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The Financial Crisis Is Driving Hordes of Americans to Suicide
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The body count is still rising. For months on end, marked by bankruptcies, foreclosures, evictions, and layoffs, the economic meltdown has taken a heavy toll on Americans. In response, a range of extreme acts including suicide, self-inflicted injury, murder, and arson have hit the local news. By October 2008, an analysis of press reports nationwide indicated that an epidemic of tragedies spurred by the financial crisis had already spread from Pasadena, California, to Taunton, Massachusetts, from Roseville, Minnesota, to Ocala, Florida.
In the three months since, the pain has been migrating upwards. A growing number of the world's rich have garnered headlines for high profile, financially-motivated suicides. Take the New Zealand-born "millionaire financier" who leapt in front of an express train in Great Britain or the "German tycoon" who did much the same in his homeland. These have, with increasing regularity, hit front pages around the world. An example would be New York-based money manager René-Thierry Magnon de la Villehuchet, who slashed his wrists after he "lost more than $1 billion of client money, including much, if not all, of his own family's fortune." In the end, he was yet another victim of financial swindler Bernard Madoff's $50 billion Ponzi scheme.
An unknown but rising number of less wealthy but distinctly well-off workers in the financial field have also killed themselves as a result of the economic crisis -- with less press coverage. Take, for instance, a 51-year-old former analyst at Bear Stearns. Learning that he would be laid off after JPMorgan Chase took over his failed employer, he "threw himself out of the window" of his 29th-floor apartment in Fort Lee, New Jersey. Or consider the 52-year-old commercial real estate broker from suburban Chicago who "took his life in a wildlife preserve" just "a month after he publicly worried over a challenging market," or the 50-year-old "managing partner at Leeward Investments" from San Carlos, California, who got wiped out "in the markets" and "suffocated himself to death."
Beverly Hills clinical psychologist Leslie Seppinni caught something of our moment when she told Forbes magazine that this was "the first time in her 18-year career that businessmen are calling her with suicidal impulses over their financial state." In the last three months, alone, "she has intervened in at least 14 cases of men seriously considering taking their lives." Seppinni offered this observation: "They feel guilt and shame because they think they should have known what was coming with the market or they should have pulled out faster."
Still, it's mostly on Main Street, not Wall Street, that people are being driven to once unthinkable extremes. And while it's always impossible to know the myriad factors, including deeply personal ones, that contribute to drastic acts, violent or otherwise, many of those recently reported are undoubtedly tied, at least in part, to the way the bottom seems to be falling out of the economy.
As a result, reports of people driven to anything from armed robbery to financially-motivated suicide in response to new fiscal realities continue to bubble to the surface. And since only a certain percentage of such acts receive media coverage, the drumbeat of what is being reported definitely qualifies as startling.
Breaking the Bank
In September 2008, a 23-year-old woman from West Norriton, Pennsylvania, robbed a bank, police reported, to pay her rent. According to East Norriton Detective Sgt. Peter Mastrocola, "She said that the reason that she went to PNC Bank and committed the robbery was because she was two months behind in her rent and she was going to be evicted." In fact, after stealing $1,410, the young woman reportedly told police that she "took the cash from the robbery and went to another bank where she purchased a cashier's check for $1,410 made payable to Westover Village Apartments…"
The next month, in Northampton, Pennsylvania, a 49-year-old woman reportedly robbed a bank and, just 18 minutes later, "arrived at a check-cashing business and arranged for several money orders -- totaling $1,090 -- to pay a portion of the rent she owed her landlord." According to court papers, a "confidential informant" told police the woman had confided that "she was going to rob the bank to satisfy about $1,800 in back rent." The police reported that she was "in the process of being evicted."
This, however, is no Keystone State phenomenon. As the Los Angeles Times recently reported, "Another sign of the bad economic times… [b]ank robberies, which had been declining for years, rose in 2008 in Southern California… [by] 22% compared to 2007." In Orange County, the spike was especially acute, a jump of 41% to 145 robberies. Similarly, Inland Empire News Radio reported that authorities attributed a 13% rise in bank robberies in Riverside and San Bernardino counties to a "poor economy."
"We've certainly seen a rise in bank robberies across the country particularly in our metropolitan areas," FBI Special Agent Scott Wilson recently pointed out. "The bank robbery rate has risen dramatically."
Last year, according to the New York City Police Department, bank robberies in that city jumped to more than 430, a 54% rise over 2007. On December 29th alone, CNN noted, "robbers targeted five banks in the Big Apple, some striking in broad daylight and near famous landmarks." Interviewed by the New York Times, a customer in one of the robbed banks put the obvious into words: "It makes me think that the recession is making people go to extreme measures." Illinois Wesleyan University Economics Professor Mike Seeborg agrees. Commenting on a similar local spike in crime, he told a Central Illinois TV station, "There's a clear linkage nationwide that when the economy is in bad shape, when unemployment begins to increase, if people lose their jobs and output falls, that crimes against property especially increase."
Suicidal Tendencies
At least 33 people chose to commit suicide in national parks in 2008. And there seemed to be an economic component to at least some of the cases. For example, an Associated Press report noted that a "49-year-old builder blamed the economy in a note he left for his ex-wife and attorney before killing himself at the edge of the woods at Georgia's Kennesaw Mountain National Battlefield Park." Similarly, in October, Bruce J. Colburn, a "[f]reshly unemployed, former business executive" from Reading, Pennsylvania, traveled to Montana's scenic Glacier National Park where "he shot himself in the chest with a handgun, according to park officials."
Others stayed closer to home.
On October 14, 2008, a woman in Bogart, Georgia, was "supposed to go to court for an eviction hearing." Instead, she called the police and informed them that she was thinking of killing herself. Not long afterward, she shot herself in the head. On October 29th, a 47-year-old man from Blount County, Tennessee, "killed himself when sheriff's deputies tried to evict him from his rented home." The next month, according to Mike Witzky, the executive director of the Mental Health and Recovery Board in Union County, Ohio, two local men committed suicide due to financial problems, while another failed in his attempt.
On December 5, 2008, Ricky Guseman of West Palm Beach, Florida, was to be evicted. Instead, local officials told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, he "barricaded himself in a mobile home… set the place on fire and then shot himself in the head with a shotgun."
In December, coroner's investigators in Kern County, California, revealed that they were "seeing a wave of people committing suicide because of financial stress," a 5-10% increase over 2007.
An analysis of 2008 "death reports" in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, by local ABC television affiliate WISN-TV found "[f]inancial pressure in a difficult economy has led to desperate measures." Of 108 suicides -- a 20% jump over any of the last three years -- at least 25% of the victims "were struggling financially." For example, Wauwatosa resident Tom Brisch, a married father of two, fell on hard times after his wife of 20 years, Sherry, lost her job. At the same time, his job as a commission-only Ford car salesman fell victim to the sluggish auto market. As Sherry summed the situation up after his suicide, "[T]he economic picture with a kid going to college, another one starting high school... was pretty grim and we were struggling." She returned home one day to find that her husband had hanged himself. In his shirt pocket was a suicide note in which "he asked for forgiveness and wrote that he could not get it together to provide for them."
WISN-TV uncovered a host of similar tragedies including:
* A 21-year-old Milwaukee man who shot himself in the face after "he ran out of unemployment [insurance]."
* A 43-year-old West Allis man who hanged himself in his basement with a belt. "[T]he mortgage payments are behind," his girlfriend told the police. "There are astronomical medical bills."
* A 40-year-old Milwaukee woman who overdosed after having "financial problems."
* A 24-year-old Milwaukee man, "fired from his job three weeks before," who suffocated himself with Saran Wrap.
