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Obama and Liberals: A Counter-Productive Relationship
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Published on Friday, February 13, 2009 by Salon.com
The New Republic's John Judis today has an excellent analysis of the politics behind the stimulus package -- one which applies equally to most other political controversies. Judis argues that the stimulus package ended up being far inferior to what it could have been and points to this reason why that happened:
But I think the main reason that Obama is having trouble is that there is not a popular left movement that is agitating for him to go well beyond where he would even ideally like to go. Sure, there are leftwing intellectuals like Paul Krugman who are beating the drums for nationalizing the banks and for a $1 trillion-plus stimulus. But I am not referring to intellectuals, but to movements that stir up trouble among voters and get people really angry. Instead, what exists of a popular left is either incapable of action or in Obama's pocket. . . .
A member of one liberal group, Campaign for America's Future, pronounced the stimulus bill "a darn good first step." MoveOn -- as far as I can tell -- has attacked conservative Republicans for opposing the bill, while lamely urging Democrats to back it. Of course, all these groups may have thought the stimulus bill and the bailout were ideal, but I doubt it. I bet they had the same criticisms of these measures that Krugman or The American Prospect's Ezra Klein or my own colleagues had, but they made the mistake that political groups often make: subordinating their concern about issues to their support for the party and its leading politician.
By extremely stark contrast, Paul Krugman today explains why Republicans are so unified in their opposition to this bill and their willingness to uphold the principles of their supporters:
One might have expected Republicans to act at least slightly chastened in these early days of the Obama administration, given both their drubbing in the last two elections and the economic debacle of the past eight years. But it's now clear that the party's commitment to deep voodoo - enforced, in part, by pressure groups that stand ready to run primary challengers against heretics - is as strong as ever.
[Though I agree with Krugman's principal point here, I dislike his use of the word "heretics" here. It invokes one of the worst myths in our political discourse: the idea that there's something wrong, intolerant or "Stalinist" about pressuring or even campaigning against incumbents "from one's own party" who advocate positions that you think are bad and wrong. That activity happens to be the essence of democracy, and we need more, not less, of it. If anything is Stalinist, it's the sky-high incumbent re-election rates and the sense of entitlement in our political class that incumbents should not ever face primary challenges even if they support policies which the base of the party reviles. Why shouldn't GOP voters who love tax cuts and hate government domestic spending, regardless of whether they're right or wrong, demand that their elected representatives support those views (in exactly the same way that Democratic incumbents who supported the Iraq war and/or Bush's lawless surveillance state should have been targeted for defeat)?]
But Krugman's larger point is correct: Republican groups demand from politicians support for their beliefs. By contrast, as Judis describes, Democratic groups -- including (perhaps especially) liberal activist groups -- now (with some exceptions) lend their allegiance to the party and its leader regardless of how faithful the party leadership is to their beliefs. That disparity means that there is often great popular agitation and political pressure exerted from the Right, but almost none from the Left (I'm using the terms "Left" and "Right" here in their conventional sense: "Right" being the core of the GOP and "Left" being those who most consistently and vigorously opposed Bush's foreign and domestic policies).
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 13, 2009 11:29 AM
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Initially when bailouts first started being talked about there was massive public opposition. Barely any of the public actually supported bailouts.
The first bank bill failed to pass and people saw their 401K take a dive and gave in to their FEAR.
They have been giving in ever since. FEAR combined with PARTY LOYALTY has continued to get citizens to support more bailouts and now this stimulus bill.
This is an $800+ billion stimulus bill in addition to the normal spending congress will engage in.
If we are going to fork out this much money it should be on Apollo projects with defined goals and timetables.
An Apollo Project to get the whole country wired with fiber optic to the home internet connections in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to get the entire FCC governed spectrum turned into wifi internet in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to improve the electrical grid with 25% less electricity lost to resistance in the power lines in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to deliver us affordable Zero Energy Homes in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to build desalinization plants to deliver more potable drinking water, because so many of our water tables and aquifers are drying up, in 10 years.
This stimulus bill has a goal, the goal is to inspire hope, hope that our economy will start to turn around which they hope will get citizens to start consuming more again since consumer consumption accounts for 2/3 of GDP.
What kind of goal is that? Yes we need to turn the economy around but if we are going to spend $800+ billion we should have specific tangible goals in mind with specific deadlines that long term will greatly benefit our country and continue to keep us the most advanced, powerful country in the world.
