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1/3 Of America Is Crazy: They Think Their Jobs Are Safe
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According to a recently released AP-GfK poll, 32% of Americans are crazy.
Oh, sorry. The poll actually revealed that 47% of those asked worry "a lot" or "some" about the possibility of losing their jobs. True, that's nearly twice as many as the same poll detected in February 2008, when only 28% of Americans polled raised their hands and acknowledged anxiety.
More noteworthy, though, and much more difficult to explain, is this conundrum: If the AP-GfK poll is to be trusted, almost one-third of all Americans say that they are worried about losing their jobs "not much" or "not at all."
Let's think about what this means. The current official U.S. unemployment rate of 7.6% (up from 7.2% just one month earlier) doesn't faze this optimistic bunch; nor, we might assume, would the news that the real unemployment rate is probably closer to 14%, if you include all those people who are involuntarily underemployed because part-time jobs are the only ones they can find. (The most realistic unemployment figure is undoubtedly higher still, if you include all the previously "self-employed" people whose income has dried up along with the economy.)
Yet even sticking to that 7.6% figure, there are still 4.1 million more people out of work now than 12 months ago. Evidently, that doesn't faze this self-confident group either. Sixty-five percent of survey respondents reported that a friend had lost a job thanks to the cratering economy in the past six months. Twenty-five percent had a family member who had lost a job during this period. It seems that doesn't get to them either… but you get the idea.
An astonishing 32% of those surveyed by AP-GfK are somehow confident that they, at least, are secure in their jobs. (The missing 21% checked off "didn't apply" to the question, including presumably the 10% of those polled who reported already getting the ax during the past six months.) A recent New York Times/CBS News Poll came up with similar findings. In that poll, a marginally larger and so marginally more astonishing 35% of Americans reported themselves not in the least concerned that someone in their household might be out of work in the next 12 months.
Thinking about this optimistic third of Americans, it's hard not to reach one basic conclusion: They're nuts.
Surveying the Layoff Landscape
Polls like these attract respectful attention from the mainstream media. An Associated Press article about the AP-GfK poll, with the typical headline, "Fears over Economy Growing, Poll Says," found its way into newspapers across the country, including the Seattle Times, Sacramento Bee, Washington Times, and Star Tribune of Minneapolis/St. Paul. The article breezed through a batch of fairly predictable findings: lots of people are worried about paying their bills; they're afraid that the value of their stocks and retirement investments will drop; and more than half of poll respondents aren't confident that they will have enough money to live comfortably in retirement.
Yet, for anyone who actually considered the poll, or read between the lines of that widely-reprinted AP article, one question seems too pressing to ignore: How, in the present economic environment, could 32% of Americans fail to grasp that job security no longer exists -- not in the U.S., nor elsewhere in the global economy. Today's most salient question isn't, will you lose your job (if you still have one), but when?
No question, it's getting harder and harder to count on a paycheck. That's certainly true for all the people who have spent their work lives in industries now visibly disintegrating around them (which would include automobile manufacturing, journalism, book publishing, and the rest of the media, the retail sector, financial services, construction, and so on). It's hardly less true for countless people living in one of the 40 or so states with significant budget gaps that need to be plugged, states where cutbacks along the lines of California's recent budget cataclysm are just waiting to happen.
Today, few industries and careers can be considered "safe." After all, technology giants like National Semiconductor and Dell have already begun laying people off; so has that symbol-of-all-symbols Microsoft, which recently announced the first major layoff in the company's history. Tiny branches of local libraries are laying people off too, despite the fact that, in many communities, libraries have emerged as communal gathering spots for unemployed people of all ages and at all stages in their careers.
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Posted by: Jay Randal on Mar 5, 2009 12:14 AM
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Some Americans live in a bubble of unreality and refuse to believe the economy is sliding into another depression. They will continue to believe their jobs are secure until the very day they receive pink slips.
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» We have a national strike, shut the country down and take it back.
