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Let Afghanistan Grow the World's Opium Supply
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The current dilemma for the U.S., NATO and the Karzai government is clear. The best way to reduce opium production in Afghanistan is with an aggressive campaign of aerial fumigation -- but that would cause massive economic dislocation and even starvation in a country where the opium trade accounts for roughly one-third of GDP. The second best, now under way, is manual eradication, but the result this past year was a net increase in opium production nationwide. Either way, these options play very much into the hands of the Taliban, who gain politically wherever farmers fear or witness the destruction of their livelihoods.
But imagine if the entire crop could be eliminated by a natural disaster such as a drought or blight. The United States, NATO and the Karzai government would be blameless -- although no doubt many Afghans would blame the CIA -- a reasonable suspicion given support in some U.S. circles for researching and employing biological warfare in the form of mycoherbicides. The Taliban would suffer doubly, losing both revenue and political advantage. And the United States and NATO could follow up emergency assistance with investment in alternative agriculture and economic development without having to compete with black market opium. Outside Afghanistan, heroin would become scarcer and more expensive; fewer people would start to use; and more addicts would seek treatment. Seems like an ideal scenario, right?
Think again. Within Afghanistan, the principal beneficiaries would be the warlords and other black market entrepreneurs whose stockpiles of opium would shoot up in value. Millions of Afghan peasants would flock to cities ill prepared for them, with all sorts of attendant social problems. And many would eagerly return to their farms next year to start growing opium again, utilizing guerrilla farming methods to escape intensified eradication efforts. But now they'd be competing with poor farmers elsewhere in the world -- in Central Asia, Latin America or even Africa -- attracted by the temporarily high return on opium. This is, after all, a global commodities market like any other.
And outside Afghanistan? Higher heroin prices typically translate into higher rates of crime by addicts working to support their habits. They also invite more cost-effective but dangerous means of consumption, such as switching from smoking to injecting heroin, which translates into higher rates of HIV. And many drug users will simply switch to pharmaceutical opioids or stimulants like cocaine and methamphetamine. All things considered, wiping out opium in Afghanistan would yield far fewer benefits than is commonly assumed.
So what's the solution?
Some have revived an idea first proposed during the 1970s when southeast Asia supplied most of the world's heroin: Just buy up all the opium in Afghanistan -- which would cost a lot less than is now being spent trying to eradicate it. That might provide a one-year jolt, but over time it would simply become a price support system, inviting farmers inside Afghanistan to save a portion for the black market and others outside Afghanistan to start growing opium. Then there's the Senlis Council's "Poppy for Medicine" proposal, which would license Afghan villages to grow opium and convert it into morphine tablets for domestic and international markets. It's been widely criticized as unworkable -- but the same can be said of current policies.
Or, given that farmers are going to produce opium -- somehow, somewhere -- so long as the global demand for heroin persists, maybe the world is better off, all things considered, with 90 percent of it coming from Afghanistan. Think of international drug control as a global vice control challenge, and the opium growing regions of the country as the equivalent of a "red light" zone. The United States, NATO and the Karzai government could then focus on "regulating" the illicit market and manipulating the participants with the objective of advancing broader political and economic objectives. They might even find ways to tax the illicit trade.
This is one of those proposals that sounds unworkable -- until it's compared with all the others. It surely wouldn't be the first time U.S. or other government officials have gotten their hands dirty dealing with criminal entrepreneurs to advance broader political objectives. And if this particular heresy becomes the new gospel, it opens up all sorts of possibilities for pursuing a new policy in Afghanistan that reconciles the interests of the United States, NATO, the Karzai government and millions of Afghan citizens.
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Posted by: picket on Aug 31, 2007 7:05 AM
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80% of the USA taxpayers will still foot the bill.
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Posted by: drblack on Aug 31, 2007 8:17 AM
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I find it sad anddisturbing that people think that opiates themselves cause big problems in a persons life if they take them. It is the fact that they are illegal that causes asll the problems. Opiates are non-toxic. They are very addictive. A person will go to incredible lengths to stop the hell of opiate withdrawal.
The ravaging effects are caused by, malnutrition, dirty needles and unsterile injection practices, impure drugs, etc.
