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Wall Street Fat Cats Are Trying to Pocket Billions in Bailout Cash
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But, it seems that Wall Street didn't get that memo. It turns out that the nine banks about to be getting a total equity capital injection of $125 billion, courtesy of Phase I of The Bailout Plan, had reserved $108 billion during the first nine months of 2008 in order to pay for compensation and bonuses (PDF).
Paying Wall Street bonuses was not supposed to be part of the plan. At least that's how Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson explained it to Congress and the American people. So, on Oct. 1, when the Senate, including Obama, approved the $700 billion bailout package, the illusion was that this would magically loosen the credit markets, and with taxpayer-funded relief, banks would first start lending to each other again, and then, to citizens and small businesses. And all would be well.
That didn't happen. Which is why it's particularly offensive that the no-strings-attached money is going to line the pockets of Wall Street execs. The country's top investment bank (which since Sept. 21 calls itself a bank holding company), Goldman Sachs, set aside $11.4 billion during the first nine months of this year -- slightly more than the firm's $10 billion U.S. government gift -- to cover bonus payments for its 443 senior partners, who are set to make about $5 million each, and other employees.
Whereas Wall Street may not believe in higher taxes for the richest citizens, it does believe in higher bonuses for the head honchos. No matter what the market conditions are on the outside, steadfast feelings of entitlement tend to prevail.
Last year, when the financial crisis was just brewing, the top five investment banks paid themselves $39 billion in compensation and bonuses, up 6 percent over 2006. Goldman's CEO, Lloyd C. Blankfein, bagged a record bonus of $60.7 million, including $26.8 million in cash. That amount was nearly double the $38 million that Paulson made at the firm in 2005, the year before he became the Treasury secretary, a post for which he received unanimous approval from the Senate on June 28, 2006.
Two of those firms, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, went bankrupt this year. Bank of America is acquiring a third, Merrill Lynch. Shares in the remaining two, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, took a 60 percent nosedive this year.
Yet, that didn't stop their campaign contribution money from spewing out. Goldman was Obama's largest corporate campaign contributor, with $874,207. Also in his top 20 were three other recipients of bailout capital: JP Morgan/Chase, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley.
Last week, House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., gave the bailout capital recipient firms until Nov 10 to come up with some darn good reasons to be paying themselves so much (PDF). Specifically, he requested detailed information on the total and average compensation per year from 2006 to 2008, the number of employees expected to be paid more than $500,000 in total compensation, and the total compensation projected for the top 10 executives.
Similarly, New York state Attorney General Andrew Cuomo demanded information about this year's bonuses, including a detailed accounting of expected payments to top management and the size of the firms' expected bonus pool before and after knowing that they would be recipients of taxpayer funds.
The deadline Cuomo set for receiving bonus records was Nov. 5. Predictably, the firms in question requested more time as the date approached -- it takes a while to massage numbers, after all.
Meanwhile, they have been subtly releasing data to the media regarding how much lower bonuses will be this year, in order to combat inspection and criticism. This is Wall Street in its best defense mode, projecting an aura of accommodation and self-pity (because it's shedding jobs, too), in order to maintain a status quo state of self-regulation.
House Financial Service Committee Chairman Barney Frank is holding his own oversight hearing on the matter next week, having announced that "any use of the these funds for any purpose other than lending -- for bonuses, for severance pay, for dividends, for acquisitions of other institutions, etc. -- is a violation of the terms" of the bailout plan.
Banks are going to tell Congress that of course they won't use that $125 billion for bonuses -- it will go to shoring up balance sheets and for acquisitions just like they promised. And bonus money will come from earnings, as it always does.
If it sounds like accounting mumbo-jumbo, that's because it is. It doesn't matter where in the balance sheet capital comes from or goes, the point is there's more of it because of taxpayer redistribution in the wrong direction than there would have been otherwise, and that's not just. This begs the larger question: Why pay bonuses in a year of massive financial destruction, anyway?
"Exactly," says Gar Alperovitz, co-author, with Lew Daly, of the new book Unjust Deserts. "We're making homeowners take a big hit, and if there's any justification for any of these bonuses -- which is dubious -- sharing that burden is important."
But that's not quite the sharing that Wall Street wanted from the bailout package. Yet, if "change has come to America," as per Obama's promise, then it's high time for Wall Street to shoulder its part -- starting with this bonus season. A decisive move by Obama on this topic would go a long way toward solidifying the central promise of his campaign.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 7, 2008 12:14 AM
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Say No to Bonuses from Tax Payer Money
thanks to Nomi for a very well written explanation of this rip off ...
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» NO TAXPAYER MONEY FOR BONUSES!
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Posted by: Nodarse on Nov 7, 2008 1:14 AM
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I sincerely hope your answer is “NO!”
But this is exactly what the “Bail-Out” boils down to. The very people who caused this mess, are the same ones being given an outrageous amount of cash to “save us.”
Are you truly “shocked” that these thieves will now treat the funds we are forced to give them in an ethical manner?
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Posted by: jon B on Nov 7, 2008 2:55 AM
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The direct line of cash from Wall Street to Washington has corrupted many a politician from both parties. I'd point out Chris Dodd as in the pocket of Wall Street as much as any Republican. A seat on the finance committee is a known position for legalized bribery.
