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Pot Growers Are New Target in "War on Terror"
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In 2003, Iraq occupation architect Richard Perle slapped investigative journalist Seymour Hersh with the term, saying, "Look, Sy Hersh is the closest thing American journalism has to a terrorist, frankly." As if filing a story about the doomed occupation of a sovereign state in the pages of the New Yorker was the same thing as flying a 747 into the World Trade Center.
In 2004, Secretary of Education Rod Paige called the National Education Association, the country's largest teachers union, "a terrorist organization" because of what Paige defined as the "obstructionist scare tactics" used by its lobbyists. Because we all know it's every educator's dream to buck the systemby blowing themselves up in front of their students.
And just this month, the Bush administration decided to employ the term to legally target the entire Iranian Revolutionary Guard, a sovereign nation's standing army numbering in the hundreds of thousands. When you want a war that badly, you'll pretty much do or say anything to get it.
So how does the Bush administration get away with crying terrorist at every opportunity? Say hello to the Military Commissions Act. Thanks to this 2006 piece of legislation, terrorism has become the basis of American foreign and domestic policy. Yes, the term has become equivalent to everything from ideologically driven violence to petty theft, and can be used to incarcerate, exterminate or character assassinate anything in sight.
It's no wonder then that federal officials are now revisiting their previously failed effort to link terrorism to cannabis, the only real cash cow in the government's so-called War on Drugs. Only difference is, this time, they don't have Tommy Chong as a scapegoat.
Unable or unwilling to solve the nation's crippling meth addiction or its hypocritical dependency on prescribed narcotics like oxycontin, the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) recently rang the terrorism alarm to nail pot growers in Redding's Shasta-Trinity National Forest in California. Along the way, ONDCP "czar" John Walters showed off not only the Bush administration's love of twisted terminology but also its subcultural savvy by coining a memorable phrase of his own.
"We have kind of a reefer blindness," Walters explained during a Redding press conference on the ONDCP's Operation Alesia, a cannabis-eradication program coordinated by the California National Guard's Counterdrug Taskforce and the Shasta County Sheriff's Office. Walters followed that clever turn of phrase with the reliable terrorist designation to describe the armed growers cultivating cannabis in Shasta County. "These people are armed; they're dangerous. [They're] violent criminal terrorists." He even went so far to argue that the "terrorists" growing weed in Shasta County, as the Redding Record Searchlight reported, "wouldn't hesitate to help other terrorists get into the country with the aim of causing mass casualties."
Except there seem to be a couple major problems with Walters' characterizations. For one, Walters declined to explain during the press conference what Operation Alesia's specific goals were. More importantly, he didn't offer up any concrete names of the terrorists or their ideological objectives. What legalization advocates and law enforcement authorities alike were left with was yet another hazy strategy based on loose terminology whose only purpose it seems is to confiscate as much pot as possible from Shasta County's public lands.
A noble pursuit to be sure, but counterterrorism? Hardly.
Especially when rural Shasta County's biggest problem is meth, not marijuana, addiction. Further, Walters' coded terminology, when unmasked, is not employed to raise awareness of al Qaeda's grand cannabis cultivation strategy to destabilize the American government, but rather to inflame regional biases against, you guessed it, Mexicans. Especially the undocumented variety, who are "the other terrorists" Walters mentioned looking to get into the country and, what again? I asked Mike Odle, public affairs and communications officer for Shasta-Trinity National Forest's Northern California Coordination Center to elaborate on what was behind the increase in cultivated cannabis on Shasta's public lands.
"Most of the increase can be attributed to the proliferation of foreign Drug Trafficking Organizations (DTOs), mostly Mexican in origin, which operate in the Shasta-Trinity National Forest and throughout California and much of the United States," Odle explained to me by email. "Frequently using illegal aliens residing outside the United States, or recently smuggled across the [sic] boarder, these Mexican criminal groups establish, maintain and protect an increasing number of clandestine operations."
Yet, predictably, Odle couldn't explain what made them terrorists.
"Some DTOs have been linked by law enforcement and investigations to terrorist organizations and pose a substantial and increasing threat to national security," he added in a subsequent email. "Our primary concern here on the Shasta-Trinity National Forest is the safety of our forest visitors and agency employees and the negative impacts marijuana has on the environment and natural resources, no matter what name is given to the DTOs that are illegally growing marijuana on America's public lands."
No matter what name is given? Easy enough if you're the one doing the naming. If you're the one being flippantly tagged a terrorist? Not so much.
Plus, there are enough holes in the argument to plant your own cannabis seeds. To start with, cannabis may be many things, but it is far from an environmental negative. It has been used for medicinal purposes for thousands of years, can grow in almost any climate, and is a naturally occurring dioecious perennial. (In other words, it's not fossil fuel.) Further, Odle's claim that safety is Shasta's first concern is understandable, but he offered no examples of violent activity by any of the area growers to legitimize the ONDCP's inflammatory language. Sure, the fact that "some" DTOs have been linked to terrorist organizations is educational, but as with everything the ONDCP touches, specifics are elusive and generalizations are everywhere.
I pressed Odle for further clarification on the terrorism question. But instead of al Qaeda, all I got was more obfuscation. And more Mexicans.
"Do [sic] to ongoing investigations, I am limited in what I can share," Odle explained in another email. "When we do the investigations we try to get up as far as we can into the food chain. We work closely with the DEA, FBI, ICE and other law enforcement agencies that have the capabilities to identify who these folks are and what links they may or may not have."
Fair enough. It's out of his hands. Any concrete local examples?
"I can [sic] site an example in a case we are now finished investigating. The Forest Service was heavily involved with the eradication of marijuana gardens associated with the Magana drug cartel. The Magana drug cartel operation and investigation occurred throughout National Forests in California, Utah and Arkansas, with direct ties to Mexico. Investigators in the Magana case said cartel leaders brought in illegal workers from the Mexican states of Michoacan and Jalisco."
In short, terrorism isn't the real problem here, it's illegal immigration. Not convinced? When you get a chance, search Google for "Magana drug cartel" and let me know if you can find anything. Even better, try the ONDCP, and let me know if anything unrelated to cocaine shows up. Even if you give Walters, Odle and other so-called counterterrorism experts their due on the Magana drug cartel or other so-called terrorist organizations who the ONDCP cannot actually name (making sure to look up the definition of "cartel" in the process, if you want to be exhaustive about it), what you end up with are cannabis traffickers and cultivators operating illegally on public lands using undocumented immigrants.
Illegal activity? Fine. Terrorism? Are you high?
The Bush administration's hypocritical bait-and-switch between terrorism and immigration is clumsy for certain, but it is especially glaring in light of a recent Washington Times article criticizing none other than President Bush himself. According to the piece, a "2006 audit showed federal, state and local governments are among the biggest employers of the half-million persons in the U.S. illegally using 'non-work' Social Security numbers -- numbers issued legally, but with specific instructions that the holders are not authorized to work in the U.S." And that charge was leveled by Iowa Republican and ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee's immigration subcommittee Rep. Steve King, in a politically conservative publication founded by Rev. Sun Myung Moon, cult leader of the Unification Church.
Even the Moonies think that Bush needs to start throwing what the president's own drug czar would call terrorists out of his own White House, before he starts worrying about anyone else. After all, according to the audit, his own government is a much worse offender than the ragged Magana cartel growing cannabis in the forests of Redding.
By the time the ONDCP's talking points touched on other byproducts of commercially cultivated cannabis terrorism -- "fire violations, unsanitary conditions, littering, smoking, building unauthorized structures, unauthorized camping and cutting trees without a permit to name a few," in Odle's words -- I began to more fully understand the power of language. By capitalizing on a nationally manufactured fear and simply merging words into each other, the Bush administration has created from its hyperreal imagination a living policy that can have real-world ramifications for those trampled beneath its fluid terminology.
The good news is that the Democrats in Congress are at least trying to make up for their heinous complicity in the Military Commissions Act, whose passage helped enable this linguistic nightmare in the first place. As recently as July 2007, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform chairman Rep. Henry Waxman wrote Walters asking why American taxpayers have been footing the bill for ONDCP officials to travel around the country with Republican candidates stumping for election at the behest of Karl Rove. Striking hard at Bush administration politicization of the ONDCP is a good start, but stopping their ability to label anyone anything they want would go much farther to restoring sensible policy, on drugs and everything else, for the rest of our new millennium.
We're going to need help soon, if the recent white papers on drug abuse from the ONDCP are any indication. Because they've enlisted God for help in beating back the devil weed, as their fact sheet "Marijuana and Kids: Faith" explains: "Religion and religiosity repeatedly correlate with lower teen and adult marijuana and substance use rates and buffer the impact of life stress which can lead to marijuana and substance use. ... Other studies show that teens who don't view faith as important are up to four times more likely to use marijuana."
In other words, smoke up, heretical terrorist! You're not only fueling al Qaeda's mass murder by purchasing weed cultivated by illegal Mexicans in the rural public lands of the world, but you're also turning your back on God in the process. As well as replacing the Bush administration's real world with your selfish virtual reality in which cannabis is a relatively harmless, naturally occurring plant that can chill you out as much as it can fill you out. A massive, multiplayer simulation where pot is a viable medicinal alternative to synthesized painkillers like oxycontin, which ease your agony by killing you off altogether.
According to the Bush administration and its politicized ONDCP, you need to unplug from that moonbat matrix and start praying. Fast. Or else.
