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AIG Exec Whines About Public Anger, and Now We're Supposed to Pity Him? Yeah, Right
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"I take this action after 11 years of dedicated, honorable service to AIG. I can no longer effectively perform my duties in this dysfunctional environment, nor am I being paid to do so. Like you, I was asked to work for an annual salary of $1, and I agreed out of a sense of duty to the company and to the public officials who have come to its aid. Having now been let down by both, I can no longer justify spending 10, 12, 14 hours a day away from my family for the benefit of those who have let me down." via Op-Ed Contributor -- "Dear AIG, I Quit!" -- NYTimes.comLike a lot of people, I read Wednesday's New York Times editorial by former AIG Financial Products employee Jake DeSantis, whose resignation letter basically asks us all to reconsider our anger toward the poor overworked employees of his unit.
DeSantis has a few major points. They include: 1) I had nothing to do with my boss Joe Cassano's toxic credit default swaps portfolio, and only a handful of people in our unit did; 2) I didn't even know anything about them; 3) I could have left AIG for a better job several times last year; 4) but I didn't, staying out of a sense of duty to my poor, beleaguered firm, only to find out in the end that; 5) I would be betrayed by AIG senior management, who promised we would be rewarded for staying, but then went back on their word when they folded in highly cowardly fashion in the face of an angry and stupid populist mob.
I have a few responses to those points. They are 1) Bullshit; 2) bullshit; 3) bullshit, plus of course; 4) bullshit. Lastly, there is 5) Boo-Fucking-Hoo. You dog.
AIGFP only had 377 employees. Those 400-odd folks received almost $3.5 billion in compensation in the last seven years, a very large part of that money coming from the sale of credit default protection. Doing the math, that averages out to over $9 million of compensation per person.
Ask yourself this question: If your company made that much money, and the boss of the unit made almost $280 million in just a few years, exactly how likely is it that you wouldn't know where that money was coming from?
Are we supposed to believe that Jake DeSantis knew nothing about Joe Cassano's CDS deals? If your boss and the top guys in your firm were all making a killing selling anything at all -- whether it was rubber kayaks, generic Levitra or credit default swaps -- you really wouldn't bother to find out what that thing they were selling was? You'd really just mind your own business, sit at your cubicle and put your faith in the guys up top to fill you in if there was something you needed to know?
This would be a believable claim for an employee of some other wing of AIG, a company with well over 100,000 employees. But DeSantis works for tiny, 377-person AIGFP, a unit that had only two offices -- one in London and one in Greenwich, Conn.
And we're talking about financial professionals, the most shameless group of tirelessly envious gossips ever to walk the face of the earth. The likelihood that Cassano would pull in $280 million for himself, and his equally greedy, hopelessly jealous employees wouldn't know not only exactly how he made that money but every last ugly detail about his life -- from what skank he's sleeping with to what side of his trousers he hangs on -- is almost zero.
I know plenty of people who work in this world, and I've met very few who didn't hate with every cell in their bodies anyone in their own companies who made more money than they did or got bigger bonuses at Christmastime. Gossiping about each others' bonuses, and bitching about each others' compensation, is the national pastime for these people.
So forgive me if I don't buy this story that poor Jake and his buddies didn't know about Cassano's CDS business.
Also, there's this: let's just say, Jake, that you're telling the truth, that you don't know anything about this toxic portfolio. If that's the case, then why the fuck does anyone need to retain you at an exorbitant salary to help unwind that very portfolio? If these transactions aren't and never were your expertise, then where the hell is your value here?
When I spoke to Christine Pretto, the AIG spokeswoman, and asked about those bonuses, she said that AIG needed to retain people like you in order to take advantage of your "knowledge of these transactions." So if you don't have knowledge of these transactions, what are you being paid for? Your winning attitude?
Then there's the matter of Jake's other job offers. About that: It was apparent as early as last February that Cassano had basically destroyed not only the unit but perhaps AIG itself. The company announced over $11 billion in losses around that time.
If I'm Jake DeSantis, and I'm really innocent, I'm looking for a job that very instant. And I'm taking the first good job anyone offers me. Because by then I'd have realized that I was working for the latest version of Enron. That the man I've been working for the last six or seven years has turned out to be one of the most irresponsible Wall Street villains of all time, a man who single-handedly destroyed the 18th-largest company in the world. If I'm Jake DeSantis, I'm quitting out of moral disgust, because I don't want to be associated with this kind of behavior.
The only reason I'd stay is if I didn't have a choice. Which I feel sure is what happened here. If Jake DeSantis didn't take advantage of an opportunity to get a better job elsewhere with a company that didn't hide billions in losses and make $500 billion bets with money they didn't have, that's his fucking problem.
The notion that I the taxpayer have to pay this asshole a million-dollar bonus because he turned down a better job at a less-guilty company is repugnant to begin with; the notion that he stayed at AIGFP because he expected me to pay him this bonus makes me hate him even more.
But it's all moot, because I feel quite sure it's a lie. As one trader for another firm told me not long ago when I asked what he thought about the need to pay these "retention bonuses" to these "valued employees" at AIGFP:
"Yeah, right. Who would hire these guys? They'd stay for a dollar if you offered it to them, much less a million."
I mean, half of Wall Street is unemployed right now. There are plenty of unemployed traders out there whose resumes don't include such entries as "Worked for years at small unit of AIG that helped destroy the universe; throughout that time was completely ignorant of burgeoning global disaster unfolding 5 feet from my desk."
The idea that other companies would be so eager to pass over the seas of truly innocent available people in order to scoop up some still-employed veteran of AIGFP -- and that they would be so enthusiastic in their pursuit of said AIGFP employees that AIG would need to pay those AIGFP folks million-plus retention bonuses to get them to stay -- is so ludicrous it almost defies comment.
Show me, anywhere, the Wall Street firm that's willing right now to spend more than a million dollars poaching still-employed midlevel executives like DeSantis, when they can just put an ad in the paper and have 500 recently unemployed CEOs begging for work at almost any salary in five minutes.
So the idea that the rest of Wall Street is breaking down AIGFP's doors to lavish its idiot personnel with million-dollar offers is just utterly preposterous. The fact that DeSantis expects us to believe this is insulting in itself.
Also, remember, DeSantis until this year was probably the recipient of performance bonuses. This year, obviously, there was no performance, so AIG doled out these "retention" bonuses instead. And the value of these retention bonuses is seriously in question if AIG never really needed to pay extra to retain this personnel, which I personally believe they didn't.
I personally believe these "retention" bonuses were a ruse cooked up by management to suck a few more dollars out of the company before it sank to the ocean bottom. So if DeSantis is "owed" these bonuses, it's only in the sense that someone up above agreed to cheat the shareholders by paying these bonuses when they weren't really necessary; they weren't "earned" in any real sense.
