RE: When do we resist?
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» RE: We can start with...
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» RE: We can start with...//Utopian Adam Smith fantasy
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» Mixed economies have never worked historically
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» At the points of production in a General Strike
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» Prolonged General Strike and passive resistance
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» No violence, self defence yes
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Apr 7, 2009 5:16 AM
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Yes you, the ones whom blindly follow this administration like lemons
The Resistant = any Constitution loving patriot
Yes us and your moonbat friends whom havent broking there ankles jumping from the Obama bandwagon. I'm not talking about party you bang with. You could of voted for Paul or Dennis, you could of always pull for Nader or Pat however either if you want more cowbells for world peace and the end of NAFTA and push a Veggy VW (becuse Toyotas are for posers) or you are a free trader, little regulations, Wall Street to Maine Street cowboy whom drives a bad ass SUV...
...the Starts and stripes are under attack by the people you would think would protect it the most. Stop thinking and start doing SOMETHING!
Its the time for some strange bedfellows
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» I could "of" voted for any number of impossible candidates or antichoice zealots, but I'm a LEMON
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» RE: I could "of" voted for any number of impossible candidates or antichoice zealots, but I'm a LEMON
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» RE: I could "of" voted for any number of impossible candidates or antichoice zealots, but I'm a LEMON
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» RE: I could "of" voted for any number of impossible candidates or antichoice zealots, but I'm a LEMON
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» RE: I could "of" voted for any number of impossible candidates or antichoice zealots, but I'm a LEMON
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» Protect Life
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» RE: This was easy Serfs = The Obama-Bots
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» Correction: Serfs = The Obama-Bots + Limbaugh dittoheads
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» Correction: Serfs = The Obama-Bots + (Limbaugh dittoheads) Limbaugh Dittoheads
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» And I thought I was a doofus for voting for Nader.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Apr 7, 2009 5:38 AM
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His conclusions are speculative, but any projection of the future must be speculative.
Our democracy is merely going through the motions now. We hold elections, but the corruption of our politicians is universal. No-one can stand for election without money; and the money tree is a corporate tree.
Corporations have consolidated their grip both on government and media and brought us reverse socialism, requiring ordinary people to directly support the lifestyles of the uber-rich. It carries with it echoes of fuedalism, where nobles are above the laws which apply to common people, and they can draw on the commoner's resources to bolster their personal wealth at will.
As they have suborned mainstream media, you have to look pretty hard to find voices speaking out against it. Nader gets no air time. Moyers is a lonely voice. The opposition finds expression only on a fractured internet - but the news aggregators which dominate the internet (Google, Yahoo, etc.) are only carrying the messages generated by mainstream media. The opposition exists on the margins where many Americans never even hear their voices. But they won't stop there.
Expect police crackdowns on assembly, new restrictions on free speech, and imprisonment for dissidents. Without those controls, they will never feel comfortable that they have gotten away with the theft of our democracy.
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» RE: Concur. You forgot the Net
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» RE: Concur.
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» RE: Concur.
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» RE: Concur.// So why not expand bourgeois democracy and support equality of condition
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Posted by: NYmediator on Apr 7, 2009 5:46 AM
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Consequently, the left needs to also stop labeling potential libertarian allies as 'wingnuts.'
Why don't people realize that this is the tried and true 'divide and conquer' method at work? We keep screaming at each other while our childrens birthright is being sold down the river.
What is happening is not a Democrat-Republican fight - both parties serve the same masters.
You can argue liberal-conservative until the cows come home but in the end, don't both sides want their children to live in a land of freedom?
It's never been about those labels - it's always been the elite among world capitalists vs. the rest of us. It's always been about CLASS, and always will be.
And do not be dissuaded when the people assigned as controllers lob the term 'class warfare.' Class warfare has been a constant since the dawn of humankind - when the first group of cave dwellers seized the best grazing land from another group of cave dwellers.
To turn a theory from the movie 'Bulworth' - wealthy 'Democrats' have always had far more in common with wealthy 'Republicans' than with working class 'Democrats.' And vice versa.
It's time to admit it. Even Warren Buffett, not too long ago, made it plain - he said there is indeed a class war going on and that 'my side is winning it,' or something of that nature.
The wage slave working next to you, struggling to provide for their family against growing odds, is your ally - regardless of what are really superficial differences about ideology. Whatever you feel about abortion or any other social issue, it will not, ultimately, put food on your table or a roof over your head.
Heaven or hell is for the next life - we live here now. We may never be able to throw off the yoke that religious dogma has on people - religion has been the greatest enforcer of the ruling class in human history - but we should try to get people to see regardless of what deity you worship, it's all about our common human rights.
It's not socialism, it's not communism - it's protecting the humanity of all of us against a system and an elite that views us in the same way we regard ants on the pavement.
Why is this so hard to get?
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» hey I gotta have some fun
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» RE: Stop the invective if you want 'strange bedfellows'
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» You said it!!
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» Very well said
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Posted by: peppylapew on Apr 7, 2009 5:51 AM
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I have begun to fear that we are, collectively, raging against the dying of the light. We --- secular, middle-class American individualists --- are surfing a long-wave reaction to the Enlightenment that must end, if only briefly, in some form of neo-feudalism. Rather than trying to shoot the curl, maybe the best we can do individually is to cutback and watch the inevitable wipe-out from well offshore.
[Aside: as a former grammar cop at the Morning News, Chris, I can't resist this nostalgic indulgence: not "who we naively dismiss as buffoons," but "whom." Thanks, I needed that.]
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» RE: The Idea that We're Not Powerless
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» Then again, there are those who believe
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» RE: Then again, there are those who believe
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» I never thought I'd be so grateful NOT to have children.
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» RE: I never thought I'd be so grateful NOT to have children.
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Posted by: ExposeTheIsraelLobby on Apr 7, 2009 5:54 AM
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Chris Hedges gave a great speech in Princeton in which he embraced Walt and Mearsheimer by name and then added this:
Middle Eastern policy is shaped in the United States by those with very close ties to the Israel lobby. Those who attempt to counter the virulent Israeli position, such as former Secretary of State Colin Powell, are ruthlessly slapped down. This alliance was true also during the Clinton administration, with its array of Israeli-first Middle East experts, including special Middle East coordinator Dennis Ross and Martin Indyk, the former deputy director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, one of the most powerful Israel lobbying groups in Washington. But at least people like Indyk and Ross are sane, willing to consider a Palestinian state, however unviable, as long as it is palatable to Israel. The Bush administration turned to the far-right wing of the Israel lobby, those who have not a shred of compassion for the Palestinians or a word of criticism for Israel. These new Middle East experts include Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, the disgraced I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and David Wurmser. Washington was once willing to stay Israel's hand. It intervened to thwart some of its most extreme violations of human rights.
The significance of this speech is that much of the left has been wary of realists Walt and Mearsheimer. The Nation, for instance, trashed them and shows an inability to absorb their ideas. Hedges is a guy I see at Nation functions, and a true moralist. He understands that The Israel Lobby is at heart a moral work. It is just a matter of time before the denunciation of the neocons for their Israel agenda is taken up inside the Jewish house...
MP3 Audio: Philip Weiss on the Neocons War for Israel agenda:
"In terms of their politics, they were almost all Democrats and then as soon as the Democratic party suggested that it wasn't going to have a strong military, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol, the grandfathers of this movement, they went Republican. Why? Because they said, back in the 70's, a strong American military is needed to protect Israel."
Download an mp3 of Phil saying the above here (9:45 minutes in)
Antiwar.com/Radio - 07/12/2008
Watch the BBC documentary "The War Party", part 1 of 5
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» Biden's reply to "Isreal stop Iran" "Not going to happen" he said, then added "Ill-advised"
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Posted by: robertmc on Apr 7, 2009 6:16 AM
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What the Obusha administration seems to not understand is that we are NOT going back to the way things were. Most Americans are tapped out- the spending spree is over and we have started saving everything we can. The paradox of thrift seems to have eluded the thinking of this administration. Who cares if the banksters start lending? We don't want to borrow anymore.
Growth is optional. Sustainability is necessary.
Thank you Alternet for being one of the few progressive voices that understands the scam foisted upon us. I've never felt more betrayed in my life. Obama has truly punk'd us.