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Aug 29, 2007 1:10 AM
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It's based on the insidious notion that you do not have ownership over your own body. That you aren't able to make decisions about what you'll smoke, eat, drink, inhale, or ingest in anyway - and instead - the politicians own your body and will tell you can and cannot use their property.
There is little that should be more repulsive to the ideals of a free society than this cancer we call the "war on drugs"
Ending it will make this country more safe, more free and more prosperous.
That's my rant. Read on for more if you'd like:
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Posted by: mizipi on Aug 29, 2007 1:31 AM
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We are the land of laws, more laws, ad nauseam......
Logic and common sense should be outlawed. That would be closer to reality.
I sure hope the wannabe patriots condemn this article. No better comedy can be found........
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Posted by: Tatarize on Aug 29, 2007 2:46 AM
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The fact that the war on drugs is a worthless hunk of crap is secondary to this general rule. Utter failure means you need to change your tactics.
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» it applies to issues across the board...
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Posted by: frontiviki on Aug 29, 2007 3:16 AM
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People, u are under attack. And being the United States the rogue single power in the world all that is made to you it will eventually be made to everybody in the wester hemisphere. Being from Barcelona there is not much I can do to help. I just can support all of you that are fighting a government that is turning the former freedom land into a fascist state.
Incidently, all the "free" world depends upon what you can do about it.
Lots of Europeans are starting to hate America, but they dont stop and think that the America they hate is not the American people but its government. Furthermore, they dont understand that the fate of the world lies upon what real Americans can do about the American Neocon quagmire.
Long life to American people!
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 29, 2007 3:31 AM
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Bush wants Fifty Billion more to fight the war, and he’ll get it. That might get us through another month, but what if the war lasts for years? Will he force us to buy War Bonds?
“Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.”
Euripides.
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 29, 2007 4:15 AM
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we have freedom of use of drugs and real junks are considered as mental patients
But still we have drugfights, murders etc.
prostitution is legalized but still there is rape and womentrafficking still pimps beat girls. The only stupid thing is the word WAR!!!!
It is about money; big money and there is no tax for USA and no bribes for honest politicians as long as marihuana is not legalised.So the MARKET is the standard for good or bad.
If you steal a dollar you are a thief, if you destroy peoples life by giving them a loan they cannot pay back and they lose their house you are a good business man.
Unless people are understanding that life is beautifull and hapiness is of more importance than millions of dollars, mr Bush and mrs Hillary can control you.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 29, 2007 4:34 AM
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There is a record opium crop in Afghanistan.
The terrorists are over there. Selling the opium. Purchasing weapons with the money.
Bush looks over here instead.
Business as usual: failed Presidential leadership.
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 29, 2007 4:58 AM
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Fear, and its exaggeration Terror, is a marvel-ous and miraculous experience which each of us undergoes in face of actual, contrived, manufactured or dis-placed circumstances. No matter what we say, it's EFFECTIVE and it will make us act by conscious or un-conscious behaviors. If MANY are acting the same way, this will COMFORT us, and we will BELIEVE we are in the "GOOD FIGHT". It's well understood and well studied in specialized senses by Psychologists, Therapists, Marketing Analysts, Advertisers, etc. Universalizing the accumulated knowledge and applying it onto our general social relations is POWER-FULL. We can Torture or we can Sell or we can Control. Ah, the VALUE of knowledge -- Profit and Power. The interests of a god are not only celestial, they have practical applications. We can declare War on just about any word we choose - for we are NOMINALISTS and aided immensely by the great import from France -- "Post-Modernism", suitably reduced and digested by our USA Academies and dressed in properly American clothes.
Fear of Fear. Fear of Terror. This is presented as a way, a means, a manner of confronting the actions of those who have concluded that THIS PARTICULAR LIFE, individual or not, has reached its zenith. What exactly brought them to that conclusion? Envy? Resentment? Powerlessness? Humiliation? Who knows, I guess. But the response of those humans like Bush is to Fear them -- the more are produced, the more to fear them. The fundamental premise being: We are not responsible; they just appeared from the head of Zeus upon this earth. Heroin is none of OUR doing, there's no profits to be made from such UTILITIES. Lets declare a War on these Zeus products, on those who have declared and concluded there is NO VALUE in living under conditions and in circumstances such as those IDEALISMS given form and content by English, French and German MIDDLE CLASS spokesmen. Ours is Comfort, theirs is Responsibility. Calvin knew it very well, as did Napoleon. Theirs was a War against those above. Bushes and Cheneys and Roves wage a War against those below. There is the difference and, as Shakespeare has been quoted to say, there is "the rub". Aye!
A drug-addicted ("dependent") human is one who will not resist. Drug-, Arms-, Pornography- and Religious- moneys are the most available and the least accountable resources to those Families and Aristocrats who set the conditions for our lives. Join them or fight them, simple as that. There is no "middle-ground". The War is on Metaphors. Question the Image.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Aug 29, 2007 5:33 AM
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how does this work in every day life???
Marriage = war on those I love
Sports = war on the other team
The "Other" team = terrorists ball players???
Sex = war on my partner who is a sexual terrorist???
Teacher = "knowledge terrorist" - and teaching must be war on knowledge or students!..
So "war on drugs"?.. How about drug eradication and education program..doesn't sound as powerful?
Drug growers = criminals?.. doesnt sound as powerful...TERRORISTS!!! .. now there is a powerful word!!
Can we call Bush and co. "political terrorists"??? and politics is nothing more than "war on the People" by a terrorist group known as politicians?
you know I think this insanity works???
Except when one starts to refer to another country standing military as terrorist.. Which they might be, but probably not. They follow orders like any military. But in Bushes mind he must feel it strikes a nerve with Americans. I'm afraid it doesn't. It begins to make me suspect of ones motives. Iran is no saint and is truly responsible for quite a bit of whats going on in Iraq, but we created the situation to allow that!
If we are to use extreme descriptives to convey the seriousness of a situation, maybe we have declared war on "common sense" as it relates to foreign policy dealings.
I'm all for the "war on drugs" and terrorism, what ever that is.. but lets call it like it is and not appear to try fooling anyone in word games
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Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 29, 2007 5:59 AM
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Think about why America was once great and what made us proud to be Americans, and then ask yourself how much of that still pertains today and if it is still a good deal considering the list of disadvantages above:
(1) Economic opportunity - highest standard of living, most upward mobility
(2) Personal freedom - constitutionally guaranteed
(3) Intellectual leadership - NASA, cancer cures, Silicon Valley
(4) Security - from domestic and foreign threats
(5) Moral leadership to the world - necessary humanitarian and military interventions
(6) Envy of the world
They're all gone now, as this marijuana issue suggests.
Oppression of ordinary citizens for marijuana is another good reason to leave this foundering culture. That, and the detention camps and border barriers that they have erected. That doesn't even take into consideration the loss of constitutional protections and the risk of becoming a political prisoner subject to torture. Or being called a terrorist supporter and having all of your property confiscated.
Oh, and not just the risk of being called a terrorist, but of being killed by one just for living in or near an American city. Some American city is highly likely to be nuked or anthraxed in retaliation for American policy, and tens of thousands will die for the pleasure of being an American.
Or the continuously falling standard of living for ordinary people, the erosion of the middle class and the instability of the economy due to outsourcing of jobs, deficit spending, eroding the social safety net, unstable oil prices, housing bubbles, stock market lability, retiring baby boomers, overextended personal credit, loss of bankruptcy safe harbors.
How about this dysfunctional culture with its absence of spirituality and utter lack of decent moral values? Nobody has any free time because they work too much. And Americans endure the hatred, snickering and the contempt of the world.
Even jingoist ditto-heads are beginning to be embarrassed. I just cant emphasize enough in words my contempt for what America has become and what it stands for, or the low quality of the people responsible – leaders and voters both (wolves and sheep) - and my unwillingness to be their neighbor..
Plus, your taxes are being used to : the neocon vision. Wouldn’t you like it if your taxes were being spent as Swiss or Romanian taxes are spent instead of funding the greatest criminal enterprises of all time as it burns Iraqi babies alive?
So, reasons to think about leaving the US (from the above) are:
(1) Increasing danger from domestic enemies – the government’s gulags
(2) Increasing danger from foreign enemies – inflamed terrorists
(3) Diminishing standard of living
(4) Increasing internal and external friction
American citizenship just isn't the great value that it once was given the losses in security, freedoms and prosperity not to mention the fear and hate of the world. America never had much to offer over other free nations apart from economic opportunity, and now that has dried up for everybody but celebrities, lottery winners and white-collar criminals.
Freest country in the world my pitoot! Canadians do everything Americans can plus much more: smoke pot without prison, marry if they're gay, and visit Cuba just to name a few. And America's wealth is not readily available to you, not unless you are already wealthy, willing to break the law, or a celebrity.
So, stay and be manipulated, threatened and lied to if you must or if you choose to. But please disabuse yourself of any notion of American superiority or greatness, or that Americans live better lives. That dream is over.
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Aug 29, 2007 6:05 AM
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But the arrival of this article makes more of a case for just that.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 29, 2007 6:13 AM
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There are all these drug idiocies... then look at the rhetoric on "eco-terrorism".. which, by the way, by and large does not kill people or animals. It only destroys property. But, of course, the Britts did the same thing during the Luddite rebellions... valued machines far above the lives of people because they simply would not toe the line industry wanted them to.
Its not a war on drugs. Its a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times. - Bill Hicks
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 29, 2007 6:16 AM
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Probably this word has another meaning in american english than in european english.