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» Remember Anne Frank
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» For some Americans, saying the economy is going down is tantamount to saying God is dead.
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» Exactly right - they're Federal emplyees
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» He, you stold my thought!
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» But still,
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Posted by: davy on Mar 5, 2009 1:21 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 5, 2009 4:28 AM
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Many people cling to the number 300 million Americans without ever considering the vast numbers within that number who are unable to participate in the work force.so they here 7.6% and they think 'of' 300 Million. Failing to recall how many of that total 300 are children, elderly, disabled, in military service, in prison.Not to mention the 'Unemployement' rate doesn't even reflect the underemployed and those who gave up or were never eligible for unemployement benefits- left jobs volutarily, self employed/single person "odd Jobers".
Funnier yet are those who still think MadeOff was a Fluke. Only Fools lost all their 'nesteggs' investing with this 'too good to be true scammer'.The FDIC insures Bank deposits- so that measly 10,000 you left in that low interst saving account is covered should the bank go belly Up. AIG insures Investment funds, Like That 100,000 from your annuity fund.Starting to think about the AIG bailout a bit differently?Starting to understand why so much money is being shoveled out to that Insurance Corp?They were the FDIC of Investment fund brokers and THEIR depositors.
The Repugs have them so worried about the next generation future, they haven't even bothered to put one & one together about their own.When McCain says 'Generational Theft' he's talking about what his generation just did to ALL the rest behind them.The Real 'boomer' generation was born in the years leading up to and through WW2, Really only about '38-'48, those now 70-80. Gained political and Economic power in the '80's-When 'Bubbles' began really forming and legislation was relaxed to make way for a 'Freer market'."Free Love" ideology gave way to "Free market"Orgies once they took power.
Boomer screwed the Greatest Generation by ignoring healthcare, calling Social security and medicare/medicaid 'Entitlements'. Worked their asses off to bust up the unions their parents & grandparents built.Screwed US all by demanding lower taxes- Not only creating deficits in the national budget, but also in customary & typical Gov't responsibilites (care for the 'at risk' groups, infrastructure)
The True 'Boomers', Took the money and ran, causing the current implosion the rest of US younger generation will be paying for, for generations to come.The 'Generational Theft' has already taken place!
So my fellow citizens in our 40's & 50's, your Retirment party will be held on the same day as your Funeral- a Two for one Deal...Surprise!
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:30 AM
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My ex is doing her best to help me land a Federal job (I'm re-employment eligible as a former Federal employee).
Basically as a sign of the times, there are former Arthur Anderson accountants who were making upper five figures, trying desperately for GS-5 accounting clerks jobs in DFAS.
Same in other places. My old co-worker in Army PR told me 'you wouldn't believe' the people who are applying for clerk jobs now.
The private sector warriors who would have spit on a Federal civil service job just 18 months ago are now on their knees begging to get in.
The world has turned upside down indeed.
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Mar 5, 2009 5:05 AM
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Take the case of the high-tech sector. The Obama admin has proposed $10 billion for developing internet/wireless infrastructure in rural America.
This money will end up in the hands of telecom service providers like Verizon and equipment makers like Cisco Systems, Ciena, Alcatel-Lucent and a number of other companies.
The telecom equipment makers are cutting jobs in America and adding jobs in their offshore facilities in India and China.
Some of these high-tech firms are closing down entire divisions here and then setting up the same division offshore.
If Obama had a clue, he would have tied the Federal spending with job growth in US.
This isn't the case. We have a double digit unemployment rate today and I wouldn't be surprise if the umemployment rate hits 25% or so before we hit the bottom.
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Posted by: hagwind on Mar 5, 2009 5:26 AM
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Those are pretty big (il)logical leaps there. As a freelancer who's living on a shoestring, I don't for a minute think that my income is "safe": my bigger clients could cut back so much that they stop sending work my way, and if they all stopped hiring me tomorrow I wouldn't be eligible for unemployment. But having been freelancing and/or working for very small businesses for most of my adult life, I've grown accustomed to uncertainty, and I'm frugal to the point of cheap. So I wouldn't tell a pollster I was "worried." Concerned, maybe, but not worried. Crazy? Maybe, but it's a pretty high-functioning crazy.
