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Who Can You Trust in America?
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The news of Bernard Madoff's $50 billion fraud has hit the investor/401(k) class as nothing else -- not the fall of Lehman Brothers, not the death of Bear Stearns, nor the string of insolvency announcements of one household name after another. Madoff is the blow that did it.
That Madoff took some of the members of the centimillionaire club to the cleaners is not what caused the shock. It is the damage done to so many smaller investor/savers, so many pension funds, so many charities. You do not have to be one of Madoff's victims to be affected. Madoff, his own businesses aside, was a major figure in the world of investments, of stocks and bonds and securities and exchanges. If the former chairman of Nasdaq is a crook, whom do you trust?
Madoff has sown the seeds of suspicion everywhere. He has caused us to doubt men and women with whom we have done business with for years. There is no way of knowing if someone is a con artist. The presumption of trust is gone.
Business depends on trust, trust of all kinds. Trust that when you place an order with a broker he or she will get you the best price, trust that your investment or retirement adviser is not getting an under-the-table kickback to put your old age money into a shoddy annuity.
Trust is the indispensable element in all businesses. Contractors depend on subcontractors to get the job done when they say they will; retailers depend on distributors to deliver on time; lawyers are trusted to meet filing deadlines, steel fabricators are expected to get gigantic trusses to the building site exactly when they are needed. Doctors are expected to put patients' interests above money considerations; parts manufacturers are relied on to deliver on time to the factory. Business runs on trust, and Bernard Madoff has busted it.
So the Wall Street Journal says to its readers, "Could your investment manager be another Bernard Madoff?... if someone like Mr. Madoff can be accused of running a $50 billion Ponzi scheme, can investors anywhere sleep easy? Ordinarily, when you are picking an investment manager or financial planner, you're given some common-sense advice. Avoid managers who are unknown, or unregulated, or come without good referrals, or haven't been in the industry long. But none of this would have saved you from Mr. Madoff. 'This guy had oodles of referrals, at the highest levels,' notes Duane Thompson, a managing director at the Financial Planning Association in Washington. 'He was [former] chairman of Nasdaq. He'd been in business since 1960. "
Fear, confusion and mistrust have been amplified by the absence of government supervision, regulation or policing. The Securities and Exchange Commission admits it did not do its job.
With the closing down of the old-time pension system, millions of employees were forced into 401(k)s requiring knowledge of finance, bonds, stocks, weird-sounding investments and tax law. They have had to make investment decisions effecting their future with no government protection against misrepresentation, legal traps laid for them and the small print obfuscation financial institutions practice on their customers. The result is the heart-wrenching situation for millions who fear that they will be living out the last decades of their lives counting their food stamps and hunting for bargains in the used clothing bins.
The Madoff swindle puts the spotlight on the collapse of the 401(k) retirement plan. The United States is the only advanced nation without a complete retirement system.
For 401(k)s to have worked, a bull market or at least a flat market was necessary. It was an unreliable gamble from the git-go, an arrangement that would fall to pieces when next the market crashed.
Madoff and the crash underline the powerlessness of the millions. As a matter of principle, the Republicans defended the unregulated lawlessness that enabled a Madoff to run his swindles. As for the Democrats, sometime in the Clinton era they sold their party to Wall Street and now they have Chuck Schumer to make sure it stays sold.
It remains for President-elect Obama to void the deal and break his party free to help those who have nowhere else to look
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Posted by: pete ess on Dec 19, 2008 1:30 AM
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Anyone who thinks they were simply asleep at the wheel is dreaming!
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» True, pete
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» NO DOUBT: It's not that the SEC did not do its job . .
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» JP Morgan is a major short seller
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Posted by: pete ess on Dec 19, 2008 1:48 AM
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Only the uber-rich will argue "but he lost millions". Excuse me, I bet he will still have WAY more than the negative amount the trusty pensioners will be left with.
And he'll be out of jail in no time to enjoy his loot.
Remember: There's honour among thieves.
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Posted by: pete ess on Dec 19, 2008 2:04 AM
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What's the bet?
Please film the front and back doors of Bernie's mansion - and tap his phones (Bush says its OK).
He's going to have some VERY interesting callers.
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» RE: See: They've put him under "Mansion Arrest"
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Posted by: GatoPreto on Dec 19, 2008 3:19 AM
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Why is there no more mention of this anywhere? Could it be because Rubin almost got tapped by Obama to be his Treasury Sec? Could it be that we've all been in-tranced by the chant of 'change' and 'hope'?
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» RE: Another Even Bigger Ponzi?
Posted by: Degaz
» Ponzi Scheme Street
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Dec 19, 2008 4:04 AM
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One key dilemma it brings out is not just that you don't know who to trust, but that you have to trust somebody at some point...but you can't. If you stick your money in the bank or under the mattress, inflation and taxes will eat it up.
To be honest, I don't know very much about this guy's story. But I suspect he was a bit of a guru, and I know that you should never trust gurus in investing or any other area of expertise. So I'm not sure this is a pure example of not knowing who to trust. Even so, I think the article's point is fair that the economy is at a point where it doesn't seem to matter, and nobody's money is safe.
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Posted by: yale on Dec 19, 2008 4:14 AM
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» Idiot!
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» RE: Idiot!