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Posted by: djnoll on Aug 29, 2007 6:17 AM
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The label "terrorist" is being so rampantly applied to anyone who disagrees with Bush at the same time it is used on defining real terrorists like Bin Laden that it no longer has the meaning it should. Now anyone who speaks up for peace or freedom is a terrorist. This makes them subject to arrest and detention under laws that are clearly unconstitutional and attacks on our freedoms.
In 1787 the term "federal" was meant to mean any action taken by a voluntary confederation of states for the good of all states. The Federalists co-oped the term to mean that a strong central government that would make decisions for all states was necessary to secure freedom and safety for the country, and was better able to decide what was best than the states and the citizens themselves. We are now seeing the final fruition of this elitist policy put forth by John Adams and Alexander Hamilton.
So, the child's taunt "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!" takes on a whole new meaning as well. Words are hurting this nation and they are hurting us as a people. But words, like WE THE PEOPLE, can heal this nation as well. It is time for the states to "secure for themselves" the freedom to make their laws enforceable; their people once again capable of the pursuit of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"; and to change the meaning of federal back to what it was before the 1787 Constitutional Convention. Ironically, it was the Anti-Federalists who better understood the word "federal" than those who claimed it as their own. It is time for the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson to take precedence over the current administration. It is time for a revolution, led by the people and supported by our military, to take back our nation. It is time for the states to become the leaders in our national policy and for the people to have an impact on policymaking again. It is time for an educated populace who find answers not in drugs or violence, but in helping each other to build a sustainable future and participating in their own governance, for better or worse.
Words will hurt a nation as surely as a child, but words can also heal a nation and unite it for the better. It is time to choose better words and better people to use them than those who are currently in control of this nation. Keep looking America, you might still need to look harder than the current crop of politicians for what this nation needs.
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Posted by: bryanth798 on Aug 29, 2007 6:21 AM
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These Likud-style polemics ("Terrorist!" "Terrorist enablers!!!") reflect the style of the folks who are calling the shots these days - illegal aliens (from Israel).
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Posted by: mrs whatsit on Aug 29, 2007 6:23 AM
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It's not an issue as to whether or not YOU consider marijuana to be a passive drug at this point. The issue is that it's still illegal and in spite of my outrage at the Homeland Security Big Brother Program, growers are setting themselves up for a fall at this point. There are larger humanity violations by Homeland Security than the arrest of intentional illegal drug users.
I personally don't care if someone uses pot. That's their business. Just quit bellyaching about how difficult it is to indulge in something illegal when you get caught. The rest of us are tired of hearing it. Fight for the ones who AREN'T doing anything wrong and being detained and held on false charges. When is this country going to wake up to reality?
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Posted by: dover23 on Aug 29, 2007 6:55 AM
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In the Clinton years, police overreach in the name of the Drug War shredded much of what remained of the Bill of Rights. And those most frequently caught in its web were not the "drug kingpins" legislators claimed to be going after. Mothers, fathers, small-time dealers, medical-marijuana users and even children were caught in a criminal- justice system so overgrown no one is immune to the new powers Johnny Law uses to protect us from ourselves. And while much of the horror heaped on the American public has occurred at the state and local levels, the tenor of the times begins at the top-which places the responsibility squarely at Bill Clinton's feet.
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Posted by: sphoenix on Aug 29, 2007 7:06 AM
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While not everything that Hitler and his buddies did is relevant to our disintegrating situation in Amerika, there are so many parallels that keep popping up....I am almost thinking that Dick is using this book as a play book to create the kind of country that Adolf would be proud of.
The major difference I am seeing is that the power players have taken their time this time. Adolf was in a bit of a hurry and tended to overreact by killing everyone in his way. GWB is doing the same thing, but not as openly. Adolf surrounded himself with cutthroats, murderers, gangsters and other depraved individuals that would do anything they were asked because of a skewed sense of nationalism. Starting to sound familiar yet?
Adolf was elected...yes elected, and subsequently placed into power by a dying, senile, old general. Once he had the political power in his hands he rapidly set about changing the laws to suit himself...primarily by declaring a state of emergency and giving himself signature powers that removed the German Parliament from having a say in any state affairs. Eventually the German Parliament was simply eliminated. He even kicked around the idea of rewriting the German Constitution, but decided to scrap the entire thing instead. Sound familiar yet?
And then there was the collusion with the rich, the military, the banks, and big corporations...especially those corporations involved in manufacturing military hardware. As long as these entities were making gobs of money and were protected by the State...Hitler stayed in power and could do pretty much whatever he wanted. Are we seeing a pattern?
And the propaganda machine...State run media...OK we don't have that, exactly. What we have are the uber-rich corporations that run the media, being a voluntary mouthpiece for Bushco, cuz they are making gobs of money and are being protected by the State. It's the same only different...
And what propaganda we have seen...and it's not just from Bushco...this has been going on for so long that most Americans don't even know what has been done to them. It really started getting bad in the Nixon years and has become increasingly worse since then. Amerika is now a nation of brainwashed nationalistic lemmings who run shrieking any time the Great and Terrible OZ tells them that there is something to be scared of. "WAR ON _______." (Pick your adjective)
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Posted by: efficacy on Aug 29, 2007 7:10 AM
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 29, 2007 7:18 AM
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The big kick with this Administration is it's a 'Policestate Government'. Or as some might say, an Aggressor Nation. That being the case,we can not in any way shape or form have the People doing anything that might advance the Peace. Hemp does that nicely,Thank-you. It's also"TtHE MOST THERAPUTICALLY ACTIVE SUBSTANCE KNOWN TO MAN",that came from the DEA's own Law judge back in 1988. They know hemp is good safe medicine. They also know a bigger truth. Hemp smokers are more peaceful then folks that do other substances,such as alchohol. We need folks that will kill on command,hemo negates that. We need folks that will blindly follow orders,hemp frees your mind. We need willing sheep that can support any edict of the Government,hemp helps one question authority. When Bush's GrandPappy was a boy oil was'nt much. It was cheap to be involved in,so the Family hopped on the 'Greasy Train'. When it was discovered that oil could be made into many of the products hemp was,the stage was set for the bigshift away from fram products that had multiple uses to the new inexhaustable oil that was'nt prone to crop failure.
Hemp creates a more peaceful society. We want a Warrior Society. The trouble is mental midgets are running the show and they think a Warrior is someone who kills. They do,but it's the ultimately last thng you want to do. The first order is to aide the People by whatever is needed. If that be the right to grow,use,sell and transport an herb that has theraputic properties,SO BE IT.
It's time to Think Outside the System
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez.
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Posted by: wheresarah on Aug 29, 2007 7:28 AM
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The best definition that I can think of for "terrorist" is someone who intentionally acts to cause serious injury and/or death to many people at once by violent means.
I think this would go a long way to rightfully exclude environmentalists who damage SUVs, marijuana growers who harm no one, or even some of the violent drug dealers out there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending any kind of violence. What I'm saying is that the violent drug dealer can be charged otherwise. There is no need to use "terrorist" as a definition for this person.
If some extremist-environmentalist plans to blow up a building while it's known to be occupied, it seems that something along those lines should be considered a terrorist act. But if one or more of them spray paint some SUVs, come on people!! Terrorism? I think not.
Law enforcement and GWB himself should not be allowed to throw this word around so lightly. We need to do something about it.
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Posted by: sausage on Aug 29, 2007 8:08 AM
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He had just dropped off a take-out dinner and a birthday present for a mutual friend at one of the city's more notorious bars. My friend doesn't drink anymore because he just finished a year of interferon therapy.
When he left the tavern in question he got pulled over by one of our city's finest, ostensibly for running a red light. And here's where it gets interesting.
According to my friend the conversation from the arresting officer, after issuing a traffic citation, went something like this:"What were ya doing over at H______ (the bar in question)? Delivering pot? I smell pot. Wanna get out of the car, sir?"
Now I've ridden in that car on many occasions and if it smells like anything it's mildew and french fries. But by claiming to have smelled marijuana smoke the young, NeoStasi cop had, in the eyes of the law, probable cause to search my friend's car without a warrant. (BTW, folks, if you've never had the misfortune of facing criminal charges, remember this:Cops Lie.)
Look, my buddy's not claiming that he didn't have marijuana in his car, he just thinks that the arresting officer's first comment, after issuing the traffic citation, were rather curious. He faces misdemeanor charges of up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine, but he's not too worried about that because the judges here abouts usually hand down sentences of probation and a stint in a drug rehab program for first offenders.
Interestingly, we've just had a change in chiefs of police. And why is this interesting in light of this story?
It's always been my suspicion that there are elements within all municipal polices forces who do not want to see marijuana legalized. And, I feel, there are also elements within the rehabilitation industry who do not want to see marijuana legalized. Why? Because it threatens their livelihood.
My friend has just had the misfortune to fall into the clutches of both those groups.
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Posted by: Gaubladt on Aug 29, 2007 8:22 AM
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Posted by: picket on Aug 29, 2007 8:31 AM
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The terrorists took several Cannabis plants and the FEDS will now decide whether to prosecute him. Now this is in the 12th State, New Mexico, which on July 1st passed into law medical marijuana. The man is one of 38 people who had been certified by the State Health Department as being eligible for MMJ.
