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Bailout or Bust: How to Save the Big Three From Themselves
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The American automobile industry occupies a near-mythic status in the nation's cultural and economic imagination. President-elect Barack Obama echoes the sentiments of many when he says that Detroit is "the backbone of American manufacturing." If it is -- Detroit's economic importance is great but now occupies a lesser role than it did before it entered a slow-but-steady decline in the 1970s -- then it suffers from acute and advanced damage that will require major surgery. And like any major surgery, treating Detroit's malaise will be a complicated affair with no assurance of success. However, doing nothing may be worse, especially for the state of Michigan.
According to Bureau of Labor Statistics' figures for September 2008, Michigan's labor force was about 4.9 million, with about 4.5 million holding jobs. That's a significant decline from September 2007, when the labor force numbered just over 5 million, with 4.6 million employed. The state lost roughly 149,000 jobs in the period and saw unemployment rise from 7.3 percent to 8.7 percent, which is 2.2 points higher than the national average. The rate would have been even higher if people hadn't dropped out of the labor force altogether.
The Big Three trimmed thousands of jobs in the state during that period, which no doubt triggered additional job cuts among automotive subcontractors and suppliers, various retailers, and even homebuilders and home improvement firms. These job losses keep politicians, business leaders and citizens up late at night. As Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm recently quipped: "Forget 'Drill, baby, drill.' Here it's 'Jobs, baby, jobs.'"
All told, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler employ somewhere around 500,000 people, many of them outside Michigan. However, these figures underestimate the total employment impact, since at least 3 million Americans rely on the U.S. auto industry for their jobs, with the highest concentration in and around Michigan. The Center for Automotive Research calculates much higher estimates: about 7 million jobs directly and indirectly tied to the industry, with 2.5 million hanging in the balance in the event of a 50 percent contraction in output from the Big Three.
This brings us to a simple cost-benefit analysis: $25 billion in loans for the industry that will save millions of jobs and about $150 billion in economic activity in 2009 alone. So it's a no-brainer, right? Well, not exactly.
There is no guarantee that throwing money at Detroit will save these companies and the network of jobs that they sustain. Even if the companies do survive, we can almost certainly anticipate steep job losses anyway. Job losses will be increased if GM and Chrysler's parent company, Cerberus Capital Management, merge. But will cutting jobs now spare jobs in the long run? That question dominates all others in the conversation.
Focusing on jobs moves us from an argument about nostalgia for American manufacturing prowess and bailouts of large, and largely incompetent, firms to the more meaningful conversation about livelihoods. Doing so takes us beyond purely economic analysis, since the value of a job exceeds its economic value to individuals, their families and their communities. Livelihood includes paying for basics like food and shelter, but also touches upon important, if hard to measure, assets like one's sense of identity and the health of neighborhoods and towns.
Applying a cold, hard economic calculus would probably throw cold water on the idea of a bailout for Detroit. First, the companies may well be beyond hope. They have been slow to change, they repeat the same mistakes and they turn out products that too often do not compete successfully with imports. Quality, safety, durability and customer satisfaction numbers remain spotty. Moreover, the so-called "bridge" funding that Detroit hopes to receive may be a bridge to nowhere: It will take years to work off the debts that weigh down consumers and governments, which will constrain spending for several quarters, if not years.
Once we emerge from this hole, Americans may renounce our spendthrift ways, and that could leave the entire automobile market much smaller over time. In short, the demand side of the market may not rebound sufficiently to resuscitate Detroit. The supply side looks no better: Over time, Detroit will face tough competition on many fronts. Japanese, German, Korean -- and it had to happen -- Chinese and Indian automakers will battle American carmakers tooth and nail. Simply put, the amount of money that Detroit can earn over the next 10 years may not cover the "loans" they want from the Feds. Taxpayers will likely end up footing the bill.