* And a 38-year-old Milwaukee man who shot himself in the head. He'd lost his job six weeks earlier.
In January, less than an hour's drive south of Milwaukee, 37-year-old Staci Paul's car was pulled from Lake Michigan, but they couldn't find the body of the Kenosha, Wisconsin, woman. As an article in the Kenosha News noted, however, friends "said they knew things hadn't been easy for Paul. A single mother, she worked hard to find jobs and as the economy worsened, friends speculated, Paul might have run into some financial trouble. Court records also show Paul had been evicted from her home in October."
Distress Signals
Paul apparently felt she had to deal with her problems on her own. Others, however, have called for help. According to a January 9th report in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, local police received a phone call concerning a 64-year-old resident of Westview, Pennsylvania, who was "apparently distraught over losing his house." When they arrived at the home, they found him "sitting in a lawn chair in his driveway with a rifle under his chin." He was later taken into custody and sent to a psychiatric clinic for "evaluation."
Increasing numbers of desperate souls have also called the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, which logged a record 568,437 calls in 2008. (There were only 412,768 such calls the previous year.) Similarly, a recent investigation by USA Today's Marilyn Elias found that suicide hotlines in Dallas, Pittsburgh, suburban San Francisco, Hyattsville (Maryland), Georgia, Delaware, and Detroit have all reported "increases in callers since the economy slid." The report added:
"In Boston, more hotline callers with mental health problems mention job losses, evictions or fear that they'll lose their homes, says Roberta Hurtig, executive director at Samaritans Inc. [a not-for-profit volunteer organization dedicated to reducing the incidence of suicide.] In Kalamazoo, Mich[igan], and other locales, callers with mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder say loss of insurance and cutbacks in public health programs are preventing them from getting medications."At the Gary, Ind[iana], Crisis Center, suicidal callers with economic worries are increasing, and their depression is more severe, says Willie Perry, program coordinator for the hotline."
In Franklin County, Ohio, suicide hot line volunteers are "logging more calls from people in financial distress, says Mary Brennen-Hofmann, coordinator of suicide-prevention services at North Central Mental Health Services in Columbus." She continued, "We have seen a lot more calls dealing with financial problems, evictions, foreclosures and job loss."
Similarly, the Hopeline of North Carolina Inc. in Raleigh saw a 50% jump in calls in October and November. "We get calls from people who are suicidal because the stock market is down," said executive director Courtney Atwood. "They have lost money and are not able to provide for their family."
In Los Angeles, calls to the city's "busiest suicide hot line" increased by as much as 60% last year. "A year ago, many of the calls we would get were from people with mental illnesses," commented Sandri Kramer, the program director of the center that operates the hot line. "Now many of the calls are from people who have lost their home, or their job, or who still have a job but can't meet the cost of living."
Domestic Disturbances
Not surprisingly, the economic meltdown has also strained marriages and, according to experts, is contributing to a rise in domestic violence. Retha Fielding, a spokeswoman for the National Domestic Violence Hotline, notes that calls increased 18% between October 2007 and October 2008 and attributes the spike to the poor economy. "It is bringing increased stress and violence into the home. Domestic violence is about control. If you lose your job, that's control you don't have, so you may want to have more control at home."
Sometimes economically exacerbated violence can turn deadly.
On December 9th, for example, 59-year-old Thomas Garrett of Midwest City, Oklahoma, murdered his wife. According to Midwest City Police Chief Brandon Clabes, "Garrett told officers he shot his wife because he didn't know how to explain that they were evicted from their home while she was in the hospital." He apparently planned to kill himself too, but was stopped by the police.
Thirty-one-year-old Eryn Allegra had lost her home as well as her job, and had, according to press accounts, been thinking about suicide for weeks. On Christmas day, the Port St. Lucie, Florida, resident reportedly checked into a hotel, gave her 8-year-old son over-the-counter medicine to put him to sleep, and then smothered him. She subsequently slit her own wrists in a failed suicide attempt.
Noting a man's pickup truck parked in his driveway at a time when he was normally at work, neighbors in an "upscale neighborhood" in Manteca, Georgia, entered his home which a bank had recently approved for a short sale. (A short sale often takes place when a buyer in default is trying to avoid foreclosure.) According to the Manteca Bulletin, they found him "lying in the foyer of the home… dead of a gunshot wound." Arriving at the scene soon after, police discovered the body of his wife nearby "and located a firearm near the two bodies."
On January 11th, Pinole, California police responding to a domestic disturbance call found 43-year-old Kimberly Petretti sitting on the curb in front of the home. She was being evicted that morning. Inside the house, which "showed no signs of a preparation for the move," they found the woman's mother, 62-year-old Claudia Petretti, dead -- shot in the head with an assault rifle. According to Deputy District Attorney Harold Jewett, a two-page letter on the scene indicated a murder-suicide plan linked to the family's financial difficulties. "It was a significant event in their lives that may have precipitated this tragic and desperate act," he said.
Last October, a man in Los Angeles, beset by financial troubles, shot his wife, mother-in-law, and three sons before turning the gun on himself. An eerily similar scene replayed itself this week, when another Los Angeles resident apparently killed his wife and five children -- an 8-year-old girl, twin 5-year-old girls, and twin 2-year-old boys -- before faxing a letter to a local television station and then killing himself. "This was a financial and job-related issue that led to the slayings," Deputy Chief Kenneth Garner http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/4-children-moth.htmlsaid. "In these tough economic times, there are other options. In my 32 years, I've never seen anything like this."
As the World Burns
On December 15th, a 41-year-old Dubuque, Iowa man "used liquid pre-shave to set his apartment on fire because he thought he was going to be evicted."
On December 21st, a 31-year-old woman who had been evicted from her Orange Park, Florida, apartment, "started a weekend fire that caused an estimated $500,000 in damage" to the complex that was her former home. That same day, a woman in St. Augustine, Florida, "was charged with arson… after vacating a house she was evicted from that was later found burning."
On January 5, 2009, Bobby Crigler, the property manager for Holly Street Apartments in Fayetteville, Arkansas, said, "I went over and had a confrontation with [tenants about an eviction notice], and they got belligerent." After that, he sent the property's maintenance man, his son, 49-year-old Kent Crigler, to change the locks at another tenant's apartment. When friends of the tenant facing eviction spotted Kent, they assumed, according to Bobby, that he was there to evict their buddy. They set upon Kent, punching and kicking the father of four to death, according to a report in the Northwest Arkansas Times.
Generally, however, if you weren't a multimillionaire intent on suicide, what you did to your house, your husband, your wife, your child, your bank, your neighbors, your landlord, or yourself remained a distinctly local story, a passing moment in the neighborhood gazette or a regional paper. And for the range of such acts, unlike sports statistics, there are no centralized databases toting up and keeping score. Every now and then, though, a spectacular act of extreme desperation makes it out of the neighborhood and into the national news.
One of these occurred this January, although the media generally played it as a sensational screwball story rather than another extreme act stemming from the economic crisis. In December, Marcus Schrenker, a money manager and sometime stunt pilot, penned a letter that read, in part: "It needs to be known that I am financially insolvent… I am intending on filing bankruptcy in 2009 should my financial conditions continue to deteriorate." They did.
As the Indiana investment adviser grew more desperate to escape mounting financial difficulties and legal issues stemming from accusations of investor fraud, he reportedly hatched a plan that was splashed all over national television as it unfolded. According to news reports, he staged a Hollywood-style getaway from his rapidly deteriorating life, complete with a fake mid-air mayday call, a parachute jump over Alabama, and a faked death from a plane he put on autopilot that crashed in a swamp near a residential area in the Florida Panhandle. Schrenker then raced away on a carefully pre-stashed motorcycle, before being discovered by federal marshals just after he had slashed his wrists at a Florida campsite. He recently pleaded not guilty in federal court to charges that he willfully destroyed an aircraft and made a fake distress call.
