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Chomsky: Is There Truth in Obama's Advertising?
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In a functioning democracy like say Bolivia or the United States in earlier stages, they did something about it. That's why we have the New Deal measures, the Great Society measures. In fact just about any step, you know, women's rights, end of slavery, go back as far as you like, it doesn't happen as a gift. And it's not going to happen in the future. The commentators are pretty well aware of this. They don't put it the way I'm going to, but if you read the press, it does come out. So take our local newspaper at the liberal end of the spectrum, Boston Globe, you probably saw right after the election, a front page story, the lead front page story was on how Obama developed this wonderful grassroots army but he doesn't have any debts. Which supposed to be a good thing. So he's free to do what he likes. Because he has no debts, the normal democratic constituency, labor, women, minorities and so on, they didn't bring him into office. So he owes them nothing.
What he had was an army that he organized of people who got out the vote for Obama. For what the press calls, Brand Obama. They essentially agree with the advertisers, it's brand Obama. That his army was mobilized to bring him to office. They regard that as a good thing, accepting the Lippman conception of democracy, the ignorant and meddlesome outsiders are supposed to do what they're told and then go home. The Wall Street Journal, at the opposite end of the spectrum, also had an article about the same thing at roughly the same time. Talked about the tremendous grassroots army that has been developed, which is now waiting for instructions. What should they do next to press forward Obama's agenda? Whatever that is. But whatever it is, the army's supposed to be out there taking instructions, and press work. Los Angeles Times had similar articles, and there are others. What they don't seem to realize is what they're describing, the ideal of what they're describing, is dictatorship, not democracy. Democracy, at least not in the Lippman sense, it proved -- I pick him out because he's so famous, but it's a standard position. But in the sense of say, much of the south, where mass popular movements developed programs; organize to take part in elections but that's one part of an ongoing process. And brings somebody from their own ranks to implement the programs that they develop, and if the person doesn't they're out. Ok, that's another kind of democracy. So it's up to us to choose which kind of democracy we want. And again, that will determine what comes next.
Well, what can we anticipate if the popular army, the grassroots army, decides to accept the function of spectators of action rather than participants? There's two kinds of evidence. There's rhetoric and there's action. The rhetoric, you know, is very uplifting: change, hope, and so on. Change was kind of reflective any party manager this year who read the polls, including the ones I cited, would instantly conclude that our theme in the election has to be change. Because people hate what's going on for good reasons. So the theme is change. In fact, both parties put both of them, the theme was change. So the theme is change. In fact both parties, both of them the theme was change. You know, break from the past, none of old politics, new things are going to happen. The Obama campaign did better so they won the marketing award, not the McCain campaign.
And notice incidentally on the side that the institutions that run the elections, public relations industry, advertisers, they have a role -- their major role is commercial advertising. I mean, selling a candidate is kind of a side rule. In commercial advertising as everybody knows, everybody who has ever looked at a television program, the advertising is not intended to provide information about the product, all right? I don't have to go on about that. It's obvious. The point of the advertising is to delude people with the imagery and, you know, tales of a football player, sexy actress, who you know, drives to the moon in a car or something like that. But, that's certainly not to inform people. In fact, it's to keep people uninformed.
The goal of advertising is to create uninformed consumers who will make irrational choices. Those of you who suffered through an economics course know that markets are supposed to be based on informed consumers making rational choices. But industry spends hundreds of millions of dollars a year to undermine markets and to ensure, you know, to get uninformed consumers making irrational choices.
And when they turn to selling a candidate they do the same thing. They want uninformed consumers, you know, uninformed voters to make irrational choices based on the success of illusion, slander, and effective body language or whatever else is supposed to be significant. So you undermine democracy pretty much the same way you undermine markets. Well, that's the nature of an election when it's run by the business world, and you'd expect it to be like that. There should be no surprise there. And it should also turn out the elected candidate didn't have any debts. So you can follow Brand Obama can be whatever they decide it to be, not what the population decides that it should be, as in the south, let's say. I'm going to say on the side, this may be an actual instance of a familiar and unusually vacuous slogan about the clash of civilization. Maybe there really is one, but not the kind that's usually touted.
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So much for democracy, Baa, Baa, for now.
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And what's happened to the country -- which is we're not supposed to mention -- is that there was extensive and very constructive activism in the 1960s, which had an aftermath. So the feminist movement, mostly developed in the 70s -- the solidarity movements of the 80's and on till today. And the activism did civilize the country. The country's a lot more civilized than it was 40 years ago and the historic achievements illustrate it.