If food cost $1000 per meal and was illegal we would all look ravaged.
Observing opiate addicts in an environment where they are illegal has no bearing on the real effects of opiates.
Look at the research and work of Alfred Lindsmith for some facts on opiate addiction.
People can and do lead normal and productive lives addicted to opiatesif they have a cheap consistent supply of opiates .
Dr William Halstead is a great example. he is called the Father of Modern Surgery because he invented many basic surgical techniques, many in use today. He needed at least 240 milligrams of morphine injected daily to function.
There are people who use drugs to escape life, just as people use video games shopping, sex etc. to escape from life.
Moderation is the key.
Illegal drugs cause violence, government and police corruption, etc.
We will have a much better world when we go back to the way the world was until 102 years ago and make all drugs freely and cheaply available.
Untill then the death and destruction will continue.
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Aug 31, 2007 8:49 AM
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Now that the poppies are growing again, no politician anywhere in the world cares what else happens.
Heroin is only one of many opium derivatives. Most are used legally.
The western world -- and especially its armies -- cannot operate for a day without plentiful supplies of opium.
There is probably not one western infantryman in the world who would go into action unless there is a combat medic close by with a satchel full of morphine.
Wall Street can't function for five minutes without headache pills, sedatives, tranquilizers etc.
Every day, thousands of surgeons, dentists, lawyers, politicians, priests need opium in one form or other to get through their day.
Without heroin, the mob would be powerless and poor.
Without the mob's largess, thousands of cops would throw away their badges and put their guns to work in straight banditry.
Opium from Afghanistan and oil from Iraq and the west can just function. Without them, we're out of action.
Ever since the British Empire seized Bengal for its opium crops, this magical medicine and its derived damaging drugs have dominated world politics -- even more than oil.
The slave colony of New South Wales was set up in 1788 to build the world’s biggest naval base and army barracks in order to protect Britain’s Opium Fleet from pirates and from the fleets of royal rivals.
In 1757, the armed might of the world’s most bloodthirsty – and thus most successful -- pirates, invaded Bengal and carried out a Coup, making the British East India (read Opium) Company the defacto sovereign power in Bengal through its puppet, the Bengal Presidency, established by 1765 and eventually including all British territories north of the Central Provinces (now Madhya Pradesh), from the mouths of the Ganges and the Brahmaputra to the Himalayas and the Punjab
The French East India (read Opium) Company sent a small contingent to fight against the British Opium Company.
Both these Opium Companies were pale imitations of the Dutch East India (Opium) Company, the founder of the curse of Capitalism, the first multinational corporation in the world to issue public stock. For almost two centuries, it paid its stockholders an annual dividend of 18%.
The British East India Company, "John Company", was the first joint-stock company, granted an English Royal Charter by Elizabeth I on December 31, 1600. The Royal Charter gave the Honourable East India Company (HEIC) a 21 year monopoly on all trade (Opium) in the Indies. The Company transformed from a commercial trading venture to one that virtually ruled most of the world as it acquired auxiliary governmental and military functions.
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Posted by: janvdb on Aug 31, 2007 8:50 AM
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But creating drug-money-fueled mafias which threaten legitimate governments in Columbia, Afghanistan and Mexico does not solve addiction. It merely creates another monster living off addiction -- drug mafias, many large and rich enough to challenge national governments.
Addicts will be addicts. They aren't deterred by the illegality of their chosen method of oblivion and early death.
Making heroin and poppy-growing illegal merely sends the torrents of money wrung from addicts into the coffers of mafias and terrorists. Mafias and terrorists are then attacked by US-funded governments, ripping nations in two. On one side is the "legitimate" US-back government. On the other side are the mafias and warlords who are protecting the peasants' only way to survive.
Guess who is going to win?
The simple fact is, for remote areas with poor roads, drugs are the only product which is sufficiently high-value and compact enough to be a viable export. You cannot produce tomatoes for market in a place from which it takes two weeks to haul produce on llamas and donkeys to the nearest consumer.
The peasants will do what they must to eat. The mafias will exploit and protect them.
We attack their only mode of survival.
It's civil war. This war is ripping up Columbia, Bolivia, Mexico, Afghanistan . . .
