COMMENTS: 92
How Wall Street's Scam Artists Turned Home Mortgages Into Economic WMDs
Sign up to stay up to date on the latest Economy headlines via email.
The alphabet soup of exotic investments that represent the immediate cause of the banking mess is so complex that many of those "innovative" financiers responsible for bringing the global economy to the brink of collapse are now making a fortune in consulting fees explaining just what the hell it is that they created. According to the Financial Times, Robert Reoch, the London banker who may be responsible for creating the first of the now-infamous debt-based securities, is now "swamped by investors who want to extricate themselves from derivatives-linked messes, or simply to understand the products that came out of the past few years of intense financial innovation." The Washington Post reported that Joe Cassano, the financial products manager "whose complex investments led to (AIG's) near collapse," is raking in $1 million per month in consulting fees from the ailing financial giant to help sort out the toxic sludge on (and off) the bank's books.
But despite the dense jargon, it's important to get a handle on this stuff. The global economy is at risk of a crash that would cause intense pain among millions of ordinary people, and not because of a few million homeowners overextending themselves, but rather as a result of a small number of savvy wheeler-dealers rigging an unregulated investment market in such a way that they'd always win no matter who else lost.
This is a story that's easily lost in the mumbo-jumbo of market-speak, and the investment banking community -- and its political allies -- have been working feverishly to shift the blame for the mess onto the poor and people of color, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- the large government-backed lenders -- community groups, "Congressional liberals" and even gay people.
Those charges don't even rise to the level of an argument, but that only becomes clear when you have a grasp of what all these "toxic" securities that everyone's talking about really are.
It's certainly true that people got in over their heads during a frenzy of home-buying and refinancing, and it's also true that lawmakers from across the political spectrum have long tried to increase American home ownership -- it's a politically attractive antidote to inequality.
In 2002, George Bush announced an ambitious goal to increase "the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million before the end of the decade," and in 2005, before the house of cards came tumbling down, he said, "I like the idea of home ownership. … What I want is more and more people from all walks of life, including our African-Americans, opening up the door where they live and saying, welcome to my home; welcome to my piece property [sic]."
But the focus on home mortgages misses a crucial point: Through mid-July, banks had written off about $435 billion in bad American mortgages, a drop in the bucket relative to the size of the global economy. There's simply no way that even a major drop in the value of the U.S. housing market could possibly threaten the economic health of most of the planet.
That's where "derivatives" come in. These instruments, which Warren Buffet called "the real Weapons of Mass Destruction," are "worth" about $500 trillion, or roughly 10 times the output of the global economy.
So just what is a derivative? A derivative is a piece of paper that can be bought and sold for real money but isn't attached to a real asset. Its value is simply derived from something tangible -- hence the name. You hear a lot of talk these days about the "real" nuts-and-bolts economy, and derivatives are in essence the exact opposite: They represent an unreal economy, created by financiers in mahogany-paneled office suites in New York and London, and it's this shadow economy that teeters on the edge of collapse today, threatening to bring down much of the real economy with it.
There are all sorts of derivatives. They are essentially bets -- you can bet that a market will go up, or down, or that a particular company will do well or poorly. You can bet on interest rates going up or down, or the value of a country's currency, or you can make more exotic bets about just about anything in the world -- even what the weather will be like at some point in the future.
But the current meltdown was caused by debt-backed securities tied, at some point, to the U.S. housing market. When you buy a home, that's an asset. Presuming you make your monthly payments, the mortgage held by the bank is an asset as well. When a number of mortgages are cut up and bundled together and then sold off as a security, that's a derivative.
Writing in Salon, Andrew Leonard offered a useful metaphor. He suggested that we think of the real economy like a football game, with real flesh-and-blood players running around on a real field, hitting each other and moving a real ball toward a real goal post. All those guys, the field, the equipment -- they're tangible, the same way that an asset like your house is tangible.
There are some people who have a direct stake in the game -- like the teams' owners and the players' families, agents, etc. But there are also millions of people who might bet on the outcome of the game but are in no way directly involved in the play. It's these bets that parallel the trillions of dollars in debt-based derivatives that have become so "toxic" -- they were making some people rich when the housing market was flying, but now that it's tanked, they've turned out to be bad bets, and the amount of money at stake is enormous -- far, far larger than the entire value of the U.S. housing market.
Now, we've also heard a lot about "credit default swaps," "collateralized debt obligations," "structured finance products" and a lot of other finance-speak in recent weeks. Collateralized debt obligations are collections of debt -- any kind of debt, but in this case bundles of mortgages -- that are sliced and diced and sold off to investors. Credit default swaps are like a form of insurance that allows those investors to hedge their bets, in case their guts prove wrong and the debt that they're betting will be repaid turns bad on them.
All these exotic financial vehicles are essentially contracts between two parties -- like bets between two fans -- that lay largely outside of the regulatory system that governs most of the banking sector.
In theory, there's nothing inherently wrong with any of this -- these are tools that allow sophisticated investors to control the amount of risk they're taking on when they plunk down their money to buy into some sort of security. But in practice, these exotic financial instruments have the potential to devastate the world economy. And you don't need an MBA and an intimate understanding of how "obligation acceleration derivatives" work to understand how.
You only need to understand a few central aspects of the huge market in debt-based securities that's grown up over the past three decades. In large part, they exist in a shadowy world free of regulation or oversight, they allow investment bankers to repackage risky investments into something that appears to be relatively safe (or at least safer than they really are), and they allow investors to "leverage" their investments -- essentially buying securities that they don't have the money to purchase -- to a far greater degree than traditional investments allow.
During the 1990s, when interest rates were low around the world, the demand for more exotic "structured" investments -- including various derivatives and swaps -- skyrocketed. And the investment bankers who were structuring these fancy new bets had little to lose in giving investors what they wanted, as long as the housing market -- the hard assets underpinning all this theoretical wealth -- held up.
In order to meet the demand, those financial gurus also put enormous pressure on the lending industry to lower its standards and pump out more and more loans for everything from houses to small businesses to consumers' spending -- the raw materials for the new investment vehicles they were creating out of the ether.
By doing so, speculators in the "unreal" financial economy had an enormous amount of influence over events in the real economy.
Think about that last point. It's the equivalent of people who are gambling on that football game paying off the ref, or bribing a player to fumble the ball on the five-yard line.
It's during uncertain times like these that you need the kind of fiercely independent progressive analysis that you've come to expect from AlterNet to make sense of it all. If you haven't signed up for our weekly Corporate Accountability and Workplace newsletter yet, now is the time. We simply can't fit all the economic coverage we're running on our front page, so if you're not getting the newsletter, you're missing out on some really important news and commentary. Sign up here today!
Stay up to date with the latest Economy headlines via email
Comments are closed-
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 18, 2008 1:30 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Duopoly and the Banksters would rather jeopardize the entire economy than clean up this mess. What needs to be done is very well known. The banks need to be audited and the bad banks merged with good banks. But the biggest political contributors are also the banks with the worst balance sheets.
The derivatives mess could easily be sorted out by declaring all derivatives not attached to real products illegal as a form of gambling and void them all. This is also well known as well.
We were already headed for a recession, this credit crunch will ensure a deeper, longer and more painful recession and if the Kabuki of the politicians and bankers goes awry we could see economic collapse. The sad truth is that the powers that be would risk seeing the economy in tatters, Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block rather than do what they know needs to be done, all in order to preserve their power.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: The Duopoly Won't Blam the Bankers ... Or Really Fix the Problem ...
Posted by: JSquercia
» Sunday NY Times article
Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Sunday NY Times
Posted by: weathered
» RE: Sunday NY Times article
Posted by: greenPuker
» RE: The Duopoly Won't Blam the Bankers ... Or Really Fix the Problem ...
Posted by: Chaversteve
» RE: The Duopoly Won't Blam the Bankers ... Or Really Fix the Problem ...
Posted by: mmckinl
Comments are closed-
Posted by: cbishopp on Oct 18, 2008 4:34 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I understand HOW this happened, what I don't understand is why the public outcry is so limited. Why has no one been convicted? Sure, it was a widespread problem, but there are those who initiated this behavior and there are those governing bodies who allowed it all to happen. Both are doing quite well, financially speaking.
Both presidential candidates sat idly by and waited quietly for their chance to attach, at most, a couple of small spending appropriations to a bailout bill that was not well thought out and not designed for the benefit of the American people.
Does any one else feel like it's 9-11 all over again?
Just like 9-11 this is a catastrophic event that was in the works for many years and now as the dust settles everyone looks around like they had no idea it was coming. Our great protectors scratch their heads and say "what a shame" and though they could not spot the problem as it slowly developed (the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 was repealed in 1999 thus helping to open the door), yet they had legislation ready within the hour granting themselves unmitigated power and unlimited access to our tax dollars. These emergency powers are the tools of our demise.
As a result of the passing of the Patriot Act are we in fact any safer? Have we accomplished anything through these two unsuccessful wars? Has our money been spent wisely or constructively? Has anyone been caught that has a direct proven link to 9-11?
I hate to scream the dreaded conspiracy word, at first I was as shocked and angry as everyone else, but when they dropped the Patriot Act on the table curtailing our rights and liberties and robbing the treasury just 24 short hours after not being able to get even one plane scrambled during the attacks, I knew something was up.
This situation feels no different.
Without proper analysis the bailout bill was pushed forward in record time with the caveat that it would do little to stave off a recession and possibly a depression.
I doubt any of the legislation passed to deal with the financial crisis will be any more effective and I doubt the bailout billions will result in even one downtrodden honest American finding relief. But this is just the beginning of many trillions of dollars being wasted.
Why talk about the rules of the football game when it was fixed from the start?
So let's call a spade a spade and stop calling 9-11 a terrible mishap in security, let's stop calling the aftermath of Katrina just a result of the poor organization of government agencies, and let's stop saying that the financial crisis is just a result of bad mortgages and a few greedy traders.
The United States is under attack from the inside. This attack is designed to destroy our currency and our standing in world affairs.
We need to organize now and protect ourselves.
If I am wrong then we have lost nothing for it.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: football?
Posted by: popeurbanxxiii
» lest we forget _
Posted by: yirrp
» RE: football?
Posted by: dipconsult
» RE: football?
Posted by: parrotuya
» RE: football? Hellno...GREED!
