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Debunking the Hemp Conspiracy Theory
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You could make a stronger case for Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone assassin of John F. Kennedy; Oswald at least left a not-quite-smoking gun at the scene.
Pot activist Jack Herer's book The Emperor Wears No Clothes is the prime source for the hemp-conspiracy theory. It alleges that in the mid-1930s, "when the new mechanical hemp fiber stripping machines to conserve hemp's high-cellulose pulp finally became state of the art, available and affordable," Hearst, with enormous holdings in timber acreage and investments in paper manufacturing, "stood to lose billions of dollars and perhaps go bankrupt." Meanwhile, DuPont in 1937 had just patented nylon and "a new sulfate/sulfite process for making paper from wood pulp" -- so "if hemp had not been made illegal, 80 percent of DuPont's business would never have materialized."
Herer, a somewhat cantankerous former marijuana-pipe salesman, deserves a lot of credit for his cannabis activism. He was a dedicated grass-roots agitator for pot legalization during the late 1980s, perhaps the most herb-hostile time in recent history. Despite a substantial stroke in 2001, he soldiers on; he's currently campaigning to get a cannabis-legalization initiative on the ballot in Santa Barbara, California. The Emperor -- an omnivorous conglomeration of newspaper clippings and historical documents about hemp and marijuana, held together by Herer's cannabis evangelism and fiery screeds against prohibition -- has been a bible for many pot activists. Unearthing a 1916 Department of Agriculture bulletin about hemp paper and a World War II short film that exhorted American farmers to grow "Hemp for Victory," Herer more than anyone else revived the idea that the cannabis plant was useful for purposes besides getting high. Unfortunately, he's completely wrong on this particular issue. The evidence for a "hemp conspiracy" just doesn't stand up. It is far more likely that marijuana was outlawed because of racism and cultural warfare.
How marijuana was prohibited
Twentieth-century cannabis prohibition first reared its head in countries where white minorities ruled black majorities: South Africa, where it's known as dagga, banned it in 1911, and Jamaica, then a British colony, outlawed ganja in 1913. They were followed by Canada, Britain and New Zealand, which added cannabis to their lists of illegal narcotics in the 1920s. Canada's pot law was enacted in 1923, several years before there were any reports of people actually smoking it there. It was largely the brainchild of Emily F. Murphy, a feminist but racist judge who wrote anti-Asian, anti-marijuana rants under the pseudonym "Janey Canuck."
In the United States, marijuana prohibition began partly as a throw-in on laws restricting opiates and cocaine to prescription-only use, and partly in Southern and Western states and cities where blacks and Mexican immigrants were smoking it. Missouri outlawed opium and hashish dens in 1889, but did not actually prohibit cannabis until 1935. Massachusetts began restricting cannabis in its 1911 pharmacy law, and three other New England states followed in the next seven years.
California's 1913 narcotics law banned possession of cannabis preparations -- which California NORML head Dale Gieringer believes was a legal error, that the provision was intended to parallel those affecting opium, morphine and cocaine. The law was amended in 1915 to ban the sale of cannabis without a prescription. "Thus hemp pharmaceuticals remained technically legal to sell, but not possess, on prescription!" Gieringer wrote in The Origins of Cannabis Prohibition in California. "There are no grounds to believe that this prohibition was ever enforced, as hemp drugs continued to be prescribed in California for years to come." In 1928, the state began requiring hemp farmers to notify law enforcement about their crops.
New York City made cannabis prescription-only in 1914, part to pre-empt users of over-the-counter opium, morphine and cocaine medicines from switching to cannabis preparations, but with allusions to hashish use by Middle Eastern immigrants. In the West and Southwest, anti-Mexican sentiment quickly came into play. California's first marijuana arrests came in a Mexican neighborhood in Los Angeles in 1914, according to Gieringer, and the Los Angeles Times said "sinister legends of murder, suicide and disaster" surrounded the drug. The city of El Paso, Texas, outlawed reefer in 1915, two years after a Mexican thug, "allegedly crazed by habitual marijuana use," killed a cop. By the time Prohibition was repealed in 1933, 30 states had some form of pot law.
The campaign against cannabis heated up after Repeal. "I wish I could show you what a small marihuana cigaret can do to one of our degenerate Spanish-speaking residents," a Colorado newspaper editor wrote in 1936. "The fatal marihuana cigarette must be recognized as a DEADLY DRUG, and American children must be PROTECTED AGAINST IT," the Hearst newspapers editorialized.
Harry Anslinger, head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, headed the charge. "If the hideous monster Frankenstein came face to face with the monster marihuana, he would drop dead of fright," he thundered in 1937.
An ambitious racist (a 1934 memo described an informant as a "ginger-colored nigger") who had previously been federal assistant Prohibition commissioner, Anslinger railed against reefer in magazine articles like 1937's "Marihuana: Assassin of Youth." It featured gory stories like that of Victor Licata, a once "sane, rather quiet young man" from Tampa, Fla., who'd killed his family with an axe in 1933, after becoming "pitifully crazed" from smoking "muggles." (Actually, the Tampa police had tried to have Licata committed to a mental hospital before he started smoking pot.)
Anslinger's other theme was that white girls would be ruined once they'd experienced the lurid pleasures of having a black man's joint in their mouth. "Colored students at the Univ. of Minn. partying with female students (white) smoking and getting their sympathy with stories of racial persecution," he noted. "Result, pregnancy."
In 1937, after a very cursory debate, Congress enacted the Marihuana Tax Act, levying a prohibitive $100-an-ounce tax on cannabis. "I believe in some cases one cigarette might develop a homicidal mania," Anslinger testified in a hearing on the bill.
The case against the "hemp conspiracy"
The hemp-conspiracy theory blames that law on Hearst and DuPont's plot to suppress hemp paper and cloth. The theory is that the invention of a hemp processor known as the "decorticator" made it easier, faster and much more cost-effective to extract hemp fiber from the stalks. In February 1938, Popular Mechanics hailed hemp as the "New Billion Dollar Crop." In response, Hearst and DuPont, scared by the prospect of hemp's resurrection as a competitor for their products, schemed to eliminate the plant.
However, The Emperor makes only three specific claims to support that theory. One is the anti-marijuana propagandizing of the Hearst newspapers. Second, it claims that Anslinger's anti-pot crusade was on behalf of Pittsburgh banker Andrew Mellon, who supposedly was DuPont's "chief financial backer," lending the company the funds it needed to purchase General Motors in the 1920s. And finally, The Emperor argues that DuPont anticipated the Marihuana Tax Act in its 1937 annual report, which worried that the company's future was "clouded with uncertainties" -- specifically about "the extent to which the revenue-raising power of government may be converted into an instrument for forcing acceptance of sudden new ideas of industrial and social reorganization."
None of these claims stand up.
Claim 1: Hearst the propagandist
According to W.A. Swanberg's extensive biography Citizen Hearst, the Hearst chain was actually the nation's largest purchaser of newsprint -- and when the price rose from $40 a ton to over $50 in the late 1930s, he fell so deep in debt to Canadian paper producers and banks that he had to sell his prized art collection to avert foreclosure. "It therefore seems that it would have been in Hearst's interest to promote cheap hemp paper substitutes, had that been a viable alternative," Dale Gieringer wrote in his article, calling the hemp-conspiracy theory "fanciful" and a "myth."
In any case, the Hearst papers never needed hidden self-interest to trumpet fiendish menaces. The expression "yellow journalism" comes from Hearst's campaign for a war against Spain in 1898. And from the 1930s on, his papers were finding RED SUBVERSIVES and PINKO FELLOW-TRAVELERS under every bed. In 1935, a University of Chicago professor accused of being a Communist by the Hearst-owned Herald-Examiner told the Nation that the reporter covering him had admitted, "We do just what the Old Man orders. One week he orders a campaign against rats. The next week he orders a campaign against dope peddlers. Pretty soon he's going to campaign against college professors. It's all the bunk, but orders are orders."
Claim 2: The Anslinger-DuPont Connection
There was an Anslinger-Mellon connection. Anslinger was appointed to head the Bureau of Narcotics by Andrew Mellon, his wife's uncle, who was treasury secretary in the Herbert Hoover administration. However, it's unlikely that DuPont needed to borrow money to buy GM in the 1920s, as the company had done very well as the leading manufacturer of explosives for the Allied forces during World War I.
Historians find no evidence of a DuPont-Mellon connection either. "General Motors was historically associated with the Morgan group during that period," Mark Mizruchi, a professor of sociology and business administration at the University of Michigan, told me in an email interview in 2003. Sociologist G. William Domhoff of the University of California at Santa Cruz, author of Who Rules America?, concurred, saying it was safe to state there was no connection. And in the 440-page tome considered the definitive account of American banking and corporate finance during the Depression era, Mizruchi added, Japanese historian Tian Kang Go does not mention "even the smallest financial connection between DuPont and Mellon."
Claim 3: Dubious DuPont claims
The argument that DuPont's 1937 complaint about federal taxes had anything to do with hemp is an extremely dubious stretch. If the company had been talking about the government eliminating a competitor by levying a prohibitive tax, it wouldn't have been worrying about the uncertainty of foreseeing new federal imposts. It would have been celebrating its newly cleared path. Given the context of the times, it's almost certain that this statement was merely typical 1930s corporate-class whining about the New Deal's social programs and business regulations -- akin to current corporate-class complaints about government "social engineering."
Prohibition's racist history
The belief that marijuana prohibition came about because of the secret machinations of an economic cabal ignores the pattern of every drug-law crusade in American history. From the 19th-century campaigns against opium and alcohol to the crack panic of the 1980s, they have all been fueled by racism and cultural war, conflated with fear of crime and occasionally abetted by well-intentioned reform impulses. (The financial self-interest of the prison-industrial complex has been a more recent development.) The first drug-prohibition laws in the United States were opium bans aimed at Chinese immigrants. San Francisco outlawed opium in 1875, and the state of California followed six years later. In 1886, an Oregon judge ruled that the state's opium prohibition was constitutional even if it proceeded "more from a desire to vex and annoy the 'Heathen Chinee'… than to protect the people from the evil habit," notes Doris Marie Provine in Unequal Under Law: Race in the War on Drugs. In How the Other Half Lives, journalist Jacob Riis wrote of opium-addicted white prostitutes seduced by the "cruel cunning" of Chinese men.
The path to the 1914 federal narcotics law that limited cocaine and opioids to medical use -- and was almost immediately interpreted as prescribing narcotics to addicts -- was more complex. The main rationale was ending the over-the-counter sale of patent medicines such as heroin cough syrup, but there was a definite racist streak among advocates for controlling cocaine. "Cocaine is often the direct incentive to the crime of rape by the Negroes," Hamilton Wright, the hard-drinking doctor-turned-diplomat who spearheaded the first major multinational drug-control agreements, told Congress. In 1914, Dr. Edward Huntington Williams opined in the New York Times Magazine that "once the negro has formed the habit, he is irreclaimable. The only method to keep him from taking the drug is by imprisoning him."