And while we're at it, don't knock denial. Without working denial mechanisms, we'd have a hard time getting through the day. If you get into a car, you could get maimed in an accident. If you step off the curb, you could get run over by a bus. Etc., etc. If your worry about the possibilities gets out of control, you never leave the house -- and maybe break your neck in a fall down the stairs. Don't you ever wonder how people in war-torn places manage to keep putting one foot in front of the other, even when they could get hit by shrapnel or blown up by a mine? Don't knock denial.
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» Denial has its benefits
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» I'm saying there are different types of denial.
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Posted by: pinget on Mar 5, 2009 5:36 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Mar 5, 2009 5:39 AM
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My wife and I are about to relocate from the deep south to the north. It took me about three months to find a suitable job; she has two interviews after about six weeks of looking.
Unless you happen to be a politician or a CEO, employability is tied to both skills and prior performance. Worry, on the other hand, is a state of mind. Perhaps the worriers and the wringers of hands out there are really worried more about how they'll make their Dumb Mortgage Note as the interest rates return to some degree of normal. Or perhaps they failed to set aside a six-month emergency fund, instead choosing to live well and enjoy their excesses and giant plasma screens.
They might be worried because they thought that *stuff* would make them happy. Surprise! You can't eat a 56" television...
Nuts? Maybe. Happy? Most definitely.
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Posted by: marcello09 on Mar 5, 2009 6:02 AM
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» There's a lot of faux optimism, that equates to denial, drummed into Americans by the media.
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» Nothing "faux" about it.
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» Not buying the lefty-righty thing.
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» Back when Bush was in power, it was progressives saying the Left/Right construct is an old paradigm,
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» I'd tend to disagree.
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Posted by: praedor on Mar 5, 2009 6:23 AM
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As for my primary job...ultimately, I could always sell my services to other countries interested in biotech/bioweapons if things get REALLY desperate :/
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» Yeah, it is only about YOUR selfish little world (sigh)
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Posted by: historystudent on Mar 5, 2009 6:31 AM
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Posted by: Pdimlay on Mar 5, 2009 7:04 AM
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Posted by: Parcival01 on Mar 5, 2009 7:07 AM
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It was a valuable point. Because I wonder how many of those 75 percent blamed laziness, lack of work ethic, or various other cliches on those who're unemployed. And how many of the "success" genre of "books" now available have been written by those who remained employed despite many others getting the boot.
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» True - there was much disgust for the unemployed in the 30s
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» Blaming the victims is a way to direct outrage away from the system.
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Posted by: marcello09 on Mar 5, 2009 7:17 AM
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I'm just very disappointed in what the left has become. Miserable, complaining, nihilistic, almost completely useless. Y'all have a bad habit of throwing a bucket of cold water on anyone who's trying to accomplish anything. A bunch of Marxists who don't even LIKE the working class. Ironic, eh?
I have a heckuva lot more confidence in the average American than liberals who worry about dissertations have a bad habit of using French-isms ("faux"?) in conversation.
Like I said in another post, Americans have weathered tough times before and we'll weather this storm as well. The left, on the other hand, will continue to predict the demise of America for centuries to come. Nothing lasts forever, so I suppose you'll get it right one of these days. But I ain't holding my breath!
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» Interesting
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Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 5, 2009 7:27 AM
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» Better watch out.
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» Absolutely agree.
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» Thank you! And not every business is suffering.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Mar 5, 2009 8:32 AM
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» Even many who remain employed will lose benefits like health care and retirement.
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 5, 2009 8:50 AM
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Mar 5, 2009 9:04 AM
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Fear is healthy and useful but you do have to move past it and work through it in order to function well.
