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Powerful Banks and Government Handouts to the Rich: It's Time for Protest
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The Rip Off Must Be Stopped!
Big bankers ruined our economy and now they are gaming the political system so they can profit even more off the crisis they caused. They must be stopped.
On April 11th, 2009, the public will come out in cities across the country to express their frustration and disapproval with how our elected officials have handled the economic crisis. No one has been left unscathed; this protest is yours.
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Somehow, we've created a system that protects some of America's wealthiest individuals by letting them build institutions that are "too big to fail." Large scale banking has left our economy unstable, and overly dependent upon too few institutions. Greed for short-term profit, and competitive exuberance, has led to incomprehensible financing schemes and rewards for companies that sold people things they couldn't afford.
But, increasingly, people are realizing that anger at the banks ought also be directed at Congress, and at ourselves. We have created corporations that have left us exposed, unstable, and made it easy for concentrated wealth to exploit the political process.
A new grassroots, bottom-up, organization, has sprung up demanding structural change, and grown from 4 to over 1,000 people in the last week. Their clear and important demand is this: any bank that is too big to fail is too big to exist.
A New Way Forward, a web-based, unfunded, brilliant new organization started by Tiffiney Cheng, Morgan Knudson, Andrew Packer, and Nicholas Reville after watching Simon Johnson talk about nationalization and reorganization on Bill Moyers. They realized that the public protests didn't fit what the public seems to actually want; people want structural change, but most of the outlets for anger had to do with bonuses and short-term fixes. NWF has a three part platform:
NATIONALIZE: Experts agree on the means -- Insolvent banks that are too big to fail must incur a temporary FDIC intervention - no more blank check taxpayer handouts. REORGANIZE: Current CEOs and board members must be removed and bonuses wiped out. The financial elite must share in the cost of what they have caused. DECENTRALIZE: Banks must be broken up and sold back to the private market with new antitrust rules in place-- new banks, managed by new people. Any bank that's "too big to fail" means that it's too big for a free market to function.
The first action is protests and events on April 11. Already, 12 cities are holding events, and eight more are planning them. Word of mouth and email is driving the growth.
NWF is taking this moment to channel our anger at the unfair, wasteful, and dangerously unstable mega-banks into constructive legislation to ensure that our democracy is never so exposed, by so few people, again. It's a great example of the power of the internet to enable collective responses to serious political problems. And it represents a serious intellectual challenge to a set of assumptions that have governed our economic thinking for the last several decades.
There are real advantages to economies of scale. But they only go so far; the disadvantages right now are glaring. We've learned about the instability inherent in concentrated power too well recently; any economy dependent upon so few institutions to provide any key, publicly necessary good is necessarily unstable. Moreover, concentrated wealth necessarily leads to concentrated political power.
A corporation has an obligation to maximize profits, and, if you are one of few big players, one of the best ways to maximize profits is to lobby, and fund media campaigns, and make political donations--to reward and punish.
Luckily, the legal structure needed to break up banks is already there. Call it "trustbusting 2.0." Congress can pass new antitrust laws that limit how large a corporation can ever grow. For now--for good reason--the concern with "too big to fail" corporations is focused on banks, but the logic applies to all corporate power. The modern, webby, trustbusters' intellectual grandparents include Teddy Roosevelt and Thomas Jefferson.
Congress can pass new antitrust laws that limit how large a corporation can ever grow and how much they can exploit access to politics to take public money. The more people that join NWF, the more likely that is to happen.
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Posted by: RR#1 on Mar 25, 2009 8:55 PM
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The demands should be free and universal access to all of these social programs. Work for all people who want to work and a living wage. Let's get going. Our banks were not even in crisis and the government forked over 15 billion. Another banner year for the Banks North of the Border too!
Yours,
RR
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» We've been telling you for years: END THE FED!
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» Only one problem. Jefferson never said that.
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» Politicians can hate and vote for the same thing
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» RE: From Canada: WAY TO GO
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Posted by: Rolomax on Mar 26, 2009 1:09 AM
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A bank that is 'too big to fail' shouldn't fail. It can't fail because it is so big. Right?
If it Still fails, then it is not too big to fail. Therefore, it should cease to exist, which, through the laws of competition, should enable smaller and/or newer and leaner more efficient banks to prosper from their demise. Right?
I have to wonder if we're looking at the correct angle in all of this.
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» RE: Just to be clear and concise
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Mar 26, 2009 1:13 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» Eff that!
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Posted by: -matti on Mar 26, 2009 1:20 AM
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Large street protests may have lost whatever effectiveness they once had in the U.S..
I can practically already hear Obama praising our great "American" rights and traditions of speech, and his understanding that people are "frustrated", and his compassion for the downtrodden, and his reminder that they are "doing what they can" and "working hard" to "fix" things, but that it will "take time",... can't you?
Oh well, have fun kids.
My town is way too little for a masive protest, but I promise to rant on the issue in the tavern that day, OK?
-matti.
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» RE: Sure, I mean look at how successful 2-15-03 was!
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» RE: Sure, I mean look at how successful 2-15-03 was! Change it up
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» RE: Sure, I mean look at how successful 2-15-03 was!
