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Warrior John McCain: Far More Dangerous Than Bush
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Listening to John McCain talk about Iraq and Iran, I keep thinking of Power. Counter-insurgency and nuclear obliteration are poles apart, I know. But McCain's insistence on "winning in Iraq," remaining there "until Iraq is secure," and "bomb-bomb-bombing Iran" reveal the same mindset that made General Power so dangerous. Caught up in his fear that a military failure would encourage America's enemies, McCain can see no alternative to military victory, no matter what the cost. This might be a laudable spirit to drum into raw military recruits, but could prove extremely self-destructive in a commander in chief.
The question, if only Obama would ask, is simple: What in McCain's mind would a military victory in Iraq look like? One of the key instigators of the US invasion, McCain has suggested different answers over the years.
As president of the New Citizenship Project, founded in 1994, he helped create and raise funding for the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which neo-conservatives such as William Kristol, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz used to push their plans for a pre-emptive war against Iraq. McCain also gave early support to Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi exile who widely fabricated and skillfully publicized deliberate disinformation to scare Americans into believing that Saddam Hussein had links to al-Qaeda and active weapons of mass destruction. McCain has recently tried to play down his relationship with the still-active Chalabi, especially since the CIA and others accused the Iraqi of secretly working with Iran.
A top Republican on the Senate Armed Forces Committee, McCain began publicly urging the United States to overthrow Saddam Hussein as early as 1997, calling on the Clinton administration to set up an Iraqi government in exile. The following year, he joined with Senator Joe Lieberman and others to introduce the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998," committing Washington to fund Chalabi and other anti-Saddam opposition groups.
In the run-up to the invasion in 2002 and early 2003, McCain continued to join with his neo-conservative allies in parroting Chalabi's scare stories about terrorist links and WMD and in publicly promoting Chalabi as "a patriot with the interest of Iraq at heart." McCain also competed with Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld in telling Americans how easy the war would be, how few troops we would need, how the Iraqis would welcome us as their liberators, and how the example of regime change in Iraq would lead to a new wave of democracy throughout the region.
McCain was wrong on every count, and the image of victory he projected - our friend Chalabi leading a peaceful, democratic Iraq that would welcome American military bases for as long as 100 years - now seems, at best, quaint. In fact, the single Iraqi issue on which McCain can conceivably claim to have made a sound judgment was his support for the so-called "surge," last year's escalation of American forces that many observers credit with a relative decrease in violence. Other observers point to two factors that McCain doesn't want to discuss - the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad's neighborhoods, which forcibly separated feuding Shi'a and Sunnis, and the Pentagon's effort to win over Sunni tribesmen and former insurgents, often by putting them on the US payroll.
According to Congressional testimony from Gen. David Petraeus, the rapprochement with the Sunnis actually began well before the new troops arrived. More importantly, it will likely prove short-lived if the Shi'a-led government in Baghdad does not move quickly to give the Sunnis a fair share of the economic and political future of a united Iraq. As McCain and others originally proposed it, the surge was supposed to create time and space for these and other political steps, but the Iraqis see no reason to seek political solutions as long as they believe that American troops will remain in country to protect them from their domestic rivals.
McCain does not dispute this. He ignores it, just as he refuses to see that the continued presence of American troops in Iraq has helped to recruit far more anti-American jihadists in Iraq and out than we can ever hope to kill, a point CIA and other analysts have repeatedly made. This is the political side of our current military disaster, and McCain just does not get it. For all his much-vaunted experience, he simply cannot see that a foreign military presence will generally create a hugely negative response, as it has in post-colonial lands from Iraq to Afghanistan -- and just as it would in his native Arizona.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 18, 2008 1:46 AM
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home page banner says, "Seven reasons why you shouldn't vote for Sen. McCain in 2008."
They are:
1. He will continue President Bush's belligerent foreign policy
which led to the unjustified and unending Iraq War that has
killed more than 4,000 U.S. military personnel and 100,000
Iraqi civilians, decimated our armed forces and added mega-
billions to the national debt.
2. McCain has endorsed the failed Bush economic policies that
are destroying the middleclass, causing jobs to go overseas,
pushing homeowners into foreclosure and endangering the
future of our offspring for decades to come.
3. McCain is America's "Number One Neocon" with direct ties
to Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist oganization, Project for
a New American Century (PNAC), which promoted regime
change in Iraq before 9/11 and wants to dominate the world
with U.S. military power.
4. During the 2008 presidental campaign, McCain showed he
lacked the necessary integrity to be commander-in-chief by
flip-flopping on major issues -- such as torture, off-shore
drilling and the 2001 Bush tax cuts that favored America's
wealthiest citizens.
5. He promised in February not run a negative campaign. Then,
five months later, rather than discuss important issues like
high energy prices and rising unemployment, McCain's advisors
unleashed a scurrilous, Karl Rove-inspired attack on Barack
Obama's character, such as calling him "arrogant" -- a substitute
for "uppity" with racial overtones. Never mind that arrogance
is a quintessential quality of anyone seeking to become the most
powerful leader on Earth, including Senator McCain.
6. McCain distorted his "heroic" POW record and exploited it for
political gain.
7. Finally, if McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington
will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain
in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know
how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight
years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a
better future than that.
If you agree with the above seven reasons, please copy this comment and email it to at least five people who want REAL change in America instead of four more years of rightwing Republican misery
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran (for the benefit of new AlterNet visitors)
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 18, 2008 1:49 AM
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As proof, according to C-SPAN, which reported the numbers last Saturday, soldiers overseas are donating more money to Barack's campaign than Unfit McCain's -- by a ratio of six to one.
U-RAH!
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» Lionheart, scroll down and read my comment about you smearing Col. Hackworth yesterday.
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» Turn on the light.
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» Keep it real!
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» One more thing, Lionheart. If Hack were alive, he'd track you down and whip your impudent ass!
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Posted by: Opinionator on Aug 18, 2008 3:48 AM
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Thanks Hugh Scott for your insightful entries.
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Posted by: progressive-life on Aug 18, 2008 3:56 AM
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They talk about how his first 4 years were a disaster (no surprise), his inflexibility, stubbornness etc.etc.. After the sweeping changes in his administration with Condi Rice leading foreign affairs policy he has embarked upon a policy that the next President would be wise not to change. I don't specifically agree with many points in the article but one range a bell in conjunction with this article.
They specifically mention this point as a result of his changing policy and how it made this possible."" According to Congressional testimony from Gen. David Petraeus, the rapprochement with the Sunnis actually began well before the new troops arrived.""
McCain will not bring to the table what this country needs to heal itself..Abortion, taxes, healthcare are all major reasons NOT to vote for McCain.
Some seem to be intent on "swiftboating" McCain with bogus claims - same that was done to Kerry. That low tactic, especially with no basis, will do nothing but fuel McCain support.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 18, 2008 6:12 AM
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The current occupants of the government have taken us into 2 wars, outted an undercover CIA officer for retaliation, and committed treason, high crimes and misdemeanors. How much more can this country withstand from this bunch of criminals?! And yet McSame stands with them proudly! He may have been a maverick in his younger days, now he just needs to be put out to pasture!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 18, 2008 6:44 AM
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John McCain, 2008
Ummm....Excuse me??? Would someone please tell me what war John McCain "won"? Vietnam? WRONG!!!! Last time I checked, we had lost that war. I believe that nasty little fact still stands. John McCain spent most of the duration of that conflict as a guest of Ho Chi Minh in a Hanoi prison. Just humor him. He really believes he won it.
Call me paranoid but the very idea of this senile old bobblehead with his pudgy little finger on the nuclear trigger doesn't quite sit well, if you know what I mean. At this very moment, the small, black and white television in my office is tuned to CNN. There is a live shot of McCain screaming about the danger posed by Russia. Just what we need! A resurrection of the Cold War!
Are the American people gong to be stupid enough to compound the mistake of sending a disgusting little thug like George W. Bush to the White House eight years ago by electing McCain? We're going to really look like a nation of assholes if that happens, don'cha think? I do. I really do!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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Posted by: Midway54 on Aug 18, 2008 9:02 AM
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These reports are just more evidence of the Plutocracy at work. Thinking Americans have had it with this crowd. There can be absolutely no doubt about the ultra-right's frantic rush to get McBush into office to continue the Bush Imperialistic Disaster.
Recalling that McBush's foreign policy adviser is a recent lobbyist for Georgia who, along with McBush, knows Georgia's installed president well, it was remarkable that the Russia-Georgia confrontation occurred just in time for McBush's appearance before the evangelicals to assume his tough guy Reagan-Teddy R. role and what he contends is the renewed Russian threat.
McBush is appearing in TV broadcasts with flags everywhere and in front of sometimes uniformed military and more frequently of late before the veterans with their caps on. He is absolutely lusting after the role of the new warrior president and is shameless in his flip flops and pure misstatements.
A couple of his utterances in his show for the benefit of the evangelicals were noteworthy. He was asked about privacy vis-a-vis security in terms of government activity and civil rights. He answered it as expected, and almost as an afterthought threw in that workers should vote for or against a union by secret (privacy) ballot. I'm sure that the rightwinger plutocrats besides the evangelists were delighted. The card signing for or against by a workman cuts off time and expense of a full blown election that corporations succesfully undermine and otherwise resist. The corporate and McBush's "concern" for the working stiff is utterly laughable in light of their war against the middle class.
The other question brought his Regan-style simple response to the question of evil and how to confront or oppose or defeat it. McBush only said he'd defeat it, and cheering followed. Of course, there were no details, but McBush's approach would indubitably consist of bombing, invading, grabbing persons off the streets abroad and perhaps if things get much worse in claimed presidential power even here in the U.S. in his yearning to continue the Disaster of our current Puppet.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 18, 2008 9:07 AM
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But he markets himself as some kind of military strategist. Oh, and he's pro-life. He's a phoney! That's what he is. But the same people who bought into the "stopped drinking and found religion" B.S. will buy into this. If voters demanded quality leadership in this country, we'd have it. Too many people like the "old white haired dude". I don't know why. ANNA
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Posted by: shd1230 on Aug 18, 2008 9:29 AM
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I HAVE TO AGREE THAT JOHN MCCAIN WOULD BE EVEN MORE DANGEROUS THAN GEORGE W. BUSH IF HE SHOULD HAVE A MAJORITY IN CONGRESS--WHICH I FERVENTLY HOPE HE WILL NOT. OBAMA MAY NOT BE THE BEST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY--BUT HE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE THE WORST--SO FAR GWB HAS THAT TITLE SEWED UP--BUT THE DIEHARD REPUBS WANT MORE OF THE SAME FROM THEIR HERO-GEEZER. SOMEBODY CALL OUT THE SWIFTBOATERS--OH--I FORGOT--THAT ONLY WORKS AGAINS DEMOCRAT WAR HEROES....
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Posted by: williameon on Aug 18, 2008 9:54 AM
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Old Reptile Headed Zio-WHORE!
What about all the Pregnant Women and Babies you
Bombed in Viet Nam?
What about all the Babies Bush has killed in Irag?
Who is going to fight the 100 year War Old Man?
The Delusion continues.
Canned questions and Canned Answers.
Some debate.
BUSH II
To stupid to know the difference.
What a poor excuse for a Human Being.
Americo picks another Silver Spoon fed
Alien Aristocracy Loser.
Lord, please plant him now.
RECALL!
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 18, 2008 9:58 AM
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Alleged Lionheart: "Hackworth was run out of the military for trying to discredit other senior military officers and after he was outed for claiming and wearing medals he did not earn. Hardly a reliable source."
Foe readers unfamiliar with "Hack's" war record, during his 25 years in the military, which spanned the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, he received 78 combat awards, including the Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star and eight Purple Hearts. His sterling reputation as a genuine war hero is the reason why I use him for a RELIABLE information source.
To rebut Lionheart's scurrilous characterization of Col. Hackworth, I offer the following Internet extract:
In response to Hackworth's investigation of Admiral Boorda, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.
In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.
Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:
"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."
"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."
"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."
"At the same time, CBS continues to believe that our reports did not state or imply that you knowingly wore or claimed decorations not issued by the U.S. Army and that any such inference drawn from the reports would be mistaken."
"Similarly, we do not believe our reports in any way equated your conduct with that of the late Admiral Boorda's."
"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."
Lionheart should be ashamed of himself for smearing a deceased war hero. As a Vietnam veteran who served honorably in Southeast Asia during two six-month combat support tours and was awarded the Air Medal in 1966, I am duty bound to send a letter of complaint to the AlterNet editorial staff.
The letter will ask that Lionheart be banned from AlterNet for continually violating its policy af not tolerating personal attacks against other users -- such as calling me a "fraud" and saying my military service is "suspect."
I will also follow up my letter with phone calls to AlterNet's headquarters in San Francisco.
Finally, today, on this thread, Lionheart threw cold water on my comment about soldier overseas donating more money to Obama than McCain by saying,
I don't think one could take this as a trend of the military one way or another. I read it differently -- those in the military do not contribute to politicians because they don't make enough money for one and second they do not trust any of them. .
Was Lionheart's negativity really necessary? Yes, if you want to create divisiveness on AlterNet.
Enough said.
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Posted by: timbottoms on Aug 18, 2008 10:15 AM
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Posted by: CatDad on Aug 18, 2008 11:46 AM
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The Centrist/Corporate Democrats have brought this on themselves.....The Iraq War...Free Trade Deals...FISA....ANWAR. 2008 should be a year of historic victories for the Democrats...yet this does not appear to be happening. Michael Moore is right: The Democrats are professional losers. I gave them my time, money, support and vote in 2006 and I got burned. They'll get my vote this time too...yet I will welcome any Democratic election victory with the same sort of weariness that a battered spouse victim gives to her abusive lover after a prolonged absence.
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Posted by: Garvagh on Aug 18, 2008 11:57 AM
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McCain time after time grossly exaggerates the so-called "threat" posed by Iran to Israel when he knows (or should know) that Israel has a defense budget twice as large as Iran's, a much stronger air force, navy etc.
McCain helped to inflate the Georgian president's self-esteem to dangerous dimensions and in effect encouraged the idiotic surprise attack on Russian soldiers based in South Ossetia.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 18, 2008 1:10 PM
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"Dear Hugh,
I agree 100% with what you said and have written. I dropped McCain when he started supporting Bush in 2000. I had a good friend who was a POW for over 5 years. I asked him about McCain when McCain was running against Bush and he told me he couldn't support McCain but he wouldn't tell me why, other than he liked Bush."
"I told him I considered Bush worse than a draft dodger because he used his daddy to get in the National Guard and didn't even fulfill that obligation. I lost a friend on that one."
Here is testimony that can be verified. Posted on my Web site, it comes from an article published in June 2008 by Military.com. The author is Phillip Butler, a Navy pilot and U.S. Naval Academy graduate who spent more than eight years in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war.
Here are some excerpts from Butler’s Internet posting:
Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million
years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would
someday be a Senator and candidate for President! John was a
wild man. He was funny, with a quick wit and he was intelligent.
But he was intent on breaking every regulation in our four-inch-
thick USNA Regulations book. And I believe he must have come
as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the
Academy.
In fact he barely managed to graduate, standing
5th from the bottom of his 800-man class. I and many others have
speculated that the main reason he did graduate was because his
father was an Admiral, and also his grandfather, both Naval
Academy graduates.
I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special
qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs
are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion,
something I would look for in a presidential candidate.
Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60’s
and 70’s. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate
than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and
malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John’s
age (71) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to
serve as our President for four or more years.
I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot
head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have
experienced firsthand. Folks, quite honestly, that is not the finger
I want next to the red button.
John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity
to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist
ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush
because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously
put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely
disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other
instances, I don’t see that John is the “straight talk express” he
markets himself to be.
Butler ended his article this way:
In short, I think John McCain is a good man, but not
someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our
President of the United States.
Enough said.
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 18, 2008 1:37 PM
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To begin with, it is impossible to wage "war" against the mere concept of "terror." It is an enemy which has little or no organization, common ideology, distinctive battleground, nor common, discernible goals. In a free society, the possibility of terrorism can never be wholly eliminated, so the proposition that the Iraq war is keeping America safe is utterly preposterous. What it is doing is keeping people like McCain and his buddy Lieberman unimaginably rich.
Many years ago, I was married to a Naval aviator. He and his colleagues were fond of saying, "Vietnam may not be a good war, but it's the only one we've got." I think that pretty much sums up McCain's view of Iraq--after all, the man's psyche was taken prisoner by obssessive militarism at birth.
As far as the US's losing face if it appears to have been "defeated" in Iraq: first of all, the good senator should open a history text and search for the last instance of a conventional army's victory in an urban guerilla war. But any perception of US weakness as an opportunity for its "enemies" to shake a martial fist at us--thanks to our ludicrously gratuitous weapons arsenal--is sheer nonsense. Secondly, we could quite easily eliminate the widespread enmity toward us just by adopting a policy of tending to our own affairs and allowing the rest of the world to do likewise.
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 18, 2008 3:08 PM
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How else do you explain the White House apparently ignoring CIA intelligence reports about Russian tank and troop movements along the Georgian border before the invasion?
I believe Bush WANTED Russia to attack Georgia. That's why he was having such good time with Putin at the opening Olympic ceremonies. I wouldn't surprised if Putin had leaked the pending "surprise" attack to Dub-ya before hand. The same goes for Unfit McCain.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran (for the benefit of new AlterNet visitors)
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PS: If you agree with my arguments for voting against the ill-tempered, loose-cannon senator, please email five people who want real change in America and ask them to do the same.
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It has now been conclusively shown that Bush did NOT win either election, but the vote was manipulated. Now that we have endured a president that we didn't choose for the last 8 years, we might just find McCain our president even though the majority vote for Obama.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Aug 19, 2008 12:43 AM
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Unfortunately I was not there with the SOB so I don't know the realsies! Oh, I have had plenty of scuttlebutt, but no day date time witnesses.
I am inclined to believe this man was no where near the rest of the enlisted men or Officers in that Camp! That however is the rumor! Can any of you who were there verify this? I do not want another lying monster at the head of this nation. One more of them and I will resort to civil disobedience!
People please, the Nation is being run by terrorists who claim everyone else is the terrorist! These men, 537 of them in the highest offices in the land are traitors to the Constitution, Our Nation of the United States; and deserve life imprisonment at the very least!
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Posted by: HughScott on Aug 18, 2008 1:46 AM
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home page banner says, "Seven reasons why you shouldn't vote for Sen. McCain in 2008."
They are:
1. He will continue President Bush's belligerent foreign policy
which led to the unjustified and unending Iraq War that has
killed more than 4,000 U.S. military personnel and 100,000
Iraqi civilians, decimated our armed forces and added mega-
billions to the national debt.
2. McCain has endorsed the failed Bush economic policies that
are destroying the middleclass, causing jobs to go overseas,
pushing homeowners into foreclosure and endangering the
future of our offspring for decades to come.
3. McCain is America's "Number One Neocon" with direct ties
to Bill Kristol's rightwing extremist oganization, Project for
a New American Century (PNAC), which promoted regime
change in Iraq before 9/11 and wants to dominate the world
with U.S. military power.
4. During the 2008 presidental campaign, McCain showed he
lacked the necessary integrity to be commander-in-chief by
flip-flopping on major issues -- such as torture, off-shore
drilling and the 2001 Bush tax cuts that favored America's
wealthiest citizens.
5. He promised in February not run a negative campaign. Then,
five months later, rather than discuss important issues like
high energy prices and rising unemployment, McCain's advisors
unleashed a scurrilous, Karl Rove-inspired attack on Barack
Obama's character, such as calling him "arrogant" -- a substitute
for "uppity" with racial overtones. Never mind that arrogance
is a quintessential quality of anyone seeking to become the most
powerful leader on Earth, including Senator McCain.
6. McCain distorted his "heroic" POW record and exploited it for
political gain.
7. Finally, if McCain wins in November, the neocons in Washington
will increase their power, Bush's incompetent cronies will remain
in office, our nation will become more divided, we will never know
how many White House crimes were committed over the past eight
years, and U.S. armed forces will attack Iran. America deserves a
better future than that.
If you agree with the above seven reasons, please copy this comment and email it to at least five people who want REAL change in America instead of four more years of rightwing Republican misery
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran (for the benefit of new AlterNet visitors)
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As proof, according to C-SPAN, which reported the numbers last Saturday, soldiers overseas are donating more money to Barack's campaign than Unfit McCain's -- by a ratio of six to one.
U-RAH!
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Posted by: Opinionator on Aug 18, 2008 3:48 AM
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Thanks Hugh Scott for your insightful entries.
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They talk about how his first 4 years were a disaster (no surprise), his inflexibility, stubbornness etc.etc.. After the sweeping changes in his administration with Condi Rice leading foreign affairs policy he has embarked upon a policy that the next President would be wise not to change. I don't specifically agree with many points in the article but one range a bell in conjunction with this article.
They specifically mention this point as a result of his changing policy and how it made this possible."" According to Congressional testimony from Gen. David Petraeus, the rapprochement with the Sunnis actually began well before the new troops arrived.""
McCain will not bring to the table what this country needs to heal itself..Abortion, taxes, healthcare are all major reasons NOT to vote for McCain.
Some seem to be intent on "swiftboating" McCain with bogus claims - same that was done to Kerry. That low tactic, especially with no basis, will do nothing but fuel McCain support.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 18, 2008 6:12 AM
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The current occupants of the government have taken us into 2 wars, outted an undercover CIA officer for retaliation, and committed treason, high crimes and misdemeanors. How much more can this country withstand from this bunch of criminals?! And yet McSame stands with them proudly! He may have been a maverick in his younger days, now he just needs to be put out to pasture!
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 18, 2008 6:44 AM
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John McCain, 2008
Ummm....Excuse me??? Would someone please tell me what war John McCain "won"? Vietnam? WRONG!!!! Last time I checked, we had lost that war. I believe that nasty little fact still stands. John McCain spent most of the duration of that conflict as a guest of Ho Chi Minh in a Hanoi prison. Just humor him. He really believes he won it.
Call me paranoid but the very idea of this senile old bobblehead with his pudgy little finger on the nuclear trigger doesn't quite sit well, if you know what I mean. At this very moment, the small, black and white television in my office is tuned to CNN. There is a live shot of McCain screaming about the danger posed by Russia. Just what we need! A resurrection of the Cold War!
Are the American people gong to be stupid enough to compound the mistake of sending a disgusting little thug like George W. Bush to the White House eight years ago by electing McCain? We're going to really look like a nation of assholes if that happens, don'cha think? I do. I really do!
Tom Degan
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Posted by: Midway54 on Aug 18, 2008 9:02 AM
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These reports are just more evidence of the Plutocracy at work. Thinking Americans have had it with this crowd. There can be absolutely no doubt about the ultra-right's frantic rush to get McBush into office to continue the Bush Imperialistic Disaster.
Recalling that McBush's foreign policy adviser is a recent lobbyist for Georgia who, along with McBush, knows Georgia's installed president well, it was remarkable that the Russia-Georgia confrontation occurred just in time for McBush's appearance before the evangelicals to assume his tough guy Reagan-Teddy R. role and what he contends is the renewed Russian threat.
McBush is appearing in TV broadcasts with flags everywhere and in front of sometimes uniformed military and more frequently of late before the veterans with their caps on. He is absolutely lusting after the role of the new warrior president and is shameless in his flip flops and pure misstatements.
A couple of his utterances in his show for the benefit of the evangelicals were noteworthy. He was asked about privacy vis-a-vis security in terms of government activity and civil rights. He answered it as expected, and almost as an afterthought threw in that workers should vote for or against a union by secret (privacy) ballot. I'm sure that the rightwinger plutocrats besides the evangelists were delighted. The card signing for or against by a workman cuts off time and expense of a full blown election that corporations succesfully undermine and otherwise resist. The corporate and McBush's "concern" for the working stiff is utterly laughable in light of their war against the middle class.
The other question brought his Regan-style simple response to the question of evil and how to confront or oppose or defeat it. McBush only said he'd defeat it, and cheering followed. Of course, there were no details, but McBush's approach would indubitably consist of bombing, invading, grabbing persons off the streets abroad and perhaps if things get much worse in claimed presidential power even here in the U.S. in his yearning to continue the Disaster of our current Puppet.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 18, 2008 9:07 AM
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But he markets himself as some kind of military strategist. Oh, and he's pro-life. He's a phoney! That's what he is. But the same people who bought into the "stopped drinking and found religion" B.S. will buy into this. If voters demanded quality leadership in this country, we'd have it. Too many people like the "old white haired dude". I don't know why. ANNA
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I HAVE TO AGREE THAT JOHN MCCAIN WOULD BE EVEN MORE DANGEROUS THAN GEORGE W. BUSH IF HE SHOULD HAVE A MAJORITY IN CONGRESS--WHICH I FERVENTLY HOPE HE WILL NOT. OBAMA MAY NOT BE THE BEST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY--BUT HE ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BE THE WORST--SO FAR GWB HAS THAT TITLE SEWED UP--BUT THE DIEHARD REPUBS WANT MORE OF THE SAME FROM THEIR HERO-GEEZER. SOMEBODY CALL OUT THE SWIFTBOATERS--OH--I FORGOT--THAT ONLY WORKS AGAINS DEMOCRAT WAR HEROES....
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Old Reptile Headed Zio-WHORE!
What about all the Pregnant Women and Babies you
Bombed in Viet Nam?
What about all the Babies Bush has killed in Irag?
Who is going to fight the 100 year War Old Man?
The Delusion continues.
Canned questions and Canned Answers.
Some debate.
BUSH II
To stupid to know the difference.
What a poor excuse for a Human Being.
Americo picks another Silver Spoon fed
Alien Aristocracy Loser.
Lord, please plant him now.
RECALL!
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Alleged Lionheart: "Hackworth was run out of the military for trying to discredit other senior military officers and after he was outed for claiming and wearing medals he did not earn. Hardly a reliable source."
Foe readers unfamiliar with "Hack's" war record, during his 25 years in the military, which spanned the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, he received 78 combat awards, including the Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star and eight Purple Hearts. His sterling reputation as a genuine war hero is the reason why I use him for a RELIABLE information source.
To rebut Lionheart's scurrilous characterization of Col. Hackworth, I offer the following Internet extract:
In response to Hackworth's investigation of Admiral Boorda, CNN and the CBS evening news with Dan Rather questioned the accuracy of Hackworth's own military decorations.
In particular, the reports accused Hackworth of claiming a Ranger tab to which he was not entitled and an extra Distinguished Flying Cross on his website.
Hackworth threatened to sue CBS and requested a formal audit of his military records. In response to the military audit, the Executive Producer of CBS News sent a letter to Hackworth that stated:
"The Army's audit of its records has determined that the Army made an administrative error back in 1988, when it reissued your medals and awards."
"Along with numerous other decorations, the Army mistakenly issued you a Ranger Tab and two Oak Leaf Clusters for your Distinguished Flying Cross. The Army has thus verified what we reported as your explanation of the matter."
"As far as we are concerned, the Army audit makes clear that you did not at any time wear or claim any military honor not actually issued by the U.S. Army, based on its official records, including the service record you signed and dated."
"At the same time, CBS continues to believe that our reports did not state or imply that you knowingly wore or claimed decorations not issued by the U.S. Army and that any such inference drawn from the reports would be mistaken."
"Similarly, we do not believe our reports in any way equated your conduct with that of the late Admiral Boorda's."
"Indeed, as we believe we made clear in our reports, by all accounts you are a man who has shown extraordinary heroism in your service to our country, and has deservedly been awarded many of the nation's most coveted awards for valor."
Lionheart should be ashamed of himself for smearing a deceased war hero. As a Vietnam veteran who served honorably in Southeast Asia during two six-month combat support tours and was awarded the Air Medal in 1966, I am duty bound to send a letter of complaint to the AlterNet editorial staff.
The letter will ask that Lionheart be banned from AlterNet for continually violating its policy af not tolerating personal attacks against other users -- such as calling me a "fraud" and saying my military service is "suspect."
I will also follow up my letter with phone calls to AlterNet's headquarters in San Francisco.
Finally, today, on this thread, Lionheart threw cold water on my comment about soldier overseas donating more money to Obama than McCain by saying,
I don't think one could take this as a trend of the military one way or another. I read it differently -- those in the military do not contribute to politicians because they don't make enough money for one and second they do not trust any of them. .
Was Lionheart's negativity really necessary? Yes, if you want to create divisiveness on AlterNet.
Enough said.
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Posted by: CatDad on Aug 18, 2008 11:46 AM
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The Centrist/Corporate Democrats have brought this on themselves.....The Iraq War...Free Trade Deals...FISA....ANWAR. 2008 should be a year of historic victories for the Democrats...yet this does not appear to be happening. Michael Moore is right: The Democrats are professional losers. I gave them my time, money, support and vote in 2006 and I got burned. They'll get my vote this time too...yet I will welcome any Democratic election victory with the same sort of weariness that a battered spouse victim gives to her abusive lover after a prolonged absence.
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Posted by: Garvagh on Aug 18, 2008 11:57 AM
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McCain time after time grossly exaggerates the so-called "threat" posed by Iran to Israel when he knows (or should know) that Israel has a defense budget twice as large as Iran's, a much stronger air force, navy etc.
McCain helped to inflate the Georgian president's self-esteem to dangerous dimensions and in effect encouraged the idiotic surprise attack on Russian soldiers based in South Ossetia.
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"Dear Hugh,
I agree 100% with what you said and have written. I dropped McCain when he started supporting Bush in 2000. I had a good friend who was a POW for over 5 years. I asked him about McCain when McCain was running against Bush and he told me he couldn't support McCain but he wouldn't tell me why, other than he liked Bush."
"I told him I considered Bush worse than a draft dodger because he used his daddy to get in the National Guard and didn't even fulfill that obligation. I lost a friend on that one."
Here is testimony that can be verified. Posted on my Web site, it comes from an article published in June 2008 by Military.com. The author is Phillip Butler, a Navy pilot and U.S. Naval Academy graduate who spent more than eight years in North Vietnam as a prisoner of war.
Here are some excerpts from Butler’s Internet posting:
Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million
years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would
someday be a Senator and candidate for President! John was a
wild man. He was funny, with a quick wit and he was intelligent.
But he was intent on breaking every regulation in our four-inch-
thick USNA Regulations book. And I believe he must have come
as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the
Academy.
In fact he barely managed to graduate, standing
5th from the bottom of his 800-man class. I and many others have
speculated that the main reason he did graduate was because his
father was an Admiral, and also his grandfather, both Naval
Academy graduates.
I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special
qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs
are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion,
something I would look for in a presidential candidate.
Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60’s
and 70’s. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate
than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and
malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John’s
age (71) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to
serve as our President for four or more years.
I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot
head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have
experienced firsthand. Folks, quite honestly, that is not the finger
I want next to the red button.
John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity
to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist
ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush
because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously
put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely
disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other
instances, I don’t see that John is the “straight talk express” he
markets himself to be.
Butler ended his article this way:
In short, I think John McCain is a good man, but not
someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our
President of the United States.
Enough said.
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To begin with, it is impossible to wage "war" against the mere concept of "terror." It is an enemy which has little or no organization, common ideology, distinctive battleground, nor common, discernible goals. In a free society, the possibility of terrorism can never be wholly eliminated, so the proposition that the Iraq war is keeping America safe is utterly preposterous. What it is doing is keeping people like McCain and his buddy Lieberman unimaginably rich.
Many years ago, I was married to a Naval aviator. He and his colleagues were fond of saying, "Vietnam may not be a good war, but it's the only one we've got." I think that pretty much sums up McCain's view of Iraq--after all, the man's psyche was taken prisoner by obssessive militarism at birth.
As far as the US's losing face if it appears to have been "defeated" in Iraq: first of all, the good senator should open a history text and search for the last instance of a conventional army's victory in an urban guerilla war. But any perception of US weakness as an opportunity for its "enemies" to shake a martial fist at us--thanks to our ludicrously gratuitous weapons arsenal--is sheer nonsense. Secondly, we could quite easily eliminate the widespread enmity toward us just by adopting a policy of tending to our own affairs and allowing the rest of the world to do likewise.
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How else do you explain the White House apparently ignoring CIA intelligence reports about Russian tank and troop movements along the Georgian border before the invasion?
I believe Bush WANTED Russia to attack Georgia. That's why he was having such good time with Putin at the opening Olympic ceremonies. I wouldn't surprised if Putin had leaked the pending "surprise" attack to Dub-ya before hand. The same goes for Unfit McCain.
Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam veteran (for the benefit of new AlterNet visitors)
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PS: If you agree with my arguments for voting against the ill-tempered, loose-cannon senator, please email five people who want real change in America and ask them to do the same.
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Posted by: kellysgarden on Aug 18, 2008 4:40 PM
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It has now been conclusively shown that Bush did NOT win either election, but the vote was manipulated. Now that we have endured a president that we didn't choose for the last 8 years, we might just find McCain our president even though the majority vote for Obama.
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Posted by: zootlux on Aug 18, 2008 5:20 PM
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Inkling
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Posted by: Lilly on Aug 18, 2008 7:39 PM
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Posted by: tap17x on Aug 18, 2008 8:41 PM
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Aug 19, 2008 12:43 AM
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Unfortunately I was not there with the SOB so I don't know the realsies! Oh, I have had plenty of scuttlebutt, but no day date time witnesses.
I am inclined to believe this man was no where near the rest of the enlisted men or Officers in that Camp! That however is the rumor! Can any of you who were there verify this? I do not want another lying monster at the head of this nation. One more of them and I will resort to civil disobedience!
People please, the Nation is being run by terrorists who claim everyone else is the terrorist! These men, 537 of them in the highest offices in the land are traitors to the Constitution, Our Nation of the United States; and deserve life imprisonment at the very least!
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Posted by: Blacktiger on Aug 19, 2008 1:10 AM
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