I lost my job and am on unemployment right now. I am confident by the time unemployment runs out I will have my online store together such that I am able to make a living off of it.
Am I crazy or do I simply believe in myself?
Start talking about crazy when reporting on studies of the Milgram experiments, FGM, infant circumcision, and what those studies and practices say about humanity.
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» Maybe they're ringing the warming bells that things are about to get worse.
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» Alternet IS fear mongering
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» congrats on your liberation
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Posted by: Artkansas on Mar 5, 2009 9:10 AM
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Posted by: dayahka on Mar 5, 2009 10:12 AM
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While you asked some of the questions that one might want to ask people, it would be useful to know what sort of job people were doing first, then ask if they are worried about their jobs. If you are in banking or financial services or automobile manufacturing, you would be crazy to say you were not worried. But if you were in health care, federal government, or working for Walmart or some fast food outlet, then you might possibly say no, you aren't worried, concerned maybe.
Furthermore, yes 4.5 million are out of work, but at least 100 million are working. Panic would possibly be relevant were we losing a million jobs a week, but at this point, we might lose, say, another 6 million jobs this year and still have around a 100 million working.
So, it may be that the crazy people are those who think people are crazy if they aren't worried about their jobs. Too much doom and gloom makes one a dull person. And if I were to worry about crazy people, I'd be much more worried about the 27 percent who still think Republicans or conservatives are OK, or the 15 million certifiable nut cases who follow Rush Limbaugh religiously.
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Posted by: Bizatch! on Mar 5, 2009 10:52 AM
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There is a must-hear interview with Michael Hudson which you can find on 'Guns and Butter' (KPFA) radio hour this week which spells it all out. Hudson came up with a beautiful metaphor to explain the 'denial and error' in our midst: much like a leech or other shadowy predators, a venom is released into the victim which doesn't destroy them, but rather anesthetizes them so that the extraction of blood is unnoticed. So too are the predatory bankers and goons of the finance sector acting upon the populace.
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Posted by: Blue Heron on Mar 5, 2009 11:09 AM
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Well here's some reality, folks. I was laid off from Apple 5 months ago, and not even as a full time employee, but a Permatemp. Never heard of that term? Then I'd really suggest you do your homework. I had worked for Crapple for almost 3 years, full time with no benefits, and I did hold a high profile position. They laid me off on a SUNDAY, then sent back my office equipment, most of which I had to purchase, by FedEx and all broken.
Because Apple misclassified me as 'self-employed,' I did not qualify for unemployment benefits. Remember, I worked on site, full time and was managed and told what hours to come in. What we are dealing with here is a total denial and erosion of workers' rights that has been building up for the past two decades and now has reached crisis point. If we all stay in denial, we will be denied everything, and the CEOs will still be laughing all the way to the bank. Hilarious, isn't it? Still feel like bowing down to the Man?
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» Corporate capitalism is all most Americans have ever known and many can't imagine anything else
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» Do you support Unions?
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» Unions? In Silicon Valley? Yeah, and Satan is setting up Popsicle stands in Hell.
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» Half the people will bow down, lick the Man's asscrack, and compliment his flavor.
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» Up yours, Apple!
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Posted by: wireup on Mar 5, 2009 2:15 PM
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Working at home, preferably on my own schedule, is what I want. I don't want to be an alarm-clock-slave again. So, I started doing my own research and came up with a job in the health-care field that I think will work:
I enrolled in a distance-learning program a few weeks ago and am busily working away, learning the lingo. It's interesting. And, so far at least, most of the work is NOT being out-sourced.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed because, otherwise, I have no idea what to do!
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Mar 5, 2009 2:50 PM
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It's only when most have given up hope that the bottom will be in place. As Nathan Rothchild once said, the time to invest is when there's blood in the streets EVEN IF THE BLOOD IS YOURS!
