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Senate Dems Compromise Away Best Parts of Recovery Plan
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Determined to pass something in the way of a stimulus package, Senate Democrats on Friday bartered away key elements of the more robust plan approved by the House.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, and his caucus colleagues got what is being called a "bipartisan agreement." But this is not a case of less being more.
The Senate's $780 billion plan is still a budget buster.
It's just not focused on spending as much of the money as the House sought to on renewing the economy.
In order to get the votes of two Republican (Maine's Susan Collins and Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter) and perhaps another (Mainer Olympia Snowe) that were needed to undermine the threat of a GOP filibuster, Reid surrendered $86 billion is proposed stimulus spending. In doing so, the Democrats agreed to cut not just fat but bone, and to warp the focus and intent of the legislation.
The Senate plan is dramatically more weighted than the House bill toward tax cuts (which account for more than 40 percent of the overall cost of the package). This is despite the fact that there is a growing consensus -- among even conservative economists and policy makers -- that tax cuts will do little or nothing to stimulate job creation in a country that lost almost 600,000 positions in January alone. As French President Nicolas Sarkozy, no liberal, said Friday of countries that opt for tax cuts rather than stimulus: The approach "will bring them nothing" in the way of economic regeneration.
The Senate's increased emphasis on tax cuts comes at the expense of the aggressive spending in key areas that might actually get a stalled economy moving.
Spending for school construction that would actually have put people to work -- while at the same time investing in the future -- has been slashed. (Almost $20 billion slated for school construction is gone.)
Money for Superfund cleanup, Head Start and Early Start child care, energy efficiency initiatives and historic preservation projects -- all of which create or maintain existing jobs -- has been cut.
Supplemental transportation funding has been hacked.
The House's proposal to help unemployed Americans maintain their health benefits has been chopped down.
Axed, as well, has been $90 million that was to have been allocated to plan for and manage a potential flu pandemic that economists and public health experts worry could shutter remaining businesses, bring the economy to a complete standstill and throw the country into a deep depression.
The bottom line is that, under the Senate plan:
* States will get less aid.
* Schools will get less help.
* Job creation programs will be less well funded.
* Preparations to combat potential public health disasters -- which could put the final nail in the economy's coffin -- will not be made.
In every sense, the Senate plan moves in the wrong direction.
At a time when smart economists are saying that a bigger, bolder stimulus plan is needed, Senate Democrats and a few moderate Republicans have agreed to a smaller, weaker initiative.
And Republicans are still delaying passage. It could be Sunday, even Monday, before a vote is taken. And who knows what more will be lost -- in time and stimulus spending before President Obama signs a bill.
These are the fruits of bipartisan fantasies and the compromises that follow upon them. President Obama, who should have been on television addressing the nation and doing everything in his power to rally support for a sufficient stimulus plan, will be lucky if he gets anything by the President's Day deadline he set. (Even after the Senate measure passes, a difficult process of reconciling the very different House and Senate bills must take place. Then there will be more votes before any legislation gets to the president's desk.)
The White House still wants to advance this measure, as do Senate Democratic leaders. And, considering the urgency of the moment, they are probably right to try to do something. But if the final "stimulus package" proves to be insufficient to jump start the economy -- and if what is left of public confidence in the prospect of turnaround collapses as a result -- this Friday night compromise will be remembered with pained regret.
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Posted by: suzdav2 on Feb 7, 2009 12:53 PM
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» Obama CHEATED and LIED with his "hope and change" fairy dust.
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» Obama's going to be losing plenty of the votes he was lucky to get the more he keeps up his GOP-lite
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» GREGG, TRANSLATED
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Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 7, 2009 1:15 PM
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Tax cuts do nothing except drain the coffers for worthwhile programs, while increasing the wealth gap. We still have two ongoing wars we haven't yet paid for ... Every war the US has been in it has paid for with higher taxes ... the Republicans cut taxes for these wars!
There is NO compromise with dangerous and toxic ideology. It can only destroy progress.
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» RE: Bipartisanship = Depression ...No bipartisanship means too many Americans are left unrepresented
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» Re: No bipartisanship means too many Americans are left unrepresented - WRONG !
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» RE: Bipartisanship = Depression ...ANOTHER GREAT DEPRESSION MADE BY NEOCONS SENT TO A CITY NEAR YOU!
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Posted by: freelyb on Feb 7, 2009 1:29 PM
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 7, 2009 1:33 PM
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» Thank you lenioui. I'm glad to see another who understand the plight.
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» RE: Thank you lenioui. I'm glad to see another who understand the plight.
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» Hi lenioui, Jennifer Bedingfield, and all. I would like to apologize for being duped into
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» "Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you." And neither are other parties.
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» RE: "Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you." And neither are other parties.
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» Thank you again lenioui. The Obamabots need a hell of a lot of training no doubt.
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» It's not either/or . . .
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» RE: "Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you." And neither are other parties.
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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Posted by: redclaymud on Feb 7, 2009 2:39 PM
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You stopped short of saying that if this stimulus package doesn't work, we can blame the Republicans. After all, it was the GOP that demanded some of the well intentioned pork be removed from the bill.
Pork is good. Pork creates jobs. I say, start building that bridge to nowhere again and let's see where it ends up.
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» RE: So the blame goes to?
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» RE: So the blame goes to?
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» RE: So the blame goes to?
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Feb 7, 2009 3:06 PM
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Actually, the U.S. public health care system (which is responsible for fighting epidemics) is in such poor state that only a complete overhaul can save it. Daschle had pledged to do so, but his nomination was sabotaged by health industry-sponsored Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee who used an arcane tax law (and the collaboration of the corporate media) to paint him as a tax dodger - a charge that pro-IMF Geithner was oddly immune to.
The last "flu pandemic preparedness measure" was the multi-billion dollar payout to Roche - Gilead for millions of doses of Tamiflu, Gilead's patented cash cow. That led to a huge rise in Gilead share prices - and Donald Rumsfeld made $20 million. Tamiflu isn't even working for the flu, either - but it's likely that this is where the money was to go.
It's very strange to see a left-wing liberal paper promoting the flu epidemic line. In reality, the Centers for Disease Control need a massive overhaul after the events of the past eight years.
Second, there are some good points in the revisions, for example and effort to move 1.5 billion in energy research from the DOE budget to the USDA budget, a great idea. That should include not just biofuel research, but also research into renewable energy powered fertilizer production, solar/wind-powered electric tractors and other machinery, etc.
There are also provisions in the bill for clean energy, which are up in the air. Houston Chronicle:
"...the mammoth economic stimulus bill that is winding its way through Congress largely bypasses Houston-based energy giants and fossil-fuel development in favor of funding new technologies to glean power from crops, the sun and heat trapped beneath the earth."
However, that was taken into account:
"With Texas getting federal money for electricity transmission upgrades, grants for biofuels research and the extension of tax credits popular with wind power investors, Green said the stimulus package is "an easy sell," even to people whose fortunes have been tied to fossil fuels."
For a better article on the current negotiations, especially the energy issues, see bangornews.com
"Greenpeace launched an e-mail campaign urging its members to contact the Maine senators because the compromise could remove more than $4.5 billion in funding nationally for energy efficiency, research and science programs.
"It’s crucial that those portions don’t get cut," said David Pomerantz, the New England regional organizer for Greenpeace. "We’re definitely urging Sen. Collins to leave the energy provisions intact."
That's the real issue - call up your Senators and demand they keep the energy provisions in.
