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Will Pot Ever Be Legal in This Schizoid Country?
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Here are five signs that pot should be legal soon -- and five reasons why it probably won't.
1. Pot is indelibly a part of the cultural mainstream. The stoner comedy Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay grossed $14.6 million in its first weekend, making it the second most popular movie in the country. Most pro basketball players blaze, according to sources as diverse as the ganjaphile Mavericks player Josh Howard and the anti-drug ex-Knick Charles Oakley. And on April 20, thousands of revelers turned out at the University of Colorado and the University of California at Santa Cruz to celebrate the 4/20 herb holiday.
As of 2002, notes Keith Stroup, legal counsel with the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, 47 percent of American adults had smoked marijuana at some time in their lives, according to a CNN/Time poll. By today, he adds, "it is likely there are more living Americans who have smoked marijuana than who have not. Approximately 26 million Americans smoked marijuana just in the last year. All of these people know it did not cause them any real harm and that it did not keep them from having a successful life and career."
2. Increased medical acceptance. In February, the American College of Physicians, the second-largest medical organization in the country, urged the federal government to move cannabis out of Schedule I, the category for drugs with no legal medical use, "given marijuana's proven efficacy at treating certain symptoms and its relatively low toxicity." The group also strongly urged legal protections for doctors who prescribe cannabis and patients who use it.
Last year, more than 3,000 articles on cannabinoids were published in scientific journals. These have explored their possible uses for a host of ailments, from easing the pain of arthritis to inhibiting the growth of brain tumors.
The development of vaporization technology -- pricey devices that heat cannabis to a point where the THC can be inhaled, but don't incinerate the plant matter -- has eliminated one of the main reasons for doctors to be uncomfortable about the medical use of cannabis: that smoke contains toxic compounds. "Vaporization of THC offers the rapid onset of symptom relief without the negative effects from smoking," the ACP noted.
3. A federal decriminalization bill was introduced last month. HR 5843, sponsored by Reps. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Ron Paul, R-Tex., would eliminate federal penalties for possession of less than 100 grams or for the nonprofit transfer of less than one ounce between adults. The bill is the first decriminalization measure introduced in Congress since the early 1980s.
4. The state budget crunch. With the recession battering their treasuries, many states are taking a second look at the price of incarcerating thousands of drug prisoners. Legal cannabis would eliminate the costs of arresting, prosecuting and jailing cannabis users, growers and dealers, and could be a major new source of tax revenue -- especially in states like California, where it is estimated to be the most valuable cash crop. And cannabis farming could revive rural economies, whether by hemp production in the Great Plains or marijuana cultivation in Appalachia.
5. There are no rational arguments against legalizing cannabis under regulations similar to those for alcohol. I've been covering drug issues for almost 20 years (and smoking the green since? Well, I went to Woodstock when I was 14, you do the math), and I haven't heard any. The most common, the "gateway theory" and the idea that today's pot is so much stronger than Woodstock-era weed that it's essentially a different drug, are based on distortion and misinformation. They aren't even valid rebuttable presumptions like "abortion is murder," "the government should not interfere with the free market by regulating rents," or "the U.S. government had to depose Saddam Hussein by any means necessary." And the "send a message to the children" argument is akin to espousing the resurrection of Prohibition because legal alcohol encourages underage drinking.
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On the other hand, I strongly doubt that cannabis will become legal in the near future, for the following reasons.
1. Pot smokers aren't well organized. According to government surveys, there are about 4 million to 5 million regular marijuana users -- roughly speaking, people who get high at least once a week. The three leading drug-law-reform groups would have a combined mailing list of 35,000 to 55,000 people, estimates NORML executive director Allen St. Pierre. NORML has about 15,000 dues-paying members, 55,000 email subscribers, and 420,000 friends on its Facebook page. The Marijuana Policy Project claims 24,000 members and 180,000 email subscribers. The Drug Policy Alliance has 26,000 members and more than 100,000 email subscribers.
Those numbers are dramatically higher than they were five years ago, but they're still relatively small. MoveOn.org has 3.2 million people on its email list. The National Rifle Association has more than 4 million members.
2. Very few politicians support legalization. About the only nationally known elected officials who advocate full legalization of cannabis are Ron Paul and Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, the two candidates most often derided as fringe lunatics in this year's presidential race. If you stretch the list to include big-city mayors, you'd get Gavin Newsom of San Francisco and the recently retired Rocky Anderson of Salt Lake City. The Frank-Paul decriminalization bill's co-sponsors include both anti-war liberals and far-right semilibertarians, but St. Pierre believes it is unlikely to make it out of committee this year and wouldn't get more than 85 votes if it did. Almost all its supporters represent culturally liberal areas in the far West and Northeast.
"If those of us who currently smoke would take the pledge that we will never again vote for any candidate for public office who supports treating us like criminals, we could end prohibition within a couple of election cycles," says Stroup. But if they did take that pledge, "initially they would frequently only have fringe candidates whom they could support and would have to sit out many major races. So we can't count on most smokers to vote based only on the candidate's position towards treating marijuana smokers like criminals."
3. Marijuana arrests continue at record levels. In 2006, there were 830,000 arrests for marijuana offenses -- almost triple the number of people nabbed in 1991. It was the fourth consecutive year that the number of pot busts set a new record. Of those popped, 89 percent were charged with simple possession.
4. Baby-boomer politicians sold us out. In the 1970s, baby-boomer stoners believed that the laws would inevitably change when the prohibitionist dinosaurs faded out and their generation took over.
