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The Woman Who Could Have Prevented This Financial Mess Was Silenced by Greenspan, Rubin and Summers
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Now millions have been sprayed and damaged by broken glass.
But more than a decade ago, a woman you're likely never to have heard of, Brooksley Born, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission -- a federal agency that regulates options and futures trading -- was the oracle whose warnings about the dangerous boom in derivatives trading just might have averted the calamitous bust now engulfing the US and global markets. Instead she was met with scorn, condescension and outright anger by former Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and his deputy Lawrence Summers. In fact, Greenspan, the man some affectionately called "The Oracle," spent his political capital cheerleading these disastrous financial instruments.
On Thursday, the New York Times ran a masterful and revealing front page article exposing the culpability of Greenspan, Rubin and Summers for the era of dangerous turbulence we live in.
What these "three marketeers" -- as they were called in a 1999 Time magazine cover story -- were adept at was peddling the timebombs at the heart of this complex crisis: exotic and opaque financial instruments known as derivatives -- contracts intended to hedge against risk and whose values are derived from underlying assets. To cut to the quick, Greenspan, Rubin and Summers opposed regulating them. "Proposals to bring even minimalist regulation were basically rebuffed by Greenspan and various people in the Treasury," recalls Alan Blinder, a former Federal Reserve board member and economist at Princeton University, in the Times article.
In 1997, Brooksley Born warned in congressional testimony that unregulated trading in derivatives could "threaten our regulated markets or, indeed, our economy without any federal agency knowing about it." Born called for greater transparency -- disclosure of trades and reserves as a buffer against losses.
Instead of heeding this oracle's warnings, Greenspan, Rubin & Summers rushed to silence her. As the Times story reveals, Born's wise warnings "incited fierce opposition" from Greenspan and Rubin who "concluded that merely discussing new rules threatened the derivatives market." Greenspan deployed condescension and told Born she didn't know what she doing and she'd cause a financial crisis. (A senior Commission director who worked with Born suggests that Greenspan and the guys didn't like her independence. " Brooksley was this woman who was not playing tennis with these guys and not having lunch with these guys. There was a little bit of the feeling that this woman was not of Wall Street.")
In early 1998, according to the Times story, one of the guys, Larry Summers, called Born to "chastise her for taking steps he said would lead to a financial crisis. But Born kept at it, unwilling to let arrogant men undermine her good judgment. But it got tougher out there. In June 1998, Greenspan, Rubin and the then head of the SEC, Arthur Levitt, Jr., called on Congress "to prevent Ms. Born from acting until more senior regulators developed their own recommendations." (Levitt now says he regrets that decision.) Months later, the huge hedge fund Long Term Capital Management nearly collapsed -- confirming some of Born's warnings. (Bets on derivatives were a key reason.)
"Despite that event," the Times reports, " Congress (apparently as a result of Greenspan & Summer's urging, influence-peddling and pressure) "froze" Born's Commissions' regulatory authority. The next year, Born left as head of the Commission. Born did not talk to the Times for their article.
What emerges is a story of reckless, willful and arrogant action and behavior designed to undermine a wise woman's good judgment. The three marketeers' disdain for modest regulation of new and risky financial instruments reveals a faith-based fundamentalist approach to the management of markets and risk. If there is any accountability left in our system, Greenspan, Rubin and Summers should not be telling anyone how to run anything. Instead, Barack Obama might do well to bring back Brooksley Born and promote to his team economists who haven't contributed to the ugly mess we're in.
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Posted by: Russianrocket on Oct 11, 2008 2:23 AM
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Interesting article, except for the fact that derivatives have very little to do with the current crisis. The current crisis was just caused by a generic asset bubble. Up until AIG, no firms had experienced substantial losses due to derivatives. I find it a bit annoying that everyone in the media keeps on pinning this crisis on derivatives, because they are exotic and complex. The fact of the matter is there is just too much debt in the system right now and it's crashing down. Nothing too exotic about that. In short, please stop blaming derivatives, it's just distracting and doesn't help address the problems that need to be addressed, like the insolvency of our banking industry.
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Posted by: strahlungsamt on Oct 11, 2008 3:36 AM
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I remember going around to companies, looking for work, and asking them all for cash in lieu of stock options.
Boy did I get some dirty looks.
Best part: I don't know anyone from back then who still has his/her stock options intact.
Suckers!
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» What you just described fits perfectly with the concept of "Evil in various systems"
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Posted by: greentime on Oct 11, 2008 3:47 AM
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"nothing from nothing leaves nothing"?
Well, Born knew something that's for sure. Speculation is always a leading edge of a boom or bust cycle, especially when that speculation is in land. This can mean both real estate and resources in economics. Top that off with speculation in the nothingness of derivatives and down comes the house of greed.
There are legions of highly intelligent women (and less aggressive but highly intelligent men) around this good earth that not only haven't been listened to, they've been locked out. Sometimes they've been targeted or destroyed for simply trying to contribute and balance the aggressive thinking of this "man's world".
