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How Much Should Obama Work with Republicans?
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As the nation celebrated a day of uplift, Wall Street delivered a brutal downdraft. Even as Barack Obama was taking the oath of office, the markets plunged -- the Dow dropped more than 300 points, and broader indexes slumped on jitters about shaky banks. It was the worst Inauguration Day performance in more than a century of trading.
Wild swings on Wall Street are but one sign that no one really knows where we are economically, let alone where we are going. When Obama, known for his elegant optimism, spoke of "gathering clouds and raging storms" in his inaugural address, it seemed to be implied that not even he knows how to navigate them. If he meant to say we have nothing to fear but fear itself, it did not come across. We have, frankly, an awful lot to fear, and Obama seemed to tell us that.
Few analysts believe the perilous economic situation will improve anytime soon. The consensus is that we aren't to expect anything resembling a return to economic normalcy -- whatever that looks like without a housing bubble or a tech boom or loose credit -- until about 2010.
But beyond a mammoth economic stimulus package that is to be the first order of business for the new president and Congress, it is difficult to tell exactly what Obama plans. His campaign was a gauzy celebration of new-generation hope and a recognition of historic racial progress. Yet above all, his election was a primal scream against the policies and legacies of George W. Bush.
Obama's own ideology remains obscure, wrapped in a youthful, congenial and confident persona. We do not yet know what, exactly, lies underneath. With so little time in federal office, Obama has scant history of taking tough stands or making difficult choices. He has not revealed an overarching worldview and bristles at the notion that he should. His transition to power was soothing, yet his insistence that he will engage with anyone who wishes to offer ideas is, in its own way, troubling.
The root of our financial crisis is that for much of the past three decades, we have implemented very bad economic ideas. Obama seems at the very same time to get this and not get it. The question, he said in his inaugural address, is not whether the market is a force for good or ill. He noted that "without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control" and that "the nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous."
Nonetheless, he keeps telling congressional Republicans that he will work with them -- even though they are among the chief architects of this disaster. Since the Reagan era, Republicans have put tax cuts ahead of all other economic policies, and deregulation a close second. They have stuffed wallets that already were plump, left the broad middle class staggering and allowed the working class to become the working poor.
If these politicians that Obama so fervently wishes to engage have such good ideas to offer, why have they not done so? In fact, there are few Washington traditions as annoying as the cultish worship of bipartisanship, for it ignores the simple fact that sometimes one party gets things disastrously wrong.
Another is the mantra that "entitlements" -- that is Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- are costly, bloated and threaten the nation's economic future. Obama already has pledged to undertake "entitlement reform," a phrase that sends a shudder down my spine. With banks and other financial institutions now "entitled" to hundreds of billions in public money to bail them out of disastrous decisions, it is impossible to see why taxpayers who have paid for their future benefits through their payroll taxes should not be "entitled" to receive them. Besides, since there is no immediate crisis in Medicare -- and certainly not in the healthier Social Security program -- there isn't even a reason to mention this right now.
The ease with which Obama glides through political rituals is amazing. So is his ability to soothe while talking about disturbing truths.
Yet, symbolism soon will fade as Obama becomes the decider. To decide is to disappoint, even anger, those who haven't gotten their way, and frankly shouldn't. My hope for the new president is that he understands this and is willing to take the hits.
Marie Cocco's e-mail address is mariecocco@washpost.com.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 23, 2009 12:23 AM
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The election is over & has consequences. They lost- badly. Two elections in a row.
Let's roll.
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» The pendulum is still swinging.
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» The pendulum is still swinging.
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» RE: Join US Or Become Irrelevant; yes! But also, don't forget
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 23, 2009 1:13 AM
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The Stimulus Plan suggests he is not a Leader. He has compromised to all the worst theories the Republicans have to offer ... tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts ...
Above all a leader has to have values and goals, Obama seems all about consensus, a consensus that will prove to be tragically wrong for what ails us and our economy.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 23, 2009 2:34 AM
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The problem, I suppose, is that Obama was not elected on a new-sheriff-in-town platform, but rather, the idea of bringing the US together as one with a common set of values and goals.
Of course, in reality there is no such thing. I agree with the article: What's the point of compromising with the zealots, ideas and policies that have dragged us into this rut? All the polarization has occurred for a darn good reason, or rather, a long list of darn good reasons.