Well, among the potheads-turned-politicians of the last 15 years, Bill Clinton signed the law cutting off federal student aid to drug offenders. Clarence Thomas wrote the Supreme Court decision against medical marijuana. Barack Obama now says he is "not interested in legalizing drugs." Al Gore, declaring that he had "put away childish things," came out against legalizing medical marijuana. Newt Gingrich sponsored a bill to execute pot smugglers. George W. Bush (yeah, you expect me to believe that a raging alcoholic with a never-denied taste for cocaine made it through the '70s without a single toke?) has overseen federal crackdowns on headshops, bong-makers, and medical marijuana clinics.
5. We don't live in a rational society. In many ways, American politics haven't changed much from 1928, when people believed that if Al Smith, a Catholic, were elected president, he'd dig a tunnel from the White House to the Vatican, except that now we have the Internet to spread similar rumors. (We didn't have Photoshop in 1927, when Smith dedicated the Holland Tunnel connecting Manhattan and Jersey City.)
We live in a society where politics are dominated by moronic symbolism, where the media ignore government's actual effect on working-class people in favor of pontificating endlessly about the importance of Hillary Clinton knocking back a shot of blended whiskey vs. Obama's abysmal bowling score, where they cast a spoiled senator's son as a "man of the people" because he clears brush and isn't too bright.
We live in a society ruled by fear, where people are willing to accept having the Bill of Rights shredded in the name of fighting drugs or "terrorism."
So it's not surprising that politicians quaver and quail at the idea of supporting a perfectly rational change that would end the legal harassment of millions of Americans. If they did, they'd be damned as "trying to let drug dealers out of jail" and barraged with attack ads accusing them of wanting to sell methamphetamine to 8-year-olds.
There is a very powerful stereotype afoot in much of the population, the belief that anyone "on drugs" is a brutish beast from whom all reason hath fled, a conglomeration of the snapping-at-phantoms temper of a rageball drunk, the stolen-goods appetite of a $500-a-day dope fiend, the self-abasement of a crack addict performing oral sex for a $5 rock, and the casual and calculated sadism of an '80s cocaine kingpin ordaining, "Manolo, choot this piece of chit."
Anyone who knows a pothead knows that this belief is absolutely ludicrous, but it's what sets the tone of American political discourse on drug issues -- or more accurately, almost no one in the political mainstream has the guts to defend drug users by pointing out that it's propaganda.
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Posted by: Miki on May 1, 2008 2:20 AM
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Posted by: opmoc on May 1, 2008 4:33 AM
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It is also liable to make you go completely paranoid such that you think Ozzy Osbourne is not the devil but the Messiah.
I reckon all these lunatics in control are stoned out of their heads on something - and cannabis was probably the gateway drug - so the politicians should be banned
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subject...where's AlterNet...hello...you there?
Can you tell me where you last put this article? Sure would like to read it.
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Posted by: opmoc on May 1, 2008 4:58 AM
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Could this be the answer? I am passing this on to you because it definitely worked for me and we all could use more calm in our lives.
By following the simple advice I heard on a Medical TV show, I have finally found inner peace.
A Doctor proclaimed the way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you have started.
So I looked around my house to see things I started and hadn't finished and, before leaving the house this morning I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Shhhardonay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of vocka, a pockage of Prunglies, tha mainder of bot Prozic and Valum scriptins, the res of the Chesescke an a box a chocolets.
Yu haf no idr who fukin gud I fel.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 1, 2008 5:05 AM
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Add to that the Profits from this ridiculous 'War on Drugs'. Not that we couldn't use such law enforcement to actually be part of real Homeland Security!
Well you Go Barney & Dennis!
And if teh actually accomplish stealing this Dem nomination FOR Hillary- I'll vote for Paul. Actually may consider it anyway- I am sick of these two antiquated parties running our Country in the Ground- Corp covert Operatives working as 'Public Servants' - Inc Whores fully indoctrinated into the Cheney & Co Agenda.
Hang in there Ron- we Might just get the chance to see these Criminals eat Crap in Nov!
I'm certainly open to REAL Change!And No Longer Loyal to a party who has screwed US for Decades, camoflagued in Blue.
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Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 1, 2008 5:43 AM
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And to answer the question of when pot will be legalized.... probably when Ron Paul wins the presidency. (So, yeah, basically never.) There will have to be an economic collapse followed by a complete bankruptcy of the government. (It is already insolvent.) When they can no longer afford to run the prisons, they'll have to legalize.
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Posted by: johnthetreehugger on May 1, 2008 5:50 AM
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I believe pot to still illegal for three primary reasons:
1. Americans are political cowards - especially pot smokers. Americans have been trained to accept unjust authority and pot smokers have been trained to fear and hide from that same authority.
I'm sick of hearing medical or other lame rationales for legalizing pot. It should be legal because NO MAN OR GOV'T OR OTHER INSITUTION HAS ANY RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN PUT IN MY BODY IN THE PRIVACY OF MY HOME (and especially if its natural and causes mellowness not violence)
This is the land of the free. No true free human being should tolerate the oppression that comes with pot laws (not to mention a host of other regulations that are anti-freedom).
2. The DEA, the FBI and all state and local law enforcement agencies and court apparatuses are making waaaay too much money (on the books and off) by keeping pot illegal. These authoritarian scum could care less if pot is safer than booze. They just don't want to lose a very lucrative source of funding. A good example is the fact that the DEA leans on Farm Bureau types whenever the issue of agricultural hemp comes to the fore and gets them to stop supporting it.
3. related to number one: We put up with too much enforced morality and let it infringe upon our freedom. Sorry, but your religion does not give you the right to tell me what I can put in my body. Especially if i don't share your religion.
then there are the hypocrites - you know, the legions of Republicans, Democrats, law and order types, Christians, business majors, ex-military personal, cops, lawyers, doctors, professors and other mostly normal American middle class professionals who are happy to toke once in a while, or even maintain mild or serious habits, but will deny it and hide it and NEVER, NEVER, stand up for legalization 'cause they are political cowards and/or authoritarians or they just don't care 'cause they'll never get caught and if they do, they can afford attorneys to make the possession charge go away.