I'd love to think so, but I don't think this is exactly the case. The country most certainly is NOT more civilized than it was 40 years ago. I'll grant that Barack is standing on the shoulders of the soldiers in the civil rights movement, buit there were no legacies, no permanent advancement, no transformaton of the American mind as a whole which would account for his being elected President. Whatever circumstances occurred, whatever crisis or perception or clarification was responsible for that, we are surely lucky that it happened.
I think Professor Chomsky is right in one way. The struggles of the 60's are partially internalized by the young today. For the most part, Gen-X and younger don't see the point of denying gays civil rights, don't remember the civil rights struggle but are more comfortable with racial equality than previous generations, and don't remember the Viet Nam war as significant in their lives. Barack himself says he's not a part of the 60's peace-love generation.
But the change that got Barack elected is much more than a partial legacy from those that came before. It's due to the fact that the world has just changed hands.
Barack is the first, the very first non-boomer President. He got where he did by astute manipulation of media and information sources which did not exist in the 60's, and were never used to this effect in an election before. He was elected not only by us, but also by our kids. And he will have to answer immediately to those who elected him by means of those same information sources.
And he knows it.
So much for the prognosticators of every stripe who insist that "common sense" dictates this or that about Barack's appointments. We can't separate process from content anymore. It's a new game, which defies prediction, even by the best and most distinguished of us.
Lastly--I love you Professor Chomsky. Don't go all 'nader' on me.
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Noam wrote a book called failed states.
The US is a failed state. unable to protect or represent its citizens, unable to prevent the major crimes committed by Wall Street that has robbed every one of us. Then this slick set of politicians third world mentality sweeps into office on pure bullshit called change.You will see change........You will see a grass roots revolution coming.
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Posted by: blondesprite on Dec 7, 2008 5:47 AM
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Mr. Chomsky, you are quite right. It was an historic election. We get it. Our nation’s highest office must be purchased. While we may not like it, that is a fact that is not likely to change any time soon. Candidates must purchase marketing professionals to package and deliver a message via the squawk boxes and the Internet, which is also not likely to change.
I disagree about the landslide. Obama won by 53% to McCain’s 47 %. By today’s standards, i.e. Gore and Bush were neck and neck. Kerry and Bush were too close to call. It could be argued that both of those elections were stolen or supreme court appointments. Winning, by a 6 point spread under those conditions and, in my opinion, was a remarkable landslide. Flipping red states was another historic achievement.
Mr. Chomsky, I do not see and hear hopeless, disorganized people. Go to Obama’s web site blog. You will read thousands of comments, some are euphoric, and many are asking what now? Obama has given us the tools and resources to answer that question.
Just recently, he has asked that we host House Parties, to stay organized and focused. He is asking us to answer the now question ourselves. This is what leaders, in this country, do. They get out in front of the parade we create.
My particular answer to that question was to start a Restore the U. S. Constitution Fund. I sent him a donation and asked him to do exactly that. I sent letters to family and friends asking them to join me. I posted an open letter to his web site blog and asked those who agree the U. S. Constitution must be put back on the table, to copy the letter or write their own, and contribute to the First 100 days for $100.00 Fund. Mr. Chomsky, you probably spend that on lunch. Put your money where your mouth is, send him your lunch money and ask him to restore our Constitution.
Obama has stayed with his overarching message of National Unity. He promised to end the politics of cultural division; in opting out of smear tactics he did that through the integrity of how he and his advisers ran his campaign. He promised to reach across the isle; he is doing that through his appointments. He worked with Gov. Dean, at the protest of the DNC, Pelosi and Emanuel, with a fifty state strategy. In these important areas, he is delivering change.
Regarding his Vice President Selection and Chief of Staff Appointment, have you ever heard the slogan; keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
Regarding the financial crisis, he is adopting the politics of Roosevelt in a Kennedyesque style in his broad public works and green energy initiatives. Regarding Rubin, Summers, Clinton and the criminals on wall street, more is accomplished through flipping a few accomplices than acting like John-by-God-Wayne. We don’t need to shoot up the bad guys; we need the finesse, of an Elliott Ness. The IRS needs to be empowered again, to unravel the mess and figure out the-- who, what, when and where and how of all that has been lost. We already know the why—unbridled greed.