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Posted by: warrior woman on Mar 26, 2009 3:11 AM
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» RE: Anti-trust
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» RE: Anti-trust
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» RE: Anti-trust
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 26, 2009 3:16 AM
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What needs to happen now (aside from the mass protests and all that other neat stuff) is for Weeda Peeple to examine our sick, dysfunctional relationship with Ronald Reagan. So many of us (THEM) are still looking back at the dirty old bastard's administration with fondness and nostalgia.
HELLO???
People have got to made to understand that what is happening to their once-great nation is a direct result of their embrace of the stupid philosophy of a feeble-minded, failed "B" movie actor they so foolishly elected as president of the United States three decades ago.
The first step in overcoming a problem is admitting that you have one (I learned that in A.A.!) It's time that we come to terms with what Reagan did to us.
Stupid, Stupid Democrats
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: losingmyliberties on Mar 26, 2009 3:19 AM
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» The other group
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Posted by: underledge on Mar 26, 2009 3:52 AM
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» Protesteth Mock Protests
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» RE: Why Saturday?
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» Successful protesting requires
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» gimmie shelter
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» RE: Why Saturday?
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Posted by: outlook on Mar 26, 2009 3:57 AM
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» Obama IS the Washington elite
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» RE: Yes we Can
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Posted by: Urgelt on Mar 26, 2009 4:11 AM
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This, finally, is the right thing to do in response to the financial crisis.
Apart from Bill Moyers and maybe some of the New York Times commentary, it's a perspective not getting many column inches or much air time in mainstream media. And that is a terrible danger. Reverse socialism, using vast sums of taxpayer money to protect privileged interests, is surely a road to worse disasters than have already overtaken us.
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» RE: The Right Thing to Do
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 26, 2009 4:26 AM
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It's harder to express the hurt that inspires the anger. But expressing hurt might be more effective than expressing anger. Shouting makes people turn away or shout back. Tears can remind us of our humanity.
So, clear plastic bottles can be picked up for free. Fill with tap water to symbolize human tears. Then use.
1. put a tag around the neck of the bottle with a short slogan ("banks have no heart") or a personal story ("made homeless in 2008").
2. carry it with you if you go on a march
3. raise it high in unison
4. get others and make a display in appropriate places (like the bunch of flowers thing only without the money-making of the flower industry and it's free speech, not littering). You don't have to travel to a big city.
5. keep doing it--it doesn't matter if it starts small; it will grow. Think in front of the Capital Building and the White House.
Even in poor countries the people can show their pain.
Politicians can and will reject anger with argument. They can't afford to react that way to pain.
You heard it first on Alternet, folks.
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» RE: how about this for a no-cost non-violent protest against the misdirection of funds?
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» it's ridiculous
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Posted by: seazen on Mar 26, 2009 4:42 AM
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We need to be "persistent" in the call for more accountability, more oversight, and more social pressure on the vultures that have been simply gaming the system with our money. It looks like Obama is ready to take the first steps. We need to be sure we are supporting his effort and not looking like the small, but vociferous, army of whiners out there.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 26, 2009 5:32 AM
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» RE: We could switch from banks to credit unions and see how that all goes.
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» RE: We could switch from banks to credit unions and see how that all goes.
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» Shop them though
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» Re: Their credit cards have lower interest rates, but it's much more difficult to get one
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» RE: e: Their credit cards have lower interest rates, but it's much more difficult to get one
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» RE: e: Their credit cards have lower interest rates, but it's much more difficult to get one
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Posted by: village1diot on Mar 26, 2009 6:03 AM
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if your city is not listed, signup anyway as they might get more cities listed with enough response.
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» We've been telling you for years: END THE FED!
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» Nice try breaking through the Obama-Bots
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» No, it's Obamabots
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» RE: We've been telling you for years: END THE FED!
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» RE: We've been telling you for years: END THE FED!
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Posted by: Beagle17 on Mar 26, 2009 6:17 AM
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Here is the Digg link.
Please give it a click. Digg does help draw readers to a story. I've heard every registered Digg vote means ten pairs of eyeballs even if the story doesn't go popular.
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» Beagle's digg link is okay.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 26, 2009 7:17 AM
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If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.
Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 26, 2009 6:35 AM
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Now your going to stage your Revolt against an admin that realizes our country was built from the bottom up? Now?
I will not join you - since you all never joined me over the last 30 yrs of Economic Treason. Where were you during the first Blood for Oil Campaign? Home, while some of US were protesting on street corners- cheering on your fearless leader HW? Where was your outrage when Gramm got Clinton to sign the end of the regulatory safeguards put in place after the last time Wall Streeters Fucked this country? Was your hair on fire over NAFTA and it's well foreseen ramifications?
this is like having a Boston Tea party AFTER we won the Revolutionary War!!
Did you just become Politically conscious (or develope a Conscience) Or have you finally gotten the Balls to speak up - now that you know you cna't be hauled off to some secret prison for voicing your dissent.Now you want to actively participate in our Democratic process? Frankly I find your timing about as advantageous as Robert the Bruce's who waited until After Willaim Wallace was tortured and executed to actually join the Fightfor Freedom. He got it, but much needless blood was spilt before he acted. this all could ahve been averted if you all would had picked up a history book or even a dictionary when 'Trickle Down' was re instituted 30 yrs ago! have a cigarette and a real cup of coffee- I hear it speeds up your synapses.Not only re you a 'day ' late- Our nations Now Trillions Short!