The movement to prohibit alcohol was part puritanical, part racist. In the big cities, it was anti-immigrant. Bishop James Cannon of the Anti-Saloon League in 1928 denounced Italians, Poles and Russian Jews as "the kind of dirty people that you find today on the sidewalks of New York," while in 1923, Imogen Oakley of the General Federation of Women's Clubs described the Irish, Germans, and others as "insoluble lumps of unassimilated and unassimilable peoples … 'wet' by heredity and habit." In the South, it was anti-black. "The disenfranchisement of Negroes is the heart of the movement in Georgia and throughout the South for the Prohibition of the liquor traffic," Georgia prohibitionist A.J. McKelway wrote in 1907. "Liquor will actually make a brute out of a negro, causing him to commit unnatural crimes," Alabama Rep. Richmond P. Hobson told Congress in 1914, a year after he'd sponsored the first federal Prohibition bill. (He said it had the same effect on white men, but took longer because they were "further evolved.")
Prohibitionism was an early example of fundamentalist Christians' political strength. The midpoint of William Jennings Bryan's odyssey from the prairie populist of 1896 to the evolution foe of 1925 was his endorsement of Prohibition in 1910. The rural puritans were abetted by middle-class do-gooders who, when they saw a slum-dwelling factory hand come home drunk and beat his wife, would blame the saloon instead of the pressures of capitalist exploitation or the license of misogyny. And many industrial employers, including DuPont's gunpowder division, demanded abstinent workers. World War I's austerity was the final piece of the puzzle.
Prohibitionists played key roles in the campaign to outlaw cannabis. Harry Anslinger had been so hardline that he advocated prosecuting individual users for possession of alcohol. (Federal Prohibition, unlike the current marijuana laws, only banned sales, allowed personal possession and limited home brewing, and had an exemption for medical use.) Richmond P. Hobson, who crusaded against drugs in the 1920s as head of the World Narcotic Defense Association, was an early advocate of marijuana prohibition. In 1931, he told the federal Wickersham Commission that marijuana used in excess "motivates the most atrocious acts." And in early 1936, the General Federation of Women's Clubs joined Anslinger's campaign to make reefers verboten.
In a country that was puritanical and racist enough in 1919 to outlaw alcohol in 1919, forbidding cannabis was politically very easy. Alcohol had been the most pervasive recreational drug in the Western world for millennia. Marijuana was virtually unknown. And though Prohibitionists -- like the immigration laws of the 1920s, the resurgent Ku Klux Klan, and the 1928 presidential campaign against Irish Catholic Democrat Al Smith -- demonized whiskey-sodden Micks, wine-soaked wops, traitorous beer-swilling Krauts and liquor-selling Jew shopkeepers, at least those people were sort of white. Marijuana was used mainly by Mexican immigrants and African-Americans.
The Nixon-era escalation of the war on drugs was one of the few times in U.S. history when white users were a prime target, as marijuana and LSD provided legal pretexts to attack the '60s counterculture. Richard Nixon's White House tapes captured him in 1971 growling that "every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish." But Nixon and other law-and-order politicians were most successful when they lumped youthful cultural-political rebellion and black militance with ghetto heroin addiction and the rising crime of the 1970s. New York's draconian Rockefeller drug laws, passed in 1973 as Gov. Nelson Rockefeller was trying to look "tough on crime," were a harbinger of the federal mandatory minimums of the 1980s. The result was that more than 90 percent of the state's drug prisoners are black or Latino.
The crack hysteria of the late 1980s was another example of the fear of dark-skinned demons breeding racially repressive law enforcement. Both federal and many state crack laws were designed to snare street dealers and bottom-level distributors, giving them the same penalties as powder-cocaine wholesalers. The racial results were obvious almost immediately. In overwhelmingly white Minnesota, more than 90 percent of the people convicted of possession of crack in 1988-89 were black. In the early 1990s, the U.S. Attorney's office in Southern California went more than five years without prosecuting a white person for crack.
That pattern still holds: In 2003, 81 percent of the defendants sentenced on crack charges nationwide were black. And law enforcement didn't spare the African-American innocent. In an August 1988 drug raid on an apartment block on Dalton Avenue in South Central Los Angeles, 88 city cops smashed walls and furniture with sledgehammers and axes, beat people with flashlights, and poured bleach on residents' clothes -- and arrested two teenagers who didn't live there on minor drug charges.
Why do people believe it?
Why, then, do so many people believe in the "hemp conspiracy"? First, it's the influence of The Emperor Wears No Clothes; many people inspired to cannabis activism by Jack Herer's hemp-can-save-the-world vision and passionate denunciations of pot prohibition buy into the whole "conspiracy against marijuana" package. Another is that many stoners love a good conspiracy theory; secret cabals are simpler and sexier villains than sociopolitical forces. The conspiracist worldview, a hybrid of the who-really-killed-the-Kennedys suspicions of the '60s left and the Bilderbergs-and-Illuminati demonology of the far right, is especially common in rural areas and among pothead Ron Paul supporters. Most people don't have the historical or political knowledge to dispute a conspiracist flood of detailed half-truths.
Counterculture people who see the evil done by corporations and politicians are often quick to believe that they are thus guilty of anything and everything -- that because the CIA tried to kill Fidel Castro with an exploding cigar, it's therefore indisputable that it killed Bob Marley by giving him boots booby-trapped with a carcinogen-tipped wire. Witness the multitudes who zealously argue that because George W. Bush gained a political advantage from the 9/11 attacks and told a thousand lies to justify the war in Iraq, it's proof that his operatives planted explosives in the World Trade Center and set them off an hour or so after the planes hit.
The Bush administration's attempt to link buying herb to "supporting terrorism" proved more laughable than lasting. Yet the racism-culture war combination is still very potent. Among the 360,000 arrests for marijuana possession in New York City between 1997 and 2006, the decade when mayors Rudolph Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg turned the city into the nation's pot-bust capital, 84 percent of the people popped were black or Latino, mostly young men. And the oft-cited statistic that there are more black men in prison than in college should be the equivalent of a doctor's warning that the nation has a cholesterol level approaching Jerry Garcia's after years on a diet of ice cream, cigarettes and heroin.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 21, 2008 1:29 AM
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Today, hemp paper and cloth made with modern technology is very durable and of high quality. However, once nylon was invented everyone quickly switched from hemp ropes to nylon ropes, which were stronger and longer-lasting.
All told, cannabis has been used for pleasure, medicine, fiber, food, paper, clothing and fuel for thousands of years - quite an impressive resume for a single domesticated plant.
The fact that this simple plant is criminal, when it has such a long record in human history, has to be one of the more bizarre features of modern human society.
The criminalization of drugs in the 20th century can't be ascribed to any single cause - economic cartels, racism, puritanical attitudes, public health crusaders, the prison-industrial complex, or anything else. It arose out of politics and fear, and is now used to keep domestic populations in line by dictatorial governments.
For example, another leading feature in the War on Drugs is the power of fear in politics - politicians can whip up public fears about drugs corrupting the youth and drug-related crime very easily, and use that as a basis for political power. That's a common theme from Anslinger and McCarthy (heroin addict) through Nixon to Bush: "We are Threatened by Great Evils - Commies, Druggies, and Terrists".
Regarding this article, it's unwise to dismiss private economic rationales for government action There are many examples of government decisions made in the 20th century that served private interests.
For example, alcohol prohibition had the added effect of securing the tranportation fuel market for J.D. Rockefeller's petroleum business (before the auto engine came along, the business had been all about selling kerosene for lamps). The original internal combustion engines ran on farm alcohol - 96% pure ethanol produced on farms in small stills. Oddly enough, Rockefeller gave millions to the Women's Christian Temperance Movement. Anti-German sentiment at the outbreak of WWI was used to push Prohibition (there were many German brewers).
This kind of thing was going on all the time in the late 19th and early 20th century. Rockefeller's Standard Oil was using every trick ever invented to undercut and buy out the competition. Likewise, the electricity combines were struggling to gain monopolies everywhere that power lines were being put in, and often owned entire city councils. People worked without breaks or vacations in sweatshop conditions, and attempts at unionizing led to brutal clashes with security guards and soldiers.
In such an environment, it's not implausible that established business interests in the paper and cloth industries would actively support Anslinger's efforts in order to shut out a new competitor, even if his motivations were racism and securing political power.
Oddly enough, there was a brief hiatus in Cannabis Prohibition during WWII, when farmers were urged to grow hemp by the U.S. government. The promotional film made during that time, Hemp for Victory (1942) is available at that link.
Despite all that, Schwarzenegger persists in vetoing The Industrial Hemp Bill every time it comes up.
What's his motivation?
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 AM
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You have exposed the underbelly of the beast, and for that we should all be grateful. I keep hoping in my lifetime that the egregious and disingenious deeds done by a previous generation of greedy liars will be reversed but I'm not holding my breath. Our Congress and elected officials have too much money invested in "the drug war" to separate out hemp, which would be a fantastic energy source, not to mention all its other beneficial uses. I would also rather be around someone smoking pot any day of the week rather than an alcoholic. There's also no comparison between pot and the other harder drugs. Outstanding article!
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Feb 21, 2008 1:44 AM
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The minute any politician backs legalizing hemp or marijuana, the right-wing ratbastards in media would report that the politician is "a commie," "pinko," basically trying to destroy the swell values of pure America. Can't you just hear O'Reilly and Limbaugh blasting that politician big-time. It is actually fear of the media's reporting that almost paralyzes people from acting their consciences. By now we know how repressed our society is and how this leads to horrific consequences, but nothing is ever done with our holier-than-thou evangelical folks, the neoconservatives, and the media monitoring so-called morals. America = the Puritanical atmosphere of the 17th century!
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Posted by: drblack on Feb 21, 2008 3:21 AM
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I have been researching the insanity of the drug war since I was nine and I find many reasons for Drug Prohibition.
One thing is true. All Drugs must be freely available as they were for all but the last 100 years or so of human history.
Drug Prohibition causes 99% of the societal problems with drugs and 90% of the individual problems.
Drugs are as available as ever but they are expensive. If drug Prohibition ends drugs will be just as available but they will be cheap.
$5000 gets $58,000,000 with illegal opiates. That is why the War On Some Drugs will NEVER work and wastes money and time and punishes people for brain chemistry.
Hearst, Mellon, DuPont had a BIG part to play in making Hemp illegal.
Nice try though.
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One reason people of color use drugs is that the reality of living in this culture is too painful, but the idea that taking drugs is a show of solidarity is a bunch of romanticism.
"Pot Studies" seem a waste of time when our economy is tottering on bankruptcy and fear is wielded as a weapon against our Constitutional rights. If all those potheads who light up and tune out would engage with the forces that oppress us all, the progressive movement would be a lot stronger.
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Posted by: labwitch on Feb 21, 2008 6:46 AM
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hell my disease didn't even have a name until about 15 years ago and it is terminal, but before it kills me it will deform my face hands and feet, while at the same time destroying my lungs, esophagus and gut. that and the hand deformation has already begun. wow, what a fun few years i have to look forward to!
someone at kos said it best "only a cruel and tyrannical government would deny you the medication you need for your pain because it so fears demon weed". for me that said it all.
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Posted by: brunowe on Feb 21, 2008 6:51 AM
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A Republican supporter of Blaine's Presidential campaign in 1884 characterized the Democrats as the party of "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion", suggeting that such a tie continued, at least among some people, after the Civil War.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Feb 21, 2008 6:47 AM
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However, unless one maintains that growing hemp is prohibited along with the more THC infused marijuana just because they may be confused with each other or that people might try to grow pot in with the hemp plants, there is no reason not to allow people to cultivate hemp. It is a highly renewable resource and can be used for clothing, plastic substitutes, rope (even if nylon is more durable, it's made from petroleum!) and other products.