Posted by: greenPuker
Comments are closed-
Posted by: HeroesAll on Oct 18, 2008 4:42 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This current crisis sounds a lot like the East Asian meltdown of 97, and the Penn Square Bank kerfuffle of the 80s (vague on the year): a combination of greed, hubris, and panic that buggers things up for everyone.
At least this one seems to have had the beneficial result of souring the general public on the magic-of-the-market theory which has gained so much (unwarranted) traction over the last couple of decades. Who knows, we might even end up with a sensible economy based on the real economy, although I'm not holding my breath.
*A fine book about the Penn Square Bank crash - I've got the edition with the Ralph Steadman cover. Very trippy - gives the vibe of Fear and Loathing in Oklahoma.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: eminds me of "Funny Money"*
Posted by: dp1228
» RE: eminds me of "Funny Money"*
Posted by: greenPuker
Comments are closed-
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 18, 2008 5:59 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: We on Main Street need to get our shit together first and it all starts out with
Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: We on Main Street need to get our shit together first and it all starts out with
Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: We on Main Street need to get our shit together first and it all starts out with
Posted by: greenPuker
Comments are closed-
Posted by: chlamor on Oct 18, 2008 6:00 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1) The Republicans will get in line, just as the Democrats have. What a bunch of liars. Is that the master blowing his dog whistle?
2) The impact will be unclear - it could go either way.
3) The "ideology" - right and "left" - of the last thirty years is dead. Shit... Bushies going for "regulation", Wall Street going for "nationalization", so-called "leftists" reporting positively on the "alternatives" of Swedish free market neo-libs, and the "public", typically mad-as-hell, with the same stupid ignorance that has long been cultivated as the political role of the mass of Americans in their "electoral role" - "why as taxpayers... sputter... sputter..."
Lessee if we can slowly make sense of this disaster.
Just to augment this a bit:
1. Man, please, everybody already IS in line, but both sides recognize that this is much more delicate than even the last bailout -- authorizing/funding Iraq -- and, not incidentally, that bailout is still ongoing and much, much larger than this new cockamamie scheme they've got cooking.
Unlike with Iraq, which is a football they can pass/dump off a thousand ways, this dumbass plan has to "work". And it won't simply be a matter of going on Fox News and saying "the surge has succeeded beyond our wildest dreams" (ie by fiat). Class is everything so its a balancing act -- these guys can squeeze a buffalo nickel til it shits and don't intend to give a single one to anyone other than the uber-rich, but there are tactical considerations.
2. The impact of the Paulsen plan is supremely clear -- its the last gasp at a "free market solution" and everybody knows it won't "work" in turns of "saving the economy" or "rescuing us from the financial crisis". If they adopted this policy and stuck with it, it would indeed be the equivalent of swallowing a cyanide pill. But the policy will with a near certainty morph over time and probably will end up looking more than a little like those of Sweden or Japan in the 90s.
The Dems are right -- they're trying to save this putrid, festering specimen and that is exactly the task Obama (or, less likely now, McCain) will be set to. The Democrat faithful are dipshits, and don't know their arse from their elbow, but the reason they're such giant fools is that they wanna keep the Empire going every bit as much as the Repubs. They know where their bread is buttered (at least in theory, its more like they're scrambling not to be the ones who get crapped on the most).
3. Monetary independence? That's kind of an open-ended concept isn't it? The SWP and especially its sectarian offshoots think the Nazi's are coming back. It sounds far-fetched right now, but they could be right.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Let's examine this situation
Posted by: opmoc
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Alcinor on Oct 18, 2008 7:21 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have many clients that are highly educated whites, doctors even, with subprime loans. One of them is a white lawyer, actually a real estate lawyer! He is trapped in a subprime loan. Last I heard, he was still paying $20,000 per month on an empty investment house he cannot sell!
Also, the records show that 60% of those given sub prime loans could have qualified for higher quality loans but were swindled into the sub prime loans.
Another important fact that pours water all over the "Blame The Jigs" argument is that over 80% of all subprime loans were refinances!
Anyone not represented by a lawyer or financial consultant were fair game for the bait and switch and outright fraudulent tactics of the greedy banks and mortgage brokers who could triple the money they made on subprimes as opposed to regular mortgages.
Also, pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to make loans to Black and other poor people did not result in the significant amount of sub prime lending since they were Forbidden to buy sub prime loans for most of the boom time.
Anyway, Since when are Black People strong or influential enough to bring down the world’s banks and brokerage houses?
That would take an Alan Greenspan or Ben Bernanke to accomplish!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: hooligan on Oct 18, 2008 7:34 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: voodoonomics
Posted by: Evelyn
» Paragraphs. Geesh.
Posted by: JoAnne
» Paragraph spaces please
Posted by: mindful
» The railroad industry?
Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Comments are closed-
Posted by: eeezzz on Oct 18, 2008 8:32 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: bluepilgrim on Oct 18, 2008 8:46 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: elPedro on Oct 18, 2008 8:58 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yes, Democrats and Republican's alike can be blamed, but I see 22 years of that 30 being Republican. I hope Tina Fey will take me with her wherever she is going when McShame steals the election.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: John Doe III
Posted by: weathered
Comments are closed-
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 18, 2008 9:21 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
JIf
Privacy Center
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Oct 18, 2008 9:31 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now we have "investment consultants" making millions explaining their robbing tactics. Throw the bastards in jail and call them what they are...greedy capitalist pig bank robbers!
Luv,
Granny
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Elurby on Oct 18, 2008 9:42 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
#######
You're all so f...ing clueless; read and
learn, then teach the truth off what's
really afoot with this on-going dismantle-
ment of the West:
From: Deacon Elurby
To: BSardi@aol.com
Subject:
No Place to Hide,
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:25:09 +0000
Re: my report, 'Planned Destruction...,"
http://planneddestructionofamerica.blogspot.com/
I'd gathered that much, dear friend,
that your focus is more narrow than
my broadly conspiratorial approach.
It's just that nobody I'm able to
find among libertarians has dared
to report that this whole financial
debacle is not product of mis-
management and/or stupidity,
but of long-range planning by
one-world conspirators.
This is a massive, no-holds-barred
rush to impose world government.
I ask folks to extrapolate from one
clue among many: Greenspan
had openly, publicly advised pro-
spective home-buyers to take out
an ARM, in 2006.
He not only had violated his chair-
manship duties by giving such ad-
vice, but had dropped a HUGE
clue that the Federal Reserve
wished to create a MASSIVE
financial collapse - worldwide! -
so that it could gather far more
power and influence in our
day-to-day business than it
would otherwise have--if such
an extreme expansion of
risk-drenched home owner-
ship had not occurred!
Paulson has become KING of
banking, wielding unprece-
dented power through our
so-called "we the people"
Congress!
The Founding Fathers would
have raised an army to stop
such a thing.
And so it goes in our deadly
Orwellian Age; and there's
no place to hide, Bill.
-Rick
P.S. Icke has been waring that this
was coming for years:
http://www.davidicke.com/
#######
#######
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: weslen1 on Oct 18, 2008 9:44 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 18, 2008 10:04 AM
Current rating: 1 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not all lendees were out there looking to participate in a bribery scam--to fumble on their word to pay their debts--with their hands out towards willing lenders as the analogy implies. Most just saw everyone around them moving into homes they "bought" without a penny of equity, and they figured if a 60-year mortgage with an ARM* was the only way to do it, then that's exactly what they wanted. Some folks were even taken advantage of--the equivalent of someone behind a grassy knoll taking out the kicker, or a bannana peel placed strategically under the kicking tee, to extend the analogy further.
On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for letting institutions, banks, and homeowners who bought into the notion that a refrigerator packing crate under a bridge in El Cajon was viable in escrow for $150,000 just deal with those decisions. In the real world, I never got offered a bailout when I woke up about a month after I (f)leased a car and realized how stupid (f)leases are in general, mine in particular:
Hypothetical cries of, "I ammma distressed car buyer! Summabody hep me!" would have fallen on deaf, perhaps bemused ears. Why we allow our politicians to shakedown the American taxpayer, their children, and their childrens' children to prop up bad decisions by these institutions and individuals now--to subsidize stupidity--is beyond me.
*And, on the topic of ARM, when you are offered an adjustable interest rate when rates are cough, cough historically low, how would a logical-thinking fourth grader predict their interest rate to adjust? Just considering...say..."history"? Hmmmm...? "Ah, nevermind that...just gimme mah papers! I wanna be a "home owner", too!"
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Slightly unfair analogy.
Posted by: Joshua Holland
» "Most just saw everyone around them moving into homes...."
Posted by: Sojourner
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 18, 2008 10:51 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Local Communities Must become responsible for local decisions - their money - their economy and how they want to live their lives
This One World thing just leads to Dictators gaing Power and fucking us all up
The argument against local democracy is that we have historically fought other communities to steal their stuff etc
But that is better than putting all the planet's eggs in ONE basket to be controlled by the most evil psycho's that the human race has ever produced
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Timberbee on Oct 18, 2008 11:01 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thanks
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Another Very Excellent Article
Posted by: Joshua Holland
Comments are closed-
Posted by: AkamaiAthiest on Oct 18, 2008 11:16 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Purchase of a primary residence
Refinance of a primary residence
Purchase of a second or third or Nth home
Purchase of a property as an investment (speculation)
I suspect that many would fall into the last category. For people with enough money to invest, the performance of the stock market for the past 5 years has been less than stellar and interest earnings on cash have not even kept up with inflation. Real estate, on the other hand, has positively skyrocketed. Lots of money could be made if you timed it right, and greed usually trumps common sense. I saw homes in my area nearly triple in value over a 7 year period. I knew it was artificial and would collapse. I also knew it was the real estate speculators that were driving the values up. Unfortunately these inflated values affected first time home buyers as well, who ended up buying more house than they could truly afford, simply because there was nothing else on the market. They were able to buy these overpriced properties because of the availability of artificially cheap credit, the other side of the coin.
There is also a connection to the Bush tax cuts in all this. When wealthy people have extra cash to spend, which suddenly they did as a result of a tax cut, they don't use it to start or expand a business that will create new jobs. They don't give their domestic servants a raise. They invest it. They look around at the markets and ask, "How can I make more money with this money?" The answer was real estate. The only sectors of the 'real' economy that benefitted was construction. For a few years, if you were a contractor, electrician, architect, plumber, land developer, mortgage broker, real estate broker etc., you prospered. Now you are probably looking for work.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: How many 'subprime' mortgages were speculation?