Maybe we should rethink this business of only being bullish or bearish. Maybe there can be room for a wide range of other behaviors that would lead to a more stable economy.
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» We have a name for unchecked growth: CANCER
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» Dustdevil, this is exactly the shit that makes you a reactionary and not a progressive.
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» Yellow, did you author the Wall Street bailout bill? . . .
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» Money changers, engineers of Greed !
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Posted by: Sheila Parks on Oct 11, 2008 4:38 AM
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Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
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Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 11, 2008 5:00 AM
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German labour minister Franz Muentefering has compared hedge and other speculative funds to locusts ravaging fragile economies and enterprises for short-term gains.
this article appears in the March 2, 2007 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
There are, worldwide, between $500 and $600 billion in investments outside Japan, which took place with the help of cheap yen credits, benefitting from the favorable interest rates. If the yen now starts to rise, on the basis of the rise in interest rates, the effect would be much greater than 0.25%. The main beneficiaries of the carry-trade are the big banks, hedge funds, and equity funds, whose derivatives trading has led recently to a worldwide pyramiding of all segments of the market. The gigantic bubble of the casino-economy has to grow; that is, it must make profits, and for this it requires a continuous flow of liquidity. At the moment that these capital streams start to flow in the opposite direction, because of the changed interest rates and exchange rates, panic and an interlinked cluster of risks could lead to a meltdown of the system.
Who Is Really To Blame?
A widespread misconception exists, that behind the "financial locusts"—which are massively participating in the carry-trade, and which are now snapping up everything that's not nailed down, including in Germany, from Mittelstand [small and medium-sized] enterprises—there lurks somehow "the U.S.A." and "Wall Street." Indeed they are involved; but as the Economist reported in its Feb. 3-9 issue, in an article headlined "Britannia Redux: A special report on Britain," the City of London boasts that it is henceforth the most important financial center in the world, and thus the British Empire has been revived in the form of globalization.
And London is not the capital city of a normal nation, but also that of the Commonwealth, to which, for example, the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, and the Bahamas belong. And according to the the CIMA, financial authority of the Cayman Islands, 7,481 of the 9,000 worldwide hedge funds are registered in the Cayman Islands, a British Crown Colony. These so-called offshore markets are subject to no banking oversight or regulation on the part of central banks or governments. In 1993, the "Mutual Fund Law" was passed, according to which the simplified establishment or registration of hedge funds in a deregulated system should be facilitated. The goal was that the Cayman Islands—which have already been, since the beginning of the bubble economy, with the creation of the Eurodollar market, an Eldorado of uncontrolled credit creation—should be made into even more of a pivot of the "finance industry."
Since the middle of the 1990s, the hedge funds were advised to have their financial operations registered in the Cayman Islands, where they could operate outside national laws and regulation. In this way, the hedge funds got the biggest share in the British financial system. In the course of time, the banks that had initially been the main credit sources for the hedge funds, became increasingly consolidated with these funds, which now, through their takeovers, are exploiting and sucking out the wealth of many nations.
How the Locust Funds Operate
The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) reports that there are $370 trillion in outstanding so-called over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives. The largest type of derivatives are interest-rate derivatives, with $262 trillion, of which 34% are handled in London, and 24% in New York and Chicago. The third-largest category of derivatives is the $38 trillion in foreign-exchange (currency) derivatives, of which 49% are handled in London, and only 16% in New York. And these bubbles
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Posted by: anarchris on Oct 11, 2008 5:53 AM
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If only we'd listened to Hillary, we'd go to war in Iraq and 'obliterate Iran.'
If only we'd be like the whoa-men! soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison we'd smear men with fecal matter and mentrual fluid on their faces and sexually humiliate them and employ the excuse of the nazis:' just following orders-just doing my job'.
If only we were like Condi Rice and commit war crimes and tell the world 'People like us Americans' they 'disagree' with us- but they like us!
If only Jesus and Ghandi and King and the others would be like Catherine the Great and Cleopatra and the Queens of England!
We're not saying we're superior to men- just different! and that's different than the white supremacists who say: 'we ain't sayin' we's superior to the blacks-jes' d'ffernt'.
Poor Born! They 'deployed condescension' against this 'oracle'-well let's just say it-Goddess!!!
But it may be of some comfort to know that statues will be erected in her honour and a special place reserved for her in heaven and her name shall be written upon the hearts of all those who love freedom and decency! And though they would not lunch with her nor invite her to play tennis, she shall sup with the saints and know the loneliness of the tragic heroine(sp?) no more!
My only question is why womyn would bother to trust a mAn like Barack Obama to clean up this mess! This world needs a who?men's touch.
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Posted by: ArmageddonKitten on Oct 11, 2008 6:32 AM
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John McCain was one of the "Lincoln Five," and central to the last S&L crisis. Why anyone would want to put him in office (just because he changes his tune when the wind starts blowing in the other direction) is beyond me.