This is far too complex to pin it down to one factor, racism, and ignore all the other possible reasons for keeping illegal not only growing, using or possessing pot, but also growing hemp (which is not illegal in clothing, rope, or other products).
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 21, 2008 6:58 AM
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How many people do you know favor legalizing Crystal Meth? Crack? Heroin? Prostitution? Physician Assisted Suicide?
How many people do you know favor making strip clubs illegal? Alcohol? Tobacco Smoking and Tobacco Products? Abortion?
Why? Because these people think these things are bad for people to engage in, just like a majority of people think pot is bad.
The only difference between the former group and the latter group is that a majority of people favor banning the former where a minority of people favor banning the latter.
These people seek to legislate their tastes and make those choices for the rest of us.
They don't value individual liberty, until that changes, if it ever changes, there will always be consensual crime laws.
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Posted by: sausage on Feb 21, 2008 7:06 AM
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Why does marijuana continue to be illegal?
Too many people making too much money off it remaining illegal, period.
To the list of organizations, police narcotic squads, drug rehab counselors etc., making money from the continued illegitimacy of pot let add another: young, white, libertarian-leaning professionals.
A friend told me that during the course of a conversation with a thirty-somethingish couple awhile back the topic of marijuana legalization came up. The young couple, my friend said, were vehemently opposed to legalization because dealing pot to their friends is a highly profitable, and most importantly, non-taxable source of income. Legalization would fuck-up their sweet deal, they told my friend.
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Posted by: xxdr_zombiexx on Feb 21, 2008 7:30 AM
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And I can take some time to really consider if I have been guilty of falling for what this author is labeling "a conspiracy".
"Conspiracy" has become a major slam in this post 9/11 world. The mere mention of a person being a "conspiracy theorist" can obliterate any useful thing they might have to say, not that we aren't inundated with ridiculous CT. It can be sort of irresponsible to toss that word around.
I can also be responsible to accept that I am pretty much tilted against corporate power. see corporations as able to exist way above enforceable laws and in "cahoots" with the GOP and our lovable Blue Dog Dems. Gotta have the appearance of "bipartisan cooperation".
We know that Big Corp and the GOP are nearly Siamese twins. The revolving door between the 2 entities certainly isn't a theory. It's real. And its a problem.
The GOP has cannabis prohibition as a central feature of their political religion. Your local GOP folks may talk like Ron Paul about pot, but if they are going to rise above state-level and aspire to the Federal Big-Time, they will spout reefer madness. How Ron Paul has existed as a repub for all these years without them getting rid of him is hard to grasp.
Until you bring up racism. The GOP is the party of racism. It's bleached-white. The racist angle is doubtlessly at the core of the GOP's valuing of this prohibition.
Then there's the prison industry, also GOP-connected that is thriving off this being illegal. Private Prisons are big business. Privte prisons run by racists who are ok with incarcerating so many non-white men for no good reason.
It is true that racism has a huge and central role in this ridiculous and stupid state of affairs but the utter usefulness of hemp, historically, the way it can just be grown by anybody with the room to do so, the way it can be had for free - cannot be overlooked or discounted.
All of this is anathema to Capitalism. There will be NOTHING FREE unless you already have more money than God.
I am, in the end, unsure of what is to be gained from trying to minimize the role of corporations in the evolution of Reefer Madness, but there can be no denying that Big Pharma and Big Oil have huge stakes in keeping it illegal, even though I think it is irrational.
It didn't start out this way, perhaps, but it's this way now.
But I totally agree it is ridiculous to posit that relegalized cannabis is going "shut down" any particular corporation. That's stupid too. Won't happen.
If you have a monopoly on this and that comes along and can be used as an altenative, this just became less valuable because of increased supply. The same basic free market stuff spewed endlessly by the Right.
Corporations exist to maximize profit by any means available. Sharing that wealth isn't part of the the plan.
Cannabis prohibition is built on lies and racism and other Puritan bullshit and it has never had the first remotely defensible reason for existence.
So why is it still illegal?
The Democratic party has to be the party to take this on, if for no other reason than to hurt the GOP by taking away this central part of their political muscle. Rightwingers who think the GOP is going to help them relegalize need to be pitied.
Dems will do this by talking about cannabis and relegalization like sane adults (asking a lot, I know) but all they have to do is talk.
When we can talk about this like sane adults, free of propaganda bullshit, we'll "Move America Forward". (heh)
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Posted by: callejero on Feb 21, 2008 7:53 AM
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If you are against stupid drug laws, as I am, you should have left it as "Hearst's fault," instead of arming the novice bigots and racists .
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I hate to pop your little bubble, but the first anti-marijuana law passed in the US was a disorderly conduct-type statute passed in Texas in 1902 and expressly directed at Mexicans. It was thought to be necessary for control, because they were not doing anything wrong.
If you are really interested in this, I suggest you get a copy of the 1972 U. of W. Va. Law Review, fall edition (I think-it's been awhile), and look for an article entitled "The Forbidden Fruit and the Tree of Knowledge" by Prof. Charles Whitebread. It has the real story, well-documented, and Hearst had plenty to do with it.
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Posted by: heide on Feb 21, 2008 8:11 AM
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but deep inside in his most primal self he knows he is NOT
so he FEARS,, and what the white man FEARS must be either CAGED,EXTERMINATED, OR CRIMINALIZED,, since it doesnt fit into his teeny little sick twisted mold of reality
and you might as well face it your penis will never be as big as the black guys next to you
so accept it, get over it,,
admit it was WRONG to ever CIMINALIZE CANNABIS& HEMP IN THE FIRST PLACE
stop the lies
release the medicine
LEGALIZE ALL THINGS HEMP
the white man would destroy the very thing that gives life,then cry when his children are starving
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but deep inside in his most primal self he knows he is NOT
so he FEARS,, and what the white man FEARS must be either CAGED,EXTERMINATED, OR CRIMINALIZED,, since it doesnt fit into his teeny little sick twisted mold of reality
and you might as well face it your penis will never be as big as the black guys next to you
so accept it, get over it,,
admit it was WRONG to ever CIMINALIZE CANNABIS& HEMP IN THE FIRST PLACE
stop the lies
release the medicine
LEGALIZE ALL THINGS HEMP
the white man would destroy the very thing that gives life,then cry when his children are starving
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Feb 21, 2008 8:55 AM
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As far as the racist factor is concerned, most drug dealers being African-American is roughly the reverse of the truism that rich people don't steal groceries. I.e., most crimes committed by young black men are a manifestation of a virulent phenomenon: this country offers precious few alternatives for inner-city young blacks to make the kind of money our consumer society demands. If they're exceedingly lucky, they can become sports stars or rap stars. Failing that, they can deal drugs, or work two shifts a day flipping burgers at Mickey D's. This, after all, is the Land Of Opportunity.
In addition, if the government would only tell the lobbyists to go to hell, legalize marijuana, and tax it the way it currently taxes cigarettes, the revenue could buy cradle-to-grave health care for every one of us.
Oh, but then, of course, you have the insurance lobby. . .
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Posted by: fsuthai on Feb 21, 2008 9:58 AM
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But I'm certainly not going to try to convince anyone else here; not now (too mellowed out from my smoking porch).
I enjoyed reading the article and assume most of it is accurate historically. However, in addition to your assumption that potheads are, ipso facto, conspiracy buffs, I found some of your statements rather oddly phrased:
Anslinger's other theme was that white girls would be ruined once they'd experienced the lurid pleasures of having a black man's joint in their mouth.
That bastard had a lot of anti-drug themes but I'll bet he never expressed one in quite that manner. It's a shame we don't have our own country somewhere...
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Posted by: nfamous on Feb 21, 2008 10:00 AM
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The 9/11 truth movement is exactly that: about truth. The media has helped the government and corporations cover their tracks by promulgating the idea that conspiracists are loons with no evidence behind what they say. There are some wacky theories out there but the main point is that the official story is complete and utter bullshit. We don't have to prove what actually did happen as long as we know what didn't.
The Twin Towers and WTC7 were imploded beyond any reasonable doubt. We don't know by whom yet and that is precisely why we need a true open and independent investigation into the tragic events of that day. There are over a hundred unanswered questions and the governments has done nothing but stonewall since that day and use fear to justify its illegal preemptive wars. 9/11 was a false flag just like Pearl Harbor and just like the Gulf of Tonkin.
The evidence is out there for people willing to open their minds and realize that our government will do anything to preserve its, not our, way of life, which is global control and ultimately complete depletion of Earth's natural resources. I'm assuming they have a backup plan while they stall for time using global depopulation techniques.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 21, 2008 10:05 AM
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See we have a revolving door with drugs and money. It really does'nt matter what drug it is,hemp or herion, the game is the same.
Firstly it's got to be grown,in the case of hemp,or imported,for heroin. Then you get it into the streets. There with the help of counterfiet cash,it gets spread out. The cops keeping tabs on all this booty,single out the busts. They use the 'funny money' to create buys,make the deal,get the bust, and recycle the whole deal over and over again. The trick is the cops take out the real money and put back the 'funny money' so it all looks good in the courts,skimming the real money all the time.
How come oil hates hemp?
Hemp makes #2 Diesel,
a fuel that could change our concept of fuel economy. Hemp makes bio-diesel,a fuel that can get 150mpg and be a very economical home heating fuel,greatly reducing carbon produced by home heating, hemp oil could even cost less.
The MPG of bio-diesel makes up for the cost. Far better than E-85 fuels which get greatly reduced gas mileage and cost the same. As a 'value' E-85 is bunk!!
Also Hemp smoking,eating and tea servings caise people to become more peaceful. Peaceful is something you can't be in 'War-Time America'
I'm sorry but 'Peaceful' is exactally how we're supposed to live.
Maybe it's time we 'Rolled One for Freedom'
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: Barakis on Feb 21, 2008 10:42 AM
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The government makes it a 'gateway' drug because they have drove it onto the black market.
It's a joke and the politicians are the punch line.
END PROHIBITION NOW!
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Feb 21, 2008 11:38 AM
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The Rockefeller Report echoed the Committee of Fifty's conclusion that the ..... In the 1930s, guided by the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and its chief, ...
www.cedro-uva.org/lib/levine.alcohol.html
The 1960s
As a result, in coming years there will be even more public discussion and debate about the varieties of drug prohibition and about the alternatives to it. As part of that conversation, many more people will discover that they have lived for decades within a regime of world-wide drug prohibition. That growing understanding will help push global drug prohibition closer to its end.
We are convinced that someday, as Edward Brecher predicted, most Americans will look back on drug prohibition and judge it to have been (like alcohol prohibition) repressive, unjust, expensive and ineffective -- a failure. In the twentieth century, a dozen major scientific commissions in Britain, Canada, and the United States have recommended alternatives to punitive drug policies. The United States is the only nation where these recommendations have been so consistently ignored (Levine, 1994; Trebach and Zeese, 1990). For starters, these recommendations should be more widely discussed and better understood in the United States. The experiences of other nations, regions and cities also provide living examples of decriminalization and harm reduction programs within global drug prohibition. The full range of alternatives to current U.S. drug policy should be studied and debated -- from futuristic visions to pragmatic reforms that could be implemented immediately. For drug policy, as was the case with alcohol policy, discussion of alternatives is an essential part of the transition from prohibition to regulation.
In 1953 I was nearly thrown out of High School because Rockfeller concluded that not to leagalize drugs, particularily M.J. would "lead to a trail of crime unprecedented in Western World history." which I reported in a paper in 11th grade.