Posted by: hooligan
Comments are closed-
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 18, 2008 11:31 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now try explaining "credit default swaps" - those are real brain twisters.
I am struck, over and over, by the litany about "confidence." Isn't that a type of game? As in, Ponzi scheme? I remember the tone of condescension in the reports when the Albanian economy got tangled up in a gigantic pyramid scheme. That was just about the time our own was really getting going. Now the same thing has happened to us, only we get to pull the whole temple (world economy) down with us.
So why are these "confidence" men being given $700,000,000,000 of our borrowed money, instead of being prosecuted and their ill-gotten gains confiscated?
Does it have anything to do with that little $22,000,000 tip they slipped to Barack Obama? (McCain only got $19,000,000 from Wall Street.)
Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress just took the whole "Progressive Democrats" strategy out in the alley and shot it in the head.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» We have too much money, thus confidence is necessary.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 18, 2008 11:42 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But my 15 year old daughter was walking home with her school friends past a house where there was a party going on
And someone had complained about a gate crasher
My daughter just kept on walking
When the police meat wagons turned up
She had done absolutely nothing wrong
All her friends ran for it - when they sawy the police turn up
My Daughter didn't run because she had done absolutely nothing wrong
And so she was thrown to the Ground
With a Kneel on Her Back and Handcuffed and taken to the local police station
Because she told the Cunt Doing This To Her
To FUCK OFF
And so at 3:00 am the police eventually let me see my daughter after I had agreed to sign all these forms they put in front of me
And in that situation any Dad will sign anything to get his lovely daughter released
And so she has a criminal record
Not that she has actually been charged with anything
But she was arrested and received an official police caution
And the UK Police share all their Records With The US Immigration Authorities
You Don't Think We live in a Fascist Police State?
My Daughter is Not a Terrorist
She is a Completely Briiliant Artist and Photographer who is going to University to get a Degree in Psychology
So She Can Understand All The Arseholes and attempt to moderate their behaviour
Tony
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Oct 18, 2008 11:47 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The problem is systemic, it is greed and envy.
It may feel good to tell ourselves its Wall Street's fault but the fact that we would all like to be rich and live in houses one sees on MTV cribs is a huge part of the problem.
Those on Wall Street are just in a better position to be greedy and get more money than the rest of us.
Corporations, Wall Street, they are made up of human beings who are no different than the rest of us, filled with greed and envy.
The problem is us, humanity, and the longer we live in denial of that, the longer we will go on without truly solving our problems.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» The Problem is systemic - yes - but it's not greed and envy.
Posted by: pdxjoe
» What is Freedom? Civil Freedom + Economic Freedom
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 18, 2008 12:23 PM
Current rating: 1 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When a kid got gunned down in a pool of blood at Streatham Ice Rink in South London
She said Dad - Can you give me a lift to the Train Station
And the moment Streatham Ice Rink Re-Opened She was There To See Her Gay Boyfriend Produce Complete Magic on Ice
She ain't afraid of the Police nor the gun toting kids
Tony
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: foius on Oct 18, 2008 12:58 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 18, 2008 1:16 PM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Then you make it so the fools that hock these bullshit loans,the mortgage brokers,get a great kickback for sending up applications for these loans and in a few years when the rates change to 'Christ does my ass hurt' you get forclosed on.
No one has to sell you one of these if you're unqualified.Even at the pre-quailfied rate,even if you stay way underbudget,if you're rooked into an ARM loan,you're fucked.
How do they get us? By saying "You'll have a very small payment for the first few years, by then you'll have mde raises to keep up with your payments." What Bullshit. The folks want a house so bad they don't even blink,grab the ARM loan,get screwed and then someone with pockets full of money comes along and gets your home that you got fucked out of. All because some Wall St. Financeier came up with a great way to get expensive properties for a song and probably got a million dollar bonus for dreaming up the scam.
For that reason I say " If there's any bailout made to these assholes we need to blockade Wall St., DC, and all the major trading houses."
It's time to take America back for Americans.
Working Americans. The folks that struggle everyday to make some other asswad rich while they get cancer from working conditions or get laid off a week before christmas or the ones who stand in line for food that's garbage's second cousin. The Free Market System has come to mean...we lose our freedom while they enjoy the greatest Liberty while we endure the greatest toil.
DEATH TO WALL STREET!!!!!!!!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: hooligan on Oct 18, 2008 1:19 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: 6399 on Oct 18, 2008 1:19 PM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
. . . That's why it was all the more disappointing to watch him shamelessly promote the relative strength and value of American stocks in a full-page Op-Ed piece in this morning's New York Times. It's unclear if it was HankCo or just a marauding band of CEOs who did the cajoling, but someone managed to convince Buffett that he could work miracles in drawing the hapless American investor back into an extremely volatile stock exchange. I guess they didn't bleed off enough market value on the last go round.
I hope he looks back on his actions with shame and regret, particularly when it is confirmed that the lemmings did indeed follow his advice only to watch helplessly as another $1-2 trillion is siphoned off. Goading small-time investors to get back into a market where 800-1000 point swings are commonplace, and where a great deal of wealth has already been destroyed, is irresponsible at best, and almost criminal at worst. And if this morning's market upswing was any indicator, a good number of day traders and pikers bought into his brand of happy-go-lucky bullshit and rolled the dice with the kids' college fund.
Every single indicator pointed to a down day today, and yet one folksy letter tinged with a certain nostalgia was enough to singlehandedly lifted a market that, by all rights, should have finished down 500 points. Not since WWII have fewer new homes been built, and as if that wasn't bad enough, US consumer confidence plumbed depths NEVER before seen. Waves of layoffs are only in the opening stages and nearly every corporation besides AMD and Google turned in greatly reduced dividends.
Sorry Warren, but you have been wrong before, and you're wrong this time. I know you're worshipped as a living, breathing deity in financial circles, but there is a time for everything, and you're clearly starting to slip. That you cozied up with criminal insiders to inflate their stocks (most of which are are probably in BRK's extensive portfolio) is simply unforgivable. Humanity thanks you for your generosity, but please keep your fucking nose out of everyone's fiduciary matters.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: You are a chump
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» a chump?
Posted by: weathered
» RE: a chump?
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» "...why is he one of the wealthiest men in the world?" All mob Dons are rich.
Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: "...why is he one of the wealthiest men in the world?" All mob Dons are rich.
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» And you're an idiot and corporate shill to boot.
Posted by: 6399
» RE: And you're an idiot and corporate shill to boot.
Posted by: 6399
» RE: I never said to invest in Goldman, BofA and Citigroup or any Fiancial Stock
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: Warren Buffett - investor, philanthropist, corporate shill
Posted by: Symp
Comments are closed-
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Oct 18, 2008 2:31 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Then, you had the huge government tax breaks and equally huge government corporate contracts for Bush cronies like Halliburton ($7 billion alone). The entire cost of the Iraq war was around $10 billion a month - and yet we just handed enough money to the banks to fund the war for 70 months - in one go. We also just passed a second, completely undiscussed $700 billion defense spending bill - within the same week. The press was as quiet as a mouse on that one.
Saddam's real crimes, it should be known, were first, to lock U.S. and British firms out of the Iraqi oilfields, and second, to sell that oil for euros while also converting his entire stash of U.S. dollars to euros - Saddam placed a big bet against the U.S. dollar, in other words, and won: the euro rose 30% against the dollar. That's the real reason he was invaded and deposed.
After the invasion, oil prices skyrocketed. The huge profits had to be invested somewhere, right? And much of the investment went into the U.S. housing market, in good petrodollar recycling fashion.
Those investors were conned into buying "investment packages". Those investment packages had been created by putting together a lot of adjustable rate mortgages, which promised a high future pay-out. In some cases, another layer of leverage was attached (a "derivative").
That's how the scam operated. Buyers who got adjustable rate loans then began re-assessing and refinancing their homes, which worked as for as long as home values continued to be inflated.
So, let's put it all together. Flush with oil money, hedge funds went looking for investments. Investment banks put together investment packages for the oil money that were built on shady loans, but which were nevertheless given AAA rating by the ratings agencies. The investment banks earned huge fees on every transaction. The regulators at the SEC closed their eyes and didn't question the AAA ratings, and neither did they force the hedge funds to disclose ownership.
Oil money from exorbitant profits due to the Iraq war and other Bush-Cheney handouts blew up the housing bubble. That's because the oil money was fake money - the value was artificially added by speculation, which is what a bubble is all about.
Corruption in government is what caused this, in other words. That corruption is due to the fact that leading government officials are in reality servants of the fossil fuel, weapons, pharmaceutical, telecom and finance corporations.
It's as if the umpires in our sports analogy are playing for various teams.
Then, we get a $700 billion handout to the very banks that were involved in the whole scam. Surprise, surprise, those are the very same banks that are also very heavily invested in Big Oil and Big Coal.
Historically, the best analogy is the 1907 banker's panic, which allowed the robber barons to consolidate their control over the U.S. economy and to lock out the competition. The same thing is going on right now: massive consolidation on Wall Steet is leading to the formation of a new financial cartel, one closely tied to the global fossil fuel industry.
And no, they will not be investing in clean renewable energy, I don't think.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» key puzzle piece: CFMA of 2001
Posted by: kenhymes
» Funny, same thing is true for food - futures markets set prices, not farmers.
Posted by: gunboat diplomat
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 18, 2008 2:45 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1) Yes, jacked mortgage loans are the tip of a cesspit over the massive derivatives gambling fiasco. (responsible people have been saying so for many YEARS now)
2) home prices are far overvalued with out bubble economy
3) the economy itself is based on a Ponzi scheme – a “Federal Reserve” Corp fraud (not federal with less than ZERO reserves for a parasite debt based economy)
4) virtually the only thing the U.S. actually creates of global value is Hollywood intellectual property and a bit of technology (U.S. weapons trade is an enforced non-productive bubble) that can no longer describe a “1st world” nation.
5) None of the above is an accident
Beyond these points, a far better solution on mortgages would be to publicly "capitalize" (directly fund) failing home loans at cut rates and take a swindler Ponzi banker establishment out of the loop entirely.
For it was Wall Street and its freeloading Organized Corporate Crime Regime that looted the nation into this cave-in. For Americans to let Wall Street dictate martial law ransom notes and endless "bailouts" for super-privileged parasites is jackboot insanity.
btw, the fact that a premeditated Washington-MSM axis cooked and sold unending "bailouts" signifies the obvious: "democracy" and "capitalism" in America are a bloody joke. Fascism rules.
