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Americans Are Raring for a Fight Against Corporate Power
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Last October, Home Depot cofounder Bernie Marcus blew a gasket, spewing outrage in all directions. "This is the demise of civilization," he exploded. "This is how a civilization disappears. I'm watching this happen and I don't believe it!"
Bernie's outburst came during an hour-long conference call with various other corporate executives and their political operatives. The purpose was to collect industry funds for a campaign to kill a piece of legislation called the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA). Yes, the spark that ignited Bernie's fury, the hellish horror that he insisted would produce America's Armageddon, was a simple labor bill, and he was demanding that the corporate powers rally to save civilization as they know it.
"As a shareholder, if I knew the CEO of the company wasn't doing anything on [EFCA]...I would sue the son of a bitch," he foamed. "If a retailer has not gotten involved in this...he should be shot. They should be thrown out of their goddamn jobs."
He didn't specify whether such traitorous executives should be shot first, then thrown out of their jobs, or vice-versa-- but you get the point: Corporate America is working up a feverish panic over the very notion of linking the term "employees" with the concept of free choice.
"It is a political nightmare and a public policy disaster," shrieked a PR flack for a corporate front group opposing this legislation. He even claims that top executives "are ready to riot in the street about it." Now that's exciting! I, for one, would pay to watch a horde of red-faced, Gucci-clad, CEOs rioting, wouldn't you?
Who needs it?
What EFCA does is to restore workers' freedom to organize themselves into unions so they can bargain with corporate chieftains for fairer wages and benefits. That's it. Wait, you might say, can't they do that now? Wasn't this settled back in the 1930s with collective bargaining laws and creation of the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) to protect worker rights?
Yes--and no. It's true that 75 years ago our country took a stand for promoting workplace democracy--a fundamental national principle that the great majority of Americans still embrace. But corporations are not democracies. They are hierarchical, secretive autocracies, and most have never taken to the idea that working families ought to have a say in how they are treated. Thus corporate executives and lobbyists have worked steadily and stealthily over the years to erode these democratic gains, pushing against them especially hard in the past couple of decades.
Indeed, since the Reagan years, there has been a pernicious campaign by corporate interests and their political enablers to spread the myth that unions themselves are archaic entities, no longer necessary or wanted. Sure, there was a need for workers to get organized back in the bad 01' Depression era, but that was so last century. As the corporatists might put it:
Hey, Bucko, we're all in a modern, global economy today, where we no longer have "workers," we have "associates," and we deal with each of them as independent units, giving America a flexible workforce so we can minimize labor costs and maximize shareholder value. Unions just get in the way of this, don't you see?
This line of self-serving Corporate Think was articulated last fall by John Engler, the former Michigan politician who's now chief lobbyist (and self-appointed labor theorist) for the National Association of Manufacturers. "In the sophisticated workplaces of the 21st century," he lectured, "you see management and labor often work closely together to beat the competition. When they're doing that, the need for unions is obviated."
What Professor Engler is telling us is that ergo, ipso facto, and ad absurdum, he's a gooberhead.
The need for unions is hardly obviated when workers have been dramatically increasing their productivity and generating more national wealth, only to be rewarded with falling wages, plummeting purchasing power, elimination of health-care benefits, and cancellation of pensions. Meanwhile, corporate downsizing and offshoring of jobs are rampant, part-time work is the new norm, and job-safety rules have been sacrificed on the altar of Wall Street's profit demands. Note also that CEOs who so loudly bemoan union wages are paying themselves in the neighborhood of $10,000 an hour, contributing to the widest income inequality seen in America since the 1920s. This gap between the rich and the rest of us now ranks as the worst in the industrialized world.
These realities not only explain why today's workers need unions, but also why there is such a widespread yearning for them. A 2006 poll of the general public by the Pew Research Center found that 68% of us believe labor unions are necessary to protect working families. In that same year, a survey of workers by pollster Peter Hart indicated that as many as 60 million Americans would join a union tomorrow--if they could.
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Posted by: pelican beak on Mar 16, 2009 1:14 AM
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"I never died," says he.
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» I'd like to watch CEOs pitted in gladiatorial combat.
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» RE: I'd like to watch CEOs pitted in gladiatorial combat.
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» Pls. make a profit,
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» RE: I, for two.
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» RE: I, for two.
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» Joe Hill lives. Pitchforks and torches - boil and baste an executive in his own juices.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Mar 16, 2009 1:20 AM
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But the realization has struck me that even while Americans hold more progressive views than the draconian policies of the establishment, we do virtually nothing consequential to right the situation. Americans, as compared to Europeans whose societies better reflect the policies most of us wish to see, don't care to protest or otherwise get involved in politics.
Why is this? The answer must be that in general, even while we like to gripe, we are complacent. That is, most of us are satisfied with life the way it is, even many of those among us who are pushed around by the power structure on a regular basis, for example workers who are subject to continual reductions in pay and benefits. There is an ignorant attitude that infects the population of this country that although life is often stressful enough to produce family dysfunction and mental illness, at least we're Americans, part of the most powerful country in the world - or as some like to think, the most powerful polity in history. We're number one! We're number one!
So collectively we have made a deal with the devil. We have sacrificed a better quality of life by complacently accepting some vague idea of our own supremacy, therefore stifling the will to challenge our overbearing elites. In return we have received vain pride, a hollow pittance, pushed upon us like a drug from our gigantic media propaganda machine and consumed in ever larger doses to get our fix. Hence the hubris of the Bush years, the neoconservative agenda to make the U.S. supreme throughout the twenty-first century, and the doctrine of full-spectrum military dominance.
We are now reaping the bitter fruits of our Faustian bargain.
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» It's true! 'mericans have lost their dicks!
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» Nah, we just elected them to public office -- then they absconded with the loot
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» 'the patriotic American proclaims: "From my cold dead hand!" And in his hand? The tv remote
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» RE: 'the patriotic American proclaims: "From my cold dead hand!" And in his hand? The tv remote
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» RE: It's true! 'mericans have lost their dicks!