However much Obama wants to deny the realities of politics, there is very much a Red America and a Blue America. No amount of oratory skills and charisma are going to convert Red America.
He promised one big happy family that's impossible to deliver. His cabinet choices and other compromises mentioned in the article are just trying to keep up the pretense. And those on the progressive side who bought into the big speeches about hope, bringing the love back, and all that other crap shouldn't be too surprised or feel too betrayed, because it's more or less what they asked for.
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» He hasn't promised a happy family. He's attempting to acknowledge ALL Americans, red and blue
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 23, 2009 3:38 AM
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The last eight years have shown us that today's Republicans are degenerates, traitors, and war criminals. If they weren't so incredibly incompetent, we'd be living in a fascist dictatorship right now.
If Obama reaches out to them, he's sure to pull back a bloody stump. So to speak.
Remember that the Republicans stole two successive Presidential elections. Remember also that stealing a Presidential election is not a dirty trick--it is an act of war. Our nation is in a state of undeclared civil war. Watch your hand, Mr. President.
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» I'm hoping Obama gives them a dose of their own medicine
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» But Republican citizens aren't traitors, and Obama shouldn't give THEM any taste of what their
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» RE: eminder: Republicans are traitors
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» RE: eminder: Republicans are traitors
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» Republicans are traitors- everyday
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Posted by: photon's feather on Jan 23, 2009 3:59 AM
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» Why, so this continues forever?
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» RE: How much should Obama work with Republicans?
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Jan 23, 2009 4:00 AM
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They dont get it.. They aren't there to ignore the other guy..They are supposed to be there to work to make the country better. To work together..
Obama gets it... the rest of the insane party hacks don't seem to get it and obviously the looney left thinks it's THEIR country.
With a mindset such as this we will never be more than what we are now..a 2 party mess!
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» Someone with common since? Can this truly be?
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» RE: When will the damn party be over!
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» RE: When will the damn party be over!
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» RE: When will the damn party be over!
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» RE: When will the damn party be over!
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Jan 23, 2009 5:15 AM
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The Bailout and the printing of trillions of dollars by the Federal Reserve Bank is just one of the last steps in the fascist takeover of every aspect on this country and the implementation of a one world government and monetary system by the military-industrial oil central private banking complex.
Anyone who is analyzing the situation and espousing there own opinion as to how bad the economic turndown will get and does not espouse the immediate change in the monetary system by eliminating the Federal Reserve Bank is being disingenuous. They cannot be trusted because the underlying core problem is that the monetary system in this country is completely controlled by a for-profit private cartel of banks.
Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, John F. Kennedy and many more politicians and private citizens throughout the course of the history of this country knew that a private central bank controlling the supply of money in this country and creating debt every time money is printed will only enrich the bankers and enslave the people of this country.
This current monetary system must be replaced with a resource based system. Please go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and watch the Zeitgeist Addendum movie which is on my homepage.
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» RE: It is not about Democrats versus Republicans
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 23, 2009 5:43 AM
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» rollover dumb dog pansies? More of the highly effective third party Voter Outreach Program?
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» Nader may not have gotten any thanks to you Obama-ite obstructionists but the more Barry pisses off
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» RE: Don't worry, he'll keep "working" with the GOP just like the rest of the Democrats.
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» RE: Don't worry, he'll keep "working" with the GOP just like the rest of the Democrats.
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Jan 23, 2009 5:51 AM
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We must stop expecting any leader of the capitalist system to do more than try to manage it more efficiently.
The solutions to our problems won't come from Obama, but from us, the majority who know what human need really means.
It's time to organize.
America in Crisis
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» The problem is, it also serves citizens.
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» RE: Bipartisanship serves the Corporate agenda
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» RE: Bipartisanship serves the Corporate agenda
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Posted by: cngiff on Jan 23, 2009 6:25 AM
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My local Obama campaign office was shocked when I told them the only field work I'd be willing to volunteer to organize a local Suicide Bombers for OBama Team.
I mean, when you find that someone has invaded your home with the obvious intent of killing you, what is an appropriate response? There are no "Conservatives" today. That group was hijacked years ago by fascist thugs. The Ratpublican Party is a Fascist thug front group. They hate me and the America that I love. They have been overtly and covertly working to destroy my America since the end of WWII. Fascism is the opposite of patriotism--it is the worst kind of treason. I hate traitors, whether you call them fascists, or Ratpublicans or conservatives.