This is a must read if anyone wants to get a grip on what the hell is really been tried and conclusions that start at Prohibition in the 20's and 30's to today. Same ole shit. Crazy Carlos
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Posted by: rewassenich on Feb 21, 2008 11:40 AM
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Unfortunately, too many people are out trying to make a name for theselves, or money, with outrageous claims. I'd be a dead man had I followed all the sensational health claims that have appeared.
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Posted by: Stoney 12+1 on Feb 21, 2008 11:52 AM
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I've done PLENTY of research on the subject, and Herrer is right! He stated that racism and Big Money Interests were at the core of marijuana prohibition, and a lot of the same points he made are parroted here!
As to the old sad saw about the stereotypical marijuana user stumbling along forgetting who, or where he is, and what it was that he was supposed to do, that's a bunch of bullshit!
I've been smoking weed since 1973! Do I come across as some kind of lame-brained lunatic? When marijuana is portrayed in the press, or the movie theater, the pot-heads are always portrayed as either lovable fools, or raving lunatics! Get this! Marijuana actually stimulates the brain! It actually causes the brain to regenerate itself! In fact, it's actually being studied as a treatment for Alzheimer's Disease!
It's way past time to legalise marijuana! it doesn't matter who is doing it, why it's being done, or what will be done after the fact! Just do it!!!!
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Posted by: picket on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM
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China is where it is all happening. I think they are the largest exporter of hemp, certainly not a "democracy" but...farmers and factory workers make a living from HEMP...unlike many of our USA farmer/ entrepreneurs.
Info from a 1997 article about Dongping in China. Western investors spent $12 Million to refit a textile factory which became the leading supplier of hemp at that time. It employed 2000 happy workers and the Dongping citizens held a parade and stretched banners across streets, one ...."Welcome to our partners in cannabis production."
http://www.gluckman.com/hemp.html
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That's NOT the only evidence that the administration had prior knowledge and/or some role in the events of 9/11. I know your statement is much more specific than that, and therefore may specifically be true, however, I cannot dismiss that your intent was to suggest that our government had absolutely no role in the events of 9/11. Making this unnecessary and unrelated accusation at the end of your article undermines your credibility and that of your article.
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Posted by: tokendave on Feb 21, 2008 1:04 PM
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A loyal contingent of right-wing bigots still reside in Alberta who use any excuse to imprison those they don't like. Our national Conservative government is currently following the neo-con agenda, parroting tough-on-crime, minimum sentences that have made America the leader worldwide in incarcerating its citizens.
Given the statistics of those in prisons in America for marijuana "crimes", I would say prohibition has evolved more for racial than economical reasons.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Feb 21, 2008 1:18 PM
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I think the author's conflating these two different plants is the basis for some of the arguments made by posters. And it's certainly possible that each is illegal for different reasons.
It's a bit surprising that no one here has brought up the Canadian study that was done several years ago. I found it on the internet and printed it out when I first heard of it, but have been unable to locate it recently. It's been awhile since I read it, but as I recall, it starts out stating the assumption of those who instigated the study that they would prove once and for all how dangerous using marijuana is. However, it is also stated in the introduction that the original assumption was rather conclusively overturned by the evidence.
The report, which is quite long, concludes that marijuana is most definitly not a "gateway" drug and does not lead to violence or crime of any kind. It stated that there are no reported deaths whatsoever from overdoses and that there is not even any documented evidence that driving while high results in more accidents since people tend to be more, not less, cautious. Unlike alcohol. (This last assertion was qualified by the fact that there had really not been any definitive studies done on driving while high on pot without the additional influence of alcohol.)
The final summary of the Canadian government's findings included recommendations for decriminalizing pot. Of course, I read that the US government was very upset about this, which is probably why the report is now so hard to find online.
Marijuana is not like drinking, and it's also not hemp. At the age of 60, I have known dozens, if not hundreds, of people who smoke or ingest pot and also hundreds who drink. I'd rather be around a pot user than a drunk any day. No matter how high a person gets from cannibis, it is unlikely that he or she will be mean. Drinkers tend to get unreasonable pretty quickly. Even the most mild mannered people can be horrid and belligerent when drunk.
Oh - for the record: "it's" is NOT A POSSESSIVE! "It's" is the contraction for "it is."
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I do not deny the author's assertion that racism and social engineering played a large role in creating and perpetuating the myths surrounding cannibis. But I am also convinced that the liquor industry, fearing people would find a replacement for there product, lobbied hard and successfully to promote the "killer weed" myth.
Lately, I think Big Pharma has joined in. Legal pot could put a major dent in the sales of the very profitable drugs currently foisted on the public.
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In 2003, when I was in radiation treatment for cancer, one of my fellow patients who was being treated for pancreatic cancer was having some issues with vomiting, a natural and pervasive side effect of radiation applied to the digestive system. Actually, of course his problem was health coverage, because money was the primary bottleneck. His physician prescribed (medical grade) marijuana as his first choice of anti-emetics, and the bill was $12,000/mo. That's right, TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for ONE MONTH'S TREATMENT.
The chemical anti-emetics I was taking for chemo were cheap at $2,000/mo, but were no doubt hard on my system which has yet to recover, though that is another tirade.
However, I think it is highly probable that Big Pharma would fight to their last ill-gotten patent to prevent grass from being legalized.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:29 PM
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there has been plenty of good information already posted, so i won't repeat it all here.. just wanted to add my voice as a master's degreed historian who has spent a great deal of time researching the history of medical cannabis & hemp and why they continue to be illegal...oh, and just for the record, i'm 43.
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Feb 22, 2008 3:08 AM
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And yet the fact remains that prohibition has benefited criminals of the paper, petrochemical, textile, health, and political industries. This grave, mis-allocation of resources to fight a mythical scourge only limits the progress of our society, while criminals of industry and politicians benefit from consistently bloating federal funding, leaving us Americans to foot the bill. Drug dealers are empowered by an artificially inflated demand and our most destitute civilians (people like the ones Jesus came to save) eat stray bullets for dessert.
If cannabis really is the demon it is portrayed as, the government would tell us the truth about it because all this useless propaganda is turning your children into cynics who will never again believe what they are told again.
One thing I've learned in my own personal search for the Truth is that the past may as well be a myth. The same goes for the future. How we proceed from the present is the only reality we have left to cling to. If corporations want a say in politics (the same goes for the church) shouldn't they pay taxes like the rest of us freedom loving Americans? Besides, hemp and cannabis have been used for thousands of years, yet for the past 70 years under prohibition we've witnessed a steady decline in our society.
For some reason, alarm bells are ringing.
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Posted by: roadrunner on Feb 22, 2008 3:21 AM
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It was perfect.
We need to hear more about this interesting issue: Why potheads are wrong about why their pot is illegal.
You continue to keep them distracted, while I send my new apprentice, Darth Maul, to build more prison camps in which to incarcerate them.
Soon, the queen will sign our treaty, and I shall become Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic!
Mwa! Ha! Ha! Ha! Haaaaaaa!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Feb 22, 2008 7:40 AM
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any ONE of these premises does not exclude the others from potentially valid possibility.
OF COURSE RACISM WAS A VALID *EXCUSE*: Mexicans, Chinese railworkers...
I mean, honestly, *this* coming from a nation that still hangs nooses & torches churches... & the prison industry sure generates some nasty race-oriented hate gangs.
...but there is nothing that indicates any ONE ugliness prevents the others from motivating a hate-based legislation.
Does the Author work for a corporation of some involvement or something?
I mean, take a look at the legacy of the Civil War & the later Western Expansion (coyly called "Manifest Destiny" or "Die Injun"): the poisonous economy & corporate culture of the WORLD has been influenced by the American need to rebuild the South:
- sugar
- oil
- tobacco
- cotton
...& the nasty legislation & 'foreign policies' that drive supporting them...
Hemp cultivation is *freedom* from cancerous American corporate 'do as I say or catch a rubber bullet' culture.
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Posted by: hempjack on Feb 22, 2008 12:03 PM
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The processing of nitrating cellulose into explosives is very similar to the process for nitrating cellulose into synthetic fibers and plastics. Rayon, the first synthetic fiber, is simply stabilized guncotton, or nitrated cloth, the basic explosive of the 19th century.
“Synthetic plastics find application in fabricating a wide variety of articles, many of which in the past were made from natural products,” beamed Lammot DuPont (Popular Mechanics, June 1939).
“Consider our natural resources,” the president of DuPont continued, “The chemist has aided in conserving natural resources by developing synthetic products to supplement or wholly replace natural products.”
DuPont’s scientists were the world’s leading researchers into the processes of nitrating cellulose and were in fact the largest processor of cellulose in the nation in this era.
The February 1938 Popular Mechanics article stated “Thousands of tons of hemp hurds are used every year by one large powder company for the manufacture of dynamite and TNT.” History shows that DuPont had largely cornered the market in explosives by buying up and consolidating the smaller blasting companies in the late 1800s. By 1902 it controlled about two-thirds of industry output.
They were the largest powder company, supplying 40% of the munitions for the allies in WWI. As cellulose and fiber researchers, DuPont’s chemists knew hemp’s true value better than anyone else. The value of hemp goes far beyond line fibers; although recognized for linen, canvas, netting and cordage, these long fibers are only 20% of the hemp stalk’s weight. Eighty percent of the hemp is in the 77% cellulose hurd, and this was the most abundant, cleanest resource of cellulose (fiber) for paper, plastics and even rayon.
The empirical evidence in this book shows that the federal government – through the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act – allowed this munitions maker to supply synthetic fibers for the domestic economy without competition. The proof of a successful conspiracy among these corporate and governing interests is simply this: in 1997 DuPont was still the largest producer of man-made fibers, while no American citizen has legally harvested a single acre of textile grade hemp in over 60 years (except during the period of WWII).
An almost unlimited tonnage of natural fiber and cellulose would have become available to the American farmer in 1937, the year DuPont patented Nylon and the polluting wood-pulp paper sulfide process. All of hemp’s potential value was lost.
Simple plastics of the early 1900s were made of nitrated cellulose, directly related to DuPont’s munitions-making process. Celluloid, acetate and rayon were the simple plastics of that era, and hemp was well known to cellulose researchers as the premier resource for this new industry to use. Worldwide, the raw material of simple plastics, rayon and paper could be best supplied by hemp hurds.
Nylon fibers were developed between 1926-1937 by the noted Harvard chemist Wallace Carothers, working from German patents. These polyamides are long fibers based on observed natural products. Carothers, supplied with an open-ended research grant from DuPont, made a comprehensive study of natural cellulose fibers. He duplicated natural fibers in his labs and polyamides – long fibers of a specific chemical process – were developed. (Curiously, Wallace Carothers committed suicide in April of 1937, one week after the House Ways and Means Committee had the hearings on cannabis. (Read more at www.jackherer.com)
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Posted by: davesilvan on Feb 22, 2008 5:40 PM
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Had cannabis been useful for all it's purposes and *not* been a mild intoxicant brought into the country by minorities, it would still have been outlawed but Uncle Sam would have had to come up with a new reason to discriminate.
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Posted by: barn on Feb 22, 2008 6:19 PM
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Just keep up the pressure. Debunk this that or the other thing all day long and it does nothing much.. well, other than get you all revved up once in a while. Smoke it, drink it, lick it, sniff it, eat it. You know, like war.