This bill sounds like a toilet flushing with countless dollars going down the drain.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Feb 13, 2009 11:58 AM
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You backed him, remember? You're a Democrat, aren't you?
NOW you tell us we shouldn't be locked in to the Democrats.
In fact, there's a long history now of progressive mass movements: peace, fair trade, peace again, labor....
Each, in turn, gets sucked into a Democratic presidential campaign and defused. Do you really think that's accidental? Who do you think is paying the bill for that service?
The Icelanders get it; they're going Green. Why don't we get it?
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» Because you've offered nothing but words.
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» RE: Few people vote based on specific policies
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» Barry LIED about "hope and change" but you're happy with him being a Republican, aren't you?
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» Whatever
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» Yeah, keep telling yourself that, LOL !!
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» 30% is a solid F
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» RE: 30% is a solid F; .52% is almost a zero
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» The DemoRATS and Rethugs RIGGED the election and stifled 3rd parties. That's WHY !
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» You're not "debating", Beck, you're creating straw men and then attacking your creation.
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» RE: Beck's getting tired.
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» RE: Beck's getting tired.
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» Typo
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» RE: You're not "debating", Beck, You want NUMBERS someone in junior high can understand?
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» One more time, idiot.
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» RE: Because you've offered nothing but words.
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» RE: Because you've offered nothing but words.
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» RE: Because you've offered nothing but words.
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» RE: Because you've offered nothing but words.
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» RE: Moyers tonight.
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» Because, despite your attempt to compare the US to...
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» You write like the "political system" is the way it is by nature.
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» It's hard wired into the Constitution
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» Building the Green movement
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» Taking the Good with the Bad
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» Fusion is extremely shady in practice
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Posted by: MobileSucks on Feb 13, 2009 12:06 PM
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Honestly, I've been amazed and disappointed by how much people respond to style over substance. I can understand uneducated blacks turning Obama into an icon and messiah figure but college educated progressives?
Obama is politician not a leader like say Martin Luther King and of course even King was nothing without the movement.
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» Where can we be most effective?
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» LOL ! And you and your kids were Obamabots ! LOL !! LOL !!
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» RE: LOL ! And you and your kids were Obamabots ! LOL !! LOL !!
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» We do NOT "have to play with the team that is now on the field".
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» RE: We do NOT "have to play with the team that is now on the field".
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 13, 2009 1:02 PM
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» RE: Barry's too busy shooting down the base while playing kissyface with the neocons !
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» 1. His name's Barry. 2. Protest.
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» 1. we mostly refrain from calling Nader "ralphie". 2. we mostly refrain from many things.
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» I don't care if you call him Ralphie. That's FINE with me. The point is
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» RE: I don't care if you call him Ralphie. That's FINE with me. The point is
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Posted by: EinMD on Feb 13, 2009 1:11 PM
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I don't really care if it's Obama or some future President who makes these things happen.
But the one thing that irks me is that Obama's a politician, not a fucking king and I am a citizen, not a supplicant. He is not my leader in the sense that the King of England. Our founders didn't want kings and crowns and 'land and titles' clogging up our nation. That's why we HAVE a President in the first place.
Obama is my President which means he is a representative of the people in this nation. He is not somehow 'above' me or somehow innately deserving of anything. He's just a regular citizen just like the rest of us that has been chosen to take on enormous responsibility because somebody had to do it (and I am VERY glad that it wasn't John McSame). Enormous responsibility doesn't make him better or worse. It doesn't make someone noble or virtuous. It doesn't give them super powers of foresight or clarity.
He's a glorified crossing guard - nothing more, nothing less. He will get precisely the amount of respect from me that he EARNS through his actions. Just like George W. Bush did.
So the guy who came up with the 'beholden' idea can bite my hairy white backside. If anything, the government is beholden to the people, not the other way around. That's something the Republicans forgot over the last eight years and they paid the price.
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» RE: beholden?
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» LOL !! Yeah, he's selling you out just like Dubya did ! LOL !! LOL !!
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» Personality Cults...
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» "glorified crossing guard"
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Feb 13, 2009 1:53 PM
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» RE: There is not a popular left movement agitating for him to go well beyond where he would even go...
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» Remember, even small things make a difference if enough of us do them.