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» NOT ME! It's right HERE in my hand
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» RE: The American people made a Faustian bargain, now we're paying the consequences.
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» RE: The American people made a Faustian bargain, now we're paying the consequences.
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» RE: The American people made a Faustian bargain, now we're paying the consequences.
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» RE: The American people made a Faustian bargain, now we're paying the consequences.
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» The whole WEST is too consumptive.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Mar 16, 2009 1:49 AM
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[The corporate front organization Center for Union Facts] has placed several full-page ads in the New York Times (at $150,000 a pop) that crudely caricature union leaders as thugs.
This is a common caricature of union leaders. I can recall Michael Bloomberg, the smarmy piece of shit mayor of NYC, building this caricature to criticize leaders of the transit strike in December, 2005.
Bloomberg:
The leadership of the TWU has thuggishly turned their backs on New York City and disgraced the noble concept of public service.
This image of unions as coarse, vulgar, primitive, dirty, low brow, and backward has been used for the past few decades, especially since Reagan, to bash unions.
The reason this tactic has worked on many ordinary people is they want to believe they have entered this ethereal and amorphous thing called the American middle class, thus they are subconsciously swayed to dislike unions due to unions' lower-class associations as depicted by corporatist propaganda.
It is many people's own prejudice against the working class, and their refusal to acknowledge that in fact they are working class - a prejudice which is based on insecure, easily manipulated arrogance - that has facilitated the corporatist effort to destroy unions and along with them, workers' rights.
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» RE: Class prejudice by the so-called middle class helps keep unions down.
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» RE: Class prejudice by the so-called middle class helps keep unions down.
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» "Joe Six Pack" is an interesting meme.
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» You've hit the nail on the head. Blue collar is somehow less than white collar in spite of reality.
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» RE: You've hit the nail on the head. Blue collar is somehow less than white collar in spite of reality.
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Posted by: -matti on Mar 16, 2009 1:54 AM
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If this gets in, Corporatists would be forced to either drop their most effective union-busting tools overnight or face a storm of lawsuits which they would be hard pressed to win.
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» Indeed having a union is no guarantee things will get better for workers.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 16, 2009 2:55 AM
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Forgiving the Neocons, starring me.
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Posted by: notrab68 on Mar 16, 2009 3:16 AM
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» RE: Pfft...
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» Above quotes how much respect given workers !!!!!
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Posted by: zrants on Mar 16, 2009 3:17 AM
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My respect for unions has grown through my experience. I support unions and believe they are an important balance to the power of corporate lobbies.
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Posted by: weathered on Mar 16, 2009 3:46 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 16, 2009 4:22 AM
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"For the People and By the people" was not just meant for our form of Government (which they have also worked very hard to undermine), but also the FREE MARKET!!
One need only look back to the fall of all other Great Empires throughout history to KNOW that when the wealth created by the Working class is siphoned off and Hoarded by the Few, that society dies. Trickle Down was not a 'flaw' in logic, it was a high Crime. Our Founders Knew that and intentionally began the Greatest Experiment known to Humanity- allowing the masses to not only determine their destiny, but own and control the wealth they produced.
In every aspect of of communal life, lures a Corp. Far worse are those Multinationals who have no allegience to US, even though we may be the nation that gave them 'life'. Every worker around the world, should Thank a Old Union Orgnaizer. They not only set a standard for Work, but provided enough 'disposable'income to become the greatest Consumers of World products- The labor movement did not just build the Middle Class, or just this nation, they built the world economy because of the ability to consume and because it inspired others to seek better wages and working conditions. In turn Generating more wealth for those countries and others.
By only allowing only a Trickle of wealth to feed back down, the upper echeleon Dehydrated the very engine which created and maintained their life styles.
In fact limiting the scope of criminality to just Treason, is not taking into account the extent of the devastation they have caused. They have ruined Global commerce and thus depleted the funds of numerous Charities trying to provide services around the world. Our Small donations are what these organization Thrive off.So add Crimes against Humanity to the list of Atrocities committed by the Logo'ed Monarchies.
"A WORKING CLASS HERO IS SOMETHING TO BE"- J. Lennon. Heros to their families, their comunities, their states, their Country and the World!
The Corps, Repugs AND their Blue pocket puppies Logo tag line should read "Let them Eat Cake"
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 16, 2009 4:51 AM
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Yep, That describes unions perfectly.
Union leader make deal with corporations. take pay offs in many ways and god forbid a union member question a union leader or rep. He'd be found in a back ally someplace with his head bashed in.
Unions are nothing more than a poower base for the most corrupt in our society. They "represent" workers but they really represent themselves and just use workers as a means for their end.
I've been in a union and I have family members in unions..Electrical union in NYC who is till this day suing them for back pay for a job related injury that is preventing him from working.
Want to help workers, let the government run the unions - they may not be the brightest bulbs in the pack but for the most part lower level government workers are pretty honest!
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» RE: A perfect description
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» Pay up or talk to the "bat"
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» RE: Pay up or talk to the "bat"
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» The early 1960s had working class Democrats, not corporate kissyface types like Clinton and Barry.
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» The Unions are allowing the Republicans and corporate/bluedog/dlc Dims to ruin them !
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» RE: The Unions are allowing the Republicans and corporate/bluedog/dlc Dims to ruin them !
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» RE: The Unions are allowing the Republicans and corporate/bluedog/dlc Dims to ruin them !
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» Yeah, check out my state of MO (Misery), used to be strong union representation but today,
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» RE: A perfect description
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» You need to turn off the Fox news you live on.
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» RE: You need to turn off the Fox news you live on.
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» "...let the government run the unions.."
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Posted by: pinnacle on Mar 16, 2009 4:55 AM
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The fact is that the union bosses really don't give a crap about the employees. Unions are organizations with employees just like companies. And, incidently, they have their own share of labor problems.
However, why don't you take a look at the auto industry and try to convince the union members there that their leadership has saved them. Bull!
