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11 Racist Lies Conservatives Tell to Avoid Blaming Wall Street for the Financial Crisis
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It's always easy to tell when the cons are completely lost at sea. The lies get more absurdly preposterous -- and also more transparently self-serving. But when they go so far as to openly and unapologetically latch onto race and class as an excuse for their woes (which this is, at its heart), you know they're taking on water fast -- and scared of going under entirely.
You can hear the conservative commentators burbling this CRA fable from the Wall Street Journal to the National Review; from Rush to YouTube. Neil Cavuto put the essence of the argument right out there on Fox News: "Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster." See! It's all the liberals' fault for insisting on social justice!
Conservatives are twisting the facts beyond the breaking point to support their revisionist history. But don't be fooled: the financial crisis was caused by conservative financial follies and bankers run amok and nothing more. Here are the basic myths they're trying to push about the CRA -- and the facts that will enable you to fire back.
1. The CRA was a liberal boondoggle designed to con banks into funding housing for undeserving, unqualified minorities.
False. The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 was the result of decades of disinvestment in poor and working-class neighborhoods. It was designed to put an end to "red-lining" -- a widespread practice in which banks refused to write mortgages for houses in certain neighborhoods, no matter who was applying or how creditworthy they were.
The Fair Housing Act of 1968 had made it illegal for real estate agents and banks to discriminate against homeowners on the basis of race. Red-lining soon emerged as a not-so-subtle way to continue this discrimination, by declaring, ahem, certain neighborhoods as unfit to invest in. By 1977, the results of this practice were becoming all too obvious, so Congress stepped and gave lenders a choice: if you want the FDIC to insure your deposits, you need to knock off the redlining.
The CRA didn't force lenders to make riskier loans than they would have otherwise. It simply required that they take each applicant on his or her own merits, and give people in poorer neighborhoods the same fair chance at a mortgage that everybody else in town was getting. It wasn't about preferential treatment. It was just about basic equality.
2. The CRA forced banks to lower their standards and make loans to all low-income families and people with poor credit -- and find banks that refused to comply.
No. The CRA has encouraged banks to lend fairly and responsibly for over 30 years. It does not impose fines. It does periodically examine FDIC-backed banks, and issues them a CRA compliance rating. A highly-rated bank must meet the financing needs of as many community members as possible, and must not discriminate against racial and ethnic groups or certain neighborhoods. However, a bank will not receive a high rating unless it is also maintains "safe and sound banking practices."
In other words, the CRA requires banks to lend to working-class families and people of color -- but only when those people have been deemed as creditworthy as anyone else.
3. The housing bubble burst when too many people with home loans mandated by the Community Reinvestment Act failed to make their mortgage payments.
False. The CRA only applies to FDIC member banks and thrifts. Back in the 1970s, these institutions were responsible for most of the country's mortgage lending. But starting in the 80s and on up to the present, we saw a huge boom in lending businesses-- such as finance companies like Countrywide -- that weren't banks, and didn't take deposits that required FDIC insurance. Thus, they didn't have any obligation to the CRA. And they were free to set their own lending standards, which were often far less cautious than those required of FDIC-insured banks.
4. The bulk of the "junk" loans that have been packaged into mortgage-based securities are CRA loans.
False. An analysis of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA) data in the country's 15 biggest metropolitan areas found that 84.3% of the high-cost loans made in 2006 were originated by non-CRA lenders -- including 83% of high-cost loans to low- and moderate-income individuals. The Federal Reserve notes that, across the country, non-CRA lenders were twice as likely as CRA lenders to issue subprime loans to vulnerable borrowers. Furthermore, the Fed also reports that responsible mortgages made by CRA lenders have about the same low rate of foreclosure as other traditional mortgages.
5. If the government had just set the lenders free to do their thing, the market would have prevented this. It's just another example of how government oversight always leads to market failure.
Wrong again, buckaroo. As explained just above, up to four-fifths of these loans were issued by financial institutions that operated with little or no federal regulatory oversight. In fact, in 2006, only one of the top 25 subprime lenders was a CRA institution. A few others were mortgage/finance company affiliates of CRA-covered lenders; but even these were separate businesses that didn't operate under CRA rules (including Countrywide, CitiMortgage, and Wells Fargo Home Mortgage). Likewise: the vast majority of the top 20 issuers of risky interest-only and option ARM loans were not CRA-affiliated lenders.
If anything, the CRA example proves -- once again -- that government oversight not only works; it's essential to maintain safe and sane capital markets.
6. The CRA is just another failed liberal handout program.
No. The benefits of CRA have been substantial. Robert Rubin recently estimated that the law has channeled upwards of $1 trillion into distressed neighborhoods across the country -- including both inner cities and rural areas without much access to investment funds -- without putting up any taxpayer money beyond what it takes to operate the CRA itself. In these areas, home ownership is up -- and with it, the local tax base, which means more parks, more cops, more street repairs, and so on. There's more decent rental housing, too, because landlords can get loans for upgrades and improvements.
Small business ownership is also up. Low-income communities have become more attractive to outside investors, and more able to support community redevelopment efforts. And in places where people once cashed their paychecks at the convenience store and depended on payday loans, there are now full-service bank branches offering the same affordable financial services people in better neighborhoods take for granted.
The cons like to talk about the "ownership society." There is no ownership without access to capital. For 30 years, the CRA has been making private capital available to qualified people who want to bootstrap themselves into home and business ownership, and a secure place in the middle class.
7. OK -- if it works so well, why do we still need it? Haven't the banks finally figured by now out that redlining was a stupid idea?
If only. The very fact that the conservatives are trying to blame the mess on the CRA is, in itself, ample proof that we still need anti-redlining laws on the books. Fifty years into the civil rights era, and they're still arguing that it should be acceptable to permanently exclude people from the capital markets on the basis of race and class. Different millennium, same ugly story: "See? This is what happens when you give money to minorities and poor people. You end up wrecking the country!"