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» Aid to states would have been a huge help
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Posted by: eyeonit on Feb 7, 2009 3:38 PM
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We are in crisis. These are not simple times. The nation, and the world, are in freefall thanks to the Repugicon Party over the last 30 year, which brought about the world's biggest Ponzi Scheme. (Google it.)
Americans need to act by stopping unessential shopping and borrowing.
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» RE: A Sad Day Indeed!
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» RE: A Sad Day Indeed!
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» RE: A Sad Day Indeed!
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» RE: A Sad Day Indeed!
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» RE: A Sad Day Indeed!
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Posted by: Gaubladt on Feb 7, 2009 5:38 PM
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To give the Terminator and his Republican gubinatorial peers an opportunity to carry out their petty vendetta against defenseless state employees and college teachers.
If the stimulus does not fix our economy in a decisive way, then the Republicans believe they will come back to power.
Obama will have only one chance to fix this mess. After that, the Republicans will be obliged to stonewall him to the grave and beyond.
His only chance is to demand a few trillion dollars of discretionary funds. This economic depression is like a war. And, Congress cannot legislate the details of a military strategy during a war. In the same way, the Congress cannot tie the hands of the President during this massive economic tsunami. He needs complete flexibility to put the money where he believes it will do the most good.
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» we are a federal system but not slaves to a centralized govt
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Posted by: wrinklemomma on Feb 7, 2009 7:22 PM
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» No, what they need is to be KICKED out and replaced with INDEPENDENTS !
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» No one gets kicked out without being voted in. Take some responsibility, and get to work,
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» "Personal responsiblity", blah blah blah. Just an excuse to defend bad pols.
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» EXACTLY !
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» RE: No one gets kicked out without being voted in. Take some responsibility, and get to work,
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» RE: "Why you are blaming Democrats for anything is beyond me. "
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» Define "Independent"
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Posted by: MCahill on Feb 7, 2009 9:33 PM
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Posted by: MCahill on Feb 7, 2009 9:42 PM
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» You're right, Annie boy...
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» Good point . . .
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» Good point . . .
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» Yes, apparently you are.
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» Excuse me but Democrats always have enough votes to increase war spending and bailouts for Wall $t.
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» RE: Numbers.
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» RE: Clarification please REPUBLICAN PUKE IS VOMIT ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT-CLARIFIED
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» RE: The Democrats are in power.
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Posted by: gnaw_bone on Feb 7, 2009 10:28 PM
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Feb 8, 2009 1:57 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Feb 8, 2009 5:24 AM
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How often is Pelosi even at the Chair in the House. Everytime I tune into CSpan it's some other lackey running the show. Is she at a Hair appointment Or nails?
As for Reid,could he whisper his thoughts any quieter, placate any more subserviantly?
At this point in our nations history, after 8 yrs of Criminality, we need Dem leaders who have the ability to not only LEAD,but Bulldoze.
We need to have representative which depict our OUTRAGE at what the Repugs Did and what it has resulted in.
I want someone like Clare McCaskill who has the Balls to tell it like it is 'Idiots on Wallstreet', 'What planet are they from?' (Not if they are from another planet, just Which)
I want a House Speaker who has some Ethics, nor an obedient '50's wife, just waiting for the boys to tell her which drinks to serve. Get Kucinich who has been the ONLY Rep who dared call Bush & Cheney Out for their crimes. Wheres those Articles of Impeachment Nan? Disposed in committee's circular file? Kucinich not only laid out the 35 articles, he's handed you the Indictments for High Crimes!
I blame the last 8 yrs not only on the Vile and treaasonous Repugs, but on Dems like Reid and Pelosi who assured ALL their dreams and wishes would be fulfilled!
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» RE: Demand Reid & Pelosi Step Down- Repug's bitches
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» I strongly agree. Cindy Sheehan should have won in Pelosi's district.
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» Thank you Purple Girl. I voted for Kucinich in the primaries myself. A rare awesome Democrat. :)
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Posted by: edgar1 on Feb 8, 2009 7:40 AM
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1. education is a local responsibility. one size fits all education doesn't work.
2.under the bushes and clinton federal aid to education has more than tripled. the quality of our education has declined. "test" scores mean nothing. teachers and administrators alike will tell you test tell you the kid can pass a test, period. can our kids compete with kids in Japan and China? Ha Ha.
3. burying the system with billions more in education aid while you keep the same unsuccessful system is racist(since the current system doesn't work for many non-white kids) won't work.
4. we need to think outside the box. but obama and the NEA won't even try vouchers. charter schools,successful in some places, are blocked by unions and liberals in other places. in the meantime, parents want alternatives to the "big box" model of education that obama would waste billions more.
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» RE: we don't know what to do about education
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Posted by: TexasCowboy on Feb 8, 2009 8:21 AM
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Sometimes we have to look at the big picture, invest in the future, which is NOT what has been done in the past 8 years, and every American should agree Republicans have absolutely no credibility on managing the economy, i.e TARP, Wall Street, HUGE tax cuts for the rich. In my opinion if Americans were more vocal on supporting the President's job package perhaps Republicans could be brought in line with middle America. To their credit they were able to sway people based on a few items which supported their position.
Either way, this stimulus must be passed, even in its reduced state, otherwise all Americans regardless of political party will lose.
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Posted by: Femmy68 on Feb 8, 2009 8:31 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Feb 8, 2009 8:41 AM
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well, the stonewalling and attempts at sabotage have become a reality and no one is going to benefit from the current senate version except the elite... another version of trickle down economics with different words...
if Obama signs off this version he is nuts... all the good for ordinary folks is gone and it is no more then business as usual...
hey, do you think Obama is ballsy enough to use executive orders or signing statements to put back stuff that will benefit the rest of us... what we need are jobs first, then the system will start running again... not more $$ for corps but small businesses...
wombat used executive orders and signing statements all the time to get what he wanted in a bill, why not Obama doing the same thing but in a good way for ordinary families???
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Posted by: tonykarr on Feb 8, 2009 9:34 AM
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1. Eliminate capitol gain tax on all real estate properties that will be purchased after a new legislation is passed for a period of two years. The real property that is purchased during this 2-yr period will never be subject to capitol gain tax even if it is sold many years later.
These tax changes apply ONLY for real estate purchases within two years after the new legislation is passed. This incentive will increase housing demand quickly and generate a lot of sales for homeowners at reasonable prices without resorting to bankruptcies or foreclosures. The banks will be "bailed" out without government interference. This is like the “good guys” rescue the “bad guys” who are holding the so called “toxic” papers. The toxic papers that are currently held by these financial institutions will immediately become worth more after the passage of this legislation due to the expected increase in real estate demand.
Giving just general tax cuts to people in the hope that they will spend it to stimulate the economy is taking a big risky gamble as well as piling up on our debt. People and businesses should only get benefits when they spend their own hard earned money to stimulate the economy. Let the market work without too much interference by our government.
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Posted by: JAVA on Feb 8, 2009 9:43 AM
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Posted by: Fathoms on Feb 8, 2009 11:21 AM
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P.S. I have an excellent addition to the stimulus package. It will create jobs, improve communications and transparency in government and magnitudinally improve cyber-security within our infrastructure. Convert every computer in the Federal system (including the misbegottenly crash-prone Congressional web-servers) over to Linux, Open BSD, or another, most appropriate for the application, form of Unix. The only systems that should be immune to the first wave of this conversion should be systems we are strategically or tactically dependent upon for National security. As the bulk of these are already Linux computers or clusters, this shouldn't impact the process in any significant manner.