Obama did indeed get plenty of money from Wall Street. I will be watching to see if in this regard Obama will actually be about change or business as usual.
He disappointed me with his vote on the bailout package. But, I will give him a slight pass on that because it happened at a crucial time in the election, his party supported it and that it was presented as something needed immediately. Basically the bailout was sort of a perfect storm in the middle of a fight to be rid of the Republican White House. Sometimes the bigger picture means more. Ultimately, it can be argued now, that Obama needed the bailout issue to go away quickly to defeat McCain and that it could always be revisited in other ways after the election.
But, I will be watching. No more kid gloves for Wall Street is what I'll be looking for.
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» I don't give him a pass.
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» RE: I do give him a pass for pre election moves.
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» Your Knowledge of History does NOT pass the Smell Test -- Obama is a Joke
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» RE: Your Knowledge of History... Obama is a beginner at this president thing, you are too harsh
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Posted by: jlohman on Nov 7, 2008 3:17 AM
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The real power remains in the hands of the unelected special interests, the guys who fund the elections and never run for office.
The Republicans will retain filibuster power in the US Senate and will still control much of America’s direction, or lack thereof. Not by passing their agenda but by blocking that of the Democrats. But don’t you worry, they’ll still try to blame the Dems for not making progress. (As did the Dems when they were a minority.)
See the rest of this article at MoneyedPoliticians.net
Only ending political corruption will allow voters to rule.
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» You could be right...
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» But I hope you are...
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Posted by: suckerbeagle on Nov 7, 2008 3:36 AM
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What we need most now is citizen action on the issues. The ACLU has a terrific program: Three things that Obama can do on his first day in office, and an excellent list of things he can do in his first 100 days.
Also, go to www.november5.org and sign up to get information about potential organizing in all the congressional disricts around the things we care about. It's not going to be that easy to have direct access to the new president, but our congressional reps are closer and we can make our case directly to them. The democrats in congress have been caving in to big business and wall street since they were elected two years ago with a clear mandate to end to occupation of Iraq.Now we're getting plenty of talk of more war from the new president-elect. Enough! It's time to put the heat on. www.november5.org
Jeanne
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» Nice!
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» RE: The bailout has happened - new focus
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» RE: The bailout has happened - new focus
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» RE: Reappraise!
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» No way!
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» RE: Obama shouldn't have backed the bailout
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» RE: Obama shouldn't have backed the bailout
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Posted by: jarbo on Nov 7, 2008 3:39 AM
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Posted by: ghost in the machine on Nov 7, 2008 4:11 AM
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OBAMA GAVE THESE DEGENERATES WHAT THEY WANTED ...YOUR NOT GOING TO GET MUCH CHANGE FROM HIM...HE'S ALREADY SHOWING HIS TRUE COLOURS...JUST LIKE BLAIR DID HERE AND BROWN.
TIME AMERICA WOKEUP TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING DOWN.....THIS IS NO TIME FOR ANOTHER CLINTON.
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» EVOLUTION ..HERE WE COME !!!
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» Please let us know...
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Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Nov 7, 2008 4:44 AM
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Compensation is not a sport and just because some have played it that way, at the expense of the stockholders does not justify the continuation of the sport.
A bonus is a bonus, compensation is compensation. Any company which has employees who were on board when the failure to make profits started or were occurring should never be paid a bonus for failure. After the company has broken back into profit and the bailout is repaid and shareholders start to see either dividend or value growth, then and only then should a bonus be paid.
Reward failure?? PLEASE hire me, I think it won't take long for me to figure that one out.
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» RE: BONUSES FOR LOSSES? BET I CAN LOSE MORE THAN YOU
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Posted by: villager1 on Nov 7, 2008 4:44 AM
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When will we ever learn.
Greed and power is all that seems to matter.
It reminds me of the old cliche " be careful what you wish for - you may just get it!"
No one really knows what democracy is!
I am never disappointed in our leaders - they always manage to reinforce my rather low opinion of them.
I remember when I was a kid and we kids saw rich folks driving fancy cars and exclaimed.." I wonder what he/she does..wow!" Now the new saying is " I wonder what he/she is up to?"
Maybe I am just cynical but I am old now and I wonder if there are any folk (outside of the poor) who are really worth anything!
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» what they are up to
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Posted by: blogoffanddie on Nov 7, 2008 4:47 AM
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Henry Paulson while an executive at Goldman-Sachs. made over 500 million dollars in pay, bonuses, and stock options. Maybe he could put the next bailout on his Visa card?
The bailout attempts will inevitably fail. The creation and then payment of the bailout debt (by the US taxpayer) will ultimately leave the taxpayer with less to spend, causing their economy to drop even further, resulting in more job losses, less investment and, once again, a further downsizing of the economy. This economic animal is eating its own tail.
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Remember your history people, if at first you don't succeed, destroy all the evidence.
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 7, 2008 4:50 AM
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The following is a short excerpt from an article posted on my website:
All of the leading candidates for the position of Treasury Secretary under president elect Barack Obama directly represent the old guard of the corporate elite system that has used the American economy as it’s engine to drive their march toward a global empire for decades.
Under the banner of “change” whichever of [2] these candidates is appointed to the Treasury will continue to rapidly expand the empowerment of the Federal Reserve monetary system and institute the very policies that have led us to the brink of financial ruin to move the economies of the world toward a centralized global banking system.