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Posted by: doodahman on Mar 5, 2009 3:05 PM
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So, what that 1/3 of "crazy" people are simply assuming is that they are in the top sixty percent of the workforce in terms of work habits, skills, moxy, charisma, luck, connections, and plain willingness to go out there and carve out a living even while the bottom forty percent are forced to eat their children and burn their parents for heat.
Is that crazy? I don't know what planet the author works on, but from what I've seen in this planet, forty percent of the folks are barely employable. They can't read, use the language, learn new skills, follow rules, get their asses out of bed when necessary, or have the brains God gave a gnat. Even in the best of times, 1/3 of the people aren't worth a shit, and here, after decades of destroying public education, unions, and the value of work, I'd say at least half the people aren't worth a shit. They only had jobs before the collapse because somebody had to fill those spots while the bubble was still unburst. So, now the bubble burst, and the cream rises to the top while the flotsam floats away.
For me, I don't know if my company might go under. It probably won't, but even if it does, I will make money. I will dig ditches, I will cut lawns, shit, I will rob banks. I can do all of that. So while I might have to take a huge hit in income, job environment, status and so forth, there is no fucking way in hell I'm going to fall into the bottom 40% of the workforce.
Look, times will be tough for all but the banksters and top 1-5% of wealth controllers. No doubt. But being permanently unemployed? Not hardly. If worse comes to worse, I'll take your job.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 5, 2009 3:09 PM
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32% sounds a bit low. If I recall correctly, about 90% supported GWB right after 9/11, and about 70% supported the Iraq war when it started. And about 40% still think Saddam Hussein has WMD hidden in his basement, even though he's dead...or something like that.
What does optimism have to do with being nuts? Does Jill Andresky Fraser have some sort of multitasking crystal ball set up so she sees each individual American's future? Who the hell is she?
I came home a bit gloomier than usual today, but that doesn't make me less nuts than I was at the same time yesterday. Ironically, reading some of the comments on this article kind of cheered me up, so by the article's own apparent standard, it seems to have failed to make me more sane by making me more miserable.
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Posted by: archivist on Mar 5, 2009 8:37 PM
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There is a great swath of people who don't know anything about anything, hell they don't even watch main stream news let alone read blogs or AP stories for that matter.
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Wait, I own multiple cats? Shit, I AM crazy...
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 6, 2009 1:40 PM
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and the number of whackos who feel their jobs are secure... same number as the 32% who deny global warming exists...
Wait, we are talking about Merkaaners right? Silly! Everyone knows that whole shittastic country is batshit stoopid!
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They are in fact, extremely dependent on governments, employers, and many other institutions. They feel trapped -- hence the denial, because no one wants to feel trapped.
A recent survey shows that the only time Americans find any enjoyment is on weekends and holidays.
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Some Americans live in a bubble of unreality and refuse to believe the economy is sliding into another depression. They will continue to believe their jobs are secure until the very day they receive pink slips.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 5, 2009 4:28 AM
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Many people cling to the number 300 million Americans without ever considering the vast numbers within that number who are unable to participate in the work force.so they here 7.6% and they think 'of' 300 Million. Failing to recall how many of that total 300 are children, elderly, disabled, in military service, in prison.Not to mention the 'Unemployement' rate doesn't even reflect the underemployed and those who gave up or were never eligible for unemployement benefits- left jobs volutarily, self employed/single person "odd Jobers".
Funnier yet are those who still think MadeOff was a Fluke. Only Fools lost all their 'nesteggs' investing with this 'too good to be true scammer'.The FDIC insures Bank deposits- so that measly 10,000 you left in that low interst saving account is covered should the bank go belly Up. AIG insures Investment funds, Like That 100,000 from your annuity fund.Starting to think about the AIG bailout a bit differently?Starting to understand why so much money is being shoveled out to that Insurance Corp?They were the FDIC of Investment fund brokers and THEIR depositors.
