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Smoking Pot Won't Make You Crazy, But Dealing with the Lies about It Will
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According to the Associated Press and other news sources, a new study in the British medical journal The Lancet reports that smoking cannabis -- even occasionally -- can increase one's risk of becoming psychotic. It sounds alarming at first, but a closer look at the evidence reveals that there's less here than the headlines imply.
First, there is no new study. The paper published in The Lancet is a meta-analysis -- a summary of seven studies that previously appeared in other journals, including some that were published decades ago. Second, the touted association between cannabis and mental illness is small -- about the same size as the link between head injury and psychosis. Finally, despite what some new sources suggest, this association is hardly proof of a cause-and-effect relationship between cannabis and psychosis,
So why the sudden fuss?
Part of the answer is political. New British Prime Minister Gordon Brown longs to stiffen penalties against marijuana users. One way to justify this move involves convincing the public that The Lancet proved that puffing the weed will make you batty. Of course, that's not what the article says at all.
In fact, investigators actually reported that cannabis use was associated with a slight increase in psychotic outcomes. However, the authors emphasized (even if many in the media did not) that this small association does not reflect a causal relationship. Folks with psychoses use all intoxicants more often than other people do, including alcohol and tobacco.
Cannabis use can correlate with mental illness for many reasons. People often turn to cannabis to alleviate the symptoms of distress. A recent study performed in Germany showed that cannabis offsets certain cognitive declines in schizophrenic patients. Another study shows that psychotic symptoms predict later use of cannabis, suggesting that people might turn to the plant for help rather than become ill after use.
Perhaps the most impressive evidence against the cause-and-effect relationship concerns the unvarying rate of psychoses across different eras and different countries. People are no more likely to be psychotic in Canada or the United States (two nations where large percentages of citizens use cannabis) than they are in Sweden or Japan (where self-reported marijuana use is extremely low). Even after the enormous popularity of cannabis in the 1960s and 1970s, rates of psychotic disorders haven't increased.
Despite this evidence, we'd like to spread the word that cannabis is not for everybody. Teens should avoid the plant. Folks with a predisposition for mental illness should stay away, too. This potential for health risks in a few people, however, does not justify criminal prohibitions for everyone. (We wouldn't pass blanket prohibitions against alcohol simply to protect pregnant women, for example.) The underground market does an extremely poor job of keeping marijuana out of the hands of teens and others who should stay away from it. A regulated market could better educate users to potential risks and prohibit sales to young people.
Consequently, the review in The Lancet suggests that if cannabis really does alter risk for mental illness, we can't leave control of sales to folks who are willing to break the law. Instead, a taxed, regulated, age-restricted market is our best chance to keep any negative consequences of marijuana under control.
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Posted by: sapatatanka on Aug 13, 2007 12:19 AM
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Just when did this election take place? In secret? Without public participation? The last time I checked (yesterday) the British were still ruled by the Labor party - and yes, we can discuss its ideological orientation.
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Posted by: cordas on Aug 13, 2007 12:39 AM
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The rest of the article ain't that hot, I have seen a number of more grown up news items both on the TV and in outher news media that have drawn attention to the fact that even though "skunk" (which the tabloid news has jumped on) is more widely available than ever the numbers of people suffering mental health issues related to drugs hasn't increased.
The reason all this has happened is because a year and a half ago (or there abouts) Canabis got downgraded from a class B drug to a class c drug. Making it legal to posses small amounts for personal use, whilst keeping it illegal to sell (many perscription drugs are class c) oh and they increased the sentances for dealing canabis to the same as dealing class A drugs. Yeah that makes as little sense as is humanly possible. The only reaon most people think this was done was to create such a mess that the goverment could then tighten the laws to far in excess of the previous state when things went to pot. However as it made no difference they are having to find new reasons to tighten the laws again....
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Posted by: EKSwitaj on Aug 13, 2007 4:09 AM
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 13, 2007 4:18 AM
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By the way, even a few conservatives are standing up to this IDIOTIC PRO-TERRORIST creating War on Drugs. Take this info I gave and GUN down your Congressfolk/Senator and force them to allow Cannibas to be legal and have its say in the market unless you want more DUNGEONS of DOOM and a FASCIST/NAZI America if Dupont, Randolph Hearst, "Citizen Kane", and those German NAZI supporters weren't enough to FUCK the USA to its near dying status today.
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» solrev, exactly. The social cons and business elites purposely tied pot and hemp as the same.
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 13, 2007 5:16 AM
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weedgrowingfor personal use is allowed.