We need to create programs which provide controlled access to free heroin for registered addicts, just as Holland has. We would license large regions of Afghanistan to produce the product legally, then regulate and tax the supply conduits.
This would starve the Taliban of income. All that tax money would flow to Karzai. Entire regions of Afghanistan could be wrested from the control of anti-government warlords.
There is plenty of evidence showing that declines and increases in the price of drugs has very little impact on the quantity consumed. The price of cocaine has collapsed by half in the past 20 years while the quantity consumed has hardly increased. The same has happened with the advent of "Mexican Mud" into the heroin markets. The same is now happening with the entry of pharmaceutical-grade Mexican-produced meth.
People aren't going to decide to corrode their noses and veins, destroy their careers, alienate their lovers and children, lose their homes, rot out their teeth, live in the gutter and die on a pile of rags under a bridge because the price of doing so has dropped 30% or so. Or because the possibility of being tossed in jail for self-immolation has been removed.
The war on drugs has been a total failure.
We have seen the havoc wreaked on Columbia. We are now watching our "war on drugs" rot out the political culture of Mexico and fuel the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Will we never learn?
Jan VanDenBerg
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"Until recently, it was believed that the liver always handles alcohol in the same way. But new research shows that a different scenario occurs among certain alcoholics and children of alcoholics with no drinking experience. Their livers change alcohol into acetaldehyde at twice the normal rate, while the subsequent conversion of acetaldehyde into acetic acid is abnormally slow and takes twice as long as usual."
"The accumulation of acetaldehyde damages liver cells, which become abnormally large as they strive to get rid of the accumulated acetaldehyde. This damage affects the liver's ability to absorb and utilize the nutrients needed for good health. To make matters worse, excess acetaldehyde escapes the liver and travels through the bloodstream to the heart, where it can be very damaging (it interferes with the protein synthesis of the heart muscle). It also reaches the brain, where it blocks proper neurotransmitter action in creating normal feelings, behavior, and memory."
"The unused natural neurotransmitters begin to build up and combine with the acetaldehyde to form potent psychoactive compounds called tetrahydroisoquinolines (THIQs), which are remarkable similar to opiates. THIQs fit in the same receptor sites in the brain as natural pain killing chemicals called endorphins and such narcotics as morphine and heroin."
The point here is that opiate addiction should be treated as a health problem, not a crime - just as alcoholism is. Everyone knows that alcohol prohibition didn't work. It's also clear that the alcohol industry relies heavily on alcoholics for their profit margins - and the pharma industry makes a lot of money off their opiate derivatives as well.
Some of the best treatments for alcoholics include switching to cannabis, and also taking milk thistle (a widely recognized liver protecting herb). See also this interesting article: LSD helps alcoholics put down the botttle, Independent, Oct 11, 2006. However, these effective treatments have been criminalized by the FDA and the DEA for political purposes.
The major sources of opiate addiction in the US today are heroin importers and the pharmaceutical industry, who markets Oxycontin, Dilaudid, Lortab, Percodan, Tylox, Percocet, Darvocet, Vicodin etc. to the public - a market worth billions - and the 'narcotic addiction treatment programs' are worth additional billions. Big Pharma wants to keep people addicted - it's good for the profit margin.
It's time to end all drug prohibition in the United States, and time to start treating all drug addiction the same way we treat alcohol and nicotine addiction.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 31, 2007 11:10 AM
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Nadelmann rightly points out it would evolve into a price support system, but isn't the War on Drugs just a far more expensive security state support system?
2) Better idea: The Cheney Doctrine
The US government can't contract a US corporation to spray pesticides over opium poppies unless the CIA-authorized NSRO satellite images indicate an actual presence of opium poppies.
Why not secretly outsource NSRO satellite imagery management to another US corporation, and secretly alter the before-spraying and after-spraying images to make the spraying contractor look good? Why, they wouldn't even have to do any spraying - just run third world brothels and raise hell every few months like they always have.
Everyone (who counts) wins.
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Posted by: ken_sailor on Aug 31, 2007 11:39 AM
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The surprising truth of democracy and freedom is that when you give a person responsibility for their own life, they do a better job with it than when you tell them what to do. Furthermore, social norms are far more effective than the government when it comes to controlling human behavior. Heroin will never be a greater danger than it is right now simply because the drug war makes things worse not better.
