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How Much Should Obama Work with Republicans?

Few traditions are as annoying as the worship of bipartisanship, for it ignores the fact that sometimes one party gets things disastrously wrong.
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As the nation celebrated a day of uplift, Wall Street delivered a brutal downdraft. Even as Barack Obama was taking the oath of office, the markets plunged -- the Dow dropped more than 300 points, and broader indexes slumped on jitters about shaky banks. It was the worst Inauguration Day performance in more than a century of trading.

Wild swings on Wall Street are but one sign that no one really knows where we are economically, let alone where we are going. When Obama, known for his elegant optimism, spoke of "gathering clouds and raging storms" in his inaugural address, it seemed to be implied that not even he knows how to navigate them. If he meant to say we have nothing to fear but fear itself, it did not come across. We have, frankly, an awful lot to fear, and Obama seemed to tell us that.

Few analysts believe the perilous economic situation will improve anytime soon. The consensus is that we aren't to expect anything resembling a return to economic normalcy -- whatever that looks like without a housing bubble or a tech boom or loose credit -- until about 2010.

But beyond a mammoth economic stimulus package that is to be the first order of business for the new president and Congress, it is difficult to tell exactly what Obama plans. His campaign was a gauzy celebration of new-generation hope and a recognition of historic racial progress. Yet above all, his election was a primal scream against the policies and legacies of George W. Bush.

Obama's own ideology remains obscure, wrapped in a youthful, congenial and confident persona. We do not yet know what, exactly, lies underneath. With so little time in federal office, Obama has scant history of taking tough stands or making difficult choices. He has not revealed an overarching worldview and bristles at the notion that he should. His transition to power was soothing, yet his insistence that he will engage with anyone who wishes to offer ideas is, in its own way, troubling.

The root of our financial crisis is that for much of the past three decades, we have implemented very bad economic ideas. Obama seems at the very same time to get this and not get it. The question, he said in his inaugural address, is not whether the market is a force for good or ill. He noted that "without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control" and that "the nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous."

Nonetheless, he keeps telling congressional Republicans that he will work with them -- even though they are among the chief architects of this disaster. Since the Reagan era, Republicans have put tax cuts ahead of all other economic policies, and deregulation a close second. They have stuffed wallets that already were plump, left the broad middle class staggering and allowed the working class to become the working poor.

If these politicians that Obama so fervently wishes to engage have such good ideas to offer, why have they not done so? In fact, there are few Washington traditions as annoying as the cultish worship of bipartisanship, for it ignores the simple fact that sometimes one party gets things disastrously wrong.

Another is the mantra that "entitlements" -- that is Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- are costly, bloated and threaten the nation's economic future. Obama already has pledged to undertake "entitlement reform," a phrase that sends a shudder down my spine. With banks and other financial institutions now "entitled" to hundreds of billions in public money to bail them out of disastrous decisions, it is impossible to see why taxpayers who have paid for their future benefits through their payroll taxes should not be "entitled" to receive them. Besides, since there is no immediate crisis in Medicare -- and certainly not in the healthier Social Security program -- there isn't even a reason to mention this right now.

The ease with which Obama glides through political rituals is amazing. So is his ability to soothe while talking about disturbing truths.

Yet, symbolism soon will fade as Obama becomes the decider. To decide is to disappoint, even anger, those who haven't gotten their way, and frankly shouldn't. My hope for the new president is that he understands this and is willing to take the hits.

Marie Cocco's e-mail address is mariecocco@washpost.com.

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Marie Cocco is a prize-winning syndicated columnist on political and cultural topics for the Washington Post Writers Group. She is a frequent commentator on national TV and radio shows.
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Join US Or Become Irrelevant
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 23, 2009 12:23 AM   
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Call them on everything. Spell out the differences clearly. Make sure no republican goes unopposed in the next election. Target the hard a*ses. Take no prisoners.

The election is over & has consequences. They lost- badly. Two elections in a row.

Let's roll.

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Barack is a Brilliant Manager But Is He a Leader ?
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 23, 2009 1:13 AM   
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Therein lies the question ... So far we have seen a brilliantly managed campaign and transition but we have seen very little in the way of leadership.

The Stimulus Plan suggests he is not a Leader. He has compromised to all the worst theories the Republicans have to offer ... tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts ...

Above all a leader has to have values and goals, Obama seems all about consensus, a consensus that will prove to be tragically wrong for what ails us and our economy.

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Entitlements
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 23, 2009 2:34 AM   
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Not a bad article. And very good point about the so-called "entitlements".

The problem, I suppose, is that Obama was not elected on a new-sheriff-in-town platform, but rather, the idea of bringing the US together as one with a common set of values and goals.

Of course, in reality there is no such thing. I agree with the article: What's the point of compromising with the zealots, ideas and policies that have dragged us into this rut? All the polarization has occurred for a darn good reason, or rather, a long list of darn good reasons.

However much Obama wants to deny the realities of politics, there is very much a Red America and a Blue America. No amount of oratory skills and charisma are going to convert Red America.

He promised one big happy family that's impossible to deliver. His cabinet choices and other compromises mentioned in the article are just trying to keep up the pretense. And those on the progressive side who bought into the big speeches about hope, bringing the love back, and all that other crap shouldn't be too surprised or feel too betrayed, because it's more or less what they asked for.