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» You are the problem
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» Yap, yap yap!!
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» are you mad?
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» "...on the brink of turning this Treachery around?"
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Mar 26, 2009 6:36 AM
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I remember when there were those record setting global protests over the Iraq war... oh, and all the other protests of it for more than half a decade afterwards and how effective they all were at stopping this war in its tracks.
As long as you are only begging government to please please please please be nice enough to listen to us or we'll ask again politely, you are not going to get very far.
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» Without kindling...
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Posted by: Fog on Mar 26, 2009 8:03 AM
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http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
... The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating. -Thomas Jefferson
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. -James Madison
http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations. -Andrew Jackson
The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. -Abraham Lincoln
Issue of currency should be lodged with the government and be protected from domination by Wall Street. We are opposed to...provisions [which] would place our currency and credit system in private hands. - Theodore Roosevelt
http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
Despite these warnings, Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A few years later he wrote: I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men. -Woodrow Wilson
Years later, reflecting on the major banks' control in Washington, President Franklin Roosevelt paid this indirect praise to his distant predecessor President Andrew Jackson, who had "killed" the 2nd Bank of the US (an earlier type of the Federal Reserve System). After Jackson's administration the bankers' influence was gradually restored and increased, culminating in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Roosevelt knew this history.
The real truth of the matter is,as you and I know, that a financial
element in the large centers has owned the government ever since
the days of Andrew Jackson... -Franklin D. Roosevelt
(in a letter to Colonel House, dated November 21, 1933)
http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
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» A RETIRED AMERICAN CITIZEN
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Mar 26, 2009 8:48 AM
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The problem starts on Capital Hill
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 26, 2009 8:54 AM
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By RALPH NADER
http://www.counterpunch.org/nader02232009.html
We really could teach these banks a tough lesson by hitting them where it hurts the most, their vaults. Credit unions are far more stable, don't do overhead costs, and are generally very community friendly. The banks are only going to stay powerful as long as they have their customers. The more customers banks lose to credit unions, the less government will be able to invent excuses or accept excuses for bailing out the crooked banks.
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» Big Banks did make New York City, Charlotte, Delaware
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» Um, explain please.
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» Have You visited Chalrotte?
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» Lots of massive layoffs in those big banks out there in those cities. Besides,
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» Urban Spraw will make Charlotte relivent anyways
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» RE: Have You visited Chalrotte?
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Mar 26, 2009 9:15 AM
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I have listened to many who say that the Federal Reserve Fractional Banking system is necessary in order to compete internationally, that a currency owned and operated by global corporations makes global commerce possible and that without it global commerce would dry up and America specifically would no longer be able to import goods from abroad once their currency was tied to their government because the government could just freeze payments to other governments during economic downturns. The problem with this logic is that there is no international regulatory body in place that protects both commercial interests and public interest for the benefit of all. It would be nice to have an international currency that is common to all governments, but that would then imply that there was an international republic in place that would ensure the welfare of all the members of that republic as well as the constituents of each. But that that just doesn't exist. We have these "Free Trade agreements in place without any regulatory body to ensure Fair Trade.
The real problem is that the United States once had in place sound labor laws and environmental protection laws that "Free Trade" agreements made moot. If business didn't like to pay livable wages to their employees, they only needed to move across the border to avoid that. If business didn't like the idea of responsibly disposing of their toxic waste, they only needed to move across the border and the environmental protection laws simply vanished along with the attendant expenses.
The real problem with Americans is that they like to have their cake and eat it too. They want cheap prices that out sourcing affords but they also want good wages and a clean environment that outsourcing destroys. In order for the United States to return to state of general affluence, the people need to return to return to a state of self sufficiency and that means being able to compete with the foreign labor market. But I can feel the shudders already, because that means to be able to compete with $1.00.day wages paid to laborers in Beijing and less than subsistence standards of living. But that is exactly what "Free Trade" has and is generating. In order for the United States to become profitable again, all people of the United States, notice I don't say Americans, because that would imply Canadians, Mexicans, Central Americans and South Americans, will have to learn to do with much less until they get their own manufacturing completive with the rest of the world. And if they want to maintain their standard of living then they will have to assess tariffs on countries that impose substandard living conditions on their people. You can't have slave labor countries making all your goods and providing you with all your services and ever hope that such a system will endure for any length of time. Revolt would only be a matter of time
I can't go on here any further, but in order for the United States to return to economic prosperity, the credit and currency of the United States has to once again vest with the Congress of the United States. When we have an international republic in place defining the rights and obligations of all people, then an international currency can be devised under the control of an International Congress that can hold corruption to a minimum. Until then everyone is only deceiving themselves.
The dollar can never become the defacto International currency because there is no Inrternational Body regulating it.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 26, 2009 9:21 AM
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Go figure, an owning class President calls for the lowers to not hold the uppers accountable for the uppers' lethal and destructive criminal behavior. Brilliant.
No Justice no Peace... and if that fails, 17-fin'-89!
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» I guess those who avoided Wall Street can demonize it. The bulk of us, though, used and liked it. .
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» Sadly the reason Main Street has been hooked to Wall Street.
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» Great point. In a truly free market, this is not permitted.