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» Blue dogs? You mean the Dems who managed to get elected in conservative districts, and are, gasp,
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» So how do you like your MISreps in MI selling this country off? You're a rightwing FASCIST !
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Posted by: KQuark on Feb 13, 2009 2:36 PM
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Democrats on the other hand are far from giving President Obama monolithic support. You are simply ignoring all the daily complaining on the left to make an invalid point. The ideologues on the right like George Will and even William F. Buckley kept their mouth's shut for years even though Bush was not forwarding their ideals of conservatism while ideologues on the left like Krugman are never muted in any way. Progressives are far less resistant to give up on their principles when Democrats are in power. Just because Democrats are less ideological when they are out of power shows part of progressive ideology is pragmatism.
The Democrats are the party of ideas where dissident voices are not restricted internally or externally. But the Republicans are the party of orthodoxy. When Republican leaders are in power it is a virtual dictatorship.
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» According to Obamabot "Beck", pragmatism = pandering to rightwing fascists.
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» First of all, the polls are rigged. Second, you supporting depriving voters of choices and forcing
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Posted by: sin spectacles on Feb 13, 2009 3:18 PM
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But anyway, the problem with your article is there are networks and organizations in the US that are articulating these things, but unfortunately both the organizations and the "left" media are failing in getting it out there. The organizations because they dont have the resources to do it (as opposed to "democrat"-leaning left organizations like Move-On or CAP) nor the capacity (currently) to involve larger numbers of people, and the "left" media because they complain about a lack of response but the people they talk to are never going to actually be bold and articulate that response with people on the ground by the mere nature of the organizations you are speaking to. (for example CAP, who does AMAZING work, but is not in the habit of doing base-building, mobilizing, and direct strategic action on a target)
So good article, but it seems like youre critique should also include the job you're doing as a writer to get different stories out there.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 13, 2009 4:51 PM
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Otherwise we will be in Clinton II, Blue Dog, DLC, corporate cronyism horse shit up to our eyeballs.
disclaimer : I voted third party ~ Nader
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» Blue dogs represent their constituents in conservative districts. Tell me why they should not, again
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» No they do not. Conservative districts are also sick and tired of SELLOUTS of both parties. It's you
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Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 13, 2009 4:52 PM
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Tom Harkin’s statement sounds like a fortune cookie: “Do better and good fortune will come your way.” At this point Obama needs no defense, because those who are criticizing him have no standing. Both the GOP establishment and the toxic left are so far behind what is underway in our nation’s capitol, they are reduced to peanut gallery (make that, salmonella peanut gallery).
So do round up the troops Mr. Greenwald; yes, we need to be organized. So long as the rally call is “Poor us is kept out of the loop,” however, I do not expect that to ring in anyone’s ears.
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» Typical right-wing Democrat
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Feb 13, 2009 5:35 PM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» RE: Ahhh! The Truth!
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» Actually
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Posted by: Frank J. Burris on Feb 13, 2009 6:55 PM
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» Obamabot trying to defend dishonest sellouts.
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» When the internet tells you that 18.9 million independents voted for Obama, you don't need
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» The internet can be filled with fickle sights and fickle idiots such as yourself.
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» And that suffering will be the end of America
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Posted by: lastmarx1 on Feb 14, 2009 1:28 AM
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Posted by: BST on Feb 14, 2009 2:42 AM
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I watched friends fall away during the primary as I questioned (always with respect) their unflinching, un-examined adulation of this man whose prime asset is oratory.
He is as much an operator as any other politician to come down the pike.
This does not mean he is not bright nor interesting nor honest. But he is as sly and controlling and as arrogant about his own stature as any other pol we've encountered.
It's just unfortunate that his unquestioning fans are only now starting to catch on that maybe he's got some things up his sleeve.
Understand this: I have never blamed Obama for going for the glory -- that's his right; I am simply appalled at those supporters who waded in with such starry-eyed subservience to a mythology.
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» RE: A myth in the un-making; here's something interesting. 18.9 million independent votes for Barry
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» Obamabot trying to defend dishonest sellouts.
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» Beck the Obamabot once again supports rightwing fascism and depriving voters of real choices.
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» Thank you BST ! Btw, I never fell for the Demo's silly tricks.
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» I voted for Obama but it was'nt because of . . .
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» I understand the plight so I'll forgive you.
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» No blind party loyalty here . . .