The Leading candidate for Obama’s Treasury Secretary is current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York [3] Tim Geithner.
go to www.911insidejob.net
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Posted by: chrysalis124812 on Nov 7, 2008 4:57 AM
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Posted by: LikeSoup on Nov 7, 2008 5:34 AM
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» You can take phony new-age "entrepreneurship" and shove it.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Nov 7, 2008 6:08 AM
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He's been in bed with Organized Corporate Crime Rule mobsters from the word go. On top of supporting the FISA spy state and 2 illegal genocide kill zones for Big Oil 9/11 "war on terror" Obama personally persuaded democrats on the hill to switch their votes for martial law Wall Street blackmail "bailout".
Anybody that believes this player is much more than a front and bagman for monopoly corporate Fascists is hallucinating.
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» RE: Obama is Snake Oil for FASCISTS
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Posted by: vkobaya1 on Nov 7, 2008 6:37 AM
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Well, 3 days after the election and we wake up to find we just bought ourselves another pig in the poke. Suckers! That's us ... again. With all the nasty smirks as usual for how dumb we are.
Obama is proving this already with his choices for his new administration. Change? Bullshit! (Used that word a lot for the Bush administration and looks like it will be just as every bit as applicable to the Obama administration.) Every one of his choices is the worst of the establishment, even down to retaining the most vile of the Bush administration. Look for this SOB to even bring back Gonzales as our Attorney General. If he doesn't, he is probably very deeply regreting that he couldn't.
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» Wack Left and wack right
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» RE: Where's the fun in that?
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Posted by: Steve W on Nov 7, 2008 6:42 AM
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"consider these items: despite massive losses, nine US banks getting $125 billion of our taxes have already spent or reserved $108 billion for employee pay and bonuses in the first nine months of 2008, almost the same as last year. Unlike other nations’ bail-out plans, ours doesn’t prevent this. According to Bloomberg Business News, Merrill Lynch, which has lost $52.2 billion, whose stock has fallen 70%, and was saved from complete collapse only by a Bank of America takeover offer, has, incredibly, set aside about $6.7 billion to pay bonuses. Even more amazing, some employees of bankrupt Lehman Brothers will get the same bonus they got last year.
This is probably just coincident to that. Washington D. C. lobbying firms got 500 new clients last month - right after Congress passed the $700 billion financial bailout bill. As a result, Washington lobbying revenues are predicted to hit $3 billion this year for the first time ever."
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Posted by: mnstra on Nov 7, 2008 6:46 AM
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Money is power,The only way we will stop that financial control of our lives is to revolt. You are a fool to think a mainstream president will do anything positive where this bail out is concerned ,unless it is to benefit those bastards on Wall Street.Start by not doing any Christmas shopping this month.Do we all have any idea how damaging it would be to stop Christmas shopping? Now.
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» RE: rn - Do we all have any idea how damaging it would be to stop Christmas shopping?
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 7, 2008 6:46 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 7, 2008 6:54 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 7, 2008 6:55 AM
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Come on lay offs, factory closings, stagante wages, reduced bennies... and all the credit cards offers our mailboxes could handle, with ever increasing Outrageous Interest rates. We were Set Up...A Sting. And every one of these Banks and their Helmsmen are to be held Legally responsible for this Highe crime of Economic Terrorism.
Consider if we were all 'forgiven' our unavoidable debt.Who wouldn't do a little shopping (with caution).And What makes a economy go round....Consumption. Trickle Dwon was innately an UNAmerican system. That is the System of Monarchies and dictatorships- many of US have known this since the '80's when the bottom nearly fell out then.what is more treasonous than to subject the Ameircan People to a System which our Founding Fathers Fought to free themselves Of?????Every SOB who injected this poison in to our system of Free Market enterprise and those who have maintained it should be Hung!
Want to know why ever scummy SOB is now trying to get into Sen Obama's good Graces, so they won't be. Pres Elect Obama MUST seek immediate,Swift and merciless Justice for US to not only set things back on the right track, but to send a CLEAR message we Will Not Tolerate This form of Terrorism and Treason EVER again!
Freeze & Seize their Ill Gotten Gains and Hang 'em High!
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» Compassion and High Road to a point
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 7, 2008 7:06 AM
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The American people overwhelmingly decided on a different course!
It is now time to start the phone-call letter-writing campaign to Congress! They have to call a halt to these shenanigans! ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 7, 2008 7:17 AM
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I said impeach the bastard then! He used that goddamn office for is own financial gain. It was one of the things the founding fathers of this country warned against and some of us didn't get it! Fcuk You assholes! I told you then to impeach that smarmy mater fornicator.
Don't let him get away! Impeach that murderous malingerer and all his Cabinet and cronies for aiding and abetting! Don't be as stupid as you are: get smart and Impeach him!
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» Unlikely
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» Big talk - and stupid, too!
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» RE: Big talk - and stupid, too!
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Nov 7, 2008 7:22 AM
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 7, 2008 7:22 AM
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Nov 7, 2008 7:34 AM
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The degree to which you address middle class concerns is the degree to which the middle class will support you.
We are waiting -- and watching.
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» Mr President-ELECT
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Posted by: ime on Nov 7, 2008 7:41 AM
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Posted by: DCostello2 on Nov 7, 2008 10:15 AM
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Nov 7, 2008 11:21 AM
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This article is just one of many that affords a lucid view into the anatomy of America as it really is. Study it and its implications and take all this information to heart.