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» RE: Thank you Alternet
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 7, 2009 7:01 AM
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Laugh at the over zealous Right, but you guys are just as blind. You missed the advantages the Oil industry recognized when converting to Corn based Biofuels....Direct adverse effect on Food Production and cost. So the 'lefts' efforts only helped prove the Oil corps mantra that Oil is the best & cheapest energy source. Had you stopped for a moment to extinguish your hair- you would have realized using Corn would result in more famine around the world and skyrocketing food prices here at home..DUH!Worse Yet you are doing it again with alternative renewables...You have yet to recognize regardless of the Energy source, if the corps own and control it we are still screwed and beholden to them for access.
You've even Screwed US over on Social reforms-instead of just accepting the Legal aspects of 'Unions', You had to push for the Term 'Marriage'. Who gives a fuck what you call it as long as the legal rights are the same. So your demand for 'marriage' opened the door for 'One man, One Woman' Legislation. Instead of focusing on Unions as a legal status and 'Marriage' being something ordained by ones Religious faith, you pushed so hard now there's Laws to overcome (overturn).
Haven't you all figured out you are being played too? when they can get your panties in a twist- create knee jerk reactions from the left, it only helps fire up the Right?
Don't get me wrong, your view about Corp Takeover is absolutely correct- but you're about 30 yrs too late. You should have been screaming about this when the Feudalistic Caste system was reinstituted under the blatant name 'Trickle Down'. anyone with a History book, or even a dictionary recognized that economic stratedgy. We're now 30 yrs in to this clusterfuck. there is no way to wave a magic wand and undo this well entrenched Web of Corp Powers.Our entire system is infected and affected- so it will require some finesse to unweave this economic treason.Have you Ever Played Jinga- same stratedgy of patience and forethought must be utilized, otherwise the entire 'tower' will collapse.Guess who's $1 lies beneath those $40 toxic assets- Our retirment funds. The Rating agencies granted these risky products a 'safe' rating, opening up our 'secure' investment accts.Worse yet that also lured in State & Local investments- are you willing to give up your Police & Fire Depts?
As a MI'er, I know exactly why Wagnor got the Ax and Wall Streeters haven't. Wagnor thought all he had to do was sacrific the Union and the funds would be given- it's worked plenty of times before. he didn't realize His ass was on the line. Wall Streeters don't have those convenient sacrifical lambs (or Scapegoats)- cutting their rank and fill will not save them from the Noose. They are personally motivated to find any means possible to rectify this situation before we Storm the Gates.And No one recognizes that personal threat more than Geitner.Summers might figure he'll die before he's convicted on Economic Treason- Geitner may not be as confident.I'm pretty sure,Gietner feels the singe of the torches on the back of his neck.Theres plenty of Wall Streeters who know, no President, no Court, no Borders or even a tall fortress wall will be able to hold back the masses from literally hunting them down.
Perhaps it's time the Far left sit down and Shut up too, and give the rest of US time to carefully and thoughtfully sort through the mayhem you and the far right have created!Everything Is NOT Black & White- Lets allow the moderation of Grey take the reins.
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» RE: Okay Screaming Me Me's- You're Still lost in the Frenzy
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» RE: Okay Screaming Me Me's- You're Still lost in the Frenzy
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» The system is designed against 3rd parties
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» How dare you smear Nader like that !! Now, you're an Obamabot, eh?
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» Thanks, purple girl. When Nader really cares about HELPING, he'll run for something other than. . .
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» Nader did help all these years and yet you persecuted him !
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» Bigotry
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» Hey Purple Sweetie. There's corruption out here in MI so stop blaming Nader !
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Posted by: maxloen on Apr 7, 2009 7:03 AM
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It's not easy to read -the second book, Burning Chrome, elucidates the first one- but that it's the good part in an excellent work in Sci-Fi (not so "Fi" as we can see these days) literature.
Fortunately, as things are yet, the Masters of the Universe won't be able to scape to their Space Stations with their loot, although they are still very much up to it, with a little help from the Russian 'Space Tourist' program.
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» RE: Neuromancer
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» RE: Neuromancer
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Posted by: mnstra on Apr 7, 2009 7:14 AM
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The only way , I think for us to make a statement and protest is to have a run on the banks now. Put money into credit unions.
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Posted by: badkitty68 on Apr 7, 2009 7:23 AM
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But people are so fear based now, whipped into a state of perpetual fear and paranoia by the MSM, that I predict most will be too terrified of losing their jobs. Ironically, if enough people do it, firings would be pointless, since they'd have to fire everyone and there would be no one left to replace them.
It will take the kind of guts our ancestors had - but I don't think Americans have that stuff anymore. We're too comfy, too entertained, and most of us are still too well-fed.
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» Actually, I know longer think we stay home out of fear. We won't help because we hate too much.
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» Beck
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Apr 7, 2009 7:25 AM
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» RE: The damage is already done !
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» RE: The damage is already done !
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» We did.
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» You're missing the point.
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» You can't put a party of people as openly furious and hatefilled as you in charge of us,
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Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu on Apr 7, 2009 8:00 AM
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» RE: Crooks, suckers and lazy cowards. Does that describe YOU?
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» Not Dachau yet; not quite yet.
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Posted by: Lurker on Apr 7, 2009 8:18 AM
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We do indeed have a cargo cult democracy now. At regular intervals we check boxes, flip levers or poke buttons to choose among preselected candidates and so give an illusion of choosing our government, but policy making has long since been outsourced to privately funded and directed think tanks and corporate interest groups. Elections are just semblances of rational choice in a political landscape ruled by invisible magicians according to rules and principles that never see the public light of day.
Before anything changes people have to understand that despite what they're told they have no share in civic power. If they don't like that, they have to start taking their duty as citizens seriously. They have to learn to inform themselves about issues, candidates, the uses and structure of power, and do it every day. Democracy is much, much more than just donating to a party and hooting for/against branded candidates once every four or two years.
Most of all, shut off the god damned TV. Stone the American Idol. Boycott professional sports. In the old days the Romans used bread & circuses to keep the yokels pacified, today its beer & B-ball. The flip side of e plurubus unuum is divide and conquer, which is what trivial pursuits and diversions do.
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Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Apr 7, 2009 9:48 AM
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In 1971 before he took a seat on the Supreme Court, Justice Lewis Powell wrote a memo to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce saying that Ralph Nader WAS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO BUSINESS & THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM & THAT THEY MUST TAKE ACTION TO TURN IT AROUND.... (Sept./Oct. 2008 Columbia Journalism Review) To me it sounds like he meant UNFETTERED CAPITALISM! As you can see we now have the results of these policies!
Ralph Nader is ONE of the MOST DECENT HUMAN BEINGS THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD in OUR TIME! I know there are many others, but how many of them ran for President? If he would have won, we wouldn't be giving trillions of dollars to Wall St. CRIMINALS! They would be where they belong, in prison!
For all those people who criticized Ralph saying that he & his ego should disappear forever, let me ask you this "ARE YOU BETTER OFF NOW?"
Ralph Nader even went before Congress a couple of years ago warning them about what was going to happen. They ignored him & or didn't believe him & look where we are now.
The Obama Administration is continuing where the Bush Administration left off regarding Wall St. For those of you that don't know, Obama received a LOT of MONEY from Wall St. (criminals) in campaign contributions.
I have been warning of the disaster we are in now for years. It wasn't only because of what happened with deregulation, it also has a lot to do with the outsourcing of our manufacturing jobs that paid well & the importing of CHEAP FOREIGN LABOR TO REPLACE AMERICAN WORKERS. By the way our Government IS STILL BRINGING IN MORE THAN 138,000 FOREIGN WORKERS A MONTH ON THE H-1B VISA PROGRAM. To top that one the Senate is trying to TRIPLE the number of the H-2B Visas which is for LOW SKILLED WORKERS! That # is currently 66,000 a year!
Thank you for letting me have my say.
Feel free to comment on what I've written.
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» Decent isn't presidential. Or electable. Or competent.
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Posted by: xi_people on Apr 7, 2009 10:16 AM
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The only way to get "their" attention would be a nation-wide strike; where citizens from all walks of life, from all across the country, simply refused to be cogs in the machine -- at least temporarily. Sadly, that will never happen. The decline to serfdom for the vast majority is inevitable, and it probably always has been.
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Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Apr 7, 2009 10:18 AM
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He is a good writer & has been right on a number of issues even though I'm NOT a Conservative Republican. Heck I'm not even a Liberal Democrat. I'm an INDEPENDENT & plan to stay that way.