In other words: no, they haven't learned their lesson; and yes, they still believe in red-lining as much as they ever did. Racism is alive and well, and there are still plenty of Americans who would bring back housing discrimination in a heartbeat if the law allowed them to. Which is precisely why we can't allow them to.
8. If we can't blame the CRA, then who can we blame? How about the federal banking agencies, which outright told banks to go ahead and adopt risky lending practices? In particular, a 1992 Boston Federal Reserve Bank publication, Closing the Credit Gap: A Guide to Equal Opportunity Lending, told the banks that it was OK to adopt unsound lending practices.
Nice try, but still wrong. According to the National Community Reinvestment Association, the document cited above offered three new guidelines to lenders -- none of which are applicable to the current subprime crisis.
The first guideline was that the lack of proper credit history shouldn't be counted as a negative factor for potential homebuyers. Banks could use other evidence to assess the borrower's payment habits, including the timely payment of rent, utility bills, and other scheduled loans. Borrows still need to prove that they're reliable; they're just allowed to use documentation besides a credit report.
The second was to remind bankers that some households with debt ratios above the standard 28/36 criteria might still qualify for home loans. This guideline is very conservative by today's standards. Many problematic subprime loans were granted to borrowers with debt-to-income ratios above 50 percent, which was in no way sanctioned by the 1992 guidance document.
The third was that lenders could count Social Security, second jobs, and other verifiable income streams as valid sources of income when evaluating loan applications. But most subprime loans failures aren't related to alternative income sources. The real problem has been with "liars' loans," in which the reported income streams are never verified at all.
9. Well, then...it must be Bill Clinton's fault, right? In 1995, Clinton changed the Community Reinvestment Act to allow the securitization of CRA and subprime mortgages. That's what started all this.
Talking point regurgitation at its worst. The 1995 revisions to the CRA only changed the way in which a bank's CRA compliance is evaluated. They made no mention of mortgage securitization at all. Under the 1995 rules, banks are rewarded only for making mortgages in their communities, not for re-selling mortgages as securities.
10. OK, then -- it's the Democratic Congress's fault! President Bush and Senator McCain tried to stop the subprime mortgage crisis, but Democrats blocked their efforts.
It's not lying. It's a gift for fiction. This one's actually made it into a TV ad. The claim is that Bush and McCain supported the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, which would have created a new government agency to oversee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and other federal housing programs.
However, there's no pony in this manure pile. This bill would have done nothing to stop the rash of subprime lending that preceded the housing bubble. It only provided oversight for Fannie and Freddie -- but it said nothing at all about the companies that issued subprime mortgages.
11. No serious conservative economist would have ever approved of the CRA.
False. In March 2007, Federal Board Chairman Bernanke -- no liberal he -- noted that CRA has helped institutions discover and enter new markets that may have been previously under-served and ignored by insured depositories.
These myths are floating around everywhere this week -- a Big Lie that's being repeated so often that Americans may well start to believe it. The real objective of the "blame the CRA" campaign is to pre-emptively discredit any future progressive proposals that involve using government regulation to make the capital markets behave -- and to get the free-market fundamentalist faithful back in the fold.
Time to fire back, and replace the Big Lie with some real truth.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 2, 2008 2:16 AM
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It's the American Way, isn't it?: When the going gets tough, find a way to blame our problems on the poor and minorities. It reminds me of a comedian who said: "The poor have all of our money."
The list format of this article makes it easier to read and digest. More articles should use it so the reader doesn't get lost in the details.
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Posted by: voight on Oct 2, 2008 2:50 AM
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That's really weird, when I google "Countrywide +CRA" I get results that look like this (some of these are defunct):
Countrywide CRA Program
Countrywide Bank Names New Head of CRA Lending
Seems like Countrywide had some motivation for addressing the CRA in some fashion. It seems that you might be a little disingenuous with some of your assertions, as well.
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The fact that the cons try so hard to blame ordinary people for Wall Street's mess just shows their total lack of human decency in service of capital.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 2, 2008 4:26 AM
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Cater Actually told US to 'Turn down the Thermostats. Put on a sweater, Combine Trips', Realized Our Level of Reliance on M.E. Oil AT THE TIME was far to precarious and potentially far more threatening than even Hostage Taking..We'd seen plenty of Highjackings to KNOW that it could become a far more lethal Vehicle for use in Attacks ( 'Never Saw 9/11 Coming'- FU!)
To be Honest it was Not just Ronny's Puppet Masters who destroyed one of our nations MOST Honorable Presidents- They had Help from the DLC in Keeping Carter seen as a Absolute Loser, instead of a Former President who was Sabotaged in his Re- Election bid. Their 'Third Way' Economic Ideology is the same as the Neo CONS but without having to manipulate the Religious Zealots to do it ! I think they knew it was Not only Immoral to use such gutteral Tactics- They knew it was also a Powder Keg waiting to go Off (Esp the 'end of Days' Deluded Self anointed Sociopaths, Like Sarah Palin). But what they Did Do is Push the Democratic Platform over to a more 'Business (CORP)Friendly' Political Stance...Ultimatley Working against Our mainstay LABOR. Clinton Proved it with NAFTA. Hillary Reinforced it Throughout her campaign, But she took it one step farther...She tipped her Hand too far to the Right....She Tried to not only Pare out Labor from Our Platform, But also par out the Womens Movement from The Equal Rights Movement. This fatal flaw is Proof that Hillary Nor the DLC have any Clue - or concern- about What REAL Democratics think.When Teddy 'passed the Torch' right before their faces (Singing their Eyebrows) and threw the Gaunlet at their Heads..I'm Wondering did the Clintons and thier DLC Cronies finally figure out Dems Won't support Any DLC'er for Pres (Gore,Kerry,Edwards, Hillary) and their type of "Leadership" is Not Wanted nor Respected in OUR Party..Go Home DLC'ers! We Ran the Racist Dixie Crats out for a Reason, Now your Asses are going the same Way...We stand for LABOR and Equal Rights for ALL!
