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The Financial Crisis Pushes Europe to the Brink of Disaster
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KREMS, Austria -- Obsessed as we are about our own crumbling economy, it's hard for most Americans to see and appreciate the global nature of the crisis and how it is impacting, and will impact, others throughout the world. We don't recognize how many in other countries blame the fall of their own economies on a kind of "financial AIDS" born in the USA.
Protests are spreading through the European continent. Britain has put its own army on alert for fear of disruptions this summer by anarchists bent on class war with slogans like "burn a banker." Mass demonstrations show no sign of abating in France, Iceland, Ireland, Greece and other EU countries.
People here have politicized economic issues, perhaps because of a more thorough and diverse media environment, as well as an expectation that their governments have a duty to protect their people.
When I arrived in Vienna, Austria, for a film forum and festival at the Danube University, I was surprised to see merchandise and remainders marked down to flea-market prices in the usually pricey booths at an airport known for peddling luxury brands.
Some think the European Union and the euro zone may not survive the tremors. European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said on Friday: "The European Union is facing an unprecedented situation due to the economic crisis and needs to work at different levels to restore credit flows." He said the bloc's economy is expected to contract by 2 percent this year.
General Motors, with 32,000 jobs at risk, wants a bailout from European governments, too.
Eastern Europe is feeling the crunch the worst, with its currencies reeling. One such example is Hungary, which was once a model for how the free market can replace Soviet-bloc economics. Western Europe has so far declined to meet their requests for more bailouts.
There are also waves of protests under way in the east. Left publications report:
... thousands of demonstrators in Lithuania, Latvia and Bulgaria have attacked government buildings and called on their governments to resign as unemployment soars in Eastern Europe.
Experts predict a regional increase of 15 million to 18 million unemployed in the coming months, with no relief as jobs for immigrants disappear in Western Europe and the United States.
Mike Whitney writes:
The global economy is decelerating at the fastest pace on record. Forty percent of global wealth has been wiped out. The banking system is insolvent, unemployment is soaring, tax revenues are falling, the markets are in shock, housing is crashing, deficits are soaring and consumer confidence is at its lowest point in history.
When you look at some of the numbers, you can see the time bombs that are ticking away. According to Ed Bonawitz, many countries are in deep shock: "Ireland's external debt, at $1.8 trillion, equals 900 percent of the country's $200 billion GDP. The United Kingdom's external debt of $10.5 trillion equals 456 percent of its $2.3 trillion GDP. Switzerland's external debt of $1.3 trillion equals 433 percent of its $300 billion GDP. Now that the credit markets are locked tight, renegotiating the terms of these loans is virtually impossible." U.S. banks are said to have a loan ratio of around 26-to-1, and European Banks have one that is around 60-to-1.
F. William Engdahl writes:
The problems in Eastern Europe, which are just now emerging with full force are, if you will, an indirect consequence of the libertine monetary policies of the Greenspan Fed from 2002 until 2006, the period where Wall Street's asset-backed securitization Ponzi scheme took off.
The riskiness of these Eastern European loans is now coming to light as the global economic recession in both east and west Europe is forcing Western banks to pull back, refusing to renew loans or 'rollover' the credits, leaving thousands of borrowers with unpayable loan debts. The dimension of the Eastern European emerging loan crisis pales anything yet realized …
According to my well-informed City of London sources, the new concerns over bank exposures to Eastern Europe will define the next wave of the global financial crisis, one they believe could be even more devastating than the U.S. subprime securitization collapse, which triggered the entire crisis of confidence.
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Posted by: Nodarse on Mar 12, 2009 3:52 AM
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I recommend solving this global problem in a manner similar to how it was created. Simply, pass a law that nullifies all debts owed to the Central Banks of the world. They created all this imaginary cash using our laws, so let’s eliminate this mess the same way.
Eliminate all debts worldwide, and start over.
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Posted by: talkville on Mar 12, 2009 4:49 AM
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Anyone who still believes, contrary to all kinds of everyday evidence, that this is still a world that can be understood under the framework of the Westphalian paradigm is severely ideological or just plain blind.