I have a saying "The Democrats don't have all the answers, the Republicans don't have all the answers, & sometimes neither party has ANY of the answers." You can substitute the word answers with solutions. There are some good people in both parties, except they really aren't the ones with the power.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Apr 7, 2009 10:32 AM
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/bonu-a07.shtml
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Posted by: Quist on Apr 7, 2009 11:35 AM
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Pull your money out of corrupt banks.
Cash in your 401k and other corrupt financial instuments.
Stop purchasing from corrupt corporations as much as possible.
Stop supporting the MSM (cancel cable, stop purchasing mainstream newspapers, etc.).
Stop buying into the debt machine (stop using your credit cards as much as possible) and stop buying crap that you do not need.
Start supporting small businesses, private tradespeople, private farms, and small banks/credit unions.
Support rational, reasonable and empathetic organizations and groups (political, environmental, social, spiritual, economic) that are trying to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem
Start taking a stand...and action!
BTW, I practice what I preach.
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Posted by: irenderit on Apr 7, 2009 11:41 AM
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Orders for U.S.-made factory goods increased 1.8% in February, the first gain after six months of large declines, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. Excluding transportation goods, orders rose 1.6%. Excluding the 36% increase in defense goods, orders rose 0.9%.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Apr 7, 2009 1:18 PM
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If this analysis is right, and it certainly rings with truth, then we are toast if the rape of America goes on even one year longer – as it probably will. Beyond simple survival, the question then becomes: Will it take that long for the people to hit the streets? Will they take to the streets at all – or just blame themselves again and again, in psychological response to decades-long "Skinnerian" media/pop-cultural indoctrination?? Will life imitate art, with the plot of "The Terminator" (1 and 2) being played out, only with our more primative technology? (The mind reels and consciousness shimmers like a mirage at the thought of future possiblities we may all have to face.)
I'm too old to go around charging the ramparts; but my children are too young to know what a world without this kind of strife is like. I fear, really fear, for the world they are going to be left with here in the former USA – a world that is more certain than the Cold War fear of nuclear obliteration that once so frightened we boomers. What is being done to us today, the edge of the abyss on which we are teetering with the ground collapsing from beneath our feet, makes me feel guilty for whatever part I may have unknowingly played in helping to hand them this world. I'm sure that I'm not alone in this feeling.
It would be more useful to turn this guilt into anger.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Apr 7, 2009 1:56 PM
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Unbelievable.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/fasb-a03.shtml
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Posted by: Chattyjane on Apr 7, 2009 1:57 PM
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We the People have the right to amend the Constitution - because the politicians will NEVER change the status quo. I believe such an amendment could be the common ground that we all so actively scream for. Red, blue, green and purple.... I think we could all get behind this idea.
Please don't come back and say that Lobbyists also represent environmental and human rights groups.... our Congress and Senate are supposed to do that.
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» That's the job of pols dumb fuck.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Apr 7, 2009 2:44 PM
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those are exactly the conditions that existed in the titular (i love that word) film reference...zardoz was in general a bad movie.. but it may well be on its way to becoming a good prophecy...
in the movie..the elites have maintained those conditions for several centuries before they finally succumb to their own indolence and are killed by their own thugs...
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Posted by: EncinoM on Apr 7, 2009 3:45 PM
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Coming around every four years to run for President, doesn't help. Did he run for Senate or Congress, no, where he would be in on the policy and law making.
Like a bad case of warts he appears to throw a monkey wrench and give the Presidency to the Republicans. It didn't happen last time cause, with the exception of few Nadarites, the once proud man, followed his ego and was abandoned by a country.
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» It's Nader, not Nadar
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Posted by: peppylapew on Apr 7, 2009 3:51 PM
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Your points are well taken. Mine is, simply, that it may be too late for the sort of subsurface, rhizomatic coalescence that you propose. Because at least half the population is too hypnotized to resist, or even see the need. (None of my friends "get it," how about yours?) To misquote ee cummings, it's gonna take a weaponized bit of the old sixth avenue
el to the head to get their attention. By which time, of course, the jig is up, and the likes of you and me will be involuntary participants in the Civilian Inmate Labor Program.
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Posted by: JayHaden on Apr 7, 2009 4:42 PM
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A country of Haves and Havenots is neither America's goal nor soul. Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is. That can be accomplished in a Jeffersonian, county-sized community even better than at the transcontinental scale. In fact, America the Superpower is an anomaly -- the product of a 150 years of abundant land, labor and natural resources that have tricked us into believing that our unholy composite of free market, unbridled greed, corporatism, Manifest Destiny and moral relativism is the dream team that must live forever.
In reality, America was built on the back of good, old-fashioned luck, and we should recognize that we have finally rolled snake eyes. In our future ability to compete, we're not even in the class of a pre-WWI Big Power. Of course, as Hedges points out, we may still become a successful RetroRussia, a horde of 98-pounders, so eager to put black bread on the table that we will willingly hand our lives and liberty over to the corporate czars who will beat us mercilessly if we dislike the mold on the crust.
The nation-state, including America, is an artificial creation that has caused enormous suffering. Each such state has tried to justify itself by homogenizing a nation within its boarders, hiring youth-wingers to rip out the tongues (figuratively and literally) of the Others. If we want to save ourselves from these fascists, we must become communitarians and try to pre-empt the course of events by creating local, caring democracies that work.
Certainly we are unprepared and our comfort level is still too high. Nonetheless, we can engage in contingency planning in our cities and counties. It costs very little to plan, and the potential payoff is huge. We can track the condition of our local economies using a set of simple indicators that we collect ourselves. All the numbers Mr. Hedges mentions, and more, can be tracked locally, so we can tell when and how fast we are approaching an economic and social danger point. We can write local ordinances and state laws that would let us create local scrip and rules of trade and put those in our hip pocket for later use. We can ask our counties to classify (and pay for) emergency prime farm land that can be used in emergencies. We can raise the densities in cities and at the same time set aside small tracts for a whole range of neighborhood services. We can ask our local councils to pass ethics guidelines and to reconfirm Constitutional principals. We can begin to convert our regional mega-structure for energy production and transmission into local public utilities that accept excess energy generated by individuals from renewable sources. And more.
If we do not recertify our democratic principles at the local level and act on those principles, the seemingly unmanageable chaos that descends upon us from the national level will nullify 235 years of democratic promise. At that point, because we believed in the omnipotence of the nation-state -- a power that has been misused for the benefit of a few through our inattention -- we will have swung the doors wide for the militias, end-of-timers, authoritarians, sociopaths, and corporate goons to enter our peaceful neighborhoods with guns blazing.
If any of you typers have joined a local change group based on the Obama election campaign, there is a good place to start. It will take some nagging to get your fellow Obamatrons to see beyond His health care, education and energy patches, but keep at it. These are the people most likely to want to save our democracy.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Apr 7, 2009 5:13 PM
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The currency tanks, so does the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Too bad the liberals and the US Supreme Court forgot that the foundation of liberty is property rights.
I don't think the EEOC or the Civil Rights Act of 1964 will be worth a pitcher of warm spit in a decade or two. But I wouldn't bet against the Black Muslims in some parts of the country, or confederations of Spanish speaking gangs in others.
Mao said: Power grows out of the barrel of a gun. No wonder gun sales are up.
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Posted by: mcgoo on Apr 7, 2009 6:31 PM
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Only a small number of people need to come together in order to make a difference. Just look at the vast power of the Israel lobby, which is due in part to the political apathy of the majority of U.S. citizens. Look at the momentum behind Ron Paul's campaign that arose from the grassroots.
But, the moment that we allow other issues, like race, LBGT rights, abortion, drugs, or religion to come between us, the kleptocracy will win. Yes, a majority of voters are ignorant over the truly important issues that Chris writes about and they will allow the other issues to determine their vote in future elections.
We need to forgo all our passions and come together for the better good, but, how?
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Posted by: RR#1 on Apr 7, 2009 6:35 PM
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Cheers,
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Apr 7, 2009 8:50 PM
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NO.
Nader is dead wrong and so is Chris Hedges for recycling this nonsense.
Whatever its evils "capitalism" by definition DOES NOT EXIST on the planet. It has not for a very long time. A nation whose economy is looted by "too big to fail" money center banks that own a privately rigged "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) is not "capitalist" nor a "democracy". It is a nation under Fascism defined as the merger of state under corporate monopoly power.
Fascism was coined under Benito Mussolini as described at his work "The Doctrine of Fascism":
"The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State". (p. 41).
Benito Mussolini ("The Doctrine of Fascism" , 1935 , Firenze: Vallecchi Editore).