Going to Extremes
Across the United States, people have been reacting to dire circumstances with extreme acts, including murder, suicide and suicide attempts, self-inflicted injury, bank robberies, flights from the law, and arson, as well as resistance to eviction and armed self-defense. And yet, while various bailout schemes have been introduced and implemented for banks and giant corporations, no significant plans have been outlined or introduced into public debate, let alone implemented by Washington, to take strong measures to combat the dire circumstances affecting ordinary Americans.
There has been next to no talk of debt or mortgage forgiveness, or of an enhanced and massively bulked-up version of the Nixonian guaranteed income plan (which would pay stipends to the neediest), or of buying up and handing over the glut of homes on the market, with adequate fix-up funds, to the homeless, or of any significant gesture toward even the most modest redistributions of wealth. Until then, for many, hope will be nothing but a slogan, the body count will rise, and Americans will undoubtedly continue going to extremes.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Jan 29, 2009 12:30 AM
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The above poster is correct that people need to stop being so implosive in their reactions to these hardships. We need to be more explosive, like targeting executives with violence. If we only kill ourselves, we're just taking the route to end our troubles that's most convenient for the powers that be. They'd much prefer that we turn inward and destroy ourselves than go after them.
This is the onset of a cruel chapter of human history. There's a lot more suffering to come. Many reading these threads will find themselves economically destroyed this year; many may end up homeless, anomic, permanently scarred, and persecuted by authorities that want to keep their misery out of the public view.
Start preparing yourself psychologically for the worst. If your life is swept up in this destructive tide and you can control little else, at least you might be able to exercise some control over your mind, if you don't go insane. Accept that life is suffering and it's best to desire as little as possible. Lower your expectations as a shield against disappointment, which will be the new zeitgeist.
The economy is is free fall, nothing can save it, and while Obama's plan is the most compassionate economic plan proffered by a president since Lyndon Johnson, it cannot stop the collapse that is already set in motion.
Change is here already. It's a change to a much lower material standard of living, which in the very long term may be a good thing, but in the interim will be brutal.
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Posted by: Alan8 on Jan 29, 2009 1:16 AM
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Which is why we shouldn't forget that the Democrats let the whole Republican agenda just happen over the last eight years. It only takes one senator to filibuster.
Looking at www.opensecrets.org, we can see that the Democrats are financed by the same corporate interests that finance the Republicans. Neither party will give us single-payer health care, for example, because it would hurt the profits of the insurance and pharmaceutical corporations that finance them.
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Look around you we have grocery stores brimming with food and people down the street at a food pantry because they don't have enough money. Food
prices are rising despite a sinking economy. Do you really believe this is a coincidence? The corporatocracy is ruining our environment.Waging wars that have no end in sight. Consolidation is a
step towards dictatorship. Control of the media and the implementation of electronic control of banking and RFID tags for identification are also in use. They will track you and by electronics deny you access to basic needs if you are not under their control. Then it will be too late.
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Posted by: the fairness fella on Jan 29, 2009 2:41 AM
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In some of the early posts we talked of the great depression she lived through.
Though the times were very hard, Olive remembered them as not unhappy times. People were closer to basics then and so when they lost jobs, it was not such a big step to turn the garden into a veggie patch, to start making their own clothes, and hunting their own meat, mostly rabbits.
Cars did not drain the family purse of 20% because people rode bikes, and were healthier and happier for it.
People helped each other lot too, providing free accomodation for relatives or neighbors, lending a bike, sharing a job. There were many evictions of course and and groups of neighbors who stopped those evictions.
There was a politician, who became a God, Jack Lang, who stopped the evictions
Many landlords and banks, on their own bat, decided that it was better to leave people in their homes, knowing the properties would be protected rather than having them empty and vandalized.
A surprising number of people paid back every cent they owed when the depression was over.
I wonder if it's not time for those who are worried, who can see trouble ahead, to check out books on the Great Depression, and see how they did it back then.
Olive and I, here in Australia, discussed David Potts book, The Myth of the Great Depression. By myth, David meant that it was not all doom and gloom, and for this rather rosy view, he got flack from some reviewers. But Olive found him spot on.
Olive's blog is still up. www.allaboutolive.com.au. Go to the archive for July 2007. At the very least, this feisty old lady will cheer you up with news of the simple life.
We chortled over the fact that, in line with keeping your own hen house, etc. One depression battler coined the phrase, making hens meet.
Cuba too, is a model. When the Russians cut Cuba's oil off in the early nineties, the Cubans had to re invent their economy and the cities became full of market gardens.
There are films about this, showing great resilience and cheerfulness on the part of the Cubans.
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Posted by: maxfactor on Jan 29, 2009 3:39 AM
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The US is long overdue for a revolution and some guillotining. Why do we prop up large businesses. Everybody can do without vampires.
And if you think about suicide - take a manager with you. Make a statement, make it meaningful!
Let them live the fear that they brought onto others.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 29, 2009 3:45 AM
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You see? America is still No 1 in some things.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jan 29, 2009 5:00 AM
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Newly installed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner issued new rules Tuesday restricting contacts with lobbyists – and then hired one to be his top aide.
Mark Patterson, a former advocate for Goldman Sachs, will serve as chief of staff to Geithner as the Treasury Department revamps the Wall Street bailout program that sent an infusion of cash to his former employer.
Patterson’s appointment marks the second time in President Barack Obama’s first week in office that the administration has had to explain how it’s complying with its own ethics rules as it hires a bevy of Washington insiders for administration jobs.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 29, 2009 5:13 AM
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Yet our federal health agencies supported by mainstream media reporting have us worried about "peanut butter"(7 deaths in elderly and already sick people) Works as wonderful diversion from reality keeping a lid on the rage of the public about poverty.
I am for safe food but I know what we need to focus on and it isn't peanut butter or bird flu for that matter.
My own proposed "health care plan" for our times is meaningful,safe,healthy,secure JOBS for all able adult Americans!
Now that is a good RX from me
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: taxidriver on Jan 29, 2009 5:12 AM
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It's partly our society too--our emphasis on "success" through "rugged individualism," and the idea that if you fail it's somehow your fault--that you're the loser.
We lack community spirit--so many people are friendless today, not just penniless.
The ethos of our society needs to change--we've tried Darwinian capitalism and "shop to you drop," and that's not working ...
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Posted by: charles000 on Jan 29, 2009 5:26 AM
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This was before the infamous Bernie Madoff $50 billion investment scam made the headlines, before the daily reports of 100s of thousands of jobs disappearing, before the $750 billion banking system bailout . . .
What many, including myself are experiencing is a profound loss of trust or faith, in anything.
Essentially everything we have ever been told to believe in has turned out to be bogus, a lie, a gigantic Ponzi scheme designed to misguide the public for extremely short sided, self absorbed gain.
There are only so many foreclosures, bank failures, bogus wars, sleazy corporate CEOs, businesses shutting down, pension and retirement funds disappearing that people can take, before they get pushed to an edge, the edge of no return.
Even as I am composing this comment, there are countless millions of kids in high school, suspended in limbo with no idea of how they will ever be able to afford even the most modestly priced college education, knowing that their future children will be paying for the government money that has already been borrowed against their future.
Most of the institutions we have been told to believe in, such as social security, medicare, privately funded retirement programs, and so on will not even exist in their future lives, at least not in their current form.