Yes, legalize, regulate and provide help for those who want help.
And then what? Then a large source of cash for the most desperate of the world dries up and places like Afghanistan are not battlegrounds because bullets are expensive.
I often wonder if both the U.S. government and its enemies are in complete agreement on the drug war specifically because both depend on the underground flow of cash funding suffering and terror.
If you want a world with less suffering, legalize.
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Posted by: DCBeltway on Aug 31, 2007 2:16 PM
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The Senlis Council is an international policy think tank with offices in Kabul, London, Paris and Brussels. The Council’s work encompasses foreign policy, security, development and counter-narcotics policies and aims to provide innovative analysis and proposals within these areas. The extensive programme currently underway in Afghanistan focuses on global policy development in conjunction with field research to investigate the relationship between counter-narcotics, military, and development policies and their consequences on Afghanistan’s reconstruction efforts. Senlis Afghanistan has field offices in the Afghan cities of Lashkar Gah and Kandahar.
The Senlis Council was established in 2002 as a European-based organisation devoted to drug policy. Its papers and statements, produced by a circle of internal and external medical and policy experts, have consistently argued that drug addiction should be treated as a public health matter and not a purely as a criminal matter. The Senlis Council holds that drug consumption and its related issues – such the spread of bloodborne diseases (HIV, Hepatitis C) through the sharing of infected drug administration equipment – should be treated with health-based policies such as clean needle exchange and safe injection sites, but has never called for the decriminalisation of illegal drugs.
Some time after the launch of the United Nations-mandated war in Afghanistan in 2001, The Senlis Council became increasingly devoted to the issue of Opium production in Afghanistan, which the organisation sees as the key to unlocking the security, reconstruction, and development impasse in the war-torn country. Senlis has proposed for the international community to support a poppy-for-medicine opium licensing scheme in Afghanistan, in which Afghan village-produced opium-based painkillers, such as morphine and codeine, would be sold to other developing countries which currently have little or no access to these essential medicines through preferential trade agreements.
In 2006, The Senlis Council expanded its subject area to security and development in general, and Afghanistan in particular.
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Posted by: bigbad on Aug 31, 2007 3:32 PM
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The CIA has long partnered with these warlords to create trouble for the Soviet Union, and later the newly independent states around the Caspian Sea in order to gain control of the vast oil wealth there for U.S. corporations. The drugs financed the war operations "off the books", so that the U.S. Congress (and you and me) could be kept out of the loop.
Per Peter Dale Scott, in "The Road to 9/11", introduction:
"...a CIA habit of turning to drug-supported, off-the-books assets for fighting wars - in Indochina and the South China Sea in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s; in Afghanistan and Central America in the 1980s; in Colombia in the 1990s; and again in Afghanistan in 2001. As I have written elsewhere, nearly all these wars were in defense of the overseas interests or aspirations of major U.S. oil companies."
See also McCoy, "Politics of Herion", and Scott, "Drugs, Oil and War".
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 31, 2007 7:26 PM
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Of course the laws are broken. But compared to the consequences of prohibition, the harmful consequences are miniscule. They are personal tragedies rather than public corruption.
Organized crime thrived during the 1920s alcohol prohibition in the US. It grew from just neighborhood crime to big business, off the income from bootlegging. Currently, organized crime thrives from the prohibition of drugs. When there's money to be made, someone will take the risk, whatever it is. So we have street crime at high levels.
It is a mistake, however, to deal with such problems in isolation from the larger context of social oppression and international violence. Lack of health care, AIDS, lack of sanitary conditions, clean water, overcrowding of cities, and on and on all play into the problem.
If we do not make the changes we see coming at us, they will overwhelm us. I have not heard serious talk about making changes since 1972. 35 years of conservative neglect making the same mistakes over and over again has raised the danger level to unimagined proportions. Talk about "unworkable;" that's what denial is all about.
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Posted by: drblack on Sep 2, 2007 1:50 AM
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Plus any drug can be made synthetically so destroying plants won't work.