The citizens are nothing more than worker-ants with easily programmed minds, and in reality throughout American history, that is all they ever really have been; that, and willing soldiers, and willing taxpayers, and very willing consumers.
Why now do Americans feel outrage and indignation at something that has been occurring for all the decades and centuries of this nation's existence? The capitalists WILL take all of your money as they always have and they will continue to laugh and joke about you as they sip champaigne on their great boats or in the rooms of their castles and forts and penthouses.
There is nothing new here, it is only a bit more blatant and obvious now because the Republicans know well that people can do nothing about it and that only a few will bitch, and even they will soon find some opiate to still their emotion, and they will soon forget. Slather over the crime with patriotic propaganda! It works every time.
"Bailout!" It's a metaphor of a sinking ship. It has no connection to the reality of herds of swine filling Wall Street and chomping public dollars by the millions, and tens and hundreds of millions, and more. There is no limit to greed, and greed runs this country and always has.
What can a president do? If s/he intends to further the interests of the swine, s/he can do a lot; if s/he intends to oppose them, s/he will be eaten alive and buried under the swine-sh@t of character assassination for all of posterity.
Okay, back to your opiates, one and all, consume more of them...consume and try to forget...try to forget.
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Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Nov 7, 2008 11:27 AM
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Nov 7, 2008 1:12 PM
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Of course as we know, the republican party calls it deregulation or no regulation. While a lot of us call it just plain thievery, or economic terrorism.
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Posted by: foius on Nov 7, 2008 2:54 PM
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 7, 2008 2:57 PM
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The public rebellion against the bailout that lead to its defeat in the House was very remarkable - despite an all-out push by the corporate media and the corporate wings of the Democratic and Republican parties, it went down in flames. A major factor was House members who were in close races - they suddenly were forced to listen to public opinion.
Congress and the White House are just not very sensitive to public opinion - they are very sensitive to the opinion of Wall Street, of the multinational corporations, and of wealthy trading partners like Saudi Arabia and China.
However, the bailout is just one of the last-ditch efforts of Cheney & Bush to pay off their cronies - the massive giveaways of mineral leases, the rollbacks of environmental regulations, the shady trade deals with Peru and the psychotically murderous military regime in Colombia (they've outdone the FARC in terms of random violence and ugliness, not an easy job)...
On the more positive side, it looks like Waxman might kick Dingell out of the controlling position on the Energy Committee - that's good news. If you want to do something useful, write your Congressmember and demand they support Waxman's bid - Dingell is a tool.
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Posted by: Bliss Doubt on Nov 7, 2008 3:38 PM
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I'm one who isn't sure that there is a real changing of the guard here. I suspect the election was rigged for Obama this time, when I see what company he's keeping. I'm hopeful though.
Anyway, whoever hasn't might want to see the site I just found out about, Obama's official dot gov transition website: change.gov
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Posted by: marid on Nov 7, 2008 3:39 PM
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Reagan's mantra of America is the greatest, best and will rule all, suckered the Average Joe and Jane with visions of Eutopia and the Land of Milk and Honey. He said we could continue to consume, spend, buy, use and prosper, spending far beyond what we could afford. I love the people who point fingers at the Dums, who were complicit but not at the core. 20 of the past 28 years have had Repug presidents, bought, owned, and controlled by the Corpse who are eating us alive and stealing our country and Billy Clinton was a moderate Repug owned by the same handlers.
Smaller govt, yea right, personal rights, yea right, stay out of other countries business, yea right. May the scales fall from enough people's eyes to save our country, the real mission of these people is destroy our govt by showing it to be imcompetent, which they have reinforced at every turn by electing and appointing failure after failure,"heck of a Job Brownie".
Look beyond the smoke and see the real damage and lies foisted upon us by these criminals. The Repugs have no economic policy but pillage and plunder both here and abroad. It was bound to end. Heh, and Ronnie was no shirker himself, tacked over 1.6 Trillion onto the National debt and enshrined the Military budget in a glass case to be worshipped, the savings rate dropped to negative, our export import balance fell to the negative for the first time and oil imports continued to climb. Was anyone paying attention but a few of us so-called nuts. Apparently not.
Mr. Obama, who I voted for, has an opportunity. Let's see who's side he is really on. I a hopeful, at least to a small degree, for the first time in decades. As always time will tell.
Conservatives my sweet ass. Oh and I call them Repugs because in no way do they represent what Republicans used to stand for.
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Posted by: Doyle Wheeler on Nov 7, 2008 3:53 PM
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Perhaps the Congress can step in and pass a law making it a felony for any of the Wall Streeters to take and use any of the bail out money. But for some idiot to try to pin what happens in the next two months on Obama is just a demo of their stupidity! That sounds like a great thinker like Palin would come up with something like that!
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Posted by: avatar_singh on Nov 7, 2008 5:38 PM
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pressure has to be kept ofocurse by grass root movement to put emphasis on industry rather than finance and money laundering
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Posted by: amazin on Nov 8, 2008 8:50 AM
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Now, why don't we do the sensible thing, eh? After all, if you think about it, it has never been anything other than one gigantic swindle since its inception five thousand years ago, has it? And its supposed 'value' is only what some crook decides at any moment to enrich himself and impoverish the rest of us.