Yes, there needs to be balance, and, yes, corporate leaders should be held accountable for keeping jobs in the USA, but the very unions you speak of have done nothing to ensure either. You speak of productivity improvements. In rare cases unions have partnered with management on team systems and skill based pay, but the majority of productivity improvements in american industry have come from technology which was fought continuously by the very unions you are promoting.
Simply put, you're wrong!
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» Do you work for Faux newz?
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Posted by: ellie on Mar 16, 2009 4:58 AM
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get the bill passed now before things get worse... this way the corporate rats will be cornered at their weakest point... they will have no choice but to unionize while they are barely operating now, this is the weak point for them... finally...
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» RE: unions and collective barganing...
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 16, 2009 5:09 AM
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» Fingers crossed?
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» I wouldn't blame Jennifer. The rightwing Democrats in DC are just like the ones here in MI.
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» Thank you. By the way, sorry to hear about MI. Same mess here with the MO Democratic Party.
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» Beck, I was wondering where you've been lately.
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» Yeah, Washington has no trustworthiness these days.
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» RE: I'm keeping my fingers crossed as Washington is dominated by corporate shills.
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Posted by: Honky the Nihilist. on Mar 16, 2009 5:19 AM
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» Apparently, Honky the Onanist is not an efficiency expert.
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» "the tools the corporate overlords use"
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» Learn to read asshole
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Posted by: peacelf on Mar 16, 2009 5:25 AM
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1) corporate charters last 5 -10 years
2) corporations cannot own property.
3) corporation's charter can be revoked if they do not provide a community service or product.
4) corporations cannot buy another corporation.
These few rules would prevent corporations from becoming too big and powerful for their/our britches.
peace
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Mar 16, 2009 6:00 AM
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No doubt he had been influenced by a discussion of the topic on the radio or television, but he was convinced that the American auto industry was being brought down, not by poor management, but by unions that had driven wages up to $80/hour and benefits that provided 90% of that pay during a lay-off. He was absolutely convinced of these "facts" and would not consider the possibility that the hourly wage he quoted might be a bloated or loaded figure.
What I found interesting though was his response to my question of whether he would like such benefits for himself. "Sure!"
There is a peculiar element of envy that enters any discussion about unions. Somehow people don't want others to get something that they do not have for themselves. Oddly, this envy motivation seems stronger with others in fairly similar circumstances and we do not feel the envy relative to CEO's, sports figures or entertainment stars.
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» RE: Envy
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» Value
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» That's an important observation.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Mar 16, 2009 6:24 AM
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» RE: I swear this could make the story like for the Sopranos Movie
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» Unions = mob
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» RE: Unions = mob
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» And you had the gall to tell me you're not a troll like edgar1.
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» Investment brokers = mob
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» Newsflash. The Soprano's are not a history book.
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» That would be a pretty lame movie.
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» "...why I hate... yes hate Democrat Socialism."
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Posted by: solrev on Mar 16, 2009 6:31 AM
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» RE: Unions what are they good for
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» solrev, what a wonderful post.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 16, 2009 6:34 AM
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I hope you're watching Reagan from where ever you are....remember PATCO.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Mar 16, 2009 7:15 AM
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Posted by: peacemom528 on Mar 16, 2009 7:22 AM
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If you want to understand what's going on with our monetary, environmental, and resource delivery systems, check out:
The Crash Course by Dr. Chris Martenson
It is worth spending a few hours going through the whole course and then sending it on to others!
It is up to us to demand change, explore options, and place well-being and quality of life over the mythical "American Dream" of money for nothing!
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Mar 16, 2009 7:24 AM
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» Corporations have always had ass-backwards policies
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» RE: Unions have always had ass-backwards policies
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» "Unions should concentrate on organizing WORLDWIDE..."
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Posted by: AWestColbert on Mar 16, 2009 7:52 AM
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Posted by: Hiroak on Mar 16, 2009 7:58 AM
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What a scum bag, Home Depot also loves to sell South American Hardwoods for fat ass Merkins to walk on yet depletes the rain forest. Who needs these kind of people?
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» RE: Don't shop at Home Depot
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» I try my dammest to shop mom and pop
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» Really, really cheap bastards
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» RE: Don't shop at Home Depot Or At Lowes
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Mar 16, 2009 8:00 AM
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the better to pull off their rape, and justify it by saying that their dirty dealings are "only what their shareholders want".
Evan if they were capable of crapping gold bricks they still would be worthless excuses for human beings. Death to them all.
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Posted by: Stew on Mar 16, 2009 8:03 AM
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Steve Martin was right.
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Posted by: ctuck622 on Mar 16, 2009 8:06 AM
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I worked as an underpaid staff employee many years ago for a FL university. My earnings were at or below the poverty level for the 6-1/2 yrs. I worked there. When my job was "politically" eliminated & my rights subsequently violated on a daily basis, the union would not lift a finger because I wasn't a dues-paying member. After blatant in-house blackballing, I was terminated for "medical reasons." (Several yrs. later I heard they changed this, but it was too late for me, & of course, simply stating that non-dues-paying members would receive representation does not make it true.) Unbeknownst to me at the time, I was subsequently blackballed from all State of Florida full-time employment, though I incurred over $100,000 in student loans to attend graduate school to prepare for a college-teaching career. In 2006, I finally caught the State of FL "red-handed," & have spent the past 3 yrs. of my life, though not in the greatest of health & living on a meager Social Security Disability benefit, representing myself pro se, doing my own legal research & document preparation & filing, because no attys would take my case because I have no money & "legal aid" societies do not take on cases of this magnitude.
Had I received proper & knowledgeable union representation, much of this could have been avoided, but such was not the case.
I fully support the Employee Free Choice Act, but unions MUST keep their collective "noses clean" & not behave in the same corrupt, "political" manner as the corporations & govt agencies against whom they fight for "their" rights.
If America as a country, including corporations, politicians, govt agencies, unions, & individuals fails to learn from the mistakes of the past, America, once the greatest country in the world, like Rome, will fall, and those who refuse to acknowledge that we are in an exponentially-increasing downward spiral, need to swallow their pride & take the blinders off before it is too late.