Final point: Greenspan, Paulson and their sordid elite Wall Street extortion machine knew this crash would come years ago. They helped create it. Such ruling class shakedown artists may be many mendacious things but they were not “lone nuts” and certainly not fools.
No significant part of something this massive was a random event.
“What we have found over the years in the marketplace is that derivatives have been an extraordinarily useful vehicle to transfer risk from those who shouldn’t be taking it to those who are willing to and are capable of doing so…We think it would be a mistake to more deeply regulate.”
Alan Greespan (before the Senate Banking Committee 2003)
“Our financial institutions are in a strong financial position, and our economic fundamentals are healthy…”
Hank Paulson (IMF meeting 10/20/07)
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Timberbee on Oct 18, 2008 4:12 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 18, 2008 4:25 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
OECD Issues Damning report on BAE corruption
Increase Decrease
October 18, 2008 (LPAC)--The Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development has issued a 75 page reported on the corruption by BAE systems and the British government in bribery allegation in massive arms sales to Saudi Arabia. This is the infamous transfers of hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes by the British government and BAE to Saudi Prince Bandar. These bribes were deposited in banks in the United States and used by Bandar and his British masters as a massive slush fund to finance intelligence operations in the United States and all over the world. The U.S. Department of Justice has been investigating BAE and these bank accounts for violation of money laundering laws.
The OECD report, drafted by its Working Group on Bribery, headed by Swiss law Professor Mark Pieth condemned the British government's tolerance of corruption, especially its failure to pass an effective anti- corruption law. The study group said it was "disappointed and seriously concerned" by British behavior. The report stated that despite promising for the last 6 years to pass a new anti corruption law and prosecute major cases, the British government has done nothing.
The report goes so far as to say that if Britain continues to refuse to conform with its treaty obligations under the OECD's anti bribery convention it may "trigger a need for increased diligence over UK companies by their commercial partners or multilateral development banks," according to a OECD press release. This is a recourse usually reserved for countries led by allegedly corrupt dictators.
According to the Guardian, the report cites apparently unnamed officials for the British Serious Fraud Office saying that there had been "alleged bribery-related fraudulent misrepresentations by the BAE to the ECGD", which is the British governments export credit agency, which held responsibility for investigating alleged bribery. The SFO, told the investigators that they "had supplied to ECGD the evidence of bribery related fraud against it...involving alleged misrepresentations by the company to ECGD in connection with the issuance of insurance." But the export agency never acted on the allegations.
Officials of the ECGD refused to tell OECD investigators why they failed to act, claiming they were bound by "commercial confidence". BAE has denied everything.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 18, 2008 4:47 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Some Basics
by Michael Parenti
May 27, 2007
Counter Currents
"
GATT and subsequent free trade agreements allow multinationals to impose monopoly property rights on indigenous and communal agriculture. In this way agribusiness can better penetrate locally self-sufficient communities and monopolize their resources. Ralph Nader gives the example of the neem tree, whose extracts contain natural pesticidal and medicinal properties. Cultivated for centuries in India, the tree attracted the attention of various pharmaceutical companies, who filed monopoly patents, causing mass protests by Indian farmers. As dictated by the WTO, the pharmaceuticals now have exclusive control over the marketing of neem tree products, a ruling that is being reluctantly enforced in India. Tens of thousands of erstwhile independent farmers must now work for the powerful pharmaceuticals on profit-gorging terms set by the companies.
A trade agreement between India and the United States, the Knowledge Initiative on Agriculture (KIA), backed by Monsanto and other transnational corporate giants, allows for the grab of India’s seed sector by Monsanto, its trade sector by Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill, and its retail sector by Wal-Mart. (Wal-Mart announced plans to open 500 stores in India, starting in August 2007.) This amounts to a war against India’s independent farmers and small businesses, and a threat to India’s food security. Farmers are organizing to protect themselves against this economic invasion by maintaining traditional seed-banks and setting up systems of communal agrarian support. One farmer says, “We do not buy seeds from the market because we suspect they may be contaminated with genetically engineered or terminator seeds.”[v]
In a similar vein, the WTO ruled that the U.S. corporation RiceTec has the patent rights to all the many varieties of basmati rice, grown for centuries by India’s farmers. It also ruled that a Japanese corporation had exclusive rights in the world to grow and produce curry powder. As these instances demonstrate, what is called “free trade” amounts to international corporate monopoly control. Such developments caused Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad to observe:
We now have a situation where theft of genetic resources by western biotech TNCs [transnational corporations] enables them to make huge profits by producing patented genetic mutations of these same materials. What depths have we sunk to in the global marketplace when nature’s gifts to the poor may not be protected but their modifications by the rich become exclusive property?
Our democratic sovereignty itself is being surrendered to a secretive plutocratic trade organization that presumes to exercise a power greater than that of the people and their courts and legislatures. What we have is an international coup d’état by big capital over the nations of the world.
Globalization is a logical extension of imperialism, a victory of empire over republic, international finance capital over local productivity and nation-state democracy (such as it is).
Instead a new right has been accorded absolutist status, the right to corporate private profit.
As embodied in the free trade accords, globalization has little to do with trade and is anything but free. It benefits the rich nations over poor ones, and the rich classes within all nations at the expense of ordinary citizens."
"German labour minister Franz Muentefering has compared hedge and other speculative funds to locusts ravaging fragile economies and enterprises for short-term gains."
how bankers especially british controlled have taken over america.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Dirty hands of the british
Posted by: opmoc
Comments are closed-
Posted by: JSquercia on Oct 18, 2008 5:49 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: EJW on Oct 18, 2008 5:52 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 18, 2008 7:18 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The reason is that the Democrats have been completely complicit in all of the criminal actions and war crimes committed by Bush. If they blow the whistle, then they will be implicated.
Guess who the biggest campaign contributor to George W. Bush is? MBNA, a big credit card company. MBNA wrote the legislation that radically changed the bankruptcy laws in the US.
Predatory lending, which used to be the province of criminal loan sharks, is now the norm in the lending industry in the US.
Today's banking crisis is the THIRD trillion dollar plus US-caused financial meltdown in the last twenty years.
Each one of these crises came into being through the same basic mechanism...the fraudulent over-valuing of financial assets by Wall Street - with a "wink and a nod" (and sometimes a lot more) from the White House and Congress. The fraudulently valued assets stimulate the economy, impart the illusion of health and then, inevitably, the fraud goes too far and the whole house of card comes painfully crashing back to earth.
The White House stood in the way of any state prosecuting federal banks and mortgage companies for predatory lending. They actually used a portion of the enabling act creating the US Comptroller of the Currency to preempt the regulation and prosecution of these banks for fraudulent loan activities. This is why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated. He wrote an editorial in the Washington Post three weeks before his assassination accusing the White House of preventing any state Attorney General from prosecuting these criminal activities. Of course, the mainstream media did not report the actual reason that this politician’s sexual indiscretions were reported so immediately and excessively.
The mainstream media never reported on Bush planting in the White House press corps a gay escort, Johnny Gannon. Gannon based on the Secret Service records of visits to the White House visited the White House over 200 times and stayed overnight at least two times.
Go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and read many articles and watch videos on the well planned takedown of the US dollar by the Bush White House and the Federal Reserve Bank.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Oct 18, 2008 9:16 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That says an enormous amount about the mood of the public these days. That other article should be getting four times the traffic.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Interesting ...
Posted by: bessie
» RE: Interesting ... No, Just Sad . . .
Posted by: 6399
Comments are closed-
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 19, 2008 2:04 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: freepammer on Oct 19, 2008 9:43 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It seems outrageous that the perps are being paid to explain their crimes. They really do belong in jail like other robbers.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Much of it never existed ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Much of it never existed ...
Posted by: freepammer
Comments are closed-
Posted by: cori on Oct 19, 2008 10:39 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Well, I'm afraid that what we've seen in this decade, in this century is unprecedented. This upcoming election specifically is two sets of activities. One is vote suppression. It means various dirty tricks and tactics and legal devices used to shrink the size of the electorate before Election Day. For example, interfering with registration drives or making them vulnerable to partisan challenges or passing laws requiring certain kinds of documentation at polling places. Like the Jim Crow laws. Caging voters, which is sending them registered letters with forms that if they don't fill them out, their names will be stricken from the voter rolls. Voter purges. There's a whole huge menu of extremely ingenious devices now being used I think with unprecedented brazenness to try to make the electorate as small as possible in advance of Election Day. It makes a certain sense to try to see to it that those voters can't vote. That's one set of activities that I worry about. Also fraud by using the computerized voting systems which we now have in place in at least 80% of the country those systems through black box technology, precisely because it is so technical and it's so opaque and it's all run by private companies, private companies that have close ties to the Republican Party, the use of this kind of voting apparatus is extremely worrisome and something that we should be watching very carefully.
What is happening with ACORN is a first-class propaganda drive. The entities you've mentioned are all participating in it - Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, the McCain campaign, despite the inconvenient fact that John McCain gave the keynote speech at ACORN's annual conference in 2006. We won't talk about that. The fact is that what we're hearing about ACORN is, without exception, false. It is false. ACORN itself flagged the suspicious voter registration forms that caused this whole thing to begin in Las Vegas about ten days ago. It brought those forms to the attention of the secretary of state who then turned around and said, "Ah-ha, evidence that you're conspiring to commit voter fraud." CAGING” It's really very simple. The Republican Party, in a particular state, will get a list of the names and addresses of Democrats and send them letters that look sort of like junk mail, you know? Often they'll have windows in the envelope, the kind of thing that people are going to be inclined to throw away. And if people don't open those envelopes and take out forms that are in them and fill them out and send them in, their names will be stricken from the voter rolls on that basis. They've also been known to send these kinds of forms to people who are overseas serving in the military. Well, they're not home to check their mail, so if they don't fill out the forms, their names are stricken from the voter roll.
This is the right on which all our other rights depend, as Tom Paine said. Nothing is more important than this right. This is the right for which millions of our forebears have shed their blood, have died. This is what keeps us free. Only this. If we lose the right to pick our representatives and to get rid of the government when we don't like it anymore, if we don't have that right, if we don't have that power, we're as good as slaves.
Go to "Video the Vote" and they will give you a camera to take to the polls and interview voters.