There have been and always will be those who use intoxicants...the vast majority will always use them in a life enhancing and non-detrimental way.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 5, 2007 6:20 PM
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but is anybody listening?
only vaguely.
but then, we're 90% of the reason they suffer, aren't we?
the Conservative asks: why should the Westernized 'G8' give a damn?
ah, weeeeellllll...
if COMPASSION or ALTRUISM isn't a big enough motivator for Busheviks or Randian Objectivists...
there is that nasty big ass DEBT that somebody is eventually gonna ask for...
What was it that Dennis Miller once snarled about debtor nations? "show me a deuce, something... "
China's Full Court Press: stepping up The Peoples' Global Image
ThisCanadian must ask...
in a World where MSM trumpets that governments are corporate entities & citizens are CONSUMERS...
what is NATIONALITY if it isn't MARKETING??
well, even China has recognized what charity work can do for one's image in the *rest* of the UN... apparently, PNAC forgot that there is a judging Peanut Gallery... or they think the ButlerClass doesn't care what the *rest* of us think...
what was it the Genius Chris Rock once paraphrased? "behind every Great Fortune is a Great Crime... "
think about it...
we allow the USA to tell every other nation that **natural** healthcare is illegal & immoral.
a terrorist activity, no less.
yet... what is the US gov't if it is not the strongarm for BigPharm, BigTobacco... & BigCotton??
isn't the economic protectionism of the post-Civil War South just getting a bit out-of-hand??
why should OTHERS SUFFER becauase the United States Republicans don't really want to think its kind to let Granny die with a buzz on to overcome the viceral jungle of cancer in her bones...
wouldn't want that. that would be drug use.
let's just sell 'em some ,i>OxyContin, instead...
we don't need no stink'n healthcare, so let's be sure nobody else does...
ah, if they get sick?... let 'em die if nobody can make money off their riddled resource...
Spread Love...
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» See the British Spirit Aid proposal to switch to hemp production in Afghanistan:
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80% of the USA taxpayers will still foot the bill.
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» Legitimate Business CEOs aren't involved. Illegal "Business Syndicate" are and they are criminals.
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Posted by: drblack on Aug 31, 2007 8:17 AM
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I find it sad anddisturbing that people think that opiates themselves cause big problems in a persons life if they take them. It is the fact that they are illegal that causes asll the problems. Opiates are non-toxic. They are very addictive. A person will go to incredible lengths to stop the hell of opiate withdrawal.
The ravaging effects are caused by, malnutrition, dirty needles and unsterile injection practices, impure drugs, etc.
If food cost $1000 per meal and was illegal we would all look ravaged.
Observing opiate addicts in an environment where they are illegal has no bearing on the real effects of opiates.
Look at the research and work of Alfred Lindsmith for some facts on opiate addiction.
People can and do lead normal and productive lives addicted to opiatesif they have a cheap consistent supply of opiates .
Dr William Halstead is a great example. he is called the Father of Modern Surgery because he invented many basic surgical techniques, many in use today. He needed at least 240 milligrams of morphine injected daily to function.
There are people who use drugs to escape life, just as people use video games shopping, sex etc. to escape from life.
Moderation is the key.
Illegal drugs cause violence, government and police corruption, etc.
We will have a much better world when we go back to the way the world was until 102 years ago and make all drugs freely and cheaply available.
Untill then the death and destruction will continue.
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Aug 31, 2007 8:49 AM
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Now that the poppies are growing again, no politician anywhere in the world cares what else happens.
Heroin is only one of many opium derivatives. Most are used legally.
The western world -- and especially its armies -- cannot operate for a day without plentiful supplies of opium.
There is probably not one western infantryman in the world who would go into action unless there is a combat medic close by with a satchel full of morphine.
Wall Street can't function for five minutes without headache pills, sedatives, tranquilizers etc.
Every day, thousands of surgeons, dentists, lawyers, politicians, priests need opium in one form or other to get through their day.
Without heroin, the mob would be powerless and poor.
Without the mob's largess, thousands of cops would throw away their badges and put their guns to work in straight banditry.
Opium from Afghanistan and oil from Iraq and the west can just function. Without them, we're out of action.
Ever since the British Empire seized Bengal for its opium crops, this magical medicine and its derived damaging drugs have dominated world politics -- even more than oil.