"Reagan Democrats" is an OxyMoron made up by the DLC to explain Their Neo Con Ideologies, NO Such Beast Ever Lived in the Democratic party of the '80's! Reagan was a Union Busting, Corp Corruption enabler, AIDS Denyer, Militarized,Deinstitutionalized IDIOT!
Although I felt Former President Carter should have spoken at the Convention this Year (finally), at least the Obama Campaign actually Saluted him with a Film Depicting his Work and Efforts through His lifetime. I Consider Him The Most Honest American President In at least the past 40 yrs!
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 2, 2008 5:01 AM
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Predatory lending, which used to be the province of criminal loan sharks, is now the norm in the lending industry in the US.
Today's banking crisis is the THIRD trillion dollar plus US-caused financial meltdown in the last twenty years.
Each one of these crises came into being through the same basic mechanism...the fraudulent over-valuing of financial assets by Wall Street - with a "wink and a nod" (and sometimes a lot more) from the White House and Congress. The fraudulently valued assets stimulate the economy, impart the illusion of health and then, inevitably, the fraud goes too far and the whole house of card comes painfully crashing back to earth.
The White House stood in the way of any state prosecuting federal banks and mortgage companies for predatory lending. They actually used a portion of the enabling act creating the US Comptroller of the Currency to preempt the regulation and prosecution of these banks for fraudulent loan activities. This is why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated. He wrote an editorial in the Washington Post three weeks before his assassination accusing the White House of preventing any state Attorney General from prosecuting these criminal activities. Of course, the mainstream media did not report the actual reason that this politician’s sexual indiscretions were reported so immediately and excessively.
The mainstream media never reported on Bush planting in the White House press corps a gay escort, Johnny Gannon. Gannon based on the Secret Service records of visits to the White House visited the White House over 200 times and stayed overnight at least two times.
Go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and read many articles and watch videos on the well planned takedown of the US dollar by the Bush White House and the Federal Reserve Bank.
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Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 2, 2008 6:01 AM
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Now how about ACORN..voter fraud and pressuring banks into substandard lending practices through donations to senators and congressman! Obama's ties to this radical violent group is beyond acceptable.
(links are in two parts)
http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2008/09/
how-acorn-helped-housing-crisis-harm.html
Also check out:
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and for the other side - http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/
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America is in for a surprise.. Obamas radical side has been hidden well.. His wifes hasn't. Change alright - a dark cloud is upon us!
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Oct 2, 2008 6:13 AM
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Guess what!! There are Jewish people in both parties; Jews who are conservative, and Jews who are liberal, and Jews who don't give a d**n! What do you know?
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 2, 2008 6:34 AM
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(1) No, that's what the fair housing act did.
(2) Because, historically, people with less money have the resources to pay mortgages, no different from people with more...uhh...resources?
(3) Making bad bets--taking chances--is exactly what has gotten home-borrowers, banks, and investment companies into this mess.
(4) We're all individuals, and we all have different incomes, different debt-to-assets ratios, different credit-worthiness. You're confusing equal outcomes with equal risk. That doesn't mean you're a bad or stupid person, many people confuse these concepts. If I was a dead-beat dad whith a stack of credit card bills floating from job to job, I don't deserve to have the same credit-worthiness as someone who has been working, saving, and paying their bill reliably. That's not the work of some mythological "evil kope-a-rat skrmminatorist", that's just my history telling a story about my tendency to repay my obligations.
While it's admirable that you'd want to help "the disadvantaged", I think the focus on people's skin color is rather off. You make your arguments less offensively, from a more compassionate point of view than your run of the mill skinhead, but the focus is still destructively the same.
To be sure, when you offer banks federal money to back their assets then the citizens own a say in how they operate. Point taken. Decisions always have consequences, though, and we'll just have to see how far these consequences go before it's apparent who made the goofier choice--the citizens for demanding banks operate in a manner that focuses on what they were chartered to do, or the banks for accepting these terms, or if neither was a bad decision because a body (Congress) with a 14% approval rating is poised to save us all.
And puhhlease. Banks focusing on maximizing profits is not an inherently racist enterprise, no matter how you twist your logic around it.
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Posted by: JohnJlws on Oct 2, 2008 7:38 AM
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I thought real highly of banking when I entered the industry. I have a lot of good friends, a lot of good people, who are bankers.
I was talking with one of our Presidents one day a few years ago. We were talking about income. I popped off about a competitor offering a free checking account product and how they were so desperate they were "giving it away."
He, a banker for over 3 decades, corrected my ignorance. "Are you kidding?" "Free checking is a cash cow."
Free checking, like so many things, is built on the backs of the poor (minorities and single mothers). The scheme is you give "free" checking to people who cannot afford a checking account and do not know how to manage one. Then you give them conveniences like debit cards that also make tracking expenses more difficult.
Then as they inevitably overdraft their accounts you charge them $35 or $40 or $50 for something that costs the bank nothing. If you have someone who keeps a balance of around $175 in his or her account and you charge him or her $40 for an overdraft, that's a 23% charge based on the average balance.
The President continued "there's a major world player who makes the majority of its profits off free checking" and then he laughed. He named the bank, but I won't; anyone offering free checking is engaged in this business practice.
I'm not sure why conservatives scream "redistribution of wealth" whenever they start talking about "taxing the rich," but are perfectly fine with redistributing wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich through war or "business," again.
This isn't necessarily racism as it is not discriminatory based on color of skin; it's more the wholesale rape of Americans, or what I've come to refer to as "most banking."
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Oct 2, 2008 8:16 AM
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GREED is the major cause of this and most of the rich white folks I know are plenty greedy.
I have seen lots of businesses take advantage of poor people under the guise of helping them. They say they are providing extra services, (which cost plenty), to help these poor dumb people because without the extra services, the poor dumb people would be too dumb to take advantage of whatever the business is offering.
The government never mandated greed, but it did allow a lot of it.