But all of this is really secondary to the tone of DeSantis' letter. He acts like he's a victim because he didn't get to keep his after-tax bonus of $742,006.40 in the middle of a global depression. And he really loses his fucking mind when he writes:
"None of us should be cheated of our payments any more than a plumber should be cheated after he has fixed the pipes but a careless electrician causes a fire that burns down the house."
First of all, Jake, you asshole, no plumber in the world gets paid a $740,000 bonus, over and above his salary, just to keep plumbing. Second, try living on a plumber's salary before you even think about comparing yourself to one; you're inviting a pitchfork in the gut by even thinking along those lines. Third, Jake, if you were a plumber, and the electrician burned the house down -- well, guess what? If you and that electrician worked for the same company, you actually wouldn't get paid for that job.
Out in the real world, when your company burns a house down, you're not getting paid by that client. It's only on Wall Street, where the every-man-for-himself ethos is built into an insanely selfish and greed-addled compensation system, that people like you expect to get paid in a bubble -- only there do people expect their performance bonuses no matter how much money the shareholders lose overall, no matter how many people get laid off after the hostile takeover, no matter how ill-considered the mortgages lent out by your division were.
You expect that money because you think it's owed to you. But what money? The money is gone. Your boss, if not you, set it all afire. You want the money, but where exactly do you think it's coming from?
Do you just not understand that that money now would have to come out of someone else's pocket? That it would have to come from middle-class taxpayers, real plumbers, people who didn't make millions over the years in equity and commodity trading?
Here's the real problem with people like Jake DeSantis. Throughout this whole period, they never were able to connect the dots -- to grasp the fact that when they skimmed a million here or a million there off the great rivers of capital that flowed through their offices, that that money came from somewhere, from someone. To them, it wasn't someone else's money, it was just money, and why shouldn't they have it?
It's remarkable that when DeSantis, in his letter, touts the reason he deserves his high compensation, all he can talk about is how much money he made: "The profitability of the businesses with which I was associated clearly supported my compensation."
For a guy like this, his worth as a human being is wrapped up in buying a bag of beans for $10 and selling it for $11. He states this like it's a law of nature: he was a good equities-and-commodities trader, therefore he should make a lot of money.
Only a person with a habitually overinflated sense of self-worth could think he deserves a $700,000 retention bonus, even if it has to be paid by taxpayers, when in reality no one "deserves" that much money. It may be that some people do get paid that much, but most people who make that much money have enough sense to realize their cushy lifestyles are an accident of fate, of birth, of class, not something that is "supported" by some unwritten natural law of compensation.
Hey Jake, it's not like you were curing cancer. You were a fucking commodities trader. Thanks to a completely insane, horribly skewed set of societal values that puts a premium on greed and severely undervalues selflessness, communal spirit and intellectualism -- values that make millionaires out of people like you and leave teachers and nurses, the people who raise your kids and clean your parents' bedpans, comparatively penniless -- you made a lot of money.
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Posted by: RR#1 on Mar 26, 2009 12:14 PM
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» Oh I have been saying the same thing in any forum I can find
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Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on Mar 26, 2009 12:34 PM
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And where's your outrage over the fact that AIG was given billions in taxpayer monies by the Federal government? Do you honestly expect me to give a damn about a measly $165 million in bonuses when the Federal Government trampled the Constitution of the United States to provide AIG with billions' worth of corporate welfare?
Tell me another joke.
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» Ah... that makes sense...
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» Honky, why don't you read the article before you upchuck?
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» RE: Honky, why don't you read the article before you upchuck?
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» RE: Honky, why don't you read the article before you upchuck?
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» What strangeness is this ??
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» Here's your explanation
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» And, for your information, I didn't rate your post.
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» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi?
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» Who's the real idiot?
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» I know I'm not welcome.
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» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi?
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» Unfortunately for you, Longdream
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» RE: Unfortunately for you, Longdream
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» $451MM not $165 MM
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Posted by: EinMD on Mar 26, 2009 12:38 PM
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You know what happens when regular companies are on the rocks and need bail out funds to keep from closing?
They close... and everybody working for them is out of a job.
So shut the fuck up. You get no pity from me. You know how many people are working 10, 12 and 14 hour days for minimum wage right now? You know how many people are currently living in fucking tent cities in California now because of your companies greed??
Go live off the money you have in your off shore hidden accounts or better yet, jump out of a window on the 35th floor somewhere on Wall Street. When you have to decide between eating, paying your electric bill, keeping a roof over your head or being able to drive to your minimum wage job then you can fucking ask for sympathy. Until then screw you and the horse you rode in on.
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Posted by: NthnBrazil on Mar 26, 2009 1:05 PM
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What's that??!?!?! Bankrupt companies don't pay bonuses!!!
Actually, its very common, and particularly in Jake DeSantis's case. You see, Jake ran a business that was still worth something (i.e. the commodities portfolio) after the "bankruptcy" . The Trustee's job in a bankruptcy is to get the most value possible out of the firms remaining assets to pay off the creditors. A million dollar retention bonus to the head of commodities is chicken-feed compared to the 100's of millions that portfolio is potentially worth if sold off properly, and all that money goes to pay back the creditors. In this case, that's the tax-payer.
The reality is, put in the decision makers chair absent the emotion we all would probably decide we wanted someone like Jake DeSantis and his million dollar bonus to stay at AIG because him being there might mean the difference between a $100 million return on his portfolio and a $250 million return. As 80% owners of the company we should care about that.
Could they have hired some fired commodities trader to work for peanuts? Probably, but why would you do that and take the risk on a worse return? Save $1 million and lose $150 million on an unknown quantity when you've got a guy with a proven track record? Why?
But it's much easier to call him a greedy scumbag after the fact and throw him to the wolves.
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» Cleaning house
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .Not one penny for bad investors and speculators we were told
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» That's a separate discussion
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» Who was asking who for proof?
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» Where's the evidence of that?
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» To whit
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» Why would I?
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» You're conflating things
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» Actually. . .
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» Oh ages
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» A couple of things
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» RE: A couple of things// These retention contracts were entered into before the crash
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» For real?
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» Much discussion of this in the reply thread
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 26, 2009 1:12 PM
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Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 26, 2009 2:38 PM
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Don't think it wasn't planned this way.
And what about Karl Rove's testimony in the Seigelman case? What happened to that?
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Posted by: Mewsician on Mar 26, 2009 3:15 PM
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Matt, you have my undying admiration. I'd quit my secure, well-paid job as a writer/editor TOMORROW - and make my husband understand why I just have to do it - just to be one of your fact-checkers. I'd go to my grave thinking my life and talents had not been wasted if I could hit for your team.
And anybody who's revving up to send me a snotty note about misplaced hero worship - piss off. +:)
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» Doing well? More like lying like rug.
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Posted by: Kellie M. Levans on Mar 26, 2009 3:21 PM
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What a great laugh, reading Taibbi's boldness in print!Can't even imagine the time and research these pieces must have taken you, Matt.