Making nice with these wretched scumbags is insanity.
C N Giff, Springfield, Missouri
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Posted by: beandang on Jan 23, 2009 6:31 AM
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» It's only been 36 hours...
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Posted by: saadasim on Jan 23, 2009 6:40 AM
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Then we can start coming together.
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» RE: Of course the Republicans should work with us.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 23, 2009 6:43 AM
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» Bullys on the playground...
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» RE: IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND
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» RE: IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND
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Posted by: freelyb on Jan 23, 2009 7:07 AM
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Is it accurate to compare contemporary Republicans to children? I believe so, and the intent is not malicious. In every social group, there is a natural hierarchy of development. It is vertical, not horizontal, and the ultimate goal lies at the top where the greatest culmination of wisdom and human development lie. It's not a matter of left or right, but progressive or regressive. Currently, the top of this hierarchy in America is occupied by progressive thinkers. We must raise our sights and move upward for the sake of all, whether they like it or not.
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Posted by: ClassAct on Jan 23, 2009 7:10 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 23, 2009 7:51 AM
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Tax breaks for the rich and corporate, bailouts that only benefit the upper income brackets, enough! The time is now to push through a much more progressive agenda that benefits the 90% of real working Americans! Health-care for everyone, schools that really educate our children, tear down the Military-Industrial-Complex, no more tax breaks for off-shoring jobs, rewrite that Farm Bill for Agri-business over the family farmer, more investment in renewable energy, etc.! Enough with the "bipartisan" stuff, after all Repugnikans only consider it being "bipartisan" when they get their way!!!!
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» Well said:
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Posted by: TexasCowboy on Jan 23, 2009 7:55 AM
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Republicans want to continue to jeopardize any possibility of recovery for America. They gave HUGE tax cuts to the wealthy and Wall Street and yet they want MORE tax cuts! Their action demonstrates their lack of fortitude to solve this huge economic crisis and shows they have no new ideas on how to fix our economy. Giving more tax cuts is not going to help, if there is no money going into the treasury, soon the treasure will be empty and all Americans will truly understand what a depression really is.
Republicans have cost Americans millions of jobs yet they offer no solution on how to create jobs. Republicans stood against funding infrastructure projects to rebuild our crumbling highways and bridges, but poured hundreds of billions of tax dollars into rebuilding Iraq.
They probably should be arrested and jailed because what they have done to Americans in mismanaging the public trust and treasury is no different than what Bernie Madoff has done. While America's economy burns, Republicans continue to play politics.
Having said that, it is in America’s best interest for Republicans to work with the new administration and support the United States, not just the Red ones and get America back in the black.
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» democratic Democrats?
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 23, 2009 9:19 AM
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» Do you really mean Bankers are worse than terrorists?
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» i wish!
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Posted by: sonofloud2 on Jan 23, 2009 9:44 AM
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Posted by: yurbud on Jan 23, 2009 10:58 AM
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But one of the reasons they did so is understandable if not forgivable. It is not the GOP & Bush they are afraid of, but the patrons of the GOP, the very wealthy who can make life miserable for them by having the media declare them a loon or a traitor making it harder for them to get re-elected, or give them a nasty car wreck or plane crash.
The problem with fear of this financial elite is they MIGHT kill a pol who threatens their hold on power, but they are already killing the rest of us with their scams, outsourcing, foreclosures, credit cards, and the like.
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» not that they put up a fight!
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 23, 2009 10:57 AM
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Some actually make sense, have an extremly good understanding of the World as it really is and are also completely honourable people with the utmost integrity
And who hate the Bush neocon Cabal even more than Left Wing Progressives.
It's not a question of Left Versus Right
More a question of Right Versus Wrong
This label thing is getting silly
I can see good and bad in all political parties
To suggest that Obama shouldn't work with Republicans is ridiculous
The way that IRA Terrorism was finally defeated was through complete infilitration at the deepest level
The Terrorists finally realised that they had no way of telling which side their most trusted fellow Terrorists were on - so they came to a deal
The Daft thing about the situation with Northern Ireland where the Catholics and Protestants were killing each other was that The English just wished both sides would simply Fuck Off
We couldn't give a fuck about their religious differences. There is no way we wanted to continue to have Northern Ireland associated with us
They not only were Irish - but the Northern Irish spoke with a Really Harsh cutting accent
Us English wanted the Southern Irish back
The Northern Irish Could Go and Fuck Themselves
Dublin is Lovely
We wanted them to take the lunatics off our hands
And they said - what that lot?