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Posted by: edgar1 on Feb 8, 2009 2:12 PM
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» Do your homework
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Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Feb 8, 2009 5:33 PM
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» RE: Sigh, I'm already starting to regret my vote for Obama.
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» RE: Sigh, I'm already starting to regret my vote for Obama.
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» RE: Sigh, I'm already starting to regret my vote for Obama.
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Feb 8, 2009 5:39 PM
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Nothing wrong with these projects at all, but in our current financial system they aren't the best investment. We need to be spending money on projects that will get people back to work ASAP. The money needs to be spent today..not 4 years from now.
If Ried and Pelosi hadn't been playing politics with this it would have passed already. If Obama wasnt being pushed around by President Pelosi, we'd have a better plan. She has to go!
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Posted by: larryfhilton on Feb 8, 2009 7:51 PM
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» Great idea. I think he's up for reelection in 2010.
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» RE: Great idea. I think he's up for reelection in 2010.
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Feb 9, 2009 12:19 AM
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The states need a stimulus in funds or they would have to raise taxes hugely on their people. This would not be a problem if we weren't spending unbelievable amounts of tax dollars fighting wars and supporting a military presence all around the world, not to mention all the money that goes into the Pentagon for research for new WMDs, etc. Add to that, we don't need to be propping up Wall Street firms as we witness banks hoarding the money given them or wasting it.
I'm also tired of stuff written into the stimulus that is so specific that it only applies to some people. Head Start only targets a minority of the population and has nothing to do with creating jobs. The amount of Pell Grant money is so low that it's almost meaningless; we need to dump the No Child Left Behind act and standardized testing (SAT, GRE, etc.), which only benefits the ETS; conversely, I like educational loan forgiveness and eliminating payroll tax deductions for a year. Rewriting mortgages instead of foreclosure. Incentives for home buyers and car buyers. Alternative energy jobs. Health care for everyone (not just children). Lower prescription rates.
Living in Europe for the last 3 years, I have experienced socialist countries. Yes, they really tax their people, but everyone has healthcare and their educational systems are first rate and cheap, cheap, cheap, which includes their higher education costs. In other words, people get lots for their money paid in taxes. They also aren't funding wars here, there, and yon, you will notice. I have a new found respect for socialism having seen its benefits - and what are we getting in the US - nada.
I'm beginning to think the US should split off into regions - it's too big and too corrupt. I, like many others, voted for Obama because I couldn't imagine putting Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency - John McCain either. I could have thrown away my vote on an independent but the Independent party is unorganized and needs to be 'grown' starting now. There is no hope for the present status quo - the conservative Dems are just as obstructionist as the Repugs and they don't understand economics at all. Obama was the only hope; he campaigned on change, but his actions have belied his words. Yes, he's a smooth talker, but he's no progressive nor anywhere near being a decisive leader championing reform.
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» I agree he hasn't been decisive enough, and that a socialist party needs to grow here.
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» RE: We can't grow without YOU.
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Posted by: agape on Feb 9, 2009 1:38 AM
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Posted by: BeckyD on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 AM
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» Added...we need stimulus, not just spending
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Posted by: nobuko on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 AM
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Russ Feingold should be in his position! What can we do to CHANGE IT?
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Posted by: xvictor on Feb 9, 2009 4:51 AM
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What the people need and what the government should provide is just a lifeline, a shelter in an economic storm. That is, extend unemployment benefits and offer very basic medical care, for example, while this storm is raging. The cost for those outlays is quite cheap in comparison.
Leave economics and business to the private sector. Modify/eliminate regulations that hamper growth. Abolishing the DEA, Sarbannes-Oxley, and other useless government fodder is the best thing the Fed can do.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 9, 2009 5:40 AM
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In October and November I spent much of my time on the telephone talking to Democratic voters in Maine. I was urging them to get out and vote for Obama, but also to vote for Tom Allen who was running an uphill race to replace Susan Collins in the Senate. Tom is a good progressive who would have undoubtedly supported Obama and done good work in the Senate.
It was fairly clear from my conversations that Susan Collins was apt to be re-elected since so many of the Obama voters I talked to were planning to vote for Collins. She is a moderate; she has done good things for the state; I'm comfortable with her in the Senate; let's keep the Republicans in as a balance against a Democratic President; these are the arguments I heard over and over. The notion that Obama would need a strong Senate majority (60 votes or more) to get his programs through and that this would be especially important in view of the economic problems - these arguments seemed to fall on deaf ears.
Well voters of Maine, we got what you wanted: political stalemate and crippling compromise.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Feb 9, 2009 6:25 AM
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WE didn't need Reid bending over and giving away State funds, health care coverage, scholl renovations- We need someone like Rahm to tell Repugs He will have their 'Signature or their brains' on the package before he left their office.
Wanted to put Repugs Balls to the fire, You TELL them the rest of the TARP will not be given to the Financial Sector. If Paulson can change the Game plan, so can the Dems. Then lets see how their 'survival of the Fittest' Capitalistic Orgy Works to save their asses.Then you TELL them that they will not only be prosecuting the CEO's but all in Political office who aided them in this Economic treason. You TELL Them they will be exposed for THEIR long standing criminality which contributed to this Economic Hostile takeover of the American Way of Life- EVery newspaper, every talk show, Every Blog will be used to Reveal Who they have been working to Aid & Comfort in those Corner Offices.
Adn there a few 'Blue Dogs' (Repug LAP dogs) who should get the same 'Offer they Can't Refuse'!
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Posted by: Newsguy on Feb 9, 2009 6:51 AM
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Harry Reid is like that Scarecrow. If he only had a brain.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 9, 2009 9:16 AM
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Down here,in the real world, we knew who was going to get 'paid'...the Controlist Jerks who's free market bullshit created this so-called 'financial crisis'. It's the lower incomes and fixed incomes that really have the financial crisis. But if you talk about supporting the poor,they call you a socialist or a marxist. Not someone that's making a level headed choice for the good of the Nation.
They don't hail you as a Hero of the Common People. No not at all. You're painted out to be the person that will destablize the American Way. Which is to say, We'd be leveling the playing field. An anathma to those who feel their hoarding wealth gives them power.
The financial 'smoke-screen' is fooling no one. The People know this governance doesn't support them.So what if the President's Father was a goatherder,that doesn't mean he's 'in touch' with his 'meager living people'. Big O grew up as a middleclass 'Hawaiian' where it costs so much to live you'd be nearly upper class if you were on the mainland. The middle class west Kansas grandparents was a smoke-screen too. If Big O grew up in redneck west Kansas instead of multi-racial Hawaii,he'd be a much different Barack.
So the Democrats bartered away a lot of stimulus goodies for the poor and lower income.
The middle class,the imaginary middle class,getS a little,the rich,as expected get the most.
There's only one way to get Washington to get their focus on shoring up the right part of the social ladder and that would be to invoke OUR RIGHT to set they payscale. Most Aericans are tired of millionaire politicians kissing ever richer asses and are aiding them to keep most of the wealth, so let's even it up ourselves and make a public decree,which we can, and make all politicians pay...$5 an hour.
Let's demand the reinstitution of the 91% taxbracket for those multi-millionaire incomes.