So, until we, as a people, decide that we won't give blind obedience to entrenched bureaucracy, corrupt law enforcement, stupid morals and other infringements on our American and Human rights, pot will remain illegal and authoritarian scum will keep pushing us all around and continue to erode what's left of our liberty.
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Posted by: harryf200 on May 1, 2008 5:58 AM
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But I have yet to see anything written here by someone who knows more than laymen! Is there no one out there who will give an expert opinion, based on their own research? Please experts, tell us: Is the old style pot harmful or not? What about Skunk Weed? Is that harmless or can it cause loss of brain function and even mental illness as some researchers appear to claim?
Where are the real experts?
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Posted by: kelethian on May 1, 2008 5:54 AM
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Posted by: Bushmaster on May 1, 2008 5:59 AM
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I do not do it anymore on a daily basis.
However every so often I like it, it helps with creativity, and it helps with insights into life, if taken every so often.
I'd like to see it legal.
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Posted by: personalpolitical on May 1, 2008 6:01 AM
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Give me a goddamn break, get a life people.
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Posted by: jeffersonian on May 1, 2008 7:18 AM
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Instead, we borrow money from China with no means to pay it back. We as a society are really stupid.
Yes, lots of successful people have used and do use marijuana. Very few are like Cheech and Chong. Just as very few people who drink alcohol are falling-down drunks.
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Jesus, this is a ridiculous article.
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Posted by: picket on May 1, 2008 8:02 AM
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The Politics of Prohibition...Don Boudreaux
Alcohol vs Cannabis Prohibition
The politics during 1920's when "THEY" tried to force everyone to give up drinking, Americans kept drinking, violence increased and there was NO sympathy by the Politicians to end Prohibition. Then... the Great Depression and Congress was desperate for tax revenues. So it ended.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 1, 2008 8:37 AM
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Why are we denying people food and running up the price of food due to feed stocks and grain availability when we could be converting vehicles to run on Hemp..!
Why are we not using Hemp for more and more products such as newspapers which is a process that pollutes our water..?
Bush wants to give Mexico these huge amounts of money to fight their drug problem, when if we legalized the cultivation and possession and distribution of Marijuana to adults with regulation and some taxation even we could deny these criminal gangs and elements from what is maybe 40% of their income and market..!
The stalks of the Marijuana can also be used to create a cellulose based fuel..
I saw the Mercedes station wagon that drove across American and a VW Van which ran on Hemp..the VW had I believe been driven down from Canada..
Also the now best most expensive but long lasting best sounding guitar speakers Tone Tubby are made of Hemp..!
The entire Marijuana laws must be re-considered it has largely been a hold over of Richard Nixon's culture war from the late 60's..!
Nixon turned an entire generation of America's who were more honest decent and intelligent than him into a generation of criminals and used this to deny them access to the political process for decades..so as to corrupt our system with these criminal fascist thieving war monger insane Republicans who Clinton and Obama want to get in bed with and make nice with rather than driving them out of our government and save our nation from the ruin we are heading head long for a full speed ahead..!
Ahead get it..?
Of course Barney Frank has submitted a bill to finally legalize possession of small amounts of Marijuana which was co sponsored by my Congressman who is almost always right of every issue Maurice Hinchey..among others..
Instead of Ethanol grow Marijuana and use it for cellulose fuel and for the hemp itself..!
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Me thinks he's been smoking too much Mary Jane. Otherwise, his articles would address something that wasn't old news.
Enough already!
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Posted by: vangogh69 on May 1, 2008 9:22 AM
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Just as we do today with prohibition, the day will come when we look back in disbelief at the prohibition on marijuana.
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Posted by: cbishopp on May 1, 2008 9:39 AM
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The issue to consider is the much more inclusive concept of how much power the government has in your personal lives.
Should this be a state issue? Should someone who has cancer who finds relief from headache and loss of appetite by smoking pot be placed in the same catagory with a felon?
The war against drugs is just another wonderful way to make money on both sides.
What happens to the all money and drugs confiscated from drug busts?
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Posted by: frankly1 on May 1, 2008 10:37 AM
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The reason marajuana is illegal is simple politcal control. Hoover told Nixon that if he wanted to control and pesecute his political enemies (liberals) illegal drugs would be an excellent method as a good proportion used or favored legalization of recreational drugs. Race was one of the original "hot Buttons" used to pass anti-drug laws in the early part of the 20th century to remove mexican immigrants during the depression and to suppress black Americans. In other words an easy way to arrest and incarcerate those who politically oppose you.
Today millions of Americans are or have been imprisoned stripprd of thier rights and have had thier lives ruined.
The canabis plant has enormous potential as an agricultual product (hemp oil, fiber etc.) as well as its health benifits. Unfortunatly I can see no real possibilty (short of the colapse of the corpoate industial complex) that this state of affairs will change any time soon.
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Posted by: PaulK on May 1, 2008 11:19 AM
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I later left that church.
Pot will never be decriminalized because anyone who advocates saving the government's money will certainly lose their own job. It's a racket like the emperor's new clothes.
Perhaps we need a group called Taxpayers Anonymous.
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Cannabis needs to be legalized and taken off the blackmarket. Here are some links to show where I got my info, http://www.cannabisireland.net/ and http://content.nejm.org/cgi/reprint/358/15/1641.pdf , also, http://ukcia.org/wordpress/?p=6
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Posted by: richholland on May 1, 2008 11:39 AM
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However the Dutch Nederwiet has a strength of 3 times the average foreign qualities.
Some politicians here investigate wether the strongh quality probably is a hard drug.
I am an advocate of allowing marihuana legally, but do not deny the following.
Strong blowing for hours CAN be a trigger mechanisme for some schizofrenic people.