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Posted by: democraticcritique.us on Dec 19, 2008 4:42 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 19, 2008 4:59 AM
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Posted by: villager1 on Dec 19, 2008 5:11 AM
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I sincerely wonder if I have ever heard anyone say something that they really meant or simply and very expeditiously used words to deceive, so as to attain their own ends. Think about that and then tell me why I never trust anyone - I can't even trust myself since I am 69 years old
and am a secret smoker! Anyone who has secrets cannot be trusted and we all have secrets, don't we?
Remember to proceed with caution and that things are seldom if ever, what they seem to be!
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Posted by: weathered on Dec 19, 2008 5:37 AM
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As long as the criminals install another criminal to act as the US Attorney General in the Dept.of Justice. Trust will go the way of the Edsel.
Mukasey should be disbarred.
Arrest Silverstein/Bushcon and heal or stay stuck in the myths, manipulations and Lies.
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Posted by: Last Chance on Dec 19, 2008 6:07 AM
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» RE: The Greatest Shill in the World
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» Reality Has Caught Up To Us.
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Posted by: QuestionAuthority on Dec 19, 2008 6:41 AM
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It's a planned, epic failure because BushCo wanted us all to believe that business can police itself and needs no external regulation. "Trust us," he said, as he and his cronies plunged their hands deep into our retirement accounts and wallets.
As a result, by the time this economic nightmare ends, I expect to be like many others in my early 50's: left without enough to retire on, not beacsue I didn't plan, but because it was stolen in a corrupt system. I now expect to work until I die to extend what I have left to retire on.
There is a warm spot near the fires of Hell for people like George W. Bush and his cronies.
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Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu on Dec 19, 2008 7:05 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Dec 19, 2008 7:00 AM
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Trust is earned; verification is an essential ingredient.
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» even varification can fail
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» I found out tonight on the MacLaughlin (sp?) Group...
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Posted by: Levon on Dec 19, 2008 7:04 AM
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 19, 2008 7:06 AM
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The writers at The Nation are clueless.
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Posted by: grindermonkey on Dec 19, 2008 7:15 AM
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Dec 19, 2008 7:15 AM
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Posted by: mcyclemama on Dec 19, 2008 8:54 AM
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It sure wouldn't bother me any, although I personally know this is against the law and would NEVER do something like that myself. Just goes to show that the middle and lower classes have massive amounts of morallity as opposed to these rich, money grubbing fuckers that are controlling our banks, Wall Street, and our government these days.
These jerkoffs should be made to know the feeling that at any time of any day, and anywhere, they could be the target of a sniper with nothing in his life left to lose because they have had it all stolen from them and this individual has no way left to replenish what was stolen from him (or her). Do you think that perhaps it would make some of these m/f's change their money grubbing methods somewhat? What is needed is a few martyrs. After all, this country was founded on a principle of overthrowing tyranny was it not?
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» RE: Doing the Fk's IN!(Middle Class?)
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Dec 19, 2008 10:03 AM
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Put your money into real things.
At least that's what I would do if I had any money!
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
Luv,
Granny
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» Smart People Know
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» RE: Smart People Know
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Posted by: Dixie Dawg on Dec 19, 2008 11:11 AM
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Like it or not, " to good to be true", and " read the fine print" are worthy guides.
As one stock broker told me once upon a time a long time ago,
" where there is money, larsoney will not be far behind."
Each generation has their Madoff. Mine was Billie Sol Estes. Even with Shrub, T Boone, and Oscar Wyatt, Billie Sol is considered " Texas most famous flim-flam man. And, he was and he is still a lot more colorful than any of these twits.
Merry Christmas
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» RE: The presumption of trust is gone.
Posted by: praedor
» RE: The presumption of trust is gone.
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Posted by: praedor on Dec 19, 2008 11:21 AM
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Two words: No way. They (the Dems) are in too deep with the criminal enterprise that is US finance and corporations. The Friedman Religion that prays to the "Free Market" is a fundamentalist religion that has roots too deep in both criminal organizations (Democraps and Rethuglicans) to EVER be dropped in favor of a more human, and humane, system.
Don't count on Obama to fix this, he will instead try to apply bandaids. The only fix is for the whole thing to die so that something new and, if we are diligent and watchful and ACTIVE, better can come along.
The framework for the new and better is simple: mixed economy with heavy regulation to control the inevitable evil done by capitalistic (greed) tendencies. Socialized medicine, socialized retirement, a MUCH more equitable arrangement between labor and management, and profit only after social responsibility.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Dec 19, 2008 9:54 PM
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Anyways, it's only a matter of time before the people who refused to invest with this guy because they knew it to be a scheme, come out. People who got in early are also the ones you're not hearing from, because they made their pile. It should have been obvious this guy was scammeing, but people are willing to look the other way -- "good" people especially -- so long as it increases their bottom line.
Had a ponzi case out my way where the scammer was a seminary student. Like 70 percent of his investors came from Christian message boards. To them, he was doing God's work. When the SEC got him, they werre the bad guys, doing the devil's work. Furthermor, no one ever questioned the "legit" software behind the scheme, which generated computerized hits on websites. Even if it weren;'t a pyramid deal, none of theose folks ever stopped to think maybe it was dishonest or unChristian to make money by running software to make pretend visits to websites.
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Posted by: PaulD on Dec 19, 2008 11:44 PM
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» RE: Madoff was small fry
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