Yearly the mental hospitals receive patientswith"cannabis psychosis"
This is a combination of years of daily smoking and alcohol drinking and as TRIGGER mechanisme a suddenly heavy stress.
The patient becomes violent, wants to fight, starts screaming and cannot remember anything when he is recovered.
My own son in law was a patient.
The sale of marihuana in Holland is from coffeeshop because the combination of alco hol and weed is not allowed bylaw.
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Posted by: ollie on Aug 13, 2007 5:52 AM
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Secondly, I recently noticed this trend as well.
Most pointedly, the cannabis card is played alot in the moment.
Do a search for 'Leticia Wright' on news.google.co.uk and there is a series of articles about a couple that murdered their child. The guy is touted as a 'cannabis' addict etc etc
I have my own ideas as to why this is a favoured tactic for the PTB in the moment
- We have an aging population, alot of pensioners with voting rights. Looking at the estimates for cannabis experimentation for younger people and the estimates lie around 30-60% depending on who you believe. The stats are very different for the older generation who see this as good policy.
- Environmental, Social and other factors are causing an increase in mental illness. Depression and Insomnia are very widespread in the UK for example. This is a good scapegoat
- Drug use has traditionally been a rallying point for many of the counter culture. Not that everyone does it, but it is quite widespread. It's one way of arresting people who have done otherwise nothing wrong as well as stopping any access to anything that might break the social conditioning.
At the end of the day, when we allow tobacco, alkohol and subscription meds, banning cannabis (or most drugs) is ridiculous.
Quite a few of the politicans in the UK have admitted to having tried it (funny how 4 years of usage are reduced to 'experimenting'), and I know alot of people who use it recreationally responsibly.
On the one hand we are expected to decide getting ourselves into debt for the rest of our lives, but are supposedly too stupid to make other choices (choices that don't generate GDP of course).
The reasons for anti-drug laws are legion, from misinformation to political.
The fact that in many cases the so-called criminal 'addicts' were criminal to begin with is seldom mentioned. It's like assuming that human sacrifice makes the sun come up every morning. Untill you stop, you won't know for sure ;)
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Posted by: reval on Aug 13, 2007 5:54 AM
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"Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications."
HERE's the original article.
Is that sufficient?
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Posted by: ld7440 on Aug 13, 2007 6:01 AM
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As a counselor, I agree that chronic abuse of marijuana indicates a deeper problem. But noone is willing to pay to address that, either, so who are these guys trying to impress? In this country, the Rockefeller laws have done nothing to curb the tide of drug use (or sale) in the U.S. Can politicians get off their high horses and deal with the real problems out there today?
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Posted by: jmooney on Aug 13, 2007 6:44 AM
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Aug 13, 2007 7:05 AM
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Interestingly, when looking at the 'small print' supplied in the box, it said that you should avoid marijuana because you could have a 'psychotic episode'.
Mother Nature's drugs are much better.
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Posted by: kenhymes on Aug 13, 2007 7:39 AM
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This kind of willful distraction from a confounding variable is rampant, particularly in studies of marginal, "labeled" or disadvantaged populations. Poorly performing public schools, poverty-stricken neighborhoods, minority populations: "pathologies" are invented, "disorders" are named, and the motive is transparently political or financial. If a cause can be dreamed up and named that gets the existing socio-economic order off the hook for a problem, or serves the interest of an entrenched industry, then studies are created specifically to support the asserted "cause" of a problem, or to posit a new problem altogether that changes the subject.
This is the opposite of science. It is complex obfuscation in the service of powerful interests, designed to get all of us to ignore the evidence of our own social experience, and the gut-check of our own ethical values.
It is widely understood and accepted in society that pot is usually innocuous, and that those who have severe problems with it (stealing, deception, continual crises and lack of progress in key life areas) are also laboring under other important debilitating conditions: abuse trauma, bad family relationships, lack of good available choices for advancement, any number of possibilities. This is in contrast to drugs such as cocaine and alcohol, whose addictive power is evident, and whose inherent destructive power is observed in the lives of people we know.
The goal of studies such as the one we are discussing is to pull us away from this broad understanding, in order to shore up support for the project of the pharmaceutical companies and of some in the psycho-therapeutic professsions: to bring all problems under their umbrella, and to stigmatize any mind-altering experience that is available without a prescription. This also includes any spiritual experience that is not denominationally tamed and boxed.