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled President Wilson. 11/21/ l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950)
“The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (in a letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)
WHAT RULES:
Fascism
any movement, tendency, or ideology that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
Oligarchy
a small group of people who together govern a nation or control an organization, often for their own purposes
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
WHAT SHOULD RULE:
(and pretends to govern thru rigged corporate MSM & “education”)
Democracy
the free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the people
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
(republic)
Capitalism
an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
(free market democracy and self-determinism required)
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 10:58 AM
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HOWEVER the reality is far different.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it??? here's what NORMAN THOMAS one of co-founder's of ACLU says about USA quote-- Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
see The national Center for public policy research
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:01 AM
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HR 236 AND BE9006 COLA PROTECTION
it will protect these benefits without
1. RAISING TAXES
2. WITHOUT RAISING PREMIUMS
3. WITHOUT CUTTING SERVICES
It's no surprise the DEMS want to do away with the lobby groups working for PUBLIC to be protected. It won't pass unless there is an OUTPOURING of PUBLIC pressure on CONGRESS.
Politicians would rather scare everyone with tax cuts and service cuts rather than keep their hands out of the SOC SEC "till" --to keep on using SOC SEC as a "petty cash fund" for pork projects instead which will further aid in bankrupting this Nation.
They would rather scare everyone by claiming it's needful to raise taxes or make cuts or their Socialist rhetoric of---how "selfish" everyone" is for not wanting to pay higher taxes; Rather than refrain from 'raiding" SOC SEC for their pet pork projects.
Here the DEMS CONGRESS JUST took a COLA INCREASE for CONGRESS OF 550.22 PER MONTH ... while DECIDIN you THE PUBLIC could live on 63.00 per month.
they want to raise taxes and price of foods and prescription and even eggs is up 55 %.
and yet they say $63.00 a month--a lousy 5% COLA INCREASE is enough for PUBLIC.
Here, the DEMS want to irresponsibly bailout the business, which will bankrupt US unless we apply brakes and ceilings, and caps and make businesses pay money back in timely fashion.
However, when it comes to doing something GOOD to BAILOUT the PUBLIC the DEMS don't want it--which incidentally is why this is probably the first time you are reading or hearing about it.
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.
Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on
Seek legislative and LEGAL agencies to DISMANTLE the bailout and kick out the SOCIALIST stimulus.
SEE --CIVI COUNCIL THOMAS CROMWELL also Amer Ctr for Law and Justice and The National Center for public policy research
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:22 AM
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ONCE AGAIN DEMS are attempting to re-vive the mislabled fairness doctrine which disguises SHARIA LAW how??? only this time you got it!!! they want to call it a new name ---the TRANSNATIONAL TREATY and by seeking GLOBALISM.
THIS treaty means that anything that happens in USA courts that GOV DOESN'T LIKE they simply have it kicked out of courts at all levels and then give it to the UN/SHARIA LAW international court (icc) whom will IMPOSE their SHARIA LAW WILL ON THE PEOPLE.
WHAAT IS SHARIA LAW--it states
1. it is illegal to be a christian or any religion different from Muslim
2. it is punishible by death to claim any of the muslim/islam/sharia law murder rapes and terrorist activity are 'bad'
3. it would mean female mutilation would become common place.
4. it would mean that all non-muslims land monies possessions would be confiscatable at whim by the GLOBAL/UN GOVERNMENT.
THIS would for example entail that any USA CITIZEN could be apprehended by local Muslim authorities for an offense, real or imagined slammed into the ICC and flown to the Hage, netherlands where they would rot for months waiting for trial and done ENTIRELY without due process. they would get not trial and no confronting of accusers, No protection from double jeopardy and no unanimous verdict for a conviction.
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:24 AM
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24 hours after the UN accepted the SHARIA LAW 30 christians were kicked out of their home and their lands and possesions and everything why??? because the country was SHARIA LAW and the GOV FELT LIKE IT.
see American Center for Law and Justice and the National Center for public policy research and familysecurity.org
however, in the media they said that since they aren't be-heading people that it terrorists are 'somehow' not that bad anymore.
You can bet that if the USA is allowed themselves to be bamboozled by this that it won't be 24 hours before they kick everyone else and resume all their other behaviors because the USA WILL HAVE NO RIGHTS PEOPLE.
CLINTON IN 2000 gave his blessing to the whole globalist thing on the UN "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT (ICC). The DEMOCRATS all along want to make US citizens SERVANTS TO THE UN AS OUR GOVERNMENT instead of a country governed by WE THE PEOPLE.
Thankfully a handful of protestors in SEATTLE WASH REMEMBA?? SECURED our freedom and
Thankfully Bush saw the serious threat this Socialist star chamber posed to our military and he told them to stuff a sock in it. Apparantly at that time the UN was insulted by it. Although the REPUBLICANS tried twice to negotiate immunity for US peacekeepers thru the Sec Council
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.
Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on. it's why they cannot wait to get their hands on public money and THROW parties COSTING MILLIONS and big bonuses to CEO'S at the public expense.
I THINK ravel from wikipedia said it best:
The democracies that will surely perish will be those who cannot tell the difference between good and evil, survival and ruin, freedom and tyranny. Or, perhaps more to the point, the greatest danger faced by democracy are those who deny that there is any real difference after all.
SEE American center for law and justice and familysecuritymatters.org and the national center for public policy research
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Posted by: carrotwax on Apr 8, 2009 4:07 PM
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Of course we can. When it's realized that what has been going on is effectively theft, the obvious thing to do will be to take it back. World War had extremely high progressive tax rate for the wealthy - something like 90%. A wealth tax is another option, as is a very progressive inheritance tax.
What government can give, it can take away - including a corporation's right to be a corporation. It's a little more difficult in this international age with capital flight, but where there's a will there's a way.
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Posted by: kanekoa64 on Apr 10, 2009 1:32 PM
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Your carefully selected facts and figures are going to convince most fruitcakes waiting to grab a gun and shoot a "Lefty", but you omit too many bits to remain seemingly objective, so instead of reiteration by yours truly, I suggest you check figures and personal opinions and have another look.
And take a breath before maniacal dire predictions, for goodness sake.
Oxygen is good for thinking and anxiety relief.
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Posted by: psikeyhackr on Apr 11, 2009 12:39 PM
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What has the media been saying to us about the planned obsolescence of automobiles for the last 40 years? There have been 200,000,000+ cars in the United States since 1995. How much do Americans lose on the DEPRECIATION of automobiles every year? What do economists say about that? At $1,500 per car per year that is $300,000,000,000 every year, which is FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS since 1995.
The media makes its money on ADVERTISING. Why would they talk about the PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE of automobiles? Doesn't that relate to the depreciation of all of this garbage. But when we buy new garbage it gets added to GDP. Find a reporter and ask him about Net Domestic Product and see what response you get.
But how he talks about being serfs after people have bought their way into slavery and they said nothing about it, but made money on the advertising.
Economic Wargames
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Posted by: mmckinl on Apr 7, 2009 12:48 AM
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.... a real social democracy where people are supported with free health care, a living wage, free education and lifetime unemployment benefits.
or
... a third world police state where corporations and the filthy rich receive government handouts while the population is controlled by threat of force, living in dire poverty or the fear of it ...
Obama's course is the latter choice, bailing out Wall Street Bankers and Bond holders while the middle class, the working poor, the poor and the destitute get program cuts ...
The answer .... Banking as a public utility whereby the people benefit from the creation of currency and credit. Without the power to create our own credit and currency we are always at the mercy of the bankers who do ... and who have before, through fraud, greed and incompetence brought us to this desperate place we now find ourselves in.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Apr 7, 2009 1:13 AM
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It challenges my general expectation, a la John Michael Greer, that in the collapse of modern societies due to ecological constraints and gross economic mismanagement a fascist stage would precede feudalism.
But I guess we could have both for a while, like a third world fascism instead of the fancy first world kind that we saw in Italy and Germany.
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» Corporate capitalism IS fascism
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» In that case you have to create a typology of fascisms in order to differentiate them.
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» Marx Made Note Of This In The Communist Manifesto
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» And this is exactly the problem with the NEW WAY FORWARD
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» YES it is FASCISM by pedigree & definition
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» Fascism would serve these corporations
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» American fascism is 'Vichy' squared
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Posted by: heid on Apr 7, 2009 2:19 AM
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The people must take power back into their own hands. The only way to do it is to do it. Start a new monetary system - based on labor. Take over all facilities of all corporations. Take back the ill-gotten profits and property of those who have gamed the system.