But if Detroit doesn't get an infusion of cash, then what? The companies could declare bankruptcy, but so far they have stubbornly refused to consider that possibility -- with good reason. Market research shows that 80 percent of consumers will not buy cars from insolvent firms. Therefore, GM's leadership equates bankruptcy with liquidation. However, this view may well be somewhat overwrought. Bankruptcy would likely allow some leaner, meaner and more durable versions of GM and/or Ford to survive. (Chrysler looks like a dead duck; the only reason GM has any interest in the firm is its $11 billion cash stash.) Overcapacity could be pared back more rapidly under the watchful eye of bankruptcy courts, and the companies could shed various obligations. This bodes ill for livelihoods and communities and must be carefully managed to lessen the damage to both. However, while going the bankruptcy route may make short-term economic sense, it may be too high a price to pay in terms of the devastation it would inflict on jobs, families and communities.
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Posted by: gazooks on Nov 21, 2008 3:08 AM
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Either we acknowledge the stupidity of "style" and "performance", ( I have two stylish cars with speedometers that go to 160 mph and a truck that shows 120 mph. None get better than 25 mpg), or we forget about Detroit.
Two classes of cars make sense at this point. One is high efficiency, Euro diesel tech, the other electric. Detroit should be banned from producing another gasoline powered car or truck.
Any bailout should be contingent on a quickly progressive conversion to a high % dominance of electric cars ASAP.
Regionally produceable, ultra pure GTL no sulfur diesel using advanced Euro engineering should be the only power plant available for liquid fueled cars and trucks. Their emissions standard is already better than Detroit's gasoline tech, and the economy of use about 40% better.
Our romance with excess is ending quickly. Practical, safe, Eco friendlier and operationally affordable vehicles must be qualifying any money to Detroit.
Dipsticks in engines and executive suites must become a thing of an excessive past.
Oh, and death to ethanol. Another infamous Bushco boondoggle for his corn based brethren. Also, send T Boon back to a GTL drawing board. He wants to compress a liquid-able fuel simply to control a new and unnecessary storage and delivery infrastructure.
(besides vast gas and water rights)
If innovation has a future, yesterday was the time to begin. Now it's do or die.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 21, 2008 5:36 AM
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Posted by: mnstra on Nov 21, 2008 5:54 AM
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They need to be closed down and consolidated into one big manufacturing company that makes energy efficient cars while committing to resurrect public transportation that they murdered in the 1950s
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Posted by: edgeofnowhere on Nov 21, 2008 6:29 AM
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Nov 21, 2008 6:41 AM
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The best way for the government to help GM is to take that $25 billion and use it in such a way that it creates jobs. That will get people to go buy cars. But $25 billion is only 1 million cars @ $25,000 each. That is a drop in the bucket at this point.
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Posted by: MaxAndroid on Nov 21, 2008 6:55 AM
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It's time for an new American name brand to emerge in the auto industry.
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Posted by: gregoireb on Nov 21, 2008 7:07 AM
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I see both sides of the argument for a bridge loan, but can only speak to what the impact could be on communities.
If you've seem the movie "Roger and Me", you've gotten a glimpse of Flint. It's worse now with even higher unemployment than the official state numbers (remember that they only count folks getting unemployment money), few job prospects for even educated people, and local political leadership that has consistently been as bumbling and incompetent as the leadership of the Big Two.
Here in Genesee County (where Flint is located), GM employs a total of about 7,100 people, down from around 77,000 thirty years ago (per the Flint Journal on 7-11-08). If all those jobs suddenly went away, that would potentially eliminate 5% of the local jobs and that doesn't include the ripple effect of losses in parts suppliers, etc., that happen.
That would make a community with a poor future outlook even more desperate.
There is hope for work with the growth of higher education here and there is new business development, but the number of jobs being developed is minuscule compared to current auto industry employment.
Can the Big Two be fixed, I don't know. But their failure could very well devastating for my community, Michigan and the country as a whole.
(As a point of disclosure, I should point out that I am an out of work Counselor and have been out of work in my field for five years now. Even a person with a Master's degree and lots of experience is having a very hard time getting work around here.)