So yes, it is up to us to continue. Obama can only lead the parade we begin. I, for one, have started with restoring the U. S. Constitution. As written in the Preamble, our Constitution promotes the general welfare (which, in my opinion, must include single payer universal healthcare) through justice (a single rule of law) for all.
It must be made very clear; no one has ever had or will have the authority to take the rule of law off the table. We must close Guantanamo; restore Habeas Corpus, Posse Comitatus and our Separation of Church and State laws.
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Nationally and publicly, for the sake of history and our future, we must learn how and why we went down the paths of an illegal war against a sovereign nation, Abu Ghriab, unjust military tribunals, secret renditions, corrupt private military contracts and torture.
Until we, as a people, are able to recognize our collective decent selves again, demand our highest principles work through our highest national, state and local offices, we will continue to slide, figuratively and literally, into an even deeper national emotional and financial depression.
If our nation’s highest office must be purchased, so too, may our nation’s identity be restored. Yes, Mr. Chomsky, Freedom and Democracy are essential for a healthy and thriving economy! Join the parade. Send $100.00 today.
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This can be proven by the different ways in which the majority of Americans treat the financial industry payoffs versus the auto makers. Americans are still willing to look the other way as the ones who caused the predicted crisis get more compensation, without having to adhere to a strict set of standards, from many of the same politicans who went along with the way they did business in the first place. Many of them also went along with the automotive industry executives but are now putting on a show about how disgusted they are and how they don't want to go along with giving them any money. When all is said and done, the industry will receive some funds because of the disaster it would cause this country in unemployment, alone, not to do anything. The financial industry isn't being held to the same set of standards because the have more money to filter to these same members of Congress, leaving the industry with the rank and file workers to be the scapegoat.
Until Americans stop living in their fantasy worlds and demand accountability from the members of Congress who have continuously sold all of us out for at least 8 years and from those industries they are giving our current and future money to, we will continue to be the ones who pay for the privileged to raid the resources of this country without so much as a thought to the "family" and "Christian" values the manipulators and their willing subjects claim to adhere to through rhetorical hypocrisy every chance they get.
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So much for democracy, Baa, Baa, for now.
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And what's happened to the country -- which is we're not supposed to mention -- is that there was extensive and very constructive activism in the 1960s, which had an aftermath. So the feminist movement, mostly developed in the 70s -- the solidarity movements of the 80's and on till today. And the activism did civilize the country. The country's a lot more civilized than it was 40 years ago and the historic achievements illustrate it.
I'd love to think so, but I don't think this is exactly the case. The country most certainly is NOT more civilized than it was 40 years ago. I'll grant that Barack is standing on the shoulders of the soldiers in the civil rights movement, buit there were no legacies, no permanent advancement, no transformaton of the American mind as a whole which would account for his being elected President. Whatever circumstances occurred, whatever crisis or perception or clarification was responsible for that, we are surely lucky that it happened.
I think Professor Chomsky is right in one way. The struggles of the 60's are partially internalized by the young today. For the most part, Gen-X and younger don't see the point of denying gays civil rights, don't remember the civil rights struggle but are more comfortable with racial equality than previous generations, and don't remember the Viet Nam war as significant in their lives. Barack himself says he's not a part of the 60's peace-love generation.
But the change that got Barack elected is much more than a partial legacy from those that came before. It's due to the fact that the world has just changed hands.
Barack is the first, the very first non-boomer President. He got where he did by astute manipulation of media and information sources which did not exist in the 60's, and were never used to this effect in an election before. He was elected not only by us, but also by our kids. And he will have to answer immediately to those who elected him by means of those same information sources.
And he knows it.
So much for the prognosticators of every stripe who insist that "common sense" dictates this or that about Barack's appointments. We can't separate process from content anymore. It's a new game, which defies prediction, even by the best and most distinguished of us.
Lastly--I love you Professor Chomsky. Don't go all 'nader' on me.
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Personally, I think we need a stronger and more independent Attorney General.
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Noam wrote a book called failed states.
The US is a failed state. unable to protect or represent its citizens, unable to prevent the major crimes committed by Wall Street that has robbed every one of us. Then this slick set of politicians third world mentality sweeps into office on pure bullshit called change.You will see change........You will see a grass roots revolution coming.
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Mr. Chomsky, you are quite right. It was an historic election. We get it. Our nation’s highest office must be purchased. While we may not like it, that is a fact that is not likely to change any time soon. Candidates must purchase marketing professionals to package and deliver a message via the squawk boxes and the Internet, which is also not likely to change.