It is not in the interest of the socioeconomic order for us to have any significant life experience that can't be metered and billed, or whose results are unpredictable (better predictable death than unpredictable life). The drug panic over cannabis and other psycho-active drugs (in stark contrast to the indifference to damage caused by smoking and alcohol, which are highly profitable and not in any significant degree threatening to "normal" wage-earning and consumption behavior) is just one aspect of the social order asserting itself over our choices.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 13, 2007 8:01 AM
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Can I have the Right to Live as I choose?
I thought I got that by living in Canada, the CommonWealth or North America...
...not if people fill the heads of my neighbours & cops with false information.
...not if people in my City are told *lies* that only protect BigPharma... & justify their ambient social anxiety that mainstream media pumps into our culture...
...about 'furriners'
...landed immigrant terrorists
...'home grown terrorists'
...about the domestic poverty stricken
TERROR! be alert for people with Bad Attitudes!
who can make SOUND decisions or attitudes if all they are told is SPIN?
Against whom do people aggress when they have no focus to direct their well-stoked ambient fears?
pot smokers? dogs in the park?
omg.
THINK about what we are calling DANGEROUS these days.
We're *turning on our neighbours* because they don't live the way we might.
Why?
because MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIES TO YOU & ratchets up the ambient anxiety, the FEAR, the lingering sense of "I GOTTA DEFEND MYSELF".
THAT is the REAL TERRORISM: when we objectify our neighbours or the citizens on the Beat.
THAT is the real tragedy: when we see "POT SMOKERS" as a group that needs to be CORRECTED to the Will of the Corporation
with what? BigPharma drugs? or alcohol or marathon running?
FrankenFood addictions?
maybe some prison time?
"The Right to Be Left Alone" wasn't that why PEOPLE LEFT wherever they were... to come to NORTH AMERICA... to be LEFT ALONE to live as they choose?
Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!
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Posted by: vkobaya on Aug 13, 2007 8:20 AM
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Posted by: collery on Aug 13, 2007 8:32 AM
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But the British don't like regulation. It means they can't be 'competitive'. That's what they say, anyhow.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 13, 2007 8:54 AM
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Read the study. not the MEDIA's helpful interpretations & distilled (punny!) versions for public consumption.
you're ignorant of the actual CONTENT & its meaning.
Correlated: which came first? the crazy or the pot?
Causal: one CREATES the conditions which lead to the expression of the other event...
the fact is: who is to SAY that BigPharma drugs are THE ONLY answer?
...well, the ONLY voices that apparently COUNT are the ones paid for by... BigPharma.
go figure, eh? wonder where the laws originate? well, from the politicians who take FUNDING from... BigPharma.
what are the odds that there is a CAUSALITY more directly demonstrated THERE than between POT & PSYCHOSIS?
POT LAWS STEAL PROGRESSIVE VOTES.
& do a great job of stoking the industrial prison industry coffers.
wake up, you're pandering propaganda... to make OTHERS rich... & keep progressives from VOTING on YOUR best interests.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 13, 2007 9:20 AM
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OK,great Hemp did a lot,oil did too. The only thing oil was'nt good at was being a medicine. Hemp came in several varieties
made by several Pharmacutical Companies. Why. It was safe!
The 20's saw 'The Womens temperance league' get drunk abusive husbands ordered,by a judge, onto 'hashish threapy',because it made them pacified.
The DEA's own law judge declared Hemp to be' the safest most theraputically active substance known to man'.
Why can't we at least 'grow our own', like you can with alchohol,one of the deadliest substances know to man?
The Govt needs violent,aggressive people to create fear,fear at home,abroad,and between itself and the controled.
Hemp causes people to think,act more peacefully,be more healthy. The last thing this Govt wants is a country of Freethinking,Healthy, Peaceful,Citizens!! They want war.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez...Think Outside the System
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Posted by: FDPN on Aug 13, 2007 10:38 AM
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The worst part is when these pot heads try to get off their drugs and go get a job/life. Typically they have to replace their addiction to marijuana with an addiction to someone else just as ridiculous - God/religion. Oh that's a lot of fun. Listening to someone who wasted 5 years of their life in a drug induced haze preach to you about religion.
You druggies need to stop running from reality, face your problems, and do it all without turning to that opiate of the masses - religion.
Good luck, but I don't see it happening for most of you.
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Posted by: picket on Aug 13, 2007 11:07 AM
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Schizophrenia, a psychosis of young people has an average onset of 18 years in males and 25 in females. This is often an age when high school or college experimentation takes place in the life of our young citizens and they may be away from the care of the parents when the symptoms become clear. Cannabis does not cure the illness but parents are not always prepared to seek immediate psychiatric care or admit to mental illness in the family so they may blame the obvious symptoms on Cannabis. The medical professions may not really advise otherwise.