The bourgeoisie, capital (productive and financial), is now assimilated above any particular country or region or area. Their interests are separate from the interests of any particular populations in their countries of origin.
They settle the distributions of the proceeds by means of little (very lucrative) Proxy Wars and Disturbances in this or that part of the world, using the lives and bodies of their populations for those purposes.
It's a world problem -- mainly for the bottom 80%. A "head-ache" for the top 20%
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Posted by: floridahank on Mar 12, 2009 6:07 AM
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follow it as they did, but it’s time to do something drastic and effective in our nation of eoncomic crisis, corruption and waste.
The Sabbatical year and Jubilee year laws in the Bible demonstrate the nature of Israelite society as a communitarian, agricultural society. As the name suggests, the Sabbatical year is tied to the biblical concept of the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week and a time of rest. The Jubilee and Sabbatical years provided a form of regular debt release to stabilize social and economic gaps that naturally develop in society.
According to the Hebrew Bible, during the seventh year all land had to be left untilled and unplanted, and debts from close neighbors that had been unpaid during the previous six years were to be cancelled. These laws of land use and debt remission are not necessarily originally connected but appear to be grouped together under the single general category of the seventh/ Sabbatical year or Shemittah (Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 23:10-11, Leviticus 25:1-7, 18-22, and Deuteronomy 15:1-11, 12-18) by the time the Bible was produced.
These laws demonstrate the biblical nature of societal obligations and a theocratic underpinning for the land and the society. They also represent the careful balance of social equality that is represented in economic terms.
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Posted by: chorton on Mar 12, 2009 7:16 AM
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However, every dollar of debt is a dollar of someone else's property, and even as that property is evaporating they are all trying desperately to hold onto and save it - or to transfer it into government bonds with the payments coming from the taxpayers. And the debt-owners are the same "best people" who control the government, the media and the armed services!
This article brings out one of the triad of strategies they will turn to: organized crime, which played a part in the rise of European fascism in the 20's and 30's. The other two are government repression and turning loose and financing a whole spectrum of "hate groups". In Germany, the NaZis represented the merger of all three of these strategies, with tragic consequences for the world.
The revolutionaries - the people - will be those defending our government and Constitution from our own crazed ruling class and its agents and looking for a legal framework for liquidating the debt.
If we fail, the alternative is "socialization" of the debt, and the evolution of a government of the rich acting as a giant tyrannical "juice racket", extracting money directly from a desperate and downtrodden people and paying it directly to the rich bond-holders or ladling it out in "no-bid contracts" to the corporations. This is already starting to happen, with Bush's wars and now the "bailouts".
The prospects for our species and planet if we lose would be bleak indeed.
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Posted by: undead on Mar 12, 2009 7:19 AM
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Then give the money to society to compensate the USA for the mess they made of the economy and financial systems.
If the rich are so good at making money, they will make it back, and the people will get restitution for the incompetence and corrupt they made.
This is a fair solution.
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Mar 12, 2009 8:50 AM
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For the last 200 years, the world economy, has had the prospect of unlimited energy resources to build their economies. Wall Street, a financial system that absolutely relies on this fact, only operates when economies can be grown by injecting additional energy resources into those economies. We are now beyond world peak oil and beyond the time when there are additional energy resources to inject into economies to pay for the interest on loans extended to grow those economies. So we are at a juncture where the entire system has to be re-worked to provide stability with the prospect of declining energy resources. That means we have to jettison Wall Street, not bail it out, if we are going to survive. The entire fractional reserve banking system is no longer tenable. We have to move to fee banking or at least perhaps a 50% fractional resereve banking system to slow growth to sustainable levels. See Wikipedia - Fractional-reserve banking
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as the international financier michel sindona wrote when dying (therefore untouchable), as the international illegal drug business boils down to one major pyramid cartel representing roughly 8% of world GDP; the only entities on earth which could possibly handle that cash-flow are the central banks & the world's largest governments working hand in glove between the cartels & the banks. the great senator frank church of the largely still-secreted 1970s hearings, used to call the viet/cambodia/laos conflicts which cost over 5 million lives, 'the golden triangle war,' after all. as mark twain said, "if you can't figure out why they're fighting a war; find out what the cash crop is."