In mean time this is proven.
The medical expression is "cannabis psychose"
Particui;y of you combine strong drinking of alcohol.
That is the reason in the so called coffeeshop alcohol and weed are not allowed.
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Where would pharmaceutical companies be if people could grow their own painkiller/depression treatment/happy pill/cure for the 'jimmy legs.'
Big Pharma will never allow lawmakers to legalize pot.
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We live in a society ruled by fear, where people are willing to accept having the Bill of Rights shredded in the name of fighting drugs or "terrorism."
Only a moronic population would be swayed by moronic symbols. And only the ignorant would live in fear inspired by the propaganda to which we are subject day and night.
But we are not all ignorant morons. Let's see what November brings.
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http://cannabistv.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/drug-war-funds-
Could we possibly spend our tax money wore wisely?
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...That goes for cigarette smokers too!
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Itll come back to them three times, i think, when i put 3 bullets through their skulls. Thats unfortunately the way things are, read your history. Humans are evil, base, vile creatures, who cannot love or forgive, only kill and oppress.
Only Pini's elves, perhaps, could live by the tenets of Wicca.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on May 1, 2008 4:27 PM
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Marijuana is a gift from god/God/Goddess to my brothers and me.
The assumed authority to regulate a plant that grows freely in the ground and has proven itself to be a panacea for a variety of ills and complaints is a travesty and a pox on a society of humans who deserve the right to regulate how they will live their lives.
The criminalization of this natural "herb" (NOT "DRUG") is merely an organized effort to restrict individuals from deciding the course of their own lives...
I don't see anyone complaining about how a substantial proportion of the populace operates under the influence of caffeine while incessantly talking on cell phones...
The "powers that be" have decided that they are in control of our lives.
Just say "NO!"
This legislation has nothing whatsoever to do with the "good for all" and only to do with the powers that be and their extent of control over the lives of the "unwashed masses".
Get up. Stand up. Stand up for your rights.
To live life as you choose. As long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's right to do the same.
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AlterNet, I wish you guys would live up to that promise.
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I've often wondered by Americans don't kick their hypocritical government in the ass, when there is reams of proof that the CIA is running the cocaine drug trade. How can they lock up citizens for mere pot use? Especially when it's costing millions of taxpayer dollars? Get wise America, don't get dumb and dumber! You need some good rat poison in Washington!
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boats, etc.) as a result of marijuana convictions
2. Supplying inmates for the Prison Industrial Complex, an economy unto itself
3. Stopping people from growing and producing their own psychotropic drug, instead of making Big Pharma rich
As always, it's all about the money!
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Posted by: drblack on May 2, 2008 12:45 PM
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All drugs should be freely and cheaply available.
This includes ALL drugs.
Violence, theft and corruption will drop off when this happens and drug abuse will become less destructive , while drug use will not increase .
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But mental health campaigners do have concerns.
The charity Rethink says a review of research published in The Lancet last year found frequent cannabis use increased the risk of psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia by 40%.
Studies have also suggested that using the drug can trigger psychotic symptoms such as hallucinations and feeling out of touch with surroundings in some people.
However it is unclear whether these symptoms are short-lived, or if they persist even when use of the drug is stopped.
Mental health charity Mind has reported psychiatrists have seen an increase in numbers of people being hospitalised with psychotic episodes linked to cannabis use since the drug was downgraded.
Many experts believe that use of the drug can worsen symptoms in someone who already has schizophrenia, or manic depression associated with psychotic symptoms.
There is also a body of evidence beginning to emerge that long-term use of cannabis in early teenage years puts an individual most at risk.
But sceptics say those who are affected have already demonstrated a predisposition to problems.
A British Medical Journal study in 2004 concluded that while cannabis use moderately increased the risk of psychotic symptoms in young people, it had a much stronger effect in those who had already had mental health-related problems.
In November 2005, Glasgow and Edinburgh University researchers found damage to a certain brain gene was the key to determining risk of developing serious mental health problems.
The finding prompted experts to say mental health problems were "too complex" to be put down to one factor, either environmental or genetic....
....There is some suggestion that modern formulations are stronger. In the 1960s the average cannabis "joint" contained about 10mg of THC.
Hybrid varieties of cannabis - including a type known as skunk - are known to contain higher than usual levels of THC.
These are produced by intensive indoor cultivation are, on average, around twice as potent as the herbal cannabis and cannabis resin available 20 or more years ago.
Researchers are therefore concerned that much of the research into the effect of the drug may be out of date. "
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4583648.stm
I make no comment. Just thought SOME of you might find it interesting, although I know already many of you won't because youjust like to attack "the messenger" esp when you don't like the message.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on May 2, 2008 5:12 PM
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it must end!
we consumers are directly funding through our weaknesses and addictions
the weapons that are directly killing our sons and daughters overseas!
Current policies are not, and never have worked!
changes are URGENTLY needed
Drugs for guns: how the Afghan heroin trade is fueling the Taliban insurgency
Heroin trafficking is small potatoes compared to the hemp trade but worldwide, enough capital can be raised to logistically support a guerrilla movement inside a fund-a-mental-ist back-country easily!
Now, imagine the capitol thats being raised everyday through Black Market Hemp sales!... and imagine the capital thats being misdirected on this alone!
People must organize to end these obscene laws,
which federally legislates laws, "OVER" your States Rights!
To enforce "IT's"nationalistic policies/ideologies over "YOUR" body and soul!
Make a simple commitment!
and post this note everywhere to remind us all!...
..."If those of us who currently smoke would take the pledge that we will never again vote for any candidate for public office who supports treating us like criminals, we could end prohibition within a couple of election cycles," says Stroup...
and organize politically!
and always remember...