While schizophrenia usually happens in 1 in 10,000 young people and they may be trying to relieve their symptoms on their own, BIG PHARMA is needed.
In the case of a Neurosis , which is SO common in our society and ALL our families, a symptom like simple anxiety or sleeplessness could be alleviated instantly by Cannabis. Citizens tend to go instead to the legal drug alcohol which is a BAD choice and makes problems worse.
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Posted by: Crazy H on Aug 13, 2007 12:39 PM
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Posted by: fanny666 on Aug 13, 2007 1:00 PM
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That's the key to separating the pot science from the pot propaganda.
An example of correlation vs. causation: New Mexico and Arizona have the highest rates of lung disease in the country. Does that mean that the air there is extremely polluted? No, the opposite. The air is clean and dry, and so people with lung disease move there so they can breathe easier.
Just because two stats are correlated, does not mean that one variable causes the other one.
Just because mentally ill people smoke pot does not mean that pot makes people mentally ill. That has never been shown.
Incidentally, I am not saying that marijuana helps to ease psychotic symptoms in schizophrenics. In fact, that has never been shown either. What has been shown is that schizophrenics LIKE to smoke pot, even though it can exacerbate their psychotic symptoms.
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Posted by: kelt65 on Aug 13, 2007 4:23 PM
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Marijuana has enabled me to get through some pretty difficult times in my life.
The only things that will happen if marijuana is fully legal is a decrease in violent crime, a decrease in spousal abuse, and perhaps a some more people being late to work sometimes.
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Posted by: sapatatanka on Aug 13, 2007 12:19 AM
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Just when did this election take place? In secret? Without public participation? The last time I checked (yesterday) the British were still ruled by the Labor party - and yes, we can discuss its ideological orientation.
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Posted by: cordas on Aug 13, 2007 12:39 AM
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The rest of the article ain't that hot, I have seen a number of more grown up news items both on the TV and in outher news media that have drawn attention to the fact that even though "skunk" (which the tabloid news has jumped on) is more widely available than ever the numbers of people suffering mental health issues related to drugs hasn't increased.
The reason all this has happened is because a year and a half ago (or there abouts) Canabis got downgraded from a class B drug to a class c drug. Making it legal to posses small amounts for personal use, whilst keeping it illegal to sell (many perscription drugs are class c) oh and they increased the sentances for dealing canabis to the same as dealing class A drugs. Yeah that makes as little sense as is humanly possible. The only reaon most people think this was done was to create such a mess that the goverment could then tighten the laws to far in excess of the previous state when things went to pot. However as it made no difference they are having to find new reasons to tighten the laws again....
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Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 13, 2007 4:18 AM
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By the way, even a few conservatives are standing up to this IDIOTIC PRO-TERRORIST creating War on Drugs. Take this info I gave and GUN down your Congressfolk/Senator and force them to allow Cannibas to be legal and have its say in the market unless you want more DUNGEONS of DOOM and a FASCIST/NAZI America if Dupont, Randolph Hearst, "Citizen Kane", and those German NAZI supporters weren't enough to FUCK the USA to its near dying status today.
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» Oh, sober up, tone it down and stop embarassing the rest of us.
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» WRONG. Hemp does not equal Marijuana but the Social Cons and Business Elites FUDGED it so.
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» solrev, exactly. The social cons and business elites purposely tied pot and hemp as the same.
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Posted by: richholland on Aug 13, 2007 5:16 AM
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weedgrowingfor personal use is allowed.
Yearly the mental hospitals receive patientswith"cannabis psychosis"
This is a combination of years of daily smoking and alcohol drinking and as TRIGGER mechanisme a suddenly heavy stress.
The patient becomes violent, wants to fight, starts screaming and cannot remember anything when he is recovered.
My own son in law was a patient.
The sale of marihuana in Holland is from coffeeshop because the combination of alco hol and weed is not allowed bylaw.
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Posted by: ollie on Aug 13, 2007 5:52 AM
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Secondly, I recently noticed this trend as well.
Most pointedly, the cannabis card is played alot in the moment.
Do a search for 'Leticia Wright' on news.google.co.uk and there is a series of articles about a couple that murdered their child. The guy is touted as a 'cannabis' addict etc etc
I have my own ideas as to why this is a favoured tactic for the PTB in the moment
- We have an aging population, alot of pensioners with voting rights. Looking at the estimates for cannabis experimentation for younger people and the estimates lie around 30-60% depending on who you believe. The stats are very different for the older generation who see this as good policy.