The current mess is the perfect storm between many diverse factors. This is complex and encompasses a little bit of everything, not just one or two measures by either the dems or the repubs. It’s not just the fault of the corporations but the people too. It didn’t just start a year or two ago, some of this is the result of trends which began 30-50 years ago or more. Damn FDR and his New Deal!
First, consider that the base of the American economy evolved over the years from manufacturing and agriculture to one where the largest segment of wealth for your average Joe was found in home ownership.
Over the years, wealth became more and more concentrated in the hands of the few. CEOs could run a company into the ground and still be paid a bloody fortune while the typical worker would get less and less. Unions lost power so workers lost position.
Now, enter the theory of “Trickle Down Economics,” or “Voodoo Economics” as Bush 41 told Ronald Reagan during their presidential debate. Regardless of what you might have learned in the media, an accurate definition of trickle down economics is, “the rich folks piss and whatever trickles down their leg the poor folk get to keep.”
As much as trickle down economics has been espoused over the years by people with more credentials than I, it isn’t good for the “little guy” and the population at large.
Now, enter deregulation. Regulations are nothing but a royal pain-in-the-ass proposed by control freak liberals who think stifling business is the way to run a country. (Or so the theory goes) Free market capitalism is forever self correcting and government just interferes. OK, there was a REASON why you were supposed to read, “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair in the 10th grade. They told you it was about meat packing plants but it was more of a blueprint for how unrestrained corporate power will screw the worker and the consumer every chance it gets. The Jungle isn’t the only example. Get a library card. Regulations, hassles that they are, almost always help the little guy. (We the people.)
Now comes Re-Regulation. This is where our lawmakers loosen the regulations to erase all the consumer protection but they keep in place the corporate protection. In the case of banks and financial institutions, our lawmakers (Dems & Repubs) borrowed Fast Buck Freddie’s playbook. Laws were passed that ALLOWED financial institutions to charge fees and interest rates that were through the roof.
Because the corporations were lining our lawmaker’s pockets with huge campaign contributions, lawmakers naturally paid more attention to their interests than to the publics. So they let the banking industry re-write all the laws so that they would rake in more and more cash and the consumer would get gouged over and over. It got so bad that a category of lenders known as Predatory Lenders came into existence. Predatory lenders push loans of folks where there is truly NO HOPE of ever paying it off. I have met people who paid faithfully, on time, for years and they still owed more than the original loan amount.
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 2, 2008 9:25 AM
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Are we going to blame these victims too? Or are we going to clean up the Taliban in America?
Watch the video:
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 2, 2008 9:50 AM
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The entire bail-out mess sucks. People who rolled dice should walk away from the table with whatever they have left. Maybe they beat the house, maybe they didn't. THEIR BETTING HABITS ARE NOT SOCIETY'S OBLIGATIONS.
*subject to terms, interest, penalties, and adjustments
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Posted by: Democritus on Oct 2, 2008 2:45 PM
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their lackeys blame it on the black folks who were told they'd get a piece of the American dream.
This sort of racial profiling is disgusting. The perpetrators should be jailed for defamation. Instead, they prosper on Fox News.
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is that the credit markets, the real-estate markets, and the MBS derivatives markets have all been overexposed and a massive asset write-down is in order. To facilitate the inflated values of these bad-debts (asset-swaps) and toxic financial instruments, we (or, should I say Treasury Sec. Paulson) have proposed this so-called bailout to rescue the financial services industry. Nothing could be further from the truth!!! There will be some type of re-organization of financial investment instrument transactions, but not to the point where oversight would prohibit profits. Business as usual is the goal, and there will be nothing said or done to stop the leveraging of hedge-fund accounts, derivatives, and other financial investment instruments that make billions of dollars for the industry each and every day. The scope of assistance to the firms in order to shore up their losses is nothing short of socio-communism in practice. The reality of oligopolistic financial markets is the result of concentrated wealth making up a disproportionate amount of the leveraged transactions in those areas where losses from bad-loans were massive...thus, the meltdowns,bankruptcies, and financial corporation takeovers. Can Congress change that predatory culture? I don't think so!!!
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Oct 2, 2008 4:37 PM
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If the government can bail out a bank and back its risks, ask yourself why does the banker need to exist in the first place?
We need them to nickel and dime us for everything move we make, with our money, by way of service charges? To charge exorbitant rates of interest? To have a hand in creating the kinds of crisis that has been building for years?
Bankers are nothing more than a privileged class of mafia dons with a license to squeeze you until you can't breathe. Who decided that they should have this power? We don't need them! Banks controlled by the state could extend credit and charge much lower rates of interest and the proceeds can be used for countless programs for the public good, not for lining the mafia don's pockets.
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Posted by: richard0a37 on Oct 3, 2008 12:09 AM
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You see that guy living just across the road from you. He's a loud mouthed, ignorant, unemployed and uneducated SOB whose family is ruining the neighbourhood with their late night parties, and the level of trash that they're dumping in their front garden is getting beyond a joke.
You see, he can't believe his luck. Some years ago, a really nice gentleman from the local bank gave him a big stack of money so he could live next door to you. He knew he couldn't afford the monthly payments, the bank knew as well, but hey, who gives a shit, they said, everything will be ok.
And it will be. He can't afford to pay his mortgage, so Uncle Sam is going to make you pay it instead. Talk about redistribution of income. Middle class America is about to finance the life style of those less well off and who can least afford it. You can hardly complain about that.
The insult to the ordinary American couldn't be worse, because not only are you stuck with an awful neighbour, you are also paying for the privilege.
The local bank is also quite happy. They (the loan sharks) weren't stuck with the loan because they wrapped and sliced it up, and passed it up the food chain to the dinosaurs.
Now there are two ways of looking at this.
(i) this was genuine lack of oversight on the part of the financial services, but whose motives were altruistic and motivated to reduce the number of homelessness whatever the cost - you know, give everyone a chance to enjoy the good things of life.
(ii) they deliberately and cunningly engineered a transfer of mortgage deeds into the hands of the Treasury, so it is now the Treasury who holds the notes on those mortgages, and with it the power to evict those defaulting home owners, but who won't be for much longer.