For people in their mid-50s and older today, finding any kind of a job, even the most minimal part time employment, is essentially impossible. These are the people who have already lost everything, their 401ks are essentially worthless, their home, even if they are still in it, has dropped 50% or more in value, and they can't borrow enough money to even meet the most basic of life support.
I can't even begin to imagine what elderly folks, perhaps in their 70s and beyond, who are in assisted living situations requiring specialized medical care and so on must be facing.
This is not psycho-babble fluffy talk, or some sort of theoretical abstract academic concept . . . this is real life, as it being experienced today.
Perhaps for some, suicide really does begin to look like an acceptable option for consideration. The traditional models of family and local community support infrastructure that once served as the safety net for retirees and elderly with special needs has all but disappeared in many areas.
I don't say this to be flippant or make some sort of dramatic statement, but as a practical assessment of the phenomena that we are all witnessing.
Where is the moral or ethical compass pointing to in all of this? I don't think anyone can claim such authority or wisdom. But the one thing I would like to point to at this juncture is this - we all have to be careful in our judgements of others, as the commonly referred to quote suggest, "be it but for the grace of God walk I".
We are all now facing a challenge that hasn't been experienced since the days of the Great Depression and the "dust bowl" of the 1930s.
In short, the party's over, the days of absurdly big lifestyle and over the top bling are giving way to a wakeup call, the real world is beckoning, and we have to recognize such.
In these conditions, some may be young and determined enough to address these challenges head on, and navigate a course through the rough waters ahead.
For others. however, the range of options available may be extremely limited, and the lifeboats that once seemed within reach under such circumstances simply don't exist in current times.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 29, 2009 6:29 AM
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I am advising that anyone purchasing from these corporations is subject to find me behind them with a lit welding torch up your intestines.
Convincing corporations that layoffs are their suicides, not ours, is one possible answer.
Letting corporate management know that we who are employed will refuse to purchase from these companies is one strategy. I suspect that en-masse writing campaigns designed to destroy the profits specifically derived from layoffs may accomplish more than big-shot or bureaucrat bailouts will. Anyone else on for this tactic? Any more ideas out there to penalize these corporate sharks and piranhas?
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Posted by: colleenwhalen on Jan 29, 2009 6:54 AM
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Your article failed to document any quantitative or qualitative INCREASE in the percentage of suicides since the economy rode off the rails.
There have ALWAYS been Americans committing suicide, robbing banks - being driven to desperate measures because of personal problems in their lives.
Alternet failed to back up their hypothesis by publishing statistics from mental health experts or coroners records.
Alternet is one of the utterly sloppiest sources of news I've ever seen in my life. Poorly researched, relying on innuendo, unformed hypothesis and intern material type of reporting.
If this is what allegedly passes for "alternative, indie, progressive media" then we are in deep deep doo-doo.
Yesterday an article was published about British men getting breast reduction surgery. A few weeks a rubbish article was published about the size of Michelle Obama's fanny and big African American female buttocks. Alternet on a daily basis keeps hammering away insisting Sarah Palin is some sort of rising star and "power broker" in the GOP - get over it, she's a national joke.
I am SO fed up with your slobering over Rush Lumbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly - you GIVE them power by reporting on them on a daily basis. Ignore them and let them settle like dust.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 29, 2009 6:56 AM
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Measuring yourself by monetary values (an ethic that advertising thrives on) is as old as the Protestant Ethic where individuals thought that the evidence for one's heavenly destiny in the next life was prosperity in this life.
We have chosen political leadership who identify the American Way of Life with wealth rather than freedom for social change. So long as everything is for sale, the pathos of people who treat themselves as disposable will continue.
In fact, while recent times see an increase, this pattern is well established among us. Suicide is the biggest killer of our youth. Ours remains a violent alienated society. What is worse is that we accept it as normal.
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Posted by: ellie on Jan 29, 2009 7:07 AM
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sure, anomie and money withdrawl is a horrobible thing to go through, but how about turning things 180' around.... let's look at the strength on the other side... the worst thing 'they' can do is kill you, but at least we'd all go down for a reason and it won't be 'their' $$... we don't have debtor prisons anymore, and jail means a roof and meals no matter what...
the fear factor of being broke is being ramped up because the powerful want us to be afraid of having nothing to spend, so why not cut out the middleman and we turn our backs on them...
first off, we are in this financial mess because the powers that be refuse to share, so why should we allow them to win...
what has been recently seen are small grassroots movement, still splintered around the country that are turning their back on banks and corporations, creating alternative solutions and not sharing with the power elite...
movements like property take overs by small group force when the foreclosure auction produces no takers (read about several families who have done this and have actually moved into better neighborhoods... there aren't enough cops to stop it in some areas), food banks and meal sharing are growing like food co-ops used to be... when it gets warmer, plans for community gardens in abandoned areas...
we'll be ok if we all work with each other... sound crazy, but so far no other plans have worked... we just create alternative social systems to replace the ones we know are broken... no, not everyone is going to get what they want, but we should be able to meet everyone's basic needs...
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Some did, some do...... but hordes?
I don't need a sensationalized tabloid blurb to read an article. Rip Tragle
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Posted by: BST on Jan 29, 2009 8:29 AM
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I speak as a retiree (working part-time here and there again where I can find work -- which is very difficult -- having lost much of my savings and watching my home worth plummet over the past two months.)
I refuse, refuse to be cowed or bent by this period of crisis and dismay. My life is too important to give it up over the stupidity, gross greed and self-entitlement that has been displayed by so many money managers etc.
May those who are deeply distressed and depressed REACH OUT for help. There is help for those who are hurting. Call Samaritans or another crisis line, rent out a room in your home, ask creditors if you can make smaller payments etc. Ask friends or family for help and remember that life is not a bank account.
You are important, this too shall pass. Trust me, I'm old and I know.
The headlines, the media drives much of the despair by painting only the negatives (remember, media stays alive by feeding us terror and panic). There is comnpassionate help out there.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 29, 2009 9:08 AM
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Please survive anyways. Anonymous people have no right to help kill you.
Everyone has faults because we're all human, and you are still your mother's pride.
If you've gone crazy for love, just rejoice about the craziness. All of us are crazy for love at some time.
Now, don't go cold and hungry, organize. Other people are in your boat. Save yourself and save them.
Do you need to look for a job? Organize a job-hunting group. Do you have zero chance of getting hired because you're ____? Organize a small business crew or collective. Or at least plant some food, legally if possible, as an act of protest if not.
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Warning: religious slant ahead.
When Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Show me a coin", the Pharisees were embarrassed because the Jews were supposedly boycotting Roman coins. "Thou shall not have any graven images" refers to coins. The Romans worshipped the current Caesar as a god, and put his image on the coins. So Jesus said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, render unto God what is God's."
If you intend to render unto God what is God's then suicide is utterly out of the question. If you have two hands OR a brain OR some functionality then you have some work, some learning, some caring, and/or some meditation to do today. God wants to get some progress out of you today.
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Posted by: Menopausal Mick on Jan 29, 2009 9:11 AM
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If you have land, you can add RV sites to house people for minimal expense outlay. RV's are on sale all over the country for pennies on the dollar. Most RV's of 30 ft. have a tiny bathroom and kitchen and bedroom.
If you have land, you have the ability to feed a great number of people. Even a small amount of land can produce enough to feed extra mouths.
If you have a downpayment and decent credit you can get 4.87 on a thirty year fixed mortgage. That was the rate that closed just last week. In the history of mortgages, it's never been that low before. Buy LAND.. buy LAND. Partner up with family and friends for the downpayment and buy LAND. Did I mention buy LAND?