So what about it? - Abolish?
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM
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Is America a little sinking boat that we are all in together, or is it a horde of pirates on Wall Street and in Washington who are robbing people blind?
We are "bailing" buckets of our hard earned dollars, we who can least afford to give up our money, and selling our future, our children into debt-bondage, to pay these extortionists, and it all goes into the booty-sacks of these pirates who are threatening to sink our boat if we don't pay--and it most decidedly does not in any way serve to "bail out our sinking boat."
This is not a "bailout," it is good, old-fashioned piratical extortion: We are threatened and in turn we pay the ransom. It is economic kidnapping, if you must have a metaphor.
As long as you go on being vulnerable to metaphors and euphemisms, you deserve to get fleeced like a bone-headed sheep.
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! WHEN WILL AMERICANS WAKE UP?
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by: Brian Ross and Jason Ryan, ABC News
A federal grand jury is investigating allegations the controversial private security firm Blackwater illegally shipped assault weapons and silencers to Iraq.Ex-employees tell ABC News the firm used dog food sacks to smuggle unauthorized weapons to Iraq. A federal grand jury in North Carolina is investigating allegations the controversial private security firm Blackwater illegally shipped assault weapons and silencers to Iraq, hidden in large sacks of dog food, ABCNews.com has learned. "The only reason you need a silencer is if you want to assassinate someone," said former CIA intelligence officer John Kiriakou, an ABC News consultant. Blackwater Likely to Be Fined Millions in Iraq Weapons Case. Prosecutors are expected to return indictments in the next few weeks, according to people familiar with the case.
The investigation of the alleged dog food smuggling scheme began last year after two Blackwater employees were caught trying to sell stolen weapons in North Carolina. The two, Kenneth Cashwell and William "Max" Grumiaux pleaded guilty in February and became government witnesses, according to court documents. Two other former employees tell ABCNews.com they also witnessed the dog food smuggling operation. They say the weapons were actually hidden inside large sacks of dog food, packaged at company headquarters in North Carolina and sent to Iraq for the company's 20 bomb-sniffing dogs. Last year, a US Department of Commerce inspector at JFK airport in New York discovered an unlicensed two-way radio hidden in a dog food sack being shipped by Blackwater to Iraq, according to people familiar with the incident. In addition to the grand jury investigation, Blackwater sources say the company is facing a multimillion-dollar fine for some 900 instances in which it violated State Department licensing requirements for the export of certain weapons.
Of the 900 cases, about 100 of them have been referred to the Department of Justice for possible criminal prosecution, according to lawyers briefed on the case.
Last month, Blackwater hired a team of former federal law enforcement officials and defense experts that it said would review the company's compliance with export laws.
Another former Blackwater insider who talked with ABCNews.com said company executives made the decision to smuggle the weapons and silencers in the dog food "because it's a war over there and our guys need them." Despite four separate federal grand jury investigations of its operations, Blackwater's contract to provide security services for the US State Department was renewed earlier this year. The contract pays Blackwater $250 million a year.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 7, 2008 12:14 AM
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Say No to Bonuses from Tax Payer Money
thanks to Nomi for a very well written explanation of this rip off ...
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Posted by: Nodarse on Nov 7, 2008 1:14 AM
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I sincerely hope your answer is “NO!”
But this is exactly what the “Bail-Out” boils down to. The very people who caused this mess, are the same ones being given an outrageous amount of cash to “save us.”
Are you truly “shocked” that these thieves will now treat the funds we are forced to give them in an ethical manner?
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Posted by: jon B on Nov 7, 2008 2:55 AM
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The direct line of cash from Wall Street to Washington has corrupted many a politician from both parties. I'd point out Chris Dodd as in the pocket of Wall Street as much as any Republican. A seat on the finance committee is a known position for legalized bribery.
Obama did indeed get plenty of money from Wall Street. I will be watching to see if in this regard Obama will actually be about change or business as usual.
He disappointed me with his vote on the bailout package. But, I will give him a slight pass on that because it happened at a crucial time in the election, his party supported it and that it was presented as something needed immediately. Basically the bailout was sort of a perfect storm in the middle of a fight to be rid of the Republican White House. Sometimes the bigger picture means more. Ultimately, it can be argued now, that Obama needed the bailout issue to go away quickly to defeat McCain and that it could always be revisited in other ways after the election.
But, I will be watching. No more kid gloves for Wall Street is what I'll be looking for.
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Posted by: jlohman on Nov 7, 2008 3:17 AM
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The real power remains in the hands of the unelected special interests, the guys who fund the elections and never run for office.
The Republicans will retain filibuster power in the US Senate and will still control much of America’s direction, or lack thereof. Not by passing their agenda but by blocking that of the Democrats. But don’t you worry, they’ll still try to blame the Dems for not making progress. (As did the Dems when they were a minority.)
See the rest of this article at MoneyedPoliticians.net
Only ending political corruption will allow voters to rule.
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Posted by: suckerbeagle on Nov 7, 2008 3:36 AM
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What we need most now is citizen action on the issues. The ACLU has a terrific program: Three things that Obama can do on his first day in office, and an excellent list of things he can do in his first 100 days.