The slave colony of New South Wales was set up in 1788 to build the world’s biggest naval base and army barracks in order to protect Britain’s Opium Fleet from pirates and from the fleets of royal rivals.
In 1757, the armed might of the world’s most bloodthirsty – and thus most successful -- pirates, invaded Bengal and carried out a Coup, making the British East India (read Opium) Company the defacto sovereign power in Bengal through its puppet, the Bengal Presidency, established by 1765 and eventually including all British territories north of the Central Provinces (now Madhya Pradesh), from the mouths of the Ganges and the Brahmaputra to the Himalayas and the Punjab
The French East India (read Opium) Company sent a small contingent to fight against the British Opium Company.
Both these Opium Companies were pale imitations of the Dutch East India (Opium) Company, the founder of the curse of Capitalism, the first multinational corporation in the world to issue public stock. For almost two centuries, it paid its stockholders an annual dividend of 18%.
The British East India Company, "John Company", was the first joint-stock company, granted an English Royal Charter by Elizabeth I on December 31, 1600. The Royal Charter gave the Honourable East India Company (HEIC) a 21 year monopoly on all trade (Opium) in the Indies. The Company transformed from a commercial trading venture to one that virtually ruled most of the world as it acquired auxiliary governmental and military functions.
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Posted by: janvdb on Aug 31, 2007 8:50 AM
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But creating drug-money-fueled mafias which threaten legitimate governments in Columbia, Afghanistan and Mexico does not solve addiction. It merely creates another monster living off addiction -- drug mafias, many large and rich enough to challenge national governments.
Addicts will be addicts. They aren't deterred by the illegality of their chosen method of oblivion and early death.
Making heroin and poppy-growing illegal merely sends the torrents of money wrung from addicts into the coffers of mafias and terrorists. Mafias and terrorists are then attacked by US-funded governments, ripping nations in two. On one side is the "legitimate" US-back government. On the other side are the mafias and warlords who are protecting the peasants' only way to survive.
Guess who is going to win?
The simple fact is, for remote areas with poor roads, drugs are the only product which is sufficiently high-value and compact enough to be a viable export. You cannot produce tomatoes for market in a place from which it takes two weeks to haul produce on llamas and donkeys to the nearest consumer.
The peasants will do what they must to eat. The mafias will exploit and protect them.
We attack their only mode of survival.
It's civil war. This war is ripping up Columbia, Bolivia, Mexico, Afghanistan . . .
We need to create programs which provide controlled access to free heroin for registered addicts, just as Holland has. We would license large regions of Afghanistan to produce the product legally, then regulate and tax the supply conduits.
This would starve the Taliban of income. All that tax money would flow to Karzai. Entire regions of Afghanistan could be wrested from the control of anti-government warlords.
There is plenty of evidence showing that declines and increases in the price of drugs has very little impact on the quantity consumed. The price of cocaine has collapsed by half in the past 20 years while the quantity consumed has hardly increased. The same has happened with the advent of "Mexican Mud" into the heroin markets. The same is now happening with the entry of pharmaceutical-grade Mexican-produced meth.
People aren't going to decide to corrode their noses and veins, destroy their careers, alienate their lovers and children, lose their homes, rot out their teeth, live in the gutter and die on a pile of rags under a bridge because the price of doing so has dropped 30% or so. Or because the possibility of being tossed in jail for self-immolation has been removed.
The war on drugs has been a total failure.
We have seen the havoc wreaked on Columbia. We are now watching our "war on drugs" rot out the political culture of Mexico and fuel the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Will we never learn?
Jan VanDenBerg
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"Until recently, it was believed that the liver always handles alcohol in the same way. But new research shows that a different scenario occurs among certain alcoholics and children of alcoholics with no drinking experience. Their livers change alcohol into acetaldehyde at twice the normal rate, while the subsequent conversion of acetaldehyde into acetic acid is abnormally slow and takes twice as long as usual."
"The accumulation of acetaldehyde damages liver cells, which become abnormally large as they strive to get rid of the accumulated acetaldehyde. This damage affects the liver's ability to absorb and utilize the nutrients needed for good health. To make matters worse, excess acetaldehyde escapes the liver and travels through the bloodstream to the heart, where it can be very damaging (it interferes with the protein synthesis of the heart muscle). It also reaches the brain, where it blocks proper neurotransmitter action in creating normal feelings, behavior, and memory."