Are you serious?
They are all Mad
Tony
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Posted by: Artra on Jan 23, 2009 11:13 AM
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People from abroad USA, not necessarily muslims, or submitted or "underdevelopped" countries ...but even jewish people outside USA, denounce Zionist power, specially in USA. How can this hypothesis be cleared if even it is kind of forbidden to mention it?
Why is it so difficult, at least, to the majority northamericans to read what is happening? For instance:
How true is it that Caroline Kennedy was threatend to death by mossad if she continued her quest and that Hillary and WH Legal Counsel Greg Craig "knew" about it?
How far the point goes with this Jew-Zionist-taboo that even Alternet puts Hamas and Israel State at the same level of "responsability"?
http://www.bollyn.info/home/
Is it that, in the deep unconciusness, do northamericans feel some kind of repetition of their history, through Palestinian land robbery situation or is it just due to an immense Zionist influence in USA?
Now, Obama obeys taboo-submitted northamericans or Obama clearly knows who has the power in USA ?
For summer it is expected, the IV phase of the systemic crisis, the USA consumers and USA bank insolvency (No. 31, GEAB).
If it happens to be that more of Zionist's organisations, than financial mights in general, are at the top of all in USA and having the adventage that it is forbidden to even think about its possibility:
Will "those" powers be able to hide facts (who did even profit by it and where did it go) behind a loss of 10 trillion dollars by that time?
How far, how late, will Obama can go without pointing who, why and how strong oppose to redress the financial system?
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» Never Underestimate The Power of An American President - Especially One With Such Massive Worldwide
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» The power of a Persident relies on those who support him up and their organisation capacity.
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» Many Zionists write comments badly like this one above just to pretend to be Arab illiterates
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» RE: Obama, How "close" to Republicans or to Zionists behind Republicans and Democrats?
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Jan 23, 2009 12:22 PM
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Posted by: logansafi on Jan 23, 2009 1:41 PM
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Barack is moving to pardon these 2, isn't he, and that's what all his first edicts about Guantanamo are really much about? The tortured continue to remain in GITMO and elsewhere, while Barack sends yet more troops to occupy Afghanistan and bomb yet more civilians there. This is an effort to change US government image and not so much else... by Gerald Obama.
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Posted by: sausage on Jan 23, 2009 1:47 PM
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» Really?
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» Try this
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 23, 2009 2:43 PM
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Should a Hindu Fakir, while charming a snake, take his eyes off the cobra?
Should a deaf man aspire to become a sonar technician?
Should a blind man drive an automobile?
:P
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Posted by: noir on Jan 23, 2009 3:43 PM
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Posted by: realdem08 on Jan 23, 2009 3:51 PM
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Any difference between Hillary's foreign policy and Bush's? How many wonderful Democrats voted for FISA? Partriot Act?
Both made sure a third party would never get as close a Ross Perot again.
It's all about staying in office/power.
It's all a game, a charade, perpetrated by both parties and the media partners and you buy it hook, line & sinker.
When we have a Labor Party or a real viable option to business as usual then we'll get this country back.
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» RE: exactly!
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 23, 2009 6:34 PM
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» Since you asked
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Posted by: Lilly on Jan 24, 2009 8:04 AM
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» Bring Back James Madison(and yes he owned slaves, so f ing what).
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Posted by: adamskiinasia on Jan 24, 2009 6:25 PM
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Obama has already been spinning MORE involvement in Afghanistan as though he never heard of Ho Chi Min or the Mujahadeen (both victorious freedom fighters by the way). He and his advisors know two important things about America: 1) it thinks its rightious 2) it loves a fight.
So people, I know you dont want to hear it but until I see a president oppose what the Israelis are doing to Arabs and not what the Arabs are doing to the poor defenseless Israelis, until I see a president end this corporate adventure of War Inc for the good of the Pentagon and arms makers. To keep American influence strong and constant and dollars flowing to whomever covert ops wanted, they invented the war on drugs to maintain its influence south of the U.S border. In Europe and central Asia they have their War on Terror and in Asia they have their everlasting war on Communism and tyraniccal regimes (N.Korea, China , Burma, and anyone who dares to kick out the CIA).