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Reminder: Republicans are traitors
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 23, 2009 3:38 AM   
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It would be much smarter to declare martial law and arrest all Republicans.

The last eight years have shown us that today's Republicans are degenerates, traitors, and war criminals. If they weren't so incredibly incompetent, we'd be living in a fascist dictatorship right now.

If Obama reaches out to them, he's sure to pull back a bloody stump. So to speak.

Remember that the Republicans stole two successive Presidential elections. Remember also that stealing a Presidential election is not a dirty trick--it is an act of war. Our nation is in a state of undeclared civil war. Watch your hand, Mr. President.

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How much should Obama work with Republicans?
Posted by: photon's feather on Jan 23, 2009 3:59 AM   
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Perhaps about as much as Bush worked with Democrats.

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When will the damn party be over!
Posted by: 2thepoint on Jan 23, 2009 4:00 AM   
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How much should Obama work with republicans?.. What an ignorant article.. The problem with politics in this country is that one party seems to feel it's their mandate to ignor the other. The democrats are doing a fine job of this in congress right now..The repubs most likely did it to the dems.

They dont get it.. They aren't there to ignore the other guy..They are supposed to be there to work to make the country better. To work together..

Obama gets it... the rest of the insane party hacks don't seem to get it and obviously the looney left thinks it's THEIR country.

With a mindset such as this we will never be more than what we are now..a 2 party mess!

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It is not about Democrats versus Republicans
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Jan 23, 2009 5:15 AM   
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The simple fact that the democratically controlled Congress could not even bring to the floor a bill of impeachment clearly shows that there is another power controlling both parties. There is much evidence pointing to the control of Congress by the military-industrial oil central banking complex. One other controlling element Re: foreign affairs is AIPAC, the Israeli lobby.

The Bailout and the printing of trillions of dollars by the Federal Reserve Bank is just one of the last steps in the fascist takeover of every aspect on this country and the implementation of a one world government and monetary system by the military-industrial oil central private banking complex.

Anyone who is analyzing the situation and espousing there own opinion as to how bad the economic turndown will get and does not espouse the immediate change in the monetary system by eliminating the Federal Reserve Bank is being disingenuous. They cannot be trusted because the underlying core problem is that the monetary system in this country is completely controlled by a for-profit private cartel of banks.
Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, John F. Kennedy and many more politicians and private citizens throughout the course of the history of this country knew that a private central bank controlling the supply of money in this country and creating debt every time money is printed will only enrich the bankers and enslave the people of this country.
This current monetary system must be replaced with a resource based system. Please go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and watch the Zeitgeist Addendum movie which is on my homepage.

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Don't worry, he'll keep "working" with the GOP just like the rest of the Democrats.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 23, 2009 5:43 AM   
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And most of them deserve 1st place for being the greatest rollover dumb dog pansies ! Glad I voted Nader !

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Bipartisanship serves the Corporate agenda
Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Jan 23, 2009 5:51 AM   
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Bipartisanship is the cover that every president uses to explain why he cannot keep his promises to the people and must, instead, continue to serve the Corporate agenda.

We must stop expecting any leader of the capitalist system to do more than try to manage it more efficiently.

The solutions to our problems won't come from Obama, but from us, the majority who know what human need really means.

It's time to organize.

America in Crisis

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cngiff
Posted by: cngiff on Jan 23, 2009 6:25 AM   
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Well Said, Marie!

My local Obama campaign office was shocked when I told them the only field work I'd be willing to volunteer to organize a local Suicide Bombers for OBama Team.

I mean, when you find that someone has invaded your home with the obvious intent of killing you, what is an appropriate response? There are no "Conservatives" today. That group was hijacked years ago by fascist thugs. The Ratpublican Party is a Fascist thug front group. They hate me and the America that I love. They have been overtly and covertly working to destroy my America since the end of WWII. Fascism is the opposite of patriotism--it is the worst kind of treason. I hate traitors, whether you call them fascists, or Ratpublicans or conservatives.

Making nice with these wretched scumbags is insanity.

C N Giff, Springfield, Missouri

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Obambi
Posted by: beandang on Jan 23, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Why is Obama worried about Gitmo? Who cares about Gitmo. cl early we have MUCH more pressing issues at hand. I am starting the think he will not be able to "walk the walk" afterall!

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Of course the Republicans should work with us.
Posted by: saadasim on Jan 23, 2009 6:40 AM   
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First, they can start with disinfecting the White House and Congress. They can then start polishing Obama's shoes.

Then we can start coming together.

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IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 23, 2009 6:43 AM   
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The Republicans should be working with the President. They owe the country their best effort to help heal the country that they helped their republican president destroy. ANNA

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Evolving...
Posted by: freelyb on Jan 23, 2009 7:07 AM   
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I believe we could best acknowledge Republicans in the same way we acknowledge the needs of our growing children. They don't always know what's best for themselves, and they won't like it if we pull them away from the cookie jar before they are ready. Nevertheless, as a parent you do what you have to do because you know more about nutrition and about self-discipline, etc.

Is it accurate to compare contemporary Republicans to children? I believe so, and the intent is not malicious. In every social group, there is a natural hierarchy of development. It is vertical, not horizontal, and the ultimate goal lies at the top where the greatest culmination of wisdom and human development lie. It's not a matter of left or right, but progressive or regressive. Currently, the top of this hierarchy in America is occupied by progressive thinkers. We must raise our sights and move upward for the sake of all, whether they like it or not.