Start a new system.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Apr 7, 2009 2:31 AM
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Excuse me, but isn't this what just happened? You mean, it's all going to happen AGAIN?
Curse the Democrats for flipping the nomination to the wrong guy.
Xe
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Posted by: weathered on Apr 7, 2009 3:33 AM
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Either WE persuade this administration to abrubtly and dramatically change course and embrace some of the very disciplines discussed in the above posts or
WE live in a state of "pitful, incomprehensible demoralization" ?
WE know us, the latter is Not an option.
This is the part in my little insignificant screenplay where I back away from the keyboard and just show up at Jeff Zucker's office or Gillbrand's, or Clinton's.....
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» Conservatives with guns will fight this war for us.
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Posted by: Bluecat464 on Apr 7, 2009 4:54 AM
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Mass demonstrations are no deterrance to them, they know how to deal with that; we need to get off our backsides and start to take real, concerted action that directly confronts and destabilises these criminals who have carried out the biggest heist in history.
I remember in my younger days reading a book by Saul Alinsky, and one of his gems was that you never do what is expected of you, and you do what is familiar to those who are your allies, and you do what is outside the experience of those you oppose. Another gem - perhaps it was someone else - is that laughter is one of the greatest weapons - surely we can find ways to effectively overturn this economic system that is threatening so much misery worldwide.
LETS GET PRACTICAL PEOPLE - THE TIME FOR TYPING IS OVER.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Apr 7, 2009 5:16 AM
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Yes you, the ones whom blindly follow this administration like lemons
The Resistant = any Constitution loving patriot
Yes us and your moonbat friends whom havent broking there ankles jumping from the Obama bandwagon. I'm not talking about party you bang with. You could of voted for Paul or Dennis, you could of always pull for Nader or Pat however either if you want more cowbells for world peace and the end of NAFTA and push a Veggy VW (becuse Toyotas are for posers) or you are a free trader, little regulations, Wall Street to Maine Street cowboy whom drives a bad ass SUV...
...the Starts and stripes are under attack by the people you would think would protect it the most. Stop thinking and start doing SOMETHING!
Its the time for some strange bedfellows
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» Protect Life
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» RE: This was easy Serfs = The Obama-Bots
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» Correction: Serfs = The Obama-Bots + (Limbaugh dittoheads) Limbaugh Dittoheads
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» And I thought I was a doofus for voting for Nader.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Apr 7, 2009 5:38 AM
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His conclusions are speculative, but any projection of the future must be speculative.
Our democracy is merely going through the motions now. We hold elections, but the corruption of our politicians is universal. No-one can stand for election without money; and the money tree is a corporate tree.
Corporations have consolidated their grip both on government and media and brought us reverse socialism, requiring ordinary people to directly support the lifestyles of the uber-rich. It carries with it echoes of fuedalism, where nobles are above the laws which apply to common people, and they can draw on the commoner's resources to bolster their personal wealth at will.
As they have suborned mainstream media, you have to look pretty hard to find voices speaking out against it. Nader gets no air time. Moyers is a lonely voice. The opposition finds expression only on a fractured internet - but the news aggregators which dominate the internet (Google, Yahoo, etc.) are only carrying the messages generated by mainstream media. The opposition exists on the margins where many Americans never even hear their voices. But they won't stop there.
Expect police crackdowns on assembly, new restrictions on free speech, and imprisonment for dissidents. Without those controls, they will never feel comfortable that they have gotten away with the theft of our democracy.
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Posted by: NYmediator on Apr 7, 2009 5:46 AM
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Consequently, the left needs to also stop labeling potential libertarian allies as 'wingnuts.'
Why don't people realize that this is the tried and true 'divide and conquer' method at work? We keep screaming at each other while our childrens birthright is being sold down the river.
What is happening is not a Democrat-Republican fight - both parties serve the same masters.
You can argue liberal-conservative until the cows come home but in the end, don't both sides want their children to live in a land of freedom?
It's never been about those labels - it's always been the elite among world capitalists vs. the rest of us. It's always been about CLASS, and always will be.
And do not be dissuaded when the people assigned as controllers lob the term 'class warfare.' Class warfare has been a constant since the dawn of humankind - when the first group of cave dwellers seized the best grazing land from another group of cave dwellers.
To turn a theory from the movie 'Bulworth' - wealthy 'Democrats' have always had far more in common with wealthy 'Republicans' than with working class 'Democrats.' And vice versa.
It's time to admit it. Even Warren Buffett, not too long ago, made it plain - he said there is indeed a class war going on and that 'my side is winning it,' or something of that nature.
The wage slave working next to you, struggling to provide for their family against growing odds, is your ally - regardless of what are really superficial differences about ideology. Whatever you feel about abortion or any other social issue, it will not, ultimately, put food on your table or a roof over your head.
Heaven or hell is for the next life - we live here now. We may never be able to throw off the yoke that religious dogma has on people - religion has been the greatest enforcer of the ruling class in human history - but we should try to get people to see regardless of what deity you worship, it's all about our common human rights.
It's not socialism, it's not communism - it's protecting the humanity of all of us against a system and an elite that views us in the same way we regard ants on the pavement.
Why is this so hard to get?
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» You said it!!
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» Very well said
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Posted by: peppylapew on Apr 7, 2009 5:51 AM
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I have begun to fear that we are, collectively, raging against the dying of the light. We --- secular, middle-class American individualists --- are surfing a long-wave reaction to the Enlightenment that must end, if only briefly, in some form of neo-feudalism. Rather than trying to shoot the curl, maybe the best we can do individually is to cutback and watch the inevitable wipe-out from well offshore.
[Aside: as a former grammar cop at the Morning News, Chris, I can't resist this nostalgic indulgence: not "who we naively dismiss as buffoons," but "whom." Thanks, I needed that.]
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Posted by: ExposeTheIsraelLobby on Apr 7, 2009 5:54 AM
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Chris Hedges gave a great speech in Princeton in which he embraced Walt and Mearsheimer by name and then added this:
Middle Eastern policy is shaped in the United States by those with very close ties to the Israel lobby. Those who attempt to counter the virulent Israeli position, such as former Secretary of State Colin Powell, are ruthlessly slapped down. This alliance was true also during the Clinton administration, with its array of Israeli-first Middle East experts, including special Middle East coordinator Dennis Ross and Martin Indyk, the former deputy director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, one of the most powerful Israel lobbying groups in Washington. But at least people like Indyk and Ross are sane, willing to consider a Palestinian state, however unviable, as long as it is palatable to Israel. The Bush administration turned to the far-right wing of the Israel lobby, those who have not a shred of compassion for the Palestinians or a word of criticism for Israel. These new Middle East experts include Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, the disgraced I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and David Wurmser. Washington was once willing to stay Israel's hand. It intervened to thwart some of its most extreme violations of human rights.
The significance of this speech is that much of the left has been wary of realists Walt and Mearsheimer. The Nation, for instance, trashed them and shows an inability to absorb their ideas. Hedges is a guy I see at Nation functions, and a true moralist. He understands that The Israel Lobby is at heart a moral work. It is just a matter of time before the denunciation of the neocons for their Israel agenda is taken up inside the Jewish house...
MP3 Audio: Philip Weiss on the Neocons War for Israel agenda:
"In terms of their politics, they were almost all Democrats and then as soon as the Democratic party suggested that it wasn't going to have a strong military, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol, the grandfathers of this movement, they went Republican. Why? Because they said, back in the 70's, a strong American military is needed to protect Israel."
Download an mp3 of Phil saying the above here (9:45 minutes in)
Antiwar.com/Radio - 07/12/2008
Watch the BBC documentary "The War Party", part 1 of 5
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Posted by: robertmc on Apr 7, 2009 6:16 AM
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What the Obusha administration seems to not understand is that we are NOT going back to the way things were. Most Americans are tapped out- the spending spree is over and we have started saving everything we can. The paradox of thrift seems to have eluded the thinking of this administration. Who cares if the banksters start lending? We don't want to borrow anymore.
Growth is optional. Sustainability is necessary.