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» I didn't say you had blind party loyalty unlike "Joe the Plumber" and "Beck the Obamabot"
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Posted by: seazen on Feb 14, 2009 5:53 AM
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Obama has been President for less than a month. He faces an unprecedented set of challenges in a time when people are hurting and their emotions are raw. To get anything done, he has to work within the almost dysfunctional reality of Congress, a mindless media, and a national dialogue dominated by the mundane and the loud.
He calls for all of us to help, to get real about the conditions in our communities and our country, but we still seem more enthusiastic about declaring that the results of the first 30 days aren't perfect.
If we want to mobilize, if we have some great ideas, let's apply them locally in our neighborhoods and cities. Let's become really accountable - not just rattle on in the spheres of political bantering.
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Posted by: Beck on Feb 14, 2009 6:33 AM
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??????????????
This is the kind of scapegoating hogwash that seems rooted in bitterness and even hostility towards the winners. I guess it's what happens to the winners. Democrats haven't experienced that enough lately to remember.
It's also a complete invention. And speaks volumes about the way the other side(s) feel/felt about their candidates. The surprise at enthusiasm after 8 years of Bush? After watching the very uninspiring Gore and rather inept Kerry run against him? The surprise at enthusiasm over seeing a candidate connected to the very well-liked Palin lose? The surprise at seeing enthusiasm over an African-American winning for the first time? have you all lost any human sense of empathy, or have you just had your blood removed?
Invention. Or maybe the many, many fellow Bots I hung out with fighting to get Obama, whoops, Barry Hussein (go to Limbaugh's site and search that name. You all have no creativity whatsoever. "Barry" sounds too American. Geez, there was an actor on The Brady Bunch named Barry! And didn't "Barrack Hussein Odumbo" ever occur to any of YOU?) elected and McCain NOT elected weren't typical? All we wanted was someone better and viable and we always talked about holding him accountable if he won. That there were no guarantees.
Keep making us up, though. It's the only thing, apparently, that keeps your attention from the fact that you not only did not win, none of you candidates got even a million votes. (THAT is not a sign that you know better, by the way. It's definitely a sign of no organization, no positive outreach, and what looks like a massive sense of bullying entitlement.) And it'll divert you from the obvious lack of any better plan. Are you working your only plan right now? Well, stay the course.
Okay, my fellow 69 million Bots are calling. We gotta go worship Barry Hussein. If any of you manage to reign in your overworked negativity and win you can teach us how to go to rallies and inauguration speeches and stand with eyes down, maybe a slight smirk on face? But we get it: enthusiasm reinforces to the real intellects out there what idiots we are.
And maybe teach us right now what the role of an American interested in politics is if your candidate just lost? What do you do for four years now? Indulge in bitterness, nonstop, or remember we're Americans first, ideologues and party members second or third or fourth?
Time for Bot Church. I'm serving communion. Offerings may be sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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» Not all 69 million who voted for Obama are Obamabots, bloody fool !
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» RE: Not all 69 million who voted for Obama are Obamabots, bloody fool !
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» RE: ??????
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Posted by: gnsarg on Feb 14, 2009 7:34 AM
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No expectations and illusions of granduer here.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 14, 2009 5:44 PM
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» RE: The only way liberals will really win is to actually punish the Dems and open up to 3rd parties.
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» RE: The only way liberals will really win is to actually punish the Dems and open up to 3rd parties.
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» As a left-wing values voter I still voted Nader
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» RE: As a left-wing values voter I still voted Nader
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» So tell your DemoRAT party to quit forcing independent candidates off the ballot and let them debate
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» Jennifer gets to the heart of it
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» Thanks aahpat for understanding the bleak reality that must be confronted.
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» RE: Thanks, Beck,
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» What a Dumbocrat you are Beck
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Feb 15, 2009 3:12 AM
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If you think progressives are cool, just get them talking about the Clintons sometime. Make sure there are no chldren around when you do this.
Recall how Clinton-hatred was all the rage during the Democratic primary. It was a gross misogyny-fest, with "progressive" websites dusting off hoary old lies about the Clintons from the right-wing smear machine.
In the comments to this article, we already see some Clinton-bashing coming from progressives. They apparently believe every lie the right-controlled media ever said about the Clintons--and are damned proud of it.
And of course, none of them knows jacksh*t about the excellent Clinton record.