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Posted by: Bucharesti on Oct 3, 2008 9:03 AM
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As barely a child when we here in Romania threw off our dictator and grasped at free markets I have seen the street here empty of homeless....then filled with homeless....now left with some homeless but less than 5 years ago. That to say that I romanticized the days when we had a home and food for everyone. Well I thought so anyway.
Your views on the poor and your emotional statements seem like what my friends and I used to discuss at University. We then overvalued the nature of our discourse and paid scant attention to the results of our discourse. Especially as I studied language and writing I was surrounded by the most liberal thinkers in the system. Regardless their age, my professors never aged intellectually. They clung to their pre revolutionary views even as their lives improved dramatically with each capitalistic reformation my government undertaken.
I have spent quite some time in the US but dont know where I would be on politics. We tend to be pro USA here in general, and we are a proud people who have been held down. When I read this site especially I see also those who are not aging intellectually. I am assuming that there are adults and not all students here but the writing here and the predictable points made are so like those who stay in university too long here. We have an expression here for those which translates to a person who thought so deeply they lost their oxygen to the brain.
You need to realize that your words carry what I consider a faux intellectualism but yet your minds are closed. i share many views with you but for all of the claims I see about your desire to stand better within the world of nations it is this attitude here that we, at least in eastern Europe and specifically in Romania it is this attitude that really bothers us.
The americans I know who live here are very much easy to talk with and they are here for making money which they do quite well. But they seem like real people with real experiences and their views about your crisis are so different that I see here on this site.
Please try and open your minds if you want the world to see you better. This constant complaining and talk of helping the poor is like propaganda we were getting and still do from the parties in our government who want us back in the 1980's
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Posted by: rickiey on Oct 6, 2008 8:12 AM
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Houses in some neighborhoods, are entirely worthless, and any loan using them as collateral, are also worthless. People who could actually afford to pay morgages? They don't live in those neighborhoods, because they can afford better. They were riskier loans by definition. Redlining wasn't racism, it was just good business.
THe neighborhoods weren't redlined in the 80s for racial makeup, but for housing value.
2. However, a bank will not receive a high rating unless it is also maintains "safe and sound banking practices."
In other words, the CRA requires banks to lend to working-class families and people of color -- but only when those people have been deemed as creditworthy as anyone else.
Countrywide's CRA award for diversity in lending, disagrees.
5.If the government had just set the lenders free to do their thing, the market would have prevented this. It's just another example of how government oversight always leads to market failure.
No, if the government had set the lenders free, these lenders would have gone under, with no effect on the REST of the economy.
6. The CRA is just another failed liberal handout program.
I've never heard anyone say that. THe actual problem with the CRA is the evaluation of discrimination in opportunity (the opportunity to get a loan) by evaluating outcome (the percentage of loans issued that are to minorities). Had the evaluation of opportunity been based solely on opportunity criteria, this would not have happened.
7. The first guideline was that the lack of proper credit history shouldn't be counted as a negative factor for potential homebuyers.
Oh, but obviously it should.
No one is blaming poor people for this crisis. The blame falls on those making the lending decisions, or making requirements for lending decisions.
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http://www.realjews.com?p=294
PSEUDOCON'S RECKLESS AGENDA OF PROVOKING WORLD WAR III
http://www.realjewnews.com/?cat=256
FALSE CONSERVATIVES'S DICTATORSHIP MENTALITY (TROOPERGATE, ECT.)
http://www.realjews.com/?p=294
PSEUDOCONS ARE PUPPETS OF THE CHRISTO-ZI PUPPETMASTERS WHO WILL SELL AMERICA OUT FOR FORTY PIECES OF SILVER.
After all, it WAS THE PROPAGANDA FROM SHORN CONNITY, ROOSH LIMBUG, O'REALLY, HORRORS-WITS, THE SLUDGE REPORT, THE AUSTRALIAN OWNED 'FAUXED TONGUED NETWORKS,' THE BANKING BUDDIES OF THE SECRET JUDASES WHO LET A FLOOD OF BILLIONS FLOW INTO IZRAL, WHILE PALEENCANE SAT BY AND DID NOTHING, EXCEPT PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
http://www.rense.com/general83/400.htm
PSEUDO-CON IS A WOLF IN WOLF'S CLOTHING, NOT A PITBULL WITH LIPSTICK.
PSEUDO-CON'S TERRORIST FRIENDS???
ALASKA SECCIONISTS?
CHRISTO-ZIONISTS/ARMAGEDDONISTS ITCHING TO START WORLD WAR III?
WHO DO THEY THINK THEY'RE FOOLING?
http://www.rense.com/general83/know.htm
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It's the American Way, isn't it?: When the going gets tough, find a way to blame our problems on the poor and minorities. It reminds me of a comedian who said: "The poor have all of our money."
The list format of this article makes it easier to read and digest. More articles should use it so the reader doesn't get lost in the details.
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That's really weird, when I google "Countrywide +CRA" I get results that look like this (some of these are defunct):
Countrywide CRA Program
Countrywide Bank Names New Head of CRA Lending
Seems like Countrywide had some motivation for addressing the CRA in some fashion. It seems that you might be a little disingenuous with some of your assertions, as well.
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The fact that the cons try so hard to blame ordinary people for Wall Street's mess just shows their total lack of human decency in service of capital.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 2, 2008 4:26 AM
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Cater Actually told US to 'Turn down the Thermostats. Put on a sweater, Combine Trips', Realized Our Level of Reliance on M.E. Oil AT THE TIME was far to precarious and potentially far more threatening than even Hostage Taking..We'd seen plenty of Highjackings to KNOW that it could become a far more lethal Vehicle for use in Attacks ( 'Never Saw 9/11 Coming'- FU!)