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Posted by: cyr3n on Mar 16, 2009 8:31 AM
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Posted by: ozonekidd on Mar 16, 2009 8:30 AM
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Solidarity for the One Big Union.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 16, 2009 9:25 AM
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white collar workers are just too fragmented by job title and function to be unionized. computer programmers or lawyers in a big firm? accountants and consultants?
plus we are moving increasingly to a nation of independent contractors and parttime workers. I believe in card check, indeed until Taft Hartley is repealed, you'll never evenout the union/corporate disparity. Good luck to labor on this one, but it may be too late in terms of how the workplace is defined in a hightech world.
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Posted by: Jacko95 on Mar 16, 2009 9:41 AM
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RT
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Posted by: Lilly on Mar 16, 2009 9:44 AM
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Oh.
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Posted by: bettyn on Mar 16, 2009 11:29 AM
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Is the mafia in bed with the CIA? You bet your ass it is. It's been that way for at least half a century, if not longer. The CIA is the most seditious organization in the country. It needs to be totally fumigated! I think most people will be amazed at the number and identity of some of the rats in the walls of that organization. (I don't think I will be...but it'll open a lot of eyes that are now closed when it happens. We need an end to shadow government run by corporate warthogs!)
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Posted by: archivist on Mar 16, 2009 11:44 AM
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AND automatic inclusion of foriegn workers into the union if any exsist.
A great deal of our problems exsist because corporations can use foreign labor that is basically free labor compared to the American worker while still able to sell to 1st world nations such as America. If the foreign worker is due the same wage as an American it makes the whole system MORE competetive.
Demand an equitable wage from companies AND property rights from governments before they are allowed to export to America or the EU.
Who Will Tell The People
by William Grieder
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Posted by: mistawiz on Mar 16, 2009 12:03 PM
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What about the many times that companies have abrogated their obligations with regard to company pensions an health benefits of retirees with the blessings of government agencies?
Once again the system, Democratic or Republican, is stacked against the common man, in favor of the rich and powerful.
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» You're right, this contractual obligation line is bullshit and Larry Summers
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» "In most developed countries, corporations and unions are getting along just fine"
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Posted by: Lilly on Mar 16, 2009 9:38 PM
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They got me a job in the canning works
And every morning I had to fill
The tank in the yard with gasoline
That fed the blow-fire in the sheds
To heat the soldering irons,
And I mounted a rickety ladder to do it,
Carrying buckets full of the stuff.
One morning, as I stood there pouring,
The air grew still and seemed to heave
And I shot up as the tank exploded,
And down I came with both legs broken
And my eyes burned crisp as a couple of eggs
For someone left a blow-fire going
And something sucked the flame in the tank.
The Circuit Judge said whoever did it
Was a fellow-servant of mine and so
Old Man Rhodes didn't have to pay me.
And I sat on the witness stand as blind
As Jack the Fiddler, saying over and over,
"But I didn't know him at all."
E L Masters, "Spoon River Anthology"
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Mar 17, 2009 8:21 AM
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The meeting of this Trilateral Commission defies our laws. Americans meeting behind closed doors with foreign leaders and persons violates the Logan Act.
Groups such as these decide who gets what (mostly the EU royals) from us.
Demand we not protect or support this group. Their plan for PNAC goals is theirs not ours. Demand our Justice Department deny it to meet here with any Americans. They threaten our security and future.
Meeting under our noses without press or Americans not allowed to see what is said by who, etc. is plain arrogance and treason. As a representative of the people I expect you (the President, Congress, etc.) to protest this group who thinks they represent our future goals. They are elite and not elected to represent us.
Arrest any who attend this meeting since they violate the Logan Act. Demand the police who protect them with our dollars not arrest protestors, etc.
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Posted by: gellero1 on Mar 17, 2009 11:25 AM
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Of course, no one really prevents unions from organizing workers now. there are plenty of legal protections.
Any moron can sign a card without knowing what it means. How many of the fools signed up for ARMs??
This is a power grab, pure and simple. Secret elections are the American Way.
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Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Mar 17, 2009 12:03 PM
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Thank you
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Posted by: justacitizen on Mar 18, 2009 11:11 AM
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It's rather ironic. We hear of corp revenues/profit being down (for the most part)and the corp menace are crying big tears. Why? Token pay raises and job outsourcing. American workers simply have no money to spend anymore.
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AIG boss asks bonus recipients to return half the cash...
*Concerned for safety of employees; doesn't want to disclose names...
Hedge Funds May Get AIG Bailout Cash...
VIDEO: Taxpayers Gather In Cities To Protest Spending, Growing Debt...
THIS IS HOW DEMS MANAGE AN ECONOMY...THE SAME DEMS THAT ALLOW FANNIE TO BE LOOTED (BY DEMS RAINES & GORELICK), THEN ALLOW FANNIE BONUSES...
THEY ARE SO INEPT BECAUSE THEY NEVER RAN A BUSINESS...THEY JUST KNOW "WHAT THE DEM KOOKS" TOLD THEM IN COLLEGE CLASSES...
DID I MENTION THE POSTAL SERVICE LOST 7 BILLION THE PAST 2 YEARS AND THEY STOLE ALL OF OUR SOCIAL SECURITY RESERVES TO BUY VOTES?
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 18, 2009 4:08 PM
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BREAKING: I was responsible for bonus loophole, says Dodd
Posted: 05:56 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Senate Banking committee Chairman Christopher Dodd told CNN’s Dana Bash and Wolf Blitzer Wednesday that he was responsible for adding the bonus loophole into the stimulus package that permitted AIG and other companies that received bailout funds to pay bonuses.
Watch: I'm responsible for bonus loophole, Dodd says
On Tuesday, Dodd denied to CNN that he had anything to do with the adding of that provision.