I disagree about the landslide. Obama won by 53% to McCain’s 47 %. By today’s standards, i.e. Gore and Bush were neck and neck. Kerry and Bush were too close to call. It could be argued that both of those elections were stolen or supreme court appointments. Winning, by a 6 point spread under those conditions and, in my opinion, was a remarkable landslide. Flipping red states was another historic achievement.
Mr. Chomsky, I do not see and hear hopeless, disorganized people. Go to Obama’s web site blog. You will read thousands of comments, some are euphoric, and many are asking what now? Obama has given us the tools and resources to answer that question.
Just recently, he has asked that we host House Parties, to stay organized and focused. He is asking us to answer the now question ourselves. This is what leaders, in this country, do. They get out in front of the parade we create.
My particular answer to that question was to start a Restore the U. S. Constitution Fund. I sent him a donation and asked him to do exactly that. I sent letters to family and friends asking them to join me. I posted an open letter to his web site blog and asked those who agree the U. S. Constitution must be put back on the table, to copy the letter or write their own, and contribute to the First 100 days for $100.00 Fund. Mr. Chomsky, you probably spend that on lunch. Put your money where your mouth is, send him your lunch money and ask him to restore our Constitution.
Obama has stayed with his overarching message of National Unity. He promised to end the politics of cultural division; in opting out of smear tactics he did that through the integrity of how he and his advisers ran his campaign. He promised to reach across the isle; he is doing that through his appointments. He worked with Gov. Dean, at the protest of the DNC, Pelosi and Emanuel, with a fifty state strategy. In these important areas, he is delivering change.
Regarding his Vice President Selection and Chief of Staff Appointment, have you ever heard the slogan; keep your friends close and your enemies closer?
Regarding the financial crisis, he is adopting the politics of Roosevelt in a Kennedyesque style in his broad public works and green energy initiatives. Regarding Rubin, Summers, Clinton and the criminals on wall street, more is accomplished through flipping a few accomplices than acting like John-by-God-Wayne. We don’t need to shoot up the bad guys; we need the finesse, of an Elliott Ness. The IRS needs to be empowered again, to unravel the mess and figure out the-- who, what, when and where and how of all that has been lost. We already know the why—unbridled greed.
So yes, it is up to us to continue. Obama can only lead the parade we begin. I, for one, have started with restoring the U. S. Constitution. As written in the Preamble, our Constitution promotes the general welfare (which, in my opinion, must include single payer universal healthcare) through justice (a single rule of law) for all.
It must be made very clear; no one has ever had or will have the authority to take the rule of law off the table. We must close Guantanamo; restore Habeas Corpus, Posse Comitatus and our Separation of Church and State laws.
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Nationally and publicly, for the sake of history and our future, we must learn how and why we went down the paths of an illegal war against a sovereign nation, Abu Ghriab, unjust military tribunals, secret renditions, corrupt private military contracts and torture.
Until we, as a people, are able to recognize our collective decent selves again, demand our highest principles work through our highest national, state and local offices, we will continue to slide, figuratively and literally, into an even deeper national emotional and financial depression.
If our nation’s highest office must be purchased, so too, may our nation’s identity be restored. Yes, Mr. Chomsky, Freedom and Democracy are essential for a healthy and thriving economy! Join the parade. Send $100.00 today.
Send it to:
President-Elect
Barack Obama
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This can be proven by the different ways in which the majority of Americans treat the financial industry payoffs versus the auto makers. Americans are still willing to look the other way as the ones who caused the predicted crisis get more compensation, without having to adhere to a strict set of standards, from many of the same politicans who went along with the way they did business in the first place. Many of them also went along with the automotive industry executives but are now putting on a show about how disgusted they are and how they don't want to go along with giving them any money. When all is said and done, the industry will receive some funds because of the disaster it would cause this country in unemployment, alone, not to do anything. The financial industry isn't being held to the same set of standards because the have more money to filter to these same members of Congress, leaving the industry with the rank and file workers to be the scapegoat.
Until Americans stop living in their fantasy worlds and demand accountability from the members of Congress who have continuously sold all of us out for at least 8 years and from those industries they are giving our current and future money to, we will continue to be the ones who pay for the privileged to raid the resources of this country without so much as a thought to the "family" and "Christian" values the manipulators and their willing subjects claim to adhere to through rhetorical hypocrisy every chance they get.
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