So how far can the left be expected to get, when progressives still repeat smears against their own people? Acceptable responses: zilch, zip, nada, doodley-squat.
8 Years without a Leader
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» What about welfare reform, NAFTA, the 1996 telecommunication act?
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» Clinton was a right-wing pandering A-HOLE!
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Posted by: aahpat on Feb 15, 2009 6:52 AM
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But the only time that drug policy reform has succeeded is when it has broken with the Democrats. Starting with the 1996 proposition 215 in California. Since then advances in drug policy have almost all been in spite of the Democrats rather than in collusion with them. And in more recent years it is the Democrats who have reluctantly come to reform positions.
Look at Obama and the medical pot raids in California after the inauguration. Obama had promised, during the campaign, to end the raids. Two days after the inauguration the DEA raided California facilities. Obama said NOTHING. A week later more raids. The upheaval in the liberal community about the first raids escalated to an earthquake of angst about Obama not stopping the raids. The White House finally made a milk toast assertion about eventually ending the raids, when they finally put their own people in place. And it did this only as a reaction to the anger from liberal voters about the continuing raids. Had Obama not seen the anger he would have said nothing.
You get nothing from the right-wing Democrats by supporting them blindly. They see you as a sycophant who will do what they are told.
I left the Democrats in 1996 and have learned that they now care about my opinion. At election time they call me for polling on a regular basis. When I register Democrat, to support some particular candidate, the calls stop until I change back to Independent. (Of course the polling is always push polling that has nothing to do with the issues that I consider to be important.) But I do think that the squeaky wheel model of political activist works better than the sycophant model does.
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Posted by: aahpat on Feb 15, 2009 10:22 AM
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Democracy in America is a facade for authoritarianism.
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Posted by: jbpazz on Feb 15, 2009 3:31 PM
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Now, they want Obama to loot the Social Security System for even more massive pay-offs.
When Nehemiah faced a similar problem with predatory lenders, he closed them down and restored the properties to the original owners.
What part of "simple justice" remains a mystery to liberals?
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Posted by: bemf on Feb 17, 2009 11:05 AM
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http://tinyurl.com/alafd7
I'd recommend that folks who liked Greenwald's article check it out.
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Posted by: reelman on Feb 18, 2009 11:20 AM
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In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, (liberal democrat) Attorney General Eric Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.
(liberal democrat) Attorney General Eric Holder described the United States Wednesday as a nation of cowards on matters of race, saying most Americans avoid discussing unresolved racial issues.
In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.
“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards,” said Holder, nation’s first black (liberal democrat) attorney general. AP 2.18.09
CRAWFISH NOTE: Its what liberals do…whine, cry, call names and slam their country…this is only the beginning of many dozens of these “butt chews” about YOU, the awful disgusting uncaring American (after ten trillion for social services-poverty). Its what angry unhappy people do (aka liberals 24-7).
Notice the “unresolved racial issues” were not mentioned…hey, how about 76% fornication babies, high crime and school dropout rates?
I forgot, reality and responsibility are never liberal options. This is the “era of personal responsibility”…ha, ha, ha…suckers.
You are too dumb (by democrat standards) to even pick your grilling or game day friends. So how is that a gov-meant issue?
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Posted by: reelman on Feb 19, 2009 5:34 AM
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Where are the liberal media crybabies? Where are the liberal congress rants and rages? Where are the liberal street protests?
Now do you understand that the modern mainstream media is biased for secular socialism? If not, get over the denial.
Even borrowing a trillion on your VISA gets a yawn from the biased media howling about how any tax cuts years ago would create intolerable dangerous debt.
Yes, the hypocritical network media and their liberal stooges have sold out. There can be no reversal. You are exposed.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 13, 2009 11:29 AM
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Initially when bailouts first started being talked about there was massive public opposition. Barely any of the public actually supported bailouts.
The first bank bill failed to pass and people saw their 401K take a dive and gave in to their FEAR.
They have been giving in ever since. FEAR combined with PARTY LOYALTY has continued to get citizens to support more bailouts and now this stimulus bill.
This is an $800+ billion stimulus bill in addition to the normal spending congress will engage in.
If we are going to fork out this much money it should be on Apollo projects with defined goals and timetables.
An Apollo Project to get the whole country wired with fiber optic to the home internet connections in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to get the entire FCC governed spectrum turned into wifi internet in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to improve the electrical grid with 25% less electricity lost to resistance in the power lines in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to deliver us affordable Zero Energy Homes in 10 years.