RULES” VOTE AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.. DON’T MAIL IN YOUR BALLOT.REGISTER AND BRING YOUR ID. Even if you have already voted go back to the poll staion just to show big numbers.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: cori on Oct 19, 2008 11:51 AM
Current rating: 1 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Good golly - Colin Powell??? You mean the guy who didn't have the courage to NOT back the war?
Posted by: 6399
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 19, 2008 12:09 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our human civilisation used to be completely briiliant at building things to last
Just do a tour of England and Stonehenge and all the Cathedrals
Or find the Ampitheatres the Romans and the Greeks built all over much of Europe and Turkey and North Africa
Now of couse all these structures were built in honour of God - but it is wrong to assume the people who devoted their lives to building these masterpieces were slaves
Because if you examine their artwork in detail it is obvious that their work was produced in a state of LOVE not a state of Terror
And so our Governments have totally lost the plot - and think they can control us through FEAR and Terrorism
Well - We are Not Afraid of You
Game Over
Fuck Off
The World is Changing
And All The Main Suspects Will Stand Trial For The Crimes We Think You May Have Committed Against Humanity
You Will Not Be Protected by The Billions That You Have Stolen from us
And we are not going to have a War to bring you to Trial
Tony
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Urgelt on Oct 19, 2008 4:54 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'll just add, it seems to me that the solution to the financial crisis is to unwind all of these dumb derivative bets, not prop them up. I'd like to see Governments intervene in the real economy, helping homeowners hang onto their homes, promoting liquidity for businesses, etc. But propping up the shadow economy? I haven't yet found an economist writing in public who thinks it is even possible.
Gambling is risky; bad bets must be allowed to fail, else there is no incentive to avoid bad bets.
There are things Government should be doing about the liquidity crisis. But Paulson's bail-out is nothing but a raid on the Treasury to benefit his pals. It's revealing that Paulson and Congress could quickly agree to hand over such staggering amounts of cash to Wall Street, but have hardly even started talking about restoring Glass-Steagle or adding new oversight over derivatives trading.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Oct 19, 2008 8:17 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How much "PORK" was in this "BILL"???
It seems to me that every hand in Washington, had their hand in "OUR" cookie jar!!!
Getting "ROBBED" once, just wasn't enough, for those who are grabbing the cash with both hands, on their way out!!!
Was this not the straw, that broke Americas back???
Whats left in "FT. KNOX"??? I.O.U.'s to us, and our children's children???
How much longer, before we cry "FOUL" and "TREASON"???
We have given our nation to the "BEAST"--- "RUN FOREST RUN"!!!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rockpicker on Oct 19, 2008 11:41 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It would seem now might be an appropriate time to give the dead man SOME credit for hitting such a small nail so squarely on the head, three years before the opening of 'end game.'
If you do not know what the F I'm talking about, you owe it to yourselves to look it up. Buy it and view it, and then show it to those in your community. All America needs to see this film. It would do more to change consciousness in this country than a hundred AlterNets.
Josh, glad to see you finally telling the forbidden truth. Keep it up.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 18, 2008 1:30 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Duopoly and the Banksters would rather jeopardize the entire economy than clean up this mess. What needs to be done is very well known. The banks need to be audited and the bad banks merged with good banks. But the biggest political contributors are also the banks with the worst balance sheets.
The derivatives mess could easily be sorted out by declaring all derivatives not attached to real products illegal as a form of gambling and void them all. This is also well known as well.
We were already headed for a recession, this credit crunch will ensure a deeper, longer and more painful recession and if the Kabuki of the politicians and bankers goes awry we could see economic collapse. The sad truth is that the powers that be would risk seeing the economy in tatters, Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block rather than do what they know needs to be done, all in order to preserve their power.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: The Duopoly Won't Blam the Bankers ... Or Really Fix the Problem ...
Posted by: JSquercia
» Sunday NY Times article
Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: Sunday NY Times
Posted by: weathered
» RE: Sunday NY Times article
Posted by: greenPuker
» RE: The Duopoly Won't Blam the Bankers ... Or Really Fix the Problem ...
Posted by: Chaversteve
» RE: The Duopoly Won't Blam the Bankers ... Or Really Fix the Problem ...
Posted by: mmckinl
Comments are closed-
Posted by: cbishopp on Oct 18, 2008 4:34 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I understand HOW this happened, what I don't understand is why the public outcry is so limited. Why has no one been convicted? Sure, it was a widespread problem, but there are those who initiated this behavior and there are those governing bodies who allowed it all to happen. Both are doing quite well, financially speaking.
Both presidential candidates sat idly by and waited quietly for their chance to attach, at most, a couple of small spending appropriations to a bailout bill that was not well thought out and not designed for the benefit of the American people.
Does any one else feel like it's 9-11 all over again?
Just like 9-11 this is a catastrophic event that was in the works for many years and now as the dust settles everyone looks around like they had no idea it was coming. Our great protectors scratch their heads and say "what a shame" and though they could not spot the problem as it slowly developed (the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 was repealed in 1999 thus helping to open the door), yet they had legislation ready within the hour granting themselves unmitigated power and unlimited access to our tax dollars. These emergency powers are the tools of our demise.
As a result of the passing of the Patriot Act are we in fact any safer? Have we accomplished anything through these two unsuccessful wars? Has our money been spent wisely or constructively? Has anyone been caught that has a direct proven link to 9-11?
I hate to scream the dreaded conspiracy word, at first I was as shocked and angry as everyone else, but when they dropped the Patriot Act on the table curtailing our rights and liberties and robbing the treasury just 24 short hours after not being able to get even one plane scrambled during the attacks, I knew something was up.
This situation feels no different.
Without proper analysis the bailout bill was pushed forward in record time with the caveat that it would do little to stave off a recession and possibly a depression.
I doubt any of the legislation passed to deal with the financial crisis will be any more effective and I doubt the bailout billions will result in even one downtrodden honest American finding relief. But this is just the beginning of many trillions of dollars being wasted.
Why talk about the rules of the football game when it was fixed from the start?
So let's call a spade a spade and stop calling 9-11 a terrible mishap in security, let's stop calling the aftermath of Katrina just a result of the poor organization of government agencies, and let's stop saying that the financial crisis is just a result of bad mortgages and a few greedy traders.
The United States is under attack from the inside. This attack is designed to destroy our currency and our standing in world affairs.
We need to organize now and protect ourselves.
If I am wrong then we have lost nothing for it.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: football?
Posted by: popeurbanxxiii
» lest we forget _
Posted by: yirrp
» RE: football?
Posted by: dipconsult
» RE: football?
Posted by: parrotuya
» RE: football? Hellno...GREED!
Posted by: greenPuker
Comments are closed-
Posted by: HeroesAll on Oct 18, 2008 4:42 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This current crisis sounds a lot like the East Asian meltdown of 97, and the Penn Square Bank kerfuffle of the 80s (vague on the year): a combination of greed, hubris, and panic that buggers things up for everyone.
At least this one seems to have had the beneficial result of souring the general public on the magic-of-the-market theory which has gained so much (unwarranted) traction over the last couple of decades. Who knows, we might even end up with a sensible economy based on the real economy, although I'm not holding my breath.
*A fine book about the Penn Square Bank crash - I've got the edition with the Ralph Steadman cover. Very trippy - gives the vibe of Fear and Loathing in Oklahoma.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: eminds me of "Funny Money"*
Posted by: dp1228
» RE: eminds me of "Funny Money"*
Posted by: greenPuker
Comments are closed-
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 18, 2008 5:59 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: We on Main Street need to get our shit together first and it all starts out with
Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: We on Main Street need to get our shit together first and it all starts out with
Posted by: Karl.Ben
» RE: We on Main Street need to get our shit together first and it all starts out with
Posted by: greenPuker
Comments are closed-
Posted by: chlamor on Oct 18, 2008 6:00 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1) The Republicans will get in line, just as the Democrats have. What a bunch of liars. Is that the master blowing his dog whistle?
2) The impact will be unclear - it could go either way.
3) The "ideology" - right and "left" - of the last thirty years is dead. Shit... Bushies going for "regulation", Wall Street going for "nationalization", so-called "leftists" reporting positively on the "alternatives" of Swedish free market neo-libs, and the "public", typically mad-as-hell, with the same stupid ignorance that has long been cultivated as the political role of the mass of Americans in their "electoral role" - "why as taxpayers... sputter... sputter..."
Lessee if we can slowly make sense of this disaster.
Just to augment this a bit:
1. Man, please, everybody already IS in line, but both sides recognize that this is much more delicate than even the last bailout -- authorizing/funding Iraq -- and, not incidentally, that bailout is still ongoing and much, much larger than this new cockamamie scheme they've got cooking.
Unlike with Iraq, which is a football they can pass/dump off a thousand ways, this dumbass plan has to "work". And it won't simply be a matter of going on Fox News and saying "the surge has succeeded beyond our wildest dreams" (ie by fiat). Class is everything so its a balancing act -- these guys can squeeze a buffalo nickel til it shits and don't intend to give a single one to anyone other than the uber-rich, but there are tactical considerations.
2. The impact of the Paulsen plan is supremely clear -- its the last gasp at a "free market solution" and everybody knows it won't "work" in turns of "saving the economy" or "rescuing us from the financial crisis". If they adopted this policy and stuck with it, it would indeed be the equivalent of swallowing a cyanide pill. But the policy will with a near certainty morph over time and probably will end up looking more than a little like those of Sweden or Japan in the 90s.
The Dems are right -- they're trying to save this putrid, festering specimen and that is exactly the task Obama (or, less likely now, McCain) will be set to. The Democrat faithful are dipshits, and don't know their arse from their elbow, but the reason they're such giant fools is that they wanna keep the Empire going every bit as much as the Repubs. They know where their bread is buttered (at least in theory, its more like they're scrambling not to be the ones who get crapped on the most).
3. Monetary independence? That's kind of an open-ended concept isn't it? The SWP and especially its sectarian offshoots think the Nazi's are coming back. It sounds far-fetched right now, but they could be right.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Let's examine this situation
Posted by: opmoc
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Alcinor on Oct 18, 2008 7:21 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I have many clients that are highly educated whites, doctors even, with subprime loans. One of them is a white lawyer, actually a real estate lawyer! He is trapped in a subprime loan. Last I heard, he was still paying $20,000 per month on an empty investment house he cannot sell!