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Stockholm Syndrome
Posted by: ClassAct on Jan 23, 2009 7:10 AM   
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It is always good policy to consult the ideas of those who hold you hostage. Boldness requires that we take the weapons from the hands of those who hold the nation's prosperity hostage to their demands.

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I agree but.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 23, 2009 7:51 AM   
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You know democrats are always trying to be "bipartisan", the only problem is that the people they want to work with are not ever trying to compromise! After 30 years of trickle down, de-regulation, and avarice that has only benefited the top 5% of this nations people, the time has come to stop with the "bipartisan" angle!

Tax breaks for the rich and corporate, bailouts that only benefit the upper income brackets, enough! The time is now to push through a much more progressive agenda that benefits the 90% of real working Americans! Health-care for everyone, schools that really educate our children, tear down the Military-Industrial-Complex, no more tax breaks for off-shoring jobs, rewrite that Farm Bill for Agri-business over the family farmer, more investment in renewable energy, etc.! Enough with the "bipartisan" stuff, after all Repugnikans only consider it being "bipartisan" when they get their way!!!!

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Boehner continues to be RED
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Jan 23, 2009 7:55 AM   
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Bush was in office 2,920 days; Obama 4. Bush was responsible for the killing of more than 4,000 American lives and hundreds of thousands of lives of Iraqis, left Americans with the worst deficit and debt in American history, rewarded Wall Street, Oil companies, Pharmaceutical companies, allowed jobs to be shipped overseas, presented Wall Street with a $350,000,000,000 blank check of taxpayer money with no oversight, set up illegal prisons, ignored American Law and the US Constitution, and all this was supported by Republicans!
Republicans want to continue to jeopardize any possibility of recovery for America. They gave HUGE tax cuts to the wealthy and Wall Street and yet they want MORE tax cuts! Their action demonstrates their lack of fortitude to solve this huge economic crisis and shows they have no new ideas on how to fix our economy. Giving more tax cuts is not going to help, if there is no money going into the treasury, soon the treasure will be empty and all Americans will truly understand what a depression really is.
Republicans have cost Americans millions of jobs yet they offer no solution on how to create jobs. Republicans stood against funding infrastructure projects to rebuild our crumbling highways and bridges, but poured hundreds of billions of tax dollars into rebuilding Iraq.
They probably should be arrested and jailed because what they have done to Americans in mismanaging the public trust and treasury is no different than what Bernie Madoff has done. While America's economy burns, Republicans continue to play politics.
Having said that, it is in America’s best interest for Republicans to work with the new administration and support the United States, not just the Red ones and get America back in the black.

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The New Occupants of Guantanamo Bay
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 23, 2009 9:19 AM   
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Considering republicans have had the last 8 years with
Posted by: sonofloud2 on Jan 23, 2009 9:44 AM   
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2 of those years in complete control of every branch of the government (including the supreme court) I would say Obama should work very little to not at all with them.

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problem with ignoring Republicans: pisses off their owners
Posted by: yurbud on Jan 23, 2009 10:58 AM   
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A lot of us were pissed off that Reid and Pelosi gave in to nearly all Bush demands even after they retook control of both chambers of congress and Bush's approval ratings were in the toilet and the public was ready to flush.

But one of the reasons they did so is understandable if not forgivable. It is not the GOP & Bush they are afraid of, but the patrons of the GOP, the very wealthy who can make life miserable for them by having the media declare them a loon or a traitor making it harder for them to get re-elected, or give them a nasty car wreck or plane crash.

The problem with fear of this financial elite is they MIGHT kill a pol who threatens their hold on power, but they are already killing the rest of us with their scams, outsourcing, foreclosures, credit cards, and the like.

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Not All Republicans Are Totally Corrupt Shape-shifting Reptilians
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 23, 2009 10:57 AM   
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Most of them are just as Brainwashed as the rest of the human race.

Some actually make sense, have an extremly good understanding of the World as it really is and are also completely honourable people with the utmost integrity

And who hate the Bush neocon Cabal even more than Left Wing Progressives.

It's not a question of Left Versus Right

More a question of Right Versus Wrong

This label thing is getting silly

I can see good and bad in all political parties

To suggest that Obama shouldn't work with Republicans is ridiculous

The way that IRA Terrorism was finally defeated was through complete infilitration at the deepest level

The Terrorists finally realised that they had no way of telling which side their most trusted fellow Terrorists were on - so they came to a deal

The Daft thing about the situation with Northern Ireland where the Catholics and Protestants were killing each other was that The English just wished both sides would simply Fuck Off

We couldn't give a fuck about their religious differences. There is no way we wanted to continue to have Northern Ireland associated with us

They not only were Irish - but the Northern Irish spoke with a Really Harsh cutting accent

Us English wanted the Southern Irish back

The Northern Irish Could Go and Fuck Themselves

Dublin is Lovely

We wanted them to take the lunatics off our hands

And they said - what that lot?

Are you serious?

They are all Mad

Tony

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Obama, How "close" to Republicans or to Zionists behind Republicans and Democrats?
Posted by: Artra on Jan 23, 2009 11:13 AM   
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First the context and then wht it has to do with Obama.