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Posted by: limburger on Nov 21, 2008 7:48 AM
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Posted by: wildbill on Nov 21, 2008 9:03 AM
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True, the American car companies have had some 40 years to figure out how to compete with the Japanese, and they still haven't done it, but for the most part, they only give us what we want - big, cushy, overpowered, macho-image vehicles - and we buy them by the millions, at least until gasoline hits $4 a gallon. The American economy and lifestyle are based upon waste and excess: use it up, throw it out, get a newer, bigger, better one. Who killed the electric car? We did. Who keeps buying 3-ton, four-wheel-drive, V-10 pickups? We do, because a Toyota Tacoma doesn't look nearly as good with a gun rack in the back window as a Dodge Ram 3500.
You must be the change you want to see in the world. - Gandhi
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Posted by: Canute on Nov 21, 2008 9:08 AM
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Posted by: Social liberal on Nov 21, 2008 9:10 AM
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They laid of massive parts of their workforces but kept the labor contracts. This was possible only because e of giant leaps in productivity and the production of special steel, special paper as well as very specialized, niche cars. Sweden is today a world leader in special paper and special steel. Sweden can charge the exorbitant prices because our labor is highly educated and the labor unions are extremely adaptable to change.
The Swedish ship building and textile industry went the route that the US did with its steel industry and the route the auto industry is now going. Heavy trade tariffs, no layoffs, no automations, no further education by the labor force and rigid labor unions. These asked for government subsidies, bail outs, and for trade tariffs. What happened by the end of the 70's the ship building industry received subsidies per worker at the tune of $ 2,000,000. Nothing could help the ship building as well as the textile industry died. Instead of adapting to realities the unions, workers and corporations refused to change, it has now 30 years later led to that we have people living on permanent unemployment benefits, they and their children refuse to take any other job than what they were trained for, ship building and textile.
A bail out might as it was in Sweden be seen as a humanitarian solution for the families that otherwise would have been laid off, affected but for Sweden as a country it was a disaster, we fell from being the 4th richest country in the world to 17th, We had the best welfare system, highest rate of upwards mobility and now 30 years later we have a crumbling non sustainable welfare system and the upward mobility has stopped, small business owners have been eradicated. The US might want to take the route of the Swedish ship building and textile industry and its unions as well as raising taxes and thus killing the small business owner. The fall will not be fast but it will as in the Swedish case be slow but certain. So which route will Mr. Obama take, no pain now road to certain future destruction or the high pain road now possible redemption? My guess is he will choose the easy part and then it will be "Good Night America".
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Posted by: halrivers on Nov 21, 2008 9:45 AM
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Posted by: snowdude38 on Nov 21, 2008 10:22 AM
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We must approve this LOAN, not a freeby bailout like the wallstreet scumbags who created this mess are getting! This would be a loan just like Iacoca got in the 1980's that he paid back with interests 2 years ahead of schedule.
As long as its structured correctly with stipulations, like meeting higher CAFE standards of 40+mpg for cars and 28+mpg for light trucks, mandates every passenger car and light truck made has Hybrid technology and that Executive pay is no more than 10 times more that the highest paid assembly worker.
The ripple and wave affect to our economy if they are allowed to fail would be catastophic in proportion to and concurrent with, what we are currently already experiencing.
All of the auto suppliers, steel/aluminum plants and the plasitics manufacturers which envelops another 3+ million jobs on top of the auto industries 1.7 million jobs. Then you have 600,000 car dealerships that includes another 1.8 million jobs, domestic after market auto parts stores and assembly plants has anther 1 million jobs.
So were talking about allowing a key American industry that is responsible for providing over 8 million jobs, most of which are high paying middle class supporting union jobs, to just disappear from our economy and you are all OK with that????
That is insane and I'll tekll you why.
I worked in the American high-tech sector for over 24 years here on the west coast. This WAS a booming, job generating, middle class supporting industry that is now onlyu a meer shadow of its once robust self.
In 2001 Bush created a tax break for any company that would outsource good jobs to help the Asian markets to become more robust and economically viable. In 2002 the layoffs began first in Silicon Valley and quickly spread both North and South from there, like an unchecked wildfire.