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Posted by: skoog5600 on Mar 26, 2009 4:57 PM
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The men in the white suits will be by to pick you up later. Look out your window now, they're here. And don't fight them, it will only make it harder.
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Posted by: megpie71 on Mar 26, 2009 5:51 PM
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I'm in Australia, a country which went from being in the middle of an economic boom to being in the middle of a recession (within the space of about a week). I was employed when the news broke, on a short term contract. I'm now in my fifth month of continual unemployment, and I've had to go on the dole just to be able to continue to do things like eating. Our economy, which had been doing quite nicely (to the point where our dollar was trading pretty close to par with the US dollar for a while), is so closely linked to the US economy that when you guys sneeze, we catch the cold.
I spend a lot of time feeling helplessly angry about the circumstances I'm trapped in (unemployed, likely to lose the house because we can't keep up with the mortgage payments, looking at moving in with my in-laws in order to be able to pay off the debt we'll *still* be in once we've sold off the house etc). A lot of my anger is directed toward politicians in the US, and even more of it is directed toward the greedy so-and-sos who decided they were poorly off because they didn't legally own all the money in the world. Reading dispassionate pieces about whichever bit of financial jiggery-pokery has been discovered just feeds my anger, since there's the attitude that "well, it happened and we're not going to do anything about it". Articles like this make me feel as though there may be some hope, because there's the sense of outrage about what's going on.
Given a large proportion of the world outside the US is affected by this particular disaster, it would probably be a good idea to consider showing the rest of us that you give a damn about preventing another such iteration.
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Especially when I read..
the party selling CDS protection didn't have to post any money upfront.When a $100 corporate bond is sold, for example, someone has to show 100 actual dollars. But when you sell a $100 CDS guarantee, you don't have to show a dime."
and
Cassano was selling so-called "naked" CDS deals. In a "naked" CDS, neither party actually holds the underlying loan. In other words, Bank B not only sells CDS protection to Bank A for its mortgage on the Pope — it turns around and sells protection to Bank C for the very same mortgage. This could go on ad nauseam: You could have Banks D through Z also betting on Bank A's mortgage. Unlike traditional insurance, Cassano was offering investors an opportunity to bet that someone else's house would burn down, or take out a term life policy on the guy with AIDS down the street. It was no different from gambling
I mean, how could this kind of thing can go on for years in Western Democracy, it almost gives a feeling like some mafia running this whole thing !!
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Roosevelt presented to Congress a proposal to limit the income of any one
American. At a time of “grave national danger,” the President advised, “no
American citizen ought to have a net income, after he has paid his taxes, of
more than $25,000 a year.”1 The nation’s “discrepancies between low personal
incomes and very high personal incomes,” FDR urged, “should be lessened.”2
Not all Americans would agree. The New York Herald Tribune quickly
labeled FDR’s $25,000 limit — about $300,000 in current dollars — “a blatant
piece of demagoguery.”3Many wealthy Americans, adds historian Kenneth
Davis, felt “angry outrage.” But few newspapers across the country would, in
the end, echo the Herald Tribune’s fury, and wealthy Americans, by and large,
would keep their outrage “prudently muted.”4 Hardly any average Americans,
the wealthy realized, shared their anger. The President, most Americans
believed, was merely stating what needed to be said. At a time of national crisis,
the rich needed to pay more in taxes, a great deal more.5 No one in their
right mind, most Americans agreed, could possibly object to that notion.
Sixty years later, another American President, George W. Bush, would
object to that notion. Amid a new national crisis, a war against terror, this
President would insist that America’s wealthiest citizens should pay not more in
taxes, but less, a great deal less.
http://www.greedandgood.org/
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TRUTHERS UNITE! WE WILL EAT BEN AFFLECK BECAUSE HE WAS BEHIND THE 3 TOWER EXPLOSION! SQUIRRELS WERE TRAINED AND GENETICALLY ENGINEERED TO RANSACK THE PENTAGON! MIDGETS! 9/11! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
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Posted by: Jonalist on Mar 27, 2009 5:12 AM
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It is tough to make contracts when you own a major industry which supports the industry, I mean airline industry & AIG owns its own solution which it insures. Those aircraft are huge to small & the total is enormous compared to other business which has taken a bailout to stay in business. If AIG cannot obtain the money which it wants to set those in business through 2020 then AIG Execs are failing their purpose. To buy a aircraft is one thing to lease what you bought entirely another, AIG is saying their ownership is actually a partial order begun in Dec 2008 for aircraft which would be received in 2009 & be leased through 2020 making taxpayers now the owner & manager of aircraft & leases. If AIG cannot meet the point of sale (pay for the items bought) someone else could purchase & that would set back ILFC whom the purchase is for, the waiting list is long & most airlines would purchase if ILFC did not through AIG' funding bailout. Now it looks that Taxpayers would have to eat the contracts if AIG does not receive enough money for this to work for ILFC & that could mean a loss of money for the Fed's whom has given AIG money earlier during the Bush Administration under Geithner & during the Obama Administration under Geithner. It looks to me that a few big bonus payments could have been directed to administrators & employees of ILFC but I have to confirm with names & I do not have the names of individuals that received bonus payments from AIG, no one was allowed to know who was to receive a bonus. ILFC would have had no control over a choice to obtaion a Bonus.
The International Lease Finance Corp (ILFC) is owned by AIG not entirely part of the AIG Bailout cause they kept that under wraps until they released the news of it to the SEC recently in reports filled with the SEC. American International Group Inc.'s aircraft-leasing unit is seeking to refinance billions of dollars in order stay in business. ILFC, which leases jets to airlines, has been up for sale. AIG is selling business units to help repay part of its debt to the U.S. government, which has extended $182.5 billion to the company to keep it in business. The ILFC needs additional financing to stay in business. As a full-service lessor, ILFC delivers a wide array of valuable services via the operating lease including fleet planning & rationalization, revenue & route analysis, product support programs, & more. The ILFC team develops, negotiates, executes & closes complex transactions from traditional operating leases & fleet renewals to structured financings. With a diverse portfolio approaching one thousand modern Boeing & Airbus jet aircraft, ILFC is uniquely positioned to address the growing demand for aircraft leasing by offering the most cost-effective & flexible options in the business. (Part 1-3)
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ILFC has 180 full-time employees, which is not labor intensive. ILFC's employees are subject to AIG’s Code of Conduct designed to assure that all employees perform their duties with honesty & integrity. In addition, ILFC's, directors & officers are subject to AIG’s Director, Executive Officer, & Senior Financial Officer Code of Business Conduct & Ethics. Both of these Codes appear in the Corporate Governance section of www.aigcorporate.com. The ILFC business is actually capital intensive. None the ILFC employees is covered by a collective bargaining agreement & ILFC believes that they maintain excellent employee relations. ILFC provides certain employee benefits including retirement, health, life, disability & accident insurance plans, some of which are established & maintained by our parent, AIG (Like UAW has for Union Workers selected to serve Automakers - monopolized). ILFC lessees are required to carry those types of insurance which are customary in the air transportation industry, including comprehensive liability insurance & aircraft hull insurance. In general, ILFC is an additional insured on liability policies carried by the lessees. ILFC obtains certificates of insurance from the lessees’ insurance brokers. All certificates of insurance contain a breach of warranty endorsement so that ILFC's interests are not prejudiced by any act or omission of the operator-lessee. Lease agreements generally require hull & liability limits to be in U.S. dollars, which are shown on the certificate of insurance.