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» Fascinating logic, Beck.
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» RE: I guess those who avoided Wall Street can demonize it. The bulk of us, though, used and liked it. .
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» RE: Thanks, Obama
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Posted by: TC_ on Mar 26, 2009 9:35 AM
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I pledge allegiance to the banks of the Incorporated Estates of Earth and to the Rulers, whom they enrich, one Command throughout the land - obedience - with conformity and subservience for all.
Good vassals learn the Bank Pledge by heart when still wet from the womb. And with good reason. The Bank Pledge can take a vassal far in the Incorporated Estates of Earth. The banks are divine, and vassals mere mortals who owe their breath to the going rate of exchange. Few vassals would rather defy banks and starve than obey banks and have a chance. All is fair in love and banks.
Vassals may rent themselves freely, offering themselves upon the altar of the market at whatever rate the market and banks command. For those vassals with little or no market value: prisons. Thankfully. Not to mention urban concentration camps, reservations, and many a moonscape in the countryside. These all happily embrace the poor, once the banks have done with them.
Banks decree equitably one a vassal or a lord, depending upon your wealth. Which vassals and lords prosper enough to receive just conditions of life? The banks judge. Justice flows both to and from the banks and their best depositors. The most just depositors are the richest ones, of course, the least just the poorest. Vassals who can make no deposit at all might be thought of as the scourge of banking. Not so. The impoverished scarcely interfere with the balance sheet, thus the banks could not care less. What could be more reasonable and just than that?
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 26, 2009 9:44 AM
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Perhaps it still works anyway, perhaps not. I would think that should be fixed.
Thx
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Posted by: Zimbly on Mar 26, 2009 9:48 AM
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When the protests get, lets say too real and too intense, there will be mass arrests all over the country.
There is already a huge Gulag system in place and the security apparatus in place just for this.
How did the phrase go ? "Americans exhibiting too much awareness will be considered a terrorist threat".
P.A.T.R.I.O.T Acts 1 and 2 , the removal of Habeus Corpus and Possetus Commatus, the enormous surveillance system and computer data banks.
In their words "bring it on"...we've got a surprise for you"..remember the GOP convention..that was just a dry run..were ready :)
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» RE: They are ready for you
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Posted by: msteryis on Mar 26, 2009 10:46 AM
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Posted by: jlowelld on Mar 26, 2009 11:06 AM
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"As for the pyramids, there is nothing to wonder at in them so much as the fact that so many men could be found degraded enough to spend their lives constructing a tomb for some ambitious booby, whom it would have been wiser and manlier to have drowned in the Nile, and then given his body to the dogs." --H.D. Thoreau, 1854
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Mar 26, 2009 11:25 AM
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People most of the companies in the bailout are a form of a Madoff scheme for certain.
ENRON USED DERIVATIVES as well but coupled them with DUMMY CORP.
what are DERIVATIVES---a type of risky gamble an insurance (whom cannot be called insurance otherwise they would have to be regulated by those in the insurance industry) so, they call them VEHICLES OR BETS which are sold to investment firms and they re-sell them. the bet says that when a company FAILS they will be paid back--then they sell these insurance type BETS to companies.
Only in these BETS there the risky companies. when these irresponsible USA investment firms buy them NEVER CHECKING/NEVER CARING WHETHER they are a good investment for them then the IRRESPONSIBLE COMPANY try to re-sell them. Only the GOOD INVESTMENT firms seeing they are no good---the GOOD INVESTMENT firms refuse to buy them. Then the IRRESPONSIBLE investment firm is forced to sell all their OTHER good stock investments until all the IRRESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT firms have left in their companies are a hug compile of BAD DERIVATIVES at which time the IRRESPONSIBLE COMPANY is bankrupt and WASH DC SLUGS KNOWING THIS decided to tie a noose around the public neck by the name of bailout which will cause a NEVER ENDING STREAM OF MONEY out of the USA to the creators of these bad debts (many of who hate USA).
Financial sector has a saying never put all your eggs in one basket.
Well, NATIONALIZATION is the equavalent of putting all one's eggs into one basket so when one fails the entire NATIONAL STRUCTURE unravels.
GET these companies back out into public sector, alone people. it's the way to go.
OTHERWISE we will wind up like CUBA only we will be owned by foreigners.
we will be FORCED into soc/glob/comm/fac/marx and 1 or 2 or several big companies will MONOPOLIZE AND DOMINATE the marketplace forcing USA to buy inferior goods at top gouge price.
GONE will be the hope of any American to start a small/med business because it will be impossible to do so. see familysecuritymatters.org
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Cheers,
RR
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industries pay for their losses. Not the taxpayer. I am sending copies of this e-mail to Boxer and Feinstein. Please work together to find another path.
Sincerely,
Organize, protest.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Mar 28, 2009 5:23 AM
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America is now such a fascist nation, I'm not sure protests will, any longer, do any good. Although Obama did say we will have to pressure him. Mayhap, nothing short of a real revolution will do the job. Are Americans, "we the people', really up to that? Somehow I just don't see that happening. The ownership class owns America. "We the people have become just too complacent with our 42" flat screen TVs and our overflowing bowls of buttery popcorn and risk aversive nature. Not to mention those 800 FEMA prisons and the battle hardened US Army combat Brigade and the mercenaries like Blackwater just waiting for us.