Also, go to www.november5.org and sign up to get information about potential organizing in all the congressional disricts around the things we care about. It's not going to be that easy to have direct access to the new president, but our congressional reps are closer and we can make our case directly to them. The democrats in congress have been caving in to big business and wall street since they were elected two years ago with a clear mandate to end to occupation of Iraq.Now we're getting plenty of talk of more war from the new president-elect. Enough! It's time to put the heat on. www.november5.org
Jeanne
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Posted by: jarbo on Nov 7, 2008 3:39 AM
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Posted by: ghost in the machine on Nov 7, 2008 4:11 AM
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OBAMA GAVE THESE DEGENERATES WHAT THEY WANTED ...YOUR NOT GOING TO GET MUCH CHANGE FROM HIM...HE'S ALREADY SHOWING HIS TRUE COLOURS...JUST LIKE BLAIR DID HERE AND BROWN.
TIME AMERICA WOKEUP TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING DOWN.....THIS IS NO TIME FOR ANOTHER CLINTON.
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Posted by: Bob Graham Las Vegas on Nov 7, 2008 4:44 AM
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Compensation is not a sport and just because some have played it that way, at the expense of the stockholders does not justify the continuation of the sport.
A bonus is a bonus, compensation is compensation. Any company which has employees who were on board when the failure to make profits started or were occurring should never be paid a bonus for failure. After the company has broken back into profit and the bailout is repaid and shareholders start to see either dividend or value growth, then and only then should a bonus be paid.
Reward failure?? PLEASE hire me, I think it won't take long for me to figure that one out.
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Posted by: villager1 on Nov 7, 2008 4:44 AM
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When will we ever learn.
Greed and power is all that seems to matter.
It reminds me of the old cliche " be careful what you wish for - you may just get it!"
No one really knows what democracy is!
I am never disappointed in our leaders - they always manage to reinforce my rather low opinion of them.
I remember when I was a kid and we kids saw rich folks driving fancy cars and exclaimed.." I wonder what he/she does..wow!" Now the new saying is " I wonder what he/she is up to?"
Maybe I am just cynical but I am old now and I wonder if there are any folk (outside of the poor) who are really worth anything!
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Posted by: blogoffanddie on Nov 7, 2008 4:47 AM
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Henry Paulson while an executive at Goldman-Sachs. made over 500 million dollars in pay, bonuses, and stock options. Maybe he could put the next bailout on his Visa card?
The bailout attempts will inevitably fail. The creation and then payment of the bailout debt (by the US taxpayer) will ultimately leave the taxpayer with less to spend, causing their economy to drop even further, resulting in more job losses, less investment and, once again, a further downsizing of the economy. This economic animal is eating its own tail.
http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com
Remember your history people, if at first you don't succeed, destroy all the evidence.
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Nov 7, 2008 4:50 AM
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The following is a short excerpt from an article posted on my website:
All of the leading candidates for the position of Treasury Secretary under president elect Barack Obama directly represent the old guard of the corporate elite system that has used the American economy as it’s engine to drive their march toward a global empire for decades.
Under the banner of “change” whichever of [2] these candidates is appointed to the Treasury will continue to rapidly expand the empowerment of the Federal Reserve monetary system and institute the very policies that have led us to the brink of financial ruin to move the economies of the world toward a centralized global banking system.
The Leading candidate for Obama’s Treasury Secretary is current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York [3] Tim Geithner.
go to www.911insidejob.net
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Nov 7, 2008 6:08 AM
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He's been in bed with Organized Corporate Crime Rule mobsters from the word go. On top of supporting the FISA spy state and 2 illegal genocide kill zones for Big Oil 9/11 "war on terror" Obama personally persuaded democrats on the hill to switch their votes for martial law Wall Street blackmail "bailout".
Anybody that believes this player is much more than a front and bagman for monopoly corporate Fascists is hallucinating.
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Posted by: vkobaya1 on Nov 7, 2008 6:37 AM
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Well, 3 days after the election and we wake up to find we just bought ourselves another pig in the poke. Suckers! That's us ... again. With all the nasty smirks as usual for how dumb we are.
Obama is proving this already with his choices for his new administration. Change? Bullshit! (Used that word a lot for the Bush administration and looks like it will be just as every bit as applicable to the Obama administration.) Every one of his choices is the worst of the establishment, even down to retaining the most vile of the Bush administration. Look for this SOB to even bring back Gonzales as our Attorney General. If he doesn't, he is probably very deeply regreting that he couldn't.
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Posted by: Steve W on Nov 7, 2008 6:42 AM
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"consider these items: despite massive losses, nine US banks getting $125 billion of our taxes have already spent or reserved $108 billion for employee pay and bonuses in the first nine months of 2008, almost the same as last year. Unlike other nations’ bail-out plans, ours doesn’t prevent this. According to Bloomberg Business News, Merrill Lynch, which has lost $52.2 billion, whose stock has fallen 70%, and was saved from complete collapse only by a Bank of America takeover offer, has, incredibly, set aside about $6.7 billion to pay bonuses. Even more amazing, some employees of bankrupt Lehman Brothers will get the same bonus they got last year.
This is probably just coincident to that. Washington D. C. lobbying firms got 500 new clients last month - right after Congress passed the $700 billion financial bailout bill. As a result, Washington lobbying revenues are predicted to hit $3 billion this year for the first time ever."