To be Honest it was Not just Ronny's Puppet Masters who destroyed one of our nations MOST Honorable Presidents- They had Help from the DLC in Keeping Carter seen as a Absolute Loser, instead of a Former President who was Sabotaged in his Re- Election bid. Their 'Third Way' Economic Ideology is the same as the Neo CONS but without having to manipulate the Religious Zealots to do it ! I think they knew it was Not only Immoral to use such gutteral Tactics- They knew it was also a Powder Keg waiting to go Off (Esp the 'end of Days' Deluded Self anointed Sociopaths, Like Sarah Palin). But what they Did Do is Push the Democratic Platform over to a more 'Business (CORP)Friendly' Political Stance...Ultimatley Working against Our mainstay LABOR. Clinton Proved it with NAFTA. Hillary Reinforced it Throughout her campaign, But she took it one step farther...She tipped her Hand too far to the Right....She Tried to not only Pare out Labor from Our Platform, But also par out the Womens Movement from The Equal Rights Movement. This fatal flaw is Proof that Hillary Nor the DLC have any Clue - or concern- about What REAL Democratics think.When Teddy 'passed the Torch' right before their faces (Singing their Eyebrows) and threw the Gaunlet at their Heads..I'm Wondering did the Clintons and thier DLC Cronies finally figure out Dems Won't support Any DLC'er for Pres (Gore,Kerry,Edwards, Hillary) and their type of "Leadership" is Not Wanted nor Respected in OUR Party..Go Home DLC'ers! We Ran the Racist Dixie Crats out for a Reason, Now your Asses are going the same Way...We stand for LABOR and Equal Rights for ALL!
"Reagan Democrats" is an OxyMoron made up by the DLC to explain Their Neo Con Ideologies, NO Such Beast Ever Lived in the Democratic party of the '80's! Reagan was a Union Busting, Corp Corruption enabler, AIDS Denyer, Militarized,Deinstitutionalized IDIOT!
Although I felt Former President Carter should have spoken at the Convention this Year (finally), at least the Obama Campaign actually Saluted him with a Film Depicting his Work and Efforts through His lifetime. I Consider Him The Most Honest American President In at least the past 40 yrs!
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 2, 2008 5:01 AM
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Predatory lending, which used to be the province of criminal loan sharks, is now the norm in the lending industry in the US.
Today's banking crisis is the THIRD trillion dollar plus US-caused financial meltdown in the last twenty years.
Each one of these crises came into being through the same basic mechanism...the fraudulent over-valuing of financial assets by Wall Street - with a "wink and a nod" (and sometimes a lot more) from the White House and Congress. The fraudulently valued assets stimulate the economy, impart the illusion of health and then, inevitably, the fraud goes too far and the whole house of card comes painfully crashing back to earth.
The White House stood in the way of any state prosecuting federal banks and mortgage companies for predatory lending. They actually used a portion of the enabling act creating the US Comptroller of the Currency to preempt the regulation and prosecution of these banks for fraudulent loan activities. This is why Eliot Spitzer was politically assassinated. He wrote an editorial in the Washington Post three weeks before his assassination accusing the White House of preventing any state Attorney General from prosecuting these criminal activities. Of course, the mainstream media did not report the actual reason that this politician’s sexual indiscretions were reported so immediately and excessively.
The mainstream media never reported on Bush planting in the White House press corps a gay escort, Johnny Gannon. Gannon based on the Secret Service records of visits to the White House visited the White House over 200 times and stayed overnight at least two times.
Go to my website, www.911insidejob.net and read many articles and watch videos on the well planned takedown of the US dollar by the Bush White House and the Federal Reserve Bank.
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Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 2, 2008 6:01 AM
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Now how about ACORN..voter fraud and pressuring banks into substandard lending practices through donations to senators and congressman! Obama's ties to this radical violent group is beyond acceptable.
(links are in two parts)
http://moneyrunner.blogspot.com/2008/09/
how-acorn-helped-housing-crisis-harm.html
Also check out:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?
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and for the other side - http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/
archives/2008/09/another-attempt.html
America is in for a surprise.. Obamas radical side has been hidden well.. His wifes hasn't. Change alright - a dark cloud is upon us!
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Posted by: Jbuuty on Oct 2, 2008 6:13 AM
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Guess what!! There are Jewish people in both parties; Jews who are conservative, and Jews who are liberal, and Jews who don't give a d**n! What do you know?
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 2, 2008 6:34 AM
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(1) No, that's what the fair housing act did.
(2) Because, historically, people with less money have the resources to pay mortgages, no different from people with more...uhh...resources?
(3) Making bad bets--taking chances--is exactly what has gotten home-borrowers, banks, and investment companies into this mess.
(4) We're all individuals, and we all have different incomes, different debt-to-assets ratios, different credit-worthiness. You're confusing equal outcomes with equal risk. That doesn't mean you're a bad or stupid person, many people confuse these concepts. If I was a dead-beat dad whith a stack of credit card bills floating from job to job, I don't deserve to have the same credit-worthiness as someone who has been working, saving, and paying their bill reliably. That's not the work of some mythological "evil kope-a-rat skrmminatorist", that's just my history telling a story about my tendency to repay my obligations.
While it's admirable that you'd want to help "the disadvantaged", I think the focus on people's skin color is rather off. You make your arguments less offensively, from a more compassionate point of view than your run of the mill skinhead, but the focus is still destructively the same.
To be sure, when you offer banks federal money to back their assets then the citizens own a say in how they operate. Point taken. Decisions always have consequences, though, and we'll just have to see how far these consequences go before it's apparent who made the goofier choice--the citizens for demanding banks operate in a manner that focuses on what they were chartered to do, or the banks for accepting these terms, or if neither was a bad decision because a body (Congress) with a 14% approval rating is poised to save us all.
And puhhlease. Banks focusing on maximizing profits is not an inherently racist enterprise, no matter how you twist your logic around it.
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I thought real highly of banking when I entered the industry. I have a lot of good friends, a lot of good people, who are bankers.
I was talking with one of our Presidents one day a few years ago. We were talking about income. I popped off about a competitor offering a free checking account product and how they were so desperate they were "giving it away."