"KEEP YOUR LAWS OF MY BODY"
as "ONE MANS VISION OF HEAVEN CAN BE MY VISION OF HELL"
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California passed Prop. 215 in 1996 which legalized medical marijuana. The only requirement is that you go to the doctor to get a recommendation. That costs about $100 and no adult gets turned down. Literally any adult who asks is granted a recommendation. By now, the number of people with recommendations is probably close to a million.
Furthermore, there are now literally hundreds of stores openly selling marijuana to these people. They have regular storefronts in strip malls and other similar places. They advertise marijuana specials in the newspaper. Some have neon signs in the window. They may have dozens of varieties of marijuana onhand, as well as candies, brownies, and edibles of all descriptions. Some of them have done $50 million in business from a single location in a single year.
The Feds have basically given up. The US Attorney for Northern California has said that trying to stop it is "shoveling sand against the tide" and that they have better things to do. The DEA still raids places occasionally, but it is mainly smash and grab to steal everything they can, with no follow-up prosecution. They know that just the existing stores are far beyond their meager resources to shut down. That is not to count the delivery services.
And the bigger news is that everyone in California is completely OK with it. There are no marches in the street to get it repealed. The secret here is that the people don't really support marijuana prohibition. They support the status quo -- as long as the status quo is not bothering them. Marijuana prohibition wasn't bothering them, so why not leave it in place? Marijuana legalization isn't bothering them, so there is no move to get it repealed.
The Feds have lost the war on medical marijuana in California. That means they have lost the war on marijuana in California. If they have lost the war on marijuana in California, then ultimately they have lost it nationwide.
For one thing, the California experience proves that the sky doesn't fall when marijuana is legalized. For another, there is the economics. California now stands poised to replace Mexico as the major supplier of marijuana to the rest of the country. That will not go unnoticed. People, and particularly governments, are going to realize that they could cut costs and boost tax revenue if they would simply recognize the obvious.
At this point, all it will take is gravity, and I don't think it is going to take that long, either.
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Marijuana Weight and Criminal and Tax Law
CO2 for Free
Proposed Medical Marijuana Bill for North Carolina
THC - Anandamide and Human Health
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Marijuana Weight and Criminal and Tax Law
CO2 for Free
Proposed Medical Marijuana Bill for North Carolina
THC - Anandamide and Human Health
Marijuana Policy Project
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Posted by: kelethian on May 3, 2008 12:18 PM
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If anything, the grass was better back then! Those lies, straight from the US Gov't ONDCP and DEA, are based on samples that have decayed significantly.
As for the supposed link between cannabis and psychosis, if you believe that.. why, im sure you would think that Reefer Madness is a factual documentary.
Im sure there is one link though, and you can completely avoid it by drinking that invention we call soda. Its called...cottonmouth.
Let me explain. Has anyone around here heard of polydipsomania? Its really the primary cause of most cases of schizophrenia, along with a profound lack of sodium.
Im sure if you connect the dots, you will find that many of the people who do experience these problems (supposedly from cannabis) drank tons of water and ate vegan diets, avoiding anything as "unhealthy" as soda.
Im saying this because it nearly happened to ME, and i nearly DIED. (cardiac arrest) Be forewarned and toke safe.
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Pot, and other legalization proponents, need to show policy makers and their supporters that drug law reform is good for crime reduction. H.B. 5843 is a good first step in allowing crime plagued cities to re-task officers from pot enforcement to real and violent crime prevention. See: Real solutions for Philadelphia's prison overcrowding for a way to approach politicians and the media. I have written to Philadelphia City Council advocating that they support H.B. 5843 as a means of freeing up police and prison resources for serious crime.
Laws are made for the self-interests of the people who support the particular laws. Drug policy reformers need to work harder to show how it is NOT in the best public safety and national security interest of Americans to continue the prohibition.
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~Please fix this article Alternet.
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It is also liable to make you go completely paranoid such that you think Ozzy Osbourne is not the devil but the Messiah.
I reckon all these lunatics in control are stoned out of their heads on something - and cannabis was probably the gateway drug - so the politicians should be banned
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subject...where's AlterNet...hello...you there?
Can you tell me where you last put this article? Sure would like to read it.
Did u forget? Hellooo? Anybody home?
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Could this be the answer? I am passing this on to you because it definitely worked for me and we all could use more calm in our lives.
By following the simple advice I heard on a Medical TV show, I have finally found inner peace.
A Doctor proclaimed the way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you have started.
So I looked around my house to see things I started and hadn't finished and, before leaving the house this morning I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Shhhardonay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of vocka, a pockage of Prunglies, tha mainder of bot Prozic and Valum scriptins, the res of the Chesescke an a box a chocolets.
Yu haf no idr who fukin gud I fel.
Peas sen dis orn to dem yu fee ar in ned ov inr pece.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 1, 2008 5:05 AM
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Add to that the Profits from this ridiculous 'War on Drugs'. Not that we couldn't use such law enforcement to actually be part of real Homeland Security!
Well you Go Barney & Dennis!
And if teh actually accomplish stealing this Dem nomination FOR Hillary- I'll vote for Paul. Actually may consider it anyway- I am sick of these two antiquated parties running our Country in the Ground- Corp covert Operatives working as 'Public Servants' - Inc Whores fully indoctrinated into the Cheney & Co Agenda.
Hang in there Ron- we Might just get the chance to see these Criminals eat Crap in Nov!
I'm certainly open to REAL Change!And No Longer Loyal to a party who has screwed US for Decades, camoflagued in Blue.
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And to answer the question of when pot will be legalized.... probably when Ron Paul wins the presidency. (So, yeah, basically never.) There will have to be an economic collapse followed by a complete bankruptcy of the government. (It is already insolvent.) When they can no longer afford to run the prisons, they'll have to legalize.