An Apollo Project to build desalinization plants to deliver more potable drinking water, because so many of our water tables and aquifers are drying up, in 10 years.
This stimulus bill has a goal, the goal is to inspire hope, hope that our economy will start to turn around which they hope will get citizens to start consuming more again since consumer consumption accounts for 2/3 of GDP.
What kind of goal is that? Yes we need to turn the economy around but if we are going to spend $800+ billion we should have specific tangible goals in mind with specific deadlines that long term will greatly benefit our country and continue to keep us the most advanced, powerful country in the world.
This bill sounds like a toilet flushing with countless dollars going down the drain.
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Feb 13, 2009 11:58 AM
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You backed him, remember? You're a Democrat, aren't you?
NOW you tell us we shouldn't be locked in to the Democrats.
In fact, there's a long history now of progressive mass movements: peace, fair trade, peace again, labor....
Each, in turn, gets sucked into a Democratic presidential campaign and defused. Do you really think that's accidental? Who do you think is paying the bill for that service?
The Icelanders get it; they're going Green. Why don't we get it?
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Posted by: MobileSucks on Feb 13, 2009 12:06 PM
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Honestly, I've been amazed and disappointed by how much people respond to style over substance. I can understand uneducated blacks turning Obama into an icon and messiah figure but college educated progressives?
Obama is politician not a leader like say Martin Luther King and of course even King was nothing without the movement.
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» 1. His name's Barry. 2. Protest.
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» 1. we mostly refrain from calling Nader "ralphie". 2. we mostly refrain from many things.
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Posted by: EinMD on Feb 13, 2009 1:11 PM
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I don't really care if it's Obama or some future President who makes these things happen.
But the one thing that irks me is that Obama's a politician, not a fucking king and I am a citizen, not a supplicant. He is not my leader in the sense that the King of England. Our founders didn't want kings and crowns and 'land and titles' clogging up our nation. That's why we HAVE a President in the first place.
Obama is my President which means he is a representative of the people in this nation. He is not somehow 'above' me or somehow innately deserving of anything. He's just a regular citizen just like the rest of us that has been chosen to take on enormous responsibility because somebody had to do it (and I am VERY glad that it wasn't John McSame). Enormous responsibility doesn't make him better or worse. It doesn't make someone noble or virtuous. It doesn't give them super powers of foresight or clarity.
He's a glorified crossing guard - nothing more, nothing less. He will get precisely the amount of respect from me that he EARNS through his actions. Just like George W. Bush did.
So the guy who came up with the 'beholden' idea can bite my hairy white backside. If anything, the government is beholden to the people, not the other way around. That's something the Republicans forgot over the last eight years and they paid the price.
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Posted by: KQuark on Feb 13, 2009 2:36 PM
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Democrats on the other hand are far from giving President Obama monolithic support. You are simply ignoring all the daily complaining on the left to make an invalid point. The ideologues on the right like George Will and even William F. Buckley kept their mouth's shut for years even though Bush was not forwarding their ideals of conservatism while ideologues on the left like Krugman are never muted in any way. Progressives are far less resistant to give up on their principles when Democrats are in power. Just because Democrats are less ideological when they are out of power shows part of progressive ideology is pragmatism.
The Democrats are the party of ideas where dissident voices are not restricted internally or externally. But the Republicans are the party of orthodoxy. When Republican leaders are in power it is a virtual dictatorship.
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Posted by: sin spectacles on Feb 13, 2009 3:18 PM
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But anyway, the problem with your article is there are networks and organizations in the US that are articulating these things, but unfortunately both the organizations and the "left" media are failing in getting it out there. The organizations because they dont have the resources to do it (as opposed to "democrat"-leaning left organizations like Move-On or CAP) nor the capacity (currently) to involve larger numbers of people, and the "left" media because they complain about a lack of response but the people they talk to are never going to actually be bold and articulate that response with people on the ground by the mere nature of the organizations you are speaking to. (for example CAP, who does AMAZING work, but is not in the habit of doing base-building, mobilizing, and direct strategic action on a target)
So good article, but it seems like youre critique should also include the job you're doing as a writer to get different stories out there.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 13, 2009 4:51 PM
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Otherwise we will be in Clinton II, Blue Dog, DLC, corporate cronyism horse shit up to our eyeballs.
disclaimer : I voted third party ~ Nader
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Posted by: Sojourner on Feb 13, 2009 4:52 PM
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Tom Harkin’s statement sounds like a fortune cookie: “Do better and good fortune will come your way.” At this point Obama needs no defense, because those who are criticizing him have no standing. Both the GOP establishment and the toxic left are so far behind what is underway in our nation’s capitol, they are reduced to peanut gallery (make that, salmonella peanut gallery).