It may be a good time though for some smart tobacco folks to step up to the lobby plate and keep those rolling machines in business.
"Can I have a pack of.. " Yeah.
Oh, yeah, and what about the government apparently telling subsidized farmers to ... ignore hemp then? Can't grow it. Can't ever have grown it. Can't ever plan to grow it and don't talk about it and don't ask questions. Don't even THINK about it.
What's up with that then? Racism? Hm.. must be.
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Posted by: owlbear1 on Feb 23, 2008 2:34 AM
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I think that is the core of why hemp and marijuana were made illegal.
I would also bet many countries out there are using hemp in the production of their currencies.
Make hemp impossible to obtain and you've got a ready defense against counterfeiting.
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Posted by: SkeeterVT1 on Feb 23, 2008 1:46 PM
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But 70 years later, racism is hardly the primary reason to continue the prohibition of cannabis. There's no reason to justify continued prohibittion of marijuana -- except to deny the tobacco industry new competition.
With the jury still out on whether smoking marijuana causes the deadly ailments that tobacco smoking has long been proven to cause, the tobacco companies can ill-afford the competition from legalized cannabis.
The tobacco companies' opposition to cannabis legalization is downright stupid, for they could rake in billions by growing marijuana instead of tobacco. But Corporate America has never been known for looking long-term.
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Posted by: John Thomas on Feb 24, 2008 1:08 AM
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The main point to draw from marijuana prohibition's history is there was never a good reason to persecute innocent consumers.
It's clear the people are ready for this injustice to end. Hopefully, it still matters what the people want.
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Listen to Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott and others of their ilk talk about how they want to stomp out, kill and eliminate the influence of the "60s" on American culture. The war on drugs is their number one weapon. It is, was a culture war.
My only problem with the article was the references to the "conspiracists" ... as though they are somehow one tribe. One thought. One set of issues. As with any theories, there are always those in the extreme. And the Ron Paul crowd is kind of emblematic of this. They see his finer points but choose to ignore his other faults...like women's rights, his, no government is the cure...libertarian overkill... etc. etc.
The drug war is a big conspiracy. Call it what you like, but it is people conspiring through race and culture war language, and laws that uphold this philosophy that is keeping pot illegal. Today. Not yesterday. But today. It is a conspiracy to silence the 60s culture and its influences of god, forbid, freedom, and the "pusuit of happiness."
But a good article on a topic that needs to be told to the Ron Paul'ers and the Hearst conspiracy tale tellers. Again, the Hearst conspiracy might have been in play in the 30s and 40s, but a larger, more complext attack on Hemp and Pot is based on culture and racist control of our society.
Thanks.
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Hemp and Marijuana:
Myths & Realities
by David P. West, Ph.D.
for the North American Industrial Hemp Council.
However, as I have already said it is hard to know what is actual fact as no true in-depth scientific research can be done with out legal ramifications with hemp and/or marijuana being classified Schedule I. Though I must refer back to my original point and that is the lack of questioning and utter acceptance of hemp and marijuana being classified as one in the same. It seems that it is at least time to begin to ask these questions and find out the real answers. The only way for that to be done is to reclassify hemp and/or marijuana as a Schedule II to at least begin to get some real honest research.
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For the last 35 years, my friends, the late Captain Ed Adair, Buddy
Duzy, George Clayton Johnson, and I realized that only Hemp could save
the World! We set out to teach the world all the things about Hemp
that had been covered up by our own government!
All the people who have read my book, or read it online, or other Hemp
books, realized that Hemp is the only thing to reverse the Greenhouse
Effect! Only solar, wind, geothermal and Hemp, etc. can save the
world. Fossil fuels (oil, coal, and natural gas) will be a thing of
the past.
Virtually all trees will be left in the ground forever. We only have
4% of the trees left, by volume and weight, on Earth as we did 125
years ago." (end part one)
SamFox
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Posted by: SamFox on Feb 28, 2008 10:28 PM
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the Greenhouse effect!! Remember, we have 4% of trees now, and getting
smaller!
Houses and building materials are being made from Hemp, including
fiber board, wallboard, paneling, insulation, wood-like beams
(stronger than wood).
Hemp seeds are the 1 healthiest food on Earth, with complete globular
protein edestins; essential fatty acids, linoleic and linolenic, in
the best form on EARTH!
30% or more of all medicines (125 years ago) were made from Cannabis.
In the near future, 30% or more of medicines will be made from natural
Hemp/Marijuana. In 6,000 years of recorded history, there has never
been one death due to Cannabis Hemp - unless they were shot by a COP!
60% to 80% of everything was made from Cannabis Hemp 6,000 years ago
up until around 100 years ago: for example, clothes, rugs, drapes,
curtains, diapers, canvas, string, rope, sails, houses, cars, etc... I
did not learn one word about Hemp in grade school, high school or
college!
Isn't it strange that the 1 medicine, the 1 fiber, the 1 food, the 1
fuel, the 1 paper and the 1 substitute for wood can be made from Hemp
and it is illegal!! Doesn't it make you mad as hell! You live longer
if you use Cannabis Hemp internally. You live about 2 years longer on
life if you smoke a little in the morning and a little at night. If
you smoke and also eat the seeds you live about 3-4 years longer on
top of that.
It is the healthiest plant for the ground and air. Cannabis Hemp is
the only known plant that can be grown from the Equator to the Arctic
and Antarctic Circles; from the mountains to the valleys, from the
oceans to the plains, including arid lands and everywhere in between.
Cannabis Hemp is the healthiest plant for the ground out of the
300,000 known species, and the millions and millions of subspecies of
plants on Earth, because it has a root system that grows 10 to 12
inches in 30 days compared to one inch for rye, barley grass, etc. The
roots penetrate up to 3, 6 and even 10 feet deep, pulverizing the soil
and making it arable. After harvest it leaves a root system that is
mulched into the ground, revitalizing the land and making it live once
again. It is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plant life.
(End part two)
SamFox
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Health Initiative on the state's ballot for November 2008. This will
repeal criminal and civil penalties for Cannabis and ban drug testing
for metabolites. It will decriminalize the cultivation, distribution,
and possession of Hemp entirely!
One provision in the petition will order the immediate release from
jail and prison of all non-violent Cannabis Hemp offenders. Including
27,000 or more Californians that violated probation or parole for
positive metabolites from marijuana. The initiative needs 434,000
valid signatures to qualify for the ballot (750,000 all together);
signature gathering continues through April 15, 2008.
This initiative will legalize Cannabis Hemp, within the state of
California, for (a) industrial products, (b) medicinal preparations,
(c) nutritional products, (d) religious and spiritual products, and
(e) recreational and euphoric use 21 and older, with no restrictions,
and no one will ever go to jail again because of it.
It provides for amnesty, immediate release from prison, jail, parole,
and probation, and clearing, expungement, and deletion of all criminal
records for all persons currently charged with, or convicted of any
non-violent Cannabis Hemp marijuana offense.
This initiative protects jobs of medicinal Cannabis patients and other
Cannabis users. It prohibits the testing for inert and/or residual
Cannabis metabolites for the purpose of employment or other impairment.
California Cannabis Hemp and Health Initiative 2008
California Ballot Recipient Committee 1303604
We are looking for 100,000 sponsors and contributors, but will accept
a million, to help us to immediately fund our paid petitioner account.
100% of all funds will be used to buy validated signatures until we
qualify, then we will use the extra money for the November 2008
elections and we will teach the people of California that all the
things I said in this letter, and The Emperor Wears No Clothes was
true. Paid petitioners are currently circulating our petition and we
need to keep them working. Your generous support is needed and very
much appreciated. We don't have the money! We need the money now! We
only have 8 weeks to go.
SamFox
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CCHHI08 - P.O. Box 6733 - Westlake Village, CA 91359.
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A few of my friends and I have sponsored 16 initiatives in California,
Oregon, Washington and Alaska. We got 8 of them on the ballot, with 5
of them passing. We have never asked for money in 35 years. We used
our own money entirely. We need your money to get it on the ballot
this time. If you don't, I still have 16 years left. Many of my
friends said to wait until 2012, but most of you will be out of a job
by then because of the Supreme Court of California's new decision
January 24th, 2008, almost a month ago, for all California people,
with doctors note or not, to lose their jobs without any recourse or
compensation. We ask that you donate now, as we are quickly running
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EVERYBODY! GET THE WORD OUT!!!
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I guess Jack is not so bad after all!!
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http://www.calhemp08.org
http://www.myspace.com/hempjack
http://profile.to/jackherer/
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Today, hemp paper and cloth made with modern technology is very durable and of high quality. However, once nylon was invented everyone quickly switched from hemp ropes to nylon ropes, which were stronger and longer-lasting.
All told, cannabis has been used for pleasure, medicine, fiber, food, paper, clothing and fuel for thousands of years - quite an impressive resume for a single domesticated plant.
The fact that this simple plant is criminal, when it has such a long record in human history, has to be one of the more bizarre features of modern human society.
The criminalization of drugs in the 20th century can't be ascribed to any single cause - economic cartels, racism, puritanical attitudes, public health crusaders, the prison-industrial complex, or anything else. It arose out of politics and fear, and is now used to keep domestic populations in line by dictatorial governments.
For example, another leading feature in the War on Drugs is the power of fear in politics - politicians can whip up public fears about drugs corrupting the youth and drug-related crime very easily, and use that as a basis for political power. That's a common theme from Anslinger and McCarthy (heroin addict) through Nixon to Bush: "We are Threatened by Great Evils - Commies, Druggies, and Terrists".
Regarding this article, it's unwise to dismiss private economic rationales for government action There are many examples of government decisions made in the 20th century that served private interests.
For example, alcohol prohibition had the added effect of securing the tranportation fuel market for J.D. Rockefeller's petroleum business (before the auto engine came along, the business had been all about selling kerosene for lamps). The original internal combustion engines ran on farm alcohol - 96% pure ethanol produced on farms in small stills. Oddly enough, Rockefeller gave millions to the Women's Christian Temperance Movement. Anti-German sentiment at the outbreak of WWI was used to push Prohibition (there were many German brewers).
This kind of thing was going on all the time in the late 19th and early 20th century. Rockefeller's Standard Oil was using every trick ever invented to undercut and buy out the competition. Likewise, the electricity combines were struggling to gain monopolies everywhere that power lines were being put in, and often owned entire city councils. People worked without breaks or vacations in sweatshop conditions, and attempts at unionizing led to brutal clashes with security guards and soldiers.
In such an environment, it's not implausible that established business interests in the paper and cloth industries would actively support Anslinger's efforts in order to shut out a new competitor, even if his motivations were racism and securing political power.
Oddly enough, there was a brief hiatus in Cannabis Prohibition during WWII, when farmers were urged to grow hemp by the U.S. government. The promotional film made during that time, Hemp for Victory (1942) is available at that link.
Despite all that, Schwarzenegger persists in vetoing The Industrial Hemp Bill every time it comes up.
What's his motivation?
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Posted by: georgiaorwell on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 AM
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You have exposed the underbelly of the beast, and for that we should all be grateful. I keep hoping in my lifetime that the egregious and disingenious deeds done by a previous generation of greedy liars will be reversed but I'm not holding my breath. Our Congress and elected officials have too much money invested in "the drug war" to separate out hemp, which would be a fantastic energy source, not to mention all its other beneficial uses. I would also rather be around someone smoking pot any day of the week rather than an alcoholic. There's also no comparison between pot and the other harder drugs. Outstanding article!