And this goes for all the other yahoos in Congress who think that their voting records aren't a matter of history. I say we throw ALL the incumbents out of office except the ones that tried to inject some sanity into the world.
I was surprised to learn that Ron Paul spoke out against the financial markets well before the crash. I'm a Dem by default, and learning that he'd promoted regulation was a breath of fresh air.
And everyone who voted against the bailout? I say they get to stay. Check Congressional records to see who came to their senses and who took leave of them.
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» RE:member all that Gold convinscated at the bottom of the Twin Towers?
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» The gold is gone. Long long gone.
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 11, 2008 6:48 AM
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Jiff
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» Not a moron - an interesting case study
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Posted by: Gisele on Oct 11, 2008 7:21 AM
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The man then announced that he would now pay $20 for each one. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. But soon the supply diminished even further and they were ever harder to catch, so people started going back to their farms and forgot about monkey catching.
The man increased his price to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce that it was an effort to even see a monkey, much less catch one. The man now announced that he would buy monkeys for $50! However, Since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would now buy on his behalf.
While the man was away the assistant told the villagers. 'Look at All these monkeys in the big cage that the man has bought. I will sell them to you at $35 each and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each.' The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys. They never saw the man nor his assistant again and once more there were monkeys everywhere.
Now do you understand why and how the stock market works?
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Posted by: RegK on Oct 11, 2008 7:25 AM
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They should be in jail, along with Greenspan. At a minimum they should return every dollar they were paid to perform 'public service'!
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Posted by: bluepilgrim on Oct 11, 2008 7:37 AM
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"How is the wheat production", he asks.
The farmer says "Last year the wheat was good, this year it's better, and, God willing, next year will be better yet".
"Now comrad", says the official, "You know there really is no God".
"Yes", says the farmer", and you know there really is no wheat".
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Posted by: Cynic13 on Oct 11, 2008 10:35 AM
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That glass ceiling may have cracks in it, but the status quo is now glazing over those cracks and reinforcing the ceiling!
GIRL/WOMAN POWER!!!!
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 11, 2008 11:23 AM
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No wonder he pushed so hard for the bailout!
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» You should take a look at the articles titled "voters guide". They exclude 3rd parties.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 11, 2008 11:48 AM
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No wonder my wife and I love Ralph Nader above those two party bozos !
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» No, apparently it still has to be about men only. Geez, just mention the word "woman" and watch
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 11, 2008 1:09 PM
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An upper-crust, annual social gathering founded in 1981 by Philip Lader, former U.S. Ambassador to the UK, and his wife, Linda LeSourd Lader, Renaissance Weekends are private, invitation-only retreats for leaders in business and finance, government, the media, religion, medicine, science, technology and the arts.
Conversations are strictly off the record and subject matter ranges widely, tending to focus heavily on policy and business issues.
Previous Renaissance Weekends were co-hosted by presidents Bill Clinton and Gerald Ford.
For a sample list of past attendees, click on Renaissance Weeked
Here is a partial list of names and and their credentials:
Stephen Breyer (Associate Justice of U.S. Supreme Court)
Louis Cabot (Former Chm., Cabot Corp. & Brookings Institution)
Tony Campollo (President, Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education)
Hodding Carter (Former President, Knight Foundation and U.S. Assistant Secretary of State)
Steve Case (Former Chm., AOL Time Warner)
Gordon Conway (Former President, Rockefeller Foundation)
Howard Fineman (Chief Political Correspondent, Newsweek/TV Commentator)
David Gergen (Former Presidential Advisor/Editor-at-large, U.S. News & World Report)
Bob Graham (Former U.S. Senator & Florida Governor)
Sir Jeremy Greenstock (Former British Ambassador to the United Nations)
Ricki Tigert Helfer (Former Chair, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation)
Alexis Herman (Former U.S. Secretary of Labor)
Arianna Huffington (Political Commentator)
Myron Kandel (Former Financial Editor, CNN)
Rich Karlgaard (Publisher, Forbes)
David A. Keene (Chairman, The American Conservative Union)
William Kennard (Partner, Carlyle Group/Former Chm., Federal Communications Commission)
Jim Kolbe (Former U.S. Congressman)
Frank Luntz (Republican Political Consultant)
Sir Deryck Maughan (Former Chm., Citigroup International)
Newton Minow (Former Chm., F.C.C. & RAND Corp.)
Leslie Moonves (Chm., CBS)
Jay Nordlinger (Managing Editor, National Review)
Norman Ornstein (Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute)
William Perry (Former U.S. Secretary of Defense)
David Pottruck (Former Chief Executive Officer, Charles Schwab Corp.)