The Company is incorporated in the State of California & its principal offices are located at:
International Lease Finance Corp (ILFC)
10250 Constellation Blvd., Suite 3400
Los Angeles, California 90067
Telephone Number: (310) 788-1999
Facsimile Number: (310) 788-1990
Website address
I.R.S. Employer Identification No.: 22-3059110
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Registered: New York Stock Exchange
As of June 30, 2008 & March 24, 2009, there were 45,267,723 shares of Common Stock, no par value, outstanding, all of which were held by affiliates.
These are contracts with:
Airbus, Boeing, CFM International Engines, Engine Alliance Engines, General Electric Engines, International Aero Engines, Pratt & Whitney Engines, and Rolls-Royce Engines.
ILFC leases the full line of both Airbus & Boeing aircraft.
Worldwide Customers:
(a) North America: United States, Canada, Mexico.
(b) Central America: Caymen Islands, Jamaica, Panama.
(c) South America: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Trinidad & Tobago, Venezuela.
(d) Western Europe: Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Malta, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, The Netherlands, United Kingdom.
(e) Eastern Europe: Belarus, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Georgia, Hungry, Lativa, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine.
(f) Africa: Cape Verde, Madagascar, Mauritania, Mauritius, Reunion Island, Seychelles, South Africa, Tunisia.
(g) Middle East: Israel, Jordan, Oman, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Yemenia.
(h) Asia: China Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Macau, Malaysia, Pakistan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam.
(i) Australia & Oceania: Australia, New Zealand.
As of December 31, 2008, we owned 955 jet aircraft, had nine additional aircraft in the fleet classified as finance & sales-type leases & provided fleet management services for 99 aircraft. At December 31, 2008, we had contracted with Boeing & Airbus to purchase 168 new aircraft, all negotiated in U.S. dollars, for delivery through 2019 with an estimated purchase price of $16.7 billion, of which 49 will deliver in 2009 with an estimated aggregate purchase price of $3.0 billion.
On March 12, 2009, ILFC borrowed $800 million from AIG Funding to fund our contractual obligations through the end of March 2009. The note is payable upon demand, but otherwise in full upon maturity, which will be the earlier of our sale by AIG or December 31, 2009. ILFC must also use any proceeds from the secured financings we are seeking to repay the note. AIG has also approved an additional $900 million loan to be provided on the same terms by AIG Funding on March 30, 2009 to fund our contractual obligations through the end of April 2009, which is subject to receiving consent of the NY Fed. ILFC has been advised by AIG that AIG will continue to support our short-term liquidity needs through the earlier of our sale or March 2010.
AIG is required to repay the credit facility with the NY Fed primarily from proceeds on sales of assets, including businesses. AIG has announced significant restructuring of its businesses, including an intent to divest itself of non-core businesses, including ILFC. ILFC currently being marketed for divestiture from AIG. If AIG sells 51% or more of ILFC equity interests without ILFC's lenders’ consent, it would be an event of default under ILFC bank term loans & revolving credit agreements & would allow ILFC lenders to declare the ILFC debt immediately due & payable. In addition, an event of default or declaration of acceleration under the ILFC's bank term loans & revolving credit agreements could also result in an event of default under our other debt agreements, including the indentures governing ILFC public debt. Taxpayers are 80% in this grid.
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Posted by: D_Gold on Mar 27, 2009 7:27 AM
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Here in the UK we are getting a load of crap at the moment from the right wing press about how such anti-banker sentiment (one had his windows broken) is threatening the rule of law!
That bankers should be grateful for a job let alone a bonus never seems to occur to them. Concepts such as mistake, failed, shame, and humility are totally alien. I would feel embarrassed to work for such a company and I would not claim any bonus due to help the company and its customers out. In my own firm (electricians) we the staff agreed to freeze pay to help the firm and our jobs.
I find it ironic bankers were happy to lobby & evade laws and regulations when it came to earning bonuses (try reconciling 'duty of care' to employers with NINJA borrowers), but are sticklers for the law when it comes to keeping the cash. Then the greedy schmucks who caused this mess threaten us with leaving! Please DO! And spare us any more cr@p about why your obscene pay reflects high risk when your company is one of the handful the government deems too big to fail!
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Mar 27, 2009 8:48 AM
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I'm sure we can get another legal opinion from him to say that it would be OK to use those same tactics on the thieves Wall Street.
Oops we lost another, Charlie bring in the next one and this time use less water so we can also find out where their off shore accounts are buried.
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Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Mar 27, 2009 9:46 AM
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"no change" from Bush.
If Obama's "no one is above the law" is to be believed,
Obama must soon Appoint a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR for all Bush officials who violated Our
Federal Laws (including Torture) and our Constitution
Avoiding prosecution of these well known Federal Crimes is an Admission by Obama
that He Supports Immunity for Bush, Cheney and Himself,
proving to all voters that high US officials
are protected from Federal Laws & our US Constitution
by their successors.
SIGN The PETITION To Prosecute Bush & Cheney for Torture
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 27, 2009 10:10 AM
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Obama is a sellout to the rich. Right down the street from the Whitehouse there's folks that bad economic policy has made to sleep on the street. What's Big O's response, 'Fuck 'em, they're lazy.'
It's time to use the power of the Declaration of Independance and remove this jerk and the whole government from power. They piss on half the country and use us to support the rest. I thought there was a chance that 'change' was coming to DC but the truth is 'change' is all we'll have left in our pockets from Uncle Tom's policies.
It's time to light the torches of FREEDOM and boot these petty Tyrants out.
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Posted by: Gregsdiary on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 AM
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The Times is just another part of a societal structure based on greed trying to preserve itself and bulwark the culture it thrives in.
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Posted by: billwald on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 AM
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Second, if congress can change this person's labor contract then contract can change any labor union contract. For example, the Machinists contract mandated a bonus if Boeing stock closed over a specified amount on a particular day. Can Congress also invalidate this clause in a worker's contract after the fact?
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Posted by: FeralCat on Mar 27, 2009 10:42 AM
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I like his brashhumor. We need more of it nowadays. Everything else is so canned.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 27, 2009 12:37 PM
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Behind every rich guy is a crime and there will come a reckoning....