My adult children were getting a little weary of hearing their parents discuss such events BUT now they are telling us stories about life in our "terrorist free" rural community. During the one or two community celebrations the village employs LEO's from other communities as undercover agents. You can tell because when one is laughing with friends you can catch a really mean stare. You know happiness means drug use.....or when out innocently canoeing the Lake Police circle and stare...binoculars everywhere.
Oh well our children were sick of hearing us now we are listening to them.
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Posted by: alicelillie on Aug 29, 2007 8:51 AM
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Actually, I think it is 100% wrong, and harms everyone except greedy government officials, the alcohol industry and big pharma.
Cannibis is a totally harmless plant that has far more positive aspects than negative. Government is using it to increase the size and scope of government, and to line politician and bureaucrat pockets.
But what galls me the most is the fact that the plant has amazing medicinal uses but sick and dying patients whose doctor has recommended it have been stonewalled by government raids and byzantine regulations.
Cancer patient Steve Kubby is a prime example. Diagnosed with terminal adrenal cancer around 1975, he is still alive and healthy thanks to large amounts of marijuana. He had been examined repeatedly over time at University of Southern California medical center, where they found that the marijuana has saved his life. USC is not some fly-by-night front for people who just want to use. But the establishment simply refuses to admit that they are wrong, at least in the Kubby case.
Kubby went on to be instrumental in the success of California's Prop. 215.
I have to stop here and say that I was living there at the time and voted in favor of Prop. 215. By the time Nevada had a similiar measure on the ballot, I had moved there, so I can proudly proclaim that I voted in favor of medical marijuana in two states.
But this is about Steve. I met him at the Libertarian Party of California convention where they (not "we" since I was not living in CA) nominated him as their candidate for governor of CA.
I am proud to have traveled across state lines to work on his campaign.
Now, at present, Steve Kubby is running for the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination. I wholeheartedly support him. The main issue is medical marijuana and the saving of thousands of patients' lives and health.
Please go to Google and read up on Steve Kubby if you are at all interested in restoring *your* right to decide about your health care and your right to decide about your own life.
See my blog: http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 29, 2007 8:54 AM
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now ask why this Domestic Policy is being exported & jammed down everyone's throats.
Smoking Pot Won't Make You Crazy, But ...Listening to American Politicans could...
addressing: "'Opium economics', CBC, Madelaine Drohan"
Financial Post whines again: "Court protects worker's casual drug use" ... & endangers KBR's right to protect its workers!!
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Posted by: yidokie on Aug 29, 2007 8:57 AM
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Posted by: vomeggido on Aug 29, 2007 9:32 AM
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ABBOTT LABORATORIES
MERCK
ELI LILLY & CO
GLAXCO,SMITH, KLINE
PFIZER
NOVARTIS
JOHNSON & JOHNSON
ROCHE
to name but a few. These multi-billion dollar conglomerates are the reason for the WAR ON DRUGS because they do not want any competition.
Its just this simple. The administration in Washington- Past, Present & Future depend on their campaign contributions. End of story.
The reason for people doing drugs either recreational or additively is because the need to escape a horrible reality:
A completely corrupt Justice system. A throughly deceptive government. A spiritually defunct and manipulative religious experience. There is more- but I believe I have made my point.
If the world was not so fucked up- and even a little more honest and kinder (our natural state of being regardless of what the mind propagandists will have you believe)- people would not have need to escape into a chemically enhanced state.
Our society is completely and totally insane. Drug use is curious- drug abuse is a spiritual problem- and calling in the police to deal with a spiritual problem is so insane it defies comprehension.
Its obvious- its happening- everyone knows it- yet it continues- and it continues to baffle people!!
This is so stupid and obvious its hilariously ridiculous.
If there is a God- It is highly likely that God is laughing his ass off, looking at humanity and saying something like- Geeze, I really fucked that one up!
Regardless of what you have been told- God is not coming back....
Would you?
PS- If they put all the drug dealers in jail- where will Bush and Cheney buy their meth?
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 29, 2007 10:09 AM
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I am sick of all the problems from alcohol and meth and all the horrid drugs that screwed up people use instead. Pot calms people down. All those other chemical drugs make them more violent. It is all about MONEY for the rich.
Our country is being run by a bunch of drunks-
Why are mothers not outraged about this???
We need to take to the streets and take back our country-
We have MADD-we need MAPP! -
Mothers against Pot Prohibition!
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Posted by: teaserpony999 on Aug 29, 2007 10:44 AM
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Posted by: Soco on Aug 29, 2007 9:28 AM
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Obesity
Drugs
Terror
Poverty
The moment we declare a war on anything we immediately start losing. Rome went around declaring wars and speaking of external threats and the need to strike. Rome destroyed itself long before it was sacked by creating it's enemies. Patricians and Nobility bleed the state dry and created an economic meltdown. Sound familiar?
What is it good for? Profiting the wealthy.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 29, 2007 11:36 AM
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An American Addiction, a good lecture on Plan Colombia
The Mechanisms of Inequality, a good lecture on some of the motivations behind the domestic drug war
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Aug 29, 2007 11:57 AM
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and the fun doesnt stop there either...there will be more than enough petty offenders (and even non-offenders under the MCA) to create a gulag labour system.. which will depress wages and inflate profits across the board as the non-incarcerated population is forced to compete against gulag labour and accept the conditions of gulag labour to do so...
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 29, 2007 12:01 PM
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If we look at his actions we may find out whom we have to take it to. Everyone from Social Justice Advocates to Environmental groups to Hurricane Volunteer Relief groups to U.S. Attorneys and now pot smokers,arguably the most peaceful of the lot, are being or have been labled 'terrorist'.
Since one of the definitions of terror is the use of fear,I contend Bush himself is the Terrorist. I say he is responasible for all the unrest in the streets and the World and that as such he,George Bush,and his followers, have been,continue to be and will always be a 'Terrorist Enemy of the Constitution'. Now as an 'Enemy of the Constitution' he could be placed at Gitmo. We'll give him a cell,no toilet,no magazines,no fun. All he gets is a pot brownie and a looped music video of Dick Cheney cornhole-ing Tony Blair to 'Wish you were here'. Naw,that would still be too good for him. The pot brownie part. I'm sure he gets a little 'corn' from Dick all the time.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 29, 2007 12:36 PM
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How many violent attacks does an organized foreign criminal operation need to conduct on US soil before it triggers a JTTF response? Or are terrrists on US soil classified according to their ability to threaten the Saudi royal family?
Why are Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) and Mara 18, two drug gangs originally formed in El Salvador's civil war, not considered Al Qaida equivalents?
"...the departments of Justice and Homeland Security have launched a series of initiatives to confront the threat posed by the gang, also known as MS-13, which has between 30,000 and 50,000 members in half a dozen countries, including up to 10,000 members in the US, according to federal law enforcement estimates." LA Times.
Those are DoJ and FBI "initiatives," not JTTF operations. But MS-13 organizes drug trafficking and makes US citizens' lives statistically more dangerous every day. And Al Qaida organizes drug trafficking and makes US citizens' lives statistically more dangerous every day.
Maybe it's just a selective interpretation of the use of "fear" to govern Americans:
Despite MS-13 being "...a gang linked to dozens of violent attacks in the Washington region in recent years," Charles County's leading gang Detective John Burroughs said "it's a bad gang, [but] they're not going to come hopping out of the bushes with machetes and attack your children."
So... now Al Qaida is training with machetes?
See also:
Charles Is Reassured On Gangs, Somewhat (Washington Post).
Mara Salvatrucha surfaces in Washington, D.C. region (Washington Post).
Murderous gangs turn urban El Salvador into battlefield (Financial Times).
Criminal gangs in the Americas: Out of the underworld (The Economist).
Gang Uses Deportation to Its Advantage to Flourish in US (LA Times).
LA Violence Crosses the Line (LA Times).
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 29, 2007 1:27 PM
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The majority of prisoners in the gigantic and very profitable US prison complex are there on non-violent drug charges.
Undercover drug cops are among the slimiest people in the United States - they are well-known for engaging in sexual relations with their targets, then pressuring them to bust others. The drug-related asset seizures flow back to the district attorney's office, who gets a cut. This is the source of most of the corruption in the US police forces today.
To get off the drug war, you have to overcome the entrenched financial interests that profit from it: the alcohol and tobacco lobbies, who don't want you to stop buying their products in favor of less harmful ones, the DEA and state and local police who enjoy drug war-related taxpayer funding as well as the benefits of asset seizure, and all the pharmaceutical corporations who'd rather see patients on Prozac, Adderall, Ritalin, Oxycontin, etc., instead of using cannabis for overcoming depression and physical pain.
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He would end the war on drugs & other stupid wars that benefit only a few. He'd get rid of the IRS & "Federal" Reserve. Give stolen State's rights back. He wants to let individual freedom be restored. (He has faith that most people will do the right thing without gov interference, so he wants to get the gov off the people's backs.) He wants to get the USA back to true Constitutional government. He is a freedom lover's wet dream. Check him out! He even wants no more undeclared wars! ronpaul2008.com. YouTube also has a lot of videos about Ron. About the only negative to many AlterNetters is that he is pro-life. But he would apply that to war as well. Besides, he has so many other stands on many issues that AlterNet readers will like...
Also check out Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
If we who advocate for the return of common sense & true Constitutional gov. don't get active, which includes voting & being informed, then we have no one to blame but our selves. Like was said above, stop belly aching and GET INVOLVED!!