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen (Former N.A.T.O. Secretary-General)
Judith Rodin (President, Rockefeller Foundation)
Paul Russo (Former Special Assistant to President Reagan)
Robert Schuller II (Minister)
Christopher Shays (U.S. Congressman)
John Templeton, Jr. (President, Templeton Foundation)
Richard Thornburgh (Former U.S. Attorney-General & Pennsylvania Governor)
Richard Viguerie (Former Publisher, Conservative Digest)
Murray Weidenbaum (Former Chm., President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers)
Marina von Neumann Whitman (Frmr. Member, President Nixon's Council of Economic Advisers)
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Posted by: maggiemahar on Oct 11, 2008 3:29 PM
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This meltdown is not just about the real estate bubble or the sub-prime mortgages. It's about a total lack of regulation which goes back to the stock market bubble of 1982-1999.
For the last 15-plus years, low interest rates and no regulations have guaranteed that too many dollars will be chasing too few assets.
This means that assets (like real estate and stocks) are over-valued. Meanwhile people borrow in order to buy them, and debt builds.
Brooksley Born was trying to warn people-- but she was ignored, in large part because she was not part of the boys' club. Though I have to add that a number of honest, extremely intellgient men who also were not part of the club were ingored.
That said, it's much easier to just brush off an intelligent woman. Especially if she has gotten far enough to be on the fringes of the club-- "How dare she?!"
As for the NYT story. It was excellent--but a little late?
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Posted by: berger788 on Oct 11, 2008 5:01 PM
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First appointed Fed chairman by President Ronald Reagan in August 1987, Greenspan was reappointed at successive four-year intervals until retiring on January 31, 2006 after the second-longest tenure in the position. Greenspan was lauded for his handling of the Black Monday October 19, 1987, stock market crash that occurred very shortly after he first became chairman, as well as for his stewardship of the Internet-driven, "dot-com" economic boom of the 1990s. This expansion eventually ended in a burst in March 2000 leading to an economic downturn, including negative GDP growth in the first quarter of 2001.[1]
In the early 1950s, Greenspan began an association with famed novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand that would last until her death in 1982.[12] He wrote for Rand’s newsletters and authored several essays in her book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.[13] Rand stood beside him at his 1974 swearing-in as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers.[12]
I wonder how much of Rand’s Objectivism is behind our Crash of 2008.
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Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 11, 2008 5:44 PM
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Posted by: TruthBeTold on Oct 11, 2008 5:46 PM
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Who was she to tell Greenspan, Rubin and Summers anything?
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» You said it! And who's this katrina Vanden Heuvel?
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 11, 2008 8:05 PM
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It's pretty informative and supports so much the other shoe that's ready to drop.
Here again Lyndon Larouche warned of too. Of whom he has been trying to tell America to wake up for years, to the impending doom that has finally been manifesting do to the sheeples unattention to their country. Definitely another unsung hero. Yah, he was put in jail for mail fraud because he protested being taxed for not recognizng the fiat money that most everyone one has finally accepted as being true.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 11, 2008 8:37 PM
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What is it going to take to get you all pissed enough to startknocking off all these bastards.
I don't get it.
But I'll bet a trillion dollars if Bush is impeached the economy will start to rebound. And if he is hung by the neck until dead the planet will find peace like no other ever known. The world will rejoice. Bells will ring. Fireworks will be heard around the world.
But, Bush still talks to the public and everyone stops to be entertained so they have something to vent about.
Henry Paulson and Bernake should be taken out and physically beaten. Then thrown into stock in the public square to be pummelled.
Bush and the Neacon Tribe need to be tarred and feathered. Cheney needs to be beheaded, and burned on a stake. Rove the turd blossum needs the iron maiden treatment. Alan Greenspan, the rack.
Newt Gingridge, quarterd. Rummy, keel hauled on the bottom of Enterprise. Condi, strip her ass naked and and chased through Darfur. Wolfowitz, water boarded relentlessly.(Feel free to add, there are plenty that need to be recongnized.)
What is it going to take to make these ass holes pay?
The most curious funny part about this whole bail-out is the politcians say Amercans are gong to have to bear the burden, The candidates don't want to tax us to pay out the Trillion $ give-away. I just don't get how anyone is going to be able to pay if there is no money! ( Besides I vow not to pay a damn thing. The whole ship can go straight to hell.)
I mean we can't pay off a debt with money we borrow with more debt.
Like, my personal IOU is as good as it gets. If I get payed or have "Fed notes" why are those worth any more than mine?
A promise to pay........when ever we get around to it!
Ah, A Round Tuit!..... A wooden nickle.
"This note is Legal Tender (that's legal to offer) for all debts, Public and private." But we don't have to accept it!
Got Euros? (more paper).
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Posted by: richholland on Oct 12, 2008 5:19 AM
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in 1953 a young engineer reported his boss of the Dutch water and dykes ministerie that due to the war the dykes werenot safe anymore.
The man was displaced and had to keep his mouth shut for the rest of his life, because in that year dykes broke and 1900 people drowned.