He, a banker for over 3 decades, corrected my ignorance. "Are you kidding?" "Free checking is a cash cow."
Free checking, like so many things, is built on the backs of the poor (minorities and single mothers). The scheme is you give "free" checking to people who cannot afford a checking account and do not know how to manage one. Then you give them conveniences like debit cards that also make tracking expenses more difficult.
Then as they inevitably overdraft their accounts you charge them $35 or $40 or $50 for something that costs the bank nothing. If you have someone who keeps a balance of around $175 in his or her account and you charge him or her $40 for an overdraft, that's a 23% charge based on the average balance.
The President continued "there's a major world player who makes the majority of its profits off free checking" and then he laughed. He named the bank, but I won't; anyone offering free checking is engaged in this business practice.
I'm not sure why conservatives scream "redistribution of wealth" whenever they start talking about "taxing the rich," but are perfectly fine with redistributing wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich through war or "business," again.
This isn't necessarily racism as it is not discriminatory based on color of skin; it's more the wholesale rape of Americans, or what I've come to refer to as "most banking."
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Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Oct 2, 2008 8:16 AM
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GREED is the major cause of this and most of the rich white folks I know are plenty greedy.
I have seen lots of businesses take advantage of poor people under the guise of helping them. They say they are providing extra services, (which cost plenty), to help these poor dumb people because without the extra services, the poor dumb people would be too dumb to take advantage of whatever the business is offering.
The government never mandated greed, but it did allow a lot of it.
The current mess is the perfect storm between many diverse factors. This is complex and encompasses a little bit of everything, not just one or two measures by either the dems or the repubs. It’s not just the fault of the corporations but the people too. It didn’t just start a year or two ago, some of this is the result of trends which began 30-50 years ago or more. Damn FDR and his New Deal!
First, consider that the base of the American economy evolved over the years from manufacturing and agriculture to one where the largest segment of wealth for your average Joe was found in home ownership.
Over the years, wealth became more and more concentrated in the hands of the few. CEOs could run a company into the ground and still be paid a bloody fortune while the typical worker would get less and less. Unions lost power so workers lost position.
Now, enter the theory of “Trickle Down Economics,” or “Voodoo Economics” as Bush 41 told Ronald Reagan during their presidential debate. Regardless of what you might have learned in the media, an accurate definition of trickle down economics is, “the rich folks piss and whatever trickles down their leg the poor folk get to keep.”
As much as trickle down economics has been espoused over the years by people with more credentials than I, it isn’t good for the “little guy” and the population at large.
Now, enter deregulation. Regulations are nothing but a royal pain-in-the-ass proposed by control freak liberals who think stifling business is the way to run a country. (Or so the theory goes) Free market capitalism is forever self correcting and government just interferes. OK, there was a REASON why you were supposed to read, “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair in the 10th grade. They told you it was about meat packing plants but it was more of a blueprint for how unrestrained corporate power will screw the worker and the consumer every chance it gets. The Jungle isn’t the only example. Get a library card. Regulations, hassles that they are, almost always help the little guy. (We the people.)
Now comes Re-Regulation. This is where our lawmakers loosen the regulations to erase all the consumer protection but they keep in place the corporate protection. In the case of banks and financial institutions, our lawmakers (Dems & Repubs) borrowed Fast Buck Freddie’s playbook. Laws were passed that ALLOWED financial institutions to charge fees and interest rates that were through the roof.
Because the corporations were lining our lawmaker’s pockets with huge campaign contributions, lawmakers naturally paid more attention to their interests than to the publics. So they let the banking industry re-write all the laws so that they would rake in more and more cash and the consumer would get gouged over and over. It got so bad that a category of lenders known as Predatory Lenders came into existence. Predatory lenders push loans of folks where there is truly NO HOPE of ever paying it off. I have met people who paid faithfully, on time, for years and they still owed more than the original loan amount.
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Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 2, 2008 9:25 AM
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Are we going to blame these victims too? Or are we going to clean up the Taliban in America?
Watch the video:
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
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The entire bail-out mess sucks. People who rolled dice should walk away from the table with whatever they have left. Maybe they beat the house, maybe they didn't. THEIR BETTING HABITS ARE NOT SOCIETY'S OBLIGATIONS.
*subject to terms, interest, penalties, and adjustments
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their lackeys blame it on the black folks who were told they'd get a piece of the American dream.
This sort of racial profiling is disgusting. The perpetrators should be jailed for defamation. Instead, they prosper on Fox News.
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is that the credit markets, the real-estate markets, and the MBS derivatives markets have all been overexposed and a massive asset write-down is in order. To facilitate the inflated values of these bad-debts (asset-swaps) and toxic financial instruments, we (or, should I say Treasury Sec. Paulson) have proposed this so-called bailout to rescue the financial services industry. Nothing could be further from the truth!!! There will be some type of re-organization of financial investment instrument transactions, but not to the point where oversight would prohibit profits. Business as usual is the goal, and there will be nothing said or done to stop the leveraging of hedge-fund accounts, derivatives, and other financial investment instruments that make billions of dollars for the industry each and every day. The scope of assistance to the firms in order to shore up their losses is nothing short of socio-communism in practice. The reality of oligopolistic financial markets is the result of concentrated wealth making up a disproportionate amount of the leveraged transactions in those areas where losses from bad-loans were massive...thus, the meltdowns,bankruptcies, and financial corporation takeovers. Can Congress change that predatory culture? I don't think so!!!
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If the government can bail out a bank and back its risks, ask yourself why does the banker need to exist in the first place?
We need them to nickel and dime us for everything move we make, with our money, by way of service charges? To charge exorbitant rates of interest? To have a hand in creating the kinds of crisis that has been building for years?
Bankers are nothing more than a privileged class of mafia dons with a license to squeeze you until you can't breathe. Who decided that they should have this power? We don't need them! Banks controlled by the state could extend credit and charge much lower rates of interest and the proceeds can be used for countless programs for the public good, not for lining the mafia don's pockets.