So lets hear it, can we manage to keep the status quo and all that is evil about America? Yes, we can !!!
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Posted by: pbr90 on Jan 29, 2009 6:32 AM
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If not, one may presume that his election is a farce, or fraud, upon the election system.
What decision could be simpler?
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 23, 2009 12:23 AM
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The election is over & has consequences. They lost- badly. Two elections in a row.
Let's roll.
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» The pendulum is still swinging.
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» RE: The pendulum is still swinging.
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» The pendulum is still swinging.
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» Amazing, Isn't It
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 23, 2009 1:13 AM
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The Stimulus Plan suggests he is not a Leader. He has compromised to all the worst theories the Republicans have to offer ... tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts ...
Above all a leader has to have values and goals, Obama seems all about consensus, a consensus that will prove to be tragically wrong for what ails us and our economy.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 23, 2009 2:34 AM
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The problem, I suppose, is that Obama was not elected on a new-sheriff-in-town platform, but rather, the idea of bringing the US together as one with a common set of values and goals.
Of course, in reality there is no such thing. I agree with the article: What's the point of compromising with the zealots, ideas and policies that have dragged us into this rut? All the polarization has occurred for a darn good reason, or rather, a long list of darn good reasons.
However much Obama wants to deny the realities of politics, there is very much a Red America and a Blue America. No amount of oratory skills and charisma are going to convert Red America.
He promised one big happy family that's impossible to deliver. His cabinet choices and other compromises mentioned in the article are just trying to keep up the pretense. And those on the progressive side who bought into the big speeches about hope, bringing the love back, and all that other crap shouldn't be too surprised or feel too betrayed, because it's more or less what they asked for.
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» He hasn't promised a happy family. He's attempting to acknowledge ALL Americans, red and blue
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jan 23, 2009 3:38 AM
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The last eight years have shown us that today's Republicans are degenerates, traitors, and war criminals. If they weren't so incredibly incompetent, we'd be living in a fascist dictatorship right now.
If Obama reaches out to them, he's sure to pull back a bloody stump. So to speak.
Remember that the Republicans stole two successive Presidential elections. Remember also that stealing a Presidential election is not a dirty trick--it is an act of war. Our nation is in a state of undeclared civil war. Watch your hand, Mr. President.
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» Republicans are traitors- everyday
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» Why, so this continues forever?
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Jan 23, 2009 4:00 AM
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They dont get it.. They aren't there to ignore the other guy..They are supposed to be there to work to make the country better. To work together..
Obama gets it... the rest of the insane party hacks don't seem to get it and obviously the looney left thinks it's THEIR country.
With a mindset such as this we will never be more than what we are now..a 2 party mess!
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» Someone with common since? Can this truly be?
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Jan 23, 2009 5:15 AM
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The Bailout and the printing of trillions of dollars by the Federal Reserve Bank is just one of the last steps in the fascist takeover of every aspect on this country and the implementation of a one world government and monetary system by the military-industrial oil central private banking complex.
Anyone who is analyzing the situation and espousing there own opinion as to how bad the economic turndown will get and does not espouse the immediate change in the monetary system by eliminating the Federal Reserve Bank is being disingenuous. They cannot be trusted because the underlying core problem is that the monetary system in this country is completely controlled by a for-profit private cartel of banks.
Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, John F. Kennedy and many more politicians and private citizens throughout the course of the history of this country knew that a private central bank controlling the supply of money in this country and creating debt every time money is printed will only enrich the bankers and enslave the people of this country.
This current monetary system must be replaced with a resource based system. Please go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and watch the Zeitgeist Addendum movie which is on my homepage.
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Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield on Jan 23, 2009 5:43 AM
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» rollover dumb dog pansies? More of the highly effective third party Voter Outreach Program?
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» Nader may not have gotten any thanks to you Obama-ite obstructionists but the more Barry pisses off
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» RE: Don't worry, he'll keep "working" with the GOP just like the rest of the Democrats.
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Jan 23, 2009 5:51 AM
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We must stop expecting any leader of the capitalist system to do more than try to manage it more efficiently.
The solutions to our problems won't come from Obama, but from us, the majority who know what human need really means.