How about the novel idea of not fighting wars
with 'created enemies'. That may cause the layoffs of thousands of poeple that make 'killing toys' but wouldn't that make us look like a Peaceful Nation. At the Top Levels..we're not and we don't intend to be.
What do I think the bailout bullshit is covering up?? I'll tell you. I too had a lot of hope that Big O was going to be something other than just another politician. The proof that I was looking for was the removal of the power of a sitting President to rain down nukes on anyone they chose to call 'Terrorist'.
He didn't do that. Our system was created to put barriers to putting that kind of killing power into the hands of a single person. We seem to have forgotten that no matter how level headed any person may seem today,tomorrow they could snap and turn the globe into a cinder. Until we get that knid of restraint on the Oval Office we need to watch how the money flows from us to their system.
Maybe the 150 something million their budget,stimulus smokescreen bullshit is really affecting should just kind of 'show up' in DC,when the weather's nicer,say Mother's Day and have a good old fashioned non-violent civilly disobedient sit in until those fools get it right.
The rest of the World is rioting over their corrupted governments that bled them dry economically too. It's not that American's aren't willing to challange the system,we're just slow to anger.
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Posted by: jimswanson on Feb 9, 2009 10:26 AM
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We have the advantage of knowing what to expect from Neanderthals in the Republican Party. They are thus “reliable.”
As for our Democratic leaders, especially those in the U.S. Senate, we trust them at our peril.
True progressive transformation of our nation must be driven from the grassroots up, not from the top down by corporate-business-as-usual career politicians.
Electing Obama was the easy part. The real work begins today, and again tomorrow, and again each new day.
We must stay engaged, take names, and never give up. Let’s redouble our efforts.
We must keep our friends close, our enemy closer, and our Democratic leaders closest.
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Posted by: madmax427 on Feb 9, 2009 10:36 AM
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KILLING Education funding IS the Purpose because If You are too stupid to understand what is happening to You, THEY Win! IF YOU are too stupid to figure out the "system" THEY WIN! IF You are too stupid to fight for Your Rights & Figure out They don't CARE about YOU, THEY WIN! IF YOU are too Stupid to figure out the "system" is BROKEN, THEY WIN!
IF You cannot see that Federalizing the FED can STOP the control over Us & are MONEY, THEY WIN! IF the Fed were a FEDERAL Operation, MONEY could NOT be used as a HAMMER to SCREW Us! OR, We could ALL just start playing Russian Reulette with semi automatic weapons & SAVE 'Them" a whole bunch of trouble!
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Posted by: Signreader on Feb 10, 2009 11:49 PM
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YOU ARE BARKING AT THE WRONG TREES!
HOW MANY JOBS AND FOR HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING HERE? AMERICA'S SOUL HAS BEEN SOLD BY OUR PRESIDENTS.. REPUBS AND DEMS BOTH.... TO THE ZIONIST MONEY CHANGERS...WHO SHIPPED THE VALUE ADDED WORK TO CHINA AND INDIA TO TEACH THE FAT DUMB AND HAPPY AMERICANS A LESSON OF HARD AND DILIGENT WORK... DON'T BELIEVE GO LOOK AT THE PRODUCT SOLD IN YOUR BIG BOX STORES...JUST HOW MANY GADGETS ARE AMERICAN MADE...COMPUTERS TV ANY THING POTABLE ..DON'T GO TO PRODUCE SECTION THAT MIGHT BLOW YOUR MIND FISH AND GARLIC COMING FROM CHINA!! THE AMERICANS KNOW HOW TO BOMB DEFENSELESS COUNTRIES TO KEEP PEOPLE AFRAID OF AMERICAN AIR MIGHT BUT ECONOMICALLY WE ARE COWARDS WANT TO LIVE OFF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY...POLITICIANS TAKE EVERY BODY'S MONEY AND THEY LIE AND CHEAT! WOULD LIKE TO SEE BIG "O" DECLARE THAT ALL THOSE WHO CREATED THIS MESS BE PROSECUTED THEN WILL TRUST HIM WITH MY CHILDREN MONEY....WHY AMERICANS WERE SO COMFORTABLY LIVING OFF THE CHINESE FUNDING OF US FEDERAL BUDGET, IT WAS OK TO PLAY THE HOUSING PYRAMID WITH CHINESE AND EUROPEAN MONEY TILL THE BOTTOM FELL OFF....BIG GOT THE CAMPAIGN FUNDS FROM THOSE FINANCIAL WIZARDS OF ZIONIST WALL STREET....HE IS NO SAINT OR MESSIAH...HE COLLECTED 3/4 OF A BILLION $ AND IT IS ABOUT THE PAYBACK IN SOME FASHION!
NOT THE SAME AMERICA THAT WE CAN TRUST WITH SUCH LARGE BORROW AND SPEND PLAN....WITH A SIMPLE CALCULATION IF DIVIDE THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF THE STIMULI BY THE UNEMPLOYED THEN EVERY ONE SHOULD BE GETTING QUARTER OF MILLION DOLLARS!
NOW THINK ABOUT THE MIDDLE MEN...
WHAT IS HAPPENING? WITHOUT BUILDING ANY FACTORIES... HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CREATE PERMANENT JOBS THAT PAY GOOD ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THE AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING...THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY LEFT IN WASHINGTON; BUSH GOT AWAY WITH MURDER AND NOW IT IS BIG O's TURN THE MONEY WILL BE MADE BY THE WELL CONNECTED GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS WHEN THE ROADS & BRIDGES TO NOWHERE ARE FINISHED THE MONEY IS GONE AND THE TAX PAYER WILL BE STUCK IF THERE WILL ANY LEFT......i M DONE WITH MY TWO CENTS.....
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Posted by: Signreader on Feb 11, 2009 12:17 AM
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YOU ARE BARKING AT THE WRONG TREES! HERE ARE MY TWO CENTS...........
HOW MANY JOBS AND FOR HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING HERE? AMERICA'S SOUL HAS BEEN SOLD BY OUR PRESIDENTS.. REPUBS AND DEMS BOTH SINCE THE FIRST SECRET VISIT OF HENRY K.. TO CHINA.... TO THE ZIONIST MONEY CHANGERS AND THE CAPITALISTS...WHO SHIPPED THE AMERICAN VALUE ADDED WORK TO CHINA AND THEN TO INDIA AND OTHER SWEATSHOP COUNTRIES IN ORDER TO TEACH THE FAT DUMB AND HAPPY AMERICANS A LESSON OF DILIGENT WORK...IT NEVER HAPPENED EVER IN THE INDUSTRIAL HISTORY TO GIVE THE TECHNOLOGY AWAY SO FREELY!!!
DON'T BELIEVE GO LOOK AT THE PRODUCTS SOLD IN YOUR BIG BOX STORES...JUST COUNT HOW MANY GADGETS ARE AMERICAN MADE...COMPUTERS TVs ANY THING ELECTRONIC.. ANY THING POTABLE ..DON'T GO TO PRODUCE SECTION THAT MIGHT BLOW YOUR MIND... FISH AND GARLIC COMING FROM CHINA!!