There is NORML, ASA, Christians For Cannabis--heck, just enter "cannabis RE legalization" in a search. You will find at least one group you like! If you are afraid the gov will put you on a list, (you probably are on a list any way for one thing or another) then find a group you like & send them some $. Fellow citizen, IT'S UP TO US!!!
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Although it can be very entertaining goading such types into conversations about pot and watching them froth and foam at the mouth in two minutes flat... just make they're off duty and unarmed first. "law enforcement" officials check their brains at the academy. Once they're programmed, they don't want to know from logic, reason or facts. To them we are their enemy and they are trained to use lethal force against us (especially against damnd libruls). If we want medical mary jane laws to stand up, we'll need to first force the paramilitaries, whom we pay to harrass us, to take early retirement... oh and revoke their right to vote on any medical weed laws. Bah! They're too reefer blind to listen to reason. Bwhahahaha!
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A note to Government big wigs: just leaglize the drugs and regulate them,tax them and let us do what we want with them and stay out of our lives...
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Posted by: backorbend on Aug 29, 2007 5:49 PM
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More and more coffeeshops are being closed due to new law and regulations. This re-enforces itself beause if you close one shop in a small town, the other hash-bars (pulp fiction) will take over their clientele. Restricting laws on coffeeshops are much harder and one by one the coffeeshops vanish.
Meanwhile the main square of town is guarded with camera's, policedogs and occasionally riotpolice so everyone can have a ' nice' saturdaynight on the town drinking as if their life didn't depend on it.
This is not about governments addopting laws to protect people from something bad and unhealthy. This is a very special plant. A Powerplant, mystical plant. Practical, versatile and spiritual.
My advice for those considering a relaxing trip to Amsterdam: Better hurry it is closing time
"Moncks brewed the first beer. God gave us marijuana. Who do you trust"
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Aug 29, 2007 6:58 PM
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btw, if a cop asks "wow, I can smell marijuana" (and yea, it's a question... that can put you in jail) just say "no".
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American facsists have reasoned that, by leading a holy crusade against weed, they can terrorize, with inprisonment and asset forfeiture, people they don't like, such as such as "liberals," people of color, and working people.
Republicans, as articulated by Newt Gringrich, have a deep resentment of the social revolution and upheaval of the sixties, and this pogrom against stoners is part of their revenge.
I have a deep shame of my generation - the boomers - for becoming "Reagan democrats." I hate you assholes, for selling freedom, privacy, and common sense down the river.
I blame my generation for paving, with their greed and stupidity, the road to the War on Drugs.
Remember, the first place you look for terorrists, is in the
mirror.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 30, 2007 4:16 AM
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Lets not redefine "War" because an idiot decides to coin a new use for an old shoe [flipflop]
from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=War
WAR (wôr)
n.
1.
a. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
b. The period of such conflict.
c. The techniques and procedures of war; military science.
2.
a. A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.
b. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious: the war against acid rain.
intr.v. warred, war·ring, wars
1. To wage or carry on warfare.
2. To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.
So.... just because a chimp in office and his brainless wonders decide to call a nut... a bolt... doesn't make the nut a bolt! [the nuts are dolts makes more sense]
Same thing with the Term WAR... it was always previously understood to be defined and understood as hostilities between Nation states and was an instrument of extreme diplomacy deployed by same!
Before Bush and his new vocabulary inundated us with his stupidity, you couldn't declare "WAR" on a Person, Idea or a Commodity... now look what just 7 years has done to common sense... Bush really is the most stupid and moronic individual ever to have occupied the most powerful seat in the world and he's still trying to bring upon Armageddon... and theirs still 16 months left in his presidency! SCARY!!!
What is happening is propaganda plain and simple, started under Regan and directly quoted from the master textbook of "Joseph Goebbels School of Brainwashing"
The "War on Drugs" is semantics being played by crooks trying to squeeze the maximum amount of profit out of a commonly used commodity... and wheres theirs a demand... their will always be those willing to supply the demand!
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO TAKE THE PROFITS AND MANPOWER AWAY FROM ORGANIZED CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS... THESE LAWS ARE A ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS... TIME TO END IT
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Posted by: freedom38 on Aug 30, 2007 7:11 AM
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If you don't want to be next, impeach Bush and his cronies!
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but created drunks and corrupt cops and gangsters.
no marihuana
makes USA looking stupido
creates stupid citizens creates terrorists all over the world
tobacco is not healthy, alcohol is not healthy, drugs are not healthy but how far are the authorities HONEST??????
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Campaign Against Marijuana Production
folks time for revolution
the signal will come
need to kill them all and start over as in 1776
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Posted by: Michael Boldin on Aug 29, 2007 1:10 AM
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It's based on the insidious notion that you do not have ownership over your own body. That you aren't able to make decisions about what you'll smoke, eat, drink, inhale, or ingest in anyway - and instead - the politicians own your body and will tell you can and cannot use their property.
There is little that should be more repulsive to the ideals of a free society than this cancer we call the "war on drugs"
Ending it will make this country more safe, more free and more prosperous.
That's my rant. Read on for more if you'd like:
"7 Ways to Make Your Neighborhood Safer" - click here
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Posted by: mizipi on Aug 29, 2007 1:31 AM
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We are the land of laws, more laws, ad nauseam......
Logic and common sense should be outlawed. That would be closer to reality.
I sure hope the wannabe patriots condemn this article. No better comedy can be found........
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The fact that the war on drugs is a worthless hunk of crap is secondary to this general rule. Utter failure means you need to change your tactics.
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» it applies to issues across the board...
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» in a word: disenfranchisement
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Posted by: frontiviki on Aug 29, 2007 3:16 AM
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People, u are under attack. And being the United States the rogue single power in the world all that is made to you it will eventually be made to everybody in the wester hemisphere. Being from Barcelona there is not much I can do to help. I just can support all of you that are fighting a government that is turning the former freedom land into a fascist state.
Incidently, all the "free" world depends upon what you can do about it.
Lots of Europeans are starting to hate America, but they dont stop and think that the America they hate is not the American people but its government. Furthermore, they dont understand that the fate of the world lies upon what real Americans can do about the American Neocon quagmire.
Long life to American people!
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 29, 2007 3:31 AM
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Bush wants Fifty Billion more to fight the war, and he’ll get it. That might get us through another month, but what if the war lasts for years? Will he force us to buy War Bonds?
“Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.”
Euripides.
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 29, 2007 4:15 AM
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we have freedom of use of drugs and real junks are considered as mental patients
But still we have drugfights, murders etc.
prostitution is legalized but still there is rape and womentrafficking still pimps beat girls. The only stupid thing is the word WAR!!!!
It is about money; big money and there is no tax for USA and no bribes for honest politicians as long as marihuana is not legalised.So the MARKET is the standard for good or bad.
If you steal a dollar you are a thief, if you destroy peoples life by giving them a loan they cannot pay back and they lose their house you are a good business man.
Unless people are understanding that life is beautifull and hapiness is of more importance than millions of dollars, mr Bush and mrs Hillary can control you.
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Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 29, 2007 4:34 AM
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There is a record opium crop in Afghanistan.
The terrorists are over there. Selling the opium. Purchasing weapons with the money.
Bush looks over here instead.
Business as usual: failed Presidential leadership.
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 29, 2007 4:58 AM
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Fear, and its exaggeration Terror, is a marvel-ous and miraculous experience which each of us undergoes in face of actual, contrived, manufactured or dis-placed circumstances. No matter what we say, it's EFFECTIVE and it will make us act by conscious or un-conscious behaviors. If MANY are acting the same way, this will COMFORT us, and we will BELIEVE we are in the "GOOD FIGHT". It's well understood and well studied in specialized senses by Psychologists, Therapists, Marketing Analysts, Advertisers, etc. Universalizing the accumulated knowledge and applying it onto our general social relations is POWER-FULL. We can Torture or we can Sell or we can Control. Ah, the VALUE of knowledge -- Profit and Power. The interests of a god are not only celestial, they have practical applications. We can declare War on just about any word we choose - for we are NOMINALISTS and aided immensely by the great import from France -- "Post-Modernism", suitably reduced and digested by our USA Academies and dressed in properly American clothes.
Fear of Fear. Fear of Terror. This is presented as a way, a means, a manner of confronting the actions of those who have concluded that THIS PARTICULAR LIFE, individual or not, has reached its zenith. What exactly brought them to that conclusion? Envy? Resentment? Powerlessness? Humiliation? Who knows, I guess. But the response of those humans like Bush is to Fear them -- the more are produced, the more to fear them. The fundamental premise being: We are not responsible; they just appeared from the head of Zeus upon this earth. Heroin is none of OUR doing, there's no profits to be made from such UTILITIES. Lets declare a War on these Zeus products, on those who have declared and concluded there is NO VALUE in living under conditions and in circumstances such as those IDEALISMS given form and content by English, French and German MIDDLE CLASS spokesmen. Ours is Comfort, theirs is Responsibility. Calvin knew it very well, as did Napoleon. Theirs was a War against those above. Bushes and Cheneys and Roves wage a War against those below. There is the difference and, as Shakespeare has been quoted to say, there is "the rub". Aye!
A drug-addicted ("dependent") human is one who will not resist. Drug-, Arms-, Pornography- and Religious- moneys are the most available and the least accountable resources to those Families and Aristocrats who set the conditions for our lives. Join them or fight them, simple as that. There is no "middle-ground". The War is on Metaphors. Question the Image.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Aug 29, 2007 5:33 AM
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how does this work in every day life???