On the other hand, If we get pushed hard enough and far enough, who knows. Burn a WalMart here, a mega church there, who knows.
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Why did you all buy into this??
Youth?? inexperience, adulation, lemmings??
Please, explain it to me
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 29, 2009 7:33 AM
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There was and is no such thing as a kinder and gentler America or a compassionate conservative or a reformed Rethugnican Party. Despite a generation of promising that it wasn't the robber baron party of the Gilded Age it has managed to walk down the exact same path of corruption and opposition to even the simplest of rights and protections for citizens and workers.
Despite the cries of Evangelicals the God of America is money. By the words of Jesus of Nazareth, one cannot serve two masters. That famous proclamation said that you would cling to one and despise the other. I think that is where we are today.
The pols have sold out to the monied interests and despise those who would interfere with making money by the selling of votes and later influence and access as lobbyists. How many potential former members of Congress failed Obama's vetting because of financial ties to those they have previously regulated or shared oversight over. Remember, these are supposed to be Democrats- people.
Then there are the southern DINO's- the modern traitors to the progressive cause just like the generations of DINOs from the south that held our country back on civil rights, unions, consumer protection and all the rest. The south's tradition is that of an oligarchy- not a democracy and it still has these tendencies. It's still poisoning America.
The progressives either have to purge the party of Republicans in drag (DINOS, Blue-Ticks, DLC, whatever) or leave and start a new progressive party. The southern DINOS have shown that they are willing to urinate and defecate in the public punchbowl to protect the status quo and the vested interests that have bought and paid for them. Yes, Senators Lincoln and Pryor, I am calling you out.
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Posted by: TerryS on Mar 29, 2009 2:28 PM
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that makes me happy to support Alternet.
And I'll certainly be at the protest.
Obviously, one little national protest
won't solve the problem, but it is
an excellent first step.
Temporarily nationalizing the failed banks,
breaking up the banks that are "too big to
fail", and increasing oversight are
exactly the solutions that need to be
done as soon as possible.
So far Obama has been in thrall of the
"financial experts" from Wall Street who got
us into this mess. But the great thing about
Obama is that he does listen to his supporters.
This protest, and many other more forms of
communication, will send the message to
Obama that this is the way to go.
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Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 30, 2009 2:23 PM
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We can bring the federal government down on its knees by doing the one thing they think we don't have the guts to do. Lose your fear of government and do the one thing that will not only put everyone in Washington on notice, but will restore the respect that we once had. Democracy does not run on auto-pilot. It'll take more than protests, petitions and letters to your congressman to drive the message home.
Everybody-rich, poor, liberal, conservative, carnivore, vegan, boxers, briefs-pay your federal taxes to your home state. Put a little stimulus in your state and local economies for once, and the only recession will be the one in Washington. Shall we?
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The demands should be free and universal access to all of these social programs. Work for all people who want to work and a living wage. Let's get going. Our banks were not even in crisis and the government forked over 15 billion. Another banner year for the Banks North of the Border too!
Yours,
RR
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A bank that is 'too big to fail' shouldn't fail. It can't fail because it is so big. Right?
If it Still fails, then it is not too big to fail. Therefore, it should cease to exist, which, through the laws of competition, should enable smaller and/or newer and leaner more efficient banks to prosper from their demise. Right?
I have to wonder if we're looking at the correct angle in all of this.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Mar 26, 2009 1:13 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Large street protests may have lost whatever effectiveness they once had in the U.S..
I can practically already hear Obama praising our great "American" rights and traditions of speech, and his understanding that people are "frustrated", and his compassion for the downtrodden, and his reminder that they are "doing what they can" and "working hard" to "fix" things, but that it will "take time",... can't you?
Oh well, have fun kids.
My town is way too little for a masive protest, but I promise to rant on the issue in the tavern that day, OK?
-matti.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 26, 2009 3:16 AM
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What needs to happen now (aside from the mass protests and all that other neat stuff) is for Weeda Peeple to examine our sick, dysfunctional relationship with Ronald Reagan. So many of us (THEM) are still looking back at the dirty old bastard's administration with fondness and nostalgia.
HELLO???
People have got to made to understand that what is happening to their once-great nation is a direct result of their embrace of the stupid philosophy of a feeble-minded, failed "B" movie actor they so foolishly elected as president of the United States three decades ago.
The first step in overcoming a problem is admitting that you have one (I learned that in A.A.!) It's time that we come to terms with what Reagan did to us.
Stupid, Stupid Democrats
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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» Protesteth Mock Protests
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This, finally, is the right thing to do in response to the financial crisis.
Apart from Bill Moyers and maybe some of the New York Times commentary, it's a perspective not getting many column inches or much air time in mainstream media. And that is a terrible danger. Reverse socialism, using vast sums of taxpayer money to protect privileged interests, is surely a road to worse disasters than have already overtaken us.
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It's harder to express the hurt that inspires the anger. But expressing hurt might be more effective than expressing anger. Shouting makes people turn away or shout back. Tears can remind us of our humanity.
So, clear plastic bottles can be picked up for free. Fill with tap water to symbolize human tears. Then use.
1. put a tag around the neck of the bottle with a short slogan ("banks have no heart") or a personal story ("made homeless in 2008").