Thank you Alternet for being one of the few progressive voices that understands the scam foisted upon us. I've never felt more betrayed in my life. Obama has truly punk'd us.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 7, 2009 7:01 AM
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Laugh at the over zealous Right, but you guys are just as blind. You missed the advantages the Oil industry recognized when converting to Corn based Biofuels....Direct adverse effect on Food Production and cost. So the 'lefts' efforts only helped prove the Oil corps mantra that Oil is the best & cheapest energy source. Had you stopped for a moment to extinguish your hair- you would have realized using Corn would result in more famine around the world and skyrocketing food prices here at home..DUH!Worse Yet you are doing it again with alternative renewables...You have yet to recognize regardless of the Energy source, if the corps own and control it we are still screwed and beholden to them for access.
You've even Screwed US over on Social reforms-instead of just accepting the Legal aspects of 'Unions', You had to push for the Term 'Marriage'. Who gives a fuck what you call it as long as the legal rights are the same. So your demand for 'marriage' opened the door for 'One man, One Woman' Legislation. Instead of focusing on Unions as a legal status and 'Marriage' being something ordained by ones Religious faith, you pushed so hard now there's Laws to overcome (overturn).
Haven't you all figured out you are being played too? when they can get your panties in a twist- create knee jerk reactions from the left, it only helps fire up the Right?
Don't get me wrong, your view about Corp Takeover is absolutely correct- but you're about 30 yrs too late. You should have been screaming about this when the Feudalistic Caste system was reinstituted under the blatant name 'Trickle Down'. anyone with a History book, or even a dictionary recognized that economic stratedgy. We're now 30 yrs in to this clusterfuck. there is no way to wave a magic wand and undo this well entrenched Web of Corp Powers.Our entire system is infected and affected- so it will require some finesse to unweave this economic treason.Have you Ever Played Jinga- same stratedgy of patience and forethought must be utilized, otherwise the entire 'tower' will collapse.Guess who's $1 lies beneath those $40 toxic assets- Our retirment funds. The Rating agencies granted these risky products a 'safe' rating, opening up our 'secure' investment accts.Worse yet that also lured in State & Local investments- are you willing to give up your Police & Fire Depts?
As a MI'er, I know exactly why Wagnor got the Ax and Wall Streeters haven't. Wagnor thought all he had to do was sacrific the Union and the funds would be given- it's worked plenty of times before. he didn't realize His ass was on the line. Wall Streeters don't have those convenient sacrifical lambs (or Scapegoats)- cutting their rank and fill will not save them from the Noose. They are personally motivated to find any means possible to rectify this situation before we Storm the Gates.And No one recognizes that personal threat more than Geitner.Summers might figure he'll die before he's convicted on Economic Treason- Geitner may not be as confident.I'm pretty sure,Gietner feels the singe of the torches on the back of his neck.Theres plenty of Wall Streeters who know, no President, no Court, no Borders or even a tall fortress wall will be able to hold back the masses from literally hunting them down.
Perhaps it's time the Far left sit down and Shut up too, and give the rest of US time to carefully and thoughtfully sort through the mayhem you and the far right have created!Everything Is NOT Black & White- Lets allow the moderation of Grey take the reins.
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» How dare you smear Nader like that !! Now, you're an Obamabot, eh?
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» Thanks, purple girl. When Nader really cares about HELPING, he'll run for something other than. . .
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» Nader did help all these years and yet you persecuted him !
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Posted by: maxloen on Apr 7, 2009 7:03 AM
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It's not easy to read -the second book, Burning Chrome, elucidates the first one- but that it's the good part in an excellent work in Sci-Fi (not so "Fi" as we can see these days) literature.
Fortunately, as things are yet, the Masters of the Universe won't be able to scape to their Space Stations with their loot, although they are still very much up to it, with a little help from the Russian 'Space Tourist' program.
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Posted by: mnstra on Apr 7, 2009 7:14 AM
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The only way , I think for us to make a statement and protest is to have a run on the banks now. Put money into credit unions.
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Posted by: badkitty68 on Apr 7, 2009 7:23 AM
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But people are so fear based now, whipped into a state of perpetual fear and paranoia by the MSM, that I predict most will be too terrified of losing their jobs. Ironically, if enough people do it, firings would be pointless, since they'd have to fire everyone and there would be no one left to replace them.
It will take the kind of guts our ancestors had - but I don't think Americans have that stuff anymore. We're too comfy, too entertained, and most of us are still too well-fed.
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» We did.
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Posted by: Lurker on Apr 7, 2009 8:18 AM
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We do indeed have a cargo cult democracy now. At regular intervals we check boxes, flip levers or poke buttons to choose among preselected candidates and so give an illusion of choosing our government, but policy making has long since been outsourced to privately funded and directed think tanks and corporate interest groups. Elections are just semblances of rational choice in a political landscape ruled by invisible magicians according to rules and principles that never see the public light of day.
Before anything changes people have to understand that despite what they're told they have no share in civic power. If they don't like that, they have to start taking their duty as citizens seriously. They have to learn to inform themselves about issues, candidates, the uses and structure of power, and do it every day. Democracy is much, much more than just donating to a party and hooting for/against branded candidates once every four or two years.
Most of all, shut off the god damned TV. Stone the American Idol. Boycott professional sports. In the old days the Romans used bread & circuses to keep the yokels pacified, today its beer & B-ball. The flip side of e plurubus unuum is divide and conquer, which is what trivial pursuits and diversions do.
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Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Apr 7, 2009 9:48 AM
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In 1971 before he took a seat on the Supreme Court, Justice Lewis Powell wrote a memo to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce saying that Ralph Nader WAS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO BUSINESS & THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM & THAT THEY MUST TAKE ACTION TO TURN IT AROUND.... (Sept./Oct. 2008 Columbia Journalism Review) To me it sounds like he meant UNFETTERED CAPITALISM! As you can see we now have the results of these policies!
Ralph Nader is ONE of the MOST DECENT HUMAN BEINGS THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD in OUR TIME! I know there are many others, but how many of them ran for President? If he would have won, we wouldn't be giving trillions of dollars to Wall St. CRIMINALS! They would be where they belong, in prison!
For all those people who criticized Ralph saying that he & his ego should disappear forever, let me ask you this "ARE YOU BETTER OFF NOW?"
Ralph Nader even went before Congress a couple of years ago warning them about what was going to happen. They ignored him & or didn't believe him & look where we are now.
The Obama Administration is continuing where the Bush Administration left off regarding Wall St. For those of you that don't know, Obama received a LOT of MONEY from Wall St. (criminals) in campaign contributions.
I have been warning of the disaster we are in now for years. It wasn't only because of what happened with deregulation, it also has a lot to do with the outsourcing of our manufacturing jobs that paid well & the importing of CHEAP FOREIGN LABOR TO REPLACE AMERICAN WORKERS. By the way our Government IS STILL BRINGING IN MORE THAN 138,000 FOREIGN WORKERS A MONTH ON THE H-1B VISA PROGRAM. To top that one the Senate is trying to TRIPLE the number of the H-2B Visas which is for LOW SKILLED WORKERS! That # is currently 66,000 a year!
Thank you for letting me have my say.
Feel free to comment on what I've written.
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» Decent isn't presidential. Or electable. Or competent.
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Posted by: percipi22 on Apr 7, 2009 10:12 AM
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Posted by: xi_people on Apr 7, 2009 10:16 AM
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The only way to get "their" attention would be a nation-wide strike; where citizens from all walks of life, from all across the country, simply refused to be cogs in the machine -- at least temporarily. Sadly, that will never happen. The decline to serfdom for the vast majority is inevitable, and it probably always has been.
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Posted by: usedtobesupermom on Apr 7, 2009 10:18 AM
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He is a good writer & has been right on a number of issues even though I'm NOT a Conservative Republican. Heck I'm not even a Liberal Democrat. I'm an INDEPENDENT & plan to stay that way.
I have a saying "The Democrats don't have all the answers, the Republicans don't have all the answers, & sometimes neither party has ANY of the answers." You can substitute the word answers with solutions. There are some good people in both parties, except they really aren't the ones with the power.
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» RE: Serfs' mentality is to buy into "one" ideology.
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Apr 7, 2009 10:30 AM
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Apr 7, 2009 10:32 AM
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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/bonu-a07.shtml
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» Blood boiling
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Posted by: DHFabian on Apr 7, 2009 10:47 AM
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Posted by: Quist on Apr 7, 2009 11:35 AM
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Pull your money out of corrupt banks.
Cash in your 401k and other corrupt financial instuments.
Stop purchasing from corrupt corporations as much as possible.
Stop supporting the MSM (cancel cable, stop purchasing mainstream newspapers, etc.).