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CRAWISH NOTE: Democrat Dodd lied, CEOs fried...That last line is more like the blame-shifting dems we all know...they can't manage a hot dog stand...or the Postal Service or Social Security reserves or the border or or....but they sure can mouth off about how great secular socialism will be...after a few trillion dollars (borrowed) and a few thousand laws. NOT.
Will Obama give back his $102,000 also? NOT.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 21, 2009 4:48 PM
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Highest ratio to GDP since 1940s
CRAWFISH NOTE: You wanted an inexperienced smooth smiling kool radical secular socialist…ya got one.
Take another look at your 401K cause that mega-drop is gonna be your Labor Day and Thanksgiving present too…along with a huge box of baloney democrat excuses. Ya gonna pay and pay and pay for all this vote-buying spend-a-thon. We are talking taxes and inflation…and inflation hammers the “little guy” more…as usual the libs trash their own voters the most with their “good intentions equals bad results” approach socialism.
Jimmah Carter is back…suckers.
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 22, 2009 7:37 PM
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FAIRFIELD, Conn. (AP) - A busload of activists representing working- and middle-class families paid visits Saturday to the lavish homes of American International Group executives to protest the tens of millions of dollars in bonuses awarded by the struggling insurance company after it received a massive federal bailout.
About 40 protesters sought to urge AIG executives who received a portion of the $165 million in bonuses to do more to help families.
CRAWFISH NOTE: Will any “protesters” visit the homes of Raines, Gorelick or Johnson? They are the never-mentioned-cause-we-got-a pass democrats that looted Fannie-Freddie for over $110 million of your tax money for platinum parachute bonuses as those quasi-gov-meant institutions LOST billions. Well, when is the congress going to do that? Ohhh, never…sue-prise, sue-prize.
By the way, what any CEO makes is only the business of the shareholders. The business of theft from gov-meant should be the business of congress…but its NOT. More liberal demonizing of private industry while our bloated ever-growing gov-meant gets zero scrutiny if any democrat loots it. Same ole democrats.
Did I mention democrats wrote the CEOs’ “bonus okay” into the STIM bill then lied about that? Yep, same ole democrats.
Demonizing a CEO never created a job or helped your sick IRA…suckers.
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"I never died," says he.
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» I'd like to watch CEOs pitted in gladiatorial combat.
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» Pls. make a profit,
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» Joe Hill lives. Pitchforks and torches - boil and baste an executive in his own juices.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Mar 16, 2009 1:20 AM
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But the realization has struck me that even while Americans hold more progressive views than the draconian policies of the establishment, we do virtually nothing consequential to right the situation. Americans, as compared to Europeans whose societies better reflect the policies most of us wish to see, don't care to protest or otherwise get involved in politics.
Why is this? The answer must be that in general, even while we like to gripe, we are complacent. That is, most of us are satisfied with life the way it is, even many of those among us who are pushed around by the power structure on a regular basis, for example workers who are subject to continual reductions in pay and benefits. There is an ignorant attitude that infects the population of this country that although life is often stressful enough to produce family dysfunction and mental illness, at least we're Americans, part of the most powerful country in the world - or as some like to think, the most powerful polity in history. We're number one! We're number one!
So collectively we have made a deal with the devil. We have sacrificed a better quality of life by complacently accepting some vague idea of our own supremacy, therefore stifling the will to challenge our overbearing elites. In return we have received vain pride, a hollow pittance, pushed upon us like a drug from our gigantic media propaganda machine and consumed in ever larger doses to get our fix. Hence the hubris of the Bush years, the neoconservative agenda to make the U.S. supreme throughout the twenty-first century, and the doctrine of full-spectrum military dominance.
We are now reaping the bitter fruits of our Faustian bargain.
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» It's true! 'mericans have lost their dicks!
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» Nah, we just elected them to public office -- then they absconded with the loot
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» 'the patriotic American proclaims: "From my cold dead hand!" And in his hand? The tv remote
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» NOT ME! It's right HERE in my hand
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» The whole WEST is too consumptive.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Mar 16, 2009 1:49 AM
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[The corporate front organization Center for Union Facts] has placed several full-page ads in the New York Times (at $150,000 a pop) that crudely caricature union leaders as thugs.
This is a common caricature of union leaders. I can recall Michael Bloomberg, the smarmy piece of shit mayor of NYC, building this caricature to criticize leaders of the transit strike in December, 2005.
Bloomberg:
The leadership of the TWU has thuggishly turned their backs on New York City and disgraced the noble concept of public service.
This image of unions as coarse, vulgar, primitive, dirty, low brow, and backward has been used for the past few decades, especially since Reagan, to bash unions.
The reason this tactic has worked on many ordinary people is they want to believe they have entered this ethereal and amorphous thing called the American middle class, thus they are subconsciously swayed to dislike unions due to unions' lower-class associations as depicted by corporatist propaganda.
It is many people's own prejudice against the working class, and their refusal to acknowledge that in fact they are working class - a prejudice which is based on insecure, easily manipulated arrogance - that has facilitated the corporatist effort to destroy unions and along with them, workers' rights.
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» RE: Class prejudice by the so-called middle class helps keep unions down.
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» "Joe Six Pack" is an interesting meme.
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» You've hit the nail on the head. Blue collar is somehow less than white collar in spite of reality.
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Posted by: -matti on Mar 16, 2009 1:54 AM
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If this gets in, Corporatists would be forced to either drop their most effective union-busting tools overnight or face a storm of lawsuits which they would be hard pressed to win.
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» Indeed having a union is no guarantee things will get better for workers.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 16, 2009 2:55 AM
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Forgiving the Neocons, starring me.
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» Above quotes how much respect given workers !!!!!
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Posted by: zrants on Mar 16, 2009 3:17 AM
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My respect for unions has grown through my experience. I support unions and believe they are an important balance to the power of corporate lobbies.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 16, 2009 4:22 AM
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"For the People and By the people" was not just meant for our form of Government (which they have also worked very hard to undermine), but also the FREE MARKET!!