drugwarI, aka Prohibition, showed the enormous revenue-stream to be had when a bottle of whiskey soared to $40 a gallon. prohibition required a constitutional amendment due to the 9th, 10th & 14th amendments; but we note that since 1933 when prohibition ended & prohibitionII began - no amendment, constitution just ignored while 33 million americans have been imprisoned, mostly along apartheid racial lines, similarly to germany's handling of 'undesirables.'
what we're really looking at is a merger of criminal organizations taking advantage of a situation created precisely for their benefit by criminal governments & banks. note that the word 'conspire' means 'to breathe with' & most conspiracies are just a matter of being in the same club & tacitly agreeing on 'the way things should be.' the conspirators reap trillions yearly while much of the human population is wrongly criminalized for simply seeking their life, liberty & pursuit of happiness.'
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Posted by: justcrap on Mar 12, 2009 12:13 PM
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Where did you get that?
Switzerland's external debt equals 43% of the GDP and that means about 222Bil. in 2007.
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/
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Posted by: rigadimd on Mar 12, 2009 2:09 PM
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Specifically in reference to Latvia "thousands of demonstrators attacking government buildings."
Yes there were apprx. 10,000 peaceful protestors. After they disbursed a little over a hundred drunken hooligans went on a rampage destroying property and attacking police officers who tried to stop them.
I consider you grossly irresponsible for perpetuating incorrect information without checking your sources.
The Financial Crisis Pushes Europe to the Brink of Disaster
By Danny Schechter, AlterNet. Posted March 12, 2009.
There are also waves of protests under way in the east. Left publications report:
... thousands of demonstrators in Lithuania, Latvia and Bulgaria have attacked government buildings and called on their governments to resign as unemployment soars in Eastern Europe.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 12, 2009 4:44 PM
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. . . .
"If trends continue"? Wall Street is already there, fused up to its collective ass.
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Posted by: akmuo on Mar 12, 2009 6:46 PM
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I have been scanning their news and nothing of the sort was reported...
There is fear of currency devaluation... up coming presidential elections and such.
...but no one is storming the government buildings
what else stinks here?
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Posted by: Exile65 on Mar 13, 2009 1:52 AM
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But this article, apart from its scare-mongering about organized crime and the collapse of society, does not say anything at all about the roots of the issue in Europe.
Debt always involves two parties. So, European banks (and consequently, nations) owe sums far exceeding their assets or GDP. To whom do they owe this money? Who are the lucky counterparties who will get all the taxpayer bailout money?
The EU has no subprime mortgage issue. Getting a mortgage in Europe involves strict controls over the homebuyer's income. So where do these massive debts and overleveraging come from? Buying US credit default swaps? The EU tends to have strong regulation in many areas. How did banks get the freedom to leverage 60-to-1? Where the heck did that come from, and when?
It is utterly absurd to think that European societies will let their middle classes collapse and organized crime take over, all to prop up some dodgy contracts. Contracts can be enforced only by the courts, and the courts can throw out bad contracts. And contracts that destroy the society are by definition bad. Why does this article contemplate the utter destruction of society but won't contemplate nullifying insane contracts? Why aren't these banks being reorganized/nationalized and their obligations cancelled?
Let's see an article about what is behind this issue, rather than sensationalism about riots and the mafia. When there is debt, someone is the counterparty. WHO ARE THE COUNTERPARTIES?
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Posted by: Nodarse on Mar 12, 2009 3:52 AM
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I recommend solving this global problem in a manner similar to how it was created. Simply, pass a law that nullifies all debts owed to the Central Banks of the world. They created all this imaginary cash using our laws, so let’s eliminate this mess the same way.
Eliminate all debts worldwide, and start over.