Stop buying into the debt machine (stop using your credit cards as much as possible) and stop buying crap that you do not need.
Start supporting small businesses, private tradespeople, private farms, and small banks/credit unions.
Support rational, reasonable and empathetic organizations and groups (political, environmental, social, spiritual, economic) that are trying to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem
Start taking a stand...and action!
BTW, I practice what I preach.
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» I've always done all those things....
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Posted by: irenderit on Apr 7, 2009 11:41 AM
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Orders for U.S.-made factory goods increased 1.8% in February, the first gain after six months of large declines, the Commerce Department reported Thursday. Excluding transportation goods, orders rose 1.6%. Excluding the 36% increase in defense goods, orders rose 0.9%.
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Posted by: rtmyth on Apr 7, 2009 11:43 AM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Apr 7, 2009 1:18 PM
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If this analysis is right, and it certainly rings with truth, then we are toast if the rape of America goes on even one year longer – as it probably will. Beyond simple survival, the question then becomes: Will it take that long for the people to hit the streets? Will they take to the streets at all – or just blame themselves again and again, in psychological response to decades-long "Skinnerian" media/pop-cultural indoctrination?? Will life imitate art, with the plot of "The Terminator" (1 and 2) being played out, only with our more primative technology? (The mind reels and consciousness shimmers like a mirage at the thought of future possiblities we may all have to face.)
I'm too old to go around charging the ramparts; but my children are too young to know what a world without this kind of strife is like. I fear, really fear, for the world they are going to be left with here in the former USA – a world that is more certain than the Cold War fear of nuclear obliteration that once so frightened we boomers. What is being done to us today, the edge of the abyss on which we are teetering with the ground collapsing from beneath our feet, makes me feel guilty for whatever part I may have unknowingly played in helping to hand them this world. I'm sure that I'm not alone in this feeling.
It would be more useful to turn this guilt into anger.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Apr 7, 2009 1:56 PM
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Unbelievable.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/fasb-a03.shtml
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Posted by: Chattyjane on Apr 7, 2009 1:57 PM
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We the People have the right to amend the Constitution - because the politicians will NEVER change the status quo. I believe such an amendment could be the common ground that we all so actively scream for. Red, blue, green and purple.... I think we could all get behind this idea.
Please don't come back and say that Lobbyists also represent environmental and human rights groups.... our Congress and Senate are supposed to do that.
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» That's the job of pols dumb fuck.
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» Oh, it's someone else's job? I was pretty sure it might be. Well, can't defend R?N.
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» Election reform HA! We need LEAD to reform the would be leaders
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Apr 7, 2009 2:44 PM
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those are exactly the conditions that existed in the titular (i love that word) film reference...zardoz was in general a bad movie.. but it may well be on its way to becoming a good prophecy...
in the movie..the elites have maintained those conditions for several centuries before they finally succumb to their own indolence and are killed by their own thugs...
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» the eternal tabernacle...
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Posted by: EncinoM on Apr 7, 2009 3:45 PM
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Coming around every four years to run for President, doesn't help. Did he run for Senate or Congress, no, where he would be in on the policy and law making.
Like a bad case of warts he appears to throw a monkey wrench and give the Presidency to the Republicans. It didn't happen last time cause, with the exception of few Nadarites, the once proud man, followed his ego and was abandoned by a country.
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» No way, Obama needs to stop expanding on abuse of executive power.
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» It's Nader, not Nadar
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Posted by: peppylapew on Apr 7, 2009 3:51 PM
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Your points are well taken. Mine is, simply, that it may be too late for the sort of subsurface, rhizomatic coalescence that you propose. Because at least half the population is too hypnotized to resist, or even see the need. (None of my friends "get it," how about yours?) To misquote ee cummings, it's gonna take a weaponized bit of the old sixth avenue
el to the head to get their attention. By which time, of course, the jig is up, and the likes of you and me will be involuntary participants in the Civilian Inmate Labor Program.
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Posted by: JayHaden on Apr 7, 2009 4:42 PM
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A country of Haves and Havenots is neither America's goal nor soul. Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is. That can be accomplished in a Jeffersonian, county-sized community even better than at the transcontinental scale. In fact, America the Superpower is an anomaly -- the product of a 150 years of abundant land, labor and natural resources that have tricked us into believing that our unholy composite of free market, unbridled greed, corporatism, Manifest Destiny and moral relativism is the dream team that must live forever.
In reality, America was built on the back of good, old-fashioned luck, and we should recognize that we have finally rolled snake eyes. In our future ability to compete, we're not even in the class of a pre-WWI Big Power. Of course, as Hedges points out, we may still become a successful RetroRussia, a horde of 98-pounders, so eager to put black bread on the table that we will willingly hand our lives and liberty over to the corporate czars who will beat us mercilessly if we dislike the mold on the crust.
The nation-state, including America, is an artificial creation that has caused enormous suffering. Each such state has tried to justify itself by homogenizing a nation within its boarders, hiring youth-wingers to rip out the tongues (figuratively and literally) of the Others. If we want to save ourselves from these fascists, we must become communitarians and try to pre-empt the course of events by creating local, caring democracies that work.
Certainly we are unprepared and our comfort level is still too high. Nonetheless, we can engage in contingency planning in our cities and counties. It costs very little to plan, and the potential payoff is huge. We can track the condition of our local economies using a set of simple indicators that we collect ourselves. All the numbers Mr. Hedges mentions, and more, can be tracked locally, so we can tell when and how fast we are approaching an economic and social danger point. We can write local ordinances and state laws that would let us create local scrip and rules of trade and put those in our hip pocket for later use. We can ask our counties to classify (and pay for) emergency prime farm land that can be used in emergencies. We can raise the densities in cities and at the same time set aside small tracts for a whole range of neighborhood services. We can ask our local councils to pass ethics guidelines and to reconfirm Constitutional principals. We can begin to convert our regional mega-structure for energy production and transmission into local public utilities that accept excess energy generated by individuals from renewable sources. And more.
If we do not recertify our democratic principles at the local level and act on those principles, the seemingly unmanageable chaos that descends upon us from the national level will nullify 235 years of democratic promise. At that point, because we believed in the omnipotence of the nation-state -- a power that has been misused for the benefit of a few through our inattention -- we will have swung the doors wide for the militias, end-of-timers, authoritarians, sociopaths, and corporate goons to enter our peaceful neighborhoods with guns blazing.
If any of you typers have joined a local change group based on the Obama election campaign, there is a good place to start. It will take some nagging to get your fellow Obamatrons to see beyond His health care, education and energy patches, but keep at it. These are the people most likely to want to save our democracy.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Apr 7, 2009 5:13 PM
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The currency tanks, so does the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Too bad the liberals and the US Supreme Court forgot that the foundation of liberty is property rights.
I don't think the EEOC or the Civil Rights Act of 1964 will be worth a pitcher of warm spit in a decade or two. But I wouldn't bet against the Black Muslims in some parts of the country, or confederations of Spanish speaking gangs in others.
Mao said: Power grows out of the barrel of a gun. No wonder gun sales are up.
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Posted by: mcgoo on Apr 7, 2009 6:31 PM
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Only a small number of people need to come together in order to make a difference. Just look at the vast power of the Israel lobby, which is due in part to the political apathy of the majority of U.S. citizens. Look at the momentum behind Ron Paul's campaign that arose from the grassroots.
But, the moment that we allow other issues, like race, LBGT rights, abortion, drugs, or religion to come between us, the kleptocracy will win. Yes, a majority of voters are ignorant over the truly important issues that Chris writes about and they will allow the other issues to determine their vote in future elections.
We need to forgo all our passions and come together for the better good, but, how?
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Posted by: RR#1 on Apr 7, 2009 6:35 PM
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Cheers,
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Apr 7, 2009 8:50 PM
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NO.
Nader is dead wrong and so is Chris Hedges for recycling this nonsense.
Whatever its evils "capitalism" by definition DOES NOT EXIST on the planet. It has not for a very long time. A nation whose economy is looted by "too big to fail" money center banks that own a privately rigged "Federal Reserve" Corp (not federal, no reserves) is not "capitalist" nor a "democracy". It is a nation under Fascism defined as the merger of state under corporate monopoly power.
Fascism was coined under Benito Mussolini as described at his work "The Doctrine of Fascism":
"The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State". (p. 41).
Benito Mussolini ("The Doctrine of Fascism" , 1935 , Firenze: Vallecchi Editore).