Why I mention this???
Any important decission is made in a team, and donot forget the important THING;
only in soap TV a maverick wins in real life POWER wins right or wrong.
The problem is the system not hedging, mortgage, derivates or terrorists reshuffle your values/
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Oct 12, 2008 4:29 PM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 13, 2008 1:22 PM
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The name "russianrocket" caught my attention since the people originally tasked to create the archane algorythms for the derivatives were out of work Russian rocket scientists. Is our friend "Russianrocket" one of these mad scientists that created what Buffett called "finacial weapons of mass destruction"? No wonder he doesn't want us to "look behind the curtain"!
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Rubin was also bad news for progressive Democrats who again pushed the Wall street point of view.
The opinion was slanted by Vanden Heuvel's feminism that was a little too antagonistic imo. yes Rubin Greenspan and Summes are arrogant male know-it-all economists and I think their gender contributes to their arrogance but I think it is their intellectualism compounded by professional financial rewards that are larger contributors to their dismissal of other opinions.
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Posted by: Russianrocket on Oct 11, 2008 2:23 AM
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Interesting article, except for the fact that derivatives have very little to do with the current crisis. The current crisis was just caused by a generic asset bubble. Up until AIG, no firms had experienced substantial losses due to derivatives. I find it a bit annoying that everyone in the media keeps on pinning this crisis on derivatives, because they are exotic and complex. The fact of the matter is there is just too much debt in the system right now and it's crashing down. Nothing too exotic about that. In short, please stop blaming derivatives, it's just distracting and doesn't help address the problems that need to be addressed, like the insolvency of our banking industry.
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» Doesn't the derivatives market compare with . . .
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» Right, because the newspapers are just FILLED with truth.
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» Russianrocket...look just below the surface.
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» Depends on what you definitions of 'is' is.
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» RE: ussianrocket...look just below the surface.
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» Schnookums, you have the politics of this down good....
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» Sorry, here is the printed version which is easier to read
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» I concede the point.
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» russian rocket goes no where, fast.
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» Rocket, you need to learn simple arithmatic
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» I've heard all of this before
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» Crap!
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Posted by: strahlungsamt on Oct 11, 2008 3:36 AM
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I remember going around to companies, looking for work, and asking them all for cash in lieu of stock options.
Boy did I get some dirty looks.
Best part: I don't know anyone from back then who still has his/her stock options intact.
Suckers!
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» What you just described fits perfectly with the concept of "Evil in various systems"
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Posted by: greentime on Oct 11, 2008 3:47 AM
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"nothing from nothing leaves nothing"?
Well, Born knew something that's for sure. Speculation is always a leading edge of a boom or bust cycle, especially when that speculation is in land. This can mean both real estate and resources in economics. Top that off with speculation in the nothingness of derivatives and down comes the house of greed.
There are legions of highly intelligent women (and less aggressive but highly intelligent men) around this good earth that not only haven't been listened to, they've been locked out. Sometimes they've been targeted or destroyed for simply trying to contribute and balance the aggressive thinking of this "man's world".
Maybe we should rethink this business of only being bullish or bearish. Maybe there can be room for a wide range of other behaviors that would lead to a more stable economy.
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» We have a name for unchecked growth: CANCER
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» Dustdevil, this is exactly the shit that makes you a reactionary and not a progressive.
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» Yellow, did you author the Wall Street bailout bill? . . .
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» Money changers, engineers of Greed !
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» RE: She tried to warn us not to trade in nothing - she was right
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Posted by: Sheila Parks on Oct 11, 2008 4:38 AM
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Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
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Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 11, 2008 5:00 AM
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German labour minister Franz Muentefering has compared hedge and other speculative funds to locusts ravaging fragile economies and enterprises for short-term gains.
this article appears in the March 2, 2007 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
There are, worldwide, between $500 and $600 billion in investments outside Japan, which took place with the help of cheap yen credits, benefitting from the favorable interest rates. If the yen now starts to rise, on the basis of the rise in interest rates, the effect would be much greater than 0.25%. The main beneficiaries of the carry-trade are the big banks, hedge funds, and equity funds, whose derivatives trading has led recently to a worldwide pyramiding of all segments of the market. The gigantic bubble of the casino-economy has to grow; that is, it must make profits, and for this it requires a continuous flow of liquidity. At the moment that these capital streams start to flow in the opposite direction, because of the changed interest rates and exchange rates, panic and an interlinked cluster of risks could lead to a meltdown of the system.
Who Is Really To Blame?
A widespread misconception exists, that behind the "financial locusts"—which are massively participating in the carry-trade, and which are now snapping up everything that's not nailed down, including in Germany, from Mittelstand [small and medium-sized] enterprises—there lurks somehow "the U.S.A." and "Wall Street." Indeed they are involved; but as the Economist reported in its Feb. 3-9 issue, in an article headlined "Britannia Redux: A special report on Britain," the City of London boasts that it is henceforth the most important financial center in the world, and thus the British Empire has been revived in the form of globalization.