2. carry it with you if you go on a march
3. raise it high in unison
4. get others and make a display in appropriate places (like the bunch of flowers thing only without the money-making of the flower industry and it's free speech, not littering). You don't have to travel to a big city.
5. keep doing it--it doesn't matter if it starts small; it will grow. Think in front of the Capital Building and the White House.
Even in poor countries the people can show their pain.
Politicians can and will reject anger with argument. They can't afford to react that way to pain.
You heard it first on Alternet, folks.
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We need to be "persistent" in the call for more accountability, more oversight, and more social pressure on the vultures that have been simply gaming the system with our money. It looks like Obama is ready to take the first steps. We need to be sure we are supporting his effort and not looking like the small, but vociferous, army of whiners out there.
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» RE: We could switch from banks to credit unions and see how that all goes.
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» Shop them though
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» RE: e: Their credit cards have lower interest rates, but it's much more difficult to get one
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if your city is not listed, signup anyway as they might get more cities listed with enough response.
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Here is the Digg link.
Please give it a click. Digg does help draw readers to a story. I've heard every registered Digg vote means ten pairs of eyeballs even if the story doesn't go popular.
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If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.
Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 26, 2009 6:35 AM
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Now your going to stage your Revolt against an admin that realizes our country was built from the bottom up? Now?
I will not join you - since you all never joined me over the last 30 yrs of Economic Treason. Where were you during the first Blood for Oil Campaign? Home, while some of US were protesting on street corners- cheering on your fearless leader HW? Where was your outrage when Gramm got Clinton to sign the end of the regulatory safeguards put in place after the last time Wall Streeters Fucked this country? Was your hair on fire over NAFTA and it's well foreseen ramifications?
this is like having a Boston Tea party AFTER we won the Revolutionary War!!
Did you just become Politically conscious (or develope a Conscience) Or have you finally gotten the Balls to speak up - now that you know you cna't be hauled off to some secret prison for voicing your dissent.Now you want to actively participate in our Democratic process? Frankly I find your timing about as advantageous as Robert the Bruce's who waited until After Willaim Wallace was tortured and executed to actually join the Fightfor Freedom. He got it, but much needless blood was spilt before he acted. this all could ahve been averted if you all would had picked up a history book or even a dictionary when 'Trickle Down' was re instituted 30 yrs ago! have a cigarette and a real cup of coffee- I hear it speeds up your synapses.Not only re you a 'day ' late- Our nations Now Trillions Short!
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» Yap, yap yap!!
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I remember when there were those record setting global protests over the Iraq war... oh, and all the other protests of it for more than half a decade afterwards and how effective they all were at stopping this war in its tracks.
As long as you are only begging government to please please please please be nice enough to listen to us or we'll ask again politely, you are not going to get very far.
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http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
... The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating. -Thomas Jefferson
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. -James Madison
http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations. -Andrew Jackson
The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. -Abraham Lincoln
Issue of currency should be lodged with the government and be protected from domination by Wall Street. We are opposed to...provisions [which] would place our currency and credit system in private hands. - Theodore Roosevelt
http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
Despite these warnings, Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A few years later he wrote: I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men. -Woodrow Wilson
Years later, reflecting on the major banks' control in Washington, President Franklin Roosevelt paid this indirect praise to his distant predecessor President Andrew Jackson, who had "killed" the 2nd Bank of the US (an earlier type of the Federal Reserve System). After Jackson's administration the bankers' influence was gradually restored and increased, culminating in the passage of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Roosevelt knew this history.
The real truth of the matter is,as you and I know, that a financial
element in the large centers has owned the government ever since
the days of Andrew Jackson... -Franklin D. Roosevelt
(in a letter to Colonel House, dated November 21, 1933)
http://www.themoneymasters.com/quotations.htm
http://endthefed.us
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The problem starts on Capital Hill
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By RALPH NADER
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We really could teach these banks a tough lesson by hitting them where it hurts the most, their vaults. Credit unions are far more stable, don't do overhead costs, and are generally very community friendly. The banks are only going to stay powerful as long as they have their customers. The more customers banks lose to credit unions, the less government will be able to invent excuses or accept excuses for bailing out the crooked banks.
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» Um, explain please.
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» Have You visited Chalrotte?
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» Lots of massive layoffs in those big banks out there in those cities. Besides,
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» Urban Spraw will make Charlotte relivent anyways
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Mar 26, 2009 9:15 AM
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I have listened to many who say that the Federal Reserve Fractional Banking system is necessary in order to compete internationally, that a currency owned and operated by global corporations makes global commerce possible and that without it global commerce would dry up and America specifically would no longer be able to import goods from abroad once their currency was tied to their government because the government could just freeze payments to other governments during economic downturns. The problem with this logic is that there is no international regulatory body in place that protects both commercial interests and public interest for the benefit of all. It would be nice to have an international currency that is common to all governments, but that would then imply that there was an international republic in place that would ensure the welfare of all the members of that republic as well as the constituents of each. But that that just doesn't exist. We have these "Free Trade agreements in place without any regulatory body to ensure Fair Trade.