Marriage = war on those I love
Sports = war on the other team
The "Other" team = terrorists ball players???
Sex = war on my partner who is a sexual terrorist???
Teacher = "knowledge terrorist" - and teaching must be war on knowledge or students!..
So "war on drugs"?.. How about drug eradication and education program..doesn't sound as powerful?
Drug growers = criminals?.. doesnt sound as powerful...TERRORISTS!!! .. now there is a powerful word!!
Can we call Bush and co. "political terrorists"??? and politics is nothing more than "war on the People" by a terrorist group known as politicians?
you know I think this insanity works???
Except when one starts to refer to another country standing military as terrorist.. Which they might be, but probably not. They follow orders like any military. But in Bushes mind he must feel it strikes a nerve with Americans. I'm afraid it doesn't. It begins to make me suspect of ones motives. Iran is no saint and is truly responsible for quite a bit of whats going on in Iraq, but we created the situation to allow that!
If we are to use extreme descriptives to convey the seriousness of a situation, maybe we have declared war on "common sense" as it relates to foreign policy dealings.
I'm all for the "war on drugs" and terrorism, what ever that is.. but lets call it like it is and not appear to try fooling anyone in word games
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Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 29, 2007 5:59 AM
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Think about why America was once great and what made us proud to be Americans, and then ask yourself how much of that still pertains today and if it is still a good deal considering the list of disadvantages above:
(1) Economic opportunity - highest standard of living, most upward mobility
(2) Personal freedom - constitutionally guaranteed
(3) Intellectual leadership - NASA, cancer cures, Silicon Valley
(4) Security - from domestic and foreign threats
(5) Moral leadership to the world - necessary humanitarian and military interventions
(6) Envy of the world
They're all gone now, as this marijuana issue suggests.
Oppression of ordinary citizens for marijuana is another good reason to leave this foundering culture. That, and the detention camps and border barriers that they have erected. That doesn't even take into consideration the loss of constitutional protections and the risk of becoming a political prisoner subject to torture. Or being called a terrorist supporter and having all of your property confiscated.
Oh, and not just the risk of being called a terrorist, but of being killed by one just for living in or near an American city. Some American city is highly likely to be nuked or anthraxed in retaliation for American policy, and tens of thousands will die for the pleasure of being an American.
Or the continuously falling standard of living for ordinary people, the erosion of the middle class and the instability of the economy due to outsourcing of jobs, deficit spending, eroding the social safety net, unstable oil prices, housing bubbles, stock market lability, retiring baby boomers, overextended personal credit, loss of bankruptcy safe harbors.
How about this dysfunctional culture with its absence of spirituality and utter lack of decent moral values? Nobody has any free time because they work too much. And Americans endure the hatred, snickering and the contempt of the world.
Even jingoist ditto-heads are beginning to be embarrassed. I just cant emphasize enough in words my contempt for what America has become and what it stands for, or the low quality of the people responsible – leaders and voters both (wolves and sheep) - and my unwillingness to be their neighbor..
Plus, your taxes are being used to : the neocon vision. Wouldn’t you like it if your taxes were being spent as Swiss or Romanian taxes are spent instead of funding the greatest criminal enterprises of all time as it burns Iraqi babies alive?
So, reasons to think about leaving the US (from the above) are:
(1) Increasing danger from domestic enemies – the government’s gulags
(2) Increasing danger from foreign enemies – inflamed terrorists
(3) Diminishing standard of living
(4) Increasing internal and external friction
American citizenship just isn't the great value that it once was given the losses in security, freedoms and prosperity not to mention the fear and hate of the world. America never had much to offer over other free nations apart from economic opportunity, and now that has dried up for everybody but celebrities, lottery winners and white-collar criminals.
Freest country in the world my pitoot! Canadians do everything Americans can plus much more: smoke pot without prison, marry if they're gay, and visit Cuba just to name a few. And America's wealth is not readily available to you, not unless you are already wealthy, willing to break the law, or a celebrity.
So, stay and be manipulated, threatened and lied to if you must or if you choose to. But please disabuse yourself of any notion of American superiority or greatness, or that Americans live better lives. That dream is over.
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But the arrival of this article makes more of a case for just that.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 29, 2007 6:13 AM
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There are all these drug idiocies... then look at the rhetoric on "eco-terrorism".. which, by the way, by and large does not kill people or animals. It only destroys property. But, of course, the Britts did the same thing during the Luddite rebellions... valued machines far above the lives of people because they simply would not toe the line industry wanted them to.
Its not a war on drugs. Its a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times. - Bill Hicks
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 29, 2007 6:16 AM
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Probably this word has another meaning in american english than in european english.
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Posted by: djnoll on Aug 29, 2007 6:17 AM
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The label "terrorist" is being so rampantly applied to anyone who disagrees with Bush at the same time it is used on defining real terrorists like Bin Laden that it no longer has the meaning it should. Now anyone who speaks up for peace or freedom is a terrorist. This makes them subject to arrest and detention under laws that are clearly unconstitutional and attacks on our freedoms.
In 1787 the term "federal" was meant to mean any action taken by a voluntary confederation of states for the good of all states. The Federalists co-oped the term to mean that a strong central government that would make decisions for all states was necessary to secure freedom and safety for the country, and was better able to decide what was best than the states and the citizens themselves. We are now seeing the final fruition of this elitist policy put forth by John Adams and Alexander Hamilton.
So, the child's taunt "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!" takes on a whole new meaning as well. Words are hurting this nation and they are hurting us as a people. But words, like WE THE PEOPLE, can heal this nation as well. It is time for the states to "secure for themselves" the freedom to make their laws enforceable; their people once again capable of the pursuit of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"; and to change the meaning of federal back to what it was before the 1787 Constitutional Convention. Ironically, it was the Anti-Federalists who better understood the word "federal" than those who claimed it as their own. It is time for the beliefs of Thomas Jefferson to take precedence over the current administration. It is time for a revolution, led by the people and supported by our military, to take back our nation. It is time for the states to become the leaders in our national policy and for the people to have an impact on policymaking again. It is time for an educated populace who find answers not in drugs or violence, but in helping each other to build a sustainable future and participating in their own governance, for better or worse.
Words will hurt a nation as surely as a child, but words can also heal a nation and unite it for the better. It is time to choose better words and better people to use them than those who are currently in control of this nation. Keep looking America, you might still need to look harder than the current crop of politicians for what this nation needs.
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Posted by: bryanth798 on Aug 29, 2007 6:21 AM
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These Likud-style polemics ("Terrorist!" "Terrorist enablers!!!") reflect the style of the folks who are calling the shots these days - illegal aliens (from Israel).
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Posted by: mrs whatsit on Aug 29, 2007 6:23 AM
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It's not an issue as to whether or not YOU consider marijuana to be a passive drug at this point. The issue is that it's still illegal and in spite of my outrage at the Homeland Security Big Brother Program, growers are setting themselves up for a fall at this point. There are larger humanity violations by Homeland Security than the arrest of intentional illegal drug users.
I personally don't care if someone uses pot. That's their business. Just quit bellyaching about how difficult it is to indulge in something illegal when you get caught. The rest of us are tired of hearing it. Fight for the ones who AREN'T doing anything wrong and being detained and held on false charges. When is this country going to wake up to reality?
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Posted by: dover23 on Aug 29, 2007 6:55 AM
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http://www.mapinc.org/newscfdp/v01/n087/a05.html?6793
In the Clinton years, police overreach in the name of the Drug War shredded much of what remained of the Bill of Rights. And those most frequently caught in its web were not the "drug kingpins" legislators claimed to be going after. Mothers, fathers, small-time dealers, medical-marijuana users and even children were caught in a criminal- justice system so overgrown no one is immune to the new powers Johnny Law uses to protect us from ourselves. And while much of the horror heaped on the American public has occurred at the state and local levels, the tenor of the times begins at the top-which places the responsibility squarely at Bill Clinton's feet.
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Posted by: sphoenix on Aug 29, 2007 7:06 AM
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While not everything that Hitler and his buddies did is relevant to our disintegrating situation in Amerika, there are so many parallels that keep popping up....I am almost thinking that Dick is using this book as a play book to create the kind of country that Adolf would be proud of.
The major difference I am seeing is that the power players have taken their time this time. Adolf was in a bit of a hurry and tended to overreact by killing everyone in his way. GWB is doing the same thing, but not as openly. Adolf surrounded himself with cutthroats, murderers, gangsters and other depraved individuals that would do anything they were asked because of a skewed sense of nationalism. Starting to sound familiar yet?
Adolf was elected...yes elected, and subsequently placed into power by a dying, senile, old general. Once he had the political power in his hands he rapidly set about changing the laws to suit himself...primarily by declaring a state of emergency and giving himself signature powers that removed the German Parliament from having a say in any state affairs. Eventually the German Parliament was simply eliminated. He even kicked around the idea of rewriting the German Constitution, but decided to scrap the entire thing instead. Sound familiar yet?
And then there was the collusion with the rich, the military, the banks, and big corporations...especially those corporations involved in manufacturing military hardware. As long as these entities were making gobs of money and were protected by the State...Hitler stayed in power and could do pretty much whatever he wanted. Are we seeing a pattern?
And the propaganda machine...State run media...OK we don't have that, exactly. What we have are the uber-rich corporations that run the media, being a voluntary mouthpiece for Bushco, cuz they are making gobs of money and are being protected by the State. It's the same only different...