And London is not the capital city of a normal nation, but also that of the Commonwealth, to which, for example, the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, and the Bahamas belong. And according to the the CIMA, financial authority of the Cayman Islands, 7,481 of the 9,000 worldwide hedge funds are registered in the Cayman Islands, a British Crown Colony. These so-called offshore markets are subject to no banking oversight or regulation on the part of central banks or governments. In 1993, the "Mutual Fund Law" was passed, according to which the simplified establishment or registration of hedge funds in a deregulated system should be facilitated. The goal was that the Cayman Islands—which have already been, since the beginning of the bubble economy, with the creation of the Eurodollar market, an Eldorado of uncontrolled credit creation—should be made into even more of a pivot of the "finance industry."
Since the middle of the 1990s, the hedge funds were advised to have their financial operations registered in the Cayman Islands, where they could operate outside national laws and regulation. In this way, the hedge funds got the biggest share in the British financial system. In the course of time, the banks that had initially been the main credit sources for the hedge funds, became increasingly consolidated with these funds, which now, through their takeovers, are exploiting and sucking out the wealth of many nations.
How the Locust Funds Operate
The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) reports that there are $370 trillion in outstanding so-called over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives. The largest type of derivatives are interest-rate derivatives, with $262 trillion, of which 34% are handled in London, and 24% in New York and Chicago. The third-largest category of derivatives is the $38 trillion in foreign-exchange (currency) derivatives, of which 49% are handled in London, and only 16% in New York. And these bubbles
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» Clinton was a symptom--but Reagan and conservatives were and are the problem
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» You're right. I'll never vote for Clinton again.
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Posted by: anarchris on Oct 11, 2008 5:53 AM
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If only we'd listened to Hillary, we'd go to war in Iraq and 'obliterate Iran.'
If only we'd be like the whoa-men! soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison we'd smear men with fecal matter and mentrual fluid on their faces and sexually humiliate them and employ the excuse of the nazis:' just following orders-just doing my job'.
If only we were like Condi Rice and commit war crimes and tell the world 'People like us Americans' they 'disagree' with us- but they like us!
If only Jesus and Ghandi and King and the others would be like Catherine the Great and Cleopatra and the Queens of England!
We're not saying we're superior to men- just different! and that's different than the white supremacists who say: 'we ain't sayin' we's superior to the blacks-jes' d'ffernt'.
Poor Born! They 'deployed condescension' against this 'oracle'-well let's just say it-Goddess!!!
But it may be of some comfort to know that statues will be erected in her honour and a special place reserved for her in heaven and her name shall be written upon the hearts of all those who love freedom and decency! And though they would not lunch with her nor invite her to play tennis, she shall sup with the saints and know the loneliness of the tragic heroine(sp?) no more!
My only question is why womyn would bother to trust a mAn like Barack Obama to clean up this mess! This world needs a who?men's touch.
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Posted by: ArmageddonKitten on Oct 11, 2008 6:32 AM
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John McCain was one of the "Lincoln Five," and central to the last S&L crisis. Why anyone would want to put him in office (just because he changes his tune when the wind starts blowing in the other direction) is beyond me.
And this goes for all the other yahoos in Congress who think that their voting records aren't a matter of history. I say we throw ALL the incumbents out of office except the ones that tried to inject some sanity into the world.
I was surprised to learn that Ron Paul spoke out against the financial markets well before the crash. I'm a Dem by default, and learning that he'd promoted regulation was a breath of fresh air.
And everyone who voted against the bailout? I say they get to stay. Check Congressional records to see who came to their senses and who took leave of them.
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» RE:member all that Gold convinscated at the bottom of the Twin Towers?
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» The gold is gone. Long long gone.
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» AMEN AND AMEN AGAIN
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Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 11, 2008 6:48 AM
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Jiff
Is your ISP spying on you?
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Posted by: Gisele on Oct 11, 2008 7:21 AM
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The man then announced that he would now pay $20 for each one. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. But soon the supply diminished even further and they were ever harder to catch, so people started going back to their farms and forgot about monkey catching.
The man increased his price to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce that it was an effort to even see a monkey, much less catch one. The man now announced that he would buy monkeys for $50! However, Since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would now buy on his behalf.
While the man was away the assistant told the villagers. 'Look at All these monkeys in the big cage that the man has bought. I will sell them to you at $35 each and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50 each.' The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys. They never saw the man nor his assistant again and once more there were monkeys everywhere.
Now do you understand why and how the stock market works?
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Posted by: RegK on Oct 11, 2008 7:25 AM
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They should be in jail, along with Greenspan. At a minimum they should return every dollar they were paid to perform 'public service'!
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Posted by: bluepilgrim on Oct 11, 2008 7:37 AM
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"How is the wheat production", he asks.