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Posted by: johnthetreehugger on May 1, 2008 5:50 AM
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I believe pot to still illegal for three primary reasons:
1. Americans are political cowards - especially pot smokers. Americans have been trained to accept unjust authority and pot smokers have been trained to fear and hide from that same authority.
I'm sick of hearing medical or other lame rationales for legalizing pot. It should be legal because NO MAN OR GOV'T OR OTHER INSITUTION HAS ANY RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN PUT IN MY BODY IN THE PRIVACY OF MY HOME (and especially if its natural and causes mellowness not violence)
This is the land of the free. No true free human being should tolerate the oppression that comes with pot laws (not to mention a host of other regulations that are anti-freedom).
2. The DEA, the FBI and all state and local law enforcement agencies and court apparatuses are making waaaay too much money (on the books and off) by keeping pot illegal. These authoritarian scum could care less if pot is safer than booze. They just don't want to lose a very lucrative source of funding. A good example is the fact that the DEA leans on Farm Bureau types whenever the issue of agricultural hemp comes to the fore and gets them to stop supporting it.
3. related to number one: We put up with too much enforced morality and let it infringe upon our freedom. Sorry, but your religion does not give you the right to tell me what I can put in my body. Especially if i don't share your religion.
then there are the hypocrites - you know, the legions of Republicans, Democrats, law and order types, Christians, business majors, ex-military personal, cops, lawyers, doctors, professors and other mostly normal American middle class professionals who are happy to toke once in a while, or even maintain mild or serious habits, but will deny it and hide it and NEVER, NEVER, stand up for legalization 'cause they are political cowards and/or authoritarians or they just don't care 'cause they'll never get caught and if they do, they can afford attorneys to make the possession charge go away.
So, until we, as a people, decide that we won't give blind obedience to entrenched bureaucracy, corrupt law enforcement, stupid morals and other infringements on our American and Human rights, pot will remain illegal and authoritarian scum will keep pushing us all around and continue to erode what's left of our liberty.
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But I have yet to see anything written here by someone who knows more than laymen! Is there no one out there who will give an expert opinion, based on their own research? Please experts, tell us: Is the old style pot harmful or not? What about Skunk Weed? Is that harmless or can it cause loss of brain function and even mental illness as some researchers appear to claim?
Where are the real experts?
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I do not do it anymore on a daily basis.
However every so often I like it, it helps with creativity, and it helps with insights into life, if taken every so often.
I'd like to see it legal.
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Give me a goddamn break, get a life people.
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Instead, we borrow money from China with no means to pay it back. We as a society are really stupid.
Yes, lots of successful people have used and do use marijuana. Very few are like Cheech and Chong. Just as very few people who drink alcohol are falling-down drunks.
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Posted by: xxdr_zombiexx on May 1, 2008 8:00 AM
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Jesus, this is a ridiculous article.
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Posted by: picket on May 1, 2008 8:02 AM
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The Politics of Prohibition...Don Boudreaux
Alcohol vs Cannabis Prohibition
The politics during 1920's when "THEY" tried to force everyone to give up drinking, Americans kept drinking, violence increased and there was NO sympathy by the Politicians to end Prohibition. Then... the Great Depression and Congress was desperate for tax revenues. So it ended.
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Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 1, 2008 8:37 AM
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Why are we denying people food and running up the price of food due to feed stocks and grain availability when we could be converting vehicles to run on Hemp..!
Why are we not using Hemp for more and more products such as newspapers which is a process that pollutes our water..?
Bush wants to give Mexico these huge amounts of money to fight their drug problem, when if we legalized the cultivation and possession and distribution of Marijuana to adults with regulation and some taxation even we could deny these criminal gangs and elements from what is maybe 40% of their income and market..!
The stalks of the Marijuana can also be used to create a cellulose based fuel..
I saw the Mercedes station wagon that drove across American and a VW Van which ran on Hemp..the VW had I believe been driven down from Canada..
Also the now best most expensive but long lasting best sounding guitar speakers Tone Tubby are made of Hemp..!
The entire Marijuana laws must be re-considered it has largely been a hold over of Richard Nixon's culture war from the late 60's..!
Nixon turned an entire generation of America's who were more honest decent and intelligent than him into a generation of criminals and used this to deny them access to the political process for decades..so as to corrupt our system with these criminal fascist thieving war monger insane Republicans who Clinton and Obama want to get in bed with and make nice with rather than driving them out of our government and save our nation from the ruin we are heading head long for a full speed ahead..!
Ahead get it..?
Of course Barney Frank has submitted a bill to finally legalize possession of small amounts of Marijuana which was co sponsored by my Congressman who is almost always right of every issue Maurice Hinchey..among others..
Instead of Ethanol grow Marijuana and use it for cellulose fuel and for the hemp itself..!
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Posted by: HughScott on May 1, 2008 8:44 AM
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Me thinks he's been smoking too much Mary Jane. Otherwise, his articles would address something that wasn't old news.
Enough already!
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Posted by: vangogh69 on May 1, 2008 9:22 AM
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Just as we do today with prohibition, the day will come when we look back in disbelief at the prohibition on marijuana.
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Posted by: cbishopp on May 1, 2008 9:39 AM
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The issue to consider is the much more inclusive concept of how much power the government has in your personal lives.
Should this be a state issue? Should someone who has cancer who finds relief from headache and loss of appetite by smoking pot be placed in the same catagory with a felon?
The war against drugs is just another wonderful way to make money on both sides.
What happens to the all money and drugs confiscated from drug busts?
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Posted by: frankly1 on May 1, 2008 10:37 AM
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The reason marajuana is illegal is simple politcal control. Hoover told Nixon that if he wanted to control and pesecute his political enemies (liberals) illegal drugs would be an excellent method as a good proportion used or favored legalization of recreational drugs. Race was one of the original "hot Buttons" used to pass anti-drug laws in the early part of the 20th century to remove mexican immigrants during the depression and to suppress black Americans. In other words an easy way to arrest and incarcerate those who politically oppose you.