So do round up the troops Mr. Greenwald; yes, we need to be organized. So long as the rally call is “Poor us is kept out of the loop,” however, I do not expect that to ring in anyone’s ears.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Feb 13, 2009 5:35 PM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» Obamabot trying to defend dishonest sellouts.
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Posted by: BST on Feb 14, 2009 2:42 AM
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I watched friends fall away during the primary as I questioned (always with respect) their unflinching, un-examined adulation of this man whose prime asset is oratory.
He is as much an operator as any other politician to come down the pike.
This does not mean he is not bright nor interesting nor honest. But he is as sly and controlling and as arrogant about his own stature as any other pol we've encountered.
It's just unfortunate that his unquestioning fans are only now starting to catch on that maybe he's got some things up his sleeve.
Understand this: I have never blamed Obama for going for the glory -- that's his right; I am simply appalled at those supporters who waded in with such starry-eyed subservience to a mythology.
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» RE: A myth in the un-making; here's something interesting. 18.9 million independent votes for Barry
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» Obamabot trying to defend dishonest sellouts.
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» Thank you BST ! Btw, I never fell for the Demo's silly tricks.
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» I voted for Obama but it was'nt because of . . .
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» I understand the plight so I'll forgive you.
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» No blind party loyalty here . . .
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Posted by: seazen on Feb 14, 2009 5:53 AM
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Obama has been President for less than a month. He faces an unprecedented set of challenges in a time when people are hurting and their emotions are raw. To get anything done, he has to work within the almost dysfunctional reality of Congress, a mindless media, and a national dialogue dominated by the mundane and the loud.
He calls for all of us to help, to get real about the conditions in our communities and our country, but we still seem more enthusiastic about declaring that the results of the first 30 days aren't perfect.
If we want to mobilize, if we have some great ideas, let's apply them locally in our neighborhoods and cities. Let's become really accountable - not just rattle on in the spheres of political bantering.
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Posted by: Beck on Feb 14, 2009 6:33 AM
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??????????????
This is the kind of scapegoating hogwash that seems rooted in bitterness and even hostility towards the winners. I guess it's what happens to the winners. Democrats haven't experienced that enough lately to remember.
It's also a complete invention. And speaks volumes about the way the other side(s) feel/felt about their candidates. The surprise at enthusiasm after 8 years of Bush? After watching the very uninspiring Gore and rather inept Kerry run against him? The surprise at enthusiasm over seeing a candidate connected to the very well-liked Palin lose? The surprise at seeing enthusiasm over an African-American winning for the first time? have you all lost any human sense of empathy, or have you just had your blood removed?
Invention. Or maybe the many, many fellow Bots I hung out with fighting to get Obama, whoops, Barry Hussein (go to Limbaugh's site and search that name. You all have no creativity whatsoever. "Barry" sounds too American. Geez, there was an actor on The Brady Bunch named Barry! And didn't "Barrack Hussein Odumbo" ever occur to any of YOU?) elected and McCain NOT elected weren't typical? All we wanted was someone better and viable and we always talked about holding him accountable if he won. That there were no guarantees.
Keep making us up, though. It's the only thing, apparently, that keeps your attention from the fact that you not only did not win, none of you candidates got even a million votes. (THAT is not a sign that you know better, by the way. It's definitely a sign of no organization, no positive outreach, and what looks like a massive sense of bullying entitlement.) And it'll divert you from the obvious lack of any better plan. Are you working your only plan right now? Well, stay the course.
Okay, my fellow 69 million Bots are calling. We gotta go worship Barry Hussein. If any of you manage to reign in your overworked negativity and win you can teach us how to go to rallies and inauguration speeches and stand with eyes down, maybe a slight smirk on face? But we get it: enthusiasm reinforces to the real intellects out there what idiots we are.
And maybe teach us right now what the role of an American interested in politics is if your candidate just lost? What do you do for four years now? Indulge in bitterness, nonstop, or remember we're Americans first, ideologues and party members second or third or fourth?