The real problem is that the United States once had in place sound labor laws and environmental protection laws that "Free Trade" agreements made moot. If business didn't like to pay livable wages to their employees, they only needed to move across the border to avoid that. If business didn't like the idea of responsibly disposing of their toxic waste, they only needed to move across the border and the environmental protection laws simply vanished along with the attendant expenses.
The real problem with Americans is that they like to have their cake and eat it too. They want cheap prices that out sourcing affords but they also want good wages and a clean environment that outsourcing destroys. In order for the United States to return to state of general affluence, the people need to return to return to a state of self sufficiency and that means being able to compete with the foreign labor market. But I can feel the shudders already, because that means to be able to compete with $1.00.day wages paid to laborers in Beijing and less than subsistence standards of living. But that is exactly what "Free Trade" has and is generating. In order for the United States to become profitable again, all people of the United States, notice I don't say Americans, because that would imply Canadians, Mexicans, Central Americans and South Americans, will have to learn to do with much less until they get their own manufacturing completive with the rest of the world. And if they want to maintain their standard of living then they will have to assess tariffs on countries that impose substandard living conditions on their people. You can't have slave labor countries making all your goods and providing you with all your services and ever hope that such a system will endure for any length of time. Revolt would only be a matter of time
I can't go on here any further, but in order for the United States to return to economic prosperity, the credit and currency of the United States has to once again vest with the Congress of the United States. When we have an international republic in place defining the rights and obligations of all people, then an international currency can be devised under the control of an International Congress that can hold corruption to a minimum. Until then everyone is only deceiving themselves.
The dollar can never become the defacto International currency because there is no Inrternational Body regulating it.
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 26, 2009 9:21 AM
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Go figure, an owning class President calls for the lowers to not hold the uppers accountable for the uppers' lethal and destructive criminal behavior. Brilliant.
No Justice no Peace... and if that fails, 17-fin'-89!
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» I guess those who avoided Wall Street can demonize it. The bulk of us, though, used and liked it. .
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» Sadly the reason Main Street has been hooked to Wall Street.
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» Great point. In a truly free market, this is not permitted.
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» Fascinating logic, Beck.
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Posted by: TC_ on Mar 26, 2009 9:35 AM
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I pledge allegiance to the banks of the Incorporated Estates of Earth and to the Rulers, whom they enrich, one Command throughout the land - obedience - with conformity and subservience for all.
Good vassals learn the Bank Pledge by heart when still wet from the womb. And with good reason. The Bank Pledge can take a vassal far in the Incorporated Estates of Earth. The banks are divine, and vassals mere mortals who owe their breath to the going rate of exchange. Few vassals would rather defy banks and starve than obey banks and have a chance. All is fair in love and banks.
Vassals may rent themselves freely, offering themselves upon the altar of the market at whatever rate the market and banks command. For those vassals with little or no market value: prisons. Thankfully. Not to mention urban concentration camps, reservations, and many a moonscape in the countryside. These all happily embrace the poor, once the banks have done with them.
Banks decree equitably one a vassal or a lord, depending upon your wealth. Which vassals and lords prosper enough to receive just conditions of life? The banks judge. Justice flows both to and from the banks and their best depositors. The most just depositors are the richest ones, of course, the least just the poorest. Vassals who can make no deposit at all might be thought of as the scourge of banking. Not so. The impoverished scarcely interfere with the balance sheet, thus the banks could not care less. What could be more reasonable and just than that?
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 26, 2009 9:44 AM
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Perhaps it still works anyway, perhaps not. I would think that should be fixed.
Thx
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Posted by: Zimbly on Mar 26, 2009 9:48 AM
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When the protests get, lets say too real and too intense, there will be mass arrests all over the country.
There is already a huge Gulag system in place and the security apparatus in place just for this.
How did the phrase go ? "Americans exhibiting too much awareness will be considered a terrorist threat".
P.A.T.R.I.O.T Acts 1 and 2 , the removal of Habeus Corpus and Possetus Commatus, the enormous surveillance system and computer data banks.
In their words "bring it on"...we've got a surprise for you"..remember the GOP convention..that was just a dry run..were ready :)
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Posted by: msteryis on Mar 26, 2009 10:46 AM
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"As for the pyramids, there is nothing to wonder at in them so much as the fact that so many men could be found degraded enough to spend their lives constructing a tomb for some ambitious booby, whom it would have been wiser and manlier to have drowned in the Nile, and then given his body to the dogs." --H.D. Thoreau, 1854
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Posted by: SassyFrassy on Mar 26, 2009 11:25 AM
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People most of the companies in the bailout are a form of a Madoff scheme for certain.
ENRON USED DERIVATIVES as well but coupled them with DUMMY CORP.
what are DERIVATIVES---a type of risky gamble an insurance (whom cannot be called insurance otherwise they would have to be regulated by those in the insurance industry) so, they call them VEHICLES OR BETS which are sold to investment firms and they re-sell them. the bet says that when a company FAILS they will be paid back--then they sell these insurance type BETS to companies.