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The minute any politician backs legalizing hemp or marijuana, the right-wing ratbastards in media would report that the politician is "a commie," "pinko," basically trying to destroy the swell values of pure America. Can't you just hear O'Reilly and Limbaugh blasting that politician big-time. It is actually fear of the media's reporting that almost paralyzes people from acting their consciences. By now we know how repressed our society is and how this leads to horrific consequences, but nothing is ever done with our holier-than-thou evangelical folks, the neoconservatives, and the media monitoring so-called morals. America = the Puritanical atmosphere of the 17th century!
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Direct Primaries!
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Direct Primaries!
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Posted by: drblack on Feb 21, 2008 3:21 AM
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I have been researching the insanity of the drug war since I was nine and I find many reasons for Drug Prohibition.
One thing is true. All Drugs must be freely available as they were for all but the last 100 years or so of human history.
Drug Prohibition causes 99% of the societal problems with drugs and 90% of the individual problems.
Drugs are as available as ever but they are expensive. If drug Prohibition ends drugs will be just as available but they will be cheap.
$5000 gets $58,000,000 with illegal opiates. That is why the War On Some Drugs will NEVER work and wastes money and time and punishes people for brain chemistry.
Hearst, Mellon, DuPont had a BIG part to play in making Hemp illegal.
Nice try though.
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One reason people of color use drugs is that the reality of living in this culture is too painful, but the idea that taking drugs is a show of solidarity is a bunch of romanticism.
"Pot Studies" seem a waste of time when our economy is tottering on bankruptcy and fear is wielded as a weapon against our Constitutional rights. If all those potheads who light up and tune out would engage with the forces that oppress us all, the progressive movement would be a lot stronger.
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This comment shows how much faith one can put in the rest of the article.
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Posted by: labwitch on Feb 21, 2008 6:46 AM
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hell my disease didn't even have a name until about 15 years ago and it is terminal, but before it kills me it will deform my face hands and feet, while at the same time destroying my lungs, esophagus and gut. that and the hand deformation has already begun. wow, what a fun few years i have to look forward to!
someone at kos said it best "only a cruel and tyrannical government would deny you the medication you need for your pain because it so fears demon weed". for me that said it all.
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Posted by: brunowe on Feb 21, 2008 6:51 AM
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A Republican supporter of Blaine's Presidential campaign in 1884 characterized the Democrats as the party of "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion", suggeting that such a tie continued, at least among some people, after the Civil War.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Feb 21, 2008 6:47 AM
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However, unless one maintains that growing hemp is prohibited along with the more THC infused marijuana just because they may be confused with each other or that people might try to grow pot in with the hemp plants, there is no reason not to allow people to cultivate hemp. It is a highly renewable resource and can be used for clothing, plastic substitutes, rope (even if nylon is more durable, it's made from petroleum!) and other products.
This is far too complex to pin it down to one factor, racism, and ignore all the other possible reasons for keeping illegal not only growing, using or possessing pot, but also growing hemp (which is not illegal in clothing, rope, or other products).
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Feb 21, 2008 6:58 AM
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How many people do you know favor legalizing Crystal Meth? Crack? Heroin? Prostitution? Physician Assisted Suicide?
How many people do you know favor making strip clubs illegal? Alcohol? Tobacco Smoking and Tobacco Products? Abortion?
Why? Because these people think these things are bad for people to engage in, just like a majority of people think pot is bad.
The only difference between the former group and the latter group is that a majority of people favor banning the former where a minority of people favor banning the latter.
These people seek to legislate their tastes and make those choices for the rest of us.
They don't value individual liberty, until that changes, if it ever changes, there will always be consensual crime laws.
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Posted by: sausage on Feb 21, 2008 7:06 AM
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Why does marijuana continue to be illegal?
Too many people making too much money off it remaining illegal, period.
To the list of organizations, police narcotic squads, drug rehab counselors etc., making money from the continued illegitimacy of pot let add another: young, white, libertarian-leaning professionals.
A friend told me that during the course of a conversation with a thirty-somethingish couple awhile back the topic of marijuana legalization came up. The young couple, my friend said, were vehemently opposed to legalization because dealing pot to their friends is a highly profitable, and most importantly, non-taxable source of income. Legalization would fuck-up their sweet deal, they told my friend.
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Posted by: pfm on Feb 21, 2008 7:26 AM
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Posted by: xxdr_zombiexx on Feb 21, 2008 7:30 AM
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And I can take some time to really consider if I have been guilty of falling for what this author is labeling "a conspiracy".
"Conspiracy" has become a major slam in this post 9/11 world. The mere mention of a person being a "conspiracy theorist" can obliterate any useful thing they might have to say, not that we aren't inundated with ridiculous CT. It can be sort of irresponsible to toss that word around.
I can also be responsible to accept that I am pretty much tilted against corporate power. see corporations as able to exist way above enforceable laws and in "cahoots" with the GOP and our lovable Blue Dog Dems. Gotta have the appearance of "bipartisan cooperation".
We know that Big Corp and the GOP are nearly Siamese twins. The revolving door between the 2 entities certainly isn't a theory. It's real. And its a problem.
The GOP has cannabis prohibition as a central feature of their political religion. Your local GOP folks may talk like Ron Paul about pot, but if they are going to rise above state-level and aspire to the Federal Big-Time, they will spout reefer madness. How Ron Paul has existed as a repub for all these years without them getting rid of him is hard to grasp.
Until you bring up racism. The GOP is the party of racism. It's bleached-white. The racist angle is doubtlessly at the core of the GOP's valuing of this prohibition.
Then there's the prison industry, also GOP-connected that is thriving off this being illegal. Private Prisons are big business. Privte prisons run by racists who are ok with incarcerating so many non-white men for no good reason.
It is true that racism has a huge and central role in this ridiculous and stupid state of affairs but the utter usefulness of hemp, historically, the way it can just be grown by anybody with the room to do so, the way it can be had for free - cannot be overlooked or discounted.
All of this is anathema to Capitalism. There will be NOTHING FREE unless you already have more money than God.
I am, in the end, unsure of what is to be gained from trying to minimize the role of corporations in the evolution of Reefer Madness, but there can be no denying that Big Pharma and Big Oil have huge stakes in keeping it illegal, even though I think it is irrational.
It didn't start out this way, perhaps, but it's this way now.
But I totally agree it is ridiculous to posit that relegalized cannabis is going "shut down" any particular corporation. That's stupid too. Won't happen.
If you have a monopoly on this and that comes along and can be used as an altenative, this just became less valuable because of increased supply. The same basic free market stuff spewed endlessly by the Right.
Corporations exist to maximize profit by any means available. Sharing that wealth isn't part of the the plan.
Cannabis prohibition is built on lies and racism and other Puritan bullshit and it has never had the first remotely defensible reason for existence.
So why is it still illegal?
The Democratic party has to be the party to take this on, if for no other reason than to hurt the GOP by taking away this central part of their political muscle. Rightwingers who think the GOP is going to help them relegalize need to be pitied.
Dems will do this by talking about cannabis and relegalization like sane adults (asking a lot, I know) but all they have to do is talk.
When we can talk about this like sane adults, free of propaganda bullshit, we'll "Move America Forward". (heh)
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Posted by: callejero on Feb 21, 2008 7:53 AM
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If you are against stupid drug laws, as I am, you should have left it as "Hearst's fault," instead of arming the novice bigots and racists .
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I hate to pop your little bubble, but the first anti-marijuana law passed in the US was a disorderly conduct-type statute passed in Texas in 1902 and expressly directed at Mexicans. It was thought to be necessary for control, because they were not doing anything wrong.
If you are really interested in this, I suggest you get a copy of the 1972 U. of W. Va. Law Review, fall edition (I think-it's been awhile), and look for an article entitled "The Forbidden Fruit and the Tree of Knowledge" by Prof. Charles Whitebread. It has the real story, well-documented, and Hearst had plenty to do with it.
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Posted by: heide on Feb 21, 2008 8:11 AM
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but deep inside in his most primal self he knows he is NOT
so he FEARS,, and what the white man FEARS must be either CAGED,EXTERMINATED, OR CRIMINALIZED,, since it doesnt fit into his teeny little sick twisted mold of reality
and you might as well face it your penis will never be as big as the black guys next to you
so accept it, get over it,,
admit it was WRONG to ever CIMINALIZE CANNABIS& HEMP IN THE FIRST PLACE
stop the lies
release the medicine
LEGALIZE ALL THINGS HEMP
the white man would destroy the very thing that gives life,then cry when his children are starving
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but deep inside in his most primal self he knows he is NOT
so he FEARS,, and what the white man FEARS must be either CAGED,EXTERMINATED, OR CRIMINALIZED,, since it doesnt fit into his teeny little sick twisted mold of reality
and you might as well face it your penis will never be as big as the black guys next to you
so accept it, get over it,,
admit it was WRONG to ever CIMINALIZE CANNABIS& HEMP IN THE FIRST PLACE
stop the lies
release the medicine
LEGALIZE ALL THINGS HEMP
the white man would destroy the very thing that gives life,then cry when his children are starving
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Posted by: Ellen Remore on Feb 21, 2008 8:55 AM
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As far as the racist factor is concerned, most drug dealers being African-American is roughly the reverse of the truism that rich people don't steal groceries. I.e., most crimes committed by young black men are a manifestation of a virulent phenomenon: this country offers precious few alternatives for inner-city young blacks to make the kind of money our consumer society demands. If they're exceedingly lucky, they can become sports stars or rap stars. Failing that, they can deal drugs, or work two shifts a day flipping burgers at Mickey D's. This, after all, is the Land Of Opportunity.
In addition, if the government would only tell the lobbyists to go to hell, legalize marijuana, and tax it the way it currently taxes cigarettes, the revenue could buy cradle-to-grave health care for every one of us.
Oh, but then, of course, you have the insurance lobby. . .
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Posted by: fsuthai on Feb 21, 2008 9:58 AM
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But I'm certainly not going to try to convince anyone else here; not now (too mellowed out from my smoking porch).
I enjoyed reading the article and assume most of it is accurate historically. However, in addition to your assumption that potheads are, ipso facto, conspiracy buffs, I found some of your statements rather oddly phrased:
Anslinger's other theme was that white girls would be ruined once they'd experienced the lurid pleasures of having a black man's joint in their mouth.
That bastard had a lot of anti-drug themes but I'll bet he never expressed one in quite that manner. It's a shame we don't have our own country somewhere...
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Posted by: nfamous on Feb 21, 2008 10:00 AM
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The 9/11 truth movement is exactly that: about truth. The media has helped the government and corporations cover their tracks by promulgating the idea that conspiracists are loons with no evidence behind what they say. There are some wacky theories out there but the main point is that the official story is complete and utter bullshit. We don't have to prove what actually did happen as long as we know what didn't.
The Twin Towers and WTC7 were imploded beyond any reasonable doubt. We don't know by whom yet and that is precisely why we need a true open and independent investigation into the tragic events of that day. There are over a hundred unanswered questions and the governments has done nothing but stonewall since that day and use fear to justify its illegal preemptive wars. 9/11 was a false flag just like Pearl Harbor and just like the Gulf of Tonkin.