In 2005 myself and 2200 others from Agilent Tecnologies (formerly known as the Hewlett-Packard test and measurement division) were sent packing. Starting in 2004 until 2007 approximately 9000 people/jobs were sent to Malaysia, Singapore and CHINA by this once great company.
The entire high-tech industry, once the sole possession and crown jewel of the American Industries that provided good pay and benefits for many Americans is now nearly dead or at least on life support.
And most, if not all of the business whores like Carly Finorina or as I call her "the Bitch that Destroyed OUR Company", who now spouts off her supply side-trickle down bullshit on the rightwing-TV talkinghead shows are all saying "Well its those greedy, lazy American workers who are responsible for losing their jobs".
Oh really? Then why is it that when we were outsourcing all of that work I would get calls from our customers, angry over another blue screen of death upon initial startup of our new Asian built units? They would beg and plead for me to find them an American made model. They would all say "I need one that works, please find a unit with a serial number that starts with US######, not these pieces of crap that have an MY###### or SI###### or CH######", they would rather I send them a used or refurbished older model that was made in America by hard working American workers than the cheaply made foriegn crap.
This is why we must save OUR auto industry, take it from someone who has been down this road. Oh, by the way... three years after being laid-off, I was unemployed for over a year and now work two jobs working about 65 to 70 hours a week and I make about one third what I made prior to my lay-off from the hi-tech sector.
Save America,
buy American-made Union products.
UNION YES!!!!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Nov 21, 2008 11:13 AM
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Did you ever hear of a 'Going out FOR Business Slae'? How about you bite the bullet
on your fat salaries,honor your worker agreements, and tell your shareholders to shop at 'Family Dollar' this year.
Your myopic quest for the dollar kept you from seeing,way back in the 80's, that America needed very high MPG's and alternative energy/fuel cars and trucks and went instead to creating unsafe,gas guzzling,death traps that were overpriced and way too glitzy. Your
lack of vision has cost you and now you beg us for money...FUCK YOU!!
Your's is the industry that lays people off by the thousands a week before Christmas,just to get a 4th quarter profit. Your operations create harmful emissions that kill for thousands of square miles and your products are highly overvalued.
No,you assholes are just trying to jump on the 'Bailout Bandwagon' and I got to tell you,most of America doesn't support it. For you or Wall Street. See we think the 'bailout' should be with the people and not you corpie dickholes. We know what to do with money.....
USE IT!!! Give every merican with a Social Security a hunderd and fifty grand and you'll see one hell of a stimulated economy!!!
But that would be like 'Promoting the General Welfare' and we all know how well this governance supports that notion.
If you want to stop this bailout and suspend the other just get 10 or 20 of your friends together that think the idea sucks and go visit you local Congressperson when they're at their office and tell them "NO BAILOUT! MAKE DETRIOT HAVE A SALE!" One thing's for sure,we'll find out realquick which side the government's on.
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Posted by: hilly7 on Nov 21, 2008 6:13 PM
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Time to stop grazing and notice the predators.
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Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Nov 21, 2008 6:31 PM
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» I HAVE LESS THAN 5,000 MILES ON MY NEW FIT. I BOUGHT A NEW BUICK IN
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 22, 2008 12:23 AM
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The Germans let Borgward, Loyd, and a couple others go. But they rescued Audi-Auto Union-DKW and BMW. They were bankrupt.
I don't think we ought to let them go bankrupt. I do think we do take ownership, vote our stock, and use this power to protect American jobs. When you buy Nissan what do you think is going on? It is owned by the French government. It provides jobs to French people. That is its purpose. When you buy Versa or Sentra the bodies and chassis are Renault. The engines are Japanese.
Our lassiez faire notions are suicidal. Everybody is taking care of themselves except us. We need a working soveriegn wealth fund. We must use our money to buy back our own jobs.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Nov 22, 2008 12:32 AM
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Posted by: Woodpecker on Nov 22, 2008 3:19 AM
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What a crock of ( insert expetive here)!!! Why should I buy a clunk of a car just because it has a Stars and Stripes or Union Jack on it???