For those that can't leave the city. Convert your garage into an extra bedroom. Your backyard has plenty of room to raise food in elevated planting beds. Make a deal with your neighbors to allow you to raise chickens for part of the eggs. I'll bet they'd be happy to put up with a little extra noise for fresh eggs.
Rather than be depressed over articles like this one...take action instead.
Consider being someone's lifeline. Communal living has its problems but it also has many, many positive aspects. It has enriched my life immensely.
You don't have to keep playing "their" game. You can imagine a different way of life.
You can be the change.
The key is like-minded people joining together to create something new.
Menopausal Mick
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Posted by: Animal on Jan 29, 2009 9:19 AM
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There'll be a civil war here before that happens. I certainly won't accept a theocratic corporate totalitarian police state here.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 29, 2009 9:50 AM
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We have been played for suckers, treated like so many million lab rats, over and over again being shocked and dutifully pushing the food bar in some Skinnerian behavior-modification nightmare.
It hurts me to see anger turned inward to depression, and even suicide, because of decades of conditioning by the wealthy and powerful (and criminal) few.
THEY ARE DOING THIS TO US! When and how will we fight back?
It is time to bury feudalism, and those who champion it under the guise of "free market capitalism," once and for all.
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Posted by: ptoddchesser on Jan 29, 2009 10:08 AM
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Though I don't condone this, he started growing marijuana to suppliment his unemployment insurance. One thing led to another and he was busted in a sting and now a man who has been a law abiding citizen for 35 years is looking at 3 to 15 years in prison.
He was desperate and didn't know what he was going to do, was about to lose his home, and he felt that he was at the end of his rope. I thank God he didn't kill himself but our family will still lose him for some time while he pays his debt.
It's the stories like this and the one's in this article that bring such a human element to the consequences of Wall Street's actions. Somewhere in all this I wish that could be considered and charges be brought to the ones who so callously chased their greed at the expense of very many "little" people.
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Posted by: rafey on Jan 29, 2009 10:17 AM
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As to those who complain about so-called "socialization." These folks nearly always appear to be on welfare, which is the ultimate in socialization and redistribution of wealth. I am continually amazed that these very people don't even know what they do!
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Posted by: Hiroak on Jan 29, 2009 10:31 AM
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Actually I think since the rich retain a lot of shit they might not be as tasty as first considered, however, as fertilizer, hmmmm now that might work.
Just think many of us used to laugh at the "survivalist" nutcases, maybe not as full of peanuts as we thought!!!
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Posted by: jvaljon1 on Jan 29, 2009 10:33 AM
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Go to the most recent telephone books that there are. Mail each family in all the books, ONE MILLION DOLLARS. You will in one fell swoop:
1) Stop the misery, and give the REAL VICTIMS--that's US, folks, not corporate America--a hand up from this quagmire that Corporate America put us all into.
2) Give help to the VICTIMS--NOT to the perpetrators of this disaster, as in the previous Bailouts Numbers One and Two. And finally,
3) Set America on a beautiful new time of prosperity, freedom and peace.
That's what ONE FOUR HUNDRED MILLION (NOT BILLION)-DOLLAR bailout can do. People committing suicide because they got screwed?!! Are you kidding me?!
To start with--END ALL CORPORATE BAILOUTS NOW! Give the money to those who need it--that's US, folks--and it'll be WAY CHEAPER than buying off these dirtbags who put cheerfully put America's economy into the garbage pail, and then demand money--for what? TO KEEP FLYING????
FUCK THESE ASSHOLES AND THEIR STINKING CORPORATE JETS: THAT THEY TAKE OUR MONEY, AND THEN INSIST THAT THEY MUST KEEP ON FLYING! (Please forgive me, AlterNet, I know you're against "excessive profanity"--but is it REALLY 'excessive' in these cases???!!) Just Say--"NO"!
Are you KIDDING ME??? This--while people are robbing banks to pay the rent? While people are killing their families because THEY feel somehow responsible for the Second Great Depression??!!!! I pray each day that these pieces of filth all fall out of the skies, and with each accident, help America get cleaner and better.
Barring that kind of deliverance--let's all get behind MY idea of a "bailout"--a Million Bucks per Family. You want to 'stimulate spending'? That'll DEFINITELY do it!
ABOVE ALL--STOP CORPORATE BAILOUTS. If you can't see fit to give the money to the wronged--at least quit giving it to the fat wallowing pigs who are telling us that they "...need more..." always MORE!
Here's the math, once more: One Million Dollars to each American--One time. Well--maybe TWO times. (To equal the number of times that we're expected to "bail out" Pig America).
Or--keep on shoveling billions to corporate looters and watch our citizens kill themselves.
AMERICA--YOUR CHOICE!
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Posted by: 2dogarage on Jan 29, 2009 10:34 AM
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I'm not making light of the subject whatsoever, I've had dear friends take that lonely ride and it's devastating for everyone.
I think we're all about to "meet our maker" in one way another as the world reverts to judging it's inhabitants on how hard they work and not on how much they have.
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Posted by: Sushi on Jan 29, 2009 10:39 AM
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Sushi
"Death takes its toll. Please have exact change ready."
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Posted by: Hiroak on Jan 29, 2009 10:42 AM
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Any lift this would create would be temporary as the system is broken and has been for a loooong time. Still Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Bush1, Greenspan, Bernanke, Thain & (all CEO's of the big financial pirate dens). This event would top the Stupid Bowl and give these worthless lives some meaning. They could even get creative and get points for the most spectacular, creative, efficient, gory, clean, painless, painful, etc... Great family fun, a good chance to tell the kids about personal responsibility, honor, consequences, etc...
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Posted by: Animal on Jan 29, 2009 1:12 PM
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jan 29, 2009 1:12 PM
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I hope anyone out there despairing realizes they have more worth than their material possessions and credit report. If they can reevaluate their priorities, they may find they can live more happily than the ever could before, free of society's definition of success. I realize that it is really really scary to be homeless. (And yes, I have been almost on that edge myself so it is not just idle talk), but once you come through a difficulty you find new respect for yourself. Hang in their and don't be another victim of a soulless society's lie.
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Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Jan 29, 2009 1:20 PM
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Corporations produce shit. We should have as little to do with them as possible. Even those of us who do work that needs to be done are taking work that other people would do and causing them to seek destructive work.
If I lose my job (a real possibility) I won't feel depressed about not having a job. I may be depressed about being hungry or homeless but not about not having a job.
We could provide for everyone's needs with a small fraction of the resources (natural and human) that we consume now.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jan 29, 2009 2:15 PM
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Setting aside all the Darwinian horseshit themes that immediately spring to mind, it's pretty tough to have compassion for a group of people who are notoriously so ruthless and heartless and continue to be so.
Nevertheless, when anyone ends their pain permanently... yeah, it happens. At least their pain is over. It just sucks for those left behind to have to deal with the additional mess. That's how it works.
If the owning class had an ounce of decency they'd begin debt cancellations at once and en masse.... I won't hold my breath on that one.
1789. Watch your ass, rich boyz.
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Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Jan 29, 2009 4:14 PM
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In the meantime, I ran through my savings and got evicted from my apartment. You can damn well bet I was suicidal and I was hospitalized twice for it. I have supported myself since I was 21. I now live in a homeless shelter for women. It is small (only takes 10 women) but it is one of only 2 in the state that does not kick you out at 7 AM and then reopen at 5PM. (Most of the homeless in my state have to spend those 10 hours a day out on the street with all their belongings regardless of the weather. This is in New England)
In the shelter with me are: an accountant who formerly worked for one of the Big Seven, a pre-school teacher, a certified nurse's assistant, and a bus driver. What we all have in common is that we became ill in our 40's, Social Security is jerking our chains, and we have no family to help us.