One need only look back to the fall of all other Great Empires throughout history to KNOW that when the wealth created by the Working class is siphoned off and Hoarded by the Few, that society dies. Trickle Down was not a 'flaw' in logic, it was a high Crime. Our Founders Knew that and intentionally began the Greatest Experiment known to Humanity- allowing the masses to not only determine their destiny, but own and control the wealth they produced.
In every aspect of of communal life, lures a Corp. Far worse are those Multinationals who have no allegience to US, even though we may be the nation that gave them 'life'. Every worker around the world, should Thank a Old Union Orgnaizer. They not only set a standard for Work, but provided enough 'disposable'income to become the greatest Consumers of World products- The labor movement did not just build the Middle Class, or just this nation, they built the world economy because of the ability to consume and because it inspired others to seek better wages and working conditions. In turn Generating more wealth for those countries and others.
By only allowing only a Trickle of wealth to feed back down, the upper echeleon Dehydrated the very engine which created and maintained their life styles.
In fact limiting the scope of criminality to just Treason, is not taking into account the extent of the devastation they have caused. They have ruined Global commerce and thus depleted the funds of numerous Charities trying to provide services around the world. Our Small donations are what these organization Thrive off.So add Crimes against Humanity to the list of Atrocities committed by the Logo'ed Monarchies.
"A WORKING CLASS HERO IS SOMETHING TO BE"- J. Lennon. Heros to their families, their comunities, their states, their Country and the World!
The Corps, Repugs AND their Blue pocket puppies Logo tag line should read "Let them Eat Cake"
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 16, 2009 4:51 AM
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Yep, That describes unions perfectly.
Union leader make deal with corporations. take pay offs in many ways and god forbid a union member question a union leader or rep. He'd be found in a back ally someplace with his head bashed in.
Unions are nothing more than a poower base for the most corrupt in our society. They "represent" workers but they really represent themselves and just use workers as a means for their end.
I've been in a union and I have family members in unions..Electrical union in NYC who is till this day suing them for back pay for a job related injury that is preventing him from working.
Want to help workers, let the government run the unions - they may not be the brightest bulbs in the pack but for the most part lower level government workers are pretty honest!
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» Pay up or talk to the "bat"
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» The early 1960s had working class Democrats, not corporate kissyface types like Clinton and Barry.
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» The Unions are allowing the Republicans and corporate/bluedog/dlc Dims to ruin them !
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» Yeah, check out my state of MO (Misery), used to be strong union representation but today,
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» You need to turn off the Fox news you live on.
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» "...let the government run the unions.."
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Posted by: pinnacle on Mar 16, 2009 4:55 AM
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The fact is that the union bosses really don't give a crap about the employees. Unions are organizations with employees just like companies. And, incidently, they have their own share of labor problems.
However, why don't you take a look at the auto industry and try to convince the union members there that their leadership has saved them. Bull!
Yes, there needs to be balance, and, yes, corporate leaders should be held accountable for keeping jobs in the USA, but the very unions you speak of have done nothing to ensure either. You speak of productivity improvements. In rare cases unions have partnered with management on team systems and skill based pay, but the majority of productivity improvements in american industry have come from technology which was fought continuously by the very unions you are promoting.
Simply put, you're wrong!
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Posted by: ellie on Mar 16, 2009 4:58 AM
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get the bill passed now before things get worse... this way the corporate rats will be cornered at their weakest point... they will have no choice but to unionize while they are barely operating now, this is the weak point for them... finally...
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 16, 2009 5:09 AM
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» Fingers crossed?
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» I wouldn't blame Jennifer. The rightwing Democrats in DC are just like the ones here in MI.
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» Thank you. By the way, sorry to hear about MI. Same mess here with the MO Democratic Party.
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» Beck, I was wondering where you've been lately.
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» Yeah, Washington has no trustworthiness these days.
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Posted by: Honky the Nihilist. on Mar 16, 2009 5:19 AM
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» Apparently, Honky the Onanist is not an efficiency expert.
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» "the tools the corporate overlords use"
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» Learn to read asshole
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Posted by: peacelf on Mar 16, 2009 5:25 AM
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1) corporate charters last 5 -10 years
2) corporations cannot own property.
3) corporation's charter can be revoked if they do not provide a community service or product.
4) corporations cannot buy another corporation.
These few rules would prevent corporations from becoming too big and powerful for their/our britches.
peace
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» RE: FCA just the beginning
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Mar 16, 2009 6:00 AM
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No doubt he had been influenced by a discussion of the topic on the radio or television, but he was convinced that the American auto industry was being brought down, not by poor management, but by unions that had driven wages up to $80/hour and benefits that provided 90% of that pay during a lay-off. He was absolutely convinced of these "facts" and would not consider the possibility that the hourly wage he quoted might be a bloated or loaded figure.
What I found interesting though was his response to my question of whether he would like such benefits for himself. "Sure!"
There is a peculiar element of envy that enters any discussion about unions. Somehow people don't want others to get something that they do not have for themselves. Oddly, this envy motivation seems stronger with others in fairly similar circumstances and we do not feel the envy relative to CEO's, sports figures or entertainment stars.
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» RE: Envy
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» RE: nvy
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» RE: Envy
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» RE: nvy
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» Value
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» That's an important observation.
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Mar 16, 2009 6:24 AM
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» RE: I swear this could make the story like for the Sopranos Movie
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» Unions = mob
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» RE: Unions = mob
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» And you had the gall to tell me you're not a troll like edgar1.
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» Investment brokers = mob
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» Newsflash. The Soprano's are not a history book.
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» That would be a pretty lame movie.
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» "...why I hate... yes hate Democrat Socialism."
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Posted by: solrev on Mar 16, 2009 6:31 AM
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» RE: Unions what are they good for
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» solrev, what a wonderful post.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Mar 16, 2009 6:34 AM
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I hope you're watching Reagan from where ever you are....remember PATCO.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Mar 16, 2009 7:15 AM
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Posted by: peacemom528 on Mar 16, 2009 7:22 AM
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If you want to understand what's going on with our monetary, environmental, and resource delivery systems, check out:
The Crash Course by Dr. Chris Martenson
It is worth spending a few hours going through the whole course and then sending it on to others!