Only in these BETS there the risky companies. when these irresponsible USA investment firms buy them NEVER CHECKING/NEVER CARING WHETHER they are a good investment for them then the IRRESPONSIBLE COMPANY try to re-sell them. Only the GOOD INVESTMENT firms seeing they are no good---the GOOD INVESTMENT firms refuse to buy them. Then the IRRESPONSIBLE investment firm is forced to sell all their OTHER good stock investments until all the IRRESPONSIBLE INVESTMENT firms have left in their companies are a hug compile of BAD DERIVATIVES at which time the IRRESPONSIBLE COMPANY is bankrupt and WASH DC SLUGS KNOWING THIS decided to tie a noose around the public neck by the name of bailout which will cause a NEVER ENDING STREAM OF MONEY out of the USA to the creators of these bad debts (many of who hate USA).
Financial sector has a saying never put all your eggs in one basket.
Well, NATIONALIZATION is the equavalent of putting all one's eggs into one basket so when one fails the entire NATIONAL STRUCTURE unravels.
GET these companies back out into public sector, alone people. it's the way to go.
OTHERWISE we will wind up like CUBA only we will be owned by foreigners.
we will be FORCED into soc/glob/comm/fac/marx and 1 or 2 or several big companies will MONOPOLIZE AND DOMINATE the marketplace forcing USA to buy inferior goods at top gouge price.
GONE will be the hope of any American to start a small/med business because it will be impossible to do so. see familysecuritymatters.org
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» Demigods: Right on, willymack, you hit the nail on the head!
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Posted by: RR#1 on Mar 26, 2009 12:01 PM
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Cheers,
RR
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Mar 26, 2009 4:23 PM
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industries pay for their losses. Not the taxpayer. I am sending copies of this e-mail to Boxer and Feinstein. Please work together to find another path.
Sincerely,
Organize, protest.
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» Treating Corporations as Individuals - what a sick joke!
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Posted by: foxxx on Mar 27, 2009 8:24 AM
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Posted by: nwcitizen on Mar 27, 2009 4:22 PM
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Mar 28, 2009 5:23 AM
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America is now such a fascist nation, I'm not sure protests will, any longer, do any good. Although Obama did say we will have to pressure him. Mayhap, nothing short of a real revolution will do the job. Are Americans, "we the people', really up to that? Somehow I just don't see that happening. The ownership class owns America. "We the people have become just too complacent with our 42" flat screen TVs and our overflowing bowls of buttery popcorn and risk aversive nature. Not to mention those 800 FEMA prisons and the battle hardened US Army combat Brigade and the mercenaries like Blackwater just waiting for us.
On the other hand, If we get pushed hard enough and far enough, who knows. Burn a WalMart here, a mega church there, who knows.
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Posted by: wallisp on Mar 28, 2009 8:10 AM
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Posted by: gellero1 on Mar 28, 2009 3:49 PM
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Why did you all buy into this??
Youth?? inexperience, adulation, lemmings??
Please, explain it to me
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Posted by: foxxx on Mar 28, 2009 7:15 PM
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 29, 2009 7:33 AM
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There was and is no such thing as a kinder and gentler America or a compassionate conservative or a reformed Rethugnican Party. Despite a generation of promising that it wasn't the robber baron party of the Gilded Age it has managed to walk down the exact same path of corruption and opposition to even the simplest of rights and protections for citizens and workers.
Despite the cries of Evangelicals the God of America is money. By the words of Jesus of Nazareth, one cannot serve two masters. That famous proclamation said that you would cling to one and despise the other. I think that is where we are today.
The pols have sold out to the monied interests and despise those who would interfere with making money by the selling of votes and later influence and access as lobbyists. How many potential former members of Congress failed Obama's vetting because of financial ties to those they have previously regulated or shared oversight over. Remember, these are supposed to be Democrats- people.
Then there are the southern DINO's- the modern traitors to the progressive cause just like the generations of DINOs from the south that held our country back on civil rights, unions, consumer protection and all the rest. The south's tradition is that of an oligarchy- not a democracy and it still has these tendencies. It's still poisoning America.
The progressives either have to purge the party of Republicans in drag (DINOS, Blue-Ticks, DLC, whatever) or leave and start a new progressive party. The southern DINOS have shown that they are willing to urinate and defecate in the public punchbowl to protect the status quo and the vested interests that have bought and paid for them. Yes, Senators Lincoln and Pryor, I am calling you out.
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Posted by: TerryS on Mar 29, 2009 2:28 PM
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that makes me happy to support Alternet.
And I'll certainly be at the protest.
Obviously, one little national protest
won't solve the problem, but it is
an excellent first step.
Temporarily nationalizing the failed banks,
breaking up the banks that are "too big to
fail", and increasing oversight are
exactly the solutions that need to be
done as soon as possible.
So far Obama has been in thrall of the
"financial experts" from Wall Street who got
us into this mess. But the great thing about
Obama is that he does listen to his supporters.
This protest, and many other more forms of
communication, will send the message to
Obama that this is the way to go.
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Posted by: HeatherC on Mar 30, 2009 2:23 PM
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We can bring the federal government down on its knees by doing the one thing they think we don't have the guts to do. Lose your fear of government and do the one thing that will not only put everyone in Washington on notice, but will restore the respect that we once had. Democracy does not run on auto-pilot. It'll take more than protests, petitions and letters to your congressman to drive the message home.
Everybody-rich, poor, liberal, conservative, carnivore, vegan, boxers, briefs-pay your federal taxes to your home state. Put a little stimulus in your state and local economies for once, and the only recession will be the one in Washington. Shall we?
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