The Repugs have them so worried about the next generation future, they haven't even bothered to put one & one together about their own.When McCain says 'Generational Theft' he's talking about what his generation just did to ALL the rest behind them.The Real 'boomer' generation was born in the years leading up to and through WW2, Really only about '38-'48, those now 70-80. Gained political and Economic power in the '80's-When 'Bubbles' began really forming and legislation was relaxed to make way for a 'Freer market'."Free Love" ideology gave way to "Free market"Orgies once they took power.
Boomer screwed the Greatest Generation by ignoring healthcare, calling Social security and medicare/medicaid 'Entitlements'. Worked their asses off to bust up the unions their parents & grandparents built.Screwed US all by demanding lower taxes- Not only creating deficits in the national budget, but also in customary & typical Gov't responsibilites (care for the 'at risk' groups, infrastructure)
The True 'Boomers', Took the money and ran, causing the current implosion the rest of US younger generation will be paying for, for generations to come.The 'Generational Theft' has already taken place!
So my fellow citizens in our 40's & 50's, your Retirment party will be held on the same day as your Funeral- a Two for one Deal...Surprise!
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Posted by: kegbot1 on Mar 5, 2009 4:30 AM
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My ex is doing her best to help me land a Federal job (I'm re-employment eligible as a former Federal employee).
Basically as a sign of the times, there are former Arthur Anderson accountants who were making upper five figures, trying desperately for GS-5 accounting clerks jobs in DFAS.
Same in other places. My old co-worker in Army PR told me 'you wouldn't believe' the people who are applying for clerk jobs now.
The private sector warriors who would have spit on a Federal civil service job just 18 months ago are now on their knees begging to get in.
The world has turned upside down indeed.
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Mar 5, 2009 5:05 AM
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Take the case of the high-tech sector. The Obama admin has proposed $10 billion for developing internet/wireless infrastructure in rural America.
This money will end up in the hands of telecom service providers like Verizon and equipment makers like Cisco Systems, Ciena, Alcatel-Lucent and a number of other companies.
The telecom equipment makers are cutting jobs in America and adding jobs in their offshore facilities in India and China.
Some of these high-tech firms are closing down entire divisions here and then setting up the same division offshore.
If Obama had a clue, he would have tied the Federal spending with job growth in US.
This isn't the case. We have a double digit unemployment rate today and I wouldn't be surprise if the umemployment rate hits 25% or so before we hit the bottom.
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Those are pretty big (il)logical leaps there. As a freelancer who's living on a shoestring, I don't for a minute think that my income is "safe": my bigger clients could cut back so much that they stop sending work my way, and if they all stopped hiring me tomorrow I wouldn't be eligible for unemployment. But having been freelancing and/or working for very small businesses for most of my adult life, I've grown accustomed to uncertainty, and I'm frugal to the point of cheap. So I wouldn't tell a pollster I was "worried." Concerned, maybe, but not worried. Crazy? Maybe, but it's a pretty high-functioning crazy.
And while we're at it, don't knock denial. Without working denial mechanisms, we'd have a hard time getting through the day. If you get into a car, you could get maimed in an accident. If you step off the curb, you could get run over by a bus. Etc., etc. If your worry about the possibilities gets out of control, you never leave the house -- and maybe break your neck in a fall down the stairs. Don't you ever wonder how people in war-torn places manage to keep putting one foot in front of the other, even when they could get hit by shrapnel or blown up by a mine? Don't knock denial.
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My wife and I are about to relocate from the deep south to the north. It took me about three months to find a suitable job; she has two interviews after about six weeks of looking.
Unless you happen to be a politician or a CEO, employability is tied to both skills and prior performance. Worry, on the other hand, is a state of mind. Perhaps the worriers and the wringers of hands out there are really worried more about how they'll make their Dumb Mortgage Note as the interest rates return to some degree of normal. Or perhaps they failed to set aside a six-month emergency fund, instead choosing to live well and enjoy their excesses and giant plasma screens.
They might be worried because they thought that *stuff* would make them happy. Surprise! You can't eat a 56" television...