"The unused natural neurotransmitters begin to build up and combine with the acetaldehyde to form potent psychoactive compounds called tetrahydroisoquinolines (THIQs), which are remarkable similar to opiates. THIQs fit in the same receptor sites in the brain as natural pain killing chemicals called endorphins and such narcotics as morphine and heroin."
The point here is that opiate addiction should be treated as a health problem, not a crime - just as alcoholism is. Everyone knows that alcohol prohibition didn't work. It's also clear that the alcohol industry relies heavily on alcoholics for their profit margins - and the pharma industry makes a lot of money off their opiate derivatives as well.
Some of the best treatments for alcoholics include switching to cannabis, and also taking milk thistle (a widely recognized liver protecting herb). See also this interesting article: LSD helps alcoholics put down the botttle, Independent, Oct 11, 2006. However, these effective treatments have been criminalized by the FDA and the DEA for political purposes.
The major sources of opiate addiction in the US today are heroin importers and the pharmaceutical industry, who markets Oxycontin, Dilaudid, Lortab, Percodan, Tylox, Percocet, Darvocet, Vicodin etc. to the public - a market worth billions - and the 'narcotic addiction treatment programs' are worth additional billions. Big Pharma wants to keep people addicted - it's good for the profit margin.
It's time to end all drug prohibition in the United States, and time to start treating all drug addiction the same way we treat alcohol and nicotine addiction.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 31, 2007 11:10 AM
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Nadelmann rightly points out it would evolve into a price support system, but isn't the War on Drugs just a far more expensive security state support system?
2) Better idea: The Cheney Doctrine
The US government can't contract a US corporation to spray pesticides over opium poppies unless the CIA-authorized NSRO satellite images indicate an actual presence of opium poppies.
Why not secretly outsource NSRO satellite imagery management to another US corporation, and secretly alter the before-spraying and after-spraying images to make the spraying contractor look good? Why, they wouldn't even have to do any spraying - just run third world brothels and raise hell every few months like they always have.
Everyone (who counts) wins.
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Posted by: ken_sailor on Aug 31, 2007 11:39 AM
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The surprising truth of democracy and freedom is that when you give a person responsibility for their own life, they do a better job with it than when you tell them what to do. Furthermore, social norms are far more effective than the government when it comes to controlling human behavior. Heroin will never be a greater danger than it is right now simply because the drug war makes things worse not better.
Yes, legalize, regulate and provide help for those who want help.
And then what? Then a large source of cash for the most desperate of the world dries up and places like Afghanistan are not battlegrounds because bullets are expensive.
I often wonder if both the U.S. government and its enemies are in complete agreement on the drug war specifically because both depend on the underground flow of cash funding suffering and terror.
If you want a world with less suffering, legalize.
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The Senlis Council is an international policy think tank with offices in Kabul, London, Paris and Brussels. The Council’s work encompasses foreign policy, security, development and counter-narcotics policies and aims to provide innovative analysis and proposals within these areas. The extensive programme currently underway in Afghanistan focuses on global policy development in conjunction with field research to investigate the relationship between counter-narcotics, military, and development policies and their consequences on Afghanistan’s reconstruction efforts. Senlis Afghanistan has field offices in the Afghan cities of Lashkar Gah and Kandahar.
The Senlis Council was established in 2002 as a European-based organisation devoted to drug policy. Its papers and statements, produced by a circle of internal and external medical and policy experts, have consistently argued that drug addiction should be treated as a public health matter and not a purely as a criminal matter. The Senlis Council holds that drug consumption and its related issues – such the spread of bloodborne diseases (HIV, Hepatitis C) through the sharing of infected drug administration equipment – should be treated with health-based policies such as clean needle exchange and safe injection sites, but has never called for the decriminalisation of illegal drugs.
