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The Drug War's Latest Tally: 872,721 Pot Arrests, an All-Time High
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Speaking earlier this month on C-Span, the reigning Czar stretched his usual deceit to outrageous new heights. Responding to a question from the Marijuana Policy Project's Dan Bernath, Walters flatly denied the charge that over 800,000 Americans are arrested annually for violating pot laws.
"We didn't arrest 800,000 marijuana users," Walters proclaimed. "That's [a] lie."
If only it were.
According to data released yesterday in the FBI's annual Uniform Crime Report, police in 2007 arrested over 872,000 US citizens - that's nearly one out of every two Americans busted for illicit drugs -- for weed. (The raw data is available from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation here and here.) That figure is a five percent increase over the total number of Americans busted in 2006. It's more than three times the number of citizens charged with pot violations sixteen years ago.
Of those arrested in 2007, 89 percent - some 775,000 Americans -- were charged with simple pot possession, not trafficking, cultivation, or sale. (By comparison, 27 percent of those arrested for heroin and cocaine offenses were charged with sales.) Three out of four were under age 30; one in four were 18-years-old or younger.
The FBI's tally is the highest marijuana arrest total ever-reported in law enforcement history. If this pace continues, annual arrests for pot will surpass one million per year by 2010.
But to hear America's top drug cop tell it few, if any, citizens are ever arrested for pot possession, and absolutely no one goes to jail for breaking marijuana laws.
"The fact is today, people don't go to jail for the possession of marijuana," Walters alleged on C-Span. "Finding somebody in jail or prison for possession of marijuana is like finding a unicorn. It doesn't exist."
Not true says the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics, which reported last year in black and white -- perhaps the Drug Czar is reading impaired - that 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent of federal inmates incarcerated for drug abuse violations are serving time for marijuana offenses. Combining these percentages with separate U.S. Department of Justice statistics on the total number of state and federal drug prisoners suggests that, at a minimum, there are now about 33,655 state inmates and 10,785 federal inmates behind bars for marijuana offenses. (The report failed to include estimates on the percentage of inmates incarcerated in county or local jails for pot-related offenses, nor did it take into account the number of inmates serving time for violating the terms of their marijuana-related probation, such as those who submitted a 'dirty' urine to their parole officer.)
No matter how one slices it, that's a lot of unicorns.
It also begs the question: Why does the Drug Czar feel the need to go to such absurd lengths to hide this overt outgrowth of American drug policy? After all, the US Drug Enforcement Administration and the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy typically issue chest-thumping press releases when they achieve record busts for offenses involving cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine? Why then do they shy away from making similar proclamations for pot?
Perhaps it's because, deep down, even the Drug Czar knows that the use of cannabis does not pose anywhere near the health and safety threat as does the use of other intoxicants, including alcohol, and that most Americans - rightly - would be outraged to learn that our nation's so-called war on drugs is really just an assault on young adults caught with small bags of weed.
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Posted by: aussidawg on Sep 16, 2008 12:44 AM
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Look, the way illegal drug money works is Afganistan sends the raw opium to Turkey. Turkey the converts the raw opium into heroin, which acording to investigators are then imported by the CIA in America, or MI-5 or MI-6 in the UK. Turkey then uses the money they make from the sale of heroin to buy weapons from our MIC. The CIA, MI-5 and MI-6 use the money they get from the non-taxible black market to provide funds for black projects.
Drug laws never have been about protecting the public health. At first, they were used to discriminate against the Chinese (opium dens were only legal if a white man was in charge), cocaine was outlawed because it made black men attack white women, and weed was outlawed because we Muricans didn't like Messkins. Now that the government has found a very highly profitable substance to deal in (they win from both ends...the prison industry wins from busts and the government wins directly fromm sales. The practical thing as far as pubic health is concerned is to legalize all drugs and tax them, which would provide a financial base for those seeking treatment. But then once you consider the reasoning behind the drug war, do you really think the government will give up such a cash cow? No way!
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 16, 2008 12:55 AM
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But more seriously, folks, I wrote about the subject indirectly in a 2004 nonfiction book about politics this way:
In 1963, Laura Bush, then a Midland teenager busy chatting with her girlfriend passenger, drove through a stop sign, T-boned a car that had the right-away and killed its driver.
Guess what kind of traffic citation she got?
She didn’t.
Incredibly, the future First Lady committed negligent homicide, an offense ordinary people in Midland would’ve gone to jail for, and she didn’t even have to pay a fine.
So what kind of legal system was that, anyway?
Back then, it was called “Justice for the Lone State Elite” in a state that tried ordinary teenagers Laura’s age as adults and put them in prison for years simply because they inhaled fumes from a burning marijuana leaf.
Lower status kids were punished for smoking pot that only harmed themselves (maybe), but it was perfectly okay to commit manslaughter with an automobile if you were like Laura, part of the Lone Star Elite.
Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below:
Songbird McCain (Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain (self-explanatory)
Vote Vets (supported by 100,000 Iraq and Afghan war vets)
PS: I have smoked pot and found it quite enjoyable.