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Posted by: mnstra on Nov 7, 2008 6:46 AM
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Money is power,The only way we will stop that financial control of our lives is to revolt. You are a fool to think a mainstream president will do anything positive where this bail out is concerned ,unless it is to benefit those bastards on Wall Street.Start by not doing any Christmas shopping this month.Do we all have any idea how damaging it would be to stop Christmas shopping? Now.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 7, 2008 6:46 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 7, 2008 6:54 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 7, 2008 6:55 AM
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Come on lay offs, factory closings, stagante wages, reduced bennies... and all the credit cards offers our mailboxes could handle, with ever increasing Outrageous Interest rates. We were Set Up...A Sting. And every one of these Banks and their Helmsmen are to be held Legally responsible for this Highe crime of Economic Terrorism.
Consider if we were all 'forgiven' our unavoidable debt.Who wouldn't do a little shopping (with caution).And What makes a economy go round....Consumption. Trickle Dwon was innately an UNAmerican system. That is the System of Monarchies and dictatorships- many of US have known this since the '80's when the bottom nearly fell out then.what is more treasonous than to subject the Ameircan People to a System which our Founding Fathers Fought to free themselves Of?????Every SOB who injected this poison in to our system of Free Market enterprise and those who have maintained it should be Hung!
Want to know why ever scummy SOB is now trying to get into Sen Obama's good Graces, so they won't be. Pres Elect Obama MUST seek immediate,Swift and merciless Justice for US to not only set things back on the right track, but to send a CLEAR message we Will Not Tolerate This form of Terrorism and Treason EVER again!
Freeze & Seize their Ill Gotten Gains and Hang 'em High!
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 7, 2008 7:06 AM
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The American people overwhelmingly decided on a different course!
It is now time to start the phone-call letter-writing campaign to Congress! They have to call a halt to these shenanigans! ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!!
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 7, 2008 7:17 AM
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I said impeach the bastard then! He used that goddamn office for is own financial gain. It was one of the things the founding fathers of this country warned against and some of us didn't get it! Fcuk You assholes! I told you then to impeach that smarmy mater fornicator.
Don't let him get away! Impeach that murderous malingerer and all his Cabinet and cronies for aiding and abetting! Don't be as stupid as you are: get smart and Impeach him!
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Posted by: Philip Newton on Nov 7, 2008 7:34 AM
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The degree to which you address middle class concerns is the degree to which the middle class will support you.
We are waiting -- and watching.
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Posted by: DCostello2 on Nov 7, 2008 10:15 AM
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Nov 7, 2008 11:21 AM
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This article is just one of many that affords a lucid view into the anatomy of America as it really is. Study it and its implications and take all this information to heart.
The citizens are nothing more than worker-ants with easily programmed minds, and in reality throughout American history, that is all they ever really have been; that, and willing soldiers, and willing taxpayers, and very willing consumers.
Why now do Americans feel outrage and indignation at something that has been occurring for all the decades and centuries of this nation's existence? The capitalists WILL take all of your money as they always have and they will continue to laugh and joke about you as they sip champaigne on their great boats or in the rooms of their castles and forts and penthouses.
There is nothing new here, it is only a bit more blatant and obvious now because the Republicans know well that people can do nothing about it and that only a few will bitch, and even they will soon find some opiate to still their emotion, and they will soon forget. Slather over the crime with patriotic propaganda! It works every time.
"Bailout!" It's a metaphor of a sinking ship. It has no connection to the reality of herds of swine filling Wall Street and chomping public dollars by the millions, and tens and hundreds of millions, and more. There is no limit to greed, and greed runs this country and always has.
What can a president do? If s/he intends to further the interests of the swine, s/he can do a lot; if s/he intends to oppose them, s/he will be eaten alive and buried under the swine-sh@t of character assassination for all of posterity.
Okay, back to your opiates, one and all, consume more of them...consume and try to forget...try to forget.
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Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Nov 7, 2008 11:27 AM
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Of course as we know, the republican party calls it deregulation or no regulation. While a lot of us call it just plain thievery, or economic terrorism.
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 7, 2008 2:57 PM
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The public rebellion against the bailout that lead to its defeat in the House was very remarkable - despite an all-out push by the corporate media and the corporate wings of the Democratic and Republican parties, it went down in flames. A major factor was House members who were in close races - they suddenly were forced to listen to public opinion.
Congress and the White House are just not very sensitive to public opinion - they are very sensitive to the opinion of Wall Street, of the multinational corporations, and of wealthy trading partners like Saudi Arabia and China.
However, the bailout is just one of the last-ditch efforts of Cheney & Bush to pay off their cronies - the massive giveaways of mineral leases, the rollbacks of environmental regulations, the shady trade deals with Peru and the psychotically murderous military regime in Colombia (they've outdone the FARC in terms of random violence and ugliness, not an easy job)...
On the more positive side, it looks like Waxman might kick Dingell out of the controlling position on the Energy Committee - that's good news. If you want to do something useful, write your Congressmember and demand they support Waxman's bid - Dingell is a tool.
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I'm one who isn't sure that there is a real changing of the guard here. I suspect the election was rigged for Obama this time, when I see what company he's keeping. I'm hopeful though.