THE AMERICANS KNOW HOW TO BOMB DEFENSELESS AFGHANIS AND IRAQI TO KEEP PEOPLE AFRAID OF AMERICAN AIR MIGHT BUT ECONOMICALLY WE ARE COWARDS CUZ IT IS CHINESE MONEY WE WANT TO LIVE OFF...POLITICIANS TAKE EVERY BODY'S MONEY AND THEY LIE AND CHEAT!THE FEDS ARE CREATING DOLLARS OUT OF THIN AIR BY THE TRUCK LOADS...THEY DID THAT TO FUND BUSH'S WAR OBAMA WAS WATCHING IT WITH THE REST OF THE REPUBS SO WHAT GIVES....THE CROOKS ARE ALWAYS SMARTER THAN THE POLITICIANS AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE TAX PAYER....I PLAN NOT PAY ANY MORE TAXES TO THESE BASTARDS AND RETIRE...
WOULD LIKE TO SEE BIG "O" DECLARE THAT ALL THOSE WHO CREATED THIS BANKING MESS BE PROSECUTED THEN WILL TRUST HIM WITH MY CHILDREN MONEY... BUT FAT CHANCE HIS TREASURY MAN DIDN'T WANT PAY TAXES EITHER.WHY AMERICANS WERE SO COMFORTABLY LIVING OFF THE CHINESE FUNDING OF US FEDERAL BUDGET.... IT WAS OK TO PLAY THE HOUSING PYRAMID WITH CHINESE AND EUROPEAN MONEY TILL THE BOTTOM FELL OFF....BIG GOT THE CAMPAIGN FUNDS FROM THOSE FINANCIAL WIZARDS OF ZIONIST WALL STREET....HE IS NO SAINT OR MESSIAH...HE COLLECTED 3/4 OF A BILLION $ AND IT IS ABOUT THE PAYBACK TIME IN SOME FASHION!
IT NOT THE SAME AMERICA THAT WE CAN TRUST WITH SUCH LARGE BORROW AND SPEND PLAN....WITH A SIMPLE CALCULATION IF DIVIDE THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF THE STIMULI BY THE UNEMPLOYED THEN EVERY ONE SHOULD BE GETTING QUARTER OF MILLION DOLLARS! WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A LIFE SAVING AMOUNTS FOR A REGULAR WORKER...
WHAT IS HAPPENING?
WITHOUT BUILDING ANY FACTORIES... HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CREATE PERMANENT JOBS THAT PAY GOOD ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THE AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING...
THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY LEFT IN WASHINGTON! BUSH GOT AWAY WITH MURDER AND NOW IT IS BIG O's TURN TO SQUANDER THE MONEY WILL BE MADE BY THE WELL CONNECTED GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS....AFTER THE ROADS & BRIDGES TO NOWHERE ARE FINISHED THE MONEY IS GONE AND THE TAX PAYER WILL BE STUCK IF THEY WILL ANY AROUND ...... DONE WITH MY TWO CENTS.....
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» Obama CHEATED and LIED with his "hope and change" fairy dust.
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» Obama's going to be losing plenty of the votes he was lucky to get the more he keeps up his GOP-lite
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» GREGG, TRANSLATED
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Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 7, 2009 1:15 PM
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Tax cuts do nothing except drain the coffers for worthwhile programs, while increasing the wealth gap. We still have two ongoing wars we haven't yet paid for ... Every war the US has been in it has paid for with higher taxes ... the Republicans cut taxes for these wars!
There is NO compromise with dangerous and toxic ideology. It can only destroy progress.
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» Re: No bipartisanship means too many Americans are left unrepresented - WRONG !
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» RE: Bipartisanship = Depression ...ANOTHER GREAT DEPRESSION MADE BY NEOCONS SENT TO A CITY NEAR YOU!
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Posted by: freelyb on Feb 7, 2009 1:29 PM
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Feb 7, 2009 1:33 PM
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» Thank you lenioui. I'm glad to see another who understand the plight.
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» Hi lenioui, Jennifer Bedingfield, and all. I would like to apologize for being duped into
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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» "Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you." And neither are other parties.
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» RE: "Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you." And neither are other parties.
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» Thank you again lenioui. The Obamabots need a hell of a lot of training no doubt.
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» It's not either/or . . .
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» RE: "Other cultures are not failed attempts at being you." And neither are other parties.
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» RE: Since when do either the Democrats or Republicans do anything for Main Street and not Wall $treet ??
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Posted by: redclaymud on Feb 7, 2009 2:39 PM
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You stopped short of saying that if this stimulus package doesn't work, we can blame the Republicans. After all, it was the GOP that demanded some of the well intentioned pork be removed from the bill.
Pork is good. Pork creates jobs. I say, start building that bridge to nowhere again and let's see where it ends up.
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Feb 7, 2009 3:06 PM
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Actually, the U.S. public health care system (which is responsible for fighting epidemics) is in such poor state that only a complete overhaul can save it. Daschle had pledged to do so, but his nomination was sabotaged by health industry-sponsored Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee who used an arcane tax law (and the collaboration of the corporate media) to paint him as a tax dodger - a charge that pro-IMF Geithner was oddly immune to.
The last "flu pandemic preparedness measure" was the multi-billion dollar payout to Roche - Gilead for millions of doses of Tamiflu, Gilead's patented cash cow. That led to a huge rise in Gilead share prices - and Donald Rumsfeld made $20 million. Tamiflu isn't even working for the flu, either - but it's likely that this is where the money was to go.
It's very strange to see a left-wing liberal paper promoting the flu epidemic line. In reality, the Centers for Disease Control need a massive overhaul after the events of the past eight years.
Second, there are some good points in the revisions, for example and effort to move 1.5 billion in energy research from the DOE budget to the USDA budget, a great idea. That should include not just biofuel research, but also research into renewable energy powered fertilizer production, solar/wind-powered electric tractors and other machinery, etc.
There are also provisions in the bill for clean energy, which are up in the air. Houston Chronicle:
"...the mammoth economic stimulus bill that is winding its way through Congress largely bypasses Houston-based energy giants and fossil-fuel development in favor of funding new technologies to glean power from crops, the sun and heat trapped beneath the earth."
However, that was taken into account:
"With Texas getting federal money for electricity transmission upgrades, grants for biofuels research and the extension of tax credits popular with wind power investors, Green said the stimulus package is "an easy sell," even to people whose fortunes have been tied to fossil fuels."
For a better article on the current negotiations, especially the energy issues, see bangornews.com
"Greenpeace launched an e-mail campaign urging its members to contact the Maine senators because the compromise could remove more than $4.5 billion in funding nationally for energy efficiency, research and science programs.
"It’s crucial that those portions don’t get cut," said David Pomerantz, the New England regional organizer for Greenpeace. "We’re definitely urging Sen. Collins to leave the energy provisions intact."
That's the real issue - call up your Senators and demand they keep the energy provisions in.
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Posted by: eyeonit on Feb 7, 2009 3:38 PM
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We are in crisis. These are not simple times. The nation, and the world, are in freefall thanks to the Repugicon Party over the last 30 year, which brought about the world's biggest Ponzi Scheme. (Google it.)
Americans need to act by stopping unessential shopping and borrowing.
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Posted by: Gaubladt on Feb 7, 2009 5:38 PM
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To give the Terminator and his Republican gubinatorial peers an opportunity to carry out their petty vendetta against defenseless state employees and college teachers.
If the stimulus does not fix our economy in a decisive way, then the Republicans believe they will come back to power.
Obama will have only one chance to fix this mess. After that, the Republicans will be obliged to stonewall him to the grave and beyond.
His only chance is to demand a few trillion dollars of discretionary funds. This economic depression is like a war. And, Congress cannot legislate the details of a military strategy during a war. In the same way, the Congress cannot tie the hands of the President during this massive economic tsunami. He needs complete flexibility to put the money where he believes it will do the most good.