The farmer says "Last year the wheat was good, this year it's better, and, God willing, next year will be better yet".
"Now comrad", says the official, "You know there really is no God".
"Yes", says the farmer", and you know there really is no wheat".
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Posted by: Cynic13 on Oct 11, 2008 10:35 AM
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That glass ceiling may have cracks in it, but the status quo is now glazing over those cracks and reinforcing the ceiling!
GIRL/WOMAN POWER!!!!
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 11, 2008 11:23 AM
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No wonder he pushed so hard for the bailout!
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» You should take a look at the articles titled "voters guide". They exclude 3rd parties.
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No wonder my wife and I love Ralph Nader above those two party bozos !
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» Ahh, good ol' Beck!
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Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 11, 2008 1:09 PM
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An upper-crust, annual social gathering founded in 1981 by Philip Lader, former U.S. Ambassador to the UK, and his wife, Linda LeSourd Lader, Renaissance Weekends are private, invitation-only retreats for leaders in business and finance, government, the media, religion, medicine, science, technology and the arts.
Conversations are strictly off the record and subject matter ranges widely, tending to focus heavily on policy and business issues.
Previous Renaissance Weekends were co-hosted by presidents Bill Clinton and Gerald Ford.
For a sample list of past attendees, click on Renaissance Weeked
Here is a partial list of names and and their credentials:
Stephen Breyer (Associate Justice of U.S. Supreme Court)
Louis Cabot (Former Chm., Cabot Corp. & Brookings Institution)
Tony Campollo (President, Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education)
Hodding Carter (Former President, Knight Foundation and U.S. Assistant Secretary of State)
Steve Case (Former Chm., AOL Time Warner)
Gordon Conway (Former President, Rockefeller Foundation)
Howard Fineman (Chief Political Correspondent, Newsweek/TV Commentator)
David Gergen (Former Presidential Advisor/Editor-at-large, U.S. News & World Report)
Bob Graham (Former U.S. Senator & Florida Governor)
Sir Jeremy Greenstock (Former British Ambassador to the United Nations)
Ricki Tigert Helfer (Former Chair, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation)
Alexis Herman (Former U.S. Secretary of Labor)
Arianna Huffington (Political Commentator)
Myron Kandel (Former Financial Editor, CNN)
Rich Karlgaard (Publisher, Forbes)
David A. Keene (Chairman, The American Conservative Union)
William Kennard (Partner, Carlyle Group/Former Chm., Federal Communications Commission)
Jim Kolbe (Former U.S. Congressman)
Frank Luntz (Republican Political Consultant)
Sir Deryck Maughan (Former Chm., Citigroup International)
Newton Minow (Former Chm., F.C.C. & RAND Corp.)
Leslie Moonves (Chm., CBS)
Jay Nordlinger (Managing Editor, National Review)
Norman Ornstein (Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute)
William Perry (Former U.S. Secretary of Defense)
David Pottruck (Former Chief Executive Officer, Charles Schwab Corp.)
Lord Robertson of Port Ellen (Former N.A.T.O. Secretary-General)
Judith Rodin (President, Rockefeller Foundation)
Paul Russo (Former Special Assistant to President Reagan)
Robert Schuller II (Minister)
Christopher Shays (U.S. Congressman)
John Templeton, Jr. (President, Templeton Foundation)
Richard Thornburgh (Former U.S. Attorney-General & Pennsylvania Governor)
Richard Viguerie (Former Publisher, Conservative Digest)
Murray Weidenbaum (Former Chm., President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers)
Marina von Neumann Whitman (Frmr. Member, President Nixon's Council of Economic Advisers)
One more thing. If you are an undecided voter, learn the truth about Unfit McCain and his treasonous POW record by clicking on: Vote Against McCain (one of the HOTTEST anti-McCain sites on the Web)
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Posted by: maggiemahar on Oct 11, 2008 3:29 PM
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This meltdown is not just about the real estate bubble or the sub-prime mortgages. It's about a total lack of regulation which goes back to the stock market bubble of 1982-1999.
For the last 15-plus years, low interest rates and no regulations have guaranteed that too many dollars will be chasing too few assets.
This means that assets (like real estate and stocks) are over-valued. Meanwhile people borrow in order to buy them, and debt builds.
Brooksley Born was trying to warn people-- but she was ignored, in large part because she was not part of the boys' club. Though I have to add that a number of honest, extremely intellgient men who also were not part of the club were ingored.
That said, it's much easier to just brush off an intelligent woman. Especially if she has gotten far enough to be on the fringes of the club-- "How dare she?!"
As for the NYT story. It was excellent--but a little late?