Consider us canaries in the mine. I predict more shelters will have more professionals and more educated clients as the economy implodes. I am glad I did not kill myself: I have become galvanized by the plight of the homeless and am using my connections to get our voices heard on public access TV and radio. I am also going to use my connections with the State House to demand some face time between us and our elected officials. I had initially planned to leave the area once I got on SSDI, but now think I will stay and work to make things better for people in our condition.
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Posted by: using on Jan 29, 2009 5:18 PM
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January 29, 2009
Republicans are right. President Barack Obama treated them like dirt, didn't give a damn what they thought about his stimulus package, loaded it with a bunch of programs that will last for years and will never leave the budget, is giving away money disguised as "tax refunds," and is sneaking in huge changes in policy, from schools to health care, using the pretext of an economic emergency.
Way to go, Mr. O! Mr. Down-and-Dirty Chicago pol. Street-fightin' man. Covering over his break-your-face power play with a "we're all post-partisan friends" BS.
And it's about time.
Frankly, I was worried about this guy. Obama's appointing Clinton-droids to the Cabinet, bloated incompetents like Larry Summers as "Economics Czar," made me fear for my country, that we'd gotten another Democrat who wished he were a Republican.
Then came Obama's money bomb. The House bill included $125 billion for schools (TRIPLING federal spending on education), expanding insurance coverage to the unemployed, making the most progressive change in the tax code in four decades by creating a $500 credit against social security payroll deductions, and so on.
It's as if Obama dug up Ronald Reagan's carcass and put a stake through The Gipper's anti-government heart. Aw-RIGHT!
About the only concession Obama threw to the right-wing trogs was to remove the subsidy for condoms, leaving hooker-happy GOP Senators, like David Vitter, to pay for their own protection. S'OK with me.
And here's the proof that Bam is The Man: Not one single Republican congressman voted for the bill. And that means that Obama didn't compromise, the way Clinton and Carter would have, to win the love of these condom-less jerks.
And we didn't need'm. Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!
Now I understand Obama's weird moves: dinner with those creepy conservative columnists, earnest meetings at the White House with the Republican leaders, a dramatic begging foray into Senate offices. Just as the Republicans say, it was all a fraud. Obama was pure Chicago, Boss Daley in a slim skin, putting his arms around his enemies, pretending to listen and care and compromise, then slowly, quietly, slipping in the knife. All while the media praises Obama's "post-partisanship." Heh heh heh.
Love it. Now we know why Obama picked that vindictive little viper Rahm Emanuel as staff chief: everyone visiting the Oval office will be greeted by the Windy City hit man who would hack up your grandma if you mess with the Godfather-in-Chief.
I don't know about you, but THIS is the change I've been waiting for.
Will it last? We'll see if Obama caves in to more tax cuts to investment bankers. We'll see if he stops the sub-prime scum-bags from foreclosing on frightened families. We'll see if he stands up to the whining, gormless generals who don't know how to get our troops out of Iraq. (In SHIPS, you doofusses!)
Look, don't get your hopes up. But it may turn out the new President's ... a Democrat!
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Posted by: Blue Heron on Jan 29, 2009 6:13 PM
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My situation is not great. I was laid off from Apple three months ago. However, none of you have heard of layoffs there, because they simply disposed of Permatemps like myself with no notice. That way, it would not appear in the news media, as the Microsoft layoffs have. Google has done exactly the same thing.
Killing myself is the truly furthest thing from mind. Of course I am worried and disappointed. But taking it further than that would just mean maximum satisfaction to the Apple brats and The Man in general. Please folks, don't give them that pleasure! Things are desperate, yes. Despair is pervasive. But don't let these bastards devalue your life. You have intrinsic value beyond this foul system.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Jan 29, 2009 6:53 PM
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Living in an economy based on consumption, where prestige depends on wealth, surrounded by advertising designed to create desire for the unnecessary, it's easy to lose sight of what really matters and easy to despair when financial disaster strikes.
But take it from one who knows: give up all that stuff and you'll be happier.
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Posted by: Lily H. on Jan 29, 2009 8:17 PM
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small son. Nothing like having to move out of your 3-bedroom, 2-bath home into a homeless shelter on
your 31st birthday, because your spouse mismanaged
the finances and bounced a check to the landlord.
In any case, we were already stretched to the breaking point, and wound up divorcing several years later.
I'd heard in recent reports about the family in L.A., that the husband and wife lost their jobs with
Kaiser because they'd falsified their incomes for
company-sponsored day-care. Why didn't they just get
kicked out of the program, rather than lose their jobs? Hate to use this word, but it seems like "overkill".
Also, the wife consented to letting the husband fire
the fatal shots that took them all out. Not that this
should necessarily mean much in light of this tragedy,
but I couldn't help notice this family was black, which gives me pause as to why they had no one to turn to, as typically many minority families tend to take care of one another more than do whites. The
father was quoted as he didn't want the children to "go with strangers". So sad...senseless, really.
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Posted by: talkville on Jan 29, 2009 9:39 PM
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Reagan launched the Strike. A significant tool in this effort is the practice of humiliation, starvation and general weakening. Its Object is Labor, specifically unionized and organized Labor. How can Starving people resist? These Animals like Hobbes and his theories of the State of Nature -- we are being and have been reduced to that State. In this State, they figure, an individual will accept anything even the most draconian and drastic conditions in order to survive.
These people are not Men; they are Animals; clever Animals, but Animals nevertheless.
All these "despairing" individuals that are turning to robbing, suicide, homicide and other non-social activities are doing it in a state of complete alienation, alienation from their neighbors, from other individuals experiencing the same troubles. Just as these capitalists want, as they are ensuring and as they are continuing to ensure.
And we all keep accepting their terms, their interpretations, their humiliations, their rationalizations.
It's time to REFUSE. These are Animals, these are not Men, this is not Civilization. This is the Rule of the Jungle and the Strong. This is the Rule of Might.
This existing Ideology precludes Justice, any kind of Justice from the Outset.
REFUSE!! We must do everything possible to direct and organize all our hostile and self-destructive reactions toward their Source: these Animal Capitalists. We are being enslaved by means of starvation, humiliation (in the guise of 'discipline') and reduction to survival mechanisms. REFUSE!!
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Jan 30, 2009 11:20 AM
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These words were spoken to me about 3 weeks ago by an employee I had to lay off.
The employee, a middle-aged Engineer, almost cried when I told him he was being laid off.
I felt bad, especially because I'm only 26, and was laying off this 40 something old man, with a family!
My company has outsourced much of the work to Shenghai, China and Bangalore, India, in the last 3 years.
What to do? There will be more lay-offs in the next few months.
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Posted by: abprosper on Jan 30, 2009 11:50 PM
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Less boys are being born
And yes men are being feminized. Ironically we men did it to ourselves with chemicals in the ecosystem and a lack of exercise
Neither women nor feminism had anything to do with either of those things and blaming them is just a dodge.
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...Indian farmers have been suiciding by hundreds a day for many months now.
...Afghanistan's women have been self-immolating.
...Asians & Africans have been selling their children & organs.
...How many child prostitutes are there?
...International slavery?
...The *American Protectorate* of Saipan slavery?
...massive numbers of meth addictions?
...skyrocketting social levels of prisons & degrading conditions?
...worldwide thirst... ?
..& Nick Turse is whinging about the miseries of the last few months?
we don't have it as bad as they have...
we brought it on ourselves by not policing corporate corruption...
...by being more interested with criminalizing VICE as a 'morality crime'
while letting our ETHICS, RESPECT & SOCIAL COMPASSION circle the bowl.
perspective, people.
Perspective.