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» No, what they need is to be KICKED out and replaced with INDEPENDENTS !
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» No one gets kicked out without being voted in. Take some responsibility, and get to work,
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» "Personal responsiblity", blah blah blah. Just an excuse to defend bad pols.
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» EXACTLY !
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» Yes, apparently you are.
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» Excuse me but Democrats always have enough votes to increase war spending and bailouts for Wall $t.
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» RE: Numbers.
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» RE: Clarification please REPUBLICAN PUKE IS VOMIT ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT-CLARIFIED
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» RE: The Democrats are in power.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Feb 8, 2009 1:57 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Feb 8, 2009 5:24 AM
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How often is Pelosi even at the Chair in the House. Everytime I tune into CSpan it's some other lackey running the show. Is she at a Hair appointment Or nails?
As for Reid,could he whisper his thoughts any quieter, placate any more subserviantly?
At this point in our nations history, after 8 yrs of Criminality, we need Dem leaders who have the ability to not only LEAD,but Bulldoze.
We need to have representative which depict our OUTRAGE at what the Repugs Did and what it has resulted in.
I want someone like Clare McCaskill who has the Balls to tell it like it is 'Idiots on Wallstreet', 'What planet are they from?' (Not if they are from another planet, just Which)
I want a House Speaker who has some Ethics, nor an obedient '50's wife, just waiting for the boys to tell her which drinks to serve. Get Kucinich who has been the ONLY Rep who dared call Bush & Cheney Out for their crimes. Wheres those Articles of Impeachment Nan? Disposed in committee's circular file? Kucinich not only laid out the 35 articles, he's handed you the Indictments for High Crimes!
I blame the last 8 yrs not only on the Vile and treaasonous Repugs, but on Dems like Reid and Pelosi who assured ALL their dreams and wishes would be fulfilled!
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» I strongly agree. Cindy Sheehan should have won in Pelosi's district.
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» Thank you Purple Girl. I voted for Kucinich in the primaries myself. A rare awesome Democrat. :)
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Posted by: edgar1 on Feb 8, 2009 7:40 AM
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1. education is a local responsibility. one size fits all education doesn't work.
2.under the bushes and clinton federal aid to education has more than tripled. the quality of our education has declined. "test" scores mean nothing. teachers and administrators alike will tell you test tell you the kid can pass a test, period. can our kids compete with kids in Japan and China? Ha Ha.
3. burying the system with billions more in education aid while you keep the same unsuccessful system is racist(since the current system doesn't work for many non-white kids) won't work.
4. we need to think outside the box. but obama and the NEA won't even try vouchers. charter schools,successful in some places, are blocked by unions and liberals in other places. in the meantime, parents want alternatives to the "big box" model of education that obama would waste billions more.
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Posted by: TexasCowboy on Feb 8, 2009 8:21 AM
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Sometimes we have to look at the big picture, invest in the future, which is NOT what has been done in the past 8 years, and every American should agree Republicans have absolutely no credibility on managing the economy, i.e TARP, Wall Street, HUGE tax cuts for the rich. In my opinion if Americans were more vocal on supporting the President's job package perhaps Republicans could be brought in line with middle America. To their credit they were able to sway people based on a few items which supported their position.
Either way, this stimulus must be passed, even in its reduced state, otherwise all Americans regardless of political party will lose.
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Posted by: Femmy68 on Feb 8, 2009 8:31 AM
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Posted by: ellie on Feb 8, 2009 8:41 AM
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well, the stonewalling and attempts at sabotage have become a reality and no one is going to benefit from the current senate version except the elite... another version of trickle down economics with different words...
if Obama signs off this version he is nuts... all the good for ordinary folks is gone and it is no more then business as usual...
hey, do you think Obama is ballsy enough to use executive orders or signing statements to put back stuff that will benefit the rest of us... what we need are jobs first, then the system will start running again... not more $$ for corps but small businesses...
wombat used executive orders and signing statements all the time to get what he wanted in a bill, why not Obama doing the same thing but in a good way for ordinary families???
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Posted by: tonykarr on Feb 8, 2009 9:34 AM
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1. Eliminate capitol gain tax on all real estate properties that will be purchased after a new legislation is passed for a period of two years. The real property that is purchased during this 2-yr period will never be subject to capitol gain tax even if it is sold many years later.
These tax changes apply ONLY for real estate purchases within two years after the new legislation is passed. This incentive will increase housing demand quickly and generate a lot of sales for homeowners at reasonable prices without resorting to bankruptcies or foreclosures. The banks will be "bailed" out without government interference. This is like the “good guys” rescue the “bad guys” who are holding the so called “toxic” papers. The toxic papers that are currently held by these financial institutions will immediately become worth more after the passage of this legislation due to the expected increase in real estate demand.
Giving just general tax cuts to people in the hope that they will spend it to stimulate the economy is taking a big risky gamble as well as piling up on our debt. People and businesses should only get benefits when they spend their own hard earned money to stimulate the economy. Let the market work without too much interference by our government.
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Posted by: Fathoms on Feb 8, 2009 11:21 AM
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P.S. I have an excellent addition to the stimulus package. It will create jobs, improve communications and transparency in government and magnitudinally improve cyber-security within our infrastructure. Convert every computer in the Federal system (including the misbegottenly crash-prone Congressional web-servers) over to Linux, Open BSD, or another, most appropriate for the application, form of Unix. The only systems that should be immune to the first wave of this conversion should be systems we are strategically or tactically dependent upon for National security. As the bulk of these are already Linux computers or clusters, this shouldn't impact the process in any significant manner.
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» RE: Sigh, I'm already starting to regret my vote for Obama.
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Feb 8, 2009 5:39 PM
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Nothing wrong with these projects at all, but in our current financial system they aren't the best investment. We need to be spending money on projects that will get people back to work ASAP. The money needs to be spent today..not 4 years from now.
If Ried and Pelosi hadn't been playing politics with this it would have passed already. If Obama wasnt being pushed around by President Pelosi, we'd have a better plan. She has to go!
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Posted by: larryfhilton on Feb 8, 2009 7:51 PM
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Feb 9, 2009 12:19 AM
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The states need a stimulus in funds or they would have to raise taxes hugely on their people. This would not be a problem if we weren't spending unbelievable amounts of tax dollars fighting wars and supporting a military presence all around the world, not to mention all the money that goes into the Pentagon for research for new WMDs, etc. Add to that, we don't need to be propping up Wall Street firms as we witness banks hoarding the money given them or wasting it.
I'm also tired of stuff written into the stimulus that is so specific that it only applies to some people. Head Start only targets a minority of the population and has nothing to do with creating jobs. The amount of Pell Grant money is so low that it's almost meaningless; we need to dump the No Child Left Behind act and standardized testing (SAT, GRE, etc.), which only benefits the ETS; conversely, I like educational loan forgiveness and eliminating payroll tax deductions for a year. Rewriting mortgages instead of foreclosure. Incentives for home buyers and car buyers. Alternative energy jobs. Health care for everyone (not just children). Lower prescription rates.
Living in Europe for the last 3 years, I have experienced socialist countries. Yes, they really tax their people, but everyone has healthcare and their educational systems are first rate and cheap, cheap, cheap, which includes their higher education costs. In other words, people get lots for their money paid in taxes. They also aren't funding wars here, there, and yon, you will notice. I have a new found respect for socialism having seen its benefits - and what are we getting in the US - nada.