It's time to organize.
America in Crisis
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Posted by: cngiff on Jan 23, 2009 6:25 AM
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My local Obama campaign office was shocked when I told them the only field work I'd be willing to volunteer to organize a local Suicide Bombers for OBama Team.
I mean, when you find that someone has invaded your home with the obvious intent of killing you, what is an appropriate response? There are no "Conservatives" today. That group was hijacked years ago by fascist thugs. The Ratpublican Party is a Fascist thug front group. They hate me and the America that I love. They have been overtly and covertly working to destroy my America since the end of WWII. Fascism is the opposite of patriotism--it is the worst kind of treason. I hate traitors, whether you call them fascists, or Ratpublicans or conservatives.
Making nice with these wretched scumbags is insanity.
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Posted by: saadasim on Jan 23, 2009 6:40 AM
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Then we can start coming together.
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» Bullys on the playground...
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Posted by: freelyb on Jan 23, 2009 7:07 AM
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Is it accurate to compare contemporary Republicans to children? I believe so, and the intent is not malicious. In every social group, there is a natural hierarchy of development. It is vertical, not horizontal, and the ultimate goal lies at the top where the greatest culmination of wisdom and human development lie. It's not a matter of left or right, but progressive or regressive. Currently, the top of this hierarchy in America is occupied by progressive thinkers. We must raise our sights and move upward for the sake of all, whether they like it or not.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 23, 2009 7:51 AM
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Tax breaks for the rich and corporate, bailouts that only benefit the upper income brackets, enough! The time is now to push through a much more progressive agenda that benefits the 90% of real working Americans! Health-care for everyone, schools that really educate our children, tear down the Military-Industrial-Complex, no more tax breaks for off-shoring jobs, rewrite that Farm Bill for Agri-business over the family farmer, more investment in renewable energy, etc.! Enough with the "bipartisan" stuff, after all Repugnikans only consider it being "bipartisan" when they get their way!!!!
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Posted by: TexasCowboy on Jan 23, 2009 7:55 AM
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Republicans want to continue to jeopardize any possibility of recovery for America. They gave HUGE tax cuts to the wealthy and Wall Street and yet they want MORE tax cuts! Their action demonstrates their lack of fortitude to solve this huge economic crisis and shows they have no new ideas on how to fix our economy. Giving more tax cuts is not going to help, if there is no money going into the treasury, soon the treasure will be empty and all Americans will truly understand what a depression really is.
Republicans have cost Americans millions of jobs yet they offer no solution on how to create jobs. Republicans stood against funding infrastructure projects to rebuild our crumbling highways and bridges, but poured hundreds of billions of tax dollars into rebuilding Iraq.
They probably should be arrested and jailed because what they have done to Americans in mismanaging the public trust and treasury is no different than what Bernie Madoff has done. While America's economy burns, Republicans continue to play politics.
Having said that, it is in America’s best interest for Republicans to work with the new administration and support the United States, not just the Red ones and get America back in the black.
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» Do you really mean Bankers are worse than terrorists?
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» i wish!
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Posted by: sonofloud2 on Jan 23, 2009 9:44 AM
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Posted by: yurbud on Jan 23, 2009 10:58 AM
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But one of the reasons they did so is understandable if not forgivable. It is not the GOP & Bush they are afraid of, but the patrons of the GOP, the very wealthy who can make life miserable for them by having the media declare them a loon or a traitor making it harder for them to get re-elected, or give them a nasty car wreck or plane crash.
The problem with fear of this financial elite is they MIGHT kill a pol who threatens their hold on power, but they are already killing the rest of us with their scams, outsourcing, foreclosures, credit cards, and the like.
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» not that they put up a fight!
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 23, 2009 10:57 AM
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Some actually make sense, have an extremly good understanding of the World as it really is and are also completely honourable people with the utmost integrity
And who hate the Bush neocon Cabal even more than Left Wing Progressives.