And what propaganda we have seen...and it's not just from Bushco...this has been going on for so long that most Americans don't even know what has been done to them. It really started getting bad in the Nixon years and has become increasingly worse since then. Amerika is now a nation of brainwashed nationalistic lemmings who run shrieking any time the Great and Terrible OZ tells them that there is something to be scared of. "WAR ON _______." (Pick your adjective)
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 29, 2007 7:18 AM
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The big kick with this Administration is it's a 'Policestate Government'. Or as some might say, an Aggressor Nation. That being the case,we can not in any way shape or form have the People doing anything that might advance the Peace. Hemp does that nicely,Thank-you. It's also"TtHE MOST THERAPUTICALLY ACTIVE SUBSTANCE KNOWN TO MAN",that came from the DEA's own Law judge back in 1988. They know hemp is good safe medicine. They also know a bigger truth. Hemp smokers are more peaceful then folks that do other substances,such as alchohol. We need folks that will kill on command,hemo negates that. We need folks that will blindly follow orders,hemp frees your mind. We need willing sheep that can support any edict of the Government,hemp helps one question authority. When Bush's GrandPappy was a boy oil was'nt much. It was cheap to be involved in,so the Family hopped on the 'Greasy Train'. When it was discovered that oil could be made into many of the products hemp was,the stage was set for the bigshift away from fram products that had multiple uses to the new inexhaustable oil that was'nt prone to crop failure.
Hemp creates a more peaceful society. We want a Warrior Society. The trouble is mental midgets are running the show and they think a Warrior is someone who kills. They do,but it's the ultimately last thng you want to do. The first order is to aide the People by whatever is needed. If that be the right to grow,use,sell and transport an herb that has theraputic properties,SO BE IT.
It's time to Think Outside the System
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez.
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Posted by: wheresarah on Aug 29, 2007 7:28 AM
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The best definition that I can think of for "terrorist" is someone who intentionally acts to cause serious injury and/or death to many people at once by violent means.
I think this would go a long way to rightfully exclude environmentalists who damage SUVs, marijuana growers who harm no one, or even some of the violent drug dealers out there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending any kind of violence. What I'm saying is that the violent drug dealer can be charged otherwise. There is no need to use "terrorist" as a definition for this person.
If some extremist-environmentalist plans to blow up a building while it's known to be occupied, it seems that something along those lines should be considered a terrorist act. But if one or more of them spray paint some SUVs, come on people!! Terrorism? I think not.
Law enforcement and GWB himself should not be allowed to throw this word around so lightly. We need to do something about it.
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Posted by: sausage on Aug 29, 2007 8:08 AM
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He had just dropped off a take-out dinner and a birthday present for a mutual friend at one of the city's more notorious bars. My friend doesn't drink anymore because he just finished a year of interferon therapy.
When he left the tavern in question he got pulled over by one of our city's finest, ostensibly for running a red light. And here's where it gets interesting.
According to my friend the conversation from the arresting officer, after issuing a traffic citation, went something like this:"What were ya doing over at H______ (the bar in question)? Delivering pot? I smell pot. Wanna get out of the car, sir?"
Now I've ridden in that car on many occasions and if it smells like anything it's mildew and french fries. But by claiming to have smelled marijuana smoke the young, NeoStasi cop had, in the eyes of the law, probable cause to search my friend's car without a warrant. (BTW, folks, if you've never had the misfortune of facing criminal charges, remember this:Cops Lie.)
Look, my buddy's not claiming that he didn't have marijuana in his car, he just thinks that the arresting officer's first comment, after issuing the traffic citation, were rather curious. He faces misdemeanor charges of up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine, but he's not too worried about that because the judges here abouts usually hand down sentences of probation and a stint in a drug rehab program for first offenders.
Interestingly, we've just had a change in chiefs of police. And why is this interesting in light of this story?
It's always been my suspicion that there are elements within all municipal polices forces who do not want to see marijuana legalized. And, I feel, there are also elements within the rehabilitation industry who do not want to see marijuana legalized. Why? Because it threatens their livelihood.
My friend has just had the misfortune to fall into the clutches of both those groups.
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Posted by: picket on Aug 29, 2007 8:31 AM
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The terrorists took several Cannabis plants and the FEDS will now decide whether to prosecute him. Now this is in the 12th State, New Mexico, which on July 1st passed into law medical marijuana. The man is one of 38 people who had been certified by the State Health Department as being eligible for MMJ.
My adult children were getting a little weary of hearing their parents discuss such events BUT now they are telling us stories about life in our "terrorist free" rural community. During the one or two community celebrations the village employs LEO's from other communities as undercover agents. You can tell because when one is laughing with friends you can catch a really mean stare. You know happiness means drug use.....or when out innocently canoeing the Lake Police circle and stare...binoculars everywhere.
Oh well our children were sick of hearing us now we are listening to them.
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Posted by: alicelillie on Aug 29, 2007 8:51 AM
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Actually, I think it is 100% wrong, and harms everyone except greedy government officials, the alcohol industry and big pharma.
Cannibis is a totally harmless plant that has far more positive aspects than negative. Government is using it to increase the size and scope of government, and to line politician and bureaucrat pockets.
But what galls me the most is the fact that the plant has amazing medicinal uses but sick and dying patients whose doctor has recommended it have been stonewalled by government raids and byzantine regulations.
Cancer patient Steve Kubby is a prime example. Diagnosed with terminal adrenal cancer around 1975, he is still alive and healthy thanks to large amounts of marijuana. He had been examined repeatedly over time at University of Southern California medical center, where they found that the marijuana has saved his life. USC is not some fly-by-night front for people who just want to use. But the establishment simply refuses to admit that they are wrong, at least in the Kubby case.
Kubby went on to be instrumental in the success of California's Prop. 215.
I have to stop here and say that I was living there at the time and voted in favor of Prop. 215. By the time Nevada had a similiar measure on the ballot, I had moved there, so I can proudly proclaim that I voted in favor of medical marijuana in two states.
But this is about Steve. I met him at the Libertarian Party of California convention where they (not "we" since I was not living in CA) nominated him as their candidate for governor of CA.
I am proud to have traveled across state lines to work on his campaign.
Now, at present, Steve Kubby is running for the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination. I wholeheartedly support him. The main issue is medical marijuana and the saving of thousands of patients' lives and health.
Please go to Google and read up on Steve Kubby if you are at all interested in restoring *your* right to decide about your health care and your right to decide about your own life.
See my blog: http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 29, 2007 8:54 AM
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now ask why this Domestic Policy is being exported & jammed down everyone's throats.
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Posted by: vomeggido on Aug 29, 2007 9:32 AM
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ABBOTT LABORATORIES
MERCK
ELI LILLY & CO
GLAXCO,SMITH, KLINE
PFIZER
NOVARTIS
JOHNSON & JOHNSON
ROCHE
to name but a few. These multi-billion dollar conglomerates are the reason for the WAR ON DRUGS because they do not want any competition.
Its just this simple. The administration in Washington- Past, Present & Future depend on their campaign contributions. End of story.
The reason for people doing drugs either recreational or additively is because the need to escape a horrible reality:
A completely corrupt Justice system. A throughly deceptive government. A spiritually defunct and manipulative religious experience. There is more- but I believe I have made my point.
If the world was not so fucked up- and even a little more honest and kinder (our natural state of being regardless of what the mind propagandists will have you believe)- people would not have need to escape into a chemically enhanced state.
Our society is completely and totally insane. Drug use is curious- drug abuse is a spiritual problem- and calling in the police to deal with a spiritual problem is so insane it defies comprehension.
Its obvious- its happening- everyone knows it- yet it continues- and it continues to baffle people!!
This is so stupid and obvious its hilariously ridiculous.
If there is a God- It is highly likely that God is laughing his ass off, looking at humanity and saying something like- Geeze, I really fucked that one up!
Regardless of what you have been told- God is not coming back....
Would you?
PS- If they put all the drug dealers in jail- where will Bush and Cheney buy their meth?
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 29, 2007 10:09 AM
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I am sick of all the problems from alcohol and meth and all the horrid drugs that screwed up people use instead. Pot calms people down. All those other chemical drugs make them more violent. It is all about MONEY for the rich.
Our country is being run by a bunch of drunks-
Why are mothers not outraged about this???
We need to take to the streets and take back our country-
We have MADD-we need MAPP! -
Mothers against Pot Prohibition!
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Posted by: teaserpony999 on Aug 29, 2007 10:44 AM
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Posted by: Soco on Aug 29, 2007 9:28 AM
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Obesity
Drugs
Terror
Poverty
The moment we declare a war on anything we immediately start losing. Rome went around declaring wars and speaking of external threats and the need to strike. Rome destroyed itself long before it was sacked by creating it's enemies. Patricians and Nobility bleed the state dry and created an economic meltdown. Sound familiar?
What is it good for? Profiting the wealthy.
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 29, 2007 11:36 AM
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An American Addiction, a good lecture on Plan Colombia
The Mechanisms of Inequality, a good lecture on some of the motivations behind the domestic drug war
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Aug 29, 2007 11:57 AM
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and the fun doesnt stop there either...there will be more than enough petty offenders (and even non-offenders under the MCA) to create a gulag labour system.. which will depress wages and inflate profits across the board as the non-incarcerated population is forced to compete against gulag labour and accept the conditions of gulag labour to do so...