I'm beginning to think the US should split off into regions - it's too big and too corrupt. I, like many others, voted for Obama because I couldn't imagine putting Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency - John McCain either. I could have thrown away my vote on an independent but the Independent party is unorganized and needs to be 'grown' starting now. There is no hope for the present status quo - the conservative Dems are just as obstructionist as the Repugs and they don't understand economics at all. Obama was the only hope; he campaigned on change, but his actions have belied his words. Yes, he's a smooth talker, but he's no progressive nor anywhere near being a decisive leader championing reform.
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Posted by: agape on Feb 9, 2009 1:38 AM
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Posted by: nobuko on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 AM
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Russ Feingold should be in his position! What can we do to CHANGE IT?
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Posted by: xvictor on Feb 9, 2009 4:51 AM
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What the people need and what the government should provide is just a lifeline, a shelter in an economic storm. That is, extend unemployment benefits and offer very basic medical care, for example, while this storm is raging. The cost for those outlays is quite cheap in comparison.
Leave economics and business to the private sector. Modify/eliminate regulations that hamper growth. Abolishing the DEA, Sarbannes-Oxley, and other useless government fodder is the best thing the Fed can do.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Feb 9, 2009 5:40 AM
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In October and November I spent much of my time on the telephone talking to Democratic voters in Maine. I was urging them to get out and vote for Obama, but also to vote for Tom Allen who was running an uphill race to replace Susan Collins in the Senate. Tom is a good progressive who would have undoubtedly supported Obama and done good work in the Senate.
It was fairly clear from my conversations that Susan Collins was apt to be re-elected since so many of the Obama voters I talked to were planning to vote for Collins. She is a moderate; she has done good things for the state; I'm comfortable with her in the Senate; let's keep the Republicans in as a balance against a Democratic President; these are the arguments I heard over and over. The notion that Obama would need a strong Senate majority (60 votes or more) to get his programs through and that this would be especially important in view of the economic problems - these arguments seemed to fall on deaf ears.
Well voters of Maine, we got what you wanted: political stalemate and crippling compromise.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Feb 9, 2009 6:25 AM
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WE didn't need Reid bending over and giving away State funds, health care coverage, scholl renovations- We need someone like Rahm to tell Repugs He will have their 'Signature or their brains' on the package before he left their office.
Wanted to put Repugs Balls to the fire, You TELL them the rest of the TARP will not be given to the Financial Sector. If Paulson can change the Game plan, so can the Dems. Then lets see how their 'survival of the Fittest' Capitalistic Orgy Works to save their asses.Then you TELL them that they will not only be prosecuting the CEO's but all in Political office who aided them in this Economic treason. You TELL Them they will be exposed for THEIR long standing criminality which contributed to this Economic Hostile takeover of the American Way of Life- EVery newspaper, every talk show, Every Blog will be used to Reveal Who they have been working to Aid & Comfort in those Corner Offices.
Adn there a few 'Blue Dogs' (Repug LAP dogs) who should get the same 'Offer they Can't Refuse'!
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Posted by: Newsguy on Feb 9, 2009 6:51 AM
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Harry Reid is like that Scarecrow. If he only had a brain.
Open Letter to Harry Reid:
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 9, 2009 9:16 AM
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Down here,in the real world, we knew who was going to get 'paid'...the Controlist Jerks who's free market bullshit created this so-called 'financial crisis'. It's the lower incomes and fixed incomes that really have the financial crisis. But if you talk about supporting the poor,they call you a socialist or a marxist. Not someone that's making a level headed choice for the good of the Nation.
They don't hail you as a Hero of the Common People. No not at all. You're painted out to be the person that will destablize the American Way. Which is to say, We'd be leveling the playing field. An anathma to those who feel their hoarding wealth gives them power.
The financial 'smoke-screen' is fooling no one. The People know this governance doesn't support them.So what if the President's Father was a goatherder,that doesn't mean he's 'in touch' with his 'meager living people'. Big O grew up as a middleclass 'Hawaiian' where it costs so much to live you'd be nearly upper class if you were on the mainland. The middle class west Kansas grandparents was a smoke-screen too. If Big O grew up in redneck west Kansas instead of multi-racial Hawaii,he'd be a much different Barack.
So the Democrats bartered away a lot of stimulus goodies for the poor and lower income.
The middle class,the imaginary middle class,getS a little,the rich,as expected get the most.
There's only one way to get Washington to get their focus on shoring up the right part of the social ladder and that would be to invoke OUR RIGHT to set they payscale. Most Aericans are tired of millionaire politicians kissing ever richer asses and are aiding them to keep most of the wealth, so let's even it up ourselves and make a public decree,which we can, and make all politicians pay...$5 an hour.
Let's demand the reinstitution of the 91% taxbracket for those multi-millionaire incomes.
How about the novel idea of not fighting wars
with 'created enemies'. That may cause the layoffs of thousands of poeple that make 'killing toys' but wouldn't that make us look like a Peaceful Nation. At the Top Levels..we're not and we don't intend to be.
What do I think the bailout bullshit is covering up?? I'll tell you. I too had a lot of hope that Big O was going to be something other than just another politician. The proof that I was looking for was the removal of the power of a sitting President to rain down nukes on anyone they chose to call 'Terrorist'.
He didn't do that. Our system was created to put barriers to putting that kind of killing power into the hands of a single person. We seem to have forgotten that no matter how level headed any person may seem today,tomorrow they could snap and turn the globe into a cinder. Until we get that knid of restraint on the Oval Office we need to watch how the money flows from us to their system.
Maybe the 150 something million their budget,stimulus smokescreen bullshit is really affecting should just kind of 'show up' in DC,when the weather's nicer,say Mother's Day and have a good old fashioned non-violent civilly disobedient sit in until those fools get it right.
The rest of the World is rioting over their corrupted governments that bled them dry economically too. It's not that American's aren't willing to challange the system,we're just slow to anger.
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We have the advantage of knowing what to expect from Neanderthals in the Republican Party. They are thus “reliable.”
As for our Democratic leaders, especially those in the U.S. Senate, we trust them at our peril.
True progressive transformation of our nation must be driven from the grassroots up, not from the top down by corporate-business-as-usual career politicians.
Electing Obama was the easy part. The real work begins today, and again tomorrow, and again each new day.
We must stay engaged, take names, and never give up. Let’s redouble our efforts.
We must keep our friends close, our enemy closer, and our Democratic leaders closest.
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Posted by: madmax427 on Feb 9, 2009 10:36 AM
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KILLING Education funding IS the Purpose because If You are too stupid to understand what is happening to You, THEY Win! IF YOU are too stupid to figure out the "system" THEY WIN! IF You are too stupid to fight for Your Rights & Figure out They don't CARE about YOU, THEY WIN! IF YOU are too Stupid to figure out the "system" is BROKEN, THEY WIN!
IF You cannot see that Federalizing the FED can STOP the control over Us & are MONEY, THEY WIN! IF the Fed were a FEDERAL Operation, MONEY could NOT be used as a HAMMER to SCREW Us! OR, We could ALL just start playing Russian Reulette with semi automatic weapons & SAVE 'Them" a whole bunch of trouble!
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Posted by: Signreader on Feb 10, 2009 11:49 PM
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YOU ARE BARKING AT THE WRONG TREES!