Today millions of Americans are or have been imprisoned stripprd of thier rights and have had thier lives ruined.
The canabis plant has enormous potential as an agricultual product (hemp oil, fiber etc.) as well as its health benifits. Unfortunatly I can see no real possibilty (short of the colapse of the corpoate industial complex) that this state of affairs will change any time soon.
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Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 1, 2008 10:50 AM
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Posted by: PaulK on May 1, 2008 11:19 AM
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I later left that church.
Pot will never be decriminalized because anyone who advocates saving the government's money will certainly lose their own job. It's a racket like the emperor's new clothes.
Perhaps we need a group called Taxpayers Anonymous.
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Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 11:26 AM
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Posted by: aonghus36 on May 1, 2008 11:40 AM
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Cannabis needs to be legalized and taken off the blackmarket. Here are some links to show where I got my info, http://www.cannabisireland.net/ and http://content.nejm.org/cgi/reprint/358/15/1641.pdf , also, http://ukcia.org/wordpress/?p=6
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Posted by: richholland on May 1, 2008 11:39 AM
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However the Dutch Nederwiet has a strength of 3 times the average foreign qualities.
Some politicians here investigate wether the strongh quality probably is a hard drug.
I am an advocate of allowing marihuana legally, but do not deny the following.
Strong blowing for hours CAN be a trigger mechanisme for some schizofrenic people.
In mean time this is proven.
The medical expression is "cannabis psychose"
Particui;y of you combine strong drinking of alcohol.
That is the reason in the so called coffeeshop alcohol and weed are not allowed.
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Posted by: scheherezade on May 1, 2008 12:34 PM
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Where would pharmaceutical companies be if people could grow their own painkiller/depression treatment/happy pill/cure for the 'jimmy legs.'
Big Pharma will never allow lawmakers to legalize pot.
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Posted by: ChairmanMetal on May 1, 2008 12:47 PM
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We live in a society ruled by fear, where people are willing to accept having the Bill of Rights shredded in the name of fighting drugs or "terrorism."
Only a moronic population would be swayed by moronic symbols. And only the ignorant would live in fear inspired by the propaganda to which we are subject day and night.
But we are not all ignorant morons. Let's see what November brings.
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Posted by: Mingo on May 1, 2008 1:00 PM
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http://cannabistv.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/drug-war-funds-
Could we possibly spend our tax money wore wisely?
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...That goes for cigarette smokers too!
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Posted by: kelethian on May 1, 2008 3:41 PM
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Itll come back to them three times, i think, when i put 3 bullets through their skulls. Thats unfortunately the way things are, read your history. Humans are evil, base, vile creatures, who cannot love or forgive, only kill and oppress.
Only Pini's elves, perhaps, could live by the tenets of Wicca.
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Posted by: 2dogarage on May 1, 2008 4:27 PM
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Marijuana is a gift from god/God/Goddess to my brothers and me.
The assumed authority to regulate a plant that grows freely in the ground and has proven itself to be a panacea for a variety of ills and complaints is a travesty and a pox on a society of humans who deserve the right to regulate how they will live their lives.
The criminalization of this natural "herb" (NOT "DRUG") is merely an organized effort to restrict individuals from deciding the course of their own lives...
I don't see anyone complaining about how a substantial proportion of the populace operates under the influence of caffeine while incessantly talking on cell phones...
The "powers that be" have decided that they are in control of our lives.
Just say "NO!"
This legislation has nothing whatsoever to do with the "good for all" and only to do with the powers that be and their extent of control over the lives of the "unwashed masses".
Get up. Stand up. Stand up for your rights.
To live life as you choose. As long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's right to do the same.
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AlterNet, I wish you guys would live up to that promise.
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Posted by: celeborn on May 2, 2008 2:31 AM
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I've often wondered by Americans don't kick their hypocritical government in the ass, when there is reams of proof that the CIA is running the cocaine drug trade. How can they lock up citizens for mere pot use? Especially when it's costing millions of taxpayer dollars? Get wise America, don't get dumb and dumber! You need some good rat poison in Washington!
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Posted by: rdog on May 2, 2008 7:39 AM
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boats, etc.) as a result of marijuana convictions
2. Supplying inmates for the Prison Industrial Complex, an economy unto itself
3. Stopping people from growing and producing their own psychotropic drug, instead of making Big Pharma rich
As always, it's all about the money!
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Posted by: drblack on May 2, 2008 12:45 PM
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All drugs should be freely and cheaply available.
This includes ALL drugs.
Violence, theft and corruption will drop off when this happens and drug abuse will become less destructive , while drug use will not increase .
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But mental health campaigners do have concerns.
The charity Rethink says a review of research published in The Lancet last year found frequent cannabis use increased the risk of psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia by 40%.
Studies have also suggested that using the drug can trigger psychotic symptoms such as hallucinations and feeling out of touch with surroundings in some people.
However it is unclear whether these symptoms are short-lived, or if they persist even when use of the drug is stopped.
Mental health charity Mind has reported psychiatrists have seen an increase in numbers of people being hospitalised with psychotic episodes linked to cannabis use since the drug was downgraded.
Many experts believe that use of the drug can worsen symptoms in someone who already has schizophrenia, or manic depression associated with psychotic symptoms.
There is also a body of evidence beginning to emerge that long-term use of cannabis in early teenage years puts an individual most at risk.
But sceptics say those who are affected have already demonstrated a predisposition to problems.
A British Medical Journal study in 2004 concluded that while cannabis use moderately increased the risk of psychotic symptoms in young people, it had a much stronger effect in those who had already had mental health-related problems.
In November 2005, Glasgow and Edinburgh University researchers found damage to a certain brain gene was the key to determining risk of developing serious mental health problems.