1789.
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Had to comment on this: Out in the real world, when your company burns a house down, you're not getting paid by that client.
Unless you're KBR, of course, and the client is the Defense Dept. Then the electrician gets paid twice -- once to burn down the house, and then again to fix what they effed up the first time.
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Posted by: sausage on Mar 27, 2009 1:37 PM
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But if anyone should fool himself that AIG is the only corporation in town handing out gigantic bonuses for the monumental fuck ups of incompetent boobs, he's got another think coming.
The culture of bonus entitlement permeates the master of business administration class from the boardrooms on Wall Street to federal agencies to local school boards. Wherever some asshole has an MBA he thinks he is entitled to a bonus just for being who he thinks he is! Somehow this piece of sheepskin, the MBA degree, confers upon this sorry asshole magical powers which entitle to a bonus even if he is a proven failure.
Kristallmighty! we should all have MBAs! It's the real life equivalent of a Monopoly game "Get Out of Jail Free" card!
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Get everybody revved up, more angry, and beat up on the whole gang -- never mind finding truth or seeking out those more culpable in this mess (most of whom, I gather, left A.I.G. months ago).
Instead, make snide, nasty comments about ONE guy who at least did something responsible with his bonus money.
This attitude is one of the reasons I have such a hard time believing in even progressives to do a better job in the financial services industry. It's easy to let your bitterness spill over into the blogosphere and demonize people who had nothing to do with this mess. It's also intellectually lazy and shows me that you split the world into black and white, good and bad, without ever having to take responsibility for constructive options or alternatives.
In short, this attitude is a whole lot like the Bush Administration's simplistic view of the world!
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When did progressives start promoting the slavery of one class as the cure for the slavery of another?
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the former president run by corporations
the present president run by corporations
Congress run by corporations
Senate run by corporations
Pentagon run by corporations
the State Dept. run by corporations
the Dept of Education run by corporations
FDA run by corporations
EPA run by corporations
CIA run by corporations
The Supreme Court run by corporations
Dept. of Justice run by corporations
Health Care run by corporations
Wall Street run by corporations
Two wars run by corporations
State governments run by corporations
Local governments run by corporations
The problem with taking back this country we have loved and cherished over the years is that we no longer own it. We are only visitors now and must abide by the corporate owners wishes, otherwise we will be asked to leave. Citizens have been reduced to the same tenuous position that illegals are in after they cross the U.S. border into this country.
We are here but without any say in the way things get done or if they get done. Without real protection and the bonuses that the corporate folks have we are forced to rely on social programs which at any moment could fail due to corporate interference which have put them into certain peril. And much like other trespassers into this country we are not welcomed unless we will work for less that what we need to live. But just like those workers we will have to pool our resources and crowd into communal living accommodations to preserve our precious money.
One thing though, when they kick us out of their country where will we go?
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Australia is a beautiful country and I hope things get better down there. Our country used to be beautiful but has become ugly due to greed by those who were well off to begin with. They don't really represent what America stands for although you may not be able to tell these days. We as citizens of the U.S. are trying to right this ship but the winds are so fierce our voices cannot be heard, the currents so strong that they threaten to tear the ship apart and to add insult to injury our captain has been made blind.
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Posted by: Eddie Van Helsing on Mar 26, 2009 12:34 PM
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And where's your outrage over the fact that AIG was given billions in taxpayer monies by the Federal government? Do you honestly expect me to give a damn about a measly $165 million in bonuses when the Federal Government trampled the Constitution of the United States to provide AIG with billions' worth of corporate welfare?
Tell me another joke.
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» And, for your information, I didn't rate your post.
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» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi?
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» Spare me Eddie Van Helsing - you're an idiot!
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» Eddie Van Helsing = Honky the Nihilist.
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» RE: Spare me Eddie Van Helsing - you're an idiot!
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» Who's the real idiot?
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» I know I'm not welcome.
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» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi?
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» Unfortunately for you, Longdream
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» RE: Unfortunately for you, Longdream
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» RE: Unfortunately for you, Longdream
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» RE: You call this journalism, Matt Taibbi?
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» $451MM not $165 MM
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Posted by: EinMD on Mar 26, 2009 12:38 PM
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You know what happens when regular companies are on the rocks and need bail out funds to keep from closing?
They close... and everybody working for them is out of a job.
So shut the fuck up. You get no pity from me. You know how many people are working 10, 12 and 14 hour days for minimum wage right now? You know how many people are currently living in fucking tent cities in California now because of your companies greed??
Go live off the money you have in your off shore hidden accounts or better yet, jump out of a window on the 35th floor somewhere on Wall Street. When you have to decide between eating, paying your electric bill, keeping a roof over your head or being able to drive to your minimum wage job then you can fucking ask for sympathy. Until then screw you and the horse you rode in on.
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Posted by: NthnBrazil on Mar 26, 2009 1:05 PM
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What's that??!?!?! Bankrupt companies don't pay bonuses!!!
Actually, its very common, and particularly in Jake DeSantis's case. You see, Jake ran a business that was still worth something (i.e. the commodities portfolio) after the "bankruptcy" . The Trustee's job in a bankruptcy is to get the most value possible out of the firms remaining assets to pay off the creditors. A million dollar retention bonus to the head of commodities is chicken-feed compared to the 100's of millions that portfolio is potentially worth if sold off properly, and all that money goes to pay back the creditors. In this case, that's the tax-payer.
The reality is, put in the decision makers chair absent the emotion we all would probably decide we wanted someone like Jake DeSantis and his million dollar bonus to stay at AIG because him being there might mean the difference between a $100 million return on his portfolio and a $250 million return. As 80% owners of the company we should care about that.
Could they have hired some fired commodities trader to work for peanuts? Probably, but why would you do that and take the risk on a worse return? Save $1 million and lose $150 million on an unknown quantity when you've got a guy with a proven track record? Why?
But it's much easier to call him a greedy scumbag after the fact and throw him to the wolves.
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» Cleaning house
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .Not one penny for bad investors and speculators we were told
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» That's a separate discussion
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» One fine point
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» RE: One fine point// I know nothing of technicalities Just know the results of these derivatives
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» Who was asking who for proof?
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» I assume your actually replying to me and not brunowe
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» RE: I assume your actually replying to me and not brunowe
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» Where's the evidence of that?
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» RE: Where's the evidence of that?
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» This is the most backwards part of Taibbi's argument
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» The idea that he wasn't part of the problem is ludicrous
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» To whit
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» RE: EXCUSE ME.
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» Why would I?
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» RE: Why would I?
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» You're conflating things
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» RE: I'm not talking about "Investment Banking" or commodities trading
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» Then I've lost the plot
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» RE: Why would I?
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» Actually. . .
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» RE: Actually. . .
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» Oh ages
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» RE: Why would I?