It is up to us to demand change, explore options, and place well-being and quality of life over the mythical "American Dream" of money for nothing!
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Mar 16, 2009 7:24 AM
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» Corporations have always had ass-backwards policies
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» RE: Unions have always had ass-backwards policies
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» "Unions should concentrate on organizing WORLDWIDE..."
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Posted by: AWestColbert on Mar 16, 2009 7:52 AM
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Posted by: Hiroak on Mar 16, 2009 7:58 AM
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What a scum bag, Home Depot also loves to sell South American Hardwoods for fat ass Merkins to walk on yet depletes the rain forest. Who needs these kind of people?
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» RE: Don't shop at Home Depot
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» I try my dammest to shop mom and pop
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» Really, really cheap bastards
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» RE: Don't shop at Home Depot Or At Lowes
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Mar 16, 2009 8:00 AM
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the better to pull off their rape, and justify it by saying that their dirty dealings are "only what their shareholders want".
Evan if they were capable of crapping gold bricks they still would be worthless excuses for human beings. Death to them all.
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Posted by: Stew on Mar 16, 2009 8:03 AM
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Steve Martin was right.
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Posted by: ctuck622 on Mar 16, 2009 8:06 AM
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I worked as an underpaid staff employee many years ago for a FL university. My earnings were at or below the poverty level for the 6-1/2 yrs. I worked there. When my job was "politically" eliminated & my rights subsequently violated on a daily basis, the union would not lift a finger because I wasn't a dues-paying member. After blatant in-house blackballing, I was terminated for "medical reasons." (Several yrs. later I heard they changed this, but it was too late for me, & of course, simply stating that non-dues-paying members would receive representation does not make it true.) Unbeknownst to me at the time, I was subsequently blackballed from all State of Florida full-time employment, though I incurred over $100,000 in student loans to attend graduate school to prepare for a college-teaching career. In 2006, I finally caught the State of FL "red-handed," & have spent the past 3 yrs. of my life, though not in the greatest of health & living on a meager Social Security Disability benefit, representing myself pro se, doing my own legal research & document preparation & filing, because no attys would take my case because I have no money & "legal aid" societies do not take on cases of this magnitude.
Had I received proper & knowledgeable union representation, much of this could have been avoided, but such was not the case.
I fully support the Employee Free Choice Act, but unions MUST keep their collective "noses clean" & not behave in the same corrupt, "political" manner as the corporations & govt agencies against whom they fight for "their" rights.
If America as a country, including corporations, politicians, govt agencies, unions, & individuals fails to learn from the mistakes of the past, America, once the greatest country in the world, like Rome, will fall, and those who refuse to acknowledge that we are in an exponentially-increasing downward spiral, need to swallow their pride & take the blinders off before it is too late.
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Posted by: cyr3n on Mar 16, 2009 8:31 AM
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Posted by: ozonekidd on Mar 16, 2009 8:30 AM
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Solidarity for the One Big Union.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Mar 16, 2009 9:25 AM
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white collar workers are just too fragmented by job title and function to be unionized. computer programmers or lawyers in a big firm? accountants and consultants?
plus we are moving increasingly to a nation of independent contractors and parttime workers. I believe in card check, indeed until Taft Hartley is repealed, you'll never evenout the union/corporate disparity. Good luck to labor on this one, but it may be too late in terms of how the workplace is defined in a hightech world.
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Posted by: Jacko95 on Mar 16, 2009 9:41 AM
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RT
http://www.privacy.at.tc
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» Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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Posted by: Lilly on Mar 16, 2009 9:44 AM
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Oh.
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» So have a contract.
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» If the federal government were smart, they'd issue an ultimatum.
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Mar 16, 2009 10:41 AM
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Posted by: bettyn on Mar 16, 2009 11:29 AM
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Is the mafia in bed with the CIA? You bet your ass it is. It's been that way for at least half a century, if not longer. The CIA is the most seditious organization in the country. It needs to be totally fumigated! I think most people will be amazed at the number and identity of some of the rats in the walls of that organization. (I don't think I will be...but it'll open a lot of eyes that are now closed when it happens. We need an end to shadow government run by corporate warthogs!)
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Posted by: archivist on Mar 16, 2009 11:44 AM
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AND automatic inclusion of foriegn workers into the union if any exsist.
A great deal of our problems exsist because corporations can use foreign labor that is basically free labor compared to the American worker while still able to sell to 1st world nations such as America. If the foreign worker is due the same wage as an American it makes the whole system MORE competetive.
Demand an equitable wage from companies AND property rights from governments before they are allowed to export to America or the EU.
Who Will Tell The People
by William Grieder
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Posted by: willymack on Mar 16, 2009 12:00 PM
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Posted by: mistawiz on Mar 16, 2009 12:03 PM
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What about the many times that companies have abrogated their obligations with regard to company pensions an health benefits of retirees with the blessings of government agencies?
Once again the system, Democratic or Republican, is stacked against the common man, in favor of the rich and powerful.
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» You're right, this contractual obligation line is bullshit and Larry Summers
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» RE: THE LAW 'N' ORDER GANG
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Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on Mar 16, 2009 1:16 PM
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» Agreed. In a real democacy paying for political access should be illegal.
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» RE: Outlaw lobbying and...
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Posted by: Watercolors on Mar 16, 2009 1:21 PM
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Posted by: foxxx on Mar 16, 2009 2:01 PM
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» Impenetrable
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 16, 2009 4:06 PM
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» "In most developed countries, corporations and unions are getting along just fine"
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Posted by: frank69 on Mar 16, 2009 4:45 PM
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Posted by: dayahka on Mar 16, 2009 7:20 PM
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Posted by: Lilly on Mar 16, 2009 9:38 PM
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They got me a job in the canning works
And every morning I had to fill
The tank in the yard with gasoline
That fed the blow-fire in the sheds
To heat the soldering irons,
And I mounted a rickety ladder to do it,
Carrying buckets full of the stuff.