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Posted by: talkville on Mar 12, 2009 4:49 AM
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Anyone who still believes, contrary to all kinds of everyday evidence, that this is still a world that can be understood under the framework of the Westphalian paradigm is severely ideological or just plain blind.
The bourgeoisie, capital (productive and financial), is now assimilated above any particular country or region or area. Their interests are separate from the interests of any particular populations in their countries of origin.
They settle the distributions of the proceeds by means of little (very lucrative) Proxy Wars and Disturbances in this or that part of the world, using the lives and bodies of their populations for those purposes.
It's a world problem -- mainly for the bottom 80%. A "head-ache" for the top 20%
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Posted by: floridahank on Mar 12, 2009 6:07 AM
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follow it as they did, but it’s time to do something drastic and effective in our nation of eoncomic crisis, corruption and waste.
The Sabbatical year and Jubilee year laws in the Bible demonstrate the nature of Israelite society as a communitarian, agricultural society. As the name suggests, the Sabbatical year is tied to the biblical concept of the Sabbath, the seventh day of the week and a time of rest. The Jubilee and Sabbatical years provided a form of regular debt release to stabilize social and economic gaps that naturally develop in society.
According to the Hebrew Bible, during the seventh year all land had to be left untilled and unplanted, and debts from close neighbors that had been unpaid during the previous six years were to be cancelled. These laws of land use and debt remission are not necessarily originally connected but appear to be grouped together under the single general category of the seventh/ Sabbatical year or Shemittah (Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 23:10-11, Leviticus 25:1-7, 18-22, and Deuteronomy 15:1-11, 12-18) by the time the Bible was produced.
These laws demonstrate the biblical nature of societal obligations and a theocratic underpinning for the land and the society. They also represent the careful balance of social equality that is represented in economic terms.
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Posted by: chorton on Mar 12, 2009 7:16 AM
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However, every dollar of debt is a dollar of someone else's property, and even as that property is evaporating they are all trying desperately to hold onto and save it - or to transfer it into government bonds with the payments coming from the taxpayers. And the debt-owners are the same "best people" who control the government, the media and the armed services!
This article brings out one of the triad of strategies they will turn to: organized crime, which played a part in the rise of European fascism in the 20's and 30's. The other two are government repression and turning loose and financing a whole spectrum of "hate groups". In Germany, the NaZis represented the merger of all three of these strategies, with tragic consequences for the world.
The revolutionaries - the people - will be those defending our government and Constitution from our own crazed ruling class and its agents and looking for a legal framework for liquidating the debt.
If we fail, the alternative is "socialization" of the debt, and the evolution of a government of the rich acting as a giant tyrannical "juice racket", extracting money directly from a desperate and downtrodden people and paying it directly to the rich bond-holders or ladling it out in "no-bid contracts" to the corporations. This is already starting to happen, with Bush's wars and now the "bailouts".
The prospects for our species and planet if we lose would be bleak indeed.
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Posted by: undead on Mar 12, 2009 7:19 AM
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Then give the money to society to compensate the USA for the mess they made of the economy and financial systems.
If the rich are so good at making money, they will make it back, and the people will get restitution for the incompetence and corrupt they made.
This is a fair solution.
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Mar 12, 2009 8:50 AM
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For the last 200 years, the world economy, has had the prospect of unlimited energy resources to build their economies. Wall Street, a financial system that absolutely relies on this fact, only operates when economies can be grown by injecting additional energy resources into those economies. We are now beyond world peak oil and beyond the time when there are additional energy resources to inject into economies to pay for the interest on loans extended to grow those economies. So we are at a juncture where the entire system has to be re-worked to provide stability with the prospect of declining energy resources. That means we have to jettison Wall Street, not bail it out, if we are going to survive. The entire fractional reserve banking system is no longer tenable. We have to move to fee banking or at least perhaps a 50% fractional resereve banking system to slow growth to sustainable levels. See Wikipedia - Fractional-reserve banking
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Mar 12, 2009 11:15 AM
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as the international financier michel sindona wrote when dying (therefore untouchable), as the international illegal drug business boils down to one major pyramid cartel representing roughly 8% of world GDP; the only entities on earth which could possibly handle that cash-flow are the central banks & the world's largest governments working hand in glove between the cartels & the banks. the great senator frank church of the largely still-secreted 1970s hearings, used to call the viet/cambodia/laos conflicts which cost over 5 million lives, 'the golden triangle war,' after all. as mark twain said, "if you can't figure out why they're fighting a war; find out what the cash crop is."