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Posted by: richard0a37 on Oct 3, 2008 12:09 AM
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You see that guy living just across the road from you. He's a loud mouthed, ignorant, unemployed and uneducated SOB whose family is ruining the neighbourhood with their late night parties, and the level of trash that they're dumping in their front garden is getting beyond a joke.
You see, he can't believe his luck. Some years ago, a really nice gentleman from the local bank gave him a big stack of money so he could live next door to you. He knew he couldn't afford the monthly payments, the bank knew as well, but hey, who gives a shit, they said, everything will be ok.
And it will be. He can't afford to pay his mortgage, so Uncle Sam is going to make you pay it instead. Talk about redistribution of income. Middle class America is about to finance the life style of those less well off and who can least afford it. You can hardly complain about that.
The insult to the ordinary American couldn't be worse, because not only are you stuck with an awful neighbour, you are also paying for the privilege.
The local bank is also quite happy. They (the loan sharks) weren't stuck with the loan because they wrapped and sliced it up, and passed it up the food chain to the dinosaurs.
Now there are two ways of looking at this.
(i) this was genuine lack of oversight on the part of the financial services, but whose motives were altruistic and motivated to reduce the number of homelessness whatever the cost - you know, give everyone a chance to enjoy the good things of life.
(ii) they deliberately and cunningly engineered a transfer of mortgage deeds into the hands of the Treasury, so it is now the Treasury who holds the notes on those mortgages, and with it the power to evict those defaulting home owners, but who won't be for much longer.
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Posted by: Bucharesti on Oct 3, 2008 9:03 AM
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As barely a child when we here in Romania threw off our dictator and grasped at free markets I have seen the street here empty of homeless....then filled with homeless....now left with some homeless but less than 5 years ago. That to say that I romanticized the days when we had a home and food for everyone. Well I thought so anyway.
Your views on the poor and your emotional statements seem like what my friends and I used to discuss at University. We then overvalued the nature of our discourse and paid scant attention to the results of our discourse. Especially as I studied language and writing I was surrounded by the most liberal thinkers in the system. Regardless their age, my professors never aged intellectually. They clung to their pre revolutionary views even as their lives improved dramatically with each capitalistic reformation my government undertaken.
I have spent quite some time in the US but dont know where I would be on politics. We tend to be pro USA here in general, and we are a proud people who have been held down. When I read this site especially I see also those who are not aging intellectually. I am assuming that there are adults and not all students here but the writing here and the predictable points made are so like those who stay in university too long here. We have an expression here for those which translates to a person who thought so deeply they lost their oxygen to the brain.
You need to realize that your words carry what I consider a faux intellectualism but yet your minds are closed. i share many views with you but for all of the claims I see about your desire to stand better within the world of nations it is this attitude here that we, at least in eastern Europe and specifically in Romania it is this attitude that really bothers us.
The americans I know who live here are very much easy to talk with and they are here for making money which they do quite well. But they seem like real people with real experiences and their views about your crisis are so different that I see here on this site.
Please try and open your minds if you want the world to see you better. This constant complaining and talk of helping the poor is like propaganda we were getting and still do from the parties in our government who want us back in the 1980's
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Houses in some neighborhoods, are entirely worthless, and any loan using them as collateral, are also worthless. People who could actually afford to pay morgages? They don't live in those neighborhoods, because they can afford better. They were riskier loans by definition. Redlining wasn't racism, it was just good business.
THe neighborhoods weren't redlined in the 80s for racial makeup, but for housing value.
2. However, a bank will not receive a high rating unless it is also maintains "safe and sound banking practices."
In other words, the CRA requires banks to lend to working-class families and people of color -- but only when those people have been deemed as creditworthy as anyone else.
Countrywide's CRA award for diversity in lending, disagrees.
5.If the government had just set the lenders free to do their thing, the market would have prevented this. It's just another example of how government oversight always leads to market failure.
No, if the government had set the lenders free, these lenders would have gone under, with no effect on the REST of the economy.
6. The CRA is just another failed liberal handout program.
I've never heard anyone say that. THe actual problem with the CRA is the evaluation of discrimination in opportunity (the opportunity to get a loan) by evaluating outcome (the percentage of loans issued that are to minorities). Had the evaluation of opportunity been based solely on opportunity criteria, this would not have happened.
7. The first guideline was that the lack of proper credit history shouldn't be counted as a negative factor for potential homebuyers.
Oh, but obviously it should.
No one is blaming poor people for this crisis. The blame falls on those making the lending decisions, or making requirements for lending decisions.
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http://www.realjews.com?p=294
PSEUDOCON'S RECKLESS AGENDA OF PROVOKING WORLD WAR III
http://www.realjewnews.com/?cat=256
FALSE CONSERVATIVES'S DICTATORSHIP MENTALITY (TROOPERGATE, ECT.)
http://www.realjews.com/?p=294
PSEUDOCONS ARE PUPPETS OF THE CHRISTO-ZI PUPPETMASTERS WHO WILL SELL AMERICA OUT FOR FORTY PIECES OF SILVER.
After all, it WAS THE PROPAGANDA FROM SHORN CONNITY, ROOSH LIMBUG, O'REALLY, HORRORS-WITS, THE SLUDGE REPORT, THE AUSTRALIAN OWNED 'FAUXED TONGUED NETWORKS,' THE BANKING BUDDIES OF THE SECRET JUDASES WHO LET A FLOOD OF BILLIONS FLOW INTO IZRAL, WHILE PALEENCANE SAT BY AND DID NOTHING, EXCEPT PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
http://www.rense.com/general83/400.htm
PSEUDO-CON IS A WOLF IN WOLF'S CLOTHING, NOT A PITBULL WITH LIPSTICK.
PSEUDO-CON'S TERRORIST FRIENDS???
ALASKA SECCIONISTS?
CHRISTO-ZIONISTS/ARMAGEDDONISTS ITCHING TO START WORLD WAR III?
WHO DO THEY THINK THEY'RE FOOLING?
http://www.rense.com/general83/know.htm
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