Also, the records show that 60% of those given sub prime loans could have qualified for higher quality loans but were swindled into the sub prime loans.
Another important fact that pours water all over the "Blame The Jigs" argument is that over 80% of all subprime loans were refinances!
Anyone not represented by a lawyer or financial consultant were fair game for the bait and switch and outright fraudulent tactics of the greedy banks and mortgage brokers who could triple the money they made on subprimes as opposed to regular mortgages.
Also, pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to make loans to Black and other poor people did not result in the significant amount of sub prime lending since they were Forbidden to buy sub prime loans for most of the boom time.
Anyway, Since when are Black People strong or influential enough to bring down the world’s banks and brokerage houses?
That would take an Alan Greenspan or Ben Bernanke to accomplish!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: hooligan on Oct 18, 2008 7:34 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: voodoonomics
Posted by: Evelyn
» Paragraphs. Geesh.
Posted by: JoAnne
» Paragraph spaces please
Posted by: mindful
» The railroad industry?
Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Comments are closed-
Posted by: eeezzz on Oct 18, 2008 8:32 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: bluepilgrim on Oct 18, 2008 8:46 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: elPedro on Oct 18, 2008 8:58 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Yes, Democrats and Republican's alike can be blamed, but I see 22 years of that 30 being Republican. I hope Tina Fey will take me with her wherever she is going when McShame steals the election.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: John Doe III
Posted by: weathered
Comments are closed-
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 18, 2008 9:21 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
JIf
Privacy Center
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Oct 18, 2008 9:31 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now we have "investment consultants" making millions explaining their robbing tactics. Throw the bastards in jail and call them what they are...greedy capitalist pig bank robbers!
Luv,
Granny
Granny's crazy videos = Go get a chuckle!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Elurby on Oct 18, 2008 9:42 AM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
#######
You're all so f...ing clueless; read and
learn, then teach the truth off what's
really afoot with this on-going dismantle-
ment of the West:
From: Deacon Elurby
To: BSardi@aol.com
Subject:
No Place to Hide,
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:25:09 +0000
Re: my report, 'Planned Destruction...,"
http://planneddestructionofamerica.blogspot.com/
I'd gathered that much, dear friend,
that your focus is more narrow than
my broadly conspiratorial approach.
It's just that nobody I'm able to
find among libertarians has dared
to report that this whole financial
debacle is not product of mis-
management and/or stupidity,
but of long-range planning by
one-world conspirators.
This is a massive, no-holds-barred
rush to impose world government.
I ask folks to extrapolate from one
clue among many: Greenspan
had openly, publicly advised pro-
spective home-buyers to take out
an ARM, in 2006.
He not only had violated his chair-
manship duties by giving such ad-
vice, but had dropped a HUGE
clue that the Federal Reserve
wished to create a MASSIVE
financial collapse - worldwide! -
so that it could gather far more
power and influence in our
day-to-day business than it
would otherwise have--if such
an extreme expansion of
risk-drenched home owner-
ship had not occurred!
Paulson has become KING of
banking, wielding unprece-
dented power through our
so-called "we the people"
Congress!
The Founding Fathers would
have raised an army to stop
such a thing.
And so it goes in our deadly
Orwellian Age; and there's
no place to hide, Bill.
-Rick
P.S. Icke has been waring that this
was coming for years:
http://www.davidicke.com/
#######
#######
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: weslen1 on Oct 18, 2008 9:44 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 18, 2008 10:04 AM
Current rating: 1 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Not all lendees were out there looking to participate in a bribery scam--to fumble on their word to pay their debts--with their hands out towards willing lenders as the analogy implies. Most just saw everyone around them moving into homes they "bought" without a penny of equity, and they figured if a 60-year mortgage with an ARM* was the only way to do it, then that's exactly what they wanted. Some folks were even taken advantage of--the equivalent of someone behind a grassy knoll taking out the kicker, or a bannana peel placed strategically under the kicking tee, to extend the analogy further.
On the other hand, there is a lot to be said for letting institutions, banks, and homeowners who bought into the notion that a refrigerator packing crate under a bridge in El Cajon was viable in escrow for $150,000 just deal with those decisions. In the real world, I never got offered a bailout when I woke up about a month after I (f)leased a car and realized how stupid (f)leases are in general, mine in particular:
Hypothetical cries of, "I ammma distressed car buyer! Summabody hep me!" would have fallen on deaf, perhaps bemused ears. Why we allow our politicians to shakedown the American taxpayer, their children, and their childrens' children to prop up bad decisions by these institutions and individuals now--to subsidize stupidity--is beyond me.
*And, on the topic of ARM, when you are offered an adjustable interest rate when rates are cough, cough historically low, how would a logical-thinking fourth grader predict their interest rate to adjust? Just considering...say..."history"? Hmmmm...? "Ah, nevermind that...just gimme mah papers! I wanna be a "home owner", too!"
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Slightly unfair analogy.
Posted by: Joshua Holland
» "Most just saw everyone around them moving into homes...."
Posted by: Sojourner
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 18, 2008 10:51 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Local Communities Must become responsible for local decisions - their money - their economy and how they want to live their lives
This One World thing just leads to Dictators gaing Power and fucking us all up
The argument against local democracy is that we have historically fought other communities to steal their stuff etc
But that is better than putting all the planet's eggs in ONE basket to be controlled by the most evil psycho's that the human race has ever produced
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Timberbee on Oct 18, 2008 11:01 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thanks
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Another Very Excellent Article
Posted by: Joshua Holland
Comments are closed-
Posted by: AkamaiAthiest on Oct 18, 2008 11:16 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Purchase of a primary residence
Refinance of a primary residence
Purchase of a second or third or Nth home
Purchase of a property as an investment (speculation)
I suspect that many would fall into the last category. For people with enough money to invest, the performance of the stock market for the past 5 years has been less than stellar and interest earnings on cash have not even kept up with inflation. Real estate, on the other hand, has positively skyrocketed. Lots of money could be made if you timed it right, and greed usually trumps common sense. I saw homes in my area nearly triple in value over a 7 year period. I knew it was artificial and would collapse. I also knew it was the real estate speculators that were driving the values up. Unfortunately these inflated values affected first time home buyers as well, who ended up buying more house than they could truly afford, simply because there was nothing else on the market. They were able to buy these overpriced properties because of the availability of artificially cheap credit, the other side of the coin.
There is also a connection to the Bush tax cuts in all this. When wealthy people have extra cash to spend, which suddenly they did as a result of a tax cut, they don't use it to start or expand a business that will create new jobs. They don't give their domestic servants a raise. They invest it. They look around at the markets and ask, "How can I make more money with this money?" The answer was real estate. The only sectors of the 'real' economy that benefitted was construction. For a few years, if you were a contractor, electrician, architect, plumber, land developer, mortgage broker, real estate broker etc., you prospered. Now you are probably looking for work.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: How many 'subprime' mortgages were speculation?
Posted by: hooligan
Comments are closed-
Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 18, 2008 11:31 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Now try explaining "credit default swaps" - those are real brain twisters.
I am struck, over and over, by the litany about "confidence." Isn't that a type of game? As in, Ponzi scheme? I remember the tone of condescension in the reports when the Albanian economy got tangled up in a gigantic pyramid scheme. That was just about the time our own was really getting going. Now the same thing has happened to us, only we get to pull the whole temple (world economy) down with us.
So why are these "confidence" men being given $700,000,000,000 of our borrowed money, instead of being prosecuted and their ill-gotten gains confiscated?
Does it have anything to do with that little $22,000,000 tip they slipped to Barack Obama? (McCain only got $19,000,000 from Wall Street.)
Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress just took the whole "Progressive Democrats" strategy out in the alley and shot it in the head.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» We have too much money, thus confidence is necessary.
Posted by: andabottleof_rum
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 18, 2008 11:42 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But my 15 year old daughter was walking home with her school friends past a house where there was a party going on
And someone had complained about a gate crasher
My daughter just kept on walking
When the police meat wagons turned up
She had done absolutely nothing wrong
All her friends ran for it - when they sawy the police turn up
My Daughter didn't run because she had done absolutely nothing wrong
And so she was thrown to the Ground
With a Kneel on Her Back and Handcuffed and taken to the local police station
Because she told the Cunt Doing This To Her
To FUCK OFF
And so at 3:00 am the police eventually let me see my daughter after I had agreed to sign all these forms they put in front of me
And in that situation any Dad will sign anything to get his lovely daughter released
And so she has a criminal record
Not that she has actually been charged with anything
But she was arrested and received an official police caution
And the UK Police share all their Records With The US Immigration Authorities
You Don't Think We live in a Fascist Police State?
My Daughter is Not a Terrorist
She is a Completely Briiliant Artist and Photographer who is going to University to get a Degree in Psychology
So She Can Understand All The Arseholes and attempt to moderate their behaviour
Tony
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Oct 18, 2008 11:47 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The problem is systemic, it is greed and envy.
It may feel good to tell ourselves its Wall Street's fault but the fact that we would all like to be rich and live in houses one sees on MTV cribs is a huge part of the problem.
Those on Wall Street are just in a better position to be greedy and get more money than the rest of us.
Corporations, Wall Street, they are made up of human beings who are no different than the rest of us, filled with greed and envy.
The problem is us, humanity, and the longer we live in denial of that, the longer we will go on without truly solving our problems.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» The Problem is systemic - yes - but it's not greed and envy.
Posted by: pdxjoe
» What is Freedom? Civil Freedom + Economic Freedom
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 18, 2008 12:23 PM
Current rating: 1 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When a kid got gunned down in a pool of blood at Streatham Ice Rink in South London
She said Dad - Can you give me a lift to the Train Station
And the moment Streatham Ice Rink Re-Opened She was There To See Her Gay Boyfriend Produce Complete Magic on Ice
She ain't afraid of the Police nor the gun toting kids
Tony
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: foius on Oct 18, 2008 12:58 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Oct 18, 2008 1:16 PM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Then you make it so the fools that hock these bullshit loans,the mortgage brokers,get a great kickback for sending up applications for these loans and in a few years when the rates change to 'Christ does my ass hurt' you get forclosed on.
No one has to sell you one of these if you're unqualified.Even at the pre-quailfied rate,even if you stay way underbudget,if you're rooked into an ARM loan,you're fucked.