HOW MANY JOBS AND FOR HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING HERE? AMERICA'S SOUL HAS BEEN SOLD BY OUR PRESIDENTS.. REPUBS AND DEMS BOTH.... TO THE ZIONIST MONEY CHANGERS...WHO SHIPPED THE VALUE ADDED WORK TO CHINA AND INDIA TO TEACH THE FAT DUMB AND HAPPY AMERICANS A LESSON OF HARD AND DILIGENT WORK... DON'T BELIEVE GO LOOK AT THE PRODUCT SOLD IN YOUR BIG BOX STORES...JUST HOW MANY GADGETS ARE AMERICAN MADE...COMPUTERS TV ANY THING POTABLE ..DON'T GO TO PRODUCE SECTION THAT MIGHT BLOW YOUR MIND FISH AND GARLIC COMING FROM CHINA!! THE AMERICANS KNOW HOW TO BOMB DEFENSELESS COUNTRIES TO KEEP PEOPLE AFRAID OF AMERICAN AIR MIGHT BUT ECONOMICALLY WE ARE COWARDS WANT TO LIVE OFF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY...POLITICIANS TAKE EVERY BODY'S MONEY AND THEY LIE AND CHEAT! WOULD LIKE TO SEE BIG "O" DECLARE THAT ALL THOSE WHO CREATED THIS MESS BE PROSECUTED THEN WILL TRUST HIM WITH MY CHILDREN MONEY....WHY AMERICANS WERE SO COMFORTABLY LIVING OFF THE CHINESE FUNDING OF US FEDERAL BUDGET, IT WAS OK TO PLAY THE HOUSING PYRAMID WITH CHINESE AND EUROPEAN MONEY TILL THE BOTTOM FELL OFF....BIG GOT THE CAMPAIGN FUNDS FROM THOSE FINANCIAL WIZARDS OF ZIONIST WALL STREET....HE IS NO SAINT OR MESSIAH...HE COLLECTED 3/4 OF A BILLION $ AND IT IS ABOUT THE PAYBACK IN SOME FASHION!
NOT THE SAME AMERICA THAT WE CAN TRUST WITH SUCH LARGE BORROW AND SPEND PLAN....WITH A SIMPLE CALCULATION IF DIVIDE THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF THE STIMULI BY THE UNEMPLOYED THEN EVERY ONE SHOULD BE GETTING QUARTER OF MILLION DOLLARS!
NOW THINK ABOUT THE MIDDLE MEN...
WHAT IS HAPPENING? WITHOUT BUILDING ANY FACTORIES... HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CREATE PERMANENT JOBS THAT PAY GOOD ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THE AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING...THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY LEFT IN WASHINGTON; BUSH GOT AWAY WITH MURDER AND NOW IT IS BIG O's TURN THE MONEY WILL BE MADE BY THE WELL CONNECTED GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS WHEN THE ROADS & BRIDGES TO NOWHERE ARE FINISHED THE MONEY IS GONE AND THE TAX PAYER WILL BE STUCK IF THERE WILL ANY LEFT......i M DONE WITH MY TWO CENTS.....
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Posted by: Signreader on Feb 11, 2009 12:17 AM
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YOU ARE BARKING AT THE WRONG TREES! HERE ARE MY TWO CENTS...........
HOW MANY JOBS AND FOR HOW LONG ARE WE TALKING HERE? AMERICA'S SOUL HAS BEEN SOLD BY OUR PRESIDENTS.. REPUBS AND DEMS BOTH SINCE THE FIRST SECRET VISIT OF HENRY K.. TO CHINA.... TO THE ZIONIST MONEY CHANGERS AND THE CAPITALISTS...WHO SHIPPED THE AMERICAN VALUE ADDED WORK TO CHINA AND THEN TO INDIA AND OTHER SWEATSHOP COUNTRIES IN ORDER TO TEACH THE FAT DUMB AND HAPPY AMERICANS A LESSON OF DILIGENT WORK...IT NEVER HAPPENED EVER IN THE INDUSTRIAL HISTORY TO GIVE THE TECHNOLOGY AWAY SO FREELY!!!
DON'T BELIEVE GO LOOK AT THE PRODUCTS SOLD IN YOUR BIG BOX STORES...JUST COUNT HOW MANY GADGETS ARE AMERICAN MADE...COMPUTERS TVs ANY THING ELECTRONIC.. ANY THING POTABLE ..DON'T GO TO PRODUCE SECTION THAT MIGHT BLOW YOUR MIND... FISH AND GARLIC COMING FROM CHINA!!
THE AMERICANS KNOW HOW TO BOMB DEFENSELESS AFGHANIS AND IRAQI TO KEEP PEOPLE AFRAID OF AMERICAN AIR MIGHT BUT ECONOMICALLY WE ARE COWARDS CUZ IT IS CHINESE MONEY WE WANT TO LIVE OFF...POLITICIANS TAKE EVERY BODY'S MONEY AND THEY LIE AND CHEAT!THE FEDS ARE CREATING DOLLARS OUT OF THIN AIR BY THE TRUCK LOADS...THEY DID THAT TO FUND BUSH'S WAR OBAMA WAS WATCHING IT WITH THE REST OF THE REPUBS SO WHAT GIVES....THE CROOKS ARE ALWAYS SMARTER THAN THE POLITICIANS AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THE TAX PAYER....I PLAN NOT PAY ANY MORE TAXES TO THESE BASTARDS AND RETIRE...
WOULD LIKE TO SEE BIG "O" DECLARE THAT ALL THOSE WHO CREATED THIS BANKING MESS BE PROSECUTED THEN WILL TRUST HIM WITH MY CHILDREN MONEY... BUT FAT CHANCE HIS TREASURY MAN DIDN'T WANT PAY TAXES EITHER.WHY AMERICANS WERE SO COMFORTABLY LIVING OFF THE CHINESE FUNDING OF US FEDERAL BUDGET.... IT WAS OK TO PLAY THE HOUSING PYRAMID WITH CHINESE AND EUROPEAN MONEY TILL THE BOTTOM FELL OFF....BIG GOT THE CAMPAIGN FUNDS FROM THOSE FINANCIAL WIZARDS OF ZIONIST WALL STREET....HE IS NO SAINT OR MESSIAH...HE COLLECTED 3/4 OF A BILLION $ AND IT IS ABOUT THE PAYBACK TIME IN SOME FASHION!
IT NOT THE SAME AMERICA THAT WE CAN TRUST WITH SUCH LARGE BORROW AND SPEND PLAN....WITH A SIMPLE CALCULATION IF DIVIDE THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF THE STIMULI BY THE UNEMPLOYED THEN EVERY ONE SHOULD BE GETTING QUARTER OF MILLION DOLLARS! WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A LIFE SAVING AMOUNTS FOR A REGULAR WORKER...
WHAT IS HAPPENING?
WITHOUT BUILDING ANY FACTORIES... HOW ARE THEY GOING TO CREATE PERMANENT JOBS THAT PAY GOOD ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THE AMERICAN STANDARD OF LIVING...
THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY LEFT IN WASHINGTON! BUSH GOT AWAY WITH MURDER AND NOW IT IS BIG O's TURN TO SQUANDER THE MONEY WILL BE MADE BY THE WELL CONNECTED GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS....AFTER THE ROADS & BRIDGES TO NOWHERE ARE FINISHED THE MONEY IS GONE AND THE TAX PAYER WILL BE STUCK IF THEY WILL ANY AROUND ...... DONE WITH MY TWO CENTS.....
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