The evidence is out there for people willing to open their minds and realize that our government will do anything to preserve its, not our, way of life, which is global control and ultimately complete depletion of Earth's natural resources. I'm assuming they have a backup plan while they stall for time using global depopulation techniques.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 21, 2008 10:05 AM
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See we have a revolving door with drugs and money. It really does'nt matter what drug it is,hemp or herion, the game is the same.
Firstly it's got to be grown,in the case of hemp,or imported,for heroin. Then you get it into the streets. There with the help of counterfiet cash,it gets spread out. The cops keeping tabs on all this booty,single out the busts. They use the 'funny money' to create buys,make the deal,get the bust, and recycle the whole deal over and over again. The trick is the cops take out the real money and put back the 'funny money' so it all looks good in the courts,skimming the real money all the time.
How come oil hates hemp?
Hemp makes #2 Diesel,
a fuel that could change our concept of fuel economy. Hemp makes bio-diesel,a fuel that can get 150mpg and be a very economical home heating fuel,greatly reducing carbon produced by home heating, hemp oil could even cost less.
The MPG of bio-diesel makes up for the cost. Far better than E-85 fuels which get greatly reduced gas mileage and cost the same. As a 'value' E-85 is bunk!!
Also Hemp smoking,eating and tea servings caise people to become more peaceful. Peaceful is something you can't be in 'War-Time America'
I'm sorry but 'Peaceful' is exactally how we're supposed to live.
Maybe it's time we 'Rolled One for Freedom'
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
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Posted by: Barakis on Feb 21, 2008 10:42 AM
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The government makes it a 'gateway' drug because they have drove it onto the black market.
It's a joke and the politicians are the punch line.
END PROHIBITION NOW!
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Posted by: crazy carlos on Feb 21, 2008 11:38 AM
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The Rockefeller Report echoed the Committee of Fifty's conclusion that the ..... In the 1930s, guided by the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and its chief, ...
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The 1960s
As a result, in coming years there will be even more public discussion and debate about the varieties of drug prohibition and about the alternatives to it. As part of that conversation, many more people will discover that they have lived for decades within a regime of world-wide drug prohibition. That growing understanding will help push global drug prohibition closer to its end.
We are convinced that someday, as Edward Brecher predicted, most Americans will look back on drug prohibition and judge it to have been (like alcohol prohibition) repressive, unjust, expensive and ineffective -- a failure. In the twentieth century, a dozen major scientific commissions in Britain, Canada, and the United States have recommended alternatives to punitive drug policies. The United States is the only nation where these recommendations have been so consistently ignored (Levine, 1994; Trebach and Zeese, 1990). For starters, these recommendations should be more widely discussed and better understood in the United States. The experiences of other nations, regions and cities also provide living examples of decriminalization and harm reduction programs within global drug prohibition. The full range of alternatives to current U.S. drug policy should be studied and debated -- from futuristic visions to pragmatic reforms that could be implemented immediately. For drug policy, as was the case with alcohol policy, discussion of alternatives is an essential part of the transition from prohibition to regulation.
In 1953 I was nearly thrown out of High School because Rockfeller concluded that not to leagalize drugs, particularily M.J. would "lead to a trail of crime unprecedented in Western World history." which I reported in a paper in 11th grade.
This is a must read if anyone wants to get a grip on what the hell is really been tried and conclusions that start at Prohibition in the 20's and 30's to today. Same ole shit. Crazy Carlos
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Posted by: rewassenich on Feb 21, 2008 11:40 AM
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Unfortunately, too many people are out trying to make a name for theselves, or money, with outrageous claims. I'd be a dead man had I followed all the sensational health claims that have appeared.
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Posted by: Stoney 12+1 on Feb 21, 2008 11:52 AM
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I've done PLENTY of research on the subject, and Herrer is right! He stated that racism and Big Money Interests were at the core of marijuana prohibition, and a lot of the same points he made are parroted here!
As to the old sad saw about the stereotypical marijuana user stumbling along forgetting who, or where he is, and what it was that he was supposed to do, that's a bunch of bullshit!
I've been smoking weed since 1973! Do I come across as some kind of lame-brained lunatic? When marijuana is portrayed in the press, or the movie theater, the pot-heads are always portrayed as either lovable fools, or raving lunatics! Get this! Marijuana actually stimulates the brain! It actually causes the brain to regenerate itself! In fact, it's actually being studied as a treatment for Alzheimer's Disease!
It's way past time to legalise marijuana! it doesn't matter who is doing it, why it's being done, or what will be done after the fact! Just do it!!!!
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Posted by: picket on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM
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China is where it is all happening. I think they are the largest exporter of hemp, certainly not a "democracy" but...farmers and factory workers make a living from HEMP...unlike many of our USA farmer/ entrepreneurs.
Info from a 1997 article about Dongping in China. Western investors spent $12 Million to refit a textile factory which became the leading supplier of hemp at that time. It employed 2000 happy workers and the Dongping citizens held a parade and stretched banners across streets, one ...."Welcome to our partners in cannabis production."
http://www.gluckman.com/hemp.html
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That's NOT the only evidence that the administration had prior knowledge and/or some role in the events of 9/11. I know your statement is much more specific than that, and therefore may specifically be true, however, I cannot dismiss that your intent was to suggest that our government had absolutely no role in the events of 9/11. Making this unnecessary and unrelated accusation at the end of your article undermines your credibility and that of your article.
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Posted by: tokendave on Feb 21, 2008 1:04 PM
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A loyal contingent of right-wing bigots still reside in Alberta who use any excuse to imprison those they don't like. Our national Conservative government is currently following the neo-con agenda, parroting tough-on-crime, minimum sentences that have made America the leader worldwide in incarcerating its citizens.
Given the statistics of those in prisons in America for marijuana "crimes", I would say prohibition has evolved more for racial than economical reasons.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Feb 21, 2008 1:18 PM
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I think the author's conflating these two different plants is the basis for some of the arguments made by posters. And it's certainly possible that each is illegal for different reasons.
It's a bit surprising that no one here has brought up the Canadian study that was done several years ago. I found it on the internet and printed it out when I first heard of it, but have been unable to locate it recently. It's been awhile since I read it, but as I recall, it starts out stating the assumption of those who instigated the study that they would prove once and for all how dangerous using marijuana is. However, it is also stated in the introduction that the original assumption was rather conclusively overturned by the evidence.
The report, which is quite long, concludes that marijuana is most definitly not a "gateway" drug and does not lead to violence or crime of any kind. It stated that there are no reported deaths whatsoever from overdoses and that there is not even any documented evidence that driving while high results in more accidents since people tend to be more, not less, cautious. Unlike alcohol. (This last assertion was qualified by the fact that there had really not been any definitive studies done on driving while high on pot without the additional influence of alcohol.)
The final summary of the Canadian government's findings included recommendations for decriminalizing pot. Of course, I read that the US government was very upset about this, which is probably why the report is now so hard to find online.
Marijuana is not like drinking, and it's also not hemp. At the age of 60, I have known dozens, if not hundreds, of people who smoke or ingest pot and also hundreds who drink. I'd rather be around a pot user than a drunk any day. No matter how high a person gets from cannibis, it is unlikely that he or she will be mean. Drinkers tend to get unreasonable pretty quickly. Even the most mild mannered people can be horrid and belligerent when drunk.
Oh - for the record: "it's" is NOT A POSSESSIVE! "It's" is the contraction for "it is."
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Feb 21, 2008 3:28 PM
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I do not deny the author's assertion that racism and social engineering played a large role in creating and perpetuating the myths surrounding cannibis. But I am also convinced that the liquor industry, fearing people would find a replacement for there product, lobbied hard and successfully to promote the "killer weed" myth.
Lately, I think Big Pharma has joined in. Legal pot could put a major dent in the sales of the very profitable drugs currently foisted on the public.
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In 2003, when I was in radiation treatment for cancer, one of my fellow patients who was being treated for pancreatic cancer was having some issues with vomiting, a natural and pervasive side effect of radiation applied to the digestive system. Actually, of course his problem was health coverage, because money was the primary bottleneck. His physician prescribed (medical grade) marijuana as his first choice of anti-emetics, and the bill was $12,000/mo. That's right, TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLARS for ONE MONTH'S TREATMENT.
The chemical anti-emetics I was taking for chemo were cheap at $2,000/mo, but were no doubt hard on my system which has yet to recover, though that is another tirade.
However, I think it is highly probable that Big Pharma would fight to their last ill-gotten patent to prevent grass from being legalized.
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Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:29 PM
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there has been plenty of good information already posted, so i won't repeat it all here.. just wanted to add my voice as a master's degreed historian who has spent a great deal of time researching the history of medical cannabis & hemp and why they continue to be illegal...oh, and just for the record, i'm 43.
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Posted by: guerillaTHOUGHTterrorist on Feb 22, 2008 3:08 AM
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And yet the fact remains that prohibition has benefited criminals of the paper, petrochemical, textile, health, and political industries. This grave, mis-allocation of resources to fight a mythical scourge only limits the progress of our society, while criminals of industry and politicians benefit from consistently bloating federal funding, leaving us Americans to foot the bill. Drug dealers are empowered by an artificially inflated demand and our most destitute civilians (people like the ones Jesus came to save) eat stray bullets for dessert.
If cannabis really is the demon it is portrayed as, the government would tell us the truth about it because all this useless propaganda is turning your children into cynics who will never again believe what they are told again.
One thing I've learned in my own personal search for the Truth is that the past may as well be a myth. The same goes for the future. How we proceed from the present is the only reality we have left to cling to. If corporations want a say in politics (the same goes for the church) shouldn't they pay taxes like the rest of us freedom loving Americans? Besides, hemp and cannabis have been used for thousands of years, yet for the past 70 years under prohibition we've witnessed a steady decline in our society.
For some reason, alarm bells are ringing.
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Posted by: roadrunner on Feb 22, 2008 3:21 AM
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It was perfect.
We need to hear more about this interesting issue: Why potheads are wrong about why their pot is illegal.
You continue to keep them distracted, while I send my new apprentice, Darth Maul, to build more prison camps in which to incarcerate them.
Soon, the queen will sign our treaty, and I shall become Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic!
Mwa! Ha! Ha! Ha! Haaaaaaa!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Feb 22, 2008 7:40 AM
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any ONE of these premises does not exclude the others from potentially valid possibility.
OF COURSE RACISM WAS A VALID *EXCUSE*: Mexicans, Chinese railworkers...
I mean, honestly, *this* coming from a nation that still hangs nooses & torches churches... & the prison industry sure generates some nasty race-oriented hate gangs.
...but there is nothing that indicates any ONE ugliness prevents the others from motivating a hate-based legislation.
Does the Author work for a corporation of some involvement or something?
I mean, take a look at the legacy of the Civil War & the later Western Expansion (coyly called "Manifest Destiny" or "Die Injun"): the poisonous economy & corporate culture of the WORLD has been influenced by the American need to rebuild the South:
- sugar
- oil
- tobacco
- cotton
...& the nasty legislation & 'foreign policies' that drive supporting them...
Hemp cultivation is *freedom* from cancerous American corporate 'do as I say or catch a rubber bullet' culture.
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The processing of nitrating cellulose into explosives is very similar to the process for nitrating cellulose into synthetic fibers and plastics. Rayon, the first synthetic fiber, is simply stabilized guncotton, or nitrated cloth, the basic explosive of the 19th century.
“Synthetic plastics find application in fabricating a wide variety of articles, many of which in the past were made from natural products,” beamed Lammot DuPont (Popular Mechanics, June 1939).