It's not a question of Left Versus Right
More a question of Right Versus Wrong
This label thing is getting silly
I can see good and bad in all political parties
To suggest that Obama shouldn't work with Republicans is ridiculous
The way that IRA Terrorism was finally defeated was through complete infilitration at the deepest level
The Terrorists finally realised that they had no way of telling which side their most trusted fellow Terrorists were on - so they came to a deal
The Daft thing about the situation with Northern Ireland where the Catholics and Protestants were killing each other was that The English just wished both sides would simply Fuck Off
We couldn't give a fuck about their religious differences. There is no way we wanted to continue to have Northern Ireland associated with us
They not only were Irish - but the Northern Irish spoke with a Really Harsh cutting accent
Us English wanted the Southern Irish back
The Northern Irish Could Go and Fuck Themselves
Dublin is Lovely
We wanted them to take the lunatics off our hands
And they said - what that lot?
Are you serious?
They are all Mad
Tony
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Posted by: Artra on Jan 23, 2009 11:13 AM
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People from abroad USA, not necessarily muslims, or submitted or "underdevelopped" countries ...but even jewish people outside USA, denounce Zionist power, specially in USA. How can this hypothesis be cleared if even it is kind of forbidden to mention it?
Why is it so difficult, at least, to the majority northamericans to read what is happening? For instance:
How true is it that Caroline Kennedy was threatend to death by mossad if she continued her quest and that Hillary and WH Legal Counsel Greg Craig "knew" about it?
How far the point goes with this Jew-Zionist-taboo that even Alternet puts Hamas and Israel State at the same level of "responsability"?
http://www.bollyn.info/home/
Is it that, in the deep unconciusness, do northamericans feel some kind of repetition of their history, through Palestinian land robbery situation or is it just due to an immense Zionist influence in USA?
Now, Obama obeys taboo-submitted northamericans or Obama clearly knows who has the power in USA ?
For summer it is expected, the IV phase of the systemic crisis, the USA consumers and USA bank insolvency (No. 31, GEAB).
If it happens to be that more of Zionist's organisations, than financial mights in general, are at the top of all in USA and having the adventage that it is forbidden to even think about its possibility:
Will "those" powers be able to hide facts (who did even profit by it and where did it go) behind a loss of 10 trillion dollars by that time?
How far, how late, will Obama can go without pointing who, why and how strong oppose to redress the financial system?
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» The power of a Persident relies on those who support him up and their organisation capacity.
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Posted by: logansafi on Jan 23, 2009 1:41 PM
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Barack is moving to pardon these 2, isn't he, and that's what all his first edicts about Guantanamo are really much about? The tortured continue to remain in GITMO and elsewhere, while Barack sends yet more troops to occupy Afghanistan and bomb yet more civilians there. This is an effort to change US government image and not so much else... by Gerald Obama.
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» Try this
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Jan 23, 2009 2:43 PM
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Should a Hindu Fakir, while charming a snake, take his eyes off the cobra?
Should a deaf man aspire to become a sonar technician?
Should a blind man drive an automobile?
:P
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Posted by: realdem08 on Jan 23, 2009 3:51 PM
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Any difference between Hillary's foreign policy and Bush's? How many wonderful Democrats voted for FISA? Partriot Act?
Both made sure a third party would never get as close a Ross Perot again.
It's all about staying in office/power.
It's all a game, a charade, perpetrated by both parties and the media partners and you buy it hook, line & sinker.
When we have a Labor Party or a real viable option to business as usual then we'll get this country back.
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» Since you asked
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» Bring Back James Madison(and yes he owned slaves, so f ing what).
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Posted by: adamskiinasia on Jan 24, 2009 6:25 PM
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Obama has already been spinning MORE involvement in Afghanistan as though he never heard of Ho Chi Min or the Mujahadeen (both victorious freedom fighters by the way). He and his advisors know two important things about America: 1) it thinks its rightious 2) it loves a fight.
So people, I know you dont want to hear it but until I see a president oppose what the Israelis are doing to Arabs and not what the Arabs are doing to the poor defenseless Israelis, until I see a president end this corporate adventure of War Inc for the good of the Pentagon and arms makers. To keep American influence strong and constant and dollars flowing to whomever covert ops wanted, they invented the war on drugs to maintain its influence south of the U.S border. In Europe and central Asia they have their War on Terror and in Asia they have their everlasting war on Communism and tyraniccal regimes (N.Korea, China , Burma, and anyone who dares to kick out the CIA).
So lets hear it, can we manage to keep the status quo and all that is evil about America? Yes, we can !!!
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Posted by: pbr90 on Jan 29, 2009 6:32 AM
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If not, one may presume that his election is a farce, or fraud, upon the election system.
What decision could be simpler?
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