Some time after the launch of the United Nations-mandated war in Afghanistan in 2001, The Senlis Council became increasingly devoted to the issue of Opium production in Afghanistan, which the organisation sees as the key to unlocking the security, reconstruction, and development impasse in the war-torn country. Senlis has proposed for the international community to support a poppy-for-medicine opium licensing scheme in Afghanistan, in which Afghan village-produced opium-based painkillers, such as morphine and codeine, would be sold to other developing countries which currently have little or no access to these essential medicines through preferential trade agreements.
In 2006, The Senlis Council expanded its subject area to security and development in general, and Afghanistan in particular.
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Posted by: doneman2000 on Aug 31, 2007 2:49 PM
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Posted by: bigbad on Aug 31, 2007 3:32 PM
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The CIA has long partnered with these warlords to create trouble for the Soviet Union, and later the newly independent states around the Caspian Sea in order to gain control of the vast oil wealth there for U.S. corporations. The drugs financed the war operations "off the books", so that the U.S. Congress (and you and me) could be kept out of the loop.
Per Peter Dale Scott, in "The Road to 9/11", introduction:
"...a CIA habit of turning to drug-supported, off-the-books assets for fighting wars - in Indochina and the South China Sea in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s; in Afghanistan and Central America in the 1980s; in Colombia in the 1990s; and again in Afghanistan in 2001. As I have written elsewhere, nearly all these wars were in defense of the overseas interests or aspirations of major U.S. oil companies."
See also McCoy, "Politics of Herion", and Scott, "Drugs, Oil and War".
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 31, 2007 7:26 PM
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Of course the laws are broken. But compared to the consequences of prohibition, the harmful consequences are miniscule. They are personal tragedies rather than public corruption.
Organized crime thrived during the 1920s alcohol prohibition in the US. It grew from just neighborhood crime to big business, off the income from bootlegging. Currently, organized crime thrives from the prohibition of drugs. When there's money to be made, someone will take the risk, whatever it is. So we have street crime at high levels.
It is a mistake, however, to deal with such problems in isolation from the larger context of social oppression and international violence. Lack of health care, AIDS, lack of sanitary conditions, clean water, overcrowding of cities, and on and on all play into the problem.
If we do not make the changes we see coming at us, they will overwhelm us. I have not heard serious talk about making changes since 1972. 35 years of conservative neglect making the same mistakes over and over again has raised the danger level to unimagined proportions. Talk about "unworkable;" that's what denial is all about.
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Plus any drug can be made synthetically so destroying plants won't work.
There have been and always will be those who use intoxicants...the vast majority will always use them in a life enhancing and non-detrimental way.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 5, 2007 6:20 PM
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but is anybody listening?
only vaguely.
but then, we're 90% of the reason they suffer, aren't we?
the Conservative asks: why should the Westernized 'G8' give a damn?
ah, weeeeellllll...
if COMPASSION or ALTRUISM isn't a big enough motivator for Busheviks or Randian Objectivists...
there is that nasty big ass DEBT that somebody is eventually gonna ask for...
What was it that Dennis Miller once snarled about debtor nations? "show me a deuce, something... "
China's Full Court Press: stepping up The Peoples' Global Image
ThisCanadian must ask...
in a World where MSM trumpets that governments are corporate entities & citizens are CONSUMERS...
what is NATIONALITY if it isn't MARKETING??
well, even China has recognized what charity work can do for one's image in the *rest* of the UN... apparently, PNAC forgot that there is a judging Peanut Gallery... or they think the ButlerClass doesn't care what the *rest* of us think...
what was it the Genius Chris Rock once paraphrased? "behind every Great Fortune is a Great Crime... "
think about it...
we allow the USA to tell every other nation that **natural** healthcare is illegal & immoral.
a terrorist activity, no less.
yet... what is the US gov't if it is not the strongarm for BigPharm, BigTobacco... & BigCotton??
isn't the economic protectionism of the post-Civil War South just getting a bit out-of-hand??
why should OTHERS SUFFER becauase the United States Republicans don't really want to think its kind to let Granny die with a buzz on to overcome the viceral jungle of cancer in her bones...
wouldn't want that. that would be drug use.
let's just sell 'em some ,i>OxyContin, instead...
we don't need no stink'n healthcare, so let's be sure nobody else does...
ah, if they get sick?... let 'em die if nobody can make money off their riddled resource...
Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!
BlueBerry Pick'n
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