How do they get us? By saying "You'll have a very small payment for the first few years, by then you'll have mde raises to keep up with your payments." What Bullshit. The folks want a house so bad they don't even blink,grab the ARM loan,get screwed and then someone with pockets full of money comes along and gets your home that you got fucked out of. All because some Wall St. Financeier came up with a great way to get expensive properties for a song and probably got a million dollar bonus for dreaming up the scam.
For that reason I say " If there's any bailout made to these assholes we need to blockade Wall St., DC, and all the major trading houses."
It's time to take America back for Americans.
Working Americans. The folks that struggle everyday to make some other asswad rich while they get cancer from working conditions or get laid off a week before christmas or the ones who stand in line for food that's garbage's second cousin. The Free Market System has come to mean...we lose our freedom while they enjoy the greatest Liberty while we endure the greatest toil.
DEATH TO WALL STREET!!!!!!!!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: hooligan on Oct 18, 2008 1:19 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: 6399 on Oct 18, 2008 1:19 PM
Current rating: 4 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
. . . That's why it was all the more disappointing to watch him shamelessly promote the relative strength and value of American stocks in a full-page Op-Ed piece in this morning's New York Times. It's unclear if it was HankCo or just a marauding band of CEOs who did the cajoling, but someone managed to convince Buffett that he could work miracles in drawing the hapless American investor back into an extremely volatile stock exchange. I guess they didn't bleed off enough market value on the last go round.
I hope he looks back on his actions with shame and regret, particularly when it is confirmed that the lemmings did indeed follow his advice only to watch helplessly as another $1-2 trillion is siphoned off. Goading small-time investors to get back into a market where 800-1000 point swings are commonplace, and where a great deal of wealth has already been destroyed, is irresponsible at best, and almost criminal at worst. And if this morning's market upswing was any indicator, a good number of day traders and pikers bought into his brand of happy-go-lucky bullshit and rolled the dice with the kids' college fund.
Every single indicator pointed to a down day today, and yet one folksy letter tinged with a certain nostalgia was enough to singlehandedly lifted a market that, by all rights, should have finished down 500 points. Not since WWII have fewer new homes been built, and as if that wasn't bad enough, US consumer confidence plumbed depths NEVER before seen. Waves of layoffs are only in the opening stages and nearly every corporation besides AMD and Google turned in greatly reduced dividends.
Sorry Warren, but you have been wrong before, and you're wrong this time. I know you're worshipped as a living, breathing deity in financial circles, but there is a time for everything, and you're clearly starting to slip. That you cozied up with criminal insiders to inflate their stocks (most of which are are probably in BRK's extensive portfolio) is simply unforgivable. Humanity thanks you for your generosity, but please keep your fucking nose out of everyone's fiduciary matters.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: You are a chump
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» a chump?
Posted by: weathered
» RE: a chump?
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» "...why is he one of the wealthiest men in the world?" All mob Dons are rich.
Posted by: Sojourner
» RE: "...why is he one of the wealthiest men in the world?" All mob Dons are rich.
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» And you're an idiot and corporate shill to boot.
Posted by: 6399
» RE: And you're an idiot and corporate shill to boot.
Posted by: 6399
» RE: I never said to invest in Goldman, BofA and Citigroup or any Fiancial Stock
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com
» RE: Warren Buffett - investor, philanthropist, corporate shill
Posted by: Symp
Comments are closed-
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Oct 18, 2008 2:31 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Then, you had the huge government tax breaks and equally huge government corporate contracts for Bush cronies like Halliburton ($7 billion alone). The entire cost of the Iraq war was around $10 billion a month - and yet we just handed enough money to the banks to fund the war for 70 months - in one go. We also just passed a second, completely undiscussed $700 billion defense spending bill - within the same week. The press was as quiet as a mouse on that one.
Saddam's real crimes, it should be known, were first, to lock U.S. and British firms out of the Iraqi oilfields, and second, to sell that oil for euros while also converting his entire stash of U.S. dollars to euros - Saddam placed a big bet against the U.S. dollar, in other words, and won: the euro rose 30% against the dollar. That's the real reason he was invaded and deposed.
After the invasion, oil prices skyrocketed. The huge profits had to be invested somewhere, right? And much of the investment went into the U.S. housing market, in good petrodollar recycling fashion.
Those investors were conned into buying "investment packages". Those investment packages had been created by putting together a lot of adjustable rate mortgages, which promised a high future pay-out. In some cases, another layer of leverage was attached (a "derivative").
That's how the scam operated. Buyers who got adjustable rate loans then began re-assessing and refinancing their homes, which worked as for as long as home values continued to be inflated.
So, let's put it all together. Flush with oil money, hedge funds went looking for investments. Investment banks put together investment packages for the oil money that were built on shady loans, but which were nevertheless given AAA rating by the ratings agencies. The investment banks earned huge fees on every transaction. The regulators at the SEC closed their eyes and didn't question the AAA ratings, and neither did they force the hedge funds to disclose ownership.
Oil money from exorbitant profits due to the Iraq war and other Bush-Cheney handouts blew up the housing bubble. That's because the oil money was fake money - the value was artificially added by speculation, which is what a bubble is all about.
Corruption in government is what caused this, in other words. That corruption is due to the fact that leading government officials are in reality servants of the fossil fuel, weapons, pharmaceutical, telecom and finance corporations.
It's as if the umpires in our sports analogy are playing for various teams.
Then, we get a $700 billion handout to the very banks that were involved in the whole scam. Surprise, surprise, those are the very same banks that are also very heavily invested in Big Oil and Big Coal.
Historically, the best analogy is the 1907 banker's panic, which allowed the robber barons to consolidate their control over the U.S. economy and to lock out the competition. The same thing is going on right now: massive consolidation on Wall Steet is leading to the formation of a new financial cartel, one closely tied to the global fossil fuel industry.
And no, they will not be investing in clean renewable energy, I don't think.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» key puzzle piece: CFMA of 2001
Posted by: kenhymes
» Funny, same thing is true for food - futures markets set prices, not farmers.
Posted by: gunboat diplomat
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 18, 2008 2:45 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
1) Yes, jacked mortgage loans are the tip of a cesspit over the massive derivatives gambling fiasco. (responsible people have been saying so for many YEARS now)
2) home prices are far overvalued with out bubble economy
3) the economy itself is based on a Ponzi scheme – a “Federal Reserve” Corp fraud (not federal with less than ZERO reserves for a parasite debt based economy)
4) virtually the only thing the U.S. actually creates of global value is Hollywood intellectual property and a bit of technology (U.S. weapons trade is an enforced non-productive bubble) that can no longer describe a “1st world” nation.
5) None of the above is an accident
Beyond these points, a far better solution on mortgages would be to publicly "capitalize" (directly fund) failing home loans at cut rates and take a swindler Ponzi banker establishment out of the loop entirely.
For it was Wall Street and its freeloading Organized Corporate Crime Regime that looted the nation into this cave-in. For Americans to let Wall Street dictate martial law ransom notes and endless "bailouts" for super-privileged parasites is jackboot insanity.
btw, the fact that a premeditated Washington-MSM axis cooked and sold unending "bailouts" signifies the obvious: "democracy" and "capitalism" in America are a bloody joke. Fascism rules.
Final point: Greenspan, Paulson and their sordid elite Wall Street extortion machine knew this crash would come years ago. They helped create it. Such ruling class shakedown artists may be many mendacious things but they were not “lone nuts” and certainly not fools.
No significant part of something this massive was a random event.
“What we have found over the years in the marketplace is that derivatives have been an extraordinarily useful vehicle to transfer risk from those who shouldn’t be taking it to those who are willing to and are capable of doing so…We think it would be a mistake to more deeply regulate.”
Alan Greespan (before the Senate Banking Committee 2003)
“Our financial institutions are in a strong financial position, and our economic fundamentals are healthy…”
Hank Paulson (IMF meeting 10/20/07)
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Timberbee on Oct 18, 2008 4:12 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 18, 2008 4:25 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
OECD Issues Damning report on BAE corruption
Increase Decrease
October 18, 2008 (LPAC)--The Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development has issued a 75 page reported on the corruption by BAE systems and the British government in bribery allegation in massive arms sales to Saudi Arabia. This is the infamous transfers of hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes by the British government and BAE to Saudi Prince Bandar. These bribes were deposited in banks in the United States and used by Bandar and his British masters as a massive slush fund to finance intelligence operations in the United States and all over the world. The U.S. Department of Justice has been investigating BAE and these bank accounts for violation of money laundering laws.
The OECD report, drafted by its Working Group on Bribery, headed by Swiss law Professor Mark Pieth condemned the British government's tolerance of corruption, especially its failure to pass an effective anti- corruption law. The study group said it was "disappointed and seriously concerned" by British behavior. The report stated that despite promising for the last 6 years to pass a new anti corruption law and prosecute major cases, the British government has done nothing.
The report goes so far as to say that if Britain continues to refuse to conform with its treaty obligations under the OECD's anti bribery convention it may "trigger a need for increased diligence over UK companies by their commercial partners or multilateral development banks," according to a OECD press release. This is a recourse usually reserved for countries led by allegedly corrupt dictators.
According to the Guardian, the report cites apparently unnamed officials for the British Serious Fraud Office saying that there had been "alleged bribery-related fraudulent misrepresentations by the BAE to the ECGD", which is the British governments export credit agency, which held responsibility for investigating alleged bribery. The SFO, told the investigators that they "had supplied to ECGD the evidence of bribery related fraud against it...involving alleged misrepresentations by the company to ECGD in connection with the issuance of insurance." But the export agency never acted on the allegations.
Officials of the ECGD refused to tell OECD investigators why they failed to act, claiming they were bound by "commercial confidence". BAE has denied everything.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 18, 2008 4:47 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Some Basics
by Michael Parenti
May 27, 2007
Counter Currents
"
GATT and subsequent free trade agreements allow multinationals to impose monopoly property rights on indigenous and communal agriculture. In this way agribusiness can better penetrate locally self-sufficient communities and monopolize their resources. Ralph Nader gives the example of the neem tree, whose extracts contain natural pesticidal and medicinal properties. Cultivated for centuries in India, the tree attracted the attention of various pharmaceutical companies, who filed monopoly patents, causing mass protests by Indian farmers. As dictated by the WTO, the pharmaceuticals now have exclusive control over the marketing of neem tree products, a ruling that is being reluctantly enforced in India. Tens of thousands of erstwhile independent farmers must now work for the powerful pharmaceuticals on profit-gorging terms set by the companies.