“Consider our natural resources,” the president of DuPont continued, “The chemist has aided in conserving natural resources by developing synthetic products to supplement or wholly replace natural products.”
DuPont’s scientists were the world’s leading researchers into the processes of nitrating cellulose and were in fact the largest processor of cellulose in the nation in this era.
The February 1938 Popular Mechanics article stated “Thousands of tons of hemp hurds are used every year by one large powder company for the manufacture of dynamite and TNT.” History shows that DuPont had largely cornered the market in explosives by buying up and consolidating the smaller blasting companies in the late 1800s. By 1902 it controlled about two-thirds of industry output.
They were the largest powder company, supplying 40% of the munitions for the allies in WWI. As cellulose and fiber researchers, DuPont’s chemists knew hemp’s true value better than anyone else. The value of hemp goes far beyond line fibers; although recognized for linen, canvas, netting and cordage, these long fibers are only 20% of the hemp stalk’s weight. Eighty percent of the hemp is in the 77% cellulose hurd, and this was the most abundant, cleanest resource of cellulose (fiber) for paper, plastics and even rayon.
The empirical evidence in this book shows that the federal government – through the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act – allowed this munitions maker to supply synthetic fibers for the domestic economy without competition. The proof of a successful conspiracy among these corporate and governing interests is simply this: in 1997 DuPont was still the largest producer of man-made fibers, while no American citizen has legally harvested a single acre of textile grade hemp in over 60 years (except during the period of WWII).
An almost unlimited tonnage of natural fiber and cellulose would have become available to the American farmer in 1937, the year DuPont patented Nylon and the polluting wood-pulp paper sulfide process. All of hemp’s potential value was lost.
Simple plastics of the early 1900s were made of nitrated cellulose, directly related to DuPont’s munitions-making process. Celluloid, acetate and rayon were the simple plastics of that era, and hemp was well known to cellulose researchers as the premier resource for this new industry to use. Worldwide, the raw material of simple plastics, rayon and paper could be best supplied by hemp hurds.
Nylon fibers were developed between 1926-1937 by the noted Harvard chemist Wallace Carothers, working from German patents. These polyamides are long fibers based on observed natural products. Carothers, supplied with an open-ended research grant from DuPont, made a comprehensive study of natural cellulose fibers. He duplicated natural fibers in his labs and polyamides – long fibers of a specific chemical process – were developed. (Curiously, Wallace Carothers committed suicide in April of 1937, one week after the House Ways and Means Committee had the hearings on cannabis. (Read more at www.jackherer.com)
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Posted by: davesilvan on Feb 22, 2008 5:40 PM
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Had cannabis been useful for all it's purposes and *not* been a mild intoxicant brought into the country by minorities, it would still have been outlawed but Uncle Sam would have had to come up with a new reason to discriminate.
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Just keep up the pressure. Debunk this that or the other thing all day long and it does nothing much.. well, other than get you all revved up once in a while. Smoke it, drink it, lick it, sniff it, eat it. You know, like war.
It may be a good time though for some smart tobacco folks to step up to the lobby plate and keep those rolling machines in business.
"Can I have a pack of.. " Yeah.
Oh, yeah, and what about the government apparently telling subsidized farmers to ... ignore hemp then? Can't grow it. Can't ever have grown it. Can't ever plan to grow it and don't talk about it and don't ask questions. Don't even THINK about it.
What's up with that then? Racism? Hm.. must be.
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I think that is the core of why hemp and marijuana were made illegal.
I would also bet many countries out there are using hemp in the production of their currencies.
Make hemp impossible to obtain and you've got a ready defense against counterfeiting.
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But 70 years later, racism is hardly the primary reason to continue the prohibition of cannabis. There's no reason to justify continued prohibittion of marijuana -- except to deny the tobacco industry new competition.
With the jury still out on whether smoking marijuana causes the deadly ailments that tobacco smoking has long been proven to cause, the tobacco companies can ill-afford the competition from legalized cannabis.
The tobacco companies' opposition to cannabis legalization is downright stupid, for they could rake in billions by growing marijuana instead of tobacco. But Corporate America has never been known for looking long-term.
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Posted by: John Thomas on Feb 24, 2008 1:08 AM
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The main point to draw from marijuana prohibition's history is there was never a good reason to persecute innocent consumers.
It's clear the people are ready for this injustice to end. Hopefully, it still matters what the people want.
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Listen to Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott and others of their ilk talk about how they want to stomp out, kill and eliminate the influence of the "60s" on American culture. The war on drugs is their number one weapon. It is, was a culture war.
My only problem with the article was the references to the "conspiracists" ... as though they are somehow one tribe. One thought. One set of issues. As with any theories, there are always those in the extreme. And the Ron Paul crowd is kind of emblematic of this. They see his finer points but choose to ignore his other faults...like women's rights, his, no government is the cure...libertarian overkill... etc. etc.
The drug war is a big conspiracy. Call it what you like, but it is people conspiring through race and culture war language, and laws that uphold this philosophy that is keeping pot illegal. Today. Not yesterday. But today. It is a conspiracy to silence the 60s culture and its influences of god, forbid, freedom, and the "pusuit of happiness."
But a good article on a topic that needs to be told to the Ron Paul'ers and the Hearst conspiracy tale tellers. Again, the Hearst conspiracy might have been in play in the 30s and 40s, but a larger, more complext attack on Hemp and Pot is based on culture and racist control of our society.
Thanks.
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Hemp and Marijuana:
Myths & Realities
by David P. West, Ph.D.
for the North American Industrial Hemp Council.
However, as I have already said it is hard to know what is actual fact as no true in-depth scientific research can be done with out legal ramifications with hemp and/or marijuana being classified Schedule I. Though I must refer back to my original point and that is the lack of questioning and utter acceptance of hemp and marijuana being classified as one in the same. It seems that it is at least time to begin to ask these questions and find out the real answers. The only way for that to be done is to reclassify hemp and/or marijuana as a Schedule II to at least begin to get some real honest research.
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For the last 35 years, my friends, the late Captain Ed Adair, Buddy
Duzy, George Clayton Johnson, and I realized that only Hemp could save
the World! We set out to teach the world all the things about Hemp
that had been covered up by our own government!
All the people who have read my book, or read it online, or other Hemp
books, realized that Hemp is the only thing to reverse the Greenhouse
Effect! Only solar, wind, geothermal and Hemp, etc. can save the
world. Fossil fuels (oil, coal, and natural gas) will be a thing of
the past.
Virtually all trees will be left in the ground forever. We only have
4% of the trees left, by volume and weight, on Earth as we did 125
years ago." (end part one)
SamFox
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the Greenhouse effect!! Remember, we have 4% of trees now, and getting
smaller!
Houses and building materials are being made from Hemp, including
fiber board, wallboard, paneling, insulation, wood-like beams
(stronger than wood).
Hemp seeds are the 1 healthiest food on Earth, with complete globular
protein edestins; essential fatty acids, linoleic and linolenic, in
the best form on EARTH!
30% or more of all medicines (125 years ago) were made from Cannabis.
In the near future, 30% or more of medicines will be made from natural
Hemp/Marijuana. In 6,000 years of recorded history, there has never
been one death due to Cannabis Hemp - unless they were shot by a COP!
60% to 80% of everything was made from Cannabis Hemp 6,000 years ago
up until around 100 years ago: for example, clothes, rugs, drapes,
curtains, diapers, canvas, string, rope, sails, houses, cars, etc... I
did not learn one word about Hemp in grade school, high school or
college!
Isn't it strange that the 1 medicine, the 1 fiber, the 1 food, the 1
fuel, the 1 paper and the 1 substitute for wood can be made from Hemp
and it is illegal!! Doesn't it make you mad as hell! You live longer
if you use Cannabis Hemp internally. You live about 2 years longer on
life if you smoke a little in the morning and a little at night. If
you smoke and also eat the seeds you live about 3-4 years longer on
top of that.
It is the healthiest plant for the ground and air. Cannabis Hemp is
the only known plant that can be grown from the Equator to the Arctic
and Antarctic Circles; from the mountains to the valleys, from the
oceans to the plains, including arid lands and everywhere in between.
Cannabis Hemp is the healthiest plant for the ground out of the
300,000 known species, and the millions and millions of subspecies of
plants on Earth, because it has a root system that grows 10 to 12
inches in 30 days compared to one inch for rye, barley grass, etc. The
roots penetrate up to 3, 6 and even 10 feet deep, pulverizing the soil
and making it arable. After harvest it leaves a root system that is
mulched into the ground, revitalizing the land and making it live once
again. It is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plant life.
(End part two)
SamFox
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Health Initiative on the state's ballot for November 2008. This will
repeal criminal and civil penalties for Cannabis and ban drug testing
for metabolites. It will decriminalize the cultivation, distribution,
and possession of Hemp entirely!
One provision in the petition will order the immediate release from
jail and prison of all non-violent Cannabis Hemp offenders. Including
27,000 or more Californians that violated probation or parole for
positive metabolites from marijuana. The initiative needs 434,000
valid signatures to qualify for the ballot (750,000 all together);
signature gathering continues through April 15, 2008.
This initiative will legalize Cannabis Hemp, within the state of
California, for (a) industrial products, (b) medicinal preparations,
(c) nutritional products, (d) religious and spiritual products, and
(e) recreational and euphoric use 21 and older, with no restrictions,
and no one will ever go to jail again because of it.
It provides for amnesty, immediate release from prison, jail, parole,
and probation, and clearing, expungement, and deletion of all criminal
records for all persons currently charged with, or convicted of any
non-violent Cannabis Hemp marijuana offense.
This initiative protects jobs of medicinal Cannabis patients and other
Cannabis users. It prohibits the testing for inert and/or residual
Cannabis metabolites for the purpose of employment or other impairment.
California Cannabis Hemp and Health Initiative 2008
California Ballot Recipient Committee 1303604
We are looking for 100,000 sponsors and contributors, but will accept
a million, to help us to immediately fund our paid petitioner account.
100% of all funds will be used to buy validated signatures until we
qualify, then we will use the extra money for the November 2008
elections and we will teach the people of California that all the
things I said in this letter, and The Emperor Wears No Clothes was
true. Paid petitioners are currently circulating our petition and we
need to keep them working. Your generous support is needed and very
much appreciated. We don't have the money! We need the money now! We
only have 8 weeks to go.
SamFox
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CCHHI08 - P.O. Box 6733 - Westlake Village, CA 91359.
Please make sure that your address and phone number are written or
printed on checks.
Contributions over $100 must also include your employer (campaign
reform disclosure requirements).
Info for Wire Transfers:
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A few of my friends and I have sponsored 16 initiatives in California,
Oregon, Washington and Alaska. We got 8 of them on the ballot, with 5
of them passing. We have never asked for money in 35 years. We used
our own money entirely. We need your money to get it on the ballot
this time. If you don't, I still have 16 years left. Many of my
friends said to wait until 2012, but most of you will be out of a job
by then because of the Supreme Court of California's new decision
January 24th, 2008, almost a month ago, for all California people,
with doctors note or not, to lose their jobs without any recourse or
compensation. We ask that you donate now, as we are quickly running
out of time. Thank you. Get the money sent now, spread the word to
every one you know to help us out!!! Use your computers and phones!!
EVERYBODY! GET THE WORD OUT!!!
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I guess Jack is not so bad after all!!
SamFox
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http://www.calhemp08.org
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SamFox
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