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 29, 2007 12:01 PM
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If we look at his actions we may find out whom we have to take it to. Everyone from Social Justice Advocates to Environmental groups to Hurricane Volunteer Relief groups to U.S. Attorneys and now pot smokers,arguably the most peaceful of the lot, are being or have been labled 'terrorist'.
Since one of the definitions of terror is the use of fear,I contend Bush himself is the Terrorist. I say he is responasible for all the unrest in the streets and the World and that as such he,George Bush,and his followers, have been,continue to be and will always be a 'Terrorist Enemy of the Constitution'. Now as an 'Enemy of the Constitution' he could be placed at Gitmo. We'll give him a cell,no toilet,no magazines,no fun. All he gets is a pot brownie and a looped music video of Dick Cheney cornhole-ing Tony Blair to 'Wish you were here'. Naw,that would still be too good for him. The pot brownie part. I'm sure he gets a little 'corn' from Dick all the time.
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Posted by: eddie torres on Aug 29, 2007 12:36 PM
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How many violent attacks does an organized foreign criminal operation need to conduct on US soil before it triggers a JTTF response? Or are terrrists on US soil classified according to their ability to threaten the Saudi royal family?
Why are Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) and Mara 18, two drug gangs originally formed in El Salvador's civil war, not considered Al Qaida equivalents?
"...the departments of Justice and Homeland Security have launched a series of initiatives to confront the threat posed by the gang, also known as MS-13, which has between 30,000 and 50,000 members in half a dozen countries, including up to 10,000 members in the US, according to federal law enforcement estimates." LA Times.
Those are DoJ and FBI "initiatives," not JTTF operations. But MS-13 organizes drug trafficking and makes US citizens' lives statistically more dangerous every day. And Al Qaida organizes drug trafficking and makes US citizens' lives statistically more dangerous every day.
Maybe it's just a selective interpretation of the use of "fear" to govern Americans:
Despite MS-13 being "...a gang linked to dozens of violent attacks in the Washington region in recent years," Charles County's leading gang Detective John Burroughs said "it's a bad gang, [but] they're not going to come hopping out of the bushes with machetes and attack your children."
So... now Al Qaida is training with machetes?
See also:
Charles Is Reassured On Gangs, Somewhat (Washington Post).
Mara Salvatrucha surfaces in Washington, D.C. region (Washington Post).
Murderous gangs turn urban El Salvador into battlefield (Financial Times).
Criminal gangs in the Americas: Out of the underworld (The Economist).
Gang Uses Deportation to Its Advantage to Flourish in US (LA Times).
LA Violence Crosses the Line (LA Times).
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 29, 2007 1:27 PM
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The majority of prisoners in the gigantic and very profitable US prison complex are there on non-violent drug charges.
Undercover drug cops are among the slimiest people in the United States - they are well-known for engaging in sexual relations with their targets, then pressuring them to bust others. The drug-related asset seizures flow back to the district attorney's office, who gets a cut. This is the source of most of the corruption in the US police forces today.
To get off the drug war, you have to overcome the entrenched financial interests that profit from it: the alcohol and tobacco lobbies, who don't want you to stop buying their products in favor of less harmful ones, the DEA and state and local police who enjoy drug war-related taxpayer funding as well as the benefits of asset seizure, and all the pharmaceutical corporations who'd rather see patients on Prozac, Adderall, Ritalin, Oxycontin, etc., instead of using cannabis for overcoming depression and physical pain.
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Posted by: SamFox on Aug 29, 2007 3:06 PM
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He would end the war on drugs & other stupid wars that benefit only a few. He'd get rid of the IRS & "Federal" Reserve. Give stolen State's rights back. He wants to let individual freedom be restored. (He has faith that most people will do the right thing without gov interference, so he wants to get the gov off the people's backs.) He wants to get the USA back to true Constitutional government. He is a freedom lover's wet dream. Check him out! He even wants no more undeclared wars! ronpaul2008.com. YouTube also has a lot of videos about Ron. About the only negative to many AlterNetters is that he is pro-life. But he would apply that to war as well. Besides, he has so many other stands on many issues that AlterNet readers will like...
Also check out Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
If we who advocate for the return of common sense & true Constitutional gov. don't get active, which includes voting & being informed, then we have no one to blame but our selves. Like was said above, stop belly aching and GET INVOLVED!!
There is NORML, ASA, Christians For Cannabis--heck, just enter "cannabis RE legalization" in a search. You will find at least one group you like! If you are afraid the gov will put you on a list, (you probably are on a list any way for one thing or another) then find a group you like & send them some $. Fellow citizen, IT'S UP TO US!!!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 29, 2007 4:11 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Aug 29, 2007 5:06 PM
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Although it can be very entertaining goading such types into conversations about pot and watching them froth and foam at the mouth in two minutes flat... just make they're off duty and unarmed first. "law enforcement" officials check their brains at the academy. Once they're programmed, they don't want to know from logic, reason or facts. To them we are their enemy and they are trained to use lethal force against us (especially against damnd libruls). If we want medical mary jane laws to stand up, we'll need to first force the paramilitaries, whom we pay to harrass us, to take early retirement... oh and revoke their right to vote on any medical weed laws. Bah! They're too reefer blind to listen to reason. Bwhahahaha!
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Posted by: Knobby on Aug 29, 2007 5:35 PM
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A note to Government big wigs: just leaglize the drugs and regulate them,tax them and let us do what we want with them and stay out of our lives...
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Posted by: backorbend on Aug 29, 2007 5:49 PM
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More and more coffeeshops are being closed due to new law and regulations. This re-enforces itself beause if you close one shop in a small town, the other hash-bars (pulp fiction) will take over their clientele. Restricting laws on coffeeshops are much harder and one by one the coffeeshops vanish.
Meanwhile the main square of town is guarded with camera's, policedogs and occasionally riotpolice so everyone can have a ' nice' saturdaynight on the town drinking as if their life didn't depend on it.
This is not about governments addopting laws to protect people from something bad and unhealthy. This is a very special plant. A Powerplant, mystical plant. Practical, versatile and spiritual.
My advice for those considering a relaxing trip to Amsterdam: Better hurry it is closing time
"Moncks brewed the first beer. God gave us marijuana. Who do you trust"
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Aug 29, 2007 6:58 PM
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btw, if a cop asks "wow, I can smell marijuana" (and yea, it's a question... that can put you in jail) just say "no".
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Posted by: Pat Kittle on Aug 29, 2007 7:40 PM
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» "Wrecking our forests" isn't terrorism? Not to you obviously.
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Posted by: lefKoast on Aug 29, 2007 8:54 PM
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American facsists have reasoned that, by leading a holy crusade against weed, they can terrorize, with inprisonment and asset forfeiture, people they don't like, such as such as "liberals," people of color, and working people.
Republicans, as articulated by Newt Gringrich, have a deep resentment of the social revolution and upheaval of the sixties, and this pogrom against stoners is part of their revenge.
I have a deep shame of my generation - the boomers - for becoming "Reagan democrats." I hate you assholes, for selling freedom, privacy, and common sense down the river.
I blame my generation for paving, with their greed and stupidity, the road to the War on Drugs.
Remember, the first place you look for terorrists, is in the
mirror.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 30, 2007 4:16 AM
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Lets not redefine "War" because an idiot decides to coin a new use for an old shoe [flipflop]
from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=War
WAR (wôr)
n.
1.
a. A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
b. The period of such conflict.
c. The techniques and procedures of war; military science.
2.
a. A condition of active antagonism or contention: a war of words; a price war.
b. A concerted effort or campaign to combat or put an end to something considered injurious: the war against acid rain.
intr.v. warred, war·ring, wars
1. To wage or carry on warfare.
2. To be in a state of hostility or rivalry; contend.
So.... just because a chimp in office and his brainless wonders decide to call a nut... a bolt... doesn't make the nut a bolt! [the nuts are dolts makes more sense]
Same thing with the Term WAR... it was always previously understood to be defined and understood as hostilities between Nation states and was an instrument of extreme diplomacy deployed by same!
Before Bush and his new vocabulary inundated us with his stupidity, you couldn't declare "WAR" on a Person, Idea or a Commodity... now look what just 7 years has done to common sense... Bush really is the most stupid and moronic individual ever to have occupied the most powerful seat in the world and he's still trying to bring upon Armageddon... and theirs still 16 months left in his presidency! SCARY!!!
What is happening is propaganda plain and simple, started under Regan and directly quoted from the master textbook of "Joseph Goebbels School of Brainwashing"
The "War on Drugs" is semantics being played by crooks trying to squeeze the maximum amount of profit out of a commonly used commodity... and wheres theirs a demand... their will always be those willing to supply the demand!
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE TO TAKE THE PROFITS AND MANPOWER AWAY FROM ORGANIZED CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS... THESE LAWS ARE A ROOT CAUSE OF OUR PROBLEMS... TIME TO END IT
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Posted by: freedom38 on Aug 30, 2007 7:11 AM
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If you don't want to be next, impeach Bush and his cronies!
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 30, 2007 8:00 AM
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but created drunks and corrupt cops and gangsters.
no marihuana
makes USA looking stupido
creates stupid citizens creates terrorists all over the world
tobacco is not healthy, alcohol is not healthy, drugs are not healthy but how far are the authorities HONEST??????
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Posted by: chillen on Aug 30, 2007 3:53 PM
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Posted by: senorpescado on Sep 2, 2007 11:41 AM
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Campaign Against Marijuana Production
folks time for revolution
the signal will come
need to kill them all and start over as in 1776
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