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Posted by: jmars on Feb 6, 2009 12:52 PM
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There is only one way out: Cast off the yoke of debt and dependence on the financial institutions' gangsterism. If we all just defaulted on our debts - every last one of them (aside from those to family and friends which are honest debts), the system would bottom out and we would have an opportunity to develop a different, more humane economic order.
I'm astounded at what our farce of a financial system is doing to people and how little we understand about why we are drowning in debt, unemployed and growing more desperate each day.
The guys who run the financial industry want us to be poor, hungry, unemployed and homeless. They have been looting our wealth and picking our pockets for well over a century. Things are slipping into high gear now. People can either actively resist and rebel or waste away like bugs.
I don't buy all this nonsense about how if we tighten our belts and brace ourselves for the worst, we will somehow come through this crisis and the world will somehow return to a slightly kinder, gentler version of corporatism. It's not going to happen people.
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Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Jan 29, 2009 12:30 AM
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The above poster is correct that people need to stop being so implosive in their reactions to these hardships. We need to be more explosive, like targeting executives with violence. If we only kill ourselves, we're just taking the route to end our troubles that's most convenient for the powers that be. They'd much prefer that we turn inward and destroy ourselves than go after them.
This is the onset of a cruel chapter of human history. There's a lot more suffering to come. Many reading these threads will find themselves economically destroyed this year; many may end up homeless, anomic, permanently scarred, and persecuted by authorities that want to keep their misery out of the public view.
Start preparing yourself psychologically for the worst. If your life is swept up in this destructive tide and you can control little else, at least you might be able to exercise some control over your mind, if you don't go insane. Accept that life is suffering and it's best to desire as little as possible. Lower your expectations as a shield against disappointment, which will be the new zeitgeist.
The economy is is free fall, nothing can save it, and while Obama's plan is the most compassionate economic plan proffered by a president since Lyndon Johnson, it cannot stop the collapse that is already set in motion.
Change is here already. It's a change to a much lower material standard of living, which in the very long term may be a good thing, but in the interim will be brutal.
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Posted by: Alan8 on Jan 29, 2009 1:16 AM
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Which is why we shouldn't forget that the Democrats let the whole Republican agenda just happen over the last eight years. It only takes one senator to filibuster.
Looking at www.opensecrets.org, we can see that the Democrats are financed by the same corporate interests that finance the Republicans. Neither party will give us single-payer health care, for example, because it would hurt the profits of the insurance and pharmaceutical corporations that finance them.
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Look around you we have grocery stores brimming with food and people down the street at a food pantry because they don't have enough money. Food
prices are rising despite a sinking economy. Do you really believe this is a coincidence? The corporatocracy is ruining our environment.Waging wars that have no end in sight. Consolidation is a
step towards dictatorship. Control of the media and the implementation of electronic control of banking and RFID tags for identification are also in use. They will track you and by electronics deny you access to basic needs if you are not under their control. Then it will be too late.
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Posted by: the fairness fella on Jan 29, 2009 2:41 AM
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In some of the early posts we talked of the great depression she lived through.
Though the times were very hard, Olive remembered them as not unhappy times. People were closer to basics then and so when they lost jobs, it was not such a big step to turn the garden into a veggie patch, to start making their own clothes, and hunting their own meat, mostly rabbits.
Cars did not drain the family purse of 20% because people rode bikes, and were healthier and happier for it.
People helped each other lot too, providing free accomodation for relatives or neighbors, lending a bike, sharing a job. There were many evictions of course and and groups of neighbors who stopped those evictions.
There was a politician, who became a God, Jack Lang, who stopped the evictions
Many landlords and banks, on their own bat, decided that it was better to leave people in their homes, knowing the properties would be protected rather than having them empty and vandalized.
A surprising number of people paid back every cent they owed when the depression was over.
I wonder if it's not time for those who are worried, who can see trouble ahead, to check out books on the Great Depression, and see how they did it back then.
Olive and I, here in Australia, discussed David Potts book, The Myth of the Great Depression. By myth, David meant that it was not all doom and gloom, and for this rather rosy view, he got flack from some reviewers. But Olive found him spot on.
Olive's blog is still up. www.allaboutolive.com.au. Go to the archive for July 2007. At the very least, this feisty old lady will cheer you up with news of the simple life.
We chortled over the fact that, in line with keeping your own hen house, etc. One depression battler coined the phrase, making hens meet.
Cuba too, is a model. When the Russians cut Cuba's oil off in the early nineties, the Cubans had to re invent their economy and the cities became full of market gardens.
There are films about this, showing great resilience and cheerfulness on the part of the Cubans.
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The US is long overdue for a revolution and some guillotining. Why do we prop up large businesses. Everybody can do without vampires.
And if you think about suicide - take a manager with you. Make a statement, make it meaningful!
Let them live the fear that they brought onto others.
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You see? America is still No 1 in some things.
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Newly installed Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner issued new rules Tuesday restricting contacts with lobbyists – and then hired one to be his top aide.
Mark Patterson, a former advocate for Goldman Sachs, will serve as chief of staff to Geithner as the Treasury Department revamps the Wall Street bailout program that sent an infusion of cash to his former employer.
Patterson’s appointment marks the second time in President Barack Obama’s first week in office that the administration has had to explain how it’s complying with its own ethics rules as it hires a bevy of Washington insiders for administration jobs.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 29, 2009 5:13 AM
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Yet our federal health agencies supported by mainstream media reporting have us worried about "peanut butter"(7 deaths in elderly and already sick people) Works as wonderful diversion from reality keeping a lid on the rage of the public about poverty.
I am for safe food but I know what we need to focus on and it isn't peanut butter or bird flu for that matter.
My own proposed "health care plan" for our times is meaningful,safe,healthy,secure JOBS for all able adult Americans!
Now that is a good RX from me
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: taxidriver on Jan 29, 2009 5:12 AM
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It's partly our society too--our emphasis on "success" through "rugged individualism," and the idea that if you fail it's somehow your fault--that you're the loser.
We lack community spirit--so many people are friendless today, not just penniless.
The ethos of our society needs to change--we've tried Darwinian capitalism and "shop to you drop," and that's not working ...
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Posted by: charles000 on Jan 29, 2009 5:26 AM
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This was before the infamous Bernie Madoff $50 billion investment scam made the headlines, before the daily reports of 100s of thousands of jobs disappearing, before the $750 billion banking system bailout . . .
What many, including myself are experiencing is a profound loss of trust or faith, in anything.
Essentially everything we have ever been told to believe in has turned out to be bogus, a lie, a gigantic Ponzi scheme designed to misguide the public for extremely short sided, self absorbed gain.
There are only so many foreclosures, bank failures, bogus wars, sleazy corporate CEOs, businesses shutting down, pension and retirement funds disappearing that people can take, before they get pushed to an edge, the edge of no return.
Even as I am composing this comment, there are countless millions of kids in high school, suspended in limbo with no idea of how they will ever be able to afford even the most modestly priced college education, knowing that their future children will be paying for the government money that has already been borrowed against their future.
Most of the institutions we have been told to believe in, such as social security, medicare, privately funded retirement programs, and so on will not even exist in their future lives, at least not in their current form.
For people in their mid-50s and older today, finding any kind of a job, even the most minimal part time employment, is essentially impossible. These are the people who have already lost everything, their 401ks are essentially worthless, their home, even if they are still in it, has dropped 50% or more in value, and they can't borrow enough money to even meet the most basic of life support.
I can't even begin to imagine what elderly folks, perhaps in their 70s and beyond, who are in assisted living situations requiring specialized medical care and so on must be facing.