Nuts? Maybe. Happy? Most definitely.
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As for my primary job...ultimately, I could always sell my services to other countries interested in biotech/bioweapons if things get REALLY desperate :/
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Posted by: Parcival01 on Mar 5, 2009 7:07 AM
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It was a valuable point. Because I wonder how many of those 75 percent blamed laziness, lack of work ethic, or various other cliches on those who're unemployed. And how many of the "success" genre of "books" now available have been written by those who remained employed despite many others getting the boot.
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I'm just very disappointed in what the left has become. Miserable, complaining, nihilistic, almost completely useless. Y'all have a bad habit of throwing a bucket of cold water on anyone who's trying to accomplish anything. A bunch of Marxists who don't even LIKE the working class. Ironic, eh?
I have a heckuva lot more confidence in the average American than liberals who worry about dissertations have a bad habit of using French-isms ("faux"?) in conversation.
Like I said in another post, Americans have weathered tough times before and we'll weather this storm as well. The left, on the other hand, will continue to predict the demise of America for centuries to come. Nothing lasts forever, so I suppose you'll get it right one of these days. But I ain't holding my breath!
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Fear is healthy and useful but you do have to move past it and work through it in order to function well.
I lost my job and am on unemployment right now. I am confident by the time unemployment runs out I will have my online store together such that I am able to make a living off of it.
Am I crazy or do I simply believe in myself?
Start talking about crazy when reporting on studies of the Milgram experiments, FGM, infant circumcision, and what those studies and practices say about humanity.
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While you asked some of the questions that one might want to ask people, it would be useful to know what sort of job people were doing first, then ask if they are worried about their jobs. If you are in banking or financial services or automobile manufacturing, you would be crazy to say you were not worried. But if you were in health care, federal government, or working for Walmart or some fast food outlet, then you might possibly say no, you aren't worried, concerned maybe.
Furthermore, yes 4.5 million are out of work, but at least 100 million are working. Panic would possibly be relevant were we losing a million jobs a week, but at this point, we might lose, say, another 6 million jobs this year and still have around a 100 million working.
So, it may be that the crazy people are those who think people are crazy if they aren't worried about their jobs. Too much doom and gloom makes one a dull person. And if I were to worry about crazy people, I'd be much more worried about the 27 percent who still think Republicans or conservatives are OK, or the 15 million certifiable nut cases who follow Rush Limbaugh religiously.
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Posted by: Bizatch! on Mar 5, 2009 10:52 AM
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There is a must-hear interview with Michael Hudson which you can find on 'Guns and Butter' (KPFA) radio hour this week which spells it all out. Hudson came up with a beautiful metaphor to explain the 'denial and error' in our midst: much like a leech or other shadowy predators, a venom is released into the victim which doesn't destroy them, but rather anesthetizes them so that the extraction of blood is unnoticed. So too are the predatory bankers and goons of the finance sector acting upon the populace.
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Posted by: Blue Heron on Mar 5, 2009 11:09 AM
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Well here's some reality, folks. I was laid off from Apple 5 months ago, and not even as a full time employee, but a Permatemp. Never heard of that term? Then I'd really suggest you do your homework. I had worked for Crapple for almost 3 years, full time with no benefits, and I did hold a high profile position. They laid me off on a SUNDAY, then sent back my office equipment, most of which I had to purchase, by FedEx and all broken.
Because Apple misclassified me as 'self-employed,' I did not qualify for unemployment benefits. Remember, I worked on site, full time and was managed and told what hours to come in. What we are dealing with here is a total denial and erosion of workers' rights that has been building up for the past two decades and now has reached crisis point. If we all stay in denial, we will be denied everything, and the CEOs will still be laughing all the way to the bank. Hilarious, isn't it? Still feel like bowing down to the Man?