Anyway, whoever hasn't might want to see the site I just found out about, Obama's official dot gov transition website: change.gov
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Posted by: marid on Nov 7, 2008 3:39 PM
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Reagan's mantra of America is the greatest, best and will rule all, suckered the Average Joe and Jane with visions of Eutopia and the Land of Milk and Honey. He said we could continue to consume, spend, buy, use and prosper, spending far beyond what we could afford. I love the people who point fingers at the Dums, who were complicit but not at the core. 20 of the past 28 years have had Repug presidents, bought, owned, and controlled by the Corpse who are eating us alive and stealing our country and Billy Clinton was a moderate Repug owned by the same handlers.
Smaller govt, yea right, personal rights, yea right, stay out of other countries business, yea right. May the scales fall from enough people's eyes to save our country, the real mission of these people is destroy our govt by showing it to be imcompetent, which they have reinforced at every turn by electing and appointing failure after failure,"heck of a Job Brownie".
Look beyond the smoke and see the real damage and lies foisted upon us by these criminals. The Repugs have no economic policy but pillage and plunder both here and abroad. It was bound to end. Heh, and Ronnie was no shirker himself, tacked over 1.6 Trillion onto the National debt and enshrined the Military budget in a glass case to be worshipped, the savings rate dropped to negative, our export import balance fell to the negative for the first time and oil imports continued to climb. Was anyone paying attention but a few of us so-called nuts. Apparently not.
Mr. Obama, who I voted for, has an opportunity. Let's see who's side he is really on. I a hopeful, at least to a small degree, for the first time in decades. As always time will tell.
Conservatives my sweet ass. Oh and I call them Repugs because in no way do they represent what Republicans used to stand for.
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Perhaps the Congress can step in and pass a law making it a felony for any of the Wall Streeters to take and use any of the bail out money. But for some idiot to try to pin what happens in the next two months on Obama is just a demo of their stupidity! That sounds like a great thinker like Palin would come up with something like that!
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pressure has to be kept ofocurse by grass root movement to put emphasis on industry rather than finance and money laundering
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Posted by: amazin on Nov 8, 2008 8:50 AM
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Now, why don't we do the sensible thing, eh? After all, if you think about it, it has never been anything other than one gigantic swindle since its inception five thousand years ago, has it? And its supposed 'value' is only what some crook decides at any moment to enrich himself and impoverish the rest of us.
So what about it? - Abolish?
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Posted by: Zeugitai on Nov 13, 2008 12:42 PM
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Is America a little sinking boat that we are all in together, or is it a horde of pirates on Wall Street and in Washington who are robbing people blind?
We are "bailing" buckets of our hard earned dollars, we who can least afford to give up our money, and selling our future, our children into debt-bondage, to pay these extortionists, and it all goes into the booty-sacks of these pirates who are threatening to sink our boat if we don't pay--and it most decidedly does not in any way serve to "bail out our sinking boat."
This is not a "bailout," it is good, old-fashioned piratical extortion: We are threatened and in turn we pay the ransom. It is economic kidnapping, if you must have a metaphor.
As long as you go on being vulnerable to metaphors and euphemisms, you deserve to get fleeced like a bone-headed sheep.
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! WHEN WILL AMERICANS WAKE UP?
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by: Brian Ross and Jason Ryan, ABC News
A federal grand jury is investigating allegations the controversial private security firm Blackwater illegally shipped assault weapons and silencers to Iraq.Ex-employees tell ABC News the firm used dog food sacks to smuggle unauthorized weapons to Iraq. A federal grand jury in North Carolina is investigating allegations the controversial private security firm Blackwater illegally shipped assault weapons and silencers to Iraq, hidden in large sacks of dog food, ABCNews.com has learned. "The only reason you need a silencer is if you want to assassinate someone," said former CIA intelligence officer John Kiriakou, an ABC News consultant. Blackwater Likely to Be Fined Millions in Iraq Weapons Case. Prosecutors are expected to return indictments in the next few weeks, according to people familiar with the case.
The investigation of the alleged dog food smuggling scheme began last year after two Blackwater employees were caught trying to sell stolen weapons in North Carolina. The two, Kenneth Cashwell and William "Max" Grumiaux pleaded guilty in February and became government witnesses, according to court documents. Two other former employees tell ABCNews.com they also witnessed the dog food smuggling operation. They say the weapons were actually hidden inside large sacks of dog food, packaged at company headquarters in North Carolina and sent to Iraq for the company's 20 bomb-sniffing dogs. Last year, a US Department of Commerce inspector at JFK airport in New York discovered an unlicensed two-way radio hidden in a dog food sack being shipped by Blackwater to Iraq, according to people familiar with the incident. In addition to the grand jury investigation, Blackwater sources say the company is facing a multimillion-dollar fine for some 900 instances in which it violated State Department licensing requirements for the export of certain weapons.
Of the 900 cases, about 100 of them have been referred to the Department of Justice for possible criminal prosecution, according to lawyers briefed on the case.
Last month, Blackwater hired a team of former federal law enforcement officials and defense experts that it said would review the company's compliance with export laws.
Another former Blackwater insider who talked with ABCNews.com said company executives made the decision to smuggle the weapons and silencers in the dog food "because it's a war over there and our guys need them." Despite four separate federal grand jury investigations of its operations, Blackwater's contract to provide security services for the US State Department was renewed earlier this year. The contract pays Blackwater $250 million a year.
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