- Environmental, Social and other factors are causing an increase in mental illness. Depression and Insomnia are very widespread in the UK for example. This is a good scapegoat
- Drug use has traditionally been a rallying point for many of the counter culture. Not that everyone does it, but it is quite widespread. It's one way of arresting people who have done otherwise nothing wrong as well as stopping any access to anything that might break the social conditioning.
At the end of the day, when we allow tobacco, alkohol and subscription meds, banning cannabis (or most drugs) is ridiculous.
Quite a few of the politicans in the UK have admitted to having tried it (funny how 4 years of usage are reduced to 'experimenting'), and I know alot of people who use it recreationally responsibly.
On the one hand we are expected to decide getting ourselves into debt for the rest of our lives, but are supposedly too stupid to make other choices (choices that don't generate GDP of course).
The reasons for anti-drug laws are legion, from misinformation to political.
The fact that in many cases the so-called criminal 'addicts' were criminal to begin with is seldom mentioned. It's like assuming that human sacrifice makes the sun come up every morning. Untill you stop, you won't know for sure ;)
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"Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications."
HERE's the original article.
Is that sufficient?
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As a counselor, I agree that chronic abuse of marijuana indicates a deeper problem. But noone is willing to pay to address that, either, so who are these guys trying to impress? In this country, the Rockefeller laws have done nothing to curb the tide of drug use (or sale) in the U.S. Can politicians get off their high horses and deal with the real problems out there today?
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Interestingly, when looking at the 'small print' supplied in the box, it said that you should avoid marijuana because you could have a 'psychotic episode'.
Mother Nature's drugs are much better.
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This kind of willful distraction from a confounding variable is rampant, particularly in studies of marginal, "labeled" or disadvantaged populations. Poorly performing public schools, poverty-stricken neighborhoods, minority populations: "pathologies" are invented, "disorders" are named, and the motive is transparently political or financial. If a cause can be dreamed up and named that gets the existing socio-economic order off the hook for a problem, or serves the interest of an entrenched industry, then studies are created specifically to support the asserted "cause" of a problem, or to posit a new problem altogether that changes the subject.
This is the opposite of science. It is complex obfuscation in the service of powerful interests, designed to get all of us to ignore the evidence of our own social experience, and the gut-check of our own ethical values.
It is widely understood and accepted in society that pot is usually innocuous, and that those who have severe problems with it (stealing, deception, continual crises and lack of progress in key life areas) are also laboring under other important debilitating conditions: abuse trauma, bad family relationships, lack of good available choices for advancement, any number of possibilities. This is in contrast to drugs such as cocaine and alcohol, whose addictive power is evident, and whose inherent destructive power is observed in the lives of people we know.
The goal of studies such as the one we are discussing is to pull us away from this broad understanding, in order to shore up support for the project of the pharmaceutical companies and of some in the psycho-therapeutic professsions: to bring all problems under their umbrella, and to stigmatize any mind-altering experience that is available without a prescription. This also includes any spiritual experience that is not denominationally tamed and boxed.
It is not in the interest of the socioeconomic order for us to have any significant life experience that can't be metered and billed, or whose results are unpredictable (better predictable death than unpredictable life). The drug panic over cannabis and other psycho-active drugs (in stark contrast to the indifference to damage caused by smoking and alcohol, which are highly profitable and not in any significant degree threatening to "normal" wage-earning and consumption behavior) is just one aspect of the social order asserting itself over our choices.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Aug 13, 2007 8:01 AM
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Can I have the Right to Live as I choose?
I thought I got that by living in Canada, the CommonWealth or North America...
...not if people fill the heads of my neighbours & cops with false information.
...not if people in my City are told *lies* that only protect BigPharma... & justify their ambient social anxiety that mainstream media pumps into our culture...
...about 'furriners'
...landed immigrant terrorists
...'home grown terrorists'
...about the domestic poverty stricken
TERROR! be alert for people with Bad Attitudes!
who can make SOUND decisions or attitudes if all they are told is SPIN?
Against whom do people aggress when they have no focus to direct their well-stoked ambient fears?
pot smokers? dogs in the park?
omg.
THINK about what we are calling DANGEROUS these days.
We're *turning on our neighbours* because they don't live the way we might.
Why?
because MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIES TO YOU & ratchets up the ambient anxiety, the FEAR, the lingering sense of "I GOTTA DEFEND MYSELF".