People from abroad USA, not necessarily muslims, or submitted or "underdevelopped" countries ...but even jewish people outside USA, denounce Zionist power, specially in USA. How can this hypothesis be cleared if even it is kind of forbidden to mention it?

Why is it so difficult, at least, to the majority northamericans to read what is happening? For instance:

How true is it that Caroline Kennedy was threatend to death by mossad if she continued her quest and that Hillary and WH Legal Counsel Greg Craig "knew" about it?

How far the point goes with this Jew-Zionist-taboo that even Alternet puts Hamas and Israel State at the same level of "responsability"?
http://www.bollyn.info/home/

Is it that, in the deep unconciusness, do northamericans feel some kind of repetition of their history, through Palestinian land robbery situation or is it just due to an immense Zionist influence in USA?

Now, Obama obeys taboo-submitted northamericans or Obama clearly knows who has the power in USA ?

For summer it is expected, the IV phase of the systemic crisis, the USA consumers and USA bank insolvency (No. 31, GEAB).

If it happens to be that more of Zionist's organisations, than financial mights in general, are at the top of all in USA and having the adventage that it is forbidden to even think about its possibility:

Will "those" powers be able to hide facts (who did even profit by it and where did it go) behind a loss of 10 trillion dollars by that time?

How far, how late, will Obama can go without pointing who, why and how strong oppose to redress the financial system?

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the asnwer to the title question is ZERO...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Jan 23, 2009 12:22 PM   
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fuck the repugnicans...

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Closing down Guantanamo? Or is it really about pardoning Bush and that Klan?
Posted by: logansafi on Jan 23, 2009 1:41 PM   
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Barack Obama so far reminds me of how Gerald Ford ended the Watergate image problem that Nixon caused by just one tiny aspect of his criminality by pardoning his former running mate. The message given was that Presidents are always above the law, and we got Dubya and Cheney because of that.

Barack is moving to pardon these 2, isn't he, and that's what all his first edicts about Guantanamo are really much about? The tortured continue to remain in GITMO and elsewhere, while Barack sends yet more troops to occupy Afghanistan and bomb yet more civilians there. This is an effort to change US government image and not so much else... by Gerald Obama.

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Answer:
Posted by: sausage on Jan 23, 2009 1:47 PM   
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Not at all.

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Should Obama Work with Republicans?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 23, 2009 2:43 PM   
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Should a bear wear a hunting jacket?

Should a Hindu Fakir, while charming a snake, take his eyes off the cobra?

Should a deaf man aspire to become a sonar technician?

Should a blind man drive an automobile?

:P

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Inclusiveness Yes, Evasiveness No
Posted by: noir on Jan 23, 2009 3:43 PM   
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I hope fervently that Obama's commitment to inclusiveness does not lead him astray in this regard. It is a fine idea to get blue and red at least talking to one another so long as by those terms one means ordinary Americans. But compromising with hard right Republican politicians and mouthpieces is something else again. As has been pointed out by many, these people do not themselves embrace compromise and reconciliation when they hold the seats of power. They will meet Obama in the middle over the next four years only for strategic reasons, to try to obstruct and blunt progressive policies that we are desperately in need of. And think of the comprehensive lingering damage that bunch has inflicted under W. It isn't as though all that can be rectified through a benevolent, diplomatic centrist approach. It would be great to have a country in which there could be discord without divisiveness. But a fixation with "reaching out" carries with it the prospect of more damaging forms of fragmentation--and can be, as well, an excuse for not directing full energy towards implementing policies that are complex, difficult, and at times politically risky.

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SHEEPLE ALL SHEEPLE
Posted by: realdem08 on Jan 23, 2009 3:51 PM   
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Are you all really so blind that you believe there's a difference between the 2 parties? Grow up. They all take money from the same industries that rule our world.

Any difference between Hillary's foreign policy and Bush's? How many wonderful Democrats voted for FISA? Partriot Act?

Both made sure a third party would never get as close a Ross Perot again.

It's all about staying in office/power.

It's all a game, a charade, perpetrated by both parties and the media partners and you buy it hook, line & sinker.

When we have a Labor Party or a real viable option to business as usual then we'll get this country back.

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Yada, yada, yada
Posted by: willymack on Jan 23, 2009 6:34 PM   
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The rethugs should be decertified and swept out the door. Name ONE goddam thing they've done for the good of the common citizen in the past 50 years, ONE THING.

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Don't Forget Infrastructure!
Posted by: Lilly on Jan 24, 2009 8:04 AM   
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Last night on TV a pie chart was shown, first as the stimulus package originally apportioned money and second as it does so now. A huge part of what was supposed to go to repair our power grids, railroads, bridges etc now goes to tax cuts---to appease the Republicans. President Obama, please don't do this. We need safe bridges more than we need Mr Boehner.

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Can we keep at "war" with the world? Yes we can !!!
Posted by: adamskiinasia on Jan 24, 2009 6:25 PM   
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I love to read articles that make the republicans the evil empire as though the dems are helpless to do anything about it. Chomsky had it right in saying that there is very little difference between Obama and McCain. They are from the business party. Different factions but the same party. Case in point: the Dems (remember the people that controlled lawmaking ?) not opposing one thing over the last 2 years that Bush has announced. Surveillance and wiretapping, waterboarding, Guantanamo, foreign base building (including on Muslim land) , the list goes on and on and on.