drugwarI, aka Prohibition, showed the enormous revenue-stream to be had when a bottle of whiskey soared to $40 a gallon. prohibition required a constitutional amendment due to the 9th, 10th & 14th amendments; but we note that since 1933 when prohibition ended & prohibitionII began - no amendment, constitution just ignored while 33 million americans have been imprisoned, mostly along apartheid racial lines, similarly to germany's handling of 'undesirables.'
what we're really looking at is a merger of criminal organizations taking advantage of a situation created precisely for their benefit by criminal governments & banks. note that the word 'conspire' means 'to breathe with' & most conspiracies are just a matter of being in the same club & tacitly agreeing on 'the way things should be.' the conspirators reap trillions yearly while much of the human population is wrongly criminalized for simply seeking their life, liberty & pursuit of happiness.'
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Posted by: justcrap on Mar 12, 2009 12:13 PM
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Where did you get that?
Switzerland's external debt equals 43% of the GDP and that means about 222Bil. in 2007.
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/
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Posted by: rigadimd on Mar 12, 2009 2:09 PM
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Specifically in reference to Latvia "thousands of demonstrators attacking government buildings."
Yes there were apprx. 10,000 peaceful protestors. After they disbursed a little over a hundred drunken hooligans went on a rampage destroying property and attacking police officers who tried to stop them.
I consider you grossly irresponsible for perpetuating incorrect information without checking your sources.
The Financial Crisis Pushes Europe to the Brink of Disaster
By Danny Schechter, AlterNet. Posted March 12, 2009.
There are also waves of protests under way in the east. Left publications report:
... thousands of demonstrators in Lithuania, Latvia and Bulgaria have attacked government buildings and called on their governments to resign as unemployment soars in Eastern Europe.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Mar 12, 2009 4:03 PM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 12, 2009 4:44 PM
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"If trends continue"? Wall Street is already there, fused up to its collective ass.
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Posted by: akmuo on Mar 12, 2009 6:46 PM
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I have been scanning their news and nothing of the sort was reported...
There is fear of currency devaluation... up coming presidential elections and such.
...but no one is storming the government buildings
what else stinks here?
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Posted by: reportergary on Mar 12, 2009 7:06 PM
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Please go to my blog, http://www.garybaumgarten.com to link to the chat.
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Gary
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Posted by: Exile65 on Mar 13, 2009 1:52 AM
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But this article, apart from its scare-mongering about organized crime and the collapse of society, does not say anything at all about the roots of the issue in Europe.
Debt always involves two parties. So, European banks (and consequently, nations) owe sums far exceeding their assets or GDP. To whom do they owe this money? Who are the lucky counterparties who will get all the taxpayer bailout money?
The EU has no subprime mortgage issue. Getting a mortgage in Europe involves strict controls over the homebuyer's income. So where do these massive debts and overleveraging come from? Buying US credit default swaps? The EU tends to have strong regulation in many areas. How did banks get the freedom to leverage 60-to-1? Where the heck did that come from, and when?
It is utterly absurd to think that European societies will let their middle classes collapse and organized crime take over, all to prop up some dodgy contracts. Contracts can be enforced only by the courts, and the courts can throw out bad contracts. And contracts that destroy the society are by definition bad. Why does this article contemplate the utter destruction of society but won't contemplate nullifying insane contracts? Why aren't these banks being reorganized/nationalized and their obligations cancelled?
Let's see an article about what is behind this issue, rather than sensationalism about riots and the mafia. When there is debt, someone is the counterparty. WHO ARE THE COUNTERPARTIES?
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