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Posted by: eeuropean2000 on Sep 16, 2008 4:59 AM
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Posted by: caru on Sep 16, 2008 5:05 AM
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that guy on cspan, walters, is he like even semi - conscious to planet earth and the miraculous wonder the mother gives to us every day the sun rises ...
i am in the thought that all this really is an extension of women hating, earth hating, witch burning, herbalist and wise women denying ...
and i do not think killing a defenseless animal from a plane is wise. since i generally think of wise as kind.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Sep 16, 2008 6:15 AM
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What was once a gigglefest has become a pogram to keep minority populations behaviors from infiltrating white cultures alchohol soaked patterns.
It is also effectively used to harrass progressive politicians and prevent them from being able to gain public office. Felons can't vote, and you can't vote in jail. It's a win-win for the GOP so why should they admit to what they're up to.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 16, 2008 7:03 AM
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In a message to Congress on August 2, 1977, President Jimmy Carter insisted: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."
Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Law Judge Francis L. Young wrote on September 8, 1988: "Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."
After years of suppression by the government, the truth about medical marijuana is finally coming out. Dr. Tod Mikuriya, former director of marijuana research for the entire federal government, wrote in 1996: "I was hired by the government to provide scientific evidence that marijuana was harmful. As I studied the subject, I began to realize that marijuana was once widely used as a safe and effective medicine. But the government had a different agenda, and I had to resign."
Tobacco kills about 430,700 each year. Alcohol and alcohol-related diseases and injuries kill about 110,000 per year. Secondhand tobacco smoke kills about 50,000 every year. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs kill 7,600 each year. Cocaine kills about 500 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Heroin kills about 400 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Adverse reactions to prescription drugs total 32,000 per year, while marijuana kills no one.
A November 4, 2002 Time/CNN Poll found that eighty percent of those polled felt marijuana should be legal only for therapeutic purposes. 72 percent felt recreational users should get fines rather than jail time, which is essentially decriminalization. The complete legalization of marijuana was favored only by 34 percent of respondents, but this figure is twice as large as it was in 1986. Marijuana is safer than alcohol and tobacco, and our drug laws should reflect this reality.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 16, 2008 7:04 AM
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Each year, the U.S. government spends more than $30 billion on the drug war and arrests over 1.5 million people on drug-related charges. Over 318,000 people are now behind bars in the U.S. for drug violations, greater than the total number of people incarcerated for all crimes in England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined.
Our government is calling for billions of dollars to fight a drug war it can't win. Roughly 75 percent of this money goes to enforcing laws and regulations, but only 15 percent goes to drug education and prevention, and a only a meager 10 percent goes to treatment for addicts.
During the 1950s, long-term prison sentences against drug users choked the courts, strained and disrupted prisons and drove black-market prices even higher. The latest casualty in the drug war has been our civil liberties: mandatory drug testing so we can all be “drug free”. Some of these tests have been struck down by the courts, where the government is the employer. But others have been upheld. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia denounced these drug tests as “an immolation of privacy and human dignity in symbolic opposition to drug use.”
Even putting America under martial law will not solve the nation's drug problem. Iran executes hundreds of drug offenders. Malaysia has hanged dozens of drug users in the past few years. In neither country has the drug problem receded. In fact, in Malaysia, the addiction rate continues to rise. On the other hand, the Dutch government, with its liberal social and political philosophy, tolerates drug use, and the addiction rate is declining.
According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.” Close to 100 million Americans, including over half of those between the ages of 18 and 50, have tried marijuana at least once. Military and police recruiters often have no alternative but to ignore past marijuana use by job seekers.
In 1996, California voters passed a law to regulate medical marijuana within the state. In 2000, voters in California approved an initiative allowing people who are arrested for simple possession of drugs to go through a rehabilitation program rather than through the court process that would result in prison. Since the program began, most agree it has been very successful. It results in less recidivism and is considered cheaper than imprisonment.
Richard Posner, Chicago's chief judge of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. Posner, a Reagan administration appointee once described by American Lawyer magazine as “the most brilliant judge in the country,” explained his views on marijuana in The Times Literary Supplement, a British publication, and in later interview:
“It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," says Posner. "I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole.”
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 16, 2008 7:06 AM
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New York University law professor Burt Neuborne said it's significant that “one of the leading intellectuals in the judicial system recognizes that the laws don't seem to be working well.”
Posner and other federal judges have complained that sentencing guidelines force them to give unjustly severe prison sentences to relatively minor drug offenders. Says Posner: “Prison terms in America have become appallingly long, especially for conduct that, arguably, should not be criminal at all. Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility.”
Rufus King, a Washington, DC lawyer who has served on the President's Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, calls the drug war, “A worthless crusade.” According to King, drug use is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. He observes: “Cigarette use is declining through changes in cultural values in the population. Like most smokers and alcoholics, most users of illegal drugs poison themselves because they want to be intoxicated. No human force can do them much good until they want help.” King is optimistic that the current anti-drug hysteria will subside, and responsible and reasonable drug law policies will be adopted.
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Dissenting from the recent Supreme Court ruling on the suspension of an Alaskan student for waving a banner -- "BONG HITS 4 Jesus" -- at a high school event, Justice John Paul Stevens takes the long view:
"...the current dominant opinion supporting the war on drugs in general, and our anti-marijuana laws in particular, is reminiscent of the opinion that supported the nationwide ban on alcohol consumption when I was a student. While alcoholic beverages are now regarded as ordinary articles of commerce, their use was then condemned with the same moral fervor that now supports the war on drugs...
"...just as Prohibition in the 1920's and early 1930's was secretly questioned by thousands of otherwise law-abiding patrons of bootleggers and speakeasies, today the actions of literally millions of otherwise law abiding users of marijuana, and of the majority of voters in each of the several states that tolerate medicinal uses of the product, lead me to wonder whether the fear of disapproval by those in the majority is silencing opponents of the war on drugs."
The Washington Post, July 26, 2007, reported: "Stevens compared the current marijuana ban to the abandoned alcohol ban and urged a respectful hearing for those who suggest 'however inarticulately' that the ban is 'futile' and that marijuana should be legalized, taxed and regulated instead of prohibited."
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 16, 2008 7:12 AM
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Hemp has many economic uses. It contains the longest fiber in the plant kingdom and is one of the strongest and most durable. It can be used for commercial and industrial applications, including insulation, textiles, clothing, and rope. The fiber and pulp can be used to manufacture nondeteriorating paper using a relatively pollution-free process. The plant can also be used for biomass applications. Its seeds yield oil similar to linseed, which can be used in many commercial and industrial applications. In Eastern Europe and Central Asia, the seeds have been used for human consumption.
"Hemp. It's marijuana's nonspyschoactive sister," writes Ed Rosenthal. "You couldn't get a buzz if you smoked a bale of hemp, but it's still illegal to grow it in the United States." Industrial hemp is legally grown in over thirty countries. For thousands of years, people grew hemp and prospered. It flourishes without pesticides. Thomas Jefferson considered hemp so vital to America that he risked his life to smuggle hemp seeds out of France. George Washington grew hemp and instructed his caretaker at Mount Vernon: "Make the most of the hemp seed. Sow it everywhere."
Industrial hemp was first grown in Kentucky 250 years ago. It is currently grown in other countries across the globe, including France, England, Canada, Australia, China, Hungary and the Ukraine. Industrial hemp has virtually no THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. It cannot be used as a drug. None of the countries that allow industrial hemp production have experienced any drug problems relating to the crop. Using modern processing techniques, hemp can be used in place of petrochemicals. Instead of synthetic plastics made from oil, we can use natural fiber and processed bioplastic derivatives. Plastics and polyester rely on foreign oil, while cotton consumes enormous amounts of water, fertilizer, herbicides, and pesticides.
Industrial hemp is very clean, easy to grow and is one of the most environmentally sound sources of industrial fiber in the world. Environmentally friendly detergents, plastics, paints, varnishes, cosmetics, and textiles are already being made from it in Europe. Industrial hemp can meet our fiber needs while also revitalizing our struggling rural economies.
Hemp is already being used in place of trees for pressboard, particleboard, and core concrete construction molds. Paper made from hemp is acid-free, stronger and lasts far longer than paper made from trees. Hemp fabrics are far stronger and more resistant to mold than any other natural fiber. Builders in France and Germany use hemp for construction material, replacing drywall and plywood. Hemp can be used to manufacture plastic plumbing pipe, replacing such toxic materials as polyvinyl chloride (PVC). Hemp fiber is already being used in place of glass fiber in surfboards and snowboards. Hemp could also provide the resin itself.
For ideological reasons, the federal government refuses to allow farmers to grow hemp despite the fact that industrial hemp is currently grown legally worldwide. The current Bush administration took anti-hemp policy to a new extreme, attempting unsuccessfully to ban the import of hemp foods and cosmetics. Erwin "Bud" Sholts, director of the Wisconsin Agriculture Department's marketing division, said hemp "is the most value-added, prolific fiber crop man can grow." Sholts acknowledged that hemp is an emotional issue, but points out that "other nations with drug laws as tough or tougher than ours have overcome this hurdle." The U.S. is the only major industrialized nation that prohibits the growing of industrial hemp; anti-drug hysteria should not blind the public to the commercial and industrial applications of hemp.
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Posted by: jrmart on Sep 16, 2008 7:36 AM
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i don't want to spend my taxes arresting and keeping people in custody, but i don't want to be on the road with a Marijuana hig driver either.
Until it is legal, STOP USING IT./
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Posted by: NotJesus on Sep 16, 2008 8:23 AM
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1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death, a cannabis smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as
much cannabis as is contained in one cannabis cigarette. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of cannabis within
about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.
Cannabis is actually one of the safest substances on the planet to ingest.
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Sep 16, 2008 8:33 AM
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Ganja, on the other hand quiets the left brain chatter and gives rise to the right brain's visions and intuitions. People get ideas about alternate ways of being and act on them which is considered dangerous by people who live to control you through media, consumerism and medication "therapy". Those who say ganja does this too, MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, quench their cotton mouth with alcohol which puts you right into the lizard mind and removes the good effects of the ganja. Don't mix them!
LEGALIZE!
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Posted by: mikehattan on Sep 16, 2008 8:45 AM
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Posted by: Dboy on Sep 16, 2008 9:18 AM
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Sep 16, 2008 9:50 AM
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Posted by: okiedokey on Sep 16, 2008 12:06 PM
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I'll give you a good example of "government based drug facts." In the early 70's when LSD was so popular, the government came out with some manufactured lies about it causing chromosome breakage in humans. There were a lot better reasons for kids to avoid LSD, but telling lies helped make them suspect.
The lies told about marijuana then, still exist today, even in the face of new research. Why? Because the drug interdiction business is BIG BUSINESS. Think of how many jobs rely on the idiotic efforts to interdict drugs from coming into this country or the movement of drugs illegally manufactured or grown here. And, Ollie and the boys used drug money to buy arms for the Contras in Nicaragua.
Wasting money tracking down pot smokers is like pissing into the wind, but much more expensive. Making criminals out of pot smokers is absurd. When will these "moralistic idiots" learn that?
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Posted by: fanny666 on Sep 16, 2008 12:41 PM
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It's Giuliani Time: the Mussolini of Manhattan
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Sep 16, 2008 4:12 PM
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Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 16, 2008 4:30 PM
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To the government you're a sin tax revenue stream, and they aren't concerned about whether you get sick and die from the shit they're peddling.
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: onevoter on Sep 16, 2008 8:54 PM
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But sadly, that is probably the only way it will become legal, so government and corporations can make money off of it.
You should be able to grow cannibis just like you would grow tomatoes, in a garden at your home, or even in your home.
Today, you can make your own home brewed beer or wine, but can't sell it without a license. That's the way it could be with ganja.
Simply put, a dozen plants would be more than enough for most smokers for a year's supply of personal use.
LEGALIZE IT!
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 17, 2008 8:36 AM
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citations for weed related crimes every year,at
$685 for even a seed,which BTW does'nt contain any THC, you can see what a money maker for the locals keeping weed illegal is.
This is why it will most certainly be in legal limbo for a while. They make money off the bust,by recycling the weed,rebusting people with the weed they put out their 'dealers' and swapping out the counterfiet cash for 'good money' and then when you're in court,you pay outragious fees for victim/wittness,use of the court, lab fees and icarceration fees and money recovery fees,even if you used your own money!!!!
No, drugs are illegal for one reason,THE SYSTEM MAKES A SHITLOAD OFF THE PEOPLE THEY TURN INTO DEALERS AND USERS!!! As long as using drugs to make illegal profits for your town is cool there will never be an end to the 'Drug War' But we can damn sure bring an end to the republic,which may be the only way to restore our lost Freedom and Liberty,because Bin Ladin ain't shit,except as a national distraction.Our real enemy is DC!!!
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Posted by: Lauren on Sep 17, 2008 2:03 PM
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Medical Marijuana: The Replacement for Very Dangerous Drugs
ASA's Online Discussion Forums Is Cannabis helpful in treatment of PTSD?
Where can I find a doctor who treats PTSD with cannabis? Anybody know?
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Sep 18, 2008 12:43 PM
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By May 2008 the tobacco industry had made twice as many contributions to one candidate- Giuliani-- as any other. Yes, he's the one notorious for harsh crackdown on marijuana in the 90's.
Cannabis legalization will bring with it de fact legalization of what Big Tobackgo really fears: the vaporizer (eliminates carbon monoxide and 420 other combustion toxins), the e-cigarette (vaporizes nicotine-- or THC if you can get some-- out of an insertable cartridge), or a single-toke one-hitter made in your garage, which, if the crater-head is glass or metal, you can use as a vaporizer by passing the lighter flame slowly around the sides of the head, heating the glass or metal, and vaporizing some of the herb vitamin out without setting it on fire.
Governments fear the loss of cigarettes because they are a cash cow, revenue used for roads, schools and everything else without raising the tax rate on regular citizens (the addicts are presumed guilty of what advertising has turned them into).
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Posted by: coop on Sep 18, 2008 6:25 PM
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We have no money for education or health care, but we always have enough for more prisons.
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Posted by: strange_trp on Sep 18, 2008 10:32 PM
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essentially, decriminalization equates to removing the possibility of incarceration for possession. don't mistakenly assume that a possession "citation" is a green light, however. the fact is that as an adult (over 21) in north carolina, if you are convicted of the class 3 misdemeanor of possessing less than 1/2 ounce of marijuana, you WILL be labeled as a CRIMINAL with a DRUG RECORD and your chances of getting a decent job in many professional fields will be history until you can be granted clemency from the governor's office (minimum 5 years) or expungement by judicial review (minimum 10 years- only because of the recent passing of ncgs 15-150.) If you are under 21, the law provides for "deferred prosecution" under ncgs 90-96.
I graduated with a BA in psychology and finished a year of graduate school before financial reality forced me to drop out and accept a position as a youth counselor. Then in 1999, I was arrested and convicted of simple possession and possession of paraphernalia (essentially anything that could be used to ingest the marijuana.) My sentence of 45 days DOC was suspended (as the law requires) on the condition of 18 months probation. I was 26 at the time.
The resulting CRIMINAL RECORD (funny how "decriminalization" isn't so alluring anymore) cost me my career in behavior management. I am also effectively (though not necessarily mandated) barred from a career as a public school teacher or counselor, counselor in a juvenile treatment facility, counselor for re-integrating parolees and released inmates, and basically anything else i could do with a BA +1 in psych. so i started a new career as an auto technician.
Now, nearly 10 years later, my body cannot withstand the demands of the automotive service career. I am still waiting to hear from the governor's office regarding my petition for clemency. And may 1999 + 18 months = november 2010 I will be eligible to file a motion to have the conviction set aside. Until then my BA is still useless (although you KNOW i still owe on the student loan) and my county will not even accept my application to be a substitute teacher.
looking back, it would have been better for my future for me to just serve the active time. at the very least, i'd be looking at july 2009 instead of november 2010 to get my life back. after all, what good is freedom when you're regulated to poverty?
DONT BE FOOLED. DECRIMINALIZATION IS NOT ENOUGH. I AM STILL LABELED AS A CRIMINAL AND IT SHOWS UP ON BACKGROUND CHECKS.
LEGALIZE.
don't marginalize.
just my experience. yours may vary.
larry steven anderson, jr.
winston salem, nc
http://www.doc.state.nc.us/clemency/pardons.htm
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Posted by: captainkona on Sep 23, 2008 9:05 AM
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They know they'll get us locked up for violating terms so they can say they don't put us in prison while still doing so.
John Walters is a scum bag and Barack Obama doesn't have a hair on his ass if he doesn't fire the bastard and dissolve the ONDCP once elected.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Sep 24, 2008 1:31 PM
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When this dirty war on drugs couldn't get me with felonies and prison time over ten years ago, this is what happened. They went after my family and when all was said and done my mom's husband had been looted and killed in Hospice scam run by an informant. That's right, they target your family.
Poteheads have no honor and deserve no respect. As for as I am concerned, until you learn to fight for your rights (and I don't mean whinning because your pussy hurts) but fighting to win, you will get what you deserve.
Citizenship is a dangerous game. It requires courage and a plan that has at least a chance of success. My assessment of opposition to marijuana prohibition in America is this. When you have no courage, you deserve no respect.
Jay Lindberg
Author of Drug War Economics: The Machine Behind the Madness
PS. I have solutions to this war on drugs. I doubt anyone even has the courage to find out what they are. Cowards and sheep get what they deserve. jaylindberg@hotmail.com
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Posted by: aussidawg on Sep 16, 2008 12:44 AM
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Look, the way illegal drug money works is Afganistan sends the raw opium to Turkey. Turkey the converts the raw opium into heroin, which acording to investigators are then imported by the CIA in America, or MI-5 or MI-6 in the UK. Turkey then uses the money they make from the sale of heroin to buy weapons from our MIC. The CIA, MI-5 and MI-6 use the money they get from the non-taxible black market to provide funds for black projects.
Drug laws never have been about protecting the public health. At first, they were used to discriminate against the Chinese (opium dens were only legal if a white man was in charge), cocaine was outlawed because it made black men attack white women, and weed was outlawed because we Muricans didn't like Messkins. Now that the government has found a very highly profitable substance to deal in (they win from both ends...the prison industry wins from busts and the government wins directly fromm sales. The practical thing as far as pubic health is concerned is to legalize all drugs and tax them, which would provide a financial base for those seeking treatment. But then once you consider the reasoning behind the drug war, do you really think the government will give up such a cash cow? No way!
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Posted by: VetAgainst McCain on Sep 16, 2008 12:55 AM
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But more seriously, folks, I wrote about the subject indirectly in a 2004 nonfiction book about politics this way:
In 1963, Laura Bush, then a Midland teenager busy chatting with her girlfriend passenger, drove through a stop sign, T-boned a car that had the right-away and killed its driver.
Guess what kind of traffic citation she got?
She didn’t.
Incredibly, the future First Lady committed negligent homicide, an offense ordinary people in Midland would’ve gone to jail for, and she didn’t even have to pay a fine.
So what kind of legal system was that, anyway?
Back then, it was called “Justice for the Lone State Elite” in a state that tried ordinary teenagers Laura’s age as adults and put them in prison for years simply because they inhaled fumes from a burning marijuana leaf.
Lower status kids were punished for smoking pot that only harmed themselves (maybe), but it was perfectly okay to commit manslaughter with an automobile if you were like Laura, part of the Lone Star Elite.
Vet against McCain
To find out why, click on the links below:
Songbird McCain (Popular anti-McCain Web site)
American View (My favorite anti-GOP Web site
Vietnam Veterans Against McCain (self-explanatory)
Vote Vets (supported by 100,000 Iraq and Afghan war vets)
PS: I have smoked pot and found it quite enjoyable.
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that guy on cspan, walters, is he like even semi - conscious to planet earth and the miraculous wonder the mother gives to us every day the sun rises ...
i am in the thought that all this really is an extension of women hating, earth hating, witch burning, herbalist and wise women denying ...
and i do not think killing a defenseless animal from a plane is wise. since i generally think of wise as kind.
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Posted by: Cybershaman on Sep 16, 2008 6:15 AM
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What was once a gigglefest has become a pogram to keep minority populations behaviors from infiltrating white cultures alchohol soaked patterns.
It is also effectively used to harrass progressive politicians and prevent them from being able to gain public office. Felons can't vote, and you can't vote in jail. It's a win-win for the GOP so why should they admit to what they're up to.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 16, 2008 7:03 AM
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In a message to Congress on August 2, 1977, President Jimmy Carter insisted: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."
Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Law Judge Francis L. Young wrote on September 8, 1988: "Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."
After years of suppression by the government, the truth about medical marijuana is finally coming out. Dr. Tod Mikuriya, former director of marijuana research for the entire federal government, wrote in 1996: "I was hired by the government to provide scientific evidence that marijuana was harmful. As I studied the subject, I began to realize that marijuana was once widely used as a safe and effective medicine. But the government had a different agenda, and I had to resign."
Tobacco kills about 430,700 each year. Alcohol and alcohol-related diseases and injuries kill about 110,000 per year. Secondhand tobacco smoke kills about 50,000 every year. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs kill 7,600 each year. Cocaine kills about 500 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Heroin kills about 400 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Adverse reactions to prescription drugs total 32,000 per year, while marijuana kills no one.
A November 4, 2002 Time/CNN Poll found that eighty percent of those polled felt marijuana should be legal only for therapeutic purposes. 72 percent felt recreational users should get fines rather than jail time, which is essentially decriminalization. The complete legalization of marijuana was favored only by 34 percent of respondents, but this figure is twice as large as it was in 1986. Marijuana is safer than alcohol and tobacco, and our drug laws should reflect this reality.
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Each year, the U.S. government spends more than $30 billion on the drug war and arrests over 1.5 million people on drug-related charges. Over 318,000 people are now behind bars in the U.S. for drug violations, greater than the total number of people incarcerated for all crimes in England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined.
Our government is calling for billions of dollars to fight a drug war it can't win. Roughly 75 percent of this money goes to enforcing laws and regulations, but only 15 percent goes to drug education and prevention, and a only a meager 10 percent goes to treatment for addicts.
During the 1950s, long-term prison sentences against drug users choked the courts, strained and disrupted prisons and drove black-market prices even higher. The latest casualty in the drug war has been our civil liberties: mandatory drug testing so we can all be “drug free”. Some of these tests have been struck down by the courts, where the government is the employer. But others have been upheld. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia denounced these drug tests as “an immolation of privacy and human dignity in symbolic opposition to drug use.”
Even putting America under martial law will not solve the nation's drug problem. Iran executes hundreds of drug offenders. Malaysia has hanged dozens of drug users in the past few years. In neither country has the drug problem receded. In fact, in Malaysia, the addiction rate continues to rise. On the other hand, the Dutch government, with its liberal social and political philosophy, tolerates drug use, and the addiction rate is declining.
According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.” Close to 100 million Americans, including over half of those between the ages of 18 and 50, have tried marijuana at least once. Military and police recruiters often have no alternative but to ignore past marijuana use by job seekers.
In 1996, California voters passed a law to regulate medical marijuana within the state. In 2000, voters in California approved an initiative allowing people who are arrested for simple possession of drugs to go through a rehabilitation program rather than through the court process that would result in prison. Since the program began, most agree it has been very successful. It results in less recidivism and is considered cheaper than imprisonment.
Richard Posner, Chicago's chief judge of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. Posner, a Reagan administration appointee once described by American Lawyer magazine as “the most brilliant judge in the country,” explained his views on marijuana in The Times Literary Supplement, a British publication, and in later interview:
“It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," says Posner. "I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole.”
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New York University law professor Burt Neuborne said it's significant that “one of the leading intellectuals in the judicial system recognizes that the laws don't seem to be working well.”
Posner and other federal judges have complained that sentencing guidelines force them to give unjustly severe prison sentences to relatively minor drug offenders. Says Posner: “Prison terms in America have become appallingly long, especially for conduct that, arguably, should not be criminal at all. Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility.”
Rufus King, a Washington, DC lawyer who has served on the President's Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, calls the drug war, “A worthless crusade.” According to King, drug use is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. He observes: “Cigarette use is declining through changes in cultural values in the population. Like most smokers and alcoholics, most users of illegal drugs poison themselves because they want to be intoxicated. No human force can do them much good until they want help.” King is optimistic that the current anti-drug hysteria will subside, and responsible and reasonable drug law policies will be adopted.
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Dissenting from the recent Supreme Court ruling on the suspension of an Alaskan student for waving a banner -- "BONG HITS 4 Jesus" -- at a high school event, Justice John Paul Stevens takes the long view:
"...the current dominant opinion supporting the war on drugs in general, and our anti-marijuana laws in particular, is reminiscent of the opinion that supported the nationwide ban on alcohol consumption when I was a student. While alcoholic beverages are now regarded as ordinary articles of commerce, their use was then condemned with the same moral fervor that now supports the war on drugs...
"...just as Prohibition in the 1920's and early 1930's was secretly questioned by thousands of otherwise law-abiding patrons of bootleggers and speakeasies, today the actions of literally millions of otherwise law abiding users of marijuana, and of the majority of voters in each of the several states that tolerate medicinal uses of the product, lead me to wonder whether the fear of disapproval by those in the majority is silencing opponents of the war on drugs."
The Washington Post, July 26, 2007, reported: "Stevens compared the current marijuana ban to the abandoned alcohol ban and urged a respectful hearing for those who suggest 'however inarticulately' that the ban is 'futile' and that marijuana should be legalized, taxed and regulated instead of prohibited."
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 16, 2008 7:12 AM
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Hemp has many economic uses. It contains the longest fiber in the plant kingdom and is one of the strongest and most durable. It can be used for commercial and industrial applications, including insulation, textiles, clothing, and rope. The fiber and pulp can be used to manufacture nondeteriorating paper using a relatively pollution-free process. The plant can also be used for biomass applications. Its seeds yield oil similar to linseed, which can be used in many commercial and industrial applications. In Eastern Europe and Central Asia, the seeds have been used for human consumption.
"Hemp. It's marijuana's nonspyschoactive sister," writes Ed Rosenthal. "You couldn't get a buzz if you smoked a bale of hemp, but it's still illegal to grow it in the United States." Industrial hemp is legally grown in over thirty countries. For thousands of years, people grew hemp and prospered. It flourishes without pesticides. Thomas Jefferson considered hemp so vital to America that he risked his life to smuggle hemp seeds out of France. George Washington grew hemp and instructed his caretaker at Mount Vernon: "Make the most of the hemp seed. Sow it everywhere."
Industrial hemp was first grown in Kentucky 250 years ago. It is currently grown in other countries across the globe, including France, England, Canada, Australia, China, Hungary and the Ukraine. Industrial hemp has virtually no THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. It cannot be used as a drug. None of the countries that allow industrial hemp production have experienced any drug problems relating to the crop. Using modern processing techniques, hemp can be used in place of petrochemicals. Instead of synthetic plastics made from oil, we can use natural fiber and processed bioplastic derivatives. Plastics and polyester rely on foreign oil, while cotton consumes enormous amounts of water, fertilizer, herbicides, and pesticides.
Industrial hemp is very clean, easy to grow and is one of the most environmentally sound sources of industrial fiber in the world. Environmentally friendly detergents, plastics, paints, varnishes, cosmetics, and textiles are already being made from it in Europe. Industrial hemp can meet our fiber needs while also revitalizing our struggling rural economies.
Hemp is already being used in place of trees for pressboard, particleboard, and core concrete construction molds. Paper made from hemp is acid-free, stronger and lasts far longer than paper made from trees. Hemp fabrics are far stronger and more resistant to mold than any other natural fiber. Builders in France and Germany use hemp for construction material, replacing drywall and plywood. Hemp can be used to manufacture plastic plumbing pipe, replacing such toxic materials as polyvinyl chloride (PVC). Hemp fiber is already being used in place of glass fiber in surfboards and snowboards. Hemp could also provide the resin itself.
For ideological reasons, the federal government refuses to allow farmers to grow hemp despite the fact that industrial hemp is currently grown legally worldwide. The current Bush administration took anti-hemp policy to a new extreme, attempting unsuccessfully to ban the import of hemp foods and cosmetics. Erwin "Bud" Sholts, director of the Wisconsin Agriculture Department's marketing division, said hemp "is the most value-added, prolific fiber crop man can grow." Sholts acknowledged that hemp is an emotional issue, but points out that "other nations with drug laws as tough or tougher than ours have overcome this hurdle." The U.S. is the only major industrialized nation that prohibits the growing of industrial hemp; anti-drug hysteria should not blind the public to the commercial and industrial applications of hemp.
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Posted by: jrmart on Sep 16, 2008 7:36 AM
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i don't want to spend my taxes arresting and keeping people in custody, but i don't want to be on the road with a Marijuana hig driver either.
Until it is legal, STOP USING IT./
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Posted by: NotJesus on Sep 16, 2008 8:23 AM
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1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death, a cannabis smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as
much cannabis as is contained in one cannabis cigarette. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of cannabis within
about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.
Cannabis is actually one of the safest substances on the planet to ingest.
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Sep 16, 2008 8:33 AM
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Ganja, on the other hand quiets the left brain chatter and gives rise to the right brain's visions and intuitions. People get ideas about alternate ways of being and act on them which is considered dangerous by people who live to control you through media, consumerism and medication "therapy". Those who say ganja does this too, MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, quench their cotton mouth with alcohol which puts you right into the lizard mind and removes the good effects of the ganja. Don't mix them!
LEGALIZE!
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I'll give you a good example of "government based drug facts." In the early 70's when LSD was so popular, the government came out with some manufactured lies about it causing chromosome breakage in humans. There were a lot better reasons for kids to avoid LSD, but telling lies helped make them suspect.
The lies told about marijuana then, still exist today, even in the face of new research. Why? Because the drug interdiction business is BIG BUSINESS. Think of how many jobs rely on the idiotic efforts to interdict drugs from coming into this country or the movement of drugs illegally manufactured or grown here. And, Ollie and the boys used drug money to buy arms for the Contras in Nicaragua.
Wasting money tracking down pot smokers is like pissing into the wind, but much more expensive. Making criminals out of pot smokers is absurd. When will these "moralistic idiots" learn that?
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It's Giuliani Time: the Mussolini of Manhattan
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Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 16, 2008 4:30 PM
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To the government you're a sin tax revenue stream, and they aren't concerned about whether you get sick and die from the shit they're peddling.
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: onevoter on Sep 16, 2008 8:54 PM
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But sadly, that is probably the only way it will become legal, so government and corporations can make money off of it.
You should be able to grow cannibis just like you would grow tomatoes, in a garden at your home, or even in your home.
Today, you can make your own home brewed beer or wine, but can't sell it without a license. That's the way it could be with ganja.
Simply put, a dozen plants would be more than enough for most smokers for a year's supply of personal use.
LEGALIZE IT!
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citations for weed related crimes every year,at
$685 for even a seed,which BTW does'nt contain any THC, you can see what a money maker for the locals keeping weed illegal is.
This is why it will most certainly be in legal limbo for a while. They make money off the bust,by recycling the weed,rebusting people with the weed they put out their 'dealers' and swapping out the counterfiet cash for 'good money' and then when you're in court,you pay outragious fees for victim/wittness,use of the court, lab fees and icarceration fees and money recovery fees,even if you used your own money!!!!
No, drugs are illegal for one reason,THE SYSTEM MAKES A SHITLOAD OFF THE PEOPLE THEY TURN INTO DEALERS AND USERS!!! As long as using drugs to make illegal profits for your town is cool there will never be an end to the 'Drug War' But we can damn sure bring an end to the republic,which may be the only way to restore our lost Freedom and Liberty,because Bin Ladin ain't shit,except as a national distraction.Our real enemy is DC!!!
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Medical Marijuana: The Replacement for Very Dangerous Drugs
ASA's Online Discussion Forums Is Cannabis helpful in treatment of PTSD?
Where can I find a doctor who treats PTSD with cannabis? Anybody know?
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By May 2008 the tobacco industry had made twice as many contributions to one candidate- Giuliani-- as any other. Yes, he's the one notorious for harsh crackdown on marijuana in the 90's.
Cannabis legalization will bring with it de fact legalization of what Big Tobackgo really fears: the vaporizer (eliminates carbon monoxide and 420 other combustion toxins), the e-cigarette (vaporizes nicotine-- or THC if you can get some-- out of an insertable cartridge), or a single-toke one-hitter made in your garage, which, if the crater-head is glass or metal, you can use as a vaporizer by passing the lighter flame slowly around the sides of the head, heating the glass or metal, and vaporizing some of the herb vitamin out without setting it on fire.
Governments fear the loss of cigarettes because they are a cash cow, revenue used for roads, schools and everything else without raising the tax rate on regular citizens (the addicts are presumed guilty of what advertising has turned them into).
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Posted by: modeler on Sep 18, 2008 12:47 PM
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Posted by: coop on Sep 18, 2008 6:25 PM
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We have no money for education or health care, but we always have enough for more prisons.
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Posted by: strange_trp on Sep 18, 2008 10:32 PM
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essentially, decriminalization equates to removing the possibility of incarceration for possession. don't mistakenly assume that a possession "citation" is a green light, however. the fact is that as an adult (over 21) in north carolina, if you are convicted of the class 3 misdemeanor of possessing less than 1/2 ounce of marijuana, you WILL be labeled as a CRIMINAL with a DRUG RECORD and your chances of getting a decent job in many professional fields will be history until you can be granted clemency from the governor's office (minimum 5 years) or expungement by judicial review (minimum 10 years- only because of the recent passing of ncgs 15-150.) If you are under 21, the law provides for "deferred prosecution" under ncgs 90-96.
I graduated with a BA in psychology and finished a year of graduate school before financial reality forced me to drop out and accept a position as a youth counselor. Then in 1999, I was arrested and convicted of simple possession and possession of paraphernalia (essentially anything that could be used to ingest the marijuana.) My sentence of 45 days DOC was suspended (as the law requires) on the condition of 18 months probation. I was 26 at the time.
The resulting CRIMINAL RECORD (funny how "decriminalization" isn't so alluring anymore) cost me my career in behavior management. I am also effectively (though not necessarily mandated) barred from a career as a public school teacher or counselor, counselor in a juvenile treatment facility, counselor for re-integrating parolees and released inmates, and basically anything else i could do with a BA +1 in psych. so i started a new career as an auto technician.
Now, nearly 10 years later, my body cannot withstand the demands of the automotive service career. I am still waiting to hear from the governor's office regarding my petition for clemency. And may 1999 + 18 months = november 2010 I will be eligible to file a motion to have the conviction set aside. Until then my BA is still useless (although you KNOW i still owe on the student loan) and my county will not even accept my application to be a substitute teacher.
looking back, it would have been better for my future for me to just serve the active time. at the very least, i'd be looking at july 2009 instead of november 2010 to get my life back. after all, what good is freedom when you're regulated to poverty?
DONT BE FOOLED. DECRIMINALIZATION IS NOT ENOUGH. I AM STILL LABELED AS A CRIMINAL AND IT SHOWS UP ON BACKGROUND CHECKS.
LEGALIZE.
don't marginalize.
just my experience. yours may vary.
larry steven anderson, jr.
winston salem, nc
http://www.doc.state.nc.us/clemency/pardons.htm
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Posted by: captainkona on Sep 23, 2008 9:05 AM
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They know they'll get us locked up for violating terms so they can say they don't put us in prison while still doing so.
John Walters is a scum bag and Barack Obama doesn't have a hair on his ass if he doesn't fire the bastard and dissolve the ONDCP once elected.
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Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Sep 24, 2008 1:31 PM
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When this dirty war on drugs couldn't get me with felonies and prison time over ten years ago, this is what happened. They went after my family and when all was said and done my mom's husband had been looted and killed in Hospice scam run by an informant. That's right, they target your family.
Poteheads have no honor and deserve no respect. As for as I am concerned, until you learn to fight for your rights (and I don't mean whinning because your pussy hurts) but fighting to win, you will get what you deserve.
Citizenship is a dangerous game. It requires courage and a plan that has at least a chance of success. My assessment of opposition to marijuana prohibition in America is this. When you have no courage, you deserve no respect.
Jay Lindberg
Author of Drug War Economics: The Machine Behind the Madness
PS. I have solutions to this war on drugs. I doubt anyone even has the courage to find out what they are. Cowards and sheep get what they deserve. jaylindberg@hotmail.com
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