THAT is the REAL TERRORISM: when we objectify our neighbours or the citizens on the Beat.
THAT is the real tragedy: when we see "POT SMOKERS" as a group that needs to be CORRECTED to the Will of the Corporation
with what? BigPharma drugs? or alcohol or marathon running?
FrankenFood addictions?
maybe some prison time?
"The Right to Be Left Alone" wasn't that why PEOPLE LEFT wherever they were... to come to NORTH AMERICA... to be LEFT ALONE to live as they choose?
Spread Love...
... but wear the Glove!
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But the British don't like regulation. It means they can't be 'competitive'. That's what they say, anyhow.
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Read the study. not the MEDIA's helpful interpretations & distilled (punny!) versions for public consumption.
you're ignorant of the actual CONTENT & its meaning.
Correlated: which came first? the crazy or the pot?
Causal: one CREATES the conditions which lead to the expression of the other event...
the fact is: who is to SAY that BigPharma drugs are THE ONLY answer?
...well, the ONLY voices that apparently COUNT are the ones paid for by... BigPharma.
go figure, eh? wonder where the laws originate? well, from the politicians who take FUNDING from... BigPharma.
what are the odds that there is a CAUSALITY more directly demonstrated THERE than between POT & PSYCHOSIS?
POT LAWS STEAL PROGRESSIVE VOTES.
& do a great job of stoking the industrial prison industry coffers.
wake up, you're pandering propaganda... to make OTHERS rich... & keep progressives from VOTING on YOUR best interests.
Spread Love...
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OK,great Hemp did a lot,oil did too. The only thing oil was'nt good at was being a medicine. Hemp came in several varieties
made by several Pharmacutical Companies. Why. It was safe!
The 20's saw 'The Womens temperance league' get drunk abusive husbands ordered,by a judge, onto 'hashish threapy',because it made them pacified.
The DEA's own law judge declared Hemp to be' the safest most theraputically active substance known to man'.
Why can't we at least 'grow our own', like you can with alchohol,one of the deadliest substances know to man?
The Govt needs violent,aggressive people to create fear,fear at home,abroad,and between itself and the controled.
Hemp causes people to think,act more peacefully,be more healthy. The last thing this Govt wants is a country of Freethinking,Healthy, Peaceful,Citizens!! They want war.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez...Think Outside the System
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The worst part is when these pot heads try to get off their drugs and go get a job/life. Typically they have to replace their addiction to marijuana with an addiction to someone else just as ridiculous - God/religion. Oh that's a lot of fun. Listening to someone who wasted 5 years of their life in a drug induced haze preach to you about religion.
You druggies need to stop running from reality, face your problems, and do it all without turning to that opiate of the masses - religion.
Good luck, but I don't see it happening for most of you.
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Schizophrenia, a psychosis of young people has an average onset of 18 years in males and 25 in females. This is often an age when high school or college experimentation takes place in the life of our young citizens and they may be away from the care of the parents when the symptoms become clear. Cannabis does not cure the illness but parents are not always prepared to seek immediate psychiatric care or admit to mental illness in the family so they may blame the obvious symptoms on Cannabis. The medical professions may not really advise otherwise.
While schizophrenia usually happens in 1 in 10,000 young people and they may be trying to relieve their symptoms on their own, BIG PHARMA is needed.
In the case of a Neurosis , which is SO common in our society and ALL our families, a symptom like simple anxiety or sleeplessness could be alleviated instantly by Cannabis. Citizens tend to go instead to the legal drug alcohol which is a BAD choice and makes problems worse.
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That's the key to separating the pot science from the pot propaganda.
An example of correlation vs. causation: New Mexico and Arizona have the highest rates of lung disease in the country. Does that mean that the air there is extremely polluted? No, the opposite. The air is clean and dry, and so people with lung disease move there so they can breathe easier.
Just because two stats are correlated, does not mean that one variable causes the other one.
Just because mentally ill people smoke pot does not mean that pot makes people mentally ill. That has never been shown.
Incidentally, I am not saying that marijuana helps to ease psychotic symptoms in schizophrenics. In fact, that has never been shown either. What has been shown is that schizophrenics LIKE to smoke pot, even though it can exacerbate their psychotic symptoms.
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Marijuana has enabled me to get through some pretty difficult times in my life.
The only things that will happen if marijuana is fully legal is a decrease in violent crime, a decrease in spousal abuse, and perhaps a some more people being late to work sometimes.
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