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Posted by: berger788 on Oct 11, 2008 5:01 PM
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First appointed Fed chairman by President Ronald Reagan in August 1987, Greenspan was reappointed at successive four-year intervals until retiring on January 31, 2006 after the second-longest tenure in the position. Greenspan was lauded for his handling of the Black Monday October 19, 1987, stock market crash that occurred very shortly after he first became chairman, as well as for his stewardship of the Internet-driven, "dot-com" economic boom of the 1990s. This expansion eventually ended in a burst in March 2000 leading to an economic downturn, including negative GDP growth in the first quarter of 2001.[1]
In the early 1950s, Greenspan began an association with famed novelist and philosopher Ayn Rand that would last until her death in 1982.[12] He wrote for Rand’s newsletters and authored several essays in her book Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.[13] Rand stood beside him at his 1974 swearing-in as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers.[12]
I wonder how much of Rand’s Objectivism is behind our Crash of 2008.
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Posted by: Jeanne on Oct 11, 2008 5:44 PM
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Posted by: TruthBeTold on Oct 11, 2008 5:46 PM
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Who was she to tell Greenspan, Rubin and Summers anything?
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» You said it! And who's this katrina Vanden Heuvel?
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 11, 2008 8:05 PM
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It's pretty informative and supports so much the other shoe that's ready to drop.
Here again Lyndon Larouche warned of too. Of whom he has been trying to tell America to wake up for years, to the impending doom that has finally been manifesting do to the sheeples unattention to their country. Definitely another unsung hero. Yah, he was put in jail for mail fraud because he protested being taxed for not recognizng the fiat money that most everyone one has finally accepted as being true.
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Posted by: common intelligence on Oct 11, 2008 8:37 PM
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What is it going to take to get you all pissed enough to startknocking off all these bastards.
I don't get it.
But I'll bet a trillion dollars if Bush is impeached the economy will start to rebound. And if he is hung by the neck until dead the planet will find peace like no other ever known. The world will rejoice. Bells will ring. Fireworks will be heard around the world.
But, Bush still talks to the public and everyone stops to be entertained so they have something to vent about.
Henry Paulson and Bernake should be taken out and physically beaten. Then thrown into stock in the public square to be pummelled.
Bush and the Neacon Tribe need to be tarred and feathered. Cheney needs to be beheaded, and burned on a stake. Rove the turd blossum needs the iron maiden treatment. Alan Greenspan, the rack.
Newt Gingridge, quarterd. Rummy, keel hauled on the bottom of Enterprise. Condi, strip her ass naked and and chased through Darfur. Wolfowitz, water boarded relentlessly.(Feel free to add, there are plenty that need to be recongnized.)
What is it going to take to make these ass holes pay?
The most curious funny part about this whole bail-out is the politcians say Amercans are gong to have to bear the burden, The candidates don't want to tax us to pay out the Trillion $ give-away. I just don't get how anyone is going to be able to pay if there is no money! ( Besides I vow not to pay a damn thing. The whole ship can go straight to hell.)
I mean we can't pay off a debt with money we borrow with more debt.
Like, my personal IOU is as good as it gets. If I get payed or have "Fed notes" why are those worth any more than mine?
A promise to pay........when ever we get around to it!
Ah, A Round Tuit!..... A wooden nickle.
"This note is Legal Tender (that's legal to offer) for all debts, Public and private." But we don't have to accept it!
Got Euros? (more paper).
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Posted by: Honu on Oct 11, 2008 9:19 PM
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Posted by: richholland on Oct 12, 2008 5:19 AM
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in 1953 a young engineer reported his boss of the Dutch water and dykes ministerie that due to the war the dykes werenot safe anymore.
The man was displaced and had to keep his mouth shut for the rest of his life, because in that year dykes broke and 1900 people drowned.
Why I mention this???
Any important decission is made in a team, and donot forget the important THING;
only in soap TV a maverick wins in real life POWER wins right or wrong.
The problem is the system not hedging, mortgage, derivates or terrorists reshuffle your values/
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Posted by: nfamous on Oct 12, 2008 7:10 AM
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» RE: A woman could NOT have prevented this
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Posted by: Garvagh on Oct 12, 2008 12:25 PM
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Oct 12, 2008 4:29 PM
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They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov't and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
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» RE: Stop re-writing history, Ron Paul knew before this woman
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Oct 13, 2008 1:22 PM
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The name "russianrocket" caught my attention since the people originally tasked to create the archane algorythms for the derivatives were out of work Russian rocket scientists. Is our friend "Russianrocket" one of these mad scientists that created what Buffett called "finacial weapons of mass destruction"? No wonder he doesn't want us to "look behind the curtain"!
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 19, 2008 2:53 PM
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Posted by: whealeydj on Oct 19, 2008 8:24 PM
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Rubin was also bad news for progressive Democrats who again pushed the Wall street point of view.
The opinion was slanted by Vanden Heuvel's feminism that was a little too antagonistic imo. yes Rubin Greenspan and Summes are arrogant male know-it-all economists and I think their gender contributes to their arrogance but I think it is their intellectualism compounded by professional financial rewards that are larger contributors to their dismissal of other opinions.
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