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
President FDR (on de facto Fascist rule in a letter to corporate monopoly charlatan “Colonel” Edward M. House, co-founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and political fixer for the ruling class. House also handled President Wilson. 11/21/ l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950)
“The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them.”
Doctor Albert Einstein (in a letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)
WHAT RULES:
Fascism
any movement, tendency, or ideology that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
Oligarchy
a small group of people who together govern a nation or control an organization, often for their own purposes
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
WHAT SHOULD RULE:
(and pretends to govern thru rigged corporate MSM & “education”)
Democracy
the free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the people
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
(republic)
Capitalism
an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit
Encarta® World English Dictionary ©
(free market democracy and self-determinism required)
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 10:58 AM
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HOWEVER the reality is far different.
DO you want to know what the ACLU thinks about how 'STUPID' they view Americans. QUOTE Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but DISGUISED under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened to them.
don't believe it??? here's what NORMAN THOMAS one of co-founder's of ACLU says about USA quote-- Americans will never "knowingly" accept Socialism, but under "liberalism" Americans will accept every fragment; and one day wake up in a Socialist Nation and "wonder" how it all happened.
Here we have the DEMS always needing a bigger shovel for the level of UTOPIAN propaganda they want to throw at the UNSUSPECTING PUBLIC.
PEOPLE OUR MARKET BASED HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Why, sure it's not perfect. BUT THE SHORTCOMINGS it faces such as high cost of drugs and insurance---are in part THE results of the inroads the SOCIALISTS AND LIBERALS have already made into our market based health care system.
THE REAL SOLUTION TO fixing HEALTHCARE ISN'T to make UNCLE SAME/DEMS your doctor ....BUT to GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC MORE CHOICE.
ALLOWING the DEMS socialize healthcare not only would prove expensive but DEADLY. Think about it?? DEMS WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY BUT DENY PUBLIC the meds and services it needs while GOV POCKETS THE CASH TO SPEND ON PORK.
see The national Center for public policy research
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» Health care! Got some? GOOOOd 4 U . KNow how I can get some?
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:01 AM
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HR 236 AND BE9006 COLA PROTECTION
it will protect these benefits without
1. RAISING TAXES
2. WITHOUT RAISING PREMIUMS
3. WITHOUT CUTTING SERVICES
It's no surprise the DEMS want to do away with the lobby groups working for PUBLIC to be protected. It won't pass unless there is an OUTPOURING of PUBLIC pressure on CONGRESS.
Politicians would rather scare everyone with tax cuts and service cuts rather than keep their hands out of the SOC SEC "till" --to keep on using SOC SEC as a "petty cash fund" for pork projects instead which will further aid in bankrupting this Nation.
They would rather scare everyone by claiming it's needful to raise taxes or make cuts or their Socialist rhetoric of---how "selfish" everyone" is for not wanting to pay higher taxes; Rather than refrain from 'raiding" SOC SEC for their pet pork projects.
Here the DEMS CONGRESS JUST took a COLA INCREASE for CONGRESS OF 550.22 PER MONTH ... while DECIDIN you THE PUBLIC could live on 63.00 per month.
they want to raise taxes and price of foods and prescription and even eggs is up 55 %.
and yet they say $63.00 a month--a lousy 5% COLA INCREASE is enough for PUBLIC.
Here, the DEMS want to irresponsibly bailout the business, which will bankrupt US unless we apply brakes and ceilings, and caps and make businesses pay money back in timely fashion.
However, when it comes to doing something GOOD to BAILOUT the PUBLIC the DEMS don't want it--which incidentally is why this is probably the first time you are reading or hearing about it.
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.
Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on
Seek legislative and LEGAL agencies to DISMANTLE the bailout and kick out the SOCIALIST stimulus.
SEE --CIVI COUNCIL THOMAS CROMWELL also Amer Ctr for Law and Justice and The National Center for public policy research
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:22 AM
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ONCE AGAIN DEMS are attempting to re-vive the mislabled fairness doctrine which disguises SHARIA LAW how??? only this time you got it!!! they want to call it a new name ---the TRANSNATIONAL TREATY and by seeking GLOBALISM.
THIS treaty means that anything that happens in USA courts that GOV DOESN'T LIKE they simply have it kicked out of courts at all levels and then give it to the UN/SHARIA LAW international court (icc) whom will IMPOSE their SHARIA LAW WILL ON THE PEOPLE.
WHAAT IS SHARIA LAW--it states
1. it is illegal to be a christian or any religion different from Muslim
2. it is punishible by death to claim any of the muslim/islam/sharia law murder rapes and terrorist activity are 'bad'
3. it would mean female mutilation would become common place.
4. it would mean that all non-muslims land monies possessions would be confiscatable at whim by the GLOBAL/UN GOVERNMENT.
THIS would for example entail that any USA CITIZEN could be apprehended by local Muslim authorities for an offense, real or imagined slammed into the ICC and flown to the Hage, netherlands where they would rot for months waiting for trial and done ENTIRELY without due process. they would get not trial and no confronting of accusers, No protection from double jeopardy and no unanimous verdict for a conviction.
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» In other words, the poor "USA CITIZEN" would be treated as he has treated others?
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Apr 8, 2009 11:24 AM
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24 hours after the UN accepted the SHARIA LAW 30 christians were kicked out of their home and their lands and possesions and everything why??? because the country was SHARIA LAW and the GOV FELT LIKE IT.
see American Center for Law and Justice and the National Center for public policy research and familysecurity.org
however, in the media they said that since they aren't be-heading people that it terrorists are 'somehow' not that bad anymore.
You can bet that if the USA is allowed themselves to be bamboozled by this that it won't be 24 hours before they kick everyone else and resume all their other behaviors because the USA WILL HAVE NO RIGHTS PEOPLE.
CLINTON IN 2000 gave his blessing to the whole globalist thing on the UN "INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT (ICC). The DEMOCRATS all along want to make US citizens SERVANTS TO THE UN AS OUR GOVERNMENT instead of a country governed by WE THE PEOPLE.
Thankfully a handful of protestors in SEATTLE WASH REMEMBA?? SECURED our freedom and
Thankfully Bush saw the serious threat this Socialist star chamber posed to our military and he told them to stuff a sock in it. Apparantly at that time the UN was insulted by it. Although the REPUBLICANS tried twice to negotiate immunity for US peacekeepers thru the Sec Council
To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.
Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.
Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on. it's why they cannot wait to get their hands on public money and THROW parties COSTING MILLIONS and big bonuses to CEO'S at the public expense.
I THINK ravel from wikipedia said it best:
The democracies that will surely perish will be those who cannot tell the difference between good and evil, survival and ruin, freedom and tyranny. Or, perhaps more to the point, the greatest danger faced by democracy are those who deny that there is any real difference after all.
SEE American center for law and justice and familysecuritymatters.org and the national center for public policy research
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Posted by: carrotwax on Apr 8, 2009 4:07 PM
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Of course we can. When it's realized that what has been going on is effectively theft, the obvious thing to do will be to take it back. World War had extremely high progressive tax rate for the wealthy - something like 90%. A wealth tax is another option, as is a very progressive inheritance tax.
What government can give, it can take away - including a corporation's right to be a corporation. It's a little more difficult in this international age with capital flight, but where there's a will there's a way.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Apr 8, 2009 4:31 PM
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Posted by: kanekoa64 on Apr 10, 2009 1:32 PM
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Your carefully selected facts and figures are going to convince most fruitcakes waiting to grab a gun and shoot a "Lefty", but you omit too many bits to remain seemingly objective, so instead of reiteration by yours truly, I suggest you check figures and personal opinions and have another look.
And take a breath before maniacal dire predictions, for goodness sake.
Oxygen is good for thinking and anxiety relief.
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Posted by: psikeyhackr on Apr 11, 2009 12:39 PM
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What has the media been saying to us about the planned obsolescence of automobiles for the last 40 years? There have been 200,000,000+ cars in the United States since 1995. How much do Americans lose on the DEPRECIATION of automobiles every year? What do economists say about that? At $1,500 per car per year that is $300,000,000,000 every year, which is FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS since 1995.
The media makes its money on ADVERTISING. Why would they talk about the PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE of automobiles? Doesn't that relate to the depreciation of all of this garbage. But when we buy new garbage it gets added to GDP. Find a reporter and ask him about Net Domestic Product and see what response you get.
But how he talks about being serfs after people have bought their way into slavery and they said nothing about it, but made money on the advertising.
Economic Wargames
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