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» A couple of things
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» RE: A couple of things// These retention contracts were entered into before the crash
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» RE: A couple of MORE things
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» We seem stuck on this "just as badly" thing
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» RE: We seem stuck on this "just as badly" thing--No we're not.
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» Where is the evidence that anything illegal was done by the AIG commodities desk?
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» You say To-mah-to, I say To-may-to
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» What a laugh!!
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» Playing the game means knowing the rules
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» The point is, you're last line is a lie you tell to yourself.
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» I understand your frustration, but why the personal attacks?
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» For real?
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» Much discussion of this in the reply thread
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» RE: Much discussion of this in the reply thread
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» RE: Here's the problem. . . .
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» Way too much on this in the reply thread to re-hash
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Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 26, 2009 1:12 PM
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;)
#@!
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» And how long would it be before....
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Mar 26, 2009 1:30 PM
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» Richard Shelby's would be the house to protest
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» Are you?
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Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 26, 2009 2:38 PM
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Don't think it wasn't planned this way.
And what about Karl Rove's testimony in the Seigelman case? What happened to that?
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» Moron
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» Don't look now, but the Black Helicopters are coming!
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» Moron
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» Moron
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» Temper, temper.
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» RE: Taibbi is still working for Bush/Cheney . . .
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» Oy vey?
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» RE: Oy vey?
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» RE: Oy vey?
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» RE: Oy vey?
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» RE: Oy vey?
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» RE: Oy vey?
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» dustdevil = conspiranoid whack job/anti-Semite.
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» Quannah, the trolls are endorsing you . . .
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» Yeah, and who endorses you? The brain-dead?
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» Moron
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» Cretin.
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» If you don't have a plausible answer . . .
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Posted by: Mewsician on Mar 26, 2009 3:15 PM
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Matt, you have my undying admiration. I'd quit my secure, well-paid job as a writer/editor TOMORROW - and make my husband understand why I just have to do it - just to be one of your fact-checkers. I'd go to my grave thinking my life and talents had not been wasted if I could hit for your team.
And anybody who's revving up to send me a snotty note about misplaced hero worship - piss off. +:)
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» Fact checking? What do you know about fact checking?
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» Moron
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» Cretin
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» Moron
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» Moron
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» RE: Cretin
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» Right-wing trolls hanging out together . . .
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» Look mom! The lunatic is back.
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» RE: Fact checking? What do you know about fact checking?
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» I know I am doing well . . .
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» Doing well? More like lying like rug.
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» Sub-moron
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» Sub-moron
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» Another double post?
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» No. Are you?
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» RE: WAY TO GO, MATT
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Posted by: Kellie M. Levans on Mar 26, 2009 3:21 PM
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What a great laugh, reading Taibbi's boldness in print!Can't even imagine the time and research these pieces must have taken you, Matt.
-Kellie Levans-
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Posted by: skoog5600 on Mar 26, 2009 4:57 PM
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The men in the white suits will be by to pick you up later. Look out your window now, they're here. And don't fight them, it will only make it harder.
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» Hey, Skoog . . .
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Posted by: megpie71 on Mar 26, 2009 5:51 PM
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I'm in Australia, a country which went from being in the middle of an economic boom to being in the middle of a recession (within the space of about a week). I was employed when the news broke, on a short term contract. I'm now in my fifth month of continual unemployment, and I've had to go on the dole just to be able to continue to do things like eating. Our economy, which had been doing quite nicely (to the point where our dollar was trading pretty close to par with the US dollar for a while), is so closely linked to the US economy that when you guys sneeze, we catch the cold.
I spend a lot of time feeling helplessly angry about the circumstances I'm trapped in (unemployed, likely to lose the house because we can't keep up with the mortgage payments, looking at moving in with my in-laws in order to be able to pay off the debt we'll *still* be in once we've sold off the house etc). A lot of my anger is directed toward politicians in the US, and even more of it is directed toward the greedy so-and-sos who decided they were poorly off because they didn't legally own all the money in the world. Reading dispassionate pieces about whichever bit of financial jiggery-pokery has been discovered just feeds my anger, since there's the attitude that "well, it happened and we're not going to do anything about it". Articles like this make me feel as though there may be some hope, because there's the sense of outrage about what's going on.
Given a large proportion of the world outside the US is affected by this particular disaster, it would probably be a good idea to consider showing the rest of us that you give a damn about preventing another such iteration.
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Posted by: KAvatar on Mar 26, 2009 6:52 PM
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Especially when I read..
the party selling CDS protection didn't have to post any money upfront.When a $100 corporate bond is sold, for example, someone has to show 100 actual dollars. But when you sell a $100 CDS guarantee, you don't have to show a dime."
and
Cassano was selling so-called "naked" CDS deals. In a "naked" CDS, neither party actually holds the underlying loan. In other words, Bank B not only sells CDS protection to Bank A for its mortgage on the Pope — it turns around and sells protection to Bank C for the very same mortgage. This could go on ad nauseam: You could have Banks D through Z also betting on Bank A's mortgage. Unlike traditional insurance, Cassano was offering investors an opportunity to bet that someone else's house would burn down, or take out a term life policy on the guy with AIDS down the street. It was no different from gambling
I mean, how could this kind of thing can go on for years in Western Democracy, it almost gives a feeling like some mafia running this whole thing !!
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Posted by: RR#1 on Mar 26, 2009 8:36 PM
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Roosevelt presented to Congress a proposal to limit the income of any one
American. At a time of “grave national danger,” the President advised, “no
American citizen ought to have a net income, after he has paid his taxes, of
more than $25,000 a year.”1 The nation’s “discrepancies between low personal
incomes and very high personal incomes,” FDR urged, “should be lessened.”2
Not all Americans would agree. The New York Herald Tribune quickly
labeled FDR’s $25,000 limit — about $300,000 in current dollars — “a blatant
piece of demagoguery.”3Many wealthy Americans, adds historian Kenneth
Davis, felt “angry outrage.” But few newspapers across the country would, in
the end, echo the Herald Tribune’s fury, and wealthy Americans, by and large,
would keep their outrage “prudently muted.”4 Hardly any average Americans,
the wealthy realized, shared their anger. The President, most Americans
believed, was merely stating what needed to be said. At a time of national crisis,
the rich needed to pay more in taxes, a great deal more.5 No one in their
right mind, most Americans agreed, could possibly object to that notion.
Sixty years later, another American President, George W. Bush, would
object to that notion. Amid a new national crisis, a war against terror, this
President would insist that America’s wealthiest citizens should pay not more in
taxes, but less, a great deal less.
http://www.greedandgood.org/
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Posted by: Eat Politicians on Mar 27, 2009 12:02 AM
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TRUTHERS UNITE! WE WILL EAT BEN AFFLECK BECAUSE HE WAS BEHIND THE 3 TOWER EXPLOSION! SQUIRRELS WERE TRAINED AND GENETICALLY ENGINEERED TO RANSACK THE PENTAGON! MIDGETS! 9/11! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
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» You sad salamander of shit.