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Posted by: wireup on Mar 5, 2009 2:15 PM
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Working at home, preferably on my own schedule, is what I want. I don't want to be an alarm-clock-slave again. So, I started doing my own research and came up with a job in the health-care field that I think will work:
I enrolled in a distance-learning program a few weeks ago and am busily working away, learning the lingo. It's interesting. And, so far at least, most of the work is NOT being out-sourced.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed because, otherwise, I have no idea what to do!
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It's only when most have given up hope that the bottom will be in place. As Nathan Rothchild once said, the time to invest is when there's blood in the streets EVEN IF THE BLOOD IS YOURS!
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Posted by: doodahman on Mar 5, 2009 3:05 PM
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So, what that 1/3 of "crazy" people are simply assuming is that they are in the top sixty percent of the workforce in terms of work habits, skills, moxy, charisma, luck, connections, and plain willingness to go out there and carve out a living even while the bottom forty percent are forced to eat their children and burn their parents for heat.
Is that crazy? I don't know what planet the author works on, but from what I've seen in this planet, forty percent of the folks are barely employable. They can't read, use the language, learn new skills, follow rules, get their asses out of bed when necessary, or have the brains God gave a gnat. Even in the best of times, 1/3 of the people aren't worth a shit, and here, after decades of destroying public education, unions, and the value of work, I'd say at least half the people aren't worth a shit. They only had jobs before the collapse because somebody had to fill those spots while the bubble was still unburst. So, now the bubble burst, and the cream rises to the top while the flotsam floats away.
For me, I don't know if my company might go under. It probably won't, but even if it does, I will make money. I will dig ditches, I will cut lawns, shit, I will rob banks. I can do all of that. So while I might have to take a huge hit in income, job environment, status and so forth, there is no fucking way in hell I'm going to fall into the bottom 40% of the workforce.
Look, times will be tough for all but the banksters and top 1-5% of wealth controllers. No doubt. But being permanently unemployed? Not hardly. If worse comes to worse, I'll take your job.
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» I agree with a lot of what you said...
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Mar 5, 2009 3:09 PM
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32% sounds a bit low. If I recall correctly, about 90% supported GWB right after 9/11, and about 70% supported the Iraq war when it started. And about 40% still think Saddam Hussein has WMD hidden in his basement, even though he's dead...or something like that.
What does optimism have to do with being nuts? Does Jill Andresky Fraser have some sort of multitasking crystal ball set up so she sees each individual American's future? Who the hell is she?
I came home a bit gloomier than usual today, but that doesn't make me less nuts than I was at the same time yesterday. Ironically, reading some of the comments on this article kind of cheered me up, so by the article's own apparent standard, it seems to have failed to make me more sane by making me more miserable.
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Posted by: thweems on Mar 5, 2009 3:40 PM
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» Start freaking out! Otherwise you're crazy.
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Posted by: hilly7 on Mar 5, 2009 7:18 PM
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Posted by: Dickinseattl on Mar 5, 2009 7:40 PM
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» RE: 1/3 huh?
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Posted by: archivist on Mar 5, 2009 8:37 PM
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There is a great swath of people who don't know anything about anything, hell they don't even watch main stream news let alone read blogs or AP stories for that matter.
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Posted by: WizardofOhm on Mar 6, 2009 12:24 AM
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Wait, I own multiple cats? Shit, I AM crazy...
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Posted by: ugotstahwonder on Mar 6, 2009 11:55 AM
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» RE: 2012-type thinking
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Posted by: DaBear on Mar 6, 2009 1:40 PM
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and the number of whackos who feel their jobs are secure... same number as the 32% who deny global warming exists...
Wait, we are talking about Merkaaners right? Silly! Everyone knows that whole shittastic country is batshit stoopid!
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Posted by: RickW on Mar 7, 2009 8:16 AM
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They are in fact, extremely dependent on governments, employers, and many other institutions. They feel trapped -- hence the denial, because no one wants to feel trapped.
A recent survey shows that the only time Americans find any enjoyment is on weekends and holidays.
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