This is not psycho-babble fluffy talk, or some sort of theoretical abstract academic concept . . . this is real life, as it being experienced today.
Perhaps for some, suicide really does begin to look like an acceptable option for consideration. The traditional models of family and local community support infrastructure that once served as the safety net for retirees and elderly with special needs has all but disappeared in many areas.
I don't say this to be flippant or make some sort of dramatic statement, but as a practical assessment of the phenomena that we are all witnessing.
Where is the moral or ethical compass pointing to in all of this? I don't think anyone can claim such authority or wisdom. But the one thing I would like to point to at this juncture is this - we all have to be careful in our judgements of others, as the commonly referred to quote suggest, "be it but for the grace of God walk I".
We are all now facing a challenge that hasn't been experienced since the days of the Great Depression and the "dust bowl" of the 1930s.
In short, the party's over, the days of absurdly big lifestyle and over the top bling are giving way to a wakeup call, the real world is beckoning, and we have to recognize such.
In these conditions, some may be young and determined enough to address these challenges head on, and navigate a course through the rough waters ahead.
For others. however, the range of options available may be extremely limited, and the lifeboats that once seemed within reach under such circumstances simply don't exist in current times.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Jan 29, 2009 6:29 AM
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I am advising that anyone purchasing from these corporations is subject to find me behind them with a lit welding torch up your intestines.
Convincing corporations that layoffs are their suicides, not ours, is one possible answer.
Letting corporate management know that we who are employed will refuse to purchase from these companies is one strategy. I suspect that en-masse writing campaigns designed to destroy the profits specifically derived from layoffs may accomplish more than big-shot or bureaucrat bailouts will. Anyone else on for this tactic? Any more ideas out there to penalize these corporate sharks and piranhas?
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Your article failed to document any quantitative or qualitative INCREASE in the percentage of suicides since the economy rode off the rails.
There have ALWAYS been Americans committing suicide, robbing banks - being driven to desperate measures because of personal problems in their lives.
Alternet failed to back up their hypothesis by publishing statistics from mental health experts or coroners records.
Alternet is one of the utterly sloppiest sources of news I've ever seen in my life. Poorly researched, relying on innuendo, unformed hypothesis and intern material type of reporting.
If this is what allegedly passes for "alternative, indie, progressive media" then we are in deep deep doo-doo.
Yesterday an article was published about British men getting breast reduction surgery. A few weeks a rubbish article was published about the size of Michelle Obama's fanny and big African American female buttocks. Alternet on a daily basis keeps hammering away insisting Sarah Palin is some sort of rising star and "power broker" in the GOP - get over it, she's a national joke.
I am SO fed up with your slobering over Rush Lumbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly - you GIVE them power by reporting on them on a daily basis. Ignore them and let them settle like dust.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jan 29, 2009 6:56 AM
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Measuring yourself by monetary values (an ethic that advertising thrives on) is as old as the Protestant Ethic where individuals thought that the evidence for one's heavenly destiny in the next life was prosperity in this life.
We have chosen political leadership who identify the American Way of Life with wealth rather than freedom for social change. So long as everything is for sale, the pathos of people who treat themselves as disposable will continue.
In fact, while recent times see an increase, this pattern is well established among us. Suicide is the biggest killer of our youth. Ours remains a violent alienated society. What is worse is that we accept it as normal.
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Posted by: ellie on Jan 29, 2009 7:07 AM
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sure, anomie and money withdrawl is a horrobible thing to go through, but how about turning things 180' around.... let's look at the strength on the other side... the worst thing 'they' can do is kill you, but at least we'd all go down for a reason and it won't be 'their' $$... we don't have debtor prisons anymore, and jail means a roof and meals no matter what...
the fear factor of being broke is being ramped up because the powerful want us to be afraid of having nothing to spend, so why not cut out the middleman and we turn our backs on them...
first off, we are in this financial mess because the powers that be refuse to share, so why should we allow them to win...
what has been recently seen are small grassroots movement, still splintered around the country that are turning their back on banks and corporations, creating alternative solutions and not sharing with the power elite...
movements like property take overs by small group force when the foreclosure auction produces no takers (read about several families who have done this and have actually moved into better neighborhoods... there aren't enough cops to stop it in some areas), food banks and meal sharing are growing like food co-ops used to be... when it gets warmer, plans for community gardens in abandoned areas...
we'll be ok if we all work with each other... sound crazy, but so far no other plans have worked... we just create alternative social systems to replace the ones we know are broken... no, not everyone is going to get what they want, but we should be able to meet everyone's basic needs...
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Some did, some do...... but hordes?
I don't need a sensationalized tabloid blurb to read an article. Rip Tragle
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I speak as a retiree (working part-time here and there again where I can find work -- which is very difficult -- having lost much of my savings and watching my home worth plummet over the past two months.)
I refuse, refuse to be cowed or bent by this period of crisis and dismay. My life is too important to give it up over the stupidity, gross greed and self-entitlement that has been displayed by so many money managers etc.
May those who are deeply distressed and depressed REACH OUT for help. There is help for those who are hurting. Call Samaritans or another crisis line, rent out a room in your home, ask creditors if you can make smaller payments etc. Ask friends or family for help and remember that life is not a bank account.
You are important, this too shall pass. Trust me, I'm old and I know.
The headlines, the media drives much of the despair by painting only the negatives (remember, media stays alive by feeding us terror and panic). There is comnpassionate help out there.
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Posted by: PaulK on Jan 29, 2009 9:08 AM
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Please survive anyways. Anonymous people have no right to help kill you.
Everyone has faults because we're all human, and you are still your mother's pride.
If you've gone crazy for love, just rejoice about the craziness. All of us are crazy for love at some time.
Now, don't go cold and hungry, organize. Other people are in your boat. Save yourself and save them.
Do you need to look for a job? Organize a job-hunting group. Do you have zero chance of getting hired because you're ____? Organize a small business crew or collective. Or at least plant some food, legally if possible, as an act of protest if not.
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Warning: religious slant ahead.
When Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Show me a coin", the Pharisees were embarrassed because the Jews were supposedly boycotting Roman coins. "Thou shall not have any graven images" refers to coins. The Romans worshipped the current Caesar as a god, and put his image on the coins. So Jesus said, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, render unto God what is God's."
If you intend to render unto God what is God's then suicide is utterly out of the question. If you have two hands OR a brain OR some functionality then you have some work, some learning, some caring, and/or some meditation to do today. God wants to get some progress out of you today.
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Posted by: Menopausal Mick on Jan 29, 2009 9:11 AM
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If you have land, you can add RV sites to house people for minimal expense outlay. RV's are on sale all over the country for pennies on the dollar. Most RV's of 30 ft. have a tiny bathroom and kitchen and bedroom.
If you have land, you have the ability to feed a great number of people. Even a small amount of land can produce enough to feed extra mouths.
If you have a downpayment and decent credit you can get 4.87 on a thirty year fixed mortgage. That was the rate that closed just last week. In the history of mortgages, it's never been that low before. Buy LAND.. buy LAND. Partner up with family and friends for the downpayment and buy LAND. Did I mention buy LAND?
For those that can't leave the city. Convert your garage into an extra bedroom. Your backyard has plenty of room to raise food in elevated planting beds. Make a deal with your neighbors to allow you to raise chickens for part of the eggs. I'll bet they'd be happy to put up with a little extra noise for fresh eggs.
Rather than be depressed over articles like this one...take action instead.
Consider being someone's lifeline. Communal living has its problems but it also has many, many positive aspects. It has enriched my life immensely.
You don't have to keep playing "their" game. You can imagine a different way of life.
You can be the change.
The key is like-minded people joining together to create something new.
Menopausal Mick
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