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» You have one already--between your ears.
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» This adolescent behavior . . .
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» Poor cretin got his ass kicked
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» By all means, let's get the vacuum cleaner.
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» This is getting to be fun . . .
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» RE: This is getting to be fun . . .
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» Moronic drivel . . .
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» RE: Moronic drivel . . .
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» Signing off now . . .
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» Better yet, go back to www.freerepublic.com where you belong, wing-nut.
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» Signing off now . . .
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Posted by: Jonalist on Mar 27, 2009 5:12 AM
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It is tough to make contracts when you own a major industry which supports the industry, I mean airline industry & AIG owns its own solution which it insures. Those aircraft are huge to small & the total is enormous compared to other business which has taken a bailout to stay in business. If AIG cannot obtain the money which it wants to set those in business through 2020 then AIG Execs are failing their purpose. To buy a aircraft is one thing to lease what you bought entirely another, AIG is saying their ownership is actually a partial order begun in Dec 2008 for aircraft which would be received in 2009 & be leased through 2020 making taxpayers now the owner & manager of aircraft & leases. If AIG cannot meet the point of sale (pay for the items bought) someone else could purchase & that would set back ILFC whom the purchase is for, the waiting list is long & most airlines would purchase if ILFC did not through AIG' funding bailout. Now it looks that Taxpayers would have to eat the contracts if AIG does not receive enough money for this to work for ILFC & that could mean a loss of money for the Fed's whom has given AIG money earlier during the Bush Administration under Geithner & during the Obama Administration under Geithner. It looks to me that a few big bonus payments could have been directed to administrators & employees of ILFC but I have to confirm with names & I do not have the names of individuals that received bonus payments from AIG, no one was allowed to know who was to receive a bonus. ILFC would have had no control over a choice to obtaion a Bonus.
The International Lease Finance Corp (ILFC) is owned by AIG not entirely part of the AIG Bailout cause they kept that under wraps until they released the news of it to the SEC recently in reports filled with the SEC. American International Group Inc.'s aircraft-leasing unit is seeking to refinance billions of dollars in order stay in business. ILFC, which leases jets to airlines, has been up for sale. AIG is selling business units to help repay part of its debt to the U.S. government, which has extended $182.5 billion to the company to keep it in business. The ILFC needs additional financing to stay in business. As a full-service lessor, ILFC delivers a wide array of valuable services via the operating lease including fleet planning & rationalization, revenue & route analysis, product support programs, & more. The ILFC team develops, negotiates, executes & closes complex transactions from traditional operating leases & fleet renewals to structured financings. With a diverse portfolio approaching one thousand modern Boeing & Airbus jet aircraft, ILFC is uniquely positioned to address the growing demand for aircraft leasing by offering the most cost-effective & flexible options in the business. (Part 1-3)
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ILFC has 180 full-time employees, which is not labor intensive. ILFC's employees are subject to AIG’s Code of Conduct designed to assure that all employees perform their duties with honesty & integrity. In addition, ILFC's, directors & officers are subject to AIG’s Director, Executive Officer, & Senior Financial Officer Code of Business Conduct & Ethics. Both of these Codes appear in the Corporate Governance section of www.aigcorporate.com. The ILFC business is actually capital intensive. None the ILFC employees is covered by a collective bargaining agreement & ILFC believes that they maintain excellent employee relations. ILFC provides certain employee benefits including retirement, health, life, disability & accident insurance plans, some of which are established & maintained by our parent, AIG (Like UAW has for Union Workers selected to serve Automakers - monopolized). ILFC lessees are required to carry those types of insurance which are customary in the air transportation industry, including comprehensive liability insurance & aircraft hull insurance. In general, ILFC is an additional insured on liability policies carried by the lessees. ILFC obtains certificates of insurance from the lessees’ insurance brokers. All certificates of insurance contain a breach of warranty endorsement so that ILFC's interests are not prejudiced by any act or omission of the operator-lessee. Lease agreements generally require hull & liability limits to be in U.S. dollars, which are shown on the certificate of insurance.
The Company is incorporated in the State of California & its principal offices are located at:
International Lease Finance Corp (ILFC)
10250 Constellation Blvd., Suite 3400
Los Angeles, California 90067
Telephone Number: (310) 788-1999
Facsimile Number: (310) 788-1990
Website address
I.R.S. Employer Identification No.: 22-3059110
(Part 2-3)
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Registered: New York Stock Exchange
As of June 30, 2008 & March 24, 2009, there were 45,267,723 shares of Common Stock, no par value, outstanding, all of which were held by affiliates.
These are contracts with:
Airbus, Boeing, CFM International Engines, Engine Alliance Engines, General Electric Engines, International Aero Engines, Pratt & Whitney Engines, and Rolls-Royce Engines.
ILFC leases the full line of both Airbus & Boeing aircraft.
Worldwide Customers:
(a) North America: United States, Canada, Mexico.
(b) Central America: Caymen Islands, Jamaica, Panama.
(c) South America: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Trinidad & Tobago, Venezuela.
(d) Western Europe: Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Malta, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, The Netherlands, United Kingdom.
(e) Eastern Europe: Belarus, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Georgia, Hungry, Lativa, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, Serbia, Turkey, Ukraine.
(f) Africa: Cape Verde, Madagascar, Mauritania, Mauritius, Reunion Island, Seychelles, South Africa, Tunisia.
(g) Middle East: Israel, Jordan, Oman, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Yemenia.
(h) Asia: China Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Macau, Malaysia, Pakistan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam.
(i) Australia & Oceania: Australia, New Zealand.
As of December 31, 2008, we owned 955 jet aircraft, had nine additional aircraft in the fleet classified as finance & sales-type leases & provided fleet management services for 99 aircraft. At December 31, 2008, we had contracted with Boeing & Airbus to purchase 168 new aircraft, all negotiated in U.S. dollars, for delivery through 2019 with an estimated purchase price of $16.7 billion, of which 49 will deliver in 2009 with an estimated aggregate purchase price of $3.0 billion.
On March 12, 2009, ILFC borrowed $800 million from AIG Funding to fund our contractual obligations through the end of March 2009. The note is payable upon demand, but otherwise in full upon maturity, which will be the earlier of our sale by AIG or December 31, 2009. ILFC must also use any proceeds from the secured financings we are seeking to repay the note. AIG has also approved an additional $900 million loan to be provided on the same terms by AIG Funding on March 30, 2009 to fund our contractual obligations through the end of April 2009, which is subject to receiving consent of the NY Fed. ILFC has been advised by AIG that AIG will continue to support our short-term liquidity needs through the earlier of our sale or March 2010.