A trade agreement between India and the United States, the Knowledge Initiative on Agriculture (KIA), backed by Monsanto and other transnational corporate giants, allows for the grab of India’s seed sector by Monsanto, its trade sector by Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill, and its retail sector by Wal-Mart. (Wal-Mart announced plans to open 500 stores in India, starting in August 2007.) This amounts to a war against India’s independent farmers and small businesses, and a threat to India’s food security. Farmers are organizing to protect themselves against this economic invasion by maintaining traditional seed-banks and setting up systems of communal agrarian support. One farmer says, “We do not buy seeds from the market because we suspect they may be contaminated with genetically engineered or terminator seeds.”[v]
In a similar vein, the WTO ruled that the U.S. corporation RiceTec has the patent rights to all the many varieties of basmati rice, grown for centuries by India’s farmers. It also ruled that a Japanese corporation had exclusive rights in the world to grow and produce curry powder. As these instances demonstrate, what is called “free trade” amounts to international corporate monopoly control. Such developments caused Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad to observe:
We now have a situation where theft of genetic resources by western biotech TNCs [transnational corporations] enables them to make huge profits by producing patented genetic mutations of these same materials. What depths have we sunk to in the global marketplace when nature’s gifts to the poor may not be protected but their modifications by the rich become exclusive property?
Our democratic sovereignty itself is being surrendered to a secretive plutocratic trade organization that presumes to exercise a power greater than that of the people and their courts and legislatures. What we have is an international coup d’état by big capital over the nations of the world.
Globalization is a logical extension of imperialism, a victory of empire over republic, international finance capital over local productivity and nation-state democracy (such as it is).
Instead a new right has been accorded absolutist status, the right to corporate private profit.
As embodied in the free trade accords, globalization has little to do with trade and is anything but free. It benefits the rich nations over poor ones, and the rich classes within all nations at the expense of ordinary citizens."
"German labour minister Franz Muentefering has compared hedge and other speculative funds to locusts ravaging fragile economies and enterprises for short-term gains."
how bankers especially british controlled have taken over america.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Dirty hands of the british
Posted by: opmoc
Comments are closed-
Posted by: JSquercia on Oct 18, 2008 5:49 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: EJW on Oct 18, 2008 5:52 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 18, 2008 7:18 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The reason is that the Democrats have been completely complicit in all of the criminal actions and war crimes committed by Bush. If they blow the whistle, then they will be implicated.
Guess who the biggest campaign contributor to George W. Bush is? MBNA, a big credit card company. MBNA wrote the legislation that radically changed the bankruptcy laws in the US.
Predatory lending, which used to be the province of criminal loan sharks, is now the norm in the lending industry in the US.
Today's banking crisis is the THIRD trillion dollar plus US-caused financial meltdown in the last twenty years.
Each one of these crises came into being through the same basic mechanism...the fraudulent over-valuing of financial assets by Wall Street - with a "wink and a nod" (and sometimes a lot more) from the White House and Congress. The fraudulently valued assets stimulate the economy, impart the illusion of health and then, inevitably, the fraud goes too far and the whole house of card comes painfully crashing back to earth.
The White House stood in the way of any state prosecuting federal banks and mortgage companies for predatory lending. They actually used a portion of the enabling act creating the US Comptroller of the Currency to preempt the regulation and prosecution of these banks for fraudulent loan activities. This is why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated. He wrote an editorial in the Washington Post three weeks before his assassination accusing the White House of preventing any state Attorney General from prosecuting these criminal activities. Of course, the mainstream media did not report the actual reason that this politician’s sexual indiscretions were reported so immediately and excessively.
The mainstream media never reported on Bush planting in the White House press corps a gay escort, Johnny Gannon. Gannon based on the Secret Service records of visits to the White House visited the White House over 200 times and stayed overnight at least two times.
Go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and read many articles and watch videos on the well planned takedown of the US dollar by the Bush White House and the Federal Reserve Bank.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Oct 18, 2008 9:16 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That says an enormous amount about the mood of the public these days. That other article should be getting four times the traffic.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» RE: Interesting ...
Posted by: bessie
» RE: Interesting ... No, Just Sad . . .
Posted by: 6399
Comments are closed-
Posted by: sicntired on Oct 19, 2008 2:04 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: freepammer on Oct 19, 2008 9:43 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It seems outrageous that the perps are being paid to explain their crimes. They really do belong in jail like other robbers.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Much of it never existed ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Much of it never existed ...
Posted by: freepammer
Comments are closed-
Posted by: cori on Oct 19, 2008 10:39 AM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Well, I'm afraid that what we've seen in this decade, in this century is unprecedented. This upcoming election specifically is two sets of activities. One is vote suppression. It means various dirty tricks and tactics and legal devices used to shrink the size of the electorate before Election Day. For example, interfering with registration drives or making them vulnerable to partisan challenges or passing laws requiring certain kinds of documentation at polling places. Like the Jim Crow laws. Caging voters, which is sending them registered letters with forms that if they don't fill them out, their names will be stricken from the voter rolls. Voter purges. There's a whole huge menu of extremely ingenious devices now being used I think with unprecedented brazenness to try to make the electorate as small as possible in advance of Election Day. It makes a certain sense to try to see to it that those voters can't vote. That's one set of activities that I worry about. Also fraud by using the computerized voting systems which we now have in place in at least 80% of the country those systems through black box technology, precisely because it is so technical and it's so opaque and it's all run by private companies, private companies that have close ties to the Republican Party, the use of this kind of voting apparatus is extremely worrisome and something that we should be watching very carefully.
What is happening with ACORN is a first-class propaganda drive. The entities you've mentioned are all participating in it - Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, the McCain campaign, despite the inconvenient fact that John McCain gave the keynote speech at ACORN's annual conference in 2006. We won't talk about that. The fact is that what we're hearing about ACORN is, without exception, false. It is false. ACORN itself flagged the suspicious voter registration forms that caused this whole thing to begin in Las Vegas about ten days ago. It brought those forms to the attention of the secretary of state who then turned around and said, "Ah-ha, evidence that you're conspiring to commit voter fraud." CAGING” It's really very simple. The Republican Party, in a particular state, will get a list of the names and addresses of Democrats and send them letters that look sort of like junk mail, you know? Often they'll have windows in the envelope, the kind of thing that people are going to be inclined to throw away. And if people don't open those envelopes and take out forms that are in them and fill them out and send them in, their names will be stricken from the voter rolls on that basis. They've also been known to send these kinds of forms to people who are overseas serving in the military. Well, they're not home to check their mail, so if they don't fill out the forms, their names are stricken from the voter roll.
This is the right on which all our other rights depend, as Tom Paine said. Nothing is more important than this right. This is the right for which millions of our forebears have shed their blood, have died. This is what keeps us free. Only this. If we lose the right to pick our representatives and to get rid of the government when we don't like it anymore, if we don't have that right, if we don't have that power, we're as good as slaves.
Go to "Video the Vote" and they will give you a camera to take to the polls and interview voters.
RULES” VOTE AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.. DON’T MAIL IN YOUR BALLOT.REGISTER AND BRING YOUR ID. Even if you have already voted go back to the poll staion just to show big numbers.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: cori on Oct 19, 2008 11:51 AM
Current rating: 1 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
» Good golly - Colin Powell??? You mean the guy who didn't have the courage to NOT back the war?
Posted by: 6399
Comments are closed-
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 19, 2008 12:09 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Our human civilisation used to be completely briiliant at building things to last
Just do a tour of England and Stonehenge and all the Cathedrals
Or find the Ampitheatres the Romans and the Greeks built all over much of Europe and Turkey and North Africa
Now of couse all these structures were built in honour of God - but it is wrong to assume the people who devoted their lives to building these masterpieces were slaves
Because if you examine their artwork in detail it is obvious that their work was produced in a state of LOVE not a state of Terror
And so our Governments have totally lost the plot - and think they can control us through FEAR and Terrorism
Well - We are Not Afraid of You
Game Over
Fuck Off
The World is Changing
And All The Main Suspects Will Stand Trial For The Crimes We Think You May Have Committed Against Humanity
You Will Not Be Protected by The Billions That You Have Stolen from us
And we are not going to have a War to bring you to Trial
Tony
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: Urgelt on Oct 19, 2008 4:54 PM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'll just add, it seems to me that the solution to the financial crisis is to unwind all of these dumb derivative bets, not prop them up. I'd like to see Governments intervene in the real economy, helping homeowners hang onto their homes, promoting liquidity for businesses, etc. But propping up the shadow economy? I haven't yet found an economist writing in public who thinks it is even possible.
Gambling is risky; bad bets must be allowed to fail, else there is no incentive to avoid bad bets.
There are things Government should be doing about the liquidity crisis. But Paulson's bail-out is nothing but a raid on the Treasury to benefit his pals. It's revealing that Paulson and Congress could quickly agree to hand over such staggering amounts of cash to Wall Street, but have hardly even started talking about restoring Glass-Steagle or adding new oversight over derivatives trading.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Oct 19, 2008 8:17 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How much "PORK" was in this "BILL"???
It seems to me that every hand in Washington, had their hand in "OUR" cookie jar!!!
Getting "ROBBED" once, just wasn't enough, for those who are grabbing the cash with both hands, on their way out!!!
Was this not the straw, that broke Americas back???
Whats left in "FT. KNOX"??? I.O.U.'s to us, and our children's children???
How much longer, before we cry "FOUL" and "TREASON"???
We have given our nation to the "BEAST"--- "RUN FOREST RUN"!!!
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Comments are closed-
Posted by: rockpicker on Oct 19, 2008 11:41 PM
Current rating: Not yet rated [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It would seem now might be an appropriate time to give the dead man SOME credit for hitting such a small nail so squarely on the head, three years before the opening of 'end game.'
If you do not know what the F I'm talking about, you owe it to yourselves to look it up. Buy it and view it, and then show it to those in your community. All America needs to see this film. It would do more to change consciousness in this country than a hundred AlterNets.
Josh, glad to see you finally telling the forbidden truth. Keep it up.
[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]
Tax the Corporations and the Rich or Take Draconian Cuts -- the Decision Is Ours
Home Underwater? Walk Away from Geithner's Perverse 'Homeowner Relief' Plan
Fury at Wall St. Banks Fuels Public Action for Move Your Money Campaign