Obama has already been spinning MORE involvement in Afghanistan as though he never heard of Ho Chi Min or the Mujahadeen (both victorious freedom fighters by the way). He and his advisors know two important things about America: 1) it thinks its rightious 2) it loves a fight.

So people, I know you dont want to hear it but until I see a president oppose what the Israelis are doing to Arabs and not what the Arabs are doing to the poor defenseless Israelis, until I see a president end this corporate adventure of War Inc for the good of the Pentagon and arms makers. To keep American influence strong and constant and dollars flowing to whomever covert ops wanted, they invented the war on drugs to maintain its influence south of the U.S border. In Europe and central Asia they have their War on Terror and in Asia they have their everlasting war on Communism and tyraniccal regimes (N.Korea, China , Burma, and anyone who dares to kick out the CIA).

So lets hear it, can we manage to keep the status quo and all that is evil about America? Yes, we can !!!

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How Much Should Obama Work with Republicans?
Posted by: YogiBear on Jan 25, 2009 12:27 AM   
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As much as is needed, and not one iota more.

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Yes, First to dismantle the "Office of Faith Based Initiatives"
Posted by: bbq on Jan 26, 2009 1:59 PM   
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We should all work together with the Repugs to get rid of this bullshit. An "Office of Faith-based" ANYTHING does not belong in our government.

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Obama Head On or eely snake in the grass?
Posted by: pbr90 on Jan 29, 2009 6:32 AM   
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If Obama lives up to his oratories, he will meet Republicans head on, just as he met Democrats head on.

If not, one may presume that his election is a farce, or fraud, upon the election system.

What decision could be simpler?

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Join US Or Become Irrelevant
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 23, 2009 12:23 AM   
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Call them on everything. Spell out the differences clearly. Make sure no republican goes unopposed in the next election. Target the hard a*ses. Take no prisoners.

The election is over & has consequences. They lost- badly. Two elections in a row.

Let's roll.

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Barack is a Brilliant Manager But Is He a Leader ?
Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 23, 2009 1:13 AM   
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Therein lies the question ... So far we have seen a brilliantly managed campaign and transition but we have seen very little in the way of leadership.

The Stimulus Plan suggests he is not a Leader. He has compromised to all the worst theories the Republicans have to offer ... tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts ...

Above all a leader has to have values and goals, Obama seems all about consensus, a consensus that will prove to be tragically wrong for what ails us and our economy.

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Entitlements
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 23, 2009 2:34 AM   
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Not a bad article. And very good point about the so-called "entitlements".

The problem, I suppose, is that Obama was not elected on a new-sheriff-in-town platform, but rather, the idea of bringing the US together as one with a common set of values and goals.

Of course, in reality there is no such thing. I agree with the article: What's the point of compromising with the zealots, ideas and policies that have dragged us into this rut? All the polarization has occurred for a darn good reason, or rather, a long list of darn good reasons.

However much Obama wants to deny the realities of politics, there is very much a Red America and a Blue America. No amount of oratory skills and charisma are going to convert Red America.

He promised one big happy family that's impossible to deliver. His cabinet choices and other compromises mentioned in the article are just trying to keep up the pretense. And those on the progressive side who bought into the big speeches about hope, bringing the love back, and all that other crap shouldn't be too surprised or feel too betrayed, because it's more or less what they asked for.

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Reminder: Republicans are traitors
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 23, 2009 3:38 AM   
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It would be much smarter to declare martial law and arrest all Republicans.

The last eight years have shown us that today's Republicans are degenerates, traitors, and war criminals. If they weren't so incredibly incompetent, we'd be living in a fascist dictatorship right now.

If Obama reaches out to them, he's sure to pull back a bloody stump. So to speak.

Remember that the Republicans stole two successive Presidential elections. Remember also that stealing a Presidential election is not a dirty trick--it is an act of war. Our nation is in a state of undeclared civil war. Watch your hand, Mr. President.

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How much should Obama work with Republicans?
Posted by: photon's feather on Jan 23, 2009 3:59 AM   
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Perhaps about as much as Bush worked with Democrats.

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When will the damn party be over!
Posted by: 2thepoint on Jan 23, 2009 4:00 AM   
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How much should Obama work with republicans?.. What an ignorant article.. The problem with politics in this country is that one party seems to feel it's their mandate to ignor the other. The democrats are doing a fine job of this in congress right now..The repubs most likely did it to the dems.

They dont get it.. They aren't there to ignore the other guy..They are supposed to be there to work to make the country better. To work together..

Obama gets it... the rest of the insane party hacks don't seem to get it and obviously the looney left thinks it's THEIR country.

With a mindset such as this we will never be more than what we are now..a 2 party mess!

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It is not about Democrats versus Republicans
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Jan 23, 2009 5:15 AM   
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The simple fact that the democratically controlled Congress could not even bring to the floor a bill of impeachment clearly shows that there is another power controlling both parties. There is much evidence pointing to the control of Congress by the military-industrial oil central banking complex. One other controlling element Re: foreign affairs is AIPAC, the Israeli lobby.