One morning, as I stood there pouring,
The air grew still and seemed to heave
And I shot up as the tank exploded,
And down I came with both legs broken
And my eyes burned crisp as a couple of eggs
For someone left a blow-fire going
And something sucked the flame in the tank.
The Circuit Judge said whoever did it
Was a fellow-servant of mine and so
Old Man Rhodes didn't have to pay me.
And I sat on the witness stand as blind
As Jack the Fiddler, saying over and over,
"But I didn't know him at all."
E L Masters, "Spoon River Anthology"
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Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson on Mar 17, 2009 8:21 AM
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The meeting of this Trilateral Commission defies our laws. Americans meeting behind closed doors with foreign leaders and persons violates the Logan Act.
Groups such as these decide who gets what (mostly the EU royals) from us.
Demand we not protect or support this group. Their plan for PNAC goals is theirs not ours. Demand our Justice Department deny it to meet here with any Americans. They threaten our security and future.
Meeting under our noses without press or Americans not allowed to see what is said by who, etc. is plain arrogance and treason. As a representative of the people I expect you (the President, Congress, etc.) to protest this group who thinks they represent our future goals. They are elite and not elected to represent us.
Arrest any who attend this meeting since they violate the Logan Act. Demand the police who protect them with our dollars not arrest protestors, etc.
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Posted by: zepher on Mar 17, 2009 8:39 AM
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Posted by: gellero1 on Mar 17, 2009 11:25 AM
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Of course, no one really prevents unions from organizing workers now. there are plenty of legal protections.
Any moron can sign a card without knowing what it means. How many of the fools signed up for ARMs??
This is a power grab, pure and simple. Secret elections are the American Way.
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Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Mar 17, 2009 12:03 PM
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Thank you
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Posted by: justacitizen on Mar 18, 2009 11:11 AM
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It's rather ironic. We hear of corp revenues/profit being down (for the most part)and the corp menace are crying big tears. Why? Token pay raises and job outsourcing. American workers simply have no money to spend anymore.
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 18, 2009 1:20 PM
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AIG boss asks bonus recipients to return half the cash...
*Concerned for safety of employees; doesn't want to disclose names...
Hedge Funds May Get AIG Bailout Cash...
VIDEO: Taxpayers Gather In Cities To Protest Spending, Growing Debt...
THIS IS HOW DEMS MANAGE AN ECONOMY...THE SAME DEMS THAT ALLOW FANNIE TO BE LOOTED (BY DEMS RAINES & GORELICK), THEN ALLOW FANNIE BONUSES...
THEY ARE SO INEPT BECAUSE THEY NEVER RAN A BUSINESS...THEY JUST KNOW "WHAT THE DEM KOOKS" TOLD THEM IN COLLEGE CLASSES...
DID I MENTION THE POSTAL SERVICE LOST 7 BILLION THE PAST 2 YEARS AND THEY STOLE ALL OF OUR SOCIAL SECURITY RESERVES TO BUY VOTES?
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 18, 2009 4:08 PM
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BREAKING: I was responsible for bonus loophole, says Dodd
Posted: 05:56 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Senate Banking committee Chairman Christopher Dodd told CNN’s Dana Bash and Wolf Blitzer Wednesday that he was responsible for adding the bonus loophole into the stimulus package that permitted AIG and other companies that received bailout funds to pay bonuses.
Watch: I'm responsible for bonus loophole, Dodd says
On Tuesday, Dodd denied to CNN that he had anything to do with the adding of that provision.
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 19, 2009 5:51 AM
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CRAWISH NOTE: Democrat Dodd lied, CEOs fried...That last line is more like the blame-shifting dems we all know...they can't manage a hot dog stand...or the Postal Service or Social Security reserves or the border or or....but they sure can mouth off about how great secular socialism will be...after a few trillion dollars (borrowed) and a few thousand laws. NOT.
Will Obama give back his $102,000 also? NOT.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
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Posted by: Tony D on Mar 20, 2009 12:05 AM
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Posted by: om7buss on Mar 20, 2009 5:41 PM
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 21, 2009 4:48 PM
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Highest ratio to GDP since 1940s
CRAWFISH NOTE: You wanted an inexperienced smooth smiling kool radical secular socialist…ya got one.
Take another look at your 401K cause that mega-drop is gonna be your Labor Day and Thanksgiving present too…along with a huge box of baloney democrat excuses. Ya gonna pay and pay and pay for all this vote-buying spend-a-thon. We are talking taxes and inflation…and inflation hammers the “little guy” more…as usual the libs trash their own voters the most with their “good intentions equals bad results” approach socialism.
Jimmah Carter is back…suckers.
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Posted by: reelman on Mar 22, 2009 7:37 PM
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FAIRFIELD, Conn. (AP) - A busload of activists representing working- and middle-class families paid visits Saturday to the lavish homes of American International Group executives to protest the tens of millions of dollars in bonuses awarded by the struggling insurance company after it received a massive federal bailout.
About 40 protesters sought to urge AIG executives who received a portion of the $165 million in bonuses to do more to help families.
CRAWFISH NOTE: Will any “protesters” visit the homes of Raines, Gorelick or Johnson? They are the never-mentioned-cause-we-got-a pass democrats that looted Fannie-Freddie for over $110 million of your tax money for platinum parachute bonuses as those quasi-gov-meant institutions LOST billions. Well, when is the congress going to do that? Ohhh, never…sue-prise, sue-prize.
By the way, what any CEO makes is only the business of the shareholders. The business of theft from gov-meant should be the business of congress…but its NOT. More liberal demonizing of private industry while our bloated ever-growing gov-meant gets zero scrutiny if any democrat loots it. Same ole democrats.
Did I mention democrats wrote the CEOs’ “bonus okay” into the STIM bill then lied about that? Yep, same ole democrats.
Demonizing a CEO never created a job or helped your sick IRA…suckers.
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