Time for Bot Church. I'm serving communion. Offerings may be sent to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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No expectations and illusions of granduer here.
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» As a left-wing values voter I still voted Nader
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» Jennifer gets to the heart of it
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Feb 15, 2009 3:12 AM
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If you think progressives are cool, just get them talking about the Clintons sometime. Make sure there are no chldren around when you do this.
Recall how Clinton-hatred was all the rage during the Democratic primary. It was a gross misogyny-fest, with "progressive" websites dusting off hoary old lies about the Clintons from the right-wing smear machine.
In the comments to this article, we already see some Clinton-bashing coming from progressives. They apparently believe every lie the right-controlled media ever said about the Clintons--and are damned proud of it.
And of course, none of them knows jacksh*t about the excellent Clinton record.
So how far can the left be expected to get, when progressives still repeat smears against their own people? Acceptable responses: zilch, zip, nada, doodley-squat.
8 Years without a Leader
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But the only time that drug policy reform has succeeded is when it has broken with the Democrats. Starting with the 1996 proposition 215 in California. Since then advances in drug policy have almost all been in spite of the Democrats rather than in collusion with them. And in more recent years it is the Democrats who have reluctantly come to reform positions.
Look at Obama and the medical pot raids in California after the inauguration. Obama had promised, during the campaign, to end the raids. Two days after the inauguration the DEA raided California facilities. Obama said NOTHING. A week later more raids. The upheaval in the liberal community about the first raids escalated to an earthquake of angst about Obama not stopping the raids. The White House finally made a milk toast assertion about eventually ending the raids, when they finally put their own people in place. And it did this only as a reaction to the anger from liberal voters about the continuing raids. Had Obama not seen the anger he would have said nothing.
You get nothing from the right-wing Democrats by supporting them blindly. They see you as a sycophant who will do what they are told.
I left the Democrats in 1996 and have learned that they now care about my opinion. At election time they call me for polling on a regular basis. When I register Democrat, to support some particular candidate, the calls stop until I change back to Independent. (Of course the polling is always push polling that has nothing to do with the issues that I consider to be important.) But I do think that the squeaky wheel model of political activist works better than the sycophant model does.
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Posted by: aahpat on Feb 15, 2009 10:22 AM
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Democracy in America is a facade for authoritarianism.
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Posted by: jbpazz on Feb 15, 2009 3:31 PM
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Now, they want Obama to loot the Social Security System for even more massive pay-offs.
When Nehemiah faced a similar problem with predatory lenders, he closed them down and restored the properties to the original owners.
What part of "simple justice" remains a mystery to liberals?
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Posted by: bemf on Feb 17, 2009 11:05 AM
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http://tinyurl.com/alafd7
I'd recommend that folks who liked Greenwald's article check it out.
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Posted by: reelman on Feb 18, 2009 11:20 AM
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In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, (liberal democrat) Attorney General Eric Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.
(liberal democrat) Attorney General Eric Holder described the United States Wednesday as a nation of cowards on matters of race, saying most Americans avoid discussing unresolved racial issues.
In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.
“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards,” said Holder, nation’s first black (liberal democrat) attorney general. AP 2.18.09
CRAWFISH NOTE: Its what liberals do…whine, cry, call names and slam their country…this is only the beginning of many dozens of these “butt chews” about YOU, the awful disgusting uncaring American (after ten trillion for social services-poverty). Its what angry unhappy people do (aka liberals 24-7).
Notice the “unresolved racial issues” were not mentioned…hey, how about 76% fornication babies, high crime and school dropout rates?
I forgot, reality and responsibility are never liberal options. This is the “era of personal responsibility”…ha, ha, ha…suckers.
You are too dumb (by democrat standards) to even pick your grilling or game day friends. So how is that a gov-meant issue?
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Posted by: reelman on Feb 19, 2009 5:34 AM
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Where are the liberal media crybabies? Where are the liberal congress rants and rages? Where are the liberal street protests?
Now do you understand that the modern mainstream media is biased for secular socialism? If not, get over the denial.
Even borrowing a trillion on your VISA gets a yawn from the biased media howling about how any tax cuts years ago would create intolerable dangerous debt.
Yes, the hypocritical network media and their liberal stooges have sold out. There can be no reversal. You are exposed.
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