The Bailout and the printing of trillions of dollars by the Federal Reserve Bank is just one of the last steps in the fascist takeover of every aspect on this country and the implementation of a one world government and monetary system by the military-industrial oil central private banking complex.

Anyone who is analyzing the situation and espousing there own opinion as to how bad the economic turndown will get and does not espouse the immediate change in the monetary system by eliminating the Federal Reserve Bank is being disingenuous. They cannot be trusted because the underlying core problem is that the monetary system in this country is completely controlled by a for-profit private cartel of banks.
Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, John F. Kennedy and many more politicians and private citizens throughout the course of the history of this country knew that a private central bank controlling the supply of money in this country and creating debt every time money is printed will only enrich the bankers and enslave the people of this country.
This current monetary system must be replaced with a resource based system. Please go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and watch the Zeitgeist Addendum movie which is on my homepage.

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Don't worry, he'll keep "working" with the GOP just like the rest of the Democrats.
Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 23, 2009 5:43 AM   
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And most of them deserve 1st place for being the greatest rollover dumb dog pansies ! Glad I voted Nader !

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Bipartisanship serves the Corporate agenda
Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Jan 23, 2009 5:51 AM   
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Bipartisanship is the cover that every president uses to explain why he cannot keep his promises to the people and must, instead, continue to serve the Corporate agenda.

We must stop expecting any leader of the capitalist system to do more than try to manage it more efficiently.

The solutions to our problems won't come from Obama, but from us, the majority who know what human need really means.

It's time to organize.

America in Crisis

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cngiff
Posted by: cngiff on Jan 23, 2009 6:25 AM   
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Well Said, Marie!

My local Obama campaign office was shocked when I told them the only field work I'd be willing to volunteer to organize a local Suicide Bombers for OBama Team.

I mean, when you find that someone has invaded your home with the obvious intent of killing you, what is an appropriate response? There are no "Conservatives" today. That group was hijacked years ago by fascist thugs. The Ratpublican Party is a Fascist thug front group. They hate me and the America that I love. They have been overtly and covertly working to destroy my America since the end of WWII. Fascism is the opposite of patriotism--it is the worst kind of treason. I hate traitors, whether you call them fascists, or Ratpublicans or conservatives.

Making nice with these wretched scumbags is insanity.

C N Giff, Springfield, Missouri

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Obambi
Posted by: beandang on Jan 23, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Why is Obama worried about Gitmo? Who cares about Gitmo. cl early we have MUCH more pressing issues at hand. I am starting the think he will not be able to "walk the walk" afterall!

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Of course the Republicans should work with us.
Posted by: saadasim on Jan 23, 2009 6:40 AM   
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First, they can start with disinfecting the White House and Congress. They can then start polishing Obama's shoes.

Then we can start coming together.

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IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 23, 2009 6:43 AM   
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The Republicans should be working with the President. They owe the country their best effort to help heal the country that they helped their republican president destroy. ANNA

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Evolving...
Posted by: freelyb on Jan 23, 2009 7:07 AM   
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I believe we could best acknowledge Republicans in the same way we acknowledge the needs of our growing children. They don't always know what's best for themselves, and they won't like it if we pull them away from the cookie jar before they are ready. Nevertheless, as a parent you do what you have to do because you know more about nutrition and about self-discipline, etc.

Is it accurate to compare contemporary Republicans to children? I believe so, and the intent is not malicious. In every social group, there is a natural hierarchy of development. It is vertical, not horizontal, and the ultimate goal lies at the top where the greatest culmination of wisdom and human development lie. It's not a matter of left or right, but progressive or regressive. Currently, the top of this hierarchy in America is occupied by progressive thinkers. We must raise our sights and move upward for the sake of all, whether they like it or not.

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Stockholm Syndrome
Posted by: ClassAct on Jan 23, 2009 7:10 AM   
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It is always good policy to consult the ideas of those who hold you hostage. Boldness requires that we take the weapons from the hands of those who hold the nation's prosperity hostage to their demands.

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I agree but.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 23, 2009 7:51 AM   
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You know democrats are always trying to be "bipartisan", the only problem is that the people they want to work with are not ever trying to compromise! After 30 years of trickle down, de-regulation, and avarice that has only benefited the top 5% of this nations people, the time has come to stop with the "bipartisan" angle!

Tax breaks for the rich and corporate, bailouts that only benefit the upper income brackets, enough! The time is now to push through a much more progressive agenda that benefits the 90% of real working Americans! Health-care for everyone, schools that really educate our children, tear down the Military-Industrial-Complex, no more tax breaks for off-shoring jobs, rewrite that Farm Bill for Agri-business over the family farmer, more investment in renewable energy, etc.! Enough with the "bipartisan" stuff, after all Repugnikans only consider it being "bipartisan" when they get their way!!!!