AIG is required to repay the credit facility with the NY Fed primarily from proceeds on sales of assets, including businesses. AIG has announced significant restructuring of its businesses, including an intent to divest itself of non-core businesses, including ILFC. ILFC currently being marketed for divestiture from AIG. If AIG sells 51% or more of ILFC equity interests without ILFC's lenders’ consent, it would be an event of default under ILFC bank term loans & revolving credit agreements & would allow ILFC lenders to declare the ILFC debt immediately due & payable. In addition, an event of default or declaration of acceleration under the ILFC's bank term loans & revolving credit agreements could also result in an event of default under our other debt agreements, including the indentures governing ILFC public debt. Taxpayers are 80% in this grid.
(Part 3-3)
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Posted by: D_Gold on Mar 27, 2009 7:27 AM
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Here in the UK we are getting a load of crap at the moment from the right wing press about how such anti-banker sentiment (one had his windows broken) is threatening the rule of law!
That bankers should be grateful for a job let alone a bonus never seems to occur to them. Concepts such as mistake, failed, shame, and humility are totally alien. I would feel embarrassed to work for such a company and I would not claim any bonus due to help the company and its customers out. In my own firm (electricians) we the staff agreed to freeze pay to help the firm and our jobs.
I find it ironic bankers were happy to lobby & evade laws and regulations when it came to earning bonuses (try reconciling 'duty of care' to employers with NINJA borrowers), but are sticklers for the law when it comes to keeping the cash. Then the greedy schmucks who caused this mess threaten us with leaving! Please DO! And spare us any more cr@p about why your obscene pay reflects high risk when your company is one of the handful the government deems too big to fail!
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I'm sure we can get another legal opinion from him to say that it would be OK to use those same tactics on the thieves Wall Street.
Oops we lost another, Charlie bring in the next one and this time use less water so we can also find out where their off shore accounts are buried.
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Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Mar 27, 2009 9:46 AM
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"no change" from Bush.
If Obama's "no one is above the law" is to be believed,
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Federal Laws (including Torture) and our Constitution
Avoiding prosecution of these well known Federal Crimes is an Admission by Obama
that He Supports Immunity for Bush, Cheney and Himself,
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are protected from Federal Laws & our US Constitution
by their successors.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 27, 2009 10:10 AM
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Obama is a sellout to the rich. Right down the street from the Whitehouse there's folks that bad economic policy has made to sleep on the street. What's Big O's response, 'Fuck 'em, they're lazy.'
It's time to use the power of the Declaration of Independance and remove this jerk and the whole government from power. They piss on half the country and use us to support the rest. I thought there was a chance that 'change' was coming to DC but the truth is 'change' is all we'll have left in our pockets from Uncle Tom's policies.
It's time to light the torches of FREEDOM and boot these petty Tyrants out.
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Posted by: Gregsdiary on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 AM
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The Times is just another part of a societal structure based on greed trying to preserve itself and bulwark the culture it thrives in.
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Posted by: billwald on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 AM
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Second, if congress can change this person's labor contract then contract can change any labor union contract. For example, the Machinists contract mandated a bonus if Boeing stock closed over a specified amount on a particular day. Can Congress also invalidate this clause in a worker's contract after the fact?
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Posted by: FeralCat on Mar 27, 2009 10:42 AM
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I like his brashhumor. We need more of it nowadays. Everything else is so canned.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 27, 2009 12:37 PM
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Behind every rich guy is a crime and there will come a reckoning....
1789.
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» Webster defines liberal as being open-minded . . .
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» Webster defines liberal as being open-minded . . .
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Posted by: westomoon on Mar 27, 2009 1:25 PM
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Had to comment on this: Out in the real world, when your company burns a house down, you're not getting paid by that client.
Unless you're KBR, of course, and the client is the Defense Dept. Then the electrician gets paid twice -- once to burn down the house, and then again to fix what they effed up the first time.
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Posted by: sausage on Mar 27, 2009 1:37 PM
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But if anyone should fool himself that AIG is the only corporation in town handing out gigantic bonuses for the monumental fuck ups of incompetent boobs, he's got another think coming.
The culture of bonus entitlement permeates the master of business administration class from the boardrooms on Wall Street to federal agencies to local school boards. Wherever some asshole has an MBA he thinks he is entitled to a bonus just for being who he thinks he is! Somehow this piece of sheepskin, the MBA degree, confers upon this sorry asshole magical powers which entitle to a bonus even if he is a proven failure.
Kristallmighty! we should all have MBAs! It's the real life equivalent of a Monopoly game "Get Out of Jail Free" card!
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Posted by: MaBelle on Mar 27, 2009 4:26 PM
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Get everybody revved up, more angry, and beat up on the whole gang -- never mind finding truth or seeking out those more culpable in this mess (most of whom, I gather, left A.I.G. months ago).
Instead, make snide, nasty comments about ONE guy who at least did something responsible with his bonus money.
This attitude is one of the reasons I have such a hard time believing in even progressives to do a better job in the financial services industry. It's easy to let your bitterness spill over into the blogosphere and demonize people who had nothing to do with this mess. It's also intellectually lazy and shows me that you split the world into black and white, good and bad, without ever having to take responsibility for constructive options or alternatives.
In short, this attitude is a whole lot like the Bush Administration's simplistic view of the world!
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» 'Scuse me?
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Posted by: PaulD on Mar 28, 2009 1:54 PM
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When did progressives start promoting the slavery of one class as the cure for the slavery of another?
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 29, 2009 8:51 AM
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the former president run by corporations
the present president run by corporations
Congress run by corporations
Senate run by corporations
Pentagon run by corporations
the State Dept. run by corporations
the Dept of Education run by corporations
FDA run by corporations
EPA run by corporations
CIA run by corporations
The Supreme Court run by corporations
Dept. of Justice run by corporations
Health Care run by corporations
Wall Street run by corporations
Two wars run by corporations
State governments run by corporations
Local governments run by corporations
The problem with taking back this country we have loved and cherished over the years is that we no longer own it. We are only visitors now and must abide by the corporate owners wishes, otherwise we will be asked to leave. Citizens have been reduced to the same tenuous position that illegals are in after they cross the U.S. border into this country.
We are here but without any say in the way things get done or if they get done. Without real protection and the bonuses that the corporate folks have we are forced to rely on social programs which at any moment could fail due to corporate interference which have put them into certain peril. And much like other trespassers into this country we are not welcomed unless we will work for less that what we need to live. But just like those workers we will have to pool our resources and crowd into communal living accommodations to preserve our precious money.
One thing though, when they kick us out of their country where will we go?
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Australia is a beautiful country and I hope things get better down there. Our country used to be beautiful but has become ugly due to greed by those who were well off to begin with. They don't really represent what America stands for although you may not be able to tell these days. We as citizens of the U.S. are trying to right this ship but the winds are so fierce our voices cannot be heard, the currents so strong that they threaten to tear the ship apart and to add insult to injury our captain has been made blind.
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