Terry
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Posted by: sadashivan on Nov 25, 2008 3:55 AM
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• Present artificially escalated cost essential commodities through over speculative futures trading. Lacks of productive resources for investment, most investments are done in speculative unproductive sectors like housing, stock or other markets. These tend to create artificial demand and artificial price hike in hope more profitable business. Finally lack of demand from real needy customers dooms the market.
• Change economic pattern, both rural and urban economics be developed in same priority. Major Asian economies have gone into crisis as they relied on exports of basic commodities and manpower to developed countries resulting failures as have no demand in their own countries due to extensive poverty level.
• Generating employment in both rural and urban sectors is must for any economy to grow as a boost to generate demand.
• Finally any economic crisis or promotion is determined by the individuals of a country who buy and sell commodities or services. Country’s growth is based on the power of their individuals. Simply scaling down of inflation index or GDP growth on paper does not help real evaluation of actual growth of any economy. Inflation indexed increase or decrease is only to satisfy regulators themselves but for normal citizen it is the price of vegetable, cereal or any essential commodity that matters which practically rose by 200-300% whereas the inflation index indicates opposite to it or minor increase. (WPI) there is also variation of wholesale price and final price what a citizen pays for commodity, to get correct inflation figure retail price of the commodity that matters (CPI). Normal human has nothing to do with any high valued industrial commodities so inflation index need to classify essential and non essential commodity. Similarly, GDP growth indication too fails in countries where 50% of rural citizens are unemployed or semi-employed. Actual GDP grows when major portion of working population is engaged in production present industrial growth is beneficial to only limited nearly 5 to 10% of total population. A present economic indication criteria is totally baseless for a country which has among the largest poorest living population in the world.
Poverty a Subject
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Posted by: Caine on Nov 28, 2008 8:08 PM
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Premises
It is a strategic imperative of the USA is to minimize and eventually eliminate the need for fossil fuel-based forms of energy within the shortest period possible. The impact on our standard of living, national security, and the environment would be profound.
The US-originated automakers (the Big 3) have been hampered over past decades by a number of factors, both external and internal, that have resulted in a chronic performance malaise, particularly when compared to key competitors.
The current financial crisis has aggravated these root causes to the extent that the very existence of these organizations as currently constituted is genuinely in question.
The collapse of these organizations would carry catastrophic human and economic fallout and adversely affect US interests.
A cash injection (bailout) of any amount will not realistically address the root causes of the Big 3 malaise.
The current situation nevertheless offers the USA a unique opportunity to provide one means of addressing the stated strategic imperatives of energy self-reliance.
An alternative approach to addressing the current malaise could be taken that reconstitutes and harnesses the considerable resources of the Big 3 to focus exclusively on developing the New Generation mode of transportation and in the process creating a linchpin organization of our New Energy Economy.
Actions
Within the context of a USG financial takeover of the Big 3, put a Right Person in charge of the three entities combined with complete authority to act, reporting to joint Executive & Congressional committee whose fundamental role is more to enable than to oversee. The Right Person must be experienced in corporate workouts and be savvy with respect to alternative energy forms.
The Right person will direct all combined talent and resources (including that as may be required from outside of the Big 3) in expediting the development of New Generation vehicles and forms of energy.
All employees, both management and union, will resign as of a specified date and be re-hired at the pleasure of the Right Person under new, innovative contractual arrangements.
The benefits of all retired management & union personnel will be honored in full.
The benefits of all management & union personnel who do not participate in the New Generation organization will be honored within the framework of existing contracts.
Those who do not continue their employment will receive fair separation packages and extended assistance in finding alternative employment, including education & training as it may relate to the New Energy Economy.
Summary
America needs a national flagship in this strategically vital industry, whether as one "last man standing" company or as an entity comprised of the Big 3. Driven by imperatives critical to our nation at a time of deep crisis and uncertainty, the profound difficulties currently plaguing our Big 3 automakers could be turned into a major opportunity to catalyze the development and execution of a comprehensive strategy that redirects and transforms the significant human and other resources of the big 3 into a positive force in ushering in the New Energy Economy of our nation.
Anthony Caine
Leo Carlson
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