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Boehner continues to be RED
Posted by: TexasCowboy on Jan 23, 2009 7:55 AM   
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Bush was in office 2,920 days; Obama 4. Bush was responsible for the killing of more than 4,000 American lives and hundreds of thousands of lives of Iraqis, left Americans with the worst deficit and debt in American history, rewarded Wall Street, Oil companies, Pharmaceutical companies, allowed jobs to be shipped overseas, presented Wall Street with a $350,000,000,000 blank check of taxpayer money with no oversight, set up illegal prisons, ignored American Law and the US Constitution, and all this was supported by Republicans!
Republicans want to continue to jeopardize any possibility of recovery for America. They gave HUGE tax cuts to the wealthy and Wall Street and yet they want MORE tax cuts! Their action demonstrates their lack of fortitude to solve this huge economic crisis and shows they have no new ideas on how to fix our economy. Giving more tax cuts is not going to help, if there is no money going into the treasury, soon the treasure will be empty and all Americans will truly understand what a depression really is.
Republicans have cost Americans millions of jobs yet they offer no solution on how to create jobs. Republicans stood against funding infrastructure projects to rebuild our crumbling highways and bridges, but poured hundreds of billions of tax dollars into rebuilding Iraq.
They probably should be arrested and jailed because what they have done to Americans in mismanaging the public trust and treasury is no different than what Bernie Madoff has done. While America's economy burns, Republicans continue to play politics.
Having said that, it is in America’s best interest for Republicans to work with the new administration and support the United States, not just the Red ones and get America back in the black.

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The New Occupants of Guantanamo Bay
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 23, 2009 9:19 AM   
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Considering republicans have had the last 8 years with
Posted by: sonofloud2 on Jan 23, 2009 9:44 AM   
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2 of those years in complete control of every branch of the government (including the supreme court) I would say Obama should work very little to not at all with them.

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problem with ignoring Republicans: pisses off their owners
Posted by: yurbud on Jan 23, 2009 10:58 AM   
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A lot of us were pissed off that Reid and Pelosi gave in to nearly all Bush demands even after they retook control of both chambers of congress and Bush's approval ratings were in the toilet and the public was ready to flush.

But one of the reasons they did so is understandable if not forgivable. It is not the GOP & Bush they are afraid of, but the patrons of the GOP, the very wealthy who can make life miserable for them by having the media declare them a loon or a traitor making it harder for them to get re-elected, or give them a nasty car wreck or plane crash.

The problem with fear of this financial elite is they MIGHT kill a pol who threatens their hold on power, but they are already killing the rest of us with their scams, outsourcing, foreclosures, credit cards, and the like.

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Not All Republicans Are Totally Corrupt Shape-shifting Reptilians
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 23, 2009 10:57 AM   
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Most of them are just as Brainwashed as the rest of the human race.

Some actually make sense, have an extremly good understanding of the World as it really is and are also completely honourable people with the utmost integrity

And who hate the Bush neocon Cabal even more than Left Wing Progressives.

It's not a question of Left Versus Right

More a question of Right Versus Wrong

This label thing is getting silly

I can see good and bad in all political parties

To suggest that Obama shouldn't work with Republicans is ridiculous

The way that IRA Terrorism was finally defeated was through complete infilitration at the deepest level

The Terrorists finally realised that they had no way of telling which side their most trusted fellow Terrorists were on - so they came to a deal

The Daft thing about the situation with Northern Ireland where the Catholics and Protestants were killing each other was that The English just wished both sides would simply Fuck Off

We couldn't give a fuck about their religious differences. There is no way we wanted to continue to have Northern Ireland associated with us

They not only were Irish - but the Northern Irish spoke with a Really Harsh cutting accent

Us English wanted the Southern Irish back

The Northern Irish Could Go and Fuck Themselves

Dublin is Lovely

We wanted them to take the lunatics off our hands

And they said - what that lot?

Are you serious?

They are all Mad

Tony

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Obama, How "close" to Republicans or to Zionists behind Republicans and Democrats?
Posted by: Artra on Jan 23, 2009 11:13 AM   
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First the context and then wht it has to do with Obama.

People from abroad USA, not necessarily muslims, or submitted or "underdevelopped" countries ...but even jewish people outside USA, denounce Zionist power, specially in USA. How can this hypothesis be cleared if even it is kind of forbidden to mention it?

Why is it so difficult, at least, to the majority northamericans to read what is happening? For instance:

How true is it that Caroline Kennedy was threatend to death by mossad if she continued her quest and that Hillary and WH Legal Counsel Greg Craig "knew" about it?

How far the point goes with this Jew-Zionist-taboo that even Alternet puts Hamas and Israel State at the same level of "responsability"?
http://www.bollyn.info/home/

Is it that, in the deep unconciusness, do northamericans feel some kind of repetition of their history, through Palestinian land robbery situation or is it just due to an immense Zionist influence in USA?

Now, Obama obeys taboo-submitted northamericans or Obama clearly knows who has the power in USA ?

For summer it is expected, the IV phase of the systemic crisis, the USA consumers and USA bank insolvency (No. 31, GEAB).

If it happens to be that more of Zionist's organisations, than financial mights in general, are at the top of all in USA and having the adventage that it is forbidden to even think about its possibility:

Will "those" powers be able to hide facts (who did even profit by it and where did it go) behind a loss of 10 trillion dollars by that time?

How far, how late, will Obama can go without pointing who, why and how strong oppose to redress the financial system?

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the asnwer to the title question is ZERO...
Posted by: Annapurna1 on Jan 23, 2009 12:22 PM   
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fuck the repugnicans...

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Closing down Guantanamo? Or is it really about pardoning Bush and that Klan?
Posted by: logansafi on Jan 23, 2009 1:41 PM   
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Barack Obama so far reminds me of how Gerald Ford ended the Watergate image problem that Nixon caused by just one tiny aspect of his criminality by pardoning his former running mate. The message given was that Presidents are always above the law, and we got Dubya and Cheney because of that.

Barack is moving to pardon these 2, isn't he, and that's what all his first edicts about Guantanamo are really much about? The tortured continue to remain in GITMO and elsewhere, while Barack sends yet more troops to occupy Afghanistan and bomb yet more civilians there. This is an effort to change US government image and not so much else... by Gerald Obama.

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Answer:
Posted by: sausage on Jan 23, 2009 1:47 PM   
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Not at all.

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Should Obama Work with Republicans?
Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 23, 2009 2:43 PM   
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Should a bear wear a hunting jacket?

Should a Hindu Fakir, while charming a snake, take his eyes off the cobra?

Should a deaf man aspire to become a sonar technician?

Should a blind man drive an automobile?

:P

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Inclusiveness Yes, Evasiveness No
Posted by: noir on Jan 23, 2009 3:43 PM   
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I hope fervently that Obama's commitment to inclusiveness does not lead him astray in this regard. It is a fine idea to get blue and red at least talking to one another so long as by those terms one means ordinary Americans. But compromising with hard right Republican politicians and mouthpieces is something else again. As has been pointed out by many, these people do not themselves embrace compromise and reconciliation when they hold the seats of power. They will meet Obama in the middle over the next four years only for strategic reasons, to try to obstruct and blunt progressive policies that we are desperately in need of. And think of the comprehensive lingering damage that bunch has inflicted under W. It isn't as though all that can be rectified through a benevolent, diplomatic centrist approach. It would be great to have a country in which there could be discord without divisiveness. But a fixation with "reaching out" carries with it the prospect of more damaging forms of fragmentation--and can be, as well, an excuse for not directing full energy towards implementing policies that are complex, difficult, and at times politically risky.

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SHEEPLE ALL SHEEPLE
Posted by: realdem08 on Jan 23, 2009 3:51 PM   
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Are you all really so blind that you believe there's a difference between the 2 parties? Grow up. They all take money from the same industries that rule our world.

Any difference between Hillary's foreign policy and Bush's? How many wonderful Democrats voted for FISA? Partriot Act?

Both made sure a third party would never get as close a Ross Perot again.

It's all about staying in office/power.

It's all a game, a charade, perpetrated by both parties and the media partners and you buy it hook, line & sinker.

When we have a Labor Party or a real viable option to business as usual then we'll get this country back.

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Yada, yada, yada
Posted by: willymack on Jan 23, 2009 6:34 PM   
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The rethugs should be decertified and swept out the door. Name ONE goddam thing they've done for the good of the common citizen in the past 50 years, ONE THING.

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Don't Forget Infrastructure!
Posted by: Lilly on Jan 24, 2009 8:04 AM   
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Last night on TV a pie chart was shown, first as the stimulus package originally apportioned money and second as it does so now. A huge part of what was supposed to go to repair our power grids, railroads, bridges etc now goes to tax cuts---to appease the Republicans. President Obama, please don't do this. We need safe bridges more than we need Mr Boehner.

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Can we keep at "war" with the world? Yes we can !!!
Posted by: adamskiinasia on Jan 24, 2009 6:25 PM   
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I love to read articles that make the republicans the evil empire as though the dems are helpless to do anything about it. Chomsky had it right in saying that there is very little difference between Obama and McCain. They are from the business party. Different factions but the same party. Case in point: the Dems (remember the people that controlled lawmaking ?) not opposing one thing over the last 2 years that Bush has announced. Surveillance and wiretapping, waterboarding, Guantanamo, foreign base building (including on Muslim land) , the list goes on and on and on.

Obama has already been spinning MORE involvement in Afghanistan as though he never heard of Ho Chi Min or the Mujahadeen (both victorious freedom fighters by the way). He and his advisors know two important things about America: 1) it thinks its rightious 2) it loves a fight.

So people, I know you dont want to hear it but until I see a president oppose what the Israelis are doing to Arabs and not what the Arabs are doing to the poor defenseless Israelis, until I see a president end this corporate adventure of War Inc for the good of the Pentagon and arms makers. To keep American influence strong and constant and dollars flowing to whomever covert ops wanted, they invented the war on drugs to maintain its influence south of the U.S border. In Europe and central Asia they have their War on Terror and in Asia they have their everlasting war on Communism and tyraniccal regimes (N.Korea, China , Burma, and anyone who dares to kick out the CIA).

So lets hear it, can we manage to keep the status quo and all that is evil about America? Yes, we can !!!

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How Much Should Obama Work with Republicans?
Posted by: YogiBear on Jan 25, 2009 12:27 AM   
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As much as is needed, and not one iota more.

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Yes, First to dismantle the "Office of Faith Based Initiatives"
Posted by: bbq on Jan 26, 2009 1:59 PM   
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We should all work together with the Repugs to get rid of this bullshit. An "Office of Faith-based" ANYTHING does not belong in our government.

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Obama Head On or eely snake in the grass?
Posted by: pbr90 on Jan 29, 2009 6:32 AM   
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If Obama lives up to his oratories, he will meet Republicans head on, just as he met Democrats head on.

If not, one may presume that his election is a farce, or fraud, upon the election system.

What decision could be simpler?

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