The finding prompted experts to say mental health problems were "too complex" to be put down to one factor, either environmental or genetic....
....There is some suggestion that modern formulations are stronger. In the 1960s the average cannabis "joint" contained about 10mg of THC.
Hybrid varieties of cannabis - including a type known as skunk - are known to contain higher than usual levels of THC.
These are produced by intensive indoor cultivation are, on average, around twice as potent as the herbal cannabis and cannabis resin available 20 or more years ago.
Researchers are therefore concerned that much of the research into the effect of the drug may be out of date. "
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4583648.stm
I make no comment. Just thought SOME of you might find it interesting, although I know already many of you won't because youjust like to attack "the messenger" esp when you don't like the message.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on May 2, 2008 5:12 PM
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it must end!
we consumers are directly funding through our weaknesses and addictions
the weapons that are directly killing our sons and daughters overseas!
Current policies are not, and never have worked!
changes are URGENTLY needed
Drugs for guns: how the Afghan heroin trade is fueling the Taliban insurgency
Heroin trafficking is small potatoes compared to the hemp trade but worldwide, enough capital can be raised to logistically support a guerrilla movement inside a fund-a-mental-ist back-country easily!
Now, imagine the capitol thats being raised everyday through Black Market Hemp sales!... and imagine the capital thats being misdirected on this alone!
People must organize to end these obscene laws,
which federally legislates laws, "OVER" your States Rights!
To enforce "IT's"nationalistic policies/ideologies over "YOUR" body and soul!
Make a simple commitment!
and post this note everywhere to remind us all!...
..."If those of us who currently smoke would take the pledge that we will never again vote for any candidate for public office who supports treating us like criminals, we could end prohibition within a couple of election cycles," says Stroup...
and organize politically!
and always remember...
"KEEP YOUR LAWS OF MY BODY"
as "ONE MANS VISION OF HEAVEN CAN BE MY VISION OF HELL"
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Posted by: CliffSchaffer on May 3, 2008 7:28 AM
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California passed Prop. 215 in 1996 which legalized medical marijuana. The only requirement is that you go to the doctor to get a recommendation. That costs about $100 and no adult gets turned down. Literally any adult who asks is granted a recommendation. By now, the number of people with recommendations is probably close to a million.
Furthermore, there are now literally hundreds of stores openly selling marijuana to these people. They have regular storefronts in strip malls and other similar places. They advertise marijuana specials in the newspaper. Some have neon signs in the window. They may have dozens of varieties of marijuana onhand, as well as candies, brownies, and edibles of all descriptions. Some of them have done $50 million in business from a single location in a single year.
The Feds have basically given up. The US Attorney for Northern California has said that trying to stop it is "shoveling sand against the tide" and that they have better things to do. The DEA still raids places occasionally, but it is mainly smash and grab to steal everything they can, with no follow-up prosecution. They know that just the existing stores are far beyond their meager resources to shut down. That is not to count the delivery services.
And the bigger news is that everyone in California is completely OK with it. There are no marches in the street to get it repealed. The secret here is that the people don't really support marijuana prohibition. They support the status quo -- as long as the status quo is not bothering them. Marijuana prohibition wasn't bothering them, so why not leave it in place? Marijuana legalization isn't bothering them, so there is no move to get it repealed.
The Feds have lost the war on medical marijuana in California. That means they have lost the war on marijuana in California. If they have lost the war on marijuana in California, then ultimately they have lost it nationwide.
For one thing, the California experience proves that the sky doesn't fall when marijuana is legalized. For another, there is the economics. California now stands poised to replace Mexico as the major supplier of marijuana to the rest of the country. That will not go unnoticed. People, and particularly governments, are going to realize that they could cut costs and boost tax revenue if they would simply recognize the obvious.
At this point, all it will take is gravity, and I don't think it is going to take that long, either.
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Marijuana Weight and Criminal and Tax Law
CO2 for Free
Proposed Medical Marijuana Bill for North Carolina
THC - Anandamide and Human Health
Marijuana Policy Project
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Marijuana Weight and Criminal and Tax Law
CO2 for Free
Proposed Medical Marijuana Bill for North Carolina
THC - Anandamide and Human Health
Marijuana Policy Project
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Posted by: kelethian on May 3, 2008 12:18 PM
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If anything, the grass was better back then! Those lies, straight from the US Gov't ONDCP and DEA, are based on samples that have decayed significantly.
As for the supposed link between cannabis and psychosis, if you believe that.. why, im sure you would think that Reefer Madness is a factual documentary.
Im sure there is one link though, and you can completely avoid it by drinking that invention we call soda. Its called...cottonmouth.
Let me explain. Has anyone around here heard of polydipsomania? Its really the primary cause of most cases of schizophrenia, along with a profound lack of sodium.
Im sure if you connect the dots, you will find that many of the people who do experience these problems (supposedly from cannabis) drank tons of water and ate vegan diets, avoiding anything as "unhealthy" as soda.
Im saying this because it nearly happened to ME, and i nearly DIED. (cardiac arrest) Be forewarned and toke safe.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 4, 2008 10:54 AM
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Pot, and other legalization proponents, need to show policy makers and their supporters that drug law reform is good for crime reduction. H.B. 5843 is a good first step in allowing crime plagued cities to re-task officers from pot enforcement to real and violent crime prevention. See: Real solutions for Philadelphia's prison overcrowding for a way to approach politicians and the media. I have written to Philadelphia City Council advocating that they support H.B. 5843 as a means of freeing up police and prison resources for serious crime.
Laws are made for the self-interests of the people who support the particular laws. Drug policy reformers need to work harder to show how it is NOT in the best public safety and national security interest of Americans to continue the prohibition.
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Posted by